Rebel News Podcast - British soldier fired for standing next to Tommy Robinson

00:00:00.000 Tonight, imagine being fired for standing next to someone and smiling.

00:00:04.520 That just happened to a soldier from the British Army.

00:00:07.640 It's October 10, and you're watching The Ezra Levant Show.

00:00:15.980 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:19.780 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:23.520 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.

00:00:26.500 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my

00:00:31.520 bloody right to do so.

00:00:37.140 How bad is deplatforming these days?

00:00:40.680 You know what I mean?

00:00:41.640 Leftists getting you kicked off of Facebook for having the wrong ideas, getting speakers

00:00:45.680 banned from conferences, getting people fired from jobs, even riots like this one to stop

00:00:51.040 a Republican speaker at University of California, Berkeley.

00:00:54.540 Formerly the most free speech-oriented place in the world, really, now a place where they

00:00:59.460 riot, deplatforming, taking away the platform.

00:01:02.620 It happens all the time.

00:01:03.800 It's the chief tactic of the left over the past few years.

00:01:07.960 It's easier for them to scream at people or even punch people rather than to persuade people.

00:01:12.680 That would require knowledge and facts and arguments.

00:01:15.860 And actually, a big part of debating is listening when you think about it.

00:01:18.820 And the left doesn't do that these days.

00:01:22.640 And the screaming and the threats have a strategic effect, too.

00:01:27.260 It not only damages the person it aims at right then and there, but it scares everyone else,

00:01:33.700 either into submission or into actually joining with the mob.

00:01:37.620 That's how it works when the media calls up conservative politicians to demand they disavow

00:01:43.240 someone.

00:01:43.960 It's really a way for the media to control politicians. 0.95

00:01:46.000 We've seen that even here in Canada.

00:01:47.740 When the state broadcaster asks conservatives about us here at The Rebel, it's not a real question.

00:01:53.180 No one who watches the CBC cares about that.

00:01:56.300 It's the CBC's own way of saying, hey, Mr. Conservative politician, are you a real right-winger?

00:02:02.620 Or are you a gentle, CBC-friendly conservative?

00:02:05.480 This is the litmus test.

00:02:06.760 And if you don't answer me right, we're going to call you racist.

00:02:09.300 That's Wendy Mesley's signature move. 1.00

00:02:11.840 It's Paul Wells' signature move.

00:02:13.920 It worked on Andrew Scheer and Jason Kenney.

00:02:15.700 It didn't work on Maxime Bernier.

00:02:17.600 Remember this?

00:02:18.660 Rebel Media, for example, does seem to be fond of you.

00:02:22.220 It's been accused, of course, of being supportive of white supremacist views.

00:02:25.980 Ezra Levant, they have a million subscribers on YouTube, 150,000 followers on Facebook.

00:02:34.440 Do you want his support?

00:02:36.620 Do you want his audience?

00:02:40.060 That's deplatforming, isn't it?

00:02:41.860 That's marginalizing.

00:02:42.920 Well, here is a deplatforming story of the likes I have never seen before.

00:02:47.520 And it regards our former U.K. reporter, Tommy Robinson.

00:02:51.240 Tommy was just pulled over.

00:02:52.320 He had just pulled over.

00:02:53.300 He was driving on the highway.

00:02:54.840 He just pulled over at a highway rest stop.

00:02:56.480 You know, it's got the gas station and some fast food restaurants.

00:02:59.320 Just pulled over at the same time as four busloads of young British soldiers did, too.

00:03:05.200 Now, Tommy's a fairly well-known figure in the U.K. now, and he loves the military.

00:03:10.860 It's actually what got him involved in activism in the first place.

00:03:13.820 He saw British soldiers coming back from Afghanistan, and they were being treated with gross disrespect by Muslim extremists in the U.K.

00:03:21.200 And even after Tommy started doing reporting for us, he loved the troops.

00:03:26.040 Remember when we crowdfunded this high-tech wheelchair for a veteran who had been overlooked by the Ministry of Defense over there?

00:03:32.320 And remember, we helped this Navy vet, Chris Eade was his name, get a proper pension.

00:03:38.420 So Tommy loves the troops.

00:03:39.640 That's what he does.

00:03:40.560 He just does all these little projects.

00:03:42.860 And the troops love Tommy in return.

00:03:44.640 So this is how it went at the truck stop on the highway in the United Kingdom.

00:03:50.160 The most honourable morning I've ever had, anyway.

00:03:52.140 So no big deal.

00:04:07.780 Friendly selfies.

00:04:09.020 No politics were discussed, really.

00:04:10.540 These were just young lads.

00:04:12.280 Junior soldiers, I don't know if that's the phrase.

00:04:14.020 I think they're more than cadets.

00:04:15.400 They're just young soldiers.

00:04:16.760 Probably most of them in their late teens.

00:04:18.600 So they wouldn't even probably even have a deep knowledge of Tommy's whole political career dating back a decade.

00:04:24.760 I bet they know him more from our YouTube videos and from his Facebook page.

00:04:28.440 Something he's only really been doing in earnest for a couple of years.

00:04:33.060 So Tommy's a citizen journalist who loves soldiers and stands for British values as opposed to Sharia values. 0.94

00:04:39.420 That sounds good to me.

00:04:40.220 Sounds good to those soldiers.

00:04:41.620 Of course they want to selfie with him because Tommy's like them.

00:04:44.480 He comes from a patriotic British working class background.

00:04:46.780 Tommy stands up for the forgotten Britain, what in America would be called flyover country or the rust belt.

00:04:53.420 You know, people who the British singer Morrissey would sadly call nobody's nothings in the eyes of the fancy people.

00:04:59.940 So yeah, these working class Brits love the last vocal patriot in the British public swear.

00:05:05.980 And so as surely as day follows night, people who don't like Tommy Robinson and don't like the military and don't like working class Brits, well, they freaked out.

00:05:17.540 But about what did they freak out?

00:05:20.420 Did these troops say something political?

00:05:23.400 Did they do something political?

00:05:25.620 Did they endorse a candidate in an election?

00:05:28.040 I mean, just brainstorming here.

00:05:29.580 Or did they, oh, I don't know, stand next to the flag of a banned terrorist group called Hezbollah and give an approving speech?

00:05:38.140 No, no, that would be Jeremy Corbyn, the head of the Labour Party and possibly the next prime minister over there.

00:05:43.920 Did these lads do that?

00:05:45.180 Did these young soldiers do that?

00:05:46.220 No, they did not.

00:05:47.000 Did they themselves say anything, in fact, other than a few complimentary greetings and chanting his name briefly?

00:05:52.180 They posted some of these photos to their own private Facebook pages.

00:05:56.600 I'm sure a few of them were public Facebook pages.

00:05:59.120 But did they do anything wrong?

00:06:01.320 Did they even say anything wrong?

00:06:04.300 Well, you bet they did.

00:06:06.340 So says the Muslim imam for the British Armed Forces.

00:06:10.100 There is such a thing, I'll have you know.

00:06:12.380 And in fact, before any investigation of these men was even complete, they had been judged.

00:06:17.700 I don't know, maybe that's how it works in Sharia law.

00:06:19.680 Because it was a Muslim imam issuing this edict, not some military panel or some court of law.

00:06:26.840 Here's the Guardian newspaper.

00:06:30.200 Imam Asim Hafiz, an Islamic religious advisor to the Armed Forces, said,

00:06:36.100 Any form of racism, discrimination or extremism is taken extremely seriously and will be dealt with accordingly.

00:06:41.960 The Armed Forces remain absolutely committed to welcoming individuals from across all faiths and cultures to its ranks.

00:06:49.680 Did you know that the British Army had a Muslim religious advisor?

00:06:53.900 Now you know.

00:06:55.240 And apparently he has the power.

00:06:57.520 I don't know.

00:06:57.980 Did he?

00:06:58.460 Was he the one who kicked out recruits?

00:07:00.280 For standing next to someone at a truck stop?

00:07:04.120 Oh, and for the racism, discrimination and extremism.

00:07:07.720 Can you please tell me?

00:07:09.280 Or could the Guardian or could Imam Hafiz?

00:07:11.640 Please, what discrimination did those soldiers do there? 0.99

00:07:15.400 What extremism did they do there?

00:07:17.100 What racism did they do there? 0.88

00:07:20.160 By the way, as I think I've told you when I first met Tommy in person a couple years ago,

00:07:24.760 he was accompanied by his best friend since childhood.

00:07:27.860 Who just happens to be a black man? 0.98

00:07:30.860 Tommy is constantly working with Sikhs in Britain who are also concerned about similar issues.

00:07:36.720 So, not sure where the racism is.

00:07:39.660 I think Tommy has more visible minority friends than any white liberal at the Guardian.

00:07:44.600 But I'd never stopped the Guardian's insults before.

00:07:47.600 Look, this wasn't the rule of law.

00:07:50.880 This wasn't the rule of court, even a military court.

00:07:53.200 This wasn't an actual offense or an actual problem.

00:07:55.680 This was a political complaint, a deplatforming.

00:07:59.920 In fact, look at the next sentence in that same Guardian story.

00:08:02.160 They say,

00:08:32.160 Now, I've watched a lot of Tommy's videos over the last year and a half.

00:08:36.560 I don't think I've ever seen him claim to represent the army at all, ever.

00:08:40.220 In fact, he's pretty careful about that.

00:08:42.540 He said he was honored to meet those young troops.

00:08:46.260 And the Muslim Council, they didn't talk about Islam.

00:08:49.460 They didn't talk about Muslims.

00:08:51.040 The Muslim Council of the UK did.

00:08:53.000 But by mentioning what Muslim soldiers in the two world wars did,

00:08:57.460 that's interesting.

00:08:58.460 But it's maybe not something the Muslim Council wants to raise.

00:09:01.680 Here's a story in Germany's Deutsche Welle called

00:09:05.300 How Nazis Courted the Islamic World During World War II. 0.66

00:09:09.900 Tens of thousands of Muslims fought for the Nazis in World War II.

00:09:14.600 Deutsche Welle spoke with historian David Motedel

00:09:16.860 about whether pragmatism or anti-Semitism

00:09:19.300 drove Adolf Hitler's overtures and why some Muslim leaders backed him. 0.98

00:09:23.000 Yeah, I don't think the Muslim Council wants to talk about that.

00:09:26.940 You know, the Palestinians back then? 0.99

00:09:28.780 Well, there was something called the Palestine Brigade.

00:09:31.740 But those were the Jews living in Palestine in the Holy Land.

00:09:36.200 They went to fight with the British against Hitler.

00:09:39.820 But nice distraction there, Muslim Council. 1.00

00:09:42.060 But back to Tommy.

00:09:42.960 What did he do wrong at the truck stop?

00:09:45.380 What did the soldiers do wrong at the truck stop?

00:09:48.640 Well, nothing.

00:09:50.520 They can't really de-platform Tommy any more than they have done.

00:09:53.780 I mean, he was sent to prison for 13 months for doing a video outside a court.

00:09:58.160 Not sure what you can do on top of that.

00:10:00.840 But the young lads who took their photos with Tommy,

00:10:03.580 who dared to say,

00:10:04.300 Well, they were immediately investigated.

00:10:09.480 Their own personal cell phones were seized by their commanding officers,

00:10:13.660 and they were told to unlock them.

00:10:15.200 And they were searched for any traces of pro-Tommy sentiment,

00:10:18.720 even in private messages,

00:10:20.080 as in saying you like the guy in private on your own Facebook page,

00:10:25.120 or maybe in a text to a friend.

00:10:26.900 Apparently that is the new test for being a racist.

00:10:30.200 If you told your friend that you met Tommy Robinson at a truck stop,

00:10:35.060 or even if you don't really know who Tommy Robinson is,

00:10:37.680 but you maybe heard his name,

00:10:39.060 maybe, and maybe you've seen a video of him,

00:10:40.640 and look, everyone else in your group is posing for a selfie with him,

00:10:43.580 and you thought you'd do so too,

00:10:44.640 because you're a cohesive group of lads.

00:10:47.560 Well, obviously, you're engaging in Islamophobic discrimination.

00:10:51.220 And you know the Muslim Council of the UK is a good group of guys

00:10:54.320 with really sound judgment that the people in the British Army

00:10:57.960 should totally listen to.

00:10:58.800 I mean, until just a few years ago,

00:11:00.200 the Muslim Council of the UK literally boycotted Holocaust Memorial Day.

00:11:06.540 They were against it.

00:11:08.420 Now, I don't know if they simply deny that the Holocaust happened, 0.81

00:11:11.620 or frankly, if they supported the Holocaust,

00:11:15.000 but they boycotted Holocaust Memorial Day.

00:11:18.380 Here's the same Guardian newspaper

00:11:20.020 that's so concerned about selfies with Tommy.

00:11:22.260 They actually ran an op-ed

00:11:23.740 when the Muslim Council finally changed its mind and said,

00:11:27.100 all right, fine.

00:11:28.720 Whoa, I admit the Holocaust existed. 0.94

00:11:31.720 The Guardian actually wrote, published this op-ed

00:11:34.020 saying that the Muslim Council had gone soft.

00:11:36.700 So that's the Guardian newspaper.

00:11:40.220 That's one of the media outlets judging Tommy and these soldiers.

00:11:44.520 Let me show you that this isn't a conspiracy theory.

00:11:47.680 I'm not drawing lines or seeing ghosts where there aren't them.

00:11:52.280 The British Army really is under the direction of imams and pressure groups. 1.00

00:11:55.720 Look at this tweet.

00:11:57.240 Now, I saw this tweet myself when it was posted,

00:12:00.120 but it was soon deleted.

00:12:02.940 It's from the official British Army account.

00:12:04.800 And let me read it to you.

00:12:05.420 It says,

00:12:05.680 The British Army is proud to be diverse and inclusive.

00:12:09.900 Today, 7th Infantry Brigade, based in the West Midlands,

00:12:12.980 is hosting a retreat for Muslim imams at Amport House,

00:12:16.040 the home of army chaplaincy.

00:12:17.760 The group is studying the role of Muslim chaplaincy in the army.

00:12:21.480 And I'm not sure if you can make it out at the bottom,

00:12:23.320 but there is a photo of about a dozen Muslim imams.

00:12:27.720 Did you know that's going on?

00:12:30.640 You doubt it's going on here in Canada, too.

00:12:32.940 Well, now you know it's going on in the British Army.

00:12:36.820 But I love that line,

00:12:37.680 proud to be diverse and inclusive.

00:12:39.720 Yeah, there weren't any women in that picture, 0.99

00:12:42.980 if you didn't notice.

00:12:44.080 Because that kind of diversity ain't allowed.

00:12:47.060 They're not so friendly to gays either.

00:12:49.620 But really, as usual,

00:12:50.680 when leftists say they're inclusive and diverse,

00:12:52.580 they just don't mean inclusive and diverse to other points of view.

00:12:56.360 Such as, I don't know,

00:12:58.300 towards Tommy Robinson's style of patriotism of British values.

00:13:01.060 Sometimes that's not included in their inclusion.

00:13:04.660 Liberals always claim to be so open-minded to other points of view,

00:13:06.900 but then they are shocked when other people actually have other points of view.

00:13:10.420 These Muslim imams are welcome,

00:13:12.200 but the other point of view, well, put it this way,

00:13:14.380 a Facebook picture of Tommy Robinson

00:13:16.280 is now enough to get you fired from your career.

00:13:21.220 Now, do you think any soldier would be fired for posing

00:13:23.220 in a selfie with a Muslim imam

00:13:25.540 who has a reactionary point of view?

00:13:28.260 It was actually extreme and discriminatory,

00:13:30.800 to use the words of the army imam.

00:13:32.740 Well, look at this.

00:13:33.480 Here's a picture of a few British police,

00:13:35.620 not soldiers, I grant you, but police,

00:13:37.960 giving a salute with a Muslim man

00:13:40.360 who has taught them a friendly hand gesture,

00:13:43.700 raising the index finger.

00:13:44.960 That's so friendly.

00:13:45.920 It's not like our middle finger,

00:13:47.380 which is a bad symbol.

00:13:48.520 Well, this just means one.

00:13:50.320 It's the, oh, it's the symbol of Muslim extremism. 1.00

00:13:54.380 It's an ISIS salute. 0.92

00:13:55.260 It's a symbol of unity.

00:13:57.220 It's a repudiation of Christianity's concept of the Trinity of God.

00:14:00.580 It's what Muslim terrorists show other fundamentalists. 0.99

00:14:05.220 They go like this.

00:14:06.500 That's the symbol.

00:14:08.900 Pretty sure those cops weren't fired.

00:14:11.040 I bet, in fact, they got some attaboys from the chief.

00:14:13.460 And I think it's probably true 0.82

00:14:15.260 that they didn't even know what they were doing

00:14:16.700 when they went like this.

00:14:17.580 But you see the tilt here.

00:14:21.020 Look at how far it's tilted.

00:14:23.800 I'm about to show you a recruiting video

00:14:25.660 from the British Army.

00:14:26.840 I'm going to show the whole thing.

00:14:27.860 It's only 40 seconds.

00:14:29.200 Take a look.

00:14:29.640 Take a look.

00:14:47.580 That's a real ad for the British Army.

00:15:12.080 Imagine that.

00:15:13.800 You're out on patrol in Afghanistan.

00:15:15.700 I don't know where those mountains were.

00:15:16.880 Probably in Afghanistan. 0.88

00:15:18.900 But your whole squad will now stop to accommodate five prayers a day.

00:15:25.440 And you can take your boots off.

00:15:26.660 You can take your helmet off.

00:15:28.060 And you saw that other guy mute the radio call.

00:15:30.960 Shh.

00:15:31.440 Tell the general.

00:15:32.540 He's got to wait.

00:15:33.640 It's prayer time.

00:15:35.980 Look, there's an important Muslim prayer that takes precedence.

00:15:38.660 Whatever the general wants, he'll have to wait.

00:15:41.540 That is a real ad.

00:15:42.380 That is not satire.

00:15:44.360 So that's permitted in the British Army.

00:15:46.000 I wonder if Taliban terrorists would stop shooting at the Brits 0.92

00:15:50.140 while a British Muslim soldier stopped the patrol to pray.

00:15:55.760 Look, I get it.

00:15:56.680 This is the story in the Times of London a couple years back.

00:15:59.900 It's the most prestigious newspaper in the United Kingdom.

00:16:02.780 The headline, hundreds more UK Muslims choose jihad than army. 0.80

00:16:06.540 Let me read a few of the first lines.

00:16:08.660 More than twice as many British Muslims have traveled to Syria and Iraq to wage jihad

00:16:13.200 than have joined the British military over the past three years.

00:16:16.820 The difference could be even greater after it was claimed last night

00:16:21.180 that the number of Britons who too have fought with the Islamic State, ISIS,

00:16:25.200 and other extremist groups in the region was much higher

00:16:27.360 than the 400 to 500 identified by police.

00:16:31.320 One member of parliament said that more than 1,500 British militants

00:16:35.060 had joined the fight to create a caliphate

00:16:36.840 while a leading figure in the Muslim community put the figure between 600 and 1,000.

00:16:42.100 About 560 Muslims serve in the British Army.

00:16:44.460 So, yeah, it's a challenge.

00:16:48.280 I'm not sure if that recruitment ad, though, is going to help

00:16:52.320 or the Muslim imams or kicking out indigenous white Brits 0.80

00:16:56.340 who happen to love the Queen, but that's just what happened. 0.99

00:17:00.620 Look at this story today in Sky News.

00:17:03.720 Soldier in Tommy Robinson video to be discharged from army.

00:17:08.480 I'll read some more.

00:17:09.140 Sky News is told the recruit had a long record of disciplinary problems

00:17:12.980 and this was the last straw that broke the camel's back.

00:17:16.680 Oh, what a racist analogy.

00:17:19.680 Hang on. Hang on.

00:17:21.000 Who leaked that soldier's personnel file?

00:17:24.080 Why was that leaked before the hearing even happened?

00:17:28.620 Is the British media at all concerned about the invasion of political privacy

00:17:31.360 and personal freedom?

00:17:32.800 Having every soldier of their phone searched?

00:17:35.300 Do they really support firing soldiers

00:17:37.260 because they stand next to someone at a truck stop and smile?

00:17:42.460 Well, of course, if the person involved is Tommy Robinson.

00:17:45.900 Same way they didn't care that a Brit was sentenced to 13 years in prison 0.77

00:17:48.500 for reporting outside a court.

00:17:50.220 First time a reporter's been sentenced to prison in the UK for contempt since the 1940s.

00:17:54.320 Look, the British media don't care

00:17:55.880 because they love the transformation of the British Army into something unrecognizable.

00:17:59.740 I don't think they really like the new British Army,

00:18:03.080 but they hate the old British Army.

00:18:05.020 Male, strong, British, patriotic, killed things. 0.94

00:18:10.700 The Army is the last redoubt of patriots

00:18:12.800 and people who just plain love the United Kingdom

00:18:14.660 and want to fight for it.

00:18:15.960 Not a lot of them left, but there are a few.

00:18:17.380 They're mainly in the armed forces.

00:18:18.680 So the armed forces must be destroyed,

00:18:20.880 just like liberals in America, just to pull a random example.

00:18:24.460 They love what's going on in the NFL at the hands of Black Lives Matter. 1.00

00:18:28.880 Liberals don't actually watch football.

00:18:31.040 They don't really care.

00:18:32.440 They just want to destroy a symbol of patriotism and masculinity.

00:18:37.040 Well, the British armed forces are the last best thing about the UK, aren't they?

00:18:40.340 They actually kill Taliban terrorists.

00:18:42.960 They're so rude that way.

00:18:45.220 This story's getting bigger, not smaller.

00:18:47.540 Last night, Tommy set up a petition with us at standwithourlads.com.

00:18:54.460 Standwithourlads.com.

00:18:55.340 Now, in 24 hours, more than 100,000 people have signed that petition.

00:19:03.680 That is amazing.

00:19:05.160 We've been doing petitions here at the Rebel for three and a half years,

00:19:08.000 and we have never done one that has got so many signatures so quickly.

00:19:13.040 I think this shows the importance of the military

00:19:15.080 and the outrage over this extreme politically correct meddling by the Muslim Council.

00:19:20.840 But it's just as important for the military brass, too, that this happen,

00:19:28.400 that Tommy be crushed and any Tommy sympathizers be crushed.

00:19:32.260 I hope to be able to show you evidence as soon as tomorrow

00:19:36.640 that the Minister of Defense himself has been directly involved in the purge of these young troops.

00:19:44.600 The Minister has taken a personal interest.

00:19:48.160 I have proof. I need permission to show it. I hope to show you tomorrow.

00:19:52.460 That's how seriously they want to stomp out patriotism and national pride

00:19:55.620 and any resistance to the Islamification of the armed forces.

00:19:59.760 We'll see who wins this showdown.

00:20:01.960 The 100,000 petition signers and Tommy, or the brass.

00:20:05.480 I love Tommy. I love Great Britain.

00:20:07.380 But I've seen enough over my travels there in the last two years

00:20:10.480 to know how this is going to end.

00:20:14.840 They will literally kick out dozens, hundreds,

00:20:21.060 even thousands of British soldiers

00:20:24.140 in the name of political correctness.

00:20:26.440 They will kick them all out if necessary.

00:20:30.880 Just you watch.

00:20:33.040 Stay with us for more.

00:20:33.940 Like I said, I've learned my lesson.

00:20:52.460 In four years, I've learned a lot of things.

00:20:54.120 I mean, if I was going back home to do something like that,

00:20:58.440 I wouldn't have contacted the government for help.

00:21:01.280 I would have tried to snuck in.

00:21:04.140 Like I said, I just want to go back home

00:21:06.200 with my family and kids

00:21:08.900 and just forget about this whole thing, man,

00:21:13.040 if it's possible.

00:21:13.780 It's four years.

00:21:16.900 I mean, it's pretty much taken everything out of me.

00:21:22.380 Most of the time I was doing recon,

00:21:24.440 even with the sniping units, I was a spotter.

00:21:27.700 I mean, we didn't take much shots or things like that

00:21:30.220 because of the nature of war here.

00:21:32.280 I mean, distances are very far.

00:21:36.960 And even when we shot, I mean,

00:21:38.340 we never went up looking around

00:21:39.700 trying to see if we killed someone.

00:21:41.760 That is an ISIS terrorist from Canada.

00:21:49.300 His name is Muhammad Ali.

00:21:51.460 And he's actually, he was caught

00:21:53.200 trying to sneak out of the Islamic State

00:21:57.300 and make his way back to Canada

00:21:59.200 when he was captured by Kurdish forces

00:22:01.820 who were holding him.

00:22:03.320 He's out there doing terrorism with his wife and kids.

00:22:06.740 And he wants to come back to Canada.

00:22:08.540 And you heard the man.

00:22:09.820 He's learned his lesson, folks.

00:22:11.580 And he's just tired.

00:22:13.420 He's ready to come home.

00:22:14.640 And as Justin Trudeau said,

00:22:16.440 as a Canadian is a Canadian,

00:22:18.720 he'll surely be brought back.

00:22:20.140 Or will he?

00:22:21.280 Muhammad Ali says he has not yet spoken on the phone

00:22:24.200 or be contacted by any of Trudeau's diplomats.

00:22:27.240 Joining us now to talk about the possible scenarios

00:22:29.640 that could play out here

00:22:30.640 is our friend Lee Humphrey,

00:22:32.660 the founder of Veterans for the Conservative Party of Canada

00:22:35.500 and president of James International Security Consulting.

00:22:39.560 Ali, great to have you here.

00:22:40.780 Thanks very much.

00:22:41.860 What do you make of the case of Muhammad Ali?

00:22:46.280 Well, you know, the first thing that pops into my head

00:22:48.940 when I hear that clip, Ezra,

00:22:50.280 is how disgusting it is that he thinks he's a victim

00:22:54.240 in any way, shape or form.

00:22:55.640 He purposefully chose to leave Canada in 2014,

00:23:01.160 in April of 2014.

00:23:02.880 He went to work in northern Alberta

00:23:06.040 after leaving school to raise money

00:23:08.460 so he could travel abroad.

00:23:10.920 He told his father about it.

00:23:12.640 His father took him to an imam

00:23:14.540 to try and talk him out of it.

00:23:17.020 And he wasn't to be dissuaded.

00:23:19.220 He was going to go.

00:23:20.480 And now suddenly, you know,

00:23:22.940 we're to feel he's the victim?

00:23:24.800 I don't think so.

00:23:26.260 You know, I'm reminded of Omar Khadr

00:23:28.900 when he was captured.

00:23:30.800 The Taliban and al-Qaeda,

00:23:32.940 and of course ISIS is an offshoot of al-Qaeda,

00:23:35.380 train their terrorists

00:23:37.300 that when they're captured,

00:23:39.040 there's certain things they should say or do

00:23:41.040 to press the emotional or legal buttons in the West.

00:23:45.040 One of the things they always say

00:23:46.720 is that they were tortured,

00:23:48.340 whether or not it's true

00:23:49.240 because they know that that will,

00:23:51.500 you know, cause all sorts of legal machinery

00:23:54.200 to come to their aid

00:23:55.220 and it'll also be a PR war.

00:23:58.040 I don't believe that a man

00:24:00.520 who's willing to murder you

00:24:02.000 isn't also willing to lie to you.

00:24:05.260 Lee, I guess what I'm saying is

00:24:06.520 I don't believe a word he's saying

00:24:08.320 and I think he's doing a practiced

00:24:11.160 beg or lie or takia, as they might say,

00:24:15.480 because he'd rather be in Canada

00:24:17.680 than in a Kurdish prison.

00:24:19.240 Yeah, absolutely.

00:24:20.620 He'll say whatever he needs to say

00:24:22.380 and appear to be the innocent victim

00:24:24.900 of all of this

00:24:26.060 and that he was only a spotter

00:24:27.520 and not a shooter,

00:24:29.040 as if that makes a difference,

00:24:31.080 so that he can come home

00:24:33.420 and, as he says, forget about this.

00:24:35.780 But there is no forgetting

00:24:37.260 about committing terrorism

00:24:38.620 on a genocidal scale

00:24:40.520 against, you know,

00:24:43.160 both Iraq and Syria

00:24:45.020 and trying to take over

00:24:47.320 the Sahil region

00:24:48.840 or the Alsham region,

00:24:51.980 sorry.

00:24:53.140 You know, it's time,

00:24:55.520 I think, Canada

00:24:56.920 really decided

00:24:58.540 whether we want to enforce

00:24:59.920 our terrorism laws

00:25:01.140 or whether we want to keep playing

00:25:03.100 the silly game

00:25:04.180 of sticking our head in the sand,

00:25:06.400 bringing folks home

00:25:07.520 and following this mantra

00:25:09.700 that we'll simply deny

00:25:11.060 that terrorism

00:25:12.360 could be carried out

00:25:13.920 by young Canadians abroad,

00:25:15.880 let alone at home.

00:25:17.080 You know, the attack

00:25:20.680 against terrorism

00:25:21.620 through the courts,

00:25:23.400 prosecuting,

00:25:24.960 lawyering,

00:25:25.900 beyond a reasonable doubt,

00:25:27.380 beyond a balance

00:25:28.220 of probability,

00:25:30.040 these are not,

00:25:31.160 the legal process

00:25:32.200 is not properly suited

00:25:33.780 to war.

00:25:35.060 There's no meticulous

00:25:36.880 gathering of evidence,

00:25:38.040 there's no untampered evidence,

00:25:39.640 there's, you know,

00:25:40.420 there's no witnesses,

00:25:41.540 there's a,

00:25:42.060 it's,

00:25:42.880 prosecuting someone

00:25:43.840 for what they do overseas

00:25:44.900 is not the best way

00:25:47.320 to do it.

00:25:48.440 Our criminal code

00:25:49.480 has provisions

00:25:50.260 that allow us

00:25:51.260 to prosecute someone

00:25:52.780 simply for going over there

00:25:55.080 to avoid the evidentiary

00:25:58.080 and procedural hassles.

00:25:59.720 I mean,

00:26:00.040 imagine trying to get a witness,

00:26:02.160 you know,

00:26:03.160 a transient terrorist

00:26:04.560 or soldier in the field,

00:26:05.500 it makes no sense.

00:26:06.580 We could prosecute them

00:26:08.400 simply for going over there

00:26:09.940 and providing support

00:26:12.220 and moral support

00:26:13.860 and tangible support

00:26:15.400 to ISIS right there. 0.94

00:26:16.560 That is a criminal act

00:26:18.400 under our criminal code,

00:26:19.360 isn't it?

00:26:20.660 Absolutely.

00:26:21.460 And that is the number one reason

00:26:23.180 why that piece of the law

00:26:25.720 was put into place

00:26:26.840 because it was very clear

00:26:28.400 that it is difficult

00:26:29.660 to gather evidence

00:26:30.740 in a war zone.

00:26:33.120 It is very difficult

00:26:34.760 to have that meet the burden

00:26:36.860 of proof standards

00:26:38.380 in the Canadian justice system.

00:26:40.880 So what is very clear

00:26:43.600 in almost every one

00:26:45.120 of these terrorist cases

00:26:46.300 is that these folks

00:26:47.680 either went and fought

00:26:50.380 with ISIL

00:26:52.620 or they attempted to.

00:26:55.360 So that is the relevant piece

00:26:57.580 of the legal or the law

00:27:00.800 that should be applied

00:27:02.300 and could be easily applied.

00:27:04.080 And it's exactly

00:27:05.000 what our allies use

00:27:07.040 for their domestic terrorists

00:27:10.860 that travel abroad

00:27:12.100 and then attempt

00:27:13.080 to come home.

00:27:15.140 Have any Canadians

00:27:17.260 who have gone overseas

00:27:18.720 to fight with ISIS

00:27:19.720 or ISIL,

00:27:20.440 depending on how you say it,

00:27:21.960 have any of them

00:27:22.920 been charged?

00:27:23.580 We know that dozens,

00:27:25.380 maybe even scores,

00:27:27.120 have returned to Canada.

00:27:28.380 Has there been any prosecution

00:27:29.600 or even any arrests

00:27:30.880 that we know about?

00:27:32.820 None that I'm aware of.

00:27:33.980 I know that most of these folks

00:27:37.180 have been interviewed

00:27:38.040 upon arrival.

00:27:40.200 They've been interrogated

00:27:42.280 for a short period of time.

00:27:43.960 They've been warned

00:27:44.560 that they will be followed

00:27:45.640 or tracked.

00:27:47.260 But there's been no charges,

00:27:49.420 no arrests,

00:27:50.280 no attempted charges

00:27:51.580 that have gone to court

00:27:53.620 and failed.

00:27:54.480 So, you know,

00:27:55.720 it appears that the government

00:27:57.020 is incredibly reluctant

00:27:58.520 to even go down this path

00:28:00.860 under the administration

00:28:04.300 of Prime Minister Trudeau.

00:28:07.480 You know,

00:28:08.240 it was,

00:28:09.660 interestingly enough,

00:28:10.720 a foreign journalist,

00:28:11.980 Rukmini Kalamacki

00:28:13.080 is her name,

00:28:13.800 with the New York Times

00:28:14.940 who interviewed

00:28:16.420 an ISIS terrorist

00:28:18.500 who came back to Canada,

00:28:20.140 interviewed him

00:28:20.700 at some length

00:28:21.640 and he was boasting

00:28:22.880 in the New York Times

00:28:24.260 of being a murderer overseas

00:28:27.620 and being an enforcer.

00:28:28.840 So, I mean,

00:28:31.900 you have these folks

00:28:32.840 aren't hiding it.

00:28:34.020 I mean,

00:28:34.260 this fella here

00:28:34.920 is probably lying

00:28:35.920 about the fact

00:28:37.420 that he, quote,

00:28:38.000 was only a sniper spotter.

00:28:39.640 As you point out,

00:28:40.260 it doesn't matter.

00:28:41.100 He helped kill

00:28:41.820 how many innocents. 0.85

00:28:43.280 He's probably lying

00:28:44.400 about what other things

00:28:45.180 he did personally.

00:28:45.900 He's probably lying

00:28:46.460 about his remorse.

00:28:47.760 But he doesn't have to lie

00:28:49.860 because there are other

00:28:51.200 terrorist returnees

00:28:52.780 in Canada

00:28:53.300 who shout it out,

00:28:54.960 who boast about it.

00:28:56.180 There was a Yazidi woman

00:28:57.320 who said she saw

00:28:58.740 her ISIS rapist

00:29:00.080 on a public bus

00:29:01.680 in Ontario.

00:29:02.980 These folks

00:29:03.600 don't even need to hide

00:29:04.620 because no one's chasing them,

00:29:05.720 am I right?

00:29:07.520 That's the problem.

00:29:08.700 I mean,

00:29:09.080 we have countless

00:29:10.720 social media postings

00:29:13.140 by these folks

00:29:14.220 boasting of their achievements

00:29:16.600 while in country.

00:29:18.060 It is not beyond

00:29:19.940 the ability

00:29:20.980 of the Canadian government

00:29:22.260 to determine

00:29:23.900 that those social media posts

00:29:25.520 were actually posted

00:29:27.740 where they say

00:29:28.880 they were posted from.

00:29:30.760 And these people

00:29:32.480 are boasting

00:29:33.320 of their achievements.

00:29:35.220 This gentleman,

00:29:36.660 he did say

00:29:37.980 that he was mostly a spotter,

00:29:39.820 but he did take some shots.

00:29:41.580 He said he was sick

00:29:42.840 of killing

00:29:43.500 after four years.

00:29:45.600 You know,

00:29:45.840 this is exhibit one

00:29:47.420 of a confession.

00:29:49.320 And the only reason

00:29:51.480 I can think of

00:29:52.460 that Canadian authorities

00:29:54.180 may not have interviewed him

00:29:55.920 at this point

00:29:56.660 or haven't interviewed him

00:29:57.780 at this point

00:29:58.880 is they're afraid

00:30:00.400 of the potential lawsuit

00:30:03.340 because the Americans

00:30:04.540 and the British

00:30:05.120 have interrogated him.

00:30:07.220 And they,

00:30:08.200 you know,

00:30:08.540 they're looking at

00:30:09.140 the Omar Khadar case

00:30:10.300 and saying,

00:30:11.300 oh my God,

00:30:11.840 if we send Canadians 1.00

00:30:12.960 in to interview this guy

00:30:14.620 while he's in the custody

00:30:16.200 of somebody else,

00:30:17.440 we'll have another

00:30:18.860 human rights violation

00:30:20.180 on our hands

00:30:20.940 and we'll be forking out

00:30:22.160 $10.5 million again.

00:30:23.880 Yeah.

00:30:24.180 You know,

00:30:24.680 I think you're absolutely right

00:30:26.020 because it wasn't just

00:30:26.880 Cotter.

00:30:27.340 Two or three other

00:30:28.660 accused terrorists

00:30:30.780 were awarded

00:30:31.540 about $10 million each.

00:30:32.740 And I see that

00:30:33.180 there was another terrorist

00:30:33.880 suing the Canadian government

00:30:35.700 for tens of millions

00:30:37.040 with very little connection

00:30:37.960 to Canada.

00:30:38.680 I think you're so right

00:30:39.640 about that.

00:30:40.140 Let me ask you a question

00:30:41.900 about Guantanamo Bay

00:30:43.060 because I,

00:30:45.560 you know,

00:30:46.440 George W. Bush

00:30:48.080 created Guantanamo Bay

00:30:49.940 to hold detainees

00:30:51.980 who were not prisoners

00:30:53.120 of war

00:30:53.700 under the definition

00:30:55.060 of the Geneva Conventions.

00:30:58.040 I've read those conventions

00:30:58.840 several times

00:30:59.560 and it's clear

00:31:00.520 you have to meet

00:31:01.200 certain standards

00:31:01.940 to be given

00:31:02.780 the rights

00:31:04.420 of a soldier.

00:31:05.280 I mean,

00:31:05.480 for example,

00:31:05.900 when we captured

00:31:06.860 tens of thousands

00:31:07.800 of German soldiers

00:31:09.400 in the Second World War,

00:31:10.700 we didn't prosecute them

00:31:12.000 and we didn't put them

00:31:13.300 in a regular prison

00:31:14.200 because they hadn't done

00:31:15.460 anything, quote,

00:31:16.200 wrong by just being

00:31:17.280 regular soldiers.

00:31:18.280 We just put them

00:31:18.860 in prisoner war camps

00:31:19.660 until the war was done

00:31:21.300 but they had to

00:31:22.040 wear a uniform,

00:31:24.520 be part of a chain

00:31:25.400 of command,

00:31:26.720 bear their weapons

00:31:27.500 openly,

00:31:28.340 not sneakily

00:31:29.120 like a terrorist,

00:31:30.180 and they had to

00:31:30.680 generally follow

00:31:31.400 the laws and customs

00:31:32.740 of war.

00:31:33.160 So if you were just

00:31:33.700 some, you know,

00:31:34.620 18-year-old conscript

00:31:35.960 in the Wehrmacht,

00:31:36.900 you weren't going

00:31:37.480 to be prosecuted

00:31:38.180 for a war crime.

00:31:38.920 You'd just be held

00:31:39.680 until the war was over.

00:31:42.220 You couldn't leave.

00:31:43.680 That's sort of

00:31:44.520 what Guantanamo Bay was,

00:31:45.920 a POW camp,

00:31:47.540 but for terrorists

00:31:49.220 who didn't rise

00:31:50.140 to the level

00:31:50.860 of an actual soldier.

00:31:52.880 Do we need

00:31:54.040 some sort of

00:31:54.900 an indefinite detention

00:31:56.760 like POW camps were, 0.79

00:31:58.880 like Guantanamo Bay is,

00:32:00.500 do we need

00:32:01.020 some sort of

00:32:01.580 Canadian place

00:32:02.780 where we put

00:32:03.740 these terrorists

00:32:04.540 until,

00:32:06.000 as we did

00:32:06.520 with the Wehrmacht soldiers

00:32:07.520 in World War II

00:32:08.160 until the war

00:32:09.440 was over?

00:32:11.920 It's an interesting

00:32:12.880 question,

00:32:13.380 and that's exactly

00:32:15.020 what Guantanamo

00:32:15.880 was created for.

00:32:18.000 And, in fact,

00:32:18.800 the U.S.

00:32:19.260 took an additional

00:32:19.960 step whereby

00:32:21.020 they gave

00:32:22.640 those prisoners

00:32:24.060 not the status

00:32:25.580 of PW

00:32:26.560 or prisoner

00:32:27.420 of war,

00:32:28.120 but they gave

00:32:28.860 them the rights

00:32:29.640 inherent to

00:32:30.660 prisoners of war

00:32:31.680 in terms of

00:32:33.440 the quality

00:32:33.960 of health care

00:32:34.660 they got,

00:32:35.340 recreational facilities,

00:32:36.840 et cetera.

00:32:38.060 And so,

00:32:39.700 it allowed

00:32:40.320 the United States

00:32:41.240 time to hold

00:32:42.420 people either

00:32:43.340 until the war

00:32:44.220 was over

00:32:44.760 or until those

00:32:45.820 people were

00:32:46.260 no longer

00:32:46.760 threats,

00:32:47.520 or they could

00:32:48.320 be transferred

00:32:48.920 to their host

00:32:49.640 nations

00:32:50.200 and dealt

00:32:51.220 with safely

00:32:51.980 there.

00:32:52.960 Obviously,

00:32:53.580 there was

00:32:54.260 some recidivism

00:32:55.760 back to the

00:32:56.960 battlefield,

00:32:58.300 but for the

00:32:59.200 most part,

00:32:59.820 it worked well.

00:33:00.620 whether Canada

00:33:02.400 needs to do

00:33:03.240 that or

00:33:03.940 whether the

00:33:04.840 international

00:33:06.540 Western group

00:33:09.080 of countries

00:33:09.780 need to come

00:33:10.480 together and

00:33:11.860 create a

00:33:12.740 facility similar

00:33:13.780 to perhaps

00:33:14.560 what we had

00:33:15.100 in Berlin,

00:33:16.800 where,

00:33:18.520 you know,

00:33:18.960 at one point

00:33:19.700 it was only

00:33:20.120 holding one

00:33:20.700 Nazi prisoner

00:33:21.460 until he

00:33:21.980 passed away,

00:33:23.700 but some

00:33:24.280 form of an

00:33:25.060 international

00:33:25.640 prison where

00:33:26.340 you can

00:33:26.680 maintain the

00:33:27.440 rights and

00:33:28.940 the standards

00:33:29.940 that Western

00:33:30.660 nations expect

00:33:31.660 their prisoners

00:33:32.260 to be held

00:33:32.880 in for the

00:33:34.160 duration of

00:33:35.500 a war or

00:33:36.300 until their

00:33:36.840 cases can be

00:33:37.700 adjudicated

00:33:38.400 properly and

00:33:39.900 they're deemed

00:33:40.320 not to be

00:33:40.900 threats.

00:33:41.480 The alternative

00:33:42.680 to that is

00:33:43.460 we've seen

00:33:44.320 the United

00:33:44.740 Kingdom

00:33:45.340 withdraw the

00:33:46.780 citizenship of

00:33:47.780 at least nine

00:33:48.660 ISIS terrorists

00:33:50.180 that are being

00:33:50.840 held by the

00:33:51.740 SDF in the

00:33:54.600 Kurdish region.

00:33:56.540 Canada could

00:33:57.280 do the same

00:33:57.880 specifically with

00:33:58.660 this gentleman

00:33:59.220 and his

00:33:59.920 wife,

00:34:00.480 although the

00:34:01.680 complicating

00:34:02.300 factor in

00:34:02.980 this case

00:34:03.480 would be the

00:34:04.060 children who

00:34:05.780 were born to

00:34:06.520 two Canadian

00:34:07.840 citizens,

00:34:08.780 although they're

00:34:09.380 citizens by

00:34:10.460 residency,

00:34:11.160 not by birth,

00:34:12.740 but it becomes

00:34:13.500 a complicating

00:34:14.140 factor for sure.

00:34:15.960 But the

00:34:16.540 terrorist himself,

00:34:18.580 they could

00:34:18.960 certainly withdraw

00:34:20.320 his citizenship

00:34:21.220 and many of

00:34:22.680 the others.

00:34:23.360 Those born in 0.83

00:34:24.240 Canada like 0.83

00:34:24.940 Cotter would

00:34:26.260 have to be

00:34:26.820 repatriated at

00:34:27.920 some point

00:34:28.780 once either the

00:34:32.440 war was done

00:34:33.360 or they had

00:34:33.960 completed their

00:34:34.600 sentence as in

00:34:35.280 the case of

00:34:35.780 Cotter.

00:34:36.720 So, you know,

00:34:37.360 the short

00:34:37.740 answer is I

00:34:38.840 don't know if

00:34:39.360 Canada could

00:34:40.380 afford to do

00:34:41.000 something like

00:34:41.580 that on its

00:34:42.140 own for such a

00:34:42.840 small number,

00:34:43.680 but in

00:34:45.320 conjunction with

00:34:46.200 our allies like

00:34:47.300 the United

00:34:47.720 Kingdom,

00:34:48.400 France,

00:34:49.540 Germany,

00:34:50.580 Italy,

00:34:51.660 the United

00:34:52.380 States,

00:34:52.920 other countries

00:34:53.560 that have

00:34:53.960 larger numbers,

00:34:55.460 perhaps this is

00:34:56.320 a good solution.

00:34:57.440 Yeah.

00:34:57.700 You know,

00:34:58.160 I don't want to

00:34:59.020 try and be a

00:35:00.160 legislator,

00:35:01.060 I just don't

00:35:01.720 know enough

00:35:02.200 about the

00:35:02.600 laws of war,

00:35:03.520 but the one

00:35:03.980 thing that I

00:35:04.500 found very

00:35:04.900 interesting when

00:35:05.520 I learned

00:35:05.860 about prison

00:35:07.100 of war camps

00:35:07.620 is it was not

00:35:08.480 a penitentiary,

00:35:09.180 these people

00:35:09.500 were not being

00:35:09.920 punished,

00:35:10.740 they were just

00:35:11.060 being kept

00:35:11.640 because if they

00:35:12.740 were to let go

00:35:13.740 it was assumed

00:35:14.340 they would rejoin

00:35:15.420 the army and

00:35:15.920 keep fighting.

00:35:16.500 So this was

00:35:16.880 just a way to

00:35:17.860 get them off

00:35:18.460 the field of

00:35:19.100 battle till

00:35:20.160 Germany was no 0.96

00:35:21.000 longer our

00:35:21.520 enemy and then

00:35:22.080 they could

00:35:22.380 go home,

00:35:22.760 some of them

00:35:23.060 actually stayed

00:35:23.740 here.

00:35:24.340 I think that

00:35:25.100 Al-Qaeda and 0.67

00:35:25.840 the Taliban

00:35:26.280 will fight

00:35:27.120 the West

00:35:27.720 forever.

00:35:29.700 I don't think

00:35:30.560 that's something

00:35:31.160 that would

00:35:31.760 accept a

00:35:32.800 surrender,

00:35:33.340 it's not in

00:35:33.920 the ideological

00:35:34.900 nature of

00:35:35.960 Islamic extremism.

00:35:37.700 So if these

00:35:38.500 folks would

00:35:39.140 remain in

00:35:39.760 detention

00:35:40.160 forever,

00:35:41.400 that's a price

00:35:42.580 that I think

00:35:43.460 they should

00:35:44.300 pay and again

00:35:45.280 we're not

00:35:45.880 punishing them

00:35:47.020 as a murderer

00:35:47.740 because we

00:35:48.140 haven't convicted

00:35:48.820 them of that,

00:35:50.020 we're just

00:35:50.420 holding them,

00:35:51.000 I don't want

00:35:51.520 that guy,

00:35:52.100 Muhammad Ali

00:35:53.160 wandering around

00:35:53.900 schools,

00:35:54.440 I don't want

00:35:54.920 them wandering

00:35:55.960 by synagogues

00:35:56.880 or churches

00:35:57.380 or daycares,

00:35:58.260 I don't want

00:35:58.740 them collaborating

00:36:01.020 with other

00:36:01.860 radicals.

00:36:02.620 Let me ask you

00:36:03.960 one last

00:36:04.500 question,

00:36:04.660 I'm sort of

00:36:05.620 meandering and

00:36:06.240 daydreaming about

00:36:07.040 things that we

00:36:07.540 could do,

00:36:08.540 I think maybe

00:36:10.040 that doesn't make

00:36:10.660 me much different

00:36:11.240 from Trudeau and

00:36:12.120 Ralph Goodale,

00:36:13.020 they clearly don't

00:36:13.860 know what to do

00:36:14.540 or want to do

00:36:15.580 anything either,

00:36:16.280 do they?

00:36:16.640 Well, they seem

00:36:18.380 to be inserting

00:36:19.080 a political

00:36:20.060 piece to this

00:36:21.320 in the sense

00:36:21.900 that there's

00:36:22.840 an election

00:36:23.240 coming,

00:36:24.300 they recognized

00:36:25.380 when they made

00:36:26.600 that payment

00:36:27.200 to Omar

00:36:27.760 Cotter that

00:36:28.700 the backlash

00:36:29.600 was far

00:36:30.620 greater than

00:36:31.300 they ever

00:36:31.700 anticipated,

00:36:32.980 that with each

00:36:33.880 terrorist attack

00:36:34.860 in Canada

00:36:35.540 that they

00:36:36.620 attempt to

00:36:37.300 deny,

00:36:38.020 that Canadians

00:36:38.800 can see through

00:36:39.720 this and they

00:36:40.380 see it through,

00:36:41.980 Trudeau and

00:36:42.920 Goodale are

00:36:43.440 seeing it through

00:36:44.100 a political lens

00:36:45.040 and how it

00:36:45.640 could damage

00:36:46.200 them in the

00:36:46.720 next election

00:36:47.420 or how it

00:36:48.360 could benefit

00:36:48.960 the Conservative

00:36:49.620 Party,

00:36:50.100 which is much

00:36:50.680 tougher on

00:36:51.280 these issues.

00:36:52.460 So you're

00:36:53.640 not getting

00:36:54.380 an accurate

00:36:55.680 assessment by

00:36:57.720 the security

00:36:58.320 services to

00:36:59.860 the Minister

00:37:00.540 of Public

00:37:01.340 Safety who

00:37:02.640 then moves

00:37:03.240 forward.

00:37:04.120 You know,

00:37:04.420 there's the

00:37:05.020 Gerald Butts

00:37:05.680 lens that it's

00:37:06.440 all going

00:37:07.000 through before

00:37:08.900 any actions

00:37:10.360 are taken.

00:37:11.720 And this

00:37:12.140 should be,

00:37:12.900 you know,

00:37:13.480 like many

00:37:14.000 things,

00:37:14.440 like veterans

00:37:15.000 issues,

00:37:15.420 like military

00:37:16.280 issues,

00:37:16.760 like procurement

00:37:17.580 for military.

00:37:18.840 This should be

00:37:19.460 a nonpartisan

00:37:20.520 issue.

00:37:21.440 This is about

00:37:21.960 the safety

00:37:22.420 of Canadians.

00:37:23.220 You mentioned

00:37:23.740 a Yosidi woman

00:37:25.000 being terrorized

00:37:26.300 again at

00:37:27.340 home.

00:37:28.860 We can't let

00:37:29.660 that happen

00:37:30.260 to our citizens

00:37:31.240 who,

00:37:32.260 through no

00:37:32.720 fault of their

00:37:33.340 own,

00:37:34.000 have to live

00:37:34.660 in fear

00:37:35.340 because terrorists

00:37:36.900 who were weary

00:37:37.800 on the battlefield

00:37:38.620 may regain

00:37:40.060 their strength,

00:37:40.940 their composure,

00:37:42.180 and rediscover

00:37:43.360 their ideology

00:37:44.260 when they're

00:37:44.720 back here

00:37:45.180 at home.

00:37:46.540 Well,

00:37:47.340 I am scared

00:37:48.980 about it.

00:37:49.720 And as I said

00:37:50.460 about Omar

00:37:50.880 Cotter,

00:37:51.300 I'm less scared

00:37:52.240 that he will

00:37:53.240 actually murder

00:37:54.100 someone again

00:37:55.120 because he's

00:37:56.080 much more powerful

00:37:56.920 than just a

00:37:58.020 piece of

00:37:58.780 cannon fodder

00:37:59.500 as he was

00:38:00.240 a dozen years

00:38:01.260 ago.

00:38:01.680 Now he's a

00:38:02.440 propagandist,

00:38:03.280 an organizer,

00:38:04.360 an inspirer,

00:38:05.380 a connector.

00:38:06.360 He has his

00:38:06.960 father's name

00:38:07.660 and most

00:38:08.040 importantly,

00:38:09.140 he's the guy

00:38:09.780 who beat

00:38:10.300 Guantanamo Bay.

00:38:11.160 He's the guy

00:38:11.720 who beat

00:38:12.120 the rap

00:38:12.600 and is walking

00:38:13.440 free with

00:38:13.900 10.5 million

00:38:14.820 in his jeans.

00:38:15.740 The very fact

00:38:16.480 that he struts

00:38:17.080 around free

00:38:17.660 is much more

00:38:18.540 inspiring and

00:38:19.960 terrifying

00:38:20.620 to young

00:38:22.540 Muslim radicals 0.74

00:38:23.460 who would be

00:38:23.860 contemplating that

00:38:24.600 life than if

00:38:25.480 he would just

00:38:25.900 throw a grenade

00:38:26.580 at a Jewish 0.88

00:38:27.180 school bus.

00:38:28.160 I think

00:38:28.660 bringing these

00:38:30.280 terrorists home

00:38:32.100 and giving them

00:38:32.660 money is actually

00:38:33.900 more dangerous

00:38:34.680 than the murders

00:38:35.820 they would cause.

00:38:36.480 Last word to

00:38:37.060 you, Lee.

00:38:38.620 Absolutely.

00:38:39.320 These guys

00:38:39.720 are rock stars.

00:38:41.020 They have

00:38:41.620 fought for the

00:38:42.300 A-team

00:38:42.980 and they have

00:38:44.060 survived

00:38:44.760 and they are

00:38:46.100 now coming

00:38:46.760 home and

00:38:47.580 they will be

00:38:48.400 welcomed with

00:38:49.600 open arms

00:38:50.420 in certain

00:38:51.200 mosques by

00:38:52.000 certain groups

00:38:52.740 of people

00:38:53.280 and they will

00:38:54.920 be listened

00:38:55.560 to and

00:38:57.140 idolized over

00:38:58.500 and over

00:38:59.040 and over

00:38:59.480 again about

00:39:00.740 how they

00:39:01.400 went and

00:39:02.360 committed

00:39:03.920 jihad in

00:39:05.140 the name

00:39:05.600 of Muhammad.

00:39:07.480 and we

00:39:09.540 have a duty

00:39:10.160 to our

00:39:11.060 fellow citizens

00:39:11.800 to make

00:39:12.380 sure that

00:39:13.560 these guys

00:39:14.160 cannot be

00:39:14.820 used for

00:39:15.680 propaganda

00:39:16.280 purposes to

00:39:17.160 motivate others

00:39:18.120 to commit

00:39:19.020 acts of terror

00:39:19.900 whether it's

00:39:20.520 here,

00:39:21.000 whether it's

00:39:21.400 in Europe

00:39:21.860 or whether

00:39:22.740 it's against

00:39:23.580 the Canadian

00:39:24.100 armed forces

00:39:24.800 in Iraq

00:39:25.440 or in

00:39:26.100 Mali for

00:39:26.580 that matter.

00:39:27.480 Yeah.

00:39:28.000 Well this is

00:39:28.900 terrifying.

00:39:29.520 I have to tell

00:39:30.020 you I'm a

00:39:30.360 pessimist on

00:39:30.920 this, Lee.

00:39:31.300 I believe that

00:39:31.960 this Muhammad 0.97

00:39:32.500 Ali will come 1.00

00:39:33.140 back to Canada.

00:39:34.060 I believe he

00:39:34.620 will be made

00:39:35.200 a millionaire

00:39:35.640 and I

00:39:36.420 believe he

00:39:36.880 will be

00:39:37.460 put on

00:39:38.240 an honored

00:39:38.860 speaking circuit

00:39:40.500 and I think

00:39:41.040 all of those

00:39:41.460 things will

00:39:41.800 happen if

00:39:42.240 Justin Trudeau

00:39:43.720 is re-elected.

00:39:44.520 So I think

00:39:45.360 that's just

00:39:46.120 how it is.

00:39:46.800 I'm sorry I

00:39:47.380 could keep

00:39:47.640 going on this

00:39:48.180 for a while

00:39:48.540 but it would

00:39:49.020 just be me

00:39:49.480 ranting.

00:39:50.760 Lee, great to

00:39:51.180 see you.

00:39:51.460 Thanks for

00:39:51.780 fighting the

00:39:52.140 good fight

00:39:52.460 as you

00:39:52.680 always did.

00:39:53.100 You fought

00:39:53.360 the fight

00:39:53.680 in the

00:39:53.880 battlefield

00:39:54.180 and now

00:39:54.620 you're

00:39:54.780 fighting the

00:39:55.160 fight in

00:39:55.420 the court

00:39:55.680 of a

00:39:55.880 public

00:39:56.100 opinion.

00:39:56.540 Thank you

00:39:56.780 for that.

00:39:58.060 Thank you

00:39:58.540 Ezra and

00:39:58.960 you're spot

00:39:59.400 on in your

00:39:59.840 assessment.

00:40:00.260 Alright, there

00:40:01.480 you have it.

00:40:01.840 That's Lee

00:40:02.220 Humphrey and

00:40:02.840 by the way

00:40:03.420 he'll be one

00:40:04.320 of our

00:40:04.580 speakers at

00:40:05.360 The Rebel

00:40:05.820 Live in

00:40:06.680 Calgary on

00:40:07.880 Saturday,

00:40:08.640 November 10th.

00:40:09.480 We've also

00:40:10.120 invited a

00:40:10.880 range of

00:40:11.240 other speakers

00:40:11.720 from Lindsay

00:40:12.560 Shepard, the

00:40:13.080 free speech

00:40:13.540 activist.

00:40:14.940 We've invited

00:40:15.380 Andrew Scheer,

00:40:16.400 the leader of

00:40:17.020 the Federal

00:40:17.400 Conservative Party

00:40:18.120 and Jason

00:40:18.600 Kenney, the

00:40:19.340 leader of the

00:40:19.800 United Conservative

00:40:20.540 Party provincially.

00:40:21.660 We've also

00:40:22.140 invited Maxime

00:40:22.920 Bernier federally

00:40:24.260 and he has

00:40:24.820 RSVP'd.

00:40:25.520 We'll keep

00:40:25.780 you posted on

00:40:26.380 that.

00:40:27.000 For more

00:40:27.260 details go to

00:40:28.000 therebelllive.com.

00:40:29.620 Stay with

00:40:30.140 us.

00:40:30.880 More ahead

00:40:31.320 on the

00:40:31.540 rough.

00:40:43.560 Welcome

00:40:44.120 back.

00:40:44.440 On my

00:40:44.640 monologue

00:40:44.960 yesterday about

00:40:45.540 leftist violence

00:40:46.420 in lawless

00:40:47.120 liberal America,

00:40:47.840 Peter writes,

00:40:49.540 the Antifa

00:40:50.200 violent types

00:40:51.280 want to tear

00:40:52.000 down our

00:40:52.420 society.

00:40:52.880 They depend

00:40:53.260 upon our

00:40:54.320 cultural civility

00:40:55.440 to enact

00:40:56.000 their violence.

00:40:57.320 Well, there's

00:40:58.340 some truth

00:40:58.820 there.

00:40:59.120 I think

00:40:59.720 they are

00:41:00.980 like babies

00:41:01.560 and they're

00:41:01.960 looking for

00:41:02.400 limits.

00:41:02.800 I mean, you

00:41:03.020 know how

00:41:03.300 babies are

00:41:04.160 and even

00:41:04.360 kids and

00:41:04.920 I suppose

00:41:05.120 grown-ups

00:41:05.520 too.

00:41:05.940 They want

00:41:06.300 to know

00:41:06.460 what the

00:41:06.660 limit is

00:41:07.000 and so

00:41:07.260 they keep

00:41:07.560 pushing and

00:41:08.040 pushing to

00:41:08.400 see what

00:41:08.660 they get

00:41:09.300 away with.

00:41:09.860 I think

00:41:10.080 they like

00:41:10.600 speaking ill

00:41:12.000 against the

00:41:12.500 man and

00:41:13.000 defying

00:41:13.420 authority.

00:41:14.540 But I

00:41:14.800 think it's

00:41:15.700 also, and I

00:41:16.460 think I

00:41:16.660 mentioned this

00:41:17.080 yesterday, that

00:41:18.800 happened in

00:41:19.320 Portland.

00:41:20.380 It wouldn't

00:41:21.140 happen in

00:41:22.220 Dallas, Texas

00:41:23.400 because

00:41:24.680 conservatives are

00:41:26.240 generally a

00:41:27.480 little bit more

00:41:27.940 physical and

00:41:28.720 tough.

00:41:29.120 And gun

00:41:29.720 owning and

00:41:30.240 gun shooting.

00:41:30.980 So I think

00:41:31.400 that's what

00:41:31.740 happens when

00:41:32.900 everyone says

00:41:33.580 this is going

00:41:34.020 to be a

00:41:34.360 peaceful,

00:41:34.900 harmonious

00:41:35.400 place.

00:41:36.460 But one

00:41:37.460 group of

00:41:37.960 people says,

00:41:38.860 well, we're

00:41:39.160 not.

00:41:40.360 Unfortunately, that

00:41:41.160 makes other

00:41:41.600 people toughen up

00:41:42.360 too.

00:41:43.160 I don't want a 1.00

00:41:44.720 civil war in

00:41:45.360 America.

00:41:45.840 It will be

00:41:46.240 brutal.

00:41:46.900 But these

00:41:47.720 lefty, vegan,

00:41:50.600 anti-foot types

00:41:51.640 would be crushed

00:41:52.820 by the good old

00:41:53.760 boys.

00:41:54.080 It's just a

00:41:54.800 fact.

00:41:56.860 Alberta

00:41:57.200 Maga writes,

00:41:59.540 funny how

00:41:59.920 these clowns

00:42:00.440 love the

00:42:00.780 courts when

00:42:01.220 they are full

00:42:01.600 of liberal

00:42:01.980 judges.

00:42:04.240 Now, I'm

00:42:04.820 not sure.

00:42:05.380 Oh, you're

00:42:05.740 talking about

00:42:07.380 Brett Kavanaugh.

00:42:09.720 Well, absolutely,

00:42:10.620 yeah.

00:42:11.760 One thing I

00:42:12.760 like about the

00:42:13.600 United States

00:42:14.120 that I wish we

00:42:14.860 had here in

00:42:15.460 Canada is

00:42:16.840 they have a

00:42:17.280 healthy

00:42:17.680 disrespect for

00:42:19.700 the court.

00:42:20.000 Now, they

00:42:20.240 respect the

00:42:20.820 court.

00:42:21.040 We talked

00:42:21.840 yesterday about

00:42:22.420 the gorgeous

00:42:22.960 13-ton bronze

00:42:25.240 doors, and I

00:42:27.120 encourage you to

00:42:27.680 look that up.

00:42:28.140 It's a very

00:42:28.600 interesting piece

00:42:29.600 of history and

00:42:30.680 philosophy.

00:42:31.240 Those doors are

00:42:31.840 very symbolic.

00:42:33.580 We ought to

00:42:34.220 respect the

00:42:34.800 courts, and in

00:42:35.280 a way we have

00:42:35.620 to love the

00:42:36.040 courts.

00:42:38.000 But we should

00:42:38.820 disrespect the

00:42:39.540 people in it

00:42:40.300 just enough.

00:42:41.080 And what I mean

00:42:41.460 by that is they

00:42:42.160 are not high

00:42:42.980 priests, they're

00:42:43.820 not wizards,

00:42:44.960 they're not morally

00:42:45.720 superior to you

00:42:46.620 or I.

00:42:47.300 They are people

00:42:47.840 entrusted with

00:42:48.840 powers, occupying a

00:42:50.660 high office, but

00:42:51.640 they themselves

00:42:52.260 are not gods.

00:42:54.480 And we know

00:42:55.240 this because we

00:42:55.960 put them through

00:42:56.560 a grinding,

00:42:57.560 grilling nomination

00:42:59.060 and confirmation

00:42:59.760 in the United

00:43:00.460 States, but we

00:43:01.440 don't do that in

00:43:02.180 Canada, do we?

00:43:04.480 In Canada, you're

00:43:05.380 basically told by

00:43:06.100 the prime minister

00:43:06.640 who the judge is.

00:43:07.260 You're told.

00:43:08.420 They have a

00:43:09.180 symbolic Q&A,

00:43:11.000 gentle Q&A session

00:43:12.060 for about an hour

00:43:12.840 in Parliament.

00:43:13.880 No one asks

00:43:14.520 anything tough.

00:43:15.080 There's no time

00:43:15.600 for background

00:43:16.060 checks.

00:43:16.700 No one would

00:43:17.140 dare bring

00:43:18.020 allegations as

00:43:18.860 were brought

00:43:19.180 against Brett

00:43:19.640 Kavanaugh.

00:43:20.660 It's all an

00:43:22.920 inside job in

00:43:24.120 Canada.

00:43:25.600 And when the

00:43:26.580 Supreme Court in

00:43:27.160 Canada issues a

00:43:27.940 ruling of extreme

00:43:29.860 social importance,

00:43:31.280 for example,

00:43:32.160 saying the

00:43:32.680 Trans Mountain

00:43:33.160 Pipeline is not

00:43:33.860 going to go ahead

00:43:34.380 because the

00:43:35.540 hundreds of days

00:43:36.440 of consultation

00:43:37.060 with Aboriginal

00:43:37.640 people, it

00:43:38.420 needed to be

00:43:38.840 200 days or

00:43:39.820 whatever.

00:43:40.840 Oh, well, the

00:43:41.380 Supreme Court

00:43:41.840 said so, so

00:43:42.620 there's no...

00:43:43.200 I mean, you saw

00:43:43.760 that the other

00:43:44.180 day when Premier

00:43:45.540 Doug Ford used

00:43:46.280 the notwithstanding

00:43:46.920 clause to shake

00:43:48.800 away a radical

00:43:49.880 judge.

00:43:50.300 How dare you?

00:43:51.600 Those judges

00:43:52.180 are saints.

00:43:52.740 No, they're not.

00:43:54.100 That's what I mean.

00:43:54.840 I think we ought

00:43:55.300 to respect any

00:43:55.940 person as we

00:43:56.940 would respect

00:43:57.360 any person.

00:43:58.280 We definitely

00:43:58.820 ought to respect

00:43:59.320 the office of

00:44:00.000 the courts and

00:44:00.740 the law itself.

00:44:02.460 But I think the

00:44:03.560 people who occupy

00:44:05.360 those offices,

00:44:06.180 especially the more

00:44:06.840 political they get,

00:44:07.740 they deserve the

00:44:08.840 same reaction from

00:44:10.360 us that we give to

00:44:11.040 other branches of

00:44:11.780 the government like

00:44:12.680 our elected

00:44:13.260 politicians.

00:44:14.920 On my interview

00:44:15.540 with David Menzies,

00:44:16.520 Marty writes,

00:44:18.140 David said in the

00:44:18.680 interview that he

00:44:19.180 would have liked to

00:44:20.020 have seen a person

00:44:20.920 with a patriotic view

00:44:22.140 and denounce

00:44:22.580 the real law.

00:44:23.100 David, I have news

00:44:24.060 for you, there is

00:44:24.500 no patriotism left

00:44:25.420 in our Canada.

00:44:27.300 Well, I think that's

00:44:28.040 wrong.

00:44:28.940 I know there is

00:44:29.600 patriotism.

00:44:30.600 I see it gently

00:44:31.700 sometimes, whether it's

00:44:32.620 just a Canadian flag.

00:44:34.180 I see it deeply

00:44:35.100 sometimes.

00:44:37.040 Visit a Legion

00:44:37.800 Hall, you'll see it.

00:44:39.000 But I think you're

00:44:39.660 right, it's been

00:44:40.120 chased out of the

00:44:40.800 public arena.

00:44:41.440 I mean, for God's

00:44:41.880 sakes, we just

00:44:42.320 stripped a statue of

00:44:43.820 John A. MacDonald

00:44:44.400 down from the

00:44:45.120 City Hall in

00:44:45.740 Victoria, and

00:44:46.780 Justin Trudeau just

00:44:47.720 took John A. MacDonald

00:44:48.540 off your $10 bill,

00:44:49.640 and I didn't hear

00:44:50.220 squawk anywhere.

00:44:51.180 To be candid, we

00:44:51.800 didn't even squawk

00:44:52.500 about it.

00:44:54.220 Dan writes,

00:44:55.800 please stop doing

00:44:56.440 such wonderful

00:44:57.000 things with my

00:44:57.580 donation money that

00:44:58.360 make me very happy.

00:45:00.140 At some point, I'd

00:45:00.900 like to blow it on 0.72

00:45:01.520 a case of beer or

00:45:02.160 some magic beans

00:45:03.000 instead of your

00:45:03.860 plethora of worthy

00:45:04.640 causes.

00:45:05.300 Yes, this is satire.

00:45:06.260 Thanks so much for

00:45:06.820 putting Rebel

00:45:07.580 supporters' donation

00:45:08.320 money to such good

00:45:09.040 use.

00:45:09.560 Well, thanks very

00:45:10.140 much, Dan, and I

00:45:11.220 think you might be

00:45:11.920 talking about the

00:45:12.640 truck that David did,

00:45:14.120 that Linda Sars

00:45:14.880 to a truck.

00:45:15.900 Who knows?

00:45:16.720 We do different

00:45:17.480 projects all the

00:45:18.180 time.

00:45:18.960 Some of them are

00:45:19.500 tiny.

00:45:20.780 Some of them are

00:45:21.280 big.

00:45:22.080 Some of them fail.

00:45:23.040 Let's be honest.

00:45:23.700 Some of them don't

00:45:24.320 work.

00:45:24.920 We've probably done

00:45:25.600 100 projects in the

00:45:27.140 three and a half years

00:45:27.800 we've been around here.

00:45:28.580 I'd say that's about

00:45:29.280 right.

00:45:29.580 One every 10 days.

00:45:30.620 We're trying to do

00:45:33.000 some in the UK.

00:45:33.920 We even did some in

00:45:34.740 Australia way back. 0.89

00:45:35.840 We did one or two in

00:45:37.040 America.

00:45:38.520 You know, journalist

00:45:40.300 advocacy, advocacy

00:45:41.380 journalism, a little bit

00:45:42.480 of troublemaking, a little

00:45:43.480 bit of mucking things up.

00:45:45.000 This petition that Tommy's

00:45:46.380 doing with us,

00:45:47.920 StandWithOurLabs.com,

00:45:49.260 100,000 people sign that

00:45:51.280 in 24 hours.

00:45:52.460 That tells me that we're

00:45:53.400 meeting a demand.

00:45:54.580 People can't get that

00:45:55.660 action anywhere else,

00:45:56.500 certainly not from the

00:45:57.180 state broadcaster, either

00:45:58.500 the CBC here or the BBC

00:45:59.960 there.

00:46:00.340 So thank you for your

00:46:01.360 kind words and thank you

00:46:02.360 for chipping into our

00:46:03.520 projects.

00:46:04.000 Hopefully you have found

00:46:05.280 them meaningful and it

00:46:06.020 sounds like you have.

00:46:07.960 That's our show for today.

00:46:09.060 Until tomorrow, on behalf

00:46:10.500 of all of us here at

00:46:11.180 Rebel World Headquarters,

00:46:12.040 see you at home.

00:46:12.800 Good night and keep

00:46:14.100 fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - October 10, 2018

British soldier fired for standing next to Tommy Robinson

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