Rebel News Podcast - Canada’s military hatches a plan to transmit pandemic propaganda

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. I have a whale of a story. I can't believe I missed it when it came out

00:00:04.240 about a week ago. It's about the Canadian military cooking up a plan to promote Justin Trudeau's

00:00:10.220 pandemic communications. I'm talking about Jeeps with bullhorns on them, blaring Trudeau's speeches,

00:00:16.660 all kinds of crazy stuff like that. I'll read you what the general says, or the admiral in this case.

00:00:23.540 That's coming up in just a moment. But first, let me invite you to become

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00:00:48.400 Tonight, Canada's military hatches a plan to transmit pandemic propaganda to Canadians.

00:00:55.160 It's August 6th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:59.920 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:03.580 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:07.660 The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody

00:01:12.560 right to do so.

00:01:17.580 You know, I saw the pandemic in China before it came here. I didn't really know what I was 0.59

00:01:23.140 seeing, but because I follow a ton of Chinese dissidents on social media, I kept seeing videos

00:01:27.940 like this. Confusing, terrifying, and of course impossible to corroborate, but it certainly felt

00:01:33.220 authoritarian. Something bad was going on. But then again, China really is under a sort of perpetual

00:01:38.400 martial law. We haven't seen the worst of that in Canada during the pandemic, but I was shocked

00:01:44.080 to learn just how far down that road Australia, or at least their state called Victoria, has gone.

00:01:49.820 Hmm? Imagine deploying the Australian Defence Force, that's their soldiers, to enforce some

00:01:54.660 random, capricious, unscientific, whimsical, ever-changing, unsubstantiated public health

00:02:01.000 orders. The curfew is the weirdest part, as if the virus only comes out at night, like it's

00:02:06.460 a vampire or something. But soldiers? Why soldiers? Do they have special health care skills?

00:02:12.920 Special law enforcement skills they know how to write a ticket? Special communication skills

00:02:18.080 to calm the public? Of course not. It's the opposite. It's for the menacing effect. It's for

00:02:23.500 the threat. It's for the psychological control. I don't think those soldiers actually want to do this.

00:02:28.580 I don't think they enlisted to go to war against their own people, or to knock on house doors and

00:02:32.560 spy on their compatriots. I think they're being used. So far, that's been avoided in Canada and the

00:02:38.280 United States, more or less. I think some Canadian forces were conscripted into doing some menial

00:02:43.460 tasks in some Quebec seniors' homes. Extremely inappropriate, by the way. Completely unnecessary.

00:02:50.620 Abusive of both the patients and the Canadian forces. Psychologically speaking, abusive of the

00:02:56.620 patients. Like when the Canadian forces were sent to shovel snow in Toronto that one time. Why are you

00:03:02.340 being disrespectful to the soldiers, making them do that? But other than that, I don't think the

00:03:06.820 Canadian military is being deployed. But look at this, look at this, look at this. I didn't see this

00:03:10.420 when it was first published a week or two ago. It's about how Canada's military hatched a plan

00:03:17.240 to wage an information battle against Canadians. Canadians who don't buy the Trudeau government

00:03:23.800 line or the United Nations line. Look at this. The Canadian forces planned what some military

00:03:28.560 insiders described as a propaganda campaign aimed at heading off civil disobedience by the public during

00:03:33.680 the coronavirus pandemic. But the initiative was shut down by the country's top soldier who questioned

00:03:39.080 whether it went too far in the methods military officers wanted to use. Say, who actually came up

00:03:45.720 with this idea? I don't think it's ever really properly answered in this story. I'll read some more.

00:03:52.240 The campaign called for shaping and exploiting information, allowing the Canadian forces to be

00:03:58.260 able to strengthen trust in official sources of information, said a military planning document

00:04:03.620 reviewed by this newspaper. One of the desired results was that civil order be maintained during

00:04:08.080 the pandemic. Canadian public is deterred from participating in civil disobedience, according

00:04:14.720 to the objectives of the plan. Canadian public compliance with suppression measures is reinforced.

00:04:21.380 All right, so we don't have new fighter jets in Canada, so we can't keep up with our American 1.00

00:04:25.940 allies. We can't properly patrol the skies against the new generation of Russian aircraft. We're obviously 1.00

00:04:30.700 totally outclassed by China's bridging navy. We're not strong on cyber security, cyber attacks from

00:04:37.200 China. We really don't even have any peacekeepers left in the world. We canceled the annual war games

00:04:42.880 simulation at Cold Lake, the Air Force games called Maple Flag. But apparently we've got resources and

00:04:50.380 manpower and budgets and time to work on political compliance of Canadian citizens to suppress

00:04:58.120 dissident voices. Dissident voices. Those dissident voices, we have a word for that. It's called

00:05:02.420 democracy. It's what our military is supposed to be protecting, not suppressing. I'll read some more.

00:05:08.020 When Chief of the Defense Staff General John Vance was briefed about the information operations

00:05:11.660 campaign, he ordered it stopped. Some senior military staff raised concerns the plan could be open

00:05:16.960 to abuse in using propaganda or deception to manipulate the Canadian public. You don't say.

00:05:22.320 The campaign was a combination of traditional communications methods using public affairs

00:05:27.980 staff and influence activity specialists, as well as various other techniques to get military and

00:05:33.940 government messages across the public. Really? So the purpose of the armed forces is to convey

00:05:38.780 Trudeau's speeches now. Yeah? And the guns are just a subtle way of emphasizing how important it is to

00:05:45.540 comply and submit to Trudeau, right? Hey, remember this ad produced by the liberals?

00:05:49.960 Stephen Harper actually announced he wants to increase military presence in our cities. Canadian cities. Soldiers

00:06:05.060 with guns. In our cities. In Canada. We did not make this up. Choose your Canada.

00:06:19.960 Yeah, they said that if I voted for Stephen Harper, there'd be soldiers in the streets. Well, I

00:06:23.840 did vote for Stephen Harper, so I guess they were right. The liberals want to put soldiers in the

00:06:28.120 streets. I'll read more. If necessary, military vehicles with loudspeakers would be used to transmit

00:06:34.220 such information. Seriously, that is pure banana republic type stuff. Could you imagine that? I mean,

00:06:39.320 Trudeau really does love Cuba and China, doesn't it? Can you imagine a Jeep? Now hear this. You must listen to

00:06:45.960 Trudeau. Can you imagine that? The Canadian forces was also ready to set up portable radio stations,

00:06:51.960 which were used in Afghanistan to provide the military with an outlet to communicate in areas

00:06:56.500 where infrastructure was lacking. Quote, village assessments would be conducted and meetings would

00:07:01.740 be set up with religious leaders and non-governmental organizations, the information operations plan

00:07:06.880 done. So if I disagree with Trudeau, which I do, does that make me the Taliban in this story? I'm not

00:07:15.780 sure because, of course, in real life, Trudeau himself is on the side of the Taliban, or at

00:07:20.880 least Al-Qaeda. He's the one who personally apologized to and cut a huge check to Omar

00:07:25.540 Qadar, the Al-Qaeda terrorist. So in this weird scenario where the military is setting up propaganda,

00:07:31.640 who's the good guys and who's the bad guys? Look at this. Information operations is defined by the

00:07:37.840 Canadian forces as actions taken in support of political and military objectives, which influence

00:07:42.700 decision makers by affecting others' information while exploiting and protecting one's own

00:07:46.640 information. Asked about whether the military expected Canadians to participate in civil disobedience

00:07:52.740 or riots during the pandemic, Santarpia, that's a rear admiral, responded, that was our worst

00:07:58.960 case scenario. So he's the big boss who was talking to the citizens, Santarpia. Now, riots are one thing.

00:08:04.500 Our police can handle riots, actually. All our police departments can. They all do.

00:08:12.820 They often choose not to. Antifa thugs, the railway blockades in January and February.

00:08:17.620 Even what we've seen in city centres, what we've personally experienced outside Toronto City Hall,

00:08:22.380 lawlessness. I'd call that a riot. Police could stop them if they want. The Canadian forces wouldn't

00:08:27.460 dream of sending in the army to fight those left-wing riots to propagandize about that. It'd be unthinkable

00:08:34.600 if they worked up a whole plan for people who don't want to wear masks or take through those Chinese 1.00

00:08:39.520 vaccines. But look at that one word there. Do you see I read the word civil disobedience? That's

00:08:44.240 different from a riot. Civil disobedience is not an insurrection or treason or a military-style attack.

00:08:51.420 The military was looking at getting involved in fighting civil disobedience. Your giveaway word

00:08:58.140 here is the word civil. So what's the military doing planning to deal with civil disobedience that

00:09:05.240 by definition is civil? People refusing to wear a mask. People refusing to take Trudeau's Chinese 0.79

00:09:09.920 vaccine. Is the military going to get involved with that? Really? Will they actually stab the needle

00:09:16.100 right into your arm? Will they engage in propaganda? Military jeeps with loudspeakers

00:09:20.740 parked outside your house or something? Trudeau can't convince us in his daily press blather. He

00:09:26.680 won't even let us come to those. So some military propagandist is going to have some town hall 1.00

00:09:31.600 meetings like local chiefs or something back in Afghanistan? Get this. The military's information

00:09:38.320 operations campaign noted physical distancing and self-isolation had resulted in Canadians

00:09:42.760 perceiving a loss of freedom. This disempowerment in general context of anxiety will lead to increases

00:09:49.140 of irrational behavior which may run counter to the overall response effort and public well-being

00:09:54.080 it added. Okay. Hey guys, you only perceive that you've lost your freedom? I mean sure you're banned

00:09:59.820 from going to your job. Your freedom is gone. You're under house arrest. But you just need to perceive it

00:10:05.580 differently. If you're unhappy you're obviously irrational. Not the made-up public health theater.

00:10:11.520 That's totally rational. You're the irrational one.

00:10:16.580 What are you? Irrational? There's nothing wrong with being under house arrest. With deploying the

00:10:22.380 military to make you take a vaccine. Stop being so irrational. Here's Teresa Tam to remind you what

00:10:27.100 rational looks like. I think the public has to know this is one of the worst case scenarios in terms of

00:10:33.780 an infectious disease outbreak in that their cooperation is sought. If there are people who are

00:10:39.680 non-compliant there are definitely laws and and public health powers that can quarantine people

00:10:47.840 in mandatory settings. It's potential you could track people, put bracelets on their arms, have police

00:10:57.100 and other setups to ensure quarantine is undertaken. Yeah, stop being so irrational people. I'll read a bit

00:11:03.980 more. There is an ongoing debate inside national defense headquarters in Ottawa about the use of

00:11:08.700 information operations techniques. Some public affairs officers, intelligence specialists and

00:11:13.420 senior planners want to expand the scope of some such methods in Canada to allow them to better

00:11:18.840 control and shape government information the public receives. Really. So even though this crazy plan

00:11:25.980 was allegedly nixed, the debate over similar plans continues at defense headquarters? How to push Trudeau's

00:11:32.840 talking points against mere citizens? How to deploy the military not against their enemies but against

00:11:37.680 their own people? I'll read more. But Santarpius said Canadians should feel confident the military would

00:11:44.340 always act in accordance with Canadian law. We'll do our damnedest to be open and transparent and we'll never

00:11:51.040 use any sort of information capability toward Canadians, he said. Yeah, you just said that you

00:11:58.300 want to use this against Canadians. That's what you're debating now. You're debating doing it and how to

00:12:05.800 do it. Your staff actually cooked up a plan to do it. Now that particular plan was nixed, but you're still

00:12:12.080 debating it, but you swear it'll never happen. Hang on. Hang on. You're not using some of your PR magic right now,

00:12:18.120 are you? Some disinformation right now, are you? Santarpius said discussions are now underway on how

00:12:24.880 best to accomplish information operations in the future. Oh, I thought you just said you're not doing

00:12:29.920 that anymore. We will develop and grow this capability over the coming years as it's really

00:12:35.960 important both at home and abroad. Hang on. You just said you weren't going to do this at home.

00:12:42.320 Sorry, I'm being irrational again. Various ideas have been proposed, including having Canadian forces

00:12:48.040 personnel distribute government-approved messages on their personal social media accounts. Those inside

00:12:53.660 National Defense Headquarters who propose such an idea argue that technique could be used to dominate

00:12:58.300 discussion in Canada about particular topics on social media platforms. Oh, okay, so that's what

00:13:03.620 armed forces is doing, propagandizing Trudeau messages. We're going to dominate. You know, it's

00:13:08.700 actually brilliant. It'll work on compliant leftists. They do what they're told, but it'll turn normal

00:13:14.840 people and especially conservatives against the military. This scheme will destroy public support

00:13:20.980 from the military. It'll erode trust. Trudeau wins both ways. Santarpius said the Canadian forces

00:13:27.580 was also concerned misinformation would circulate during the pandemic and the information operations

00:13:33.280 campaign was needed to Canada. Hang on, I thought you just said you're not going to do this anymore.

00:13:38.100 Hey, does the military have some sort of special skill at deterring misinformation? So if China lies

00:13:47.540 about the pandemic and the World Health Organization repeats those lies and Teresa Tam, who still works 0.87

00:13:53.840 for the World Health Organization, so she tells those same lies, is it misinformation? Is there a special

00:14:00.420 magic to determine any of this or is it just whatever Trudeau says? Military officers privately say,

00:14:06.900 however, the disinformation on the pandemic ultimately didn't become a major issue in Canada.

00:14:11.540 Much of the misinformation circulated in North America came from sources like U.S. President Donald Trump.

00:14:16.840 Really? Really? That's what our army says. So China is not the source of any misinformation.

00:14:23.060 Don't believe anyone who says China's lying. They're honest. Our top ally, the United States,

00:14:29.300 they're the liars about the pandemic. You're irrational if you think otherwise.

00:14:34.300 Hey, can I ask you a question? Do you think the plan was actually put into effect?

00:14:39.140 Is this article part of the plan? Now, I don't know. I know I don't trust this rear admiral

00:14:44.000 any more than I can throw him. And I think that's the plan here. Just like the left managed to destroy

00:14:50.300 the NFL and NASCAR by infecting those once conservative institutions with leftist wokeness and craziness,

00:14:58.640 causing conservatives to abandon them, I think that's what's going on here. I'm not convinced

00:15:04.940 by anything this man says, this rear admiral. I frankly don't think most Canadians would trust

00:15:09.020 a jeep going around blaring Trudeau's speeches. I don't think that's his real mission here.

00:15:14.720 It's too stupid even for him. I think the real mission here is to bring the Canadian forces

00:15:20.260 into disrepute, to destroy the love and trust that ordinary Canadians have for the army,

00:15:26.220 to even make our own soldiers and veterans start to distrust it, even to hate it. It's

00:15:31.780 always been Justin Trudeau's objective. He hates our military. So call this information,

00:15:38.040 call this political interference, whatever. Hey, admiral, mission accomplished,

00:15:43.460 you disloyal underminer. Stay with us for more.

00:15:59.160 Well, I think one of the problems with the mainstream media isn't that they're liberal,

00:16:03.340 although that is definitely a problem. It's that they're all so bland and uninteresting and all the

00:16:07.720 same. Well, what a pleasure to sit down with my friend Candace Malcolm, who's not just a great

00:16:12.740 conservative journalist, but she's an innovator, a builder, someone who's not afraid to start

00:16:17.500 something new. And she joins us down in the studio. Candace, it's great to see you again.

00:16:20.720 Thank you so much, Ezra. Thanks for the introduction. I think it's true that we criticize the media

00:16:24.700 because of the liberal bias, because they're now subsidized, or a lot of them just paid for outright

00:16:29.400 by the government. But they're also really, really boring. They have the same opinion on everything

00:16:33.700 and the range of what you can believe is narrower and narrower. And I think that's why so many Canadians 0.93

00:16:38.460 are tuning out and rejecting that. Yeah. You know what? I admire what you've built with True North,

00:16:44.100 and we love talking to you and Andrew Lawton and your other colleagues. We love that you're

00:16:48.500 grassroots and that you don't take a dime from the government. What I want to talk about today,

00:16:52.380 if I may, is the Independent Press Gallery. Now, you and I have chatted a little bit about this,

00:16:56.960 but since we last spoke, you guys had a great event. And I know I spoke to you that day,

00:17:04.000 and I know you were a little bit worried because there was a tiny bump in the road. But a few

00:17:08.400 hours later, I thought that was the best political interaction I can remember seeing in Canadian

00:17:15.440 Conservative politics. I can't even remember the last one that was better. It was so good.

00:17:20.920 I'm talking about the, you know, fireside chat style interviews that you guys did with the

00:17:28.140 Conservative candidates. Give me a little bit of it from your point of view. You arranged that whole

00:17:32.780 thing. You did the whole thing. How do you think it went? Sure. Yeah. So, of course,

00:17:35.760 we were a little bit disappointed, Ezra, because we had sort of planned and marketed this event

00:17:40.660 as the last debate amongst the Conservative candidates before, you know, Conservative members

00:17:45.820 are going to have to mail in their ballots. We were so excited to get all four of the candidates

00:17:49.200 agreed to it. I didn't honestly expect Peter McKay to say yes in the first place. The fact that he did,

00:17:55.180 we were just really excited. It was going to be the big launch of the IPG. And because we had all four

00:18:00.200 of the members, the mainstream media had to pay attention. Even if they hate us, even if they

00:18:04.540 begrudge everything we do, the fact that we had the legitimacy given to us by the candidates meant

00:18:09.280 that they had to cover it. And they were. CPAC was going to air it. We had, there was a couple of

00:18:13.940 news stories written about it. So we were excited about that. And then we got the curveball day of

00:18:18.420 because Lesley Lewis informed us that she had an ear infection. We were hoping that she was going to

00:18:23.100 pull through. You know, her doctor advised her to stay home. Look, I get that people are a little bit

00:18:27.660 paranoid at this point because of the coronavirus or whatever. And we're in Toronto where there,

00:18:31.980 there, there is still cases and stuff like that. So we said, okay, we can still do the debate,

00:18:36.300 the debate without Lesley. But then, you know, an hour later, Peter McKay's campaign put out that

00:18:40.820 statement. Just, you know, I think Sheila Gudreid said that it was something funny about

00:18:44.840 earache solidarity or something like that. It was so late. And you know what, he would have been better

00:18:50.380 just to say nothing. Right. It was so transparent that it was a fib. I think that, I mean,

00:18:55.260 the earache, all right, fine. I'm not going to say someone's franking an earache, but he's not even

00:19:00.960 trying when he says, because she has an earache, I won't go to the debate out of solidarity. And by

00:19:05.420 the way, her campaign manager who came down there, I think he wanted to say, look, we really do support

00:19:10.260 the event. Steve, he said, we don't want that kind of solidarity. So he was saying, no, no, no, no,

00:19:16.700 don't use us as an excuse. It was so transparent. I think Peter McKay was definitely the loser,

00:19:22.740 at least to the conservative base that was excited for the debate and excited that you guys were doing

00:19:28.160 it. Well, and that was the whole idea. This was to give the conservative members a final view of

00:19:32.780 the candidates and frankly, to a conservative audience. I know it's the independent press

00:19:36.740 gallery and we welcome membership from any independent outlet or journalist, but let's be

00:19:41.240 frank, you know, our audience, your audience, the post-millennial who's also a member, they all are

00:19:45.440 sort of on the right side of the political spectrum. So this was a chance for the candidates to actually

00:19:49.460 speak to the base, speak to the people who are going to be submitting their ballots. So Peter

00:19:53.580 McKay dropped out at the last minute and we kind of had to scramble, as you saw, you know, we had

00:19:58.280 a bunch of stuff planned and everything went out the window. We even had ordered nice podium signs

00:20:02.760 with names on it, you know, some expenses out the window, but that's okay. We pivoted and that's

00:20:09.140 sort of the beauty of the small independent nature of our media companies is that we're kind of used

00:20:14.140 to pivoting. We're used to scrambling at the last minute. So Andrew Lawton did a fantastic job

00:20:18.660 facilitating those conversations. My favorite part of the evening, I mean, so we ended up doing two

00:20:24.080 back-to-back, I think there were about 45 minute in-depth interviews on the same issues that we

00:20:28.900 were going to be talking about through the debate. So the things that conservatives care about, not the

00:20:32.060 stuff that the mainstream media obsesses on, not, you know, what is your position on abortion? What

00:20:36.860 is your, all the same stuff that they've heard over and over. No, we actually want to talk to them

00:20:40.500 about freedom of speech, about immigration, about all those topics. And so Andrew did a fantastic job

00:20:46.040 just getting into that. And then my favorite part of the night was the scrums afterwards,

00:20:49.920 because we had all these independent journalists, all these young, you know, really hungry guys asking

00:20:55.180 great questions. You know, compare that to the stale mainstream media ones where you get the same

00:21:00.500 question over and over. I think True North counted that, that one of the debates, they were asked like

00:21:05.140 20 times about systemic racism. It was like over and over the same. Whereas our questions, you know,

00:21:10.820 everyone had their own questions. It was really interesting and great to hear from so many

00:21:14.700 different journalists. You're right. I mean, and I enjoy, I went down there briefly and then I came

00:21:18.640 back up here to our, our world headquarters because I was sort of doing a live stream from here, but I

00:21:23.420 went down there just to say hi. And it was such a pleasure for me to meet young journalists,

00:21:29.540 independent, and frankly, I don't know if they're right-wing or left-wing, but that I had never heard of

00:21:33.660 before and that wanted to join. I was very excited by that. And then, and I saw some of these questions

00:21:39.180 like, what do you think of banning TikTok? Okay. That's a refreshing question. It's a real question,

00:21:44.100 goes to Chinese security and whatever. The questions that were asked were great.

00:21:50.160 I think the star of the night was your own colleague, Andrew Lawton. Let me just throw just to

00:21:54.660 two moments. I mean, he, he, his, I've always been a fan of Andrew, but he really hit a new height here.

00:22:01.980 Can I show two of my favorites? Sure. Absolutely. He was so well briefed and he exposed new things

00:22:09.120 about the candidates, which is hard to do because they've been asked so many questions. Here's when

00:22:12.560 he sort of discovered that Derek Sloan supports the dairy cartel. That was news to me. He did it so

00:22:18.820 well. Take a look at this. One of the big issues that we heard in the 2017 conservative leadership

00:22:24.480 race, which was odd to become so central was supply management. And this is an issue where I think

00:22:30.680 conservatives have often philosophically been at odds with some of the political realities. And I

00:22:36.640 know you have farmers in your riding. I know a lot of farmers, including dairy farmers specifically,

00:22:41.020 make up the conservative base. What's your stance? Well, I think that, I think that when you look at,

00:22:47.680 so first I'll say, I don't have any intentions to make any major changes to supply management.

00:22:53.020 Although we can always look at ways to modify the system.

00:22:56.580 That's real news. And here's Andrew, very gently, with a smile, exposing a contradiction in Aaron O'Toole,

00:23:05.880 talking tough about free speech, but well, he engaged in a bit of cancel culture too. Take a look at this

00:23:11.000 question from Andrew.

00:23:12.240 Throughout the conservative leadership race, there have been two candidates disqualified. One of them,

00:23:16.740 Richard Descari, another one, Jim Carahalios. And the reason I bring those up is because your campaign

00:23:22.760 had actually complained about Jim Carahalios' campaign in the race. A lot of members have

00:23:28.620 reached out to us wondering how you square, on one hand, being against cancel culture and being for

00:23:34.440 free votes, but on the other hand, seemingly supporting a position that denied the members

00:23:39.600 the ultimate right to determine who their leader should be or who their candidates should be.

00:23:43.680 Well, we have a leadership election committee, the LIOC committee that decides. We complain because

00:23:49.040 Mr. Carahalios was lying, lying to thousands of Canadians about me and on issues that I'm very

00:23:56.360 passionate about.

00:23:57.560 He did that with a smile. It wasn't gotcha. It was very fair. I have to say, I mean, I knew he was good

00:24:04.920 and I know I'm gushing now, but that truly was some of the finest journalism I've seen. I'm not just

00:24:09.600 saying that because I'm a friend of yours in front of his. That was great.

00:24:11.960 Yeah. Andrew is just an incredibly talented journalist all around. And I think, you know,

00:24:16.140 he comes from talk radio, so he's really good at asking these kinds of questions and doing

00:24:19.920 interviews. He's interviewed a lot of people. He's interviewed Dustin Trudeau before he's

00:24:23.280 interviewed Maya Angelou. He's got a really good list of people he's interviewed. And I think that

00:24:28.640 just his ability to get down to the nitty gritty, you know, I think that the candidates appreciated

00:24:34.080 the opportunity to talk to someone who's sort of friendly and actually wanting to get into the

00:24:38.860 issues into their platform. The candidates were relaxed because they didn't feel like it was

00:24:42.120 going to be an attack. Right. But the questions were firmer than they would normally get. That's

00:24:46.480 the irony. Yeah. And I think that the outcome was that viewers really got a better look at the

00:24:51.220 candidates. And that's, again, why I think that Peter McKay did lose out because had he shown up,

00:24:55.720 I mean, I'm not sure if there was three, whether we would have gone ahead with the debate or whether

00:24:59.020 we would have still done the fireside chats. I kind of liked the fireside chats as, you know,

00:25:03.020 in the future when there's other races, I hope we do them too, because they give you the opportunity

00:25:06.840 to really get to know a candidate. But again, you know, we left the night not really knowing

00:25:11.480 anything about Peter McKay other than that he didn't show up, even though Ezra, he was in Toronto.

00:25:15.220 He lives in Toronto. He was just up the street and didn't show up. But the other two candidates,

00:25:18.980 both of them, you know, were able to offer more of themselves, more of their platforms,

00:25:23.100 even if there were those two, you know, little contradictions that Andrew found.

00:25:26.440 Those weren't mean. It was just good journalism. Good journalism. Yeah, absolutely.

00:25:29.460 Well, I'm glad we recapped that event. And what a credit to you and the Independent Press Gallery.

00:25:35.680 I like the fact that the Independent Press Gallery is doing stuff. That's what I meant by my introduction.

00:25:40.100 You're not just a thinker, you're a doer. You're both. And that's rare. And I noticed that there

00:25:46.900 was some snippy comments on social media from the legacy media press gallery, the government press

00:25:53.300 gallery. Let me show you a couple of those. Here's a couple by people saying, I don't, what's their

00:25:57.360 problem? Why don't they just apply? I can't even believe that people would say that True North

00:26:03.400 and Rebel News have been knocking so hard on the door, our fingers are bloody. We have had to go to

00:26:09.020 court. And we've had our applications rejected by press galleries because they just don't like our

00:26:17.220 point of view. But that's not a reason to censor someone. It's very strange to me that the existing

00:26:23.560 media party, as I call it, is so self-unaware that they say, oh, you guys don't need to have an Independent

00:26:30.720 Press Gallery. Why don't you hang out with us? Well, we would like to, buddy. That's the problem.

00:26:35.420 Right. Yeah, it's really bizarre. I mean, I think we both had journalists removed from Trudeau events

00:26:39.640 by our safety. Andrew Lawton. I think they sent the cops after him, didn't they?

00:26:43.920 Yeah, and that was a public event where he had registered as a citizen. On the campaign, yeah.

00:26:46.860 And he got kicked out. Your own Kian Bexty got removed from Trudeau's house when he was trying

00:26:52.280 to show up. So, I mean, they're literally putting police between us and the government. And then

00:26:58.340 these journalists are acting aloof, like, why do you need this? What's the point of this? I think

00:27:02.360 that they're just sort of willfully, either willfully blind or, you know, they're trying to

00:27:05.840 undermine our credibility, which it was fine because they have their own, frankly, they have

00:27:09.660 their own credibility issues. And I trust Canadians to be able to see through that kind of thing.

00:27:13.740 I was really impressed and surprised to learn from you that there's something like 50 journalists

00:27:19.040 who have applied. I didn't know. That's part of my point about going down there and seeing

00:27:22.200 all these young guys. Who are you? Who are you? Who are you? 50 people feel marginalized

00:27:27.460 by the existing press gallery. That's quite something. You and I might be the noisiest on

00:27:33.260 this issue, but there's a lot of others who have been quietly looked over. I got one last

00:27:37.380 question for you, and maybe you're not quite ready to answer it, but that's okay. Let me put it

00:27:41.300 and you can decline to answer. We have recently had a kerfuffle in Alberta. As you know, we

00:27:46.380 got Sheila in Northern Alberta and Kian in Calgary. We applied to join their Alberta legislature

00:27:52.720 press gallery, and we were blackballed. No reason. Sheila's a great... I don't even know 1.00

00:27:58.240 how... I mean, you can dislike me. I get it. And Kian can be a little prickly. But Sheila,

00:28:03.760 come on. I don't know anyone... She's nice. And even when she's being mean, she's not mean.

00:28:08.620 She tries to be mean, but she can't be. Anyways, they just said no for no reason. So we're sort

00:28:13.800 of having a big quarrel there. Have you thought about having the independent press gallery in

00:28:19.340 other places besides just Ottawa? Or maybe you already are, but we sure could use an independent

00:28:26.760 press gallery in Edmonton, probably in Toronto for Queen's Park, because I know they keep people

00:28:33.640 out too. I think it's a hazard that the legacy media, it's a moral hazard. They like to keep

00:28:40.240 out their rivals, sort of a cartel, keep up the competition, old boys club. Have you thought 0.59

00:28:47.080 about having provincial emanations of the independent press gallery?

00:28:52.820 I don't see any reason why not. I mean, the original idea was to look at the parliamentary

00:28:56.960 press gallery and say, you know, this is an exclusionary club. They bully people. You

00:29:01.940 call them an old boys club. I think they banned women for the first 70 years of their existence.

00:29:05.720 They banned broadcast media for the first decade of existence. They have this legacy of it.

00:29:10.380 But for sure, it happens in other parts of the country as well. And part of the concept

00:29:14.700 was that we want journalists to have access. And giving them the credentialed card will prove

00:29:20.780 legitimacy in the eyes of some people who will say, okay, you can come on into our legislature

00:29:24.600 building. But if there's resistance, I think that's the purpose of the press gallery is

00:29:28.700 to form a united body and say, you know, just because you write for a legacy newspaper doesn't

00:29:34.280 give you the monopoly over telling the news. And there's so many independent outlets, I think

00:29:38.740 our event proved there's people that we don't even know about that want to come and want

00:29:42.580 to be part of it. And, you know, the media should be more inclusive, more Canadians should

00:29:46.440 have their voices told. It's ironic, Ezra, because the whole purpose behind the CBC is

00:29:50.640 that Canadians' voices need to be told. And we don't want to be drowned out by American

00:29:54.220 voices. And yet when there are Canadian voices that want to have their voice heard, where

00:29:58.280 is the CBC? They're the ones that are often doing the censoring and doing the exclusion.

00:30:01.960 So I think it's a great idea and I hope we can help you with that.

00:30:04.640 Well, that'd be great. I was shocked when it came from Post Media because I used to work

00:30:09.560 for the National Post and I remember back then it was for free speech. And I also know that

00:30:14.780 five years ago, they sought the Competition Bureau's blessing to take over their competitors

00:30:19.920 and they swore on a stack of Bibles, oh, we are not anti-competitive. Don't you worry

00:30:24.120 about that. And here they are keeping us out. So I hope that we can fix that problem there.

00:30:30.860 Look, we're going to do our journalism just like you do, whether or not they let us in 0.63

00:30:33.880 the building. But it's pretty weird to me that in the year 2020, old, dying carcass media

00:30:40.980 can keep up the new, vibrant, green shoots media.

00:30:44.340 Well, just for a matter of time. I think it's only a matter of time and then we're going

00:30:47.740 to boil them all over.

00:30:49.540 Well, this is great to see you. Congratulations. I'm so proud that, and we signed our people

00:30:54.280 up. We had our people. I know we weren't the first. Someone got in before us, but we were

00:30:58.340 amongst the first members and we'll be supporters and we'll attend all the events. And if they're

00:31:04.160 anything as good as that great fireside chat event that Andrew chaired well, it's going

00:31:10.160 to be an amazing addition to the national debate. Congratulations to you.

00:31:13.360 Thank you so much, Ezra.

00:31:14.260 And it's your entrepreneurial spirit as much as anything else. And that's what the

00:31:18.960 bad guys are scared of.

00:31:20.060 Oh, thank you so much, Ezra.

00:31:21.400 All right. There you have it. There's Candace Malcolm. She's the boss of True North. You 1.00

00:31:24.840 know her. You know, Andrew. We're good friends of ours. But if you're not yet a subscriber,

00:31:29.480 you got to go. Because look, the CBC just takes the money out of your pocket. They don't

00:31:32.800 even ask, right? They take it at tax time. Can you do me a favor and go to tnc.news, right?

00:31:37.160 T-N-C dot news. And you can sign up for the podcast, the shows. And you know, it wouldn't

00:31:44.980 hurt to chip in a few bucks. I mean, God forbid. God forbid. But you don't know what you got

00:31:49.900 until it's gone. And we've got to support. I say this when I see Spencer Fernando. I'm

00:31:55.520 a subscriber to the Post Millennial. I think I'm a subscriber to True North. I better double

00:32:00.380 check. If someone's out there doing grassroots journalism, I'm going to give them 10 bucks

00:32:05.540 a month. Well, there's no harm to me. Because we've got to support people. Even if you don't

00:32:10.840 agree with everything they say, you've got to support a variety of points of view. Not

00:32:15.540 just the government journalists. Go tnc.news. Oh, I would love it if 100 people who are watching

00:32:22.560 our show tonight just clicked on over and joined. Because you guys live based on viewer support.

00:32:29.440 That's right. And small, small dollar donations as well.

00:32:32.140 There you go. May I suggest $10 a month? Thank you. And I'm going to check to make sure

00:32:35.340 I'm doing that. I'm going to check to make sure. All right. Stay with us. More ahead.

00:32:49.440 Hey, welcome back on my monologue last night. Johan writes, this is all about control. This

00:32:54.620 is also about the public health community and doctors making a name for themselves now. Pandemic

00:33:00.300 is over. It was an interesting ride. Let's move on. Yeah. As Drea Humphrey points out,

00:33:07.180 these masks for preventive reasons, that's unlimited. That's forever. I don't want to

00:33:13.140 stay in this crisis forever. Human beings can't live in a state of anxiety and panic forever.

00:33:19.180 Christopher writes, science is revising opinion, not buying your attempts to vilify Dr. Tam.

00:33:24.420 At any given point, it can be argued, A, scientists were still understanding the nature of the virus,

00:33:29.700 and B, she was consistent with the best medical scientific thought about the pandemic at the

00:33:35.800 time. All right. So you like Teresa Tam, can I ask you a few questions? Who does she work for? 0.96

00:33:41.540 The honest answer, the technically accurate answer, is both China-dominated World Health

00:33:49.180 Organization and Trudeau. So I ask again, who does she work for? Who does she answer to? How is she

00:33:56.140 accountable? Are any other opinions allowed? And are there any limits to her powers? I don't like any

00:34:04.320 of the answers to that. On my interview with Abiyamini, Felix writes, just wait, similar quarantine

00:34:10.400 curfew laws coming to Canada. You can rest assured, you can be assured. I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure,

00:34:17.300 but maybe. I mean, Australia was doing great. And what was it, 11 cases the other day? They put the

00:34:24.680 whole state under martial law. And even our friend Abiy, he didn't even seem that particularly revved up

00:34:30.640 about it himself. I mean, he's opposed to it and he's critical of it, but where's the major fight

00:34:35.680 back? I don't know. I don't think you can lock down a city the size of Toronto with soldiers like 0.99

00:34:40.900 that without something snapping. And one more question. Do you actually believe for a second

00:34:47.460 that the ruling and elite classes will follow those rules? I do not.

00:34:54.000 Well, my friend, that's the show for today. Until tomorrow,

00:34:56.540 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.

00:35:01.140 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:35:02.100 Thank you.

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Rebel News Podcast - August 07, 2020

Canada’s military hatches a plan to transmit pandemic propaganda

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