Rebel News Podcast - Canada's Elections Commissioner gives up chasing an Internet rumour, after spending millions of tax dollars trying

00:00:00.000 Hey Rebels, what do you think fake news is? I think it's in the eye of the beholder, but

00:00:04.440 the government of Canada thinks that they should investigate anything on the internet that's just

00:00:09.160 not quite right. Well, it's a crazy story I got for you today. I'll let you hear it because it's

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00:00:51.800 Tonight, the federal elections commissioner gives up chasing an internet rumor after spending millions

00:00:57.400 of tax dollars trying. Why did he do it? It's July 19th and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:05.040 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:08.800 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:12.880 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my

00:01:17.480 bloody right to do so.

00:01:23.120 I want to tell you a ridiculous story so obviously it's about Trudeau's government. I want to tell you

00:01:28.880 about some fool's errand, a wild goose chase of some bureaucrats spending your money to track down

00:01:34.480 what was obviously a joke, a rumor on the internet. It reminds me of this classic cartoon headlined

00:01:40.960 duty calls. Someone out of frame, as in his wife, says, are you coming to bed? And the man at the

00:01:48.060 computer says, I can't. This is important. And she says, what? And he says, someone is wrong on the

00:01:54.480 internet. That's pretty funny because it's so true and you will never be done correcting what's wrong

00:02:01.660 on the internet. And you yourself are probably, in someone else's view, the wrong one. And you need

00:02:08.080 to be corrected. And that's the beauty of being a free person. You can disagree. But the liberals

00:02:12.480 tried to hunt down someone who was wrong on the internet. And it didn't work out very well for

00:02:18.300 them or you and me, the taxpayers. Look at this headline from my favorite independent news source

00:02:22.880 in Ottawa called Black Locks. Fake news probe collapses. The federal commissioner of elections

00:02:30.960 yesterday collapsed a first ever fake news investigation. The office confirmed foreign individuals

00:02:37.220 planted a false story to discredit new Democrat leader Jagmeet Singh, but could not find out who

00:02:43.280 was responsible or why. Fake news. I love that word when I use it. And I hate it when others use it.

00:02:51.220 Which is what everyone says, because of course, we all think that we know what's real news.

00:02:55.980 Our point of view is usually what we're talking about. And we all know what's fake. Our opponent's

00:03:00.740 point of view. And they say the same about us. It's just a pejorative way of pointing out

00:03:04.880 a difference of opinion most of the time. I mean, sometimes news really is fake. And we can all

00:03:10.380 agree that it's fake. Before the age of the internet, we got our fake news in the form of

00:03:14.800 supermarket tabloids. Look at this one. Look at these. Literally fake news. Often hilarious

00:03:21.160 fiction posing as fact. Bigfoot. Conspiracy theories. Outright jokes. Alien Bible found. Photoshop

00:03:28.380 pictures. Outrageous allegations. I'm not quite sure why those tabloids did so well.

00:03:34.880 Did people actually believe them? Did they just read them for a laugh? Were they an escapist

00:03:40.860 fantasy? I don't know. But my point in mentioning them is hopefully obvious. We all survived as a

00:03:47.400 society with those supermarket tabloids. And you know what? No one denounced them or banned them or

00:03:54.640 deplatformed them. There were no campaigns to have supermarkets ban the tabloids. We didn't have

00:03:59.960 government investigations of those fake news. We all laughed at them. Some of us bought them.

00:04:06.500 Must be if they lasted for so long. No big deal. So why shouldn't it be allowed? I mean, I suppose

00:04:13.460 there might be some defamation. I suppose calling a president an alien from Mars or you saw that Dick

00:04:18.600 Janie's a robot. Maybe that's technically defamation. But really, who would care? No one

00:04:23.680 would ever sue. Elvis Presley spotted on Mars, people. But look, this is from a UK tabloid called

00:04:30.260 the Daily Star. But now it's on the internet too, obviously. So is that fake news? Well, yeah. But

00:04:36.220 look, it's an entertainment, right? I mean, it's goofy. It's obviously not really Elvis. I don't think

00:04:40.860 they were actually pretending it was Elvis. They're just pointing out something in a photo that looked

00:04:44.560 like Elvis if you squinted hard enough. That's goofy. Slightly less goofy, but still goofy and fake

00:04:52.300 are the lobbyist panels on CBC and CTV. They literally pay lobbyists to come on TV to talk

00:05:01.960 about politics. They have a conservative lobbyist and a liberal lobbyist, all the lobbyists to debate,

00:05:06.600 but those lobbyists never disclose who their clients are. So it's not real political commentary.

00:05:11.440 It's fake. They're, I don't know, promoting their clients or their clients' interests, or

00:05:15.240 they're sucking up to the government to get access for their lobbying clients, or they're just

00:05:18.900 advertising to prospective clients about how connected they are to get more clients. I actually

00:05:23.040 think those lobbyist panels on the CBC state broadcaster and the CBC CTV wannabe state broadcaster

00:05:28.940 are just as fake news as the Elvis story. But that's the nature of the internet. It's wild. It's

00:05:34.280 unregulated. But we're used to that as people. Have you ever seen a bulletin board in a

00:05:38.600 public community center or a college campus, or even on the wall of a local coffee shop?

00:05:43.820 You have everything and anything posted there, from guitar lessons to meetings of political

00:05:47.920 groups to little rants about life? It's unregulated. It's natural. It's human. And we love it. And if

00:05:52.340 we don't, we ignore it. So what? So fake news is as old as the printing press. It's older,

00:05:56.580 of course. Fake news can be oral, too. I remember reading stories about censorship in the medieval

00:06:01.680 ages. And people were actually prosecuted for telling jokes about aristocrats. That could

00:06:06.580 actually happen today. I recall one case, though, where someone who was prosecuted for laughing at

00:06:11.040 a joke. That's pretty interesting. And the Human Rights Commission's are bringing that back.

00:06:15.680 I was doing all that research when I was investigated by the Human Rights Commission.

00:06:18.840 My point is, you know, we can handle freedom, but the urge to censor is centuries millennia old.

00:06:24.960 Can you give me one more minute on fake news in the edge of the internet before I get to the news

00:06:28.000 today? I mean, underneath that Daily Star story I showed you about Elvis on Mars,

00:06:31.720 it was an editorial story. That was written by a journalist, right? And you can see the pictures

00:06:38.480 that they say is Elvis on Mars. It's funny. But you see there's a bunch of ads, obviously,

00:06:43.500 lots of ads on the right-hand side there. And these are ads now. Those ads, that's an ad.

00:06:52.120 They're pretty well targeted. They know who their customer is, people looking for unusual news,

00:06:59.220 right? So look at that photo of Air Force One. Now, you know that's a fake, right? I mean,

00:07:03.820 you know that. Air Force One was never put on a barge like that. But who wouldn't want to look at

00:07:09.040 that fun picture? That's sort of goofy. Did that happen? And here's a story about celebrities,

00:07:14.640 and there's something about Ontario pensioners. And there's all these, you know, it's a UK tabloid,

00:07:18.860 but they can tell that when I went there, I was from Ontario. So they personalized their ads for

00:07:24.100 Ontarians like me. It's weird and wonderful, and it's full of BS. And I bet it all gets clicks,

00:07:28.460 whether for laughs or curiosity or boredom or whatever. You know that Air Force One was not

00:07:32.120 on a barge like that. Here's the Daily Mail, another great UK tabloid. I could do this with

00:07:36.280 Canadian papers too, US websites, but the Brits are the best at tabloids. This story here is hilarious.

00:07:42.040 It's about a shaggy dog that went paddling. I mean, that's not even news, people. But so what?

00:07:47.680 It's fun to look at. And scroll down, look at the ads underneath. It's a story about a shaggy dog.

00:07:53.060 But the website must know I'm Canadian because it has these terrifying pictures of Celine Dion.

00:07:59.300 But can you see? That's an ad. Now, is that photoshopped? Or is that real? Does it really

00:08:06.740 matter? I mean, is it news or is it an ad? Some of these stories are news. Some are marked as ads.

00:08:11.440 This is an ad. But they're all fun, I think. None are really serious. It's supermarket tabloids.

00:08:16.040 It's your right to read them. If you don't want junk food like that, you can eat your spinach

00:08:20.360 and read just the New York Times or the other proper papers. But don't think you won't be

00:08:24.360 getting their spin and their choice of weird stuff too. It's wonderful and terrible to have so many

00:08:29.400 choices. And it's better to have those choices than to have the government choose for you. And

00:08:34.080 thank you for listening to me talk about fake news for a while because I want to show you

00:08:37.460 an ad, a junk ad, like the ones I've been showing you, like those junk ads about Celine Dion.

00:08:42.340 Now, the junk ad I'm about to show you appeared in the independent newspaper in the UK, which

00:08:47.180 I think is actually a fairly snobby, reputable newspaper. It's not a supermarket tabloid.

00:08:52.700 I think I'd call it serious, actually. It's leftist, of course, but they all are over there.

00:08:57.220 So it's a real story on the left there. But on the right, do you see that picture? Those

00:09:01.700 pictures are all ads, right? You can see the credit card ad. But in the middle, it's an ad.

00:09:07.300 And it's marked as an ad, but it shows Jagmeet Singh with the yellow turban on. And he's a very

00:09:12.360 handsome man. And it says, Jagmeet Singh shows off his new mansion. Now, it's not actually true. If

00:09:20.920 you click through that, it didn't actually show you his mansion. It was a tabloid story. It was fake,

00:09:28.060 like the Elvis story. It was clever, though, because it only served up that ad to Canadians,

00:09:32.400 even though it was a UK newspaper. Had it been a reader from Italy, I don't know, maybe it would 0.99

00:09:35.780 replace Singh with some Italian politics. He was just trying to get you to click.

00:09:40.100 Now, saying that Jagmeet Singh had a new mansion, and they actually showed a picture of a mansion

00:09:44.300 that wasn't his, and they claimed it was, that's not really a crime. It's not really defamation

00:09:50.320 either, other than maybe some people would say, hey, Jagmeet Singh, you're a socialist,

00:09:54.780 but you're a hypocrite living in a $5 million mansion. But, you know, in fact, he really is 0.78

00:10:00.860 rich and glamorous. He's a millionaire, and he's married to a millionaire. And here's a story in

00:10:06.720 Toronto Life magazine, and I'm just going to quote, he owns two Rolex watches, an Oyster Perpetual

00:10:14.520 Datejust, and a Submariner. Both were gifts. A crimson BMW coupe, and six designer bicycles.

00:10:22.060 I have just an absurd number of bikes, he said, more than one person should have.

00:10:26.780 Singh has become one of the city's most devoted partygoers, a regular at King West nightspots

00:10:33.540 and gala fundraisers, at fashion shows and Raptors games. He's a jet setter. I mean,

00:10:39.480 these are pictures. Here he is having himself photographed shopping in Europe. So yeah,

00:10:45.640 it was fake news about the mansion, but it's true that he's rich, and he's a show-off, and he's a

00:10:50.800 clothes horse, and he loves designer bicycles. But the bikes are just for show. He drives a

00:10:57.060 fancy BMW. So right now you're thinking, okay, so what? Me too. So what? Okay, so someone is wrong

00:11:05.520 on the internet. I can't come to bed. You see, someone's wrong on the internet. You know, someone

00:11:11.180 said he has a fancy mansion, but it's actually not $5 million. It's $2 million or whatever it is,

00:11:17.720 but he's got a BMW. I mean, you're not going to correct everything on the internet.

00:11:22.140 But Justin Trudeau's election commission actually, get this, get this, get this.

00:11:27.180 They actually engaged in an international manhunt for the people who put up that fake news ad and

00:11:33.640 others about Jagmeet Singh like it. It was an international manhunt of the kind that chased

00:11:38.680 Pablo Escobar. Here, let me read from the CBC story at the time. They were really excited

00:11:43.320 about this manhunt, and I'll tell you why in a few minutes. NDP asks elections watchdog to

00:11:51.100 investigate slanderous ads targeting Singh. Ad claims NDP leader owns a multi-million dollar

00:11:56.100 mansion. By the way, the average house in Toronto costs a million dollars, I hate to say.

00:12:02.040 Now, for some reason, they didn't ask Elections Canada to investigate that big show-off article

00:12:08.240 in Toronto Life where he boasts about his BMW and his jet-setting lifestyle. So I guess that wasn't

00:12:12.660 slanderous. Let me read some more. The NDP is asking Canada's election watchdog to immediately

00:12:17.440 launch an investigation after a series of ads claiming Jagmeet Singh lived in a multi-million

00:12:22.720 dollar mansion popped up online in the lead-up to the Burnaby South by-election later this month.

00:12:28.360 As the TIE first reported, an ad claiming Singh owns a $5.5 million mansion ran below a story in

00:12:33.420 the Vancouver Courier, a community newspaper. That link took articles to an article titled

00:12:38.360 13 Super Luxurious Celebrity Houses. They surely know how to spend their fortune on the website

00:12:44.180 Attorney Cocktail. Oh, okay. Now, folks, just a professional tip from a friend. If you're getting

00:12:52.260 your information about the world from a website called Attorney Cocktail, that might be your first

00:12:58.640 clue that you're just getting junk. Let me read some more in a letter to Commissioner of Elections,

00:13:04.360 Yves Coté. The NDP's Director of Operations, Jesse Streen Calvert, writes that the parter is very

00:13:10.060 concerned about the slanderous ads and asks Coté to investigate possible breaches of the Election Act.

00:13:15.860 These patently false statements are damaging to our leader, our party brand, and most importantly,

00:13:20.440 threaten the free and fair election currently underway, reads the letter obtained by CBC News. I wonder

00:13:25.080 how they got that. These advertisements are clearly false and are intended to affect the outcome of

00:13:30.760 the upcoming election. Yeah, no. I think the reason Jagmeet Singh is going to lose the next election

00:13:37.360 is because he's a socialist and he's empty and he's always under-informed. He's terrible in interviews.

00:13:44.980 He's always vague and wishy-washy about so many things. The only things he's passionate about are the

00:13:49.420 ones he's most wrong about. He wants to shut down the oil sands. He's unpopular or wrong. He's a weak

00:13:54.760 campaigner. And he's a radical leftist. And that's why he's going to lose. Not because a website called

00:13:59.680 Attorney Cocktail had some clickbait ad with a picture of a handsome Jagmeet Singh and a slightly

00:14:07.720 provocative headline. But still, this was big news to the left. A left-wing lobby group called the

00:14:13.400 Thai. Now, they would call themselves a news site, but I know that they're funded by the

00:14:17.460 Thai Foundation. So to me, they're about as credible as a supermarket tabloid, but they

00:14:22.600 think they're the New York Times. You see how this works. So they were really excited about this

00:14:27.040 investigation. I'll tell you why in a moment. Here's what they reported a few months back. They

00:14:32.000 said, the commissioner responsible for ensuring the Elections Act is followed has been investigating

00:14:36.900 the origins of the ad for months. According to the website Blackbox Reporter, which shared documents

00:14:41.560 has obtained in the Freedom of Information request with the Thai. The documents show investigators

00:14:46.340 sought a judicial order requiring Taboola, the company that hosted the ad that appeared on the

00:14:50.720 website to the Vancouver Courier, the Independent, the History Channel, and likely others, to produce

00:14:55.940 information about the advertiser and campaign. But it wasn't a political ad, people. It just used a

00:15:03.480 political name and a handsome picture as clickbait just to get you to go to their site. It's just to

00:15:08.520 drive ad revenue. It wasn't a campaign ad. And the ad was brokered through different ad server

00:15:13.700 companies. It wasn't an attempt to influence the election. It was an attempt to get bored people to

00:15:18.200 click on a handsome picture and throw some mansion talk around. But our government spent months trying

00:15:23.820 to track it down in foreign lands. And hey, good luck with that, guys. I got a few other things on

00:15:30.740 the internet. Maybe you can help me chase down. So they finally gave up. And here's today's story

00:15:34.560 from Black Locks, which has done great reporting on this. They say, the federal commissioner of

00:15:39.440 elections yesterday collapsed a first ever fake news investigation. I told you that. The office

00:15:43.920 confirmed foreign individuals planted false, a false story to discredit. New Democrat leader

00:15:49.000 Jagmeet Singh, but could not find out who was responsible or why. Individuals outside Canada

00:15:54.220 played a key role in the creation and dissemination of the advertising, wrote Milen Gijoux, director of

00:15:59.960 investigations for the commissioner. However, despite our best efforts, it has not been possible

00:16:04.140 to determine the identity of the person or entity that paid for the advertising. I'm just going to read a

00:16:09.040 little bit more. M.P. Singh earlier complained the investigation appeared slow, though cabinet

00:16:14.900 proposed to spend millions to combat a feared influx of fake internet postings and foreign meddling

00:16:21.020 in the October 21st general election. What we're seeing right now is not strong enough, Singh told

00:16:24.880 reporters. It's not satisfactory in terms of making sure people know their news is reliable. We've got to do

00:16:29.840 better. Just one more line. There was an attempt to interfere in a way with that by-election, said Singh.

00:16:35.920 The measures being put forward are not as robust or as strong as Canadians expect and need. We need

00:16:40.720 to strengthen that with harsher penalties, stronger oversight, and a much more active way to actually

00:16:45.280 tackle fake news. I'm not coming to bed tonight, honey. There is someone wrong on the internet.

00:16:53.760 Say, do you really think that little ad, probably seen by maybe a few hundred Canadians,

00:16:58.560 probably not seen by a single person in that little by-election area. Do you really think that's

00:17:06.900 why, I mean, just to pick another by-election, do you really think that's why Jagmeet Singh's NDB

00:17:10.720 came in third in the Nanaimo by-election? Do you think maybe that's why? Do you think you could find

00:17:16.360 a single Nanaimoite who recalls seeing that ad, let alone says it caused them to change their vote?

00:17:21.880 No, that's making excuses like Hillary Clinton did for why she lost Wisconsin and thus the 1.00

00:17:26.560 presidency. But why is everyone so excited about this? Why is everyone pretending that the 2019

00:17:31.840 version of those supermarket tabloids is so important? Why is the NDP, the Tides Foundation

00:17:37.440 funded TIE newspaper, see, I call them fake news. They'd call me fake news. Vive la différence.

00:17:42.420 Why is the liberal election commissioner, why are they all so hung-ho, gung-ho, about investigating

00:17:47.100 someone who was wrong on the internet, about hunting down a website called Attorney Cocktail?

00:17:52.840 Oh my God, all the kids are going to Attorney Cocktail to learn about Nulana. Well, I think

00:17:58.400 it's obvious, right? They're not worried about Attorney Cocktail. They're not worried about

00:18:02.840 supermarket tabloids talking about Elvis, fake news. What they're doing is they want to normalize

00:18:08.680 censorship, normalize the government going on hunts for who said what and for the government to

00:18:13.900 determine what's politically acceptable and not. And they don't care about a claim that Jagmeet Singh

00:18:20.100 lives in a $5 million mansion. He probably does, by the way. He's a rich clothes horse who rubs his

00:18:26.740 money in your face every day. He's got a BMW and you don't. He has custom-made suits and you don't.

00:18:33.560 Yeah, he's not embarrassed by his wealth. He brags about it. He's not worried about people saying he's

00:18:39.520 got a $5 million house. He probably is thrilled about that. But he and Trudeau and most of the

00:18:47.280 media, by the way, what they do care about is they care about the idea of creating scares about

00:18:52.980 unregulated ideas on the internet. They love creating a moral panic about online news, about fake news,

00:18:59.080 because once it's normalized for Trudeau's handpick appointees to investigate and prosecute people who

00:19:05.700 are just wrong on the internet in the name of political hygiene, well, hey, who do you think

00:19:10.580 they're going to go after? I'm not talking about defamation or crimes. We already have laws for those.

00:19:15.960 I'm talking about this new Trudeau-appointed partisan elections officer, a political cop,

00:19:20.840 going after things he says are fake. They don't care about attorney cocktail.

00:19:27.640 They care about censoring your Facebook posts, your Twitter posts. They care about conservative

00:19:32.860 websites like our friends at TNC.news or the Post Millennial or about Canada Proud or the Rebel.

00:19:42.380 That's what this is about. They're warming up attorney cocktail. They're coming for me

00:19:50.820 and then they're coming for you. Stay with us for more.

00:20:10.340 Welcome back. Well, sometimes troubled people indulge in fantasies and that's fine. Sometimes they

00:20:16.040 say there's something they're not. That's fine. I could say I'm the king of Spain. Doesn't make it so.

00:20:21.180 Sometimes fellas say they're girls and you know what? It doesn't bother me. I don't want to pick on 0.62

00:20:28.360 someone who has challenges in life, thinks they're a woman trapped in a man's body. Until very recently,

00:20:35.560 that was called a mental illness until a small political committee of the American Psychiatric

00:20:40.360 Association decided otherwise in a vote. I didn't know medicine was decided by votes. But since then,

00:20:47.320 there's been an explosion in transgenderism. And again, my point of view is that these folks are very 0.63

00:20:53.840 troubled. In fact, various studies show that men who are transitioning to become women, when they finish

00:21:03.300 that transition, either through surgery or through hormones and chemicals, it does not stop the

00:21:10.040 problems. And in fact, the suicide rate for transgenders, male to female, is about 50 percent and it grows to

00:21:16.700 60 percent, the attempted suicide rate. They find no comfort in having mutilated themselves with the aid of

00:21:25.080 doctors and the political system. I tell you all this because of a terrible thing that's been happening

00:21:31.360 in Vancouver. A man named Jonathan Yaniv decided that he was in fact a woman and that he would call

00:21:38.300 himself Jessica Yaniv. But he still has his twig and berries, or at least his berries. And as so many

00:21:46.220 transgender men do, they want to prove to the world that they are in fact women. And they prove it by 0.96

00:21:54.120 forcing other people to confirm that they're women. There was a terrible case at the Vancouver Rape

00:22:01.360 Relief Institute where a transitioned man, transgender man, said, I demand to be allowed

00:22:08.800 access to the rape shelter to counsel rape victims. I demanded. And he sued them because he knew that

00:22:17.140 was a place men were not allowed. And it was a form of therapy for him to have access to the real women

00:22:24.180 because then he would have proof that he was a real woman. I'm sorry, that's mental illness and that's 0.78

00:22:29.300 abuse. Back to Jonathan Yaniv. He has a strange hobby of calling up estheticians, women who wax the

00:22:40.480 genitalia of other women. It's a girl thing. And signing up for appointments. And then after he has an 0.98

00:22:48.940 appointment saying, ta-da, I'm a transgender man to woman, but can you give me a wax on my meat and two

00:22:58.260 veg? Can you wax my wedding tackle? Can you do to me as a man transgender what you do to women? 1.00

00:23:09.480 And of course, they do not want to do so. They either regard it as too intimate an act. They didn't

00:23:14.680 sign up for waxing a man. They feel tricked. They are not trained in that. Or they're culturally or 0.96

00:23:21.680 morally offended by it. And they say no. And so time and again, Jonathan Yaniv takes these women,

00:23:29.640 many of the minority women, newcomer women, immigrant women, who are earning a living this way, 0.66

00:23:34.280 and he takes them, not to a court, because a court would throw him out and wag their finger at him

00:23:42.480 and say, shame on you for attempting to expose yourself sexually to these women. No, he takes them 0.93

00:23:48.400 to a kangaroo court. What I've always said is the worst kangaroo court in Canada, the BC Human Rights

00:23:56.460 Tribunal. Not once, not twice, not three times, but again and again. It's like he's going through the

00:24:01.860 Yellow Pages, contacting every esthetician in the city, and tricking and trapping them. 0.99

00:24:09.860 And bizarrely, until just two days ago, he managed to do all of this in the Human Rights Tribunals

00:24:18.360 in secret. He actually managed to get the Human Rights Tribunal to put a publication ban

00:24:25.880 on his name, almost as if they were helping to hide his identity so he could sneak and trap

00:24:34.180 other estheticians. Well, that press publication ban was finally lifted, and joining us now via Skype

00:24:40.360 is the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms, John Carpe, who is representing one of these

00:24:48.660 estheticians. Welcome, John. Did I more or less accurately describe what Jonathan Yaniv is doing

00:24:56.120 to immigrant women throughout the Vancouver area?

00:24:58.780 Yes, he filed complaints against 14 women.

00:25:03.880 14 women. He did this 14 times.

00:25:07.060 And the Justice Center represented two women back in 2018. And in both cases, as soon as Yaniv

00:25:16.520 found out that the women had legal counsel, he withdrew the complaint. The Human Rights Tribunal

00:25:24.320 actually took a dim view of his pattern of withdrawing the complaints. So there were three hearings

00:25:32.240 that took place in July of 2019. And our staff lawyer, Jay Cameron, was in Vancouver. And on

00:25:39.720 three separate hearings for three separate women, he represented the women. And we're now waiting

00:25:48.880 for a human rights tribunal ruling on these three cases. And as you said, it is a very intimate

00:25:56.980 service. We actually had somebody on Thursday, July 4, on the first of the three hearings, we had an

00:26:04.180 expert witness testify. And this lady runs a salon for men in Vancouver, who want to have this Brazilian 0.97

00:26:15.080 bikini wax. It's called a manzillion or a brozillion, I'm told. And this woman testified before the Human 0.63

00:26:21.880 Rights Tribunal that this is a very different procedure. It requires different wax. It requires

00:26:27.900 specialized training. So not only were these 14 women not willing to wax male genitalia, but they're 0.99

00:26:37.660 also not qualified, not trained and not competent to do so. And that's evidence that's now before the

00:26:43.680 tribunal. Well, that raises the obvious point. If there is an esthetician in Vancouver, who will do

00:26:52.520 this, who is trained to do this, who makes money off this and has staff who are ready to go, why would

00:27:01.640 this man go to 14 women who don't do it, who don't want to do it, for either moral or technical reasons?

00:27:11.840 Why would he go to 14 women who don't want to touch his junk, instead of the one who says, hey, yeah, 1.00

00:27:18.240 come here, I'll take your 50 bucks?

00:27:20.840 Well, one of the arguments that Yaniv raised, and I don't, obviously, I don't, I don't speak for Yaniv,

00:27:28.700 but the argument is that the, under BC law, because the BC Human Rights Code prohibits discrimination on

00:27:36.920 the basis of gender expression and gender identity, Yaniv's argument is that under the law, Yaniv is

00:27:44.380 a woman by identifying as such. Therefore, Yaniv ought to be able to go to a women-only place. 0.98

00:27:56.540 In fact, Yaniv has stated that Yaniv attends a female-only gym, and I guess the gym allows that. 0.97

00:28:05.840 I'm not aware of that being a court case or anything. But that seems to be the argument is

00:28:11.840 through the Human Rights Code, recognizing gender identity and gender expression, if you're a woman,

00:28:20.420 according to the BC Human Rights Code, then you ought to be treated as such. And so Yaniv is advancing

00:28:27.880 this argument that Yaniv has a human right to have male genitalia waxed by female estheticians who 0.97

00:28:38.100 want to provide services to women only.

00:28:42.100 Yeah. Well, John, what you've done there is you've given me his legal excuse for it,

00:28:47.680 and that's sort of obvious. He's trying to make the case as offensively and abusively as I could

00:28:54.060 possibly imagine it being made, that he has the right to do this. Actually, the only thing worse

00:28:58.580 would be that case of the Vancouver Rape Relief, where a man insisted on having access to rape

00:29:06.780 victims. That's even grosser than Jonathan Yaniv. But my question was actually a little bit different,

00:29:12.760 and maybe give me a try. And I know you can't speak for this creep, but he's saying I should legally

00:29:20.880 be allowed to. I get that. That's his argument. He's trying to change the law. But why wouldn't

00:29:26.420 he, just as a personal choice, go to the person in town, this expert you referred to, who's willing

00:29:34.120 to do it? Like why? I know you're saying he's arguing he has the right to do so, but why would

00:29:41.600 he do so? I mean, is the answer that he's trying to offend people, that he's trying to have some sort

00:29:48.160 of psychotherapy by, if he can do something that he knows only women are allowed to do,

00:29:54.400 it makes him feel like a real woman? Is it that he's trying to destroy societal notions of men

00:30:01.840 or women, or is he just generally an asshole? Well, the BC Human Rights Tribunal released an

00:30:10.300 interim decision on May 30th, just dealing with some procedural issues. And the BC Human Rights

00:30:18.320 Tribunal in that ruling said something to the effect of that transgender women have a right to 1.00

00:30:27.840 gender affirming care. And so that Yaniv's complaint should be taken very seriously. They didn't really

00:30:36.320 tip their hat as to whether they're going to rule for or against Yaniv, but they did say that it's a

00:30:42.760 real issue that transgender women should have access to gender affirming care. So... 1.00

00:30:50.620 What's that like? Gender affirming what? 1.00

00:30:54.060 Care.

00:30:55.060 Care?

00:30:55.380 Care?

00:30:55.560 Care. C-A-R-E. Care. Gender affirming care. 1.00

00:31:01.440 Oh, care. Okay. I didn't hear that last word. See, I understand what people say when they say

00:31:06.780 tolerance. Tolerate someone different. You may not like something, but you can tolerate. I'm a fan

00:31:13.120 of tolerance. Then there's acceptance. I get that. There's respect. I get that. I think we're moving up

00:31:22.780 in orders here. Affirming. Gender affirming care, if that's what you said. So now I don't have to

00:31:31.740 tolerate something. I don't have to accept it. I don't have to just respect it. I have to affirm

00:31:38.820 them. I have to say what they're doing I must be a part of now. And of course, I'm some guy in

00:31:49.800 Calgary who doesn't do that sort of thing. But we're talking about, and all these 14 cases,

00:31:54.540 is it accurate to say they're all immigrant women or they are in the main young immigrant women who

00:31:59.320 come to Canada and he's basically a predator seeking them out? It's all women and they're 1.00

00:32:05.520 mainly immigrants. Is that correct?

00:32:07.700 The majority of them are immigrants. And I think you hit upon a good point there that there's a

00:32:13.600 distinction between a man or a woman dressing up as the opposite sex, claiming to be the opposite

00:32:22.520 sex, identifying as the opposite sex. All of that is part of freedom of expression. If Yaniv was being 0.75

00:32:28.940 prosecuted or persecuted by a government telling Yaniv, well, you must use a male name and you're not

00:32:37.360 allowed to wear female clothing. I would go to bat for Yaniv's right to freedom of expression and say,

00:32:42.960 you can express yourself as you wish. And it goes both ways, whether it's a woman identifying as a

00:32:50.800 man or man identifying as a woman. It's one thing to express yourself. And in a free society, we have

00:32:57.020 to be tolerant of expression that we might find offensive. But it's quite another to use the law to

00:33:04.240 coerce somebody to affirm that which you believe, right? So it's one thing for a guy to claim to be

00:33:13.940 a woman. It's quite another to say everybody else has to also pay lip service to that notion and go

00:33:20.640 along with it. And I think this was a point Jordan Peterson hit upon when he was testifying against

00:33:26.260 putting gender identity, gender expression into the human rights legislation, because that would coerce

00:33:32.580 the use of honorifics, Mrs., Ms., Miss. And it's a state coercion that's the issue. I mean, it's one

00:33:42.500 thing to be polite. And as a matter of politeness, you choose to perhaps refer to somebody with the

00:33:51.340 gender pronouns that that person wishes to be referred by. That should be an optional thing

00:33:56.220 that people can choose to do or not. It becomes a problem when you have state coercion.

00:34:02.280 Yeah. You know what? I have so many bad memories coming back to me now of the Human Rights Commission,

00:34:08.100 because the Human Rights Commission and the tribunal in British Columbia, similar to that in Alberta and

00:34:12.700 Ontario and federally, was designed originally, if you believe the original framers of those laws,

00:34:18.540 to be a shield to protect individuals, not to be a sword to attack individuals. And this creep

00:34:29.960 is using and abusing the human rights law as a sword to go after 14 women. And basically,

00:34:40.260 in the 70s, we'd call him a streaker or a flasher. In the New York subway, someone's wearing a raincoat,

00:34:50.520 and they go, ta-da, and they're naked underneath, and they run away. That's essentially what he's

00:34:54.560 doing. But instead of running away out of shame, he's walking right in the front door and say,

00:35:02.120 all right, ladies, get busy waxing. I know this is a ladies' aesthetic shop, but I'm a lady, 0.99

00:35:09.260 and if you don't agree with me that I'm a lady, I'm going to sue you. I don't understand why women's 1.00

00:35:16.200 groups or immigrant aid groups, or let alone Christian or Sikh or Muslim groups, I don't know

00:35:23.560 the ethnicity of these women, why they're not pushing back. Is there anyone else coming to these

00:35:29.660 aid of these immigrant women other than you, John? Well, to her credit, Megan Murphy, who is one of the

00:35:37.560 leading Canadian feminists, she has a website called Feminist Current, and she was actually 1.00

00:35:44.820 barred from Twitter, removed from using Twitter, and that was at the behest of Yaniv. Yaniv complained

00:35:51.920 that this feminist, Megan Murphy, had said something along the lines of, 0.99

00:35:57.380 trans women are not women, or trans women are men, men are not women, some comment to that effect,

00:36:07.180 and Yaniv persuaded Twitter to ban Megan Murphy. Lindsay Shepard, tragically, was also banned from

00:36:15.320 Twitter for referring to Yaniv as a man. So Twitter is a problem, and the media have boycotted this to a

00:36:24.080 large extent. It's only in the past week or so that we're getting some media, not the CBC, but some

00:36:30.560 other media are starting to write about the case. In spite of the fact that we had public hearings

00:36:35.020 in Vancouver that were open to the public and the media, of course, we had public hearings July 4th,

00:36:42.400 July 5th, not a single media person was present. And I think the reason is that this hurts a left-wing

00:36:50.660 progressive narrative about human rights and political correctness. The media do not want to

00:36:58.280 report on this because it shows how the human rights laws have been twisted and perverted and

00:37:05.140 taken to a place where they should never go. And Yaniv effectively makes a good case as to why we need

00:37:10.900 to reform the human rights proceedings, and that's not something that the media want to cover on.

00:37:16.320 Well, John, first of all, thank you for being there. And it sounds like you're representing

00:37:21.580 two, is it? Two of these women who were abused? 0.96

00:37:25.440 A total of five. And I have to interject, I have to tell you as well, one of our clients

00:37:31.440 tried, approached 26 different lawyers and law firms seeking help to defend against Yaniv's complaint.

00:37:41.060 Now, some of them had good reason for turning her down. They said,

00:37:43.540 we don't practice in the area of human rights law. So we don't really know what we're doing.

00:37:47.640 So you should go find somebody else. But amongst the 26, many of these lawyers and law firms said,

00:37:52.920 we will not represent you because we fear the wrath of the powerful transgender lobby. And we don't want 1.00

00:38:02.040 our name drawn into, you know, being called hateful and transphobic and bigoted and all the name-calling.

00:38:09.760 Unbelievable. Absolutely believable. You know what? It reminds me of when we were trying to get a lawyer for

00:38:14.880 Tommy Robinson. The first six law firms in a row said, no thanks. And literally, I had to find a lawyer whose

00:38:22.280 website said he represented war criminals, John. And I called them up. Jonathan Grimes was his name.

00:38:28.500 I said, your website says you represent war criminals. Can you represent a citizen journalist?

00:38:33.740 They had a firm meeting and they said, fine. So maybe there's some war criminal lawyer in Vancouver

00:38:39.520 who said, well, you know, I only have, I only represent people who commit genocide and actual Nazis.

00:38:47.000 I'm not going to represent an immigrant woman who doesn't want to touch Jonathan Yaniv's junk. I'm so frustrated

00:38:54.400 to hear that. But let me say this. I'm glad you took the case. And I happen to know where I was on July 4th

00:39:00.000 because that date rings by. I was actually in the United Kingdom that day covering Tommy Robinson's latest trial.

00:39:05.900 So that's where I was. And I know some of our staff, I mean, we only have five reporters.

00:39:11.140 But I promise you we'll cover any future cases. Are there more cases like this coming?

00:39:17.080 The ones, there's a few more hearings. Some of the women have been terrified into shutting down 1.00

00:39:22.920 their businesses. We actually have tried to contact all 14, or at least the ones that we were able to

00:39:30.360 find out the name of the woman or the name of the business. We've tried to contact all of them.

00:39:35.160 In some cases, there's no more phone number. There's no more website. It's been a horrific

00:39:40.380 process for our clients. 14 families now are in poverty. 14 immigrant women are thinking,

00:39:48.340 why did I come to Canada? John, I promise you we will cover these in the future. But I want to talk

00:39:54.660 about one last thing. And please let me know when the next hearings on any of these cases are.

00:40:00.140 But there's one thing that I mentioned earlier. Until a couple of days ago, the identity of

00:40:07.140 Jonathan Yaniv was a secret, a court-ordered secret. And I want you to tell me why that was.

00:40:16.500 Why did the courts agree to keep this predator's name secret from other women who ought to have been

00:40:24.840 warned about him? It's Yaniv presented to the, going way back, Yaniv, Yaniv filed the complaints back in

00:40:35.620 the spring of 2018. Yaniv claimed that having the full name out there would hurt his, would hurt Yaniv's

00:40:47.000 business. And however, about 10 days ago, within the past 10 days, Yaniv on Twitter admitted to being

00:41:00.000 the complainant. And only at this point did the tribunal step in. We drew that to the tribunal's

00:41:06.060 attention. And it was the Justice Center that applied to lift the anonymization order. And we presented to

00:41:13.740 the tribunal, Yaniv's public comments to the effect that Yaniv is the complainant in these cases. But prior

00:41:20.800 to that, Yaniv has a very prominent public profile on the internet. And it was our submission to the

00:41:29.200 tribunal that there were not valid grounds to make this anonymous. In part, because one of the pillars of our

00:41:38.740 court system is transparency and openness, and that we do not have secret proceedings, right? Secret

00:41:46.000 proceedings is what you have in dictatorships and police states. So an open, transparent courts process,

00:41:52.600 including for human rights tribunals. So we did eventually persuade the tribunal to lift that

00:41:59.020 anonymization order. But what really tipped the scale was that Yaniv said publicly that Yaniv was the

00:42:05.940 complainant in these human rights proceedings. Well, it's a disgrace and a shame upon the human

00:42:11.360 rights tribunal that they would have kept it secret in the first place. Part of litigation is

00:42:16.220 accepting the fact that you are going to the government to ask for some sort of relief, in this

00:42:20.920 case, to have the government act as a sword to spear these women to do so secretly. I mean, there are 1.00

00:42:27.840 some cases where we give secrecy if there is a minor child involved, for example, or if there's a

00:42:36.220 national security secret. But this is a political extremist who was looking to hide his shameful work,

00:42:44.720 and he surely knew it. That's a disgrace. You know, John, in British Columbia, there's another case right

00:42:49.600 now where a father has been ordered by the court not to refer to his daughter as her or she,

00:43:00.480 to anyone. And in fact, the lawyer for this father has been ordered to do the same thing. Now, we

00:43:07.620 interviewed this father, and because it's so absurd to call a girl he, he accidentally called her she a

00:43:14.040 few times. And the judge has actually demanded that the lawyer ask us to take that video down.

00:43:20.740 So it's not just the extreme bizarreness of transgender activists. It's that they want to 0.79

00:43:27.460 cover their tracks and ban people from thinking and talking and debating and ban people on Twitter

00:43:32.580 and have it secret. That is the sign of a deep rot in our legal system. And I am horrified to hear

00:43:40.680 how far this went, and that you are the only one standing with these 14 abused women.

00:43:47.960 The trans ideology is very aggressive. And I will defend to the death the right of anybody to 1.00

00:43:56.680 promote that ideology, to speak it, to try to persuade other people of its truth. But, you know,

00:44:04.360 this is just one of those issues where people are missing the forest for the tree. Because,

00:44:12.000 you know, whether it's Islamophobia or transphobia or homophobia, you've got a problem where free

00:44:19.160 speech gets curtailed in the name of not hurting people's feelings and in the name of some higher good.

00:44:26.720 the government never attacks your rights and freedoms without putting forward what is claimed

00:44:33.840 to be a good reason for doing so. And so the trans transgender lobby is is extremely powerful.

00:44:40.800 And the only thing to do is for people to to resist and speak the truth and and not be intimidated by it.

00:44:48.720 And that holds true, whether it's a trans lobby or anything else, you simply have to continue to speak 0.70

00:44:56.640 the truth as you see it or the truth as you believe it and not be intimidated. And that's that's a daily

00:45:03.440 job for everyday citizens to carry out in their lives. It's not just leaders of organizations or public

00:45:11.600 interest lawyers that they need to do that. Yeah. I am so angry. And I regret that I was out of the

00:45:18.480 country during that hearing. And I know the rest of our team is so busy every day. But I assure you,

00:45:24.560 John, that we will cover this case going forward. And I can assure you, as God is my witness, I swear

00:45:33.760 that I will go to prison rather than have some court tell me, as they told that dad, that I have to call

00:45:42.160 a girl a boy or a boy a girl. I you know, it's it's straight out of it's straight out of Orwell.

00:45:51.440 How many fingers? How many fingers am I holding up? Say it's three. Say it's three. I will not say

00:45:58.240 it's three if it's two. And that is where we are in Canada. And John, you're the only one standing

00:46:03.360 between us and that. And I would encourage all our viewers to go to jccf.ca. That's your website,

00:46:09.920 right? Yes. Learn more about the case and chip in because you like us don't take a dime from

00:46:16.720 government. You're just that's right. You you rely on grassroots people. And we like what you do,

00:46:22.160 John. And in the past, we've crowdfunded for you. I know we've sent you some money over the over the

00:46:27.120 years. If there's anything here that we can do on the crowdfunding side, you can send we can talk

00:46:33.120 after the show. Because boy, I'm mad about this. And I bet our viewers are too.

00:46:38.560 Well, we appreciate any donations. And we we issue official tax receipts as well. We're a registered

00:46:44.240 charity. Right on. Well, that's jccf.ca. John, I'll let you go. I've kept you so long. Thanks for

00:46:49.760 fighting the good fight. Thanks for having me on your show. All right. There you have it. John Carpe,

00:46:54.400 he's the leader of the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms. And you heard the

00:47:01.120 story. He's in there fighting for these immigrant women and the right not to have to, 0.90

00:47:07.680 what was the word, affirm Jonathan Yaniv's gender expression. All right. Stay with us. More ahead on the

00:47:16.800 Trump. Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about Trudeau and Scheer, both condemning Trump's

00:47:31.600 tweets. Phil writes, from personal experience, I know that many Canadians hate Donald Trump,

00:47:36.240 a sentiment whipped up by the CBC. Trudeau probably feels his electoral chances in October are improved

00:47:40.980 by continuing his attacks on Trump. I think you're right. I think it's, it's a very safe opinion to

00:47:51.620 have. I don't know if it's going to work though. I think that Canadians have fallen out of love with 0.99

00:47:57.380 Trudeau, those who were, had an infatuation with him. I really haven't met anyone who loves Trudeau, who's

00:48:04.500 not sort of on the payroll anymore, you know. There used to be all these what Lenin would call useful

00:48:09.860 idiots. I think of Paul Wells and McLean's as the perfect archetype of that. But those are the ones who

00:48:16.580 have fallen the hardest because that was a pure love they had. The only ones who still love Trudeau are

00:48:22.660 the ones he, whose love he has to buy. It feels tinny. Drew writes, I don't understand why Andrew Scheer

00:48:30.900 reckons it's a good idea to condemn Trump. It doesn't seem very smart to take a stab at Trump

00:48:35.140 for his comments on Twitter because if Scheer wins this election, and I hope he doesn't, then he would

00:48:39.540 have to deal with him. What relationship would that be? My best guess is that it will be a very salty one.

00:48:46.180 Well, first of all, let's just speak very practically. Is any Trump hater in Canada

00:48:52.900 likely to vote for the Conservatives or Andrew Scheer? I'd say no. Maybe someone who's,

00:48:58.500 I know a fair number of conservative, sort of Canadian moderates rather, who say, well,

00:49:05.140 I don't feel great about Trump. Right. But by bashing Trump, is Andrew Scheer going to get one

00:49:10.740 single vote extra? No, he will not. If you're a Trump derangement hater, it's taken for granted that

00:49:19.060 you hate Andrew Scheer and the Conservatives. In fact, Andrew Scheer and the Conservatives are less

00:49:22.180 likable than Trump. At least Trump's entertaining and not boring. So pragmatically, it's not going to get

00:49:27.460 him one more vote. And what if he wins? He's going to have this track record of stupid things

00:49:34.580 that he said about Trump he's going to have to deal with. And you know what? I think it actually

00:49:39.620 does turn off that percentage of Canadians who like Trump. It doesn't make sense. Chris writes,

00:49:45.940 Up until 12 years ago, I smoked my share of pot and was around many who did also. As I watched Justin

00:49:55.220 commenting on Trump tonight, I was absolutely sure that Justin was stoned out of his wits,

00:49:59.780 which are limited. He stumbled, hesitated, and repeated to himself, do Justin's handlers say,

00:50:04.580 smoke this and then say this? Justin should be the poster boy of how booze and pot affect your brain.

00:50:08.900 Well, let us stay away from the realm of fake news and gossip and stick just to the facts.

00:50:16.100 Fact number one, Justin Trudeau's issue that he cares most passionately about is and was drug

00:50:22.340 legalization. Fact number two, Justin Trudeau has said repeatedly that he smoked pot for decades.

00:50:28.580 Fact number three, Justin Trudeau has admitted that he has smoked pot even after becoming a member of

00:50:34.180 parliament before it was legalized even. In fact, number four, we know that he spends hundreds of

00:50:40.260 thousands of dollars on liquor on his flights. Well, now that pot's legalized, you doubt they're

00:50:45.860 smoking too? So those are the facts about Justin Trudeau. We saw that drunken wobble at that David

00:50:52.260 Axelrod event in Chicago. Do you really doubt that he's hitting the bong now? I mean, come on.

00:50:57.700 It's all he cares about and talks about with passion. I think Justin Trudeau is a drunk,

00:51:02.900 but I think he's also smoking. I think he hates his job, to be honest.

00:51:09.300 He hates the reading. He hates the bad news. He hates the fact that the world's turning against

00:51:14.340 him everywhere from China to India. He hates it. He just wants to be a mascot. And I think he's

00:51:21.460 dealing with that and his gold digging wife with booze and pot. I don't know. Is this unfair for me to

00:51:29.780 say? Well, let me tell you one thing. It's one-tenth the questioning that Donald Trump and Melania

00:51:36.020 Trump get, or even Stephen Harper and Lorene Harper. You know, Melania Trump wasn't seen in public for 0.99

00:51:40.980 a few days, and the mainstream media was going crazy. They're divorced. No, she was in the hospital, mate.

00:51:46.820 Look, I think that Justin Trudeau is not morally or constitutionally appropriate to be the prime

00:51:53.380 minister. He should have been the governor general. That would have been a good job for him, you know.

00:51:56.980 All right. Well, thanks for letting me indulge my little rant there. And that's stone-cold sober,

00:52:01.460 people. Without further ado, let me say good night to you. Have a great weekend.

00:52:08.180 I'm doing five shows next week, obviously, Monday to Friday, but I'm going to sneak in

00:52:14.260 a trip to the United Kingdom on Tuesday. Now, don't worry. I'm also going to have a show on Tuesday,

00:52:19.220 but I'm going to go to the UK. I'm doing a crazy flight there

00:52:21.940 because I'm visiting Tommy Robinson in prison, and I'll give you a report. And you can see that

00:52:28.180 report on a website called prisonreports.com. And I have one purpose. I'm going to say hi to the guy

00:52:34.260 and give him a hug. But my real purpose is to make sure he's not being mistreated in prison as he was

00:52:39.540 last time. So I'll give you a full report at prisonreports.com. If you want to help cover my

00:52:46.340 flight, I'd be grateful you can do that there too. All right, folks, have a great weekend. We'll see you

00:52:49.940 Monday. Keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - July 20, 2019

Canada's Elections Commissioner gives up chasing an Internet rumour, after spending millions of tax dollars trying

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