Rebel News Podcast - October 29, 2026


Carney's $2.3B Telesat Friend, Liberals Keep the Tanker Ban, EU Waters Down Canada Offer ｜ Rebel Roundup

EZRA LEVANT ｜ From London to Wexford, the free speech fight spreads across the Anglosphere

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00:00:41.880 Oh, hey, good morning, good afternoon, everybody, depending on which part of this
00:00:49.860 long-suffering country that you're in. You're watching Rebel Roundup. I'm your host, Sheila
00:00:54.260 Gundry, and it's Thursday. It's the Curly Haired Panel, and I'm joined by my co-host, Tamara
00:00:58.240 Ugolini, in beleaguered, also long-suffering, Coburg, Ontario. Tamara, how's it going?
00:01:05.620 Yeah, great. Well, it's a beautiful day today in October. I think it's supposed to get up to like
00:01:09.420 17 degrees by this afternoon. So the sun is shining, and that's never a bad thing during
00:01:14.980 the pre-winter season and you know there's there's good some good news potentially on the
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00:01:26.460 municipal election and he has some uh tall promises to fill so there's been kind of this uh tearing
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00:01:40.600 four years may garner um less of that sentiment but only time will tell so we'll see never trust
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00:01:54.280 it's not going to be coberg or municipal politics centric any longer and um we do have some
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00:06:25.620 segment number one here we're going to chat about off the top, which is Carney's Club and your
00:06:32.320 wallet, just the continued conflicts of interest that, I mean, most people, if you're following
00:06:39.280 the alternative media space and maybe even a little bit mainstream media has has talked about
00:06:43.920 Carney's conflicts um you know he put out all of his assets allegedly in a blind trust and all of
00:06:49.700 a sudden he was supposed to forget that he had them because they were now in a blind trust um
00:06:55.580 but he was able to skirt the kind of usual disclosure requirements of a prime minister by
00:07:02.260 coming in as party leader first never having been actually elected but rather just selected
00:07:08.960 to replace trudeau and then of course um called the snap election didn't secure a majority
00:07:14.680 government uh ended up finagling himself with a bunch of backroom floor crossing deals to secure
00:07:21.700 a very slim majority government and the whole thing just wreaks conflicts every which way
00:07:27.260 and and he insulated himself from having to uh comply with conflict of interest laws
00:07:34.700 Because when he was hired by Justin Trudeau as his economic advisor, he wasn't hired by the prime minister's office. He wasn't hired as the economic advisor to the prime minister. He was hired as the economic advisor to the leader of the Liberal Party, who happens to be the prime minister, by the way.
00:07:56.840 But because he was hired in that way, he wasn't subject to ethics rules, which means that for the five years that he was whispering in Justin Trudeau's ear all that economic advice, oh boy, can't you see how good that advice was, he was able to enrich his Brookfield portfolio all low those many, many days.
00:08:19.940 So that's what he's been up to. And it hasn't stopped because now that he's the boss, his buddies are getting rich around him too.
00:08:29.580 Do you remember when Doug Ford, who says, I never break ranks with the federal government, I love all the things that Mark Carney is doing, and that included a Telesat contract to deliver rural internet in Ontario, instead of just doing what I do and use Starlink, because it's convenient, and also you can take it with you anywhere.
00:08:53.220 um and it's reliable and but they pulled the old elbows up move no i want to do canadian instead of
00:09:01.000 just going with the option that works um well wouldn't you know it the guy who runs telesat
00:09:09.140 is mark carney's buddy let's listen to jameel javani asking about this i'd like to get your
00:09:17.680 understanding of what a helpful way of defining friend in the context of the
00:09:23.080 act is how would you explain when a friend becomes relevant for a potential
00:09:27.280 screen for conflict of interest or where a friend is not relevant we go go and
00:09:32.260 have a drink periodically you know we belong to the same club or you have to
00:09:37.840 look at the context there's a friend of the Prime Minister's who is part of a
00:09:41.980 running club and book club with him as a friend of the Prime Minister's who was
00:09:45.700 at his very exclusive swearing-in ceremony at Rideau Hall.
00:09:49.700 There's a friend of the Prime Minister's where you can find pictures in the media
00:09:53.220 of the two of them, arm-in-arm, having a great time together.
00:09:56.780 That individual is the CEO of Telesat, Dave Goldberg.
00:10:02.200 Dave Goldberg is not mentioned by name as a friend
00:10:06.160 that would be warranted for a conflict of interest screen.
00:10:09.320 And my question to you is, why is that?
00:10:11.900 Well, just a second, where is the list of friends of the Prime Minister?
00:10:21.440 That's a great question.
00:10:22.440 Why aren't his friends listed in the conflict of interest screen?
00:10:25.940 This is precisely the issue, which is that if you have a definition, which sounds quite
00:10:30.000 reasonable, sir, I'm curious as to why no one met that definition enough to be included
00:10:35.800 in the conflict of interest screen, and why Dave Goldberg in particular would not be listed.
00:10:40.140 First of all, there's no obligation under the Act to mention your friends.
00:10:46.540 It matters.
00:10:47.820 Secondly, is there a conflict?
00:10:50.720 Is Mr. Goldberg dealing with the Prime Minister?
00:10:55.020 Is he making decisions that affect Mr. Goldberg?
00:10:58.020 And if so, it's a question that you've asked.
00:11:01.340 And it is, in fact, there's quite a lot of alarming evidence
00:11:04.100 that the Prime Minister's government is making decisions that have enriched,
00:11:08.140 let me finish please that have enriched dave goldberg and telesat so the average canadian
00:11:13.680 who sees that would naturally have questions as to is the prime minister in a conflict of interest
00:11:19.220 being able to as the global mail has said skyrocket the value of shares for telesat
00:11:24.640 by giving them public dollars so if an average canadian sees that and has a question about
00:11:29.700 whether there is a conflict of interest here why wouldn't that be in a screen so that we know
00:11:34.440 Because that's ultimately what we would like, is the information to know, is there a conflict of interest or not?
00:11:39.880 A couple of things here.
00:11:42.340 You said the government has made decisions.
00:11:45.620 I have no idea what decision it is and whether the PM was involved in the decision or not.
00:11:52.240 It may have been a decision where the screen was applied and he was not involved.
00:11:58.560 involved. If that's the case, it will appear in the next report from the PCO. If you suggest
00:12:10.180 that in effect the Prime Minister was involved and the decision enriched the company, and
00:12:19.780 you're saying by implication it also enriched Mr. Goldberg.
00:12:23.380 Well, it's not just by implication.
00:12:26.520 I mean, he's the CEO of the company.
00:12:27.940 He owns stock in the company.
00:12:29.640 The Globe and Mail has reported that the value of that stock has skyrocketed.
00:12:33.300 Not only that, sir, but the Prime Minister appeared with this gentleman at an event in Muskoka this past summer,
00:12:40.720 called by the Globe and Mail, Davos on the Dock.
00:12:43.540 I mean, what a name, huh?
00:12:44.960 Where wealthy CEOs pitched the government on opportunities for foreign investment.
00:12:49.660 Like, I mean, it seems to, I think, the average Canadian that there would be natural questions that deserve answers.
00:12:55.880 And I can appreciate you might not be in a position to provide a conclusion or a full answer, but I think those questions deserve some attention.
00:13:02.260 Thank you.
00:13:02.680 People feel like you, et cetera, they write to me and give me the details and I then will make a decision whether something requires.
00:13:11.340 I would love to write to you about this.
00:13:13.040 I think this really shows the inherent issue with conflict of interest disclosures because
00:13:19.560 it relies on the person who has the conflict to be honest and declare the conflict. There's
00:13:27.500 no investigation that happens. There's no one double checking. There's no one keeping tabs.
00:13:32.800 And again, also shows why it is so incredibly important to have a robust, critical,
00:13:39.920 scrutinizing mainstream or media space and how much the mainstream media has dropped the ball
00:13:47.640 in that in doing their jobs holding the government to account and scrutinizing conflicts of interest
00:13:54.160 over the last I don't know at least several years since I've really been paying attention and
00:13:58.540 arguably longer than that dependent but these conflicts of interest the conflict of interest
00:14:04.480 act and this guy and finkelstein basically feigning ignorance um at least if you don't know
00:14:11.040 you could say something like wow i had no idea but i intend to look further into this but this
00:14:17.240 this just circle of feigning ignorance shows how inherently flawed conflict of interest disclosure
00:14:24.280 is because again it depends it relies on the person with the conflict to declare it in the
00:14:28.700 first place and if they're not and no one's looking then of course the public is going to
00:14:32.740 be none the wiser because the mainstream media is dropping the ball on doing their jobs yeah like
00:14:38.320 if you watched that committee clip and you didn't know that that was the ethics commissioner you
00:14:47.580 would think that bon villain-esque sounding guy conrad von finkenstein was a lawyer for the liberal
00:14:55.240 party of canada or a lawyer from the government based on the amount of excuses he's making for
00:15:01.340 the liberals there about why this didn't come up in an ethics screen that his running buddy,
00:15:08.400 Mark Carney's running buddy, they run together, is the CEO of Telesat. And Telesat is getting
00:15:16.500 billions of dollars in Canadian money and it's causing their shares to skyrocket. And you better
00:15:22.920 believe that there's a telesat or there's some sort of tangential link between that and Brookfield.
00:15:34.940 But to put it all into context, you ever wonder why these things don't get caught over at the
00:15:42.580 Ethics Commission? Well, Dominic LeBlanc, Justin Trudeau's figurative and actual physical babysitter,
00:15:51.360 um his sister-in-law is the chief legal counsel over there so she's the one who says oh this is
00:15:58.440 legally hanky we should probably do something about it or not which is how the alto fiasco
00:16:03.120 ended up being okayed with champagne's wife being the i think it's the vp of environment
00:16:09.320 over at alto and getting paid bonuses for work they didn't do that's how that stuff happens
00:16:15.200 no more conflicts of interest to be seen there of course that's just i mean you've just named
00:16:20.780 two additional conflicts just at the office in the last few months yeah at that one office
00:16:28.300 like the office itself the office the ethics commissioner's office so the office that deals
00:16:34.220 with conflicts of interest is conflicted with the government by way of dominic leblanc's sister-in-law
00:16:40.760 we had another clip yesterday from conrad von finkenstein who basically goes to committee over
00:16:49.400 and over again and basically sits there indignant and says well what do you want me to do like my
00:16:54.300 job maybe um the uh conservatives were asking about lori idlout now for those of you who don't
00:17:05.560 know about lori idlout you can go to fire idlout.com and find out more and sign the petition but she 0.65
00:17:12.240 was an NDP MP from the North. She crossed the floor to the Liberals. Now here's what she did. 1.00
00:17:21.280 She was buying gifts to give out from her constituency office. Do you know where she
00:17:28.360 was buying the gifts from? Her family's gallery to the tune of $2,000. So she was buying gifts
00:17:35.840 from herself, charging that to the taxpayer, and then giving the gifts away. And God only knows
00:17:42.160 who she gave those gifts away to. But so she was directly enriching her family business 0.97
00:17:47.760 with taxpayer money. She was warned about it in writing, but did it anyway. And the conservatives
00:17:55.640 were asking about that yesterday in committee, Aaron Gunn, no relation, but I could do a lot
00:18:01.680 worse. And so could he. He was the guy asking the question. So it's a long clip. We don't need to
00:18:06.940 go through the whole bunch of it, but I think it's relevant when he says, well, it was only a
00:18:12.040 little bit so who cares well the point is that it's it doesn't matter if it's a penny if it's
00:18:19.640 ours it doesn't go to her illegally let's watch because i'm confused by i mean you answered the
00:18:25.440 first question that you believe there should be consequences or that it's reasonable for canadians
00:18:29.000 to expect that there are and yet when there was an instance um where there were no sanctions and
00:18:34.220 no consequences placed on a liberal mp laurie idlow who was found by your office to have violated
00:18:40.280 Section 8 of the Conflict of Interest Code on five separate occasions using her taxpayer-funded
00:18:46.200 constituency office budget to purchase more than $2,000 in artwork and trinkets from her own
00:18:53.100 business. And there was also documented evidence from your office that she explicitly knew about
00:18:58.440 this provision and her compliance advisor recording in writing all the way back in 2022, quote,
00:19:04.540 I also advised her she could not purchase gifts from the Indigenous art gallery she owns with her member's office budget.
00:19:12.080 She was very much aware of this, end quote.
00:19:14.500 So why were there no sanctions and no consequences with this abuse of taxpayer money?
00:19:20.760 First of all, the amount is, as you quite rightly said, it was $2,000.
00:19:26.620 That's the purchase value of the goods.
00:19:30.160 the profit to her or the
00:19:32.120 etc. would be
00:19:34.260 minimal because I have no idea
00:19:36.100 what the profit element of
00:19:37.960 it was a violation, a repeated
00:19:40.360 violation of the code when she already had
00:19:42.260 warnings of it and this is like
00:19:43.740 with all due respect
00:19:45.880 when Canadians vote for their elected
00:19:48.240 officials they're placing an enormous amount of trust
00:19:50.440 in us to manage their taxpayer
00:19:52.180 money ethically and judiciously
00:19:54.280 and I think with that trust comes an enormous
00:19:56.180 amount of responsibility so I just couldn't understand
00:19:58.360 And talking to Canadians in my riding, they certainly think that the conflict of the interest code is very important.
00:20:05.060 They believe you're a very important part of our parliamentary democracy.
00:20:07.580 And I think they struggle to understand when someone repeatedly violates that code after being warned not to,
00:20:13.960 and is found to have done that by your office and the judicious work that you did,
00:20:18.000 how there could possibly be no sanctions and no consequences.
00:20:21.400 I keep telling you, the act that provides for exposure has been exposed.
00:20:30.760 I mean, my report is a public document.
00:20:33.260 Do you have the power to provide sanctions?
00:20:37.080 The elect? No, I do not. This would be the Speaker who would impose the sanctions.
00:20:42.760 I cannot impose any sanctions except for…
00:20:45.260 You recommended no sanctions.
00:20:47.340 I didn't recommend any sanctions, and I have specifically under the Act of discretion to decide whether, under the circumstances, sanctions are appropriate or not, or whether these errors, therefore, were they...
00:21:01.200 Why did you think it was appropriate for no sanctions to be placed on a Liberal MP who was found to have repeatedly violated Section 8 of the Code, even with forewarning from your office?
00:21:13.560 And would you apply that same standard if the Prime Minister at some point in the future is found to have violated the Conflict of Interests Act for furthering his own privacy interests?
00:21:22.480 Can you guarantee that you would recommend sanctions in that case, or might he just get off with a stern warning?
00:21:28.480 I tried to explain when you interrupted me to say that it's a very minimal amount that was of benefit to her.
00:21:35.500 She immediately...
00:21:36.540 It's a... 0.76
00:21:37.560 She violated it repeatedly.
00:21:38.980 So how many times does someone have to violate it for there to be a sanction?
00:21:41.620 How much money does someone have to borderline embezzle from the federal government, from taxpayers, for you to recommend a sanction?
00:21:48.540 I wouldn't say borderline.
00:21:48.860 Mr. Gunn, if you don't, let me finish my sentence.
00:21:51.560 Okay, so how much money?
00:21:52.680 What's that much money?
00:21:54.000 No one new question after another before I even answer the first one.
00:21:58.140 So, I mean, we're not having a discussion here.
00:22:00.880 Yeah.
00:22:01.840 Yeah.
00:22:03.200 Aaron Gunn said borderline.
00:22:04.820 I would say that that is potentially straight up embezzling money from the taxpayer.
00:22:10.000 she was warned repeatedly don't do this it's illegal and did it anyway and she still got off
00:22:19.060 with no sanctions because it wasn't a whole heck ton of money two thousand dollars is a whole heck
00:22:23.900 ton of money to a lot of canadians struggling under this liberal government and it's just
00:22:29.700 galling to watch these and these mps enrich themselves flout the rules ignore the rules
00:22:37.080 and actually just stick their finger in the eye of taxpayers this way.
00:22:42.100 She was warned in writing by his office.
00:22:46.600 And he's like, you know what?
00:22:47.560 It's not a ton of money, so who cares?
00:22:49.660 Okay, so just do it a bunch of times at $2,000, I guess,
00:22:53.440 instead of just doing one big one.
00:22:55.940 Yeah, tell any Canadian lined up in a food bank right now
00:22:58.300 that $2,000, well, it's just pocket change to us here in the government.
00:23:03.340 But remember Bev Oda, or Oda, who...
00:23:06.200 Bev Oda. Bev Oda's biggest crime was being cool.
00:23:09.000 And for a $16 glass of orange juice ruined her political career. And that was like the massive news at the time. And so, you know, $16 versus $2,000, you know, 10 years plus late, 10 plus years later.
00:23:29.360 um it just there there seems to be no rhyme or reason right in terms of who is sanctioned who's
00:23:38.960 uh punished and who isn't uh well there there does seem to be rhyme and reason and it seems
00:23:45.460 that the conservatives repeatedly face uh intense and increased scrutiny when the liberals can just
00:23:52.540 get off scot-free. Bev Oda's biggest crime was that she was a minority woman. She was of Japanese 1.00
00:23:59.440 descent and she was a conservative and she was really cool. One of my favorite pictures of Bev
00:24:04.360 Oda is her just sucking back darts outside of the House of Commons. And the thing with Bev Oda is
00:24:11.120 it wasn't the liberals who couldn't abide the $16 orange juice. We see the money. There's a story
00:24:18.480 out this morning from the CTF about how much they spend on in-flight catering for themselves.
00:24:24.440 It was conservatives who were like, Bev, man, $16 when we are in an economic recession or headed
00:24:34.260 to one. This isn't cool. It looks really bad on us. And it was conservatives who, this is my
00:24:40.900 favorite pitcher, Bev Oda? How could you not love that lady? But she ran afoul of her fellow
00:24:49.220 conservatives. Why? Because we have standards and the liberals don't. They will turn a blind eye to
00:24:56.020 all this liberal corruption as long as their team stays in power. And conservatives are just not
00:25:01.280 like that. They will turn on their own if what they do becomes too unpalatable for their own
00:25:06.980 conservative values. I guess that's the problem with conservatives is sometimes we're just a little
00:25:12.740 too principled. We've got one more on this topic, and we probably need to hit an ad break and
00:25:18.300 jettison the rest of the topics in segment one. Still on conflict of interest, by the way,
00:25:25.500 and this wasn't at the Ethics Committee where it should have been. It was at environment. So
00:25:31.320 the uh head of these major projects office her name is don farrell she used to be at atco here
00:25:42.020 in alberta it's a major power generator and she colluded with the ndp and the liberals at the time 0.85
00:25:48.640 and i don't know why conservatives respect her so much like the ucp types they were like oh don
00:25:54.520 farrell she's a great choice for the major projects office and i was like what don no she 0.85
00:25:59.780 colluded with the Liberals and the NDP in an early phase out of coal, which now results in us getting
00:26:05.500 grid warnings because we don't have enough electricity, even though we have 800 years of
00:26:10.560 clean burning coal under our feet and natural gas that leaks out of the ground in places.
00:26:15.140 We don't have enough electricity to deal with the grid demand when it gets really cold or really hot. 0.92
00:26:21.660 That's what Dawn Farrell did because she was happy to work with the NDP and the Liberals to
00:26:29.240 get rid of reliable electricity in this province. And because we had the NDP spooking investment and 0.78
00:26:37.360 the liberals doing the same at the exact same time, nobody came in and scaled up power generation to
00:26:42.820 fill the gap in time. So now we're dealing with getting enough generation onto the grid here,
00:26:50.260 you know, half a decade later. That's the legacy of Don Farrell. But anyway, she was selected for
00:26:55.120 the major projects office and um they haven't done much of anything over there for the longest time
00:27:01.580 they had a 20 million dollar budget for an office that they didn't even have an office space for
00:27:06.160 but that's not to say that old don farrell wasn't pulling a salary and we don't have a pipeline
00:27:12.380 they've been at her a year like what what's going on over there and now it comes out that people
00:27:18.800 working in Don Farrell's office are still on salary at the private sector companies that they
00:27:29.080 work for, and we don't know who they are, or if those people are working for companies
00:27:35.960 that would benefit from a major project's approval, if you know what I mean. And she won't tell us
00:27:45.480 who they are she's just like trust me believe me they're they're not okay
00:27:50.960 during your opening uh testimony you mentioned that you have 200 employees and you've brought
00:27:58.460 employees from private companies to work at your office and in some cases those companies are still
00:28:02.860 paying at least part of those individual salaries but your office thus far won't say which companies
00:28:08.600 that they came from how many employees are in this situation and which companies are paying them
00:28:13.520 I don't have that data with me today we can endeavor to get you some information on that
00:28:20.120 but I don't think we release the names of the companies or the names of the employees you can
00:28:24.440 see how it's difficult for the public to not assume that there are at least potential conflicts
00:28:28.940 of interest I'm not saying that there is wrongdoing here but there's a clear potential conflict of
00:28:33.440 interest when these sort of financial relationships are not disclosed would you agree that this is no
00:28:38.960 there are no there are no conflicts of interest with these employees these employees the ethics
00:28:44.080 commissioner clear all of that it's all been cleared it's all i work with the department
00:28:51.440 with under pco we work with hr we clear every single employee and they have to sign disclosures
00:28:58.720 and they have to just and they have to design and disclose which areas where they might be conflicted
00:29:03.520 and they cannot work on any projects.
00:29:05.600 Just to be clear,
00:29:07.320 so you did not use the Parliamentary Ethics Commissioner
00:29:10.900 and there was no independent review of this assessment?
00:29:15.020 You did in-house with PCO to figure out
00:29:17.260 if there might be a conflict of interest here?
00:29:19.460 The people who review my employees are independent.
00:29:23.140 The employees sign off on their conflicts
00:29:26.760 and cannot work on anything they're conflicted on.
00:29:30.440 At the Toronto Investment Summit,
00:29:31.960 that CPP Investments in Brookfield, Prime Minister Carney's former employer,
00:29:35.840 now has $15 billion investment fund.
00:29:37.760 Has your office brought any projects to this fund,
00:29:39.980 and has Brookfield committed a single dollar to them?
00:29:42.860 No.
00:29:45.140 You or any of the employees seconded from private industry from Brookfield
00:29:51.680 to the major projects office?
00:29:54.260 None.
00:29:55.320 Okay.
00:29:56.060 Going back to the seconding of employees,
00:29:58.260 why do you think private sector companies are sending you their employees
00:30:01.240 and paying half their salary?
00:30:03.560 Is this just something out of the goodness of their heart?
00:30:05.820 Well, because I'm asking them to.
00:30:09.180 And in terms of it is actually when you see,
00:30:12.380 when we phone companies and say we need someone who's got a specialist in finance,
00:30:16.700 we need to evaluate the financing of a large $40 billion pipeline.
00:30:21.340 We want to make sure we do it right.
00:30:23.720 Can you give us a young person?
00:30:25.180 Influence now or in the future?
00:30:25.560 You could see as a private sector company some value in this,
00:30:28.660 in this having an opportunity to have influence now or in the future you guys are talking on top
00:30:33.400 of each other anyway and you are out of time so i think that's good um i thought it was funny
00:30:40.140 because she says i don't know who they are but then i asked them to send these specific individuals
00:30:45.640 and then they say oh did you clear it with the ethics commissioner well you saw what the ethics
00:30:50.500 commissioner is like but she didn't even clear it with that guy she said we cleared it through the
00:30:55.520 pco that's the privy council office guess who those people are mark carney's bureaucrats that's
00:31:01.000 his little bureaucratic army of minions all around him so clearing it through the pco doesn't make it
00:31:07.940 any better and you know if they cleared it through von finkenstein they might rule against some of
00:31:14.560 them but nobody would get any sanctions anyways and brendan leslie makes a good point like why
00:31:18.840 do you think these companies are sending you their staff continuing to pay part of their salary
00:31:25.740 without getting anything in return and she's basically saying because i asked them because
00:31:29.400 they like me it's okay yeah doesn't come on conflict of interest at all there yeah it's
00:31:37.500 it's astounding that they're getting away with this right in front of everybody well and they've
00:31:43.940 put in all these changes to, I think it's Bill C-15, I'd have to double check, but to fast track
00:31:52.420 all of these major projects anyway. And so the whole thing is just riddled with conflicts every
00:31:58.300 which way, including right down to the legislation that makes these major projects possible, like
00:32:04.220 Alto, where they can come in and expropriate your land without any of the usual checks and balances
00:32:09.860 that were in place prior to this new legislation and again i think it's c15 um but i would have to
00:32:17.600 double check uh the number on that one but all of this is just a complete mess made for the
00:32:24.660 enriching of i would say mark carney and his brookfield bros i mean there's no other way to
00:32:31.000 square it yeah and even if they're not brookfield bros they're literally literally his bros down at
00:32:36.800 the running club like it's so galling in the united states you would be in jail for this kind
00:32:43.300 of stuff in jail laurie idlow would be in jail and they wouldn't say oh it was only two thousand
00:32:49.180 dollars they would say this is such an egregious breach of trust that to restore the public trust
00:32:55.000 in its institutions you got to see the inside side of a jail cell sister like 10 years but here
00:33:01.400 it's like it wasn't that much it was only two grand yeah it's just become such common place i
00:33:07.140 mean look at trudeau who paved the way for all of his uh his cabinet ministers handfuls of them
00:33:13.580 were people who went to his wedding not at all fit for the portfolios that they were
00:33:19.980 handling or managing hence why everything is such a mess but it's just because they were part of his
00:33:25.980 wedding party and his inner circle that hey come on in join politics and enrich yourself that's
00:33:30.960 what it's turned into here in canada because there's no nothing to prevent it that's how we
00:33:35.960 got evan solomon so many of them and then yeah when that's our ethics commissioner no wonder
00:33:42.040 yeah uh let's hit an ad break we'll come back on the other side and we'll talk about um the eu
00:33:48.240 i guess we've broken up before we even started going steady so that's embarrassing for mark
00:33:55.960 carney as if he has any shame but we'll talk about it on the other side of the break
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00:36:29.220 We'll go into the EU stuff.
00:36:31.460 uh it's number nine olivia politico europe eu scraps associate member offer for canada
00:36:39.040 a group of countries including germany greece and france i guess carney's charm offensive in
00:36:46.060 europe didn't quite work uh all objected to mentioning associate membership in a joint
00:36:51.700 eu canada statement oh how embarrassing and yet uh ursula von von der loyen uh she says canada and
00:37:05.200 the eu are two complementary systems um that's frightening look at the eu right now look what
00:37:12.800 happened in say utah i think that a lot of that is fueled by eu rules like once you get there and
00:37:19.520 And then you get access to the rest of the EU and then you can just country shop for whatever country will give you the largest amount of benefits.
00:37:27.680 And why in God's name would we want to be part of that, I guess, so that Mark Carney can just, you know, put that notch on his belt of the things that he's done.
00:37:37.720 But let's listen to Ursula von der Leyen.
00:37:40.900 law and land. Canada and the European Union are two complementary systems. Of course Canada cannot 0.79
00:37:52.380 become a full-fledged member of the European Union because of geography. But we both want
00:37:59.620 to bring our relationship to the highest level possible. And this is why we are discussing the
00:38:07.580 idea of Canada becoming the first associate member of the European Union.
00:38:13.920 Our idea is simple. It is an accession that we would not look at, but it is an
00:38:25.140 association without accession. But we can replace accession with a common
00:38:31.580 ambition and vision we can build a partnership that comes closer to membership
00:38:37.820 than anything we've done before canada and the european union why
00:38:44.860 uh it's so funny because she's saying well you know we like you canada and uh it's okay for you
00:38:54.700 to be our side chick but don't expect for us to go public with our relationship that's what it
00:39:00.300 it feels like and it's very embarrassing i think for mark carney for her to be saying that publicly
00:39:04.960 especially after germany greece and france like oh gross who invited the canadians i'm glad someone
00:39:12.380 finally said the elephant in the room though i mean i've been saying this since whenever the
00:39:17.280 whole like canada is the next member uh european member state or sorry european union member state
00:39:24.820 I've been saying this, but yeah, geographically, this makes absolutely zero sense.
00:39:29.980 We need to continue with the allyship and the partnership that we have had since Canada
00:39:38.440 became a country with the United States, our longest shared border, closest neighboring
00:39:44.980 partner geographically, economically.
00:39:47.160 I mean, it all makes sense to be in that partnership there, not to have this, whatever's
00:39:55.500 happening here with Canada becoming a European Union associate member at this point.
00:40:02.400 But finally, someone on the world stage said that kind of quiet part out loud, that geographically,
00:40:07.540 of course, this doesn't make any sense.
00:40:08.800 We're not in Europe.
00:40:09.740 We're not in Europe.
00:40:11.280 No. 0.95
00:40:12.660 This is ridiculous.
00:40:14.520 But I mean, so now they're trying to finagle and figure out any which way we could get Canada somehow associated or affiliated with the European Union without them actually being in Europe. 0.52
00:40:26.040 I mean, it just doesn't make any sense to me.
00:40:28.020 So why, what is the point of all of this?
00:40:31.120 I mean, it just doesn't, who's getting rich because it doesn't make sense.
00:40:35.480 Well, and I think it's directly related to the fact that they have no intention on healing our relationship with the United States.
00:40:41.820 We've got David McGinty on the EU partnership, association, side-checkness.
00:40:51.440 He said Canada's not surrendering its sovereignty.
00:40:54.320 Well, what's the point of us joining then?
00:40:56.860 Is it just so that we can say like, oh, we're in the fancy kids club?
00:41:01.640 Because if we're not going to surrender certain things to the EU, then why would we ever even bother joining?
00:41:11.820 exactly what is the point? Canada's not surrendering its sovereignty, Canada's
00:41:17.760 not surrendering its authorities, Canada's not giving up its power and its
00:41:22.060 responsibilities for borders and immigration and fiscal policies. We're
00:41:27.300 not going to be adopting European Union directives and regulations, which is
00:41:32.480 something different that they contend with. No, what we're doing is we are
00:41:35.340 building a deeper, better relationship with the European Union as part of our
00:41:40.380 diversification and our economic and defense plans okay fine you can do that we don't need
00:41:46.680 to be a member state no you can do all of that without uh becoming an associate friend
00:41:55.360 like i don't know what they would even call us because they're flat out saying no they're not
00:42:00.400 going to get membership even as an associate um we'll we'll get you as close as possible without
00:42:05.760 calling you an associate member so what is the point then again and um this is something we've
00:42:13.100 talked about on the show before it's uh number 12 cbc headline um the eu has carbon tariffs
00:42:22.520 on things that are imported from outside of the eu that don't have carbon taxes on them
00:42:30.940 And if you join the EU and you import things from other countries that don't have carbon taxes on them, i.e. the United States, you're obliged to impose an inbound carbon tariff on those goods.
00:42:48.320 And so these documents said that Canada, we just listened to David McGinty say we're not giving up any control if we get closer to the EU, but the EU itself was saying there would be no exemptions for Canada despite adopting carbon pricing.
00:43:08.620 Because if we were to import, let's say, Ontario via line five and nine end up with oil that has come through the United States, doesn't have carbon tax on it, you would be obliged by your affiliation with the EU to impose a carbon tax on that on its way into the country.
00:43:32.940 And yeah, they're saying there would be no exemptions for Canada whatsoever.
00:43:38.620 And so Mark Carney's just trying to sneakily secure associate member status somehow to skirt paying taxes.
00:43:49.500 Yeah.
00:43:50.400 They're nonsense taxes that he's trying to skirt the rules.
00:43:54.820 Well, not even that.
00:43:56.120 It would oblige us to impose taxes, which would be paid at the point of the consumer.
00:44:01.500 So if you, for example, because our oil and gas relationship with the United States is
00:44:06.900 so integrated, sometimes unrefined product ends up in the United States and comes back
00:44:10.640 to Canada refined, okay, whatever.
00:44:13.880 But when that refined product comes back in, it hasn't been taxed at the point of production
00:44:18.620 by the Americans because they think this stuff is crazy.
00:44:21.380 But we would then be obliged to apply that tax on the way in the door, the tariff.
00:44:26.620 And guess who pays that? 0.61
00:44:27.660 Not the Americans. 0.75
00:44:28.580 The Canadian consumer would pay those at the pump.
00:44:30.820 it sounds like we need to just stay as far away as possible from the european union run in the
00:44:37.720 other direction please which would be towards the loving arms of our american friends um we
00:44:43.000 speaking of uh remember when mark carney mused that um there could be a potential military threat
00:44:52.780 from our american friends and we should brace ourselves for that which is so crazy
00:44:57.420 like so crazy this headline from the globe and mail ottawa vows to prepare for all contingencies
00:45:04.160 including war in national security plan threats facing canada increasingly complex ranging from
00:45:11.680 climate change so we're at war with the weather uh ai and of course as mark carney mused not all
00:45:18.980 that long ago perhaps our american friends who would overtake us in the blink of an eye
00:45:23.840 just based on their military might and expertise alone climate change there we're back to climate
00:45:32.280 change being the biggest threat facing canadians i guess yeah i'm just reading all of the weather
00:45:37.740 all of the things they're saying that that poses a security threat to us yeah climate change of
00:45:44.680 course terrorism pandemics yeah you have to have that in there um cyber attacks and uh the
00:45:51.860 increasing possibility of a major war. And who are we sending off to war? Well, we opened and
00:45:57.640 expanded eligibility to become a member of our Canadian Armed Forces military. And so anyone
00:46:07.940 with any sort of anxiety or mental health afflictions, if you're, I think even like
00:46:16.840 obesity has now been kind of disregarded as something that you can now join our military
00:46:25.560 regardless of your actual health, your mental capacity, your mental stamina, mental and physical
00:46:33.500 stamina don't seem to be being upheld any longer. So the Canadian, not only is our artillery
00:46:41.540 completely outdated and not fit for this kind of any sort of war i would say but also our um
00:46:51.880 military personnel the members themselves uh the morale is so low because of all these woke
00:46:58.280 nonsense dei policies telling men that their masculinity is toxic and then opening it to
00:47:06.580 you know people who you wouldn't really want to send out to the front lines to battle for your
00:47:12.780 country because they have things like anxiety and and depression and that's nothing against anyone
00:47:19.060 who's suffering from those sorts of mental health afflictions but i don't think putting you into
00:47:24.460 our military is the best spot for you to be given that mental state well and of course we've got
00:47:32.420 the doors open to foreign mercenaries just you don't have to be a citizen to serve in our military
00:47:39.280 now but i thought it was funny the things that they are concerned about that could constitute a
00:47:45.620 war first one cyber attacks second one climate change the other one pandemics uh guess what is
00:47:52.640 the source of those things as a country uh china and so what country are we warming relations
00:48:02.140 with? China. So you liberals got to pick a lane. Do you care about cyber attacks,
00:48:08.660 climate change, and pandemics? I care about two of the three of those.
00:48:14.980 Why are you getting in bed with the country that is belching particulates into the atmosphere,
00:48:21.340 which is a real environmental contaminant, not CO2, but like particulates, they're belching
00:48:29.060 that into the environment. CFCs and all those sorts of things, they are behind many cyber
00:48:35.120 attacks. I'm worried about their dangerous use of AI to enforce social credit at home
00:48:41.300 and abroad. And they were the source of the COVID-19 pandemic. And I can't wait for the
00:48:46.200 next one. They spawn upon the world. So if you're concerned about those things and you're
00:48:50.760 taking steps to become prepared for those things, why are you cozying up to China and
00:48:57.100 committing to intelligence sharing with the people behind those threats. Somebody make that one make
00:49:03.660 sense to me. Yeah, in the span of seven months, Carney went from China's our largest national
00:49:09.560 security threat to we're building and forging new security and information sharing relations with
00:49:16.580 China. Yeah. Let's move ahead to the tanker ban stuff so we can hit the things all on the headline 0.67
00:49:23.380 and then I would love to talk about Don Davies and Stelco because Stelco did something quite
00:49:28.180 creative to the federal government and if it weren't Canadian money involved, I would be a
00:49:36.100 little bit more smug about what's happening there. But yesterday, the Conservatives had a bill C-264
00:49:45.340 and it was to remove the tanker ban on the Pacific coast because the tanker ban was just
00:49:53.140 ruled unconstitutional by the federal court, thanks to a challenge brought forward by and
00:49:57.700 large by Alberta. And so the conservatives gave them an out, said, okay, the federal court said
00:50:04.300 this is unconstitutional. Let's get rid of your unconstitutional law. So the conservatives brought
00:50:11.560 forward the bill and Mark Carney and his liberal friends voted it down. So we are approximately a
00:50:20.780 week and a half out of the referendum and they're back to treating us like garbage we've got a video
00:50:25.900 here uh number 15 olivia ansty this is ansty mr carney mr carney mr ananda sangri mr cedar
00:50:34.500 bramptonese you can see them all just standing up there getting ready yeah yeah we've got a
00:50:41.920 yeah uh and mark carney stood up to vote it down we've got a video from dane lloyd
00:50:47.540 um he said there's a canadian energy company willing to upgrade the port of prince rupert
00:50:55.840 so that we can ship oil out of the port uh is there a video here i think there is um he said
00:51:04.600 that um they would be then able to ship out of there wouldn't cost the public a dime
00:51:10.940 and all they need is the removal of the unconstitutional tanker ban and the liberals
00:51:18.740 just voted against that is there a video there olivia yeah here we go mark carney your bluff
00:51:24.560 is being called you told canadians that you want to turn our country into an energy superpower
00:51:30.420 that you want to open new markets for all forms of canadian energy including canadian oil and gas
00:51:37.840 Well, this past weekend, there was a groundbreaking development.
00:51:42.020 A majority conservative government was elected in British Columbia,
00:51:46.180 and the fifth largest oil sands company in Alberta has said that it wants to ship oil by rail
00:51:53.960 out of Prince Rupert off the west coast of British Columbia within two years.
00:51:59.040 The only thing that stands in their way is you, Mark Carney.
00:52:02.840 There is no excuse not to get this oil by rail project going today.
00:52:07.840 The rail line has already been built. We don't need any more studies. We don't need any more
00:52:13.280 committees. All we need to do is lift the West Coast tanker band so that we can get 250,000
00:52:19.980 barrels of Alberta's oil shipped off our West Coast to Asian markets that are willing to pay 0.93
00:52:25.380 full price. And here's the thing. All you need to do is give the same exemption to the Port of 0.99
00:52:31.180 Prince Rupert that you gave to the Port of Vancouver. If it's good enough to have a pipeline
00:52:35.820 that's exporting oil every single day
00:52:38.720 from the Port of Vancouver,
00:52:39.940 a highly populated and sensitive marine area,
00:52:43.140 then it's good enough to issue an export permit
00:52:45.780 to get oil off of Prince Rupert.
00:52:47.840 In fact, Prince Rupert is a superior port
00:52:50.560 in so many ways because it's already out on the open open.
00:52:53.920 It goes on.
00:52:54.920 Basically, he's saying there's this huge opportunity.
00:52:57.760 It won't cost the Canadian public a dollar.
00:52:59.760 It will also increase the value of our oil and gas
00:53:02.620 by getting it to far-flung export markets.
00:53:05.140 and yet the liberals voted down that opportunity yesterday even after they were told by the federal
00:53:10.480 court that their tanker ban was unconstitutional but as rachel gilmore writhed on the internet
00:53:16.480 won't anybody think of the orcas no please let's not even yeah bring her up but good points you
00:53:24.820 know i just kind of as a side note here i really appreciate the lengths that some politicians are
00:53:33.740 going to speak directly to the people from their social media platforms. In the age of failing
00:53:43.280 mainstream media, you can see more and more taking it into their own hands to get their message
00:53:49.140 across to the people in their own words without having to go through that middleman anymore. And
00:53:54.840 I see that happening so much more across kind of all party lines and especially very much so
00:54:02.800 heightened during this municipal election as well um and I appreciate that I like that some people
00:54:08.660 are taking that initiative on their own they're saying you know what we're not even going to wait
00:54:12.000 or try with the mainstream media anymore we're just going to go direct to consumer and I think
00:54:16.280 that that is is uh showing itself in the future of how social media and uh the voice of the people
00:54:24.340 and the voice of of the politicians who are you know supposed to represent them are getting out
00:54:29.800 there into the public space in this you know technological day and age so i appreciate that
00:54:35.420 he can you know he did that video and explainer because i think it's really important to have that
00:54:40.400 and we don't get it from anywhere else yeah um let's move ahead just as we head towards the end
00:54:48.700 of the show um stelco i think it's in hamilton stelco and hamilton um so yeah so stelco was
00:54:58.740 bought by ohio-based company cleveland cliffs in 2024 um the conditions at the time included a
00:55:12.660 promise to maintain at least the same number of unionized employees in canada for five years
00:55:17.040 as well as the vast majority of non-unionized workers according to the government statement
00:55:22.140 at the time now last week stelco announced a plan to idle certain production in hamilton
00:55:28.300 which would result in 500 layoffs company-wide. So that's happening. The owner, Lorenzo
00:55:38.480 Gonsalves, said the cuts are necessary and justified thanks to an unprecedented trade war.
00:55:46.640 The circumstances have changed. You can't expect this company to hang on to these employees
00:55:52.300 when things have changed, but I think the Liberals were slightly played by the Stelco
00:56:01.040 new ownership because the guy who bought Stelco said he told the Canadian press he bought Stelco
00:56:09.700 to stop it from flooding the U.S. market with cheaper steel. And that was in 2024 that he did
00:56:17.780 that. And he's, I think he's a bit of a Trump ally. And so I think just yesterday, industry
00:56:25.480 minister Jolie said that the government has contacted its lawyers about what she called
00:56:29.500 these confessions and questioned whether the company made its takeover commitments in good
00:56:35.220 faith. Well, they've laid off 175 workers so far out of 500 plan cuts in Hamilton and Nanticoke,
00:56:45.980 i think uh ontario but um things have changed since 2024 you know like they might not like
00:56:53.720 this guy because he's trump friendly and he he said flat out i bought it because the canadians
00:56:59.680 were dumping steel into the american market and i wanted to put a stop to that now that is not to
00:57:04.120 say that stelco uh hasn't been doing things in the canadian marketplace since then um but
00:57:11.340 what do you what do you want them to do there's tariffs like it is affecting their bottom line
00:57:19.480 so they can either and i hate to say it lay off 500 employees to save everybody else
00:57:25.140 you know things have changed i i don't know anyways i now what is the government going to do
00:57:33.600 it seems like the liberals would just rather a private company go down with the sinking ship
00:57:39.080 rather than try to somehow salvage its operations because of their failings and horrible policy
00:57:48.140 that has resulted in these the tariffs in the first place i mean again we could have gotten
00:57:54.600 ahead of these tariffs had the liberals have taken trump's campaign promises and threats to do so
00:58:01.640 seriously uh almost two years ago this is like the tariffs were no surprise the fact that people
00:58:08.100 still to this day act as though like orange man bad tariffs bad we had a heads up that this would
00:58:16.280 be happening and trump said clean up your streets clean up your borders get a handle on your
00:58:20.600 immigration and the flow of contraband coming uh into the country into canada and then you know
00:58:27.140 into the united states from canada and then i won't do tariffs but until that's dealt with
00:58:33.320 he was very forthcoming that tariffs were on the horizon and now that they're here people are like
00:58:37.700 shock and awe Trump followed through um they didn't get ahead of this and now companies are
00:58:43.780 making decisions to save their bottom lines and no one should be surprised that that is the
00:58:48.800 landscape and the economics happening in this country especially we have this big banker bro
00:58:54.300 who's supposed to be leading the way and uh was going to turn the ship around and and get our
00:58:59.760 economy back in action and salvaged uh but Mark Carney has failed on all of his election campaign
00:59:06.580 promises while Trump follows through on his. And we should not be surprised any longer.
00:59:11.560 Well, and as a side note, what in the Caracas, Venezuela is all of this nonsense anyway?
00:59:17.960 This was a private company sale from one private company to another private company. And yet in
00:59:24.440 the middle of this, Jolie is saying that Ottawa could take the company to court, seek financial
00:59:31.420 penalties because they're laying off workers in the middle of an unprecedented tariff war,
00:59:37.300 or they could force a sale of this private company. Stelco, from what I understand,
00:59:44.860 is paying its taxes. It's not in default to the federal government. The only thing it's doing is
00:59:49.560 making a financial decision in the middle of an unprecedented tariff war to lay off 500 workers
00:59:54.680 to keep the company afloat a trade war that the liberals don't seem all that focused on fixing
01:00:02.880 so who the hell does the federal government really think it is like this is a private company there's
01:00:09.200 this private company to private company that that made the sale ottawa signed off on it and now they
01:00:14.980 are saying that they could potentially force the sale of stelco to whom to to the federal government
01:00:20.620 who would buy a steel company in canada now
01:00:23.500 anyways um i'm and i know we're at the end of the show but when i say to whom the federal
01:00:34.580 government uh that is not just an idea that popped into my head it's what the ndp are saying
01:00:40.620 federally so uh don davies so he was the interim leader before avi lewis
01:00:46.960 um he's saying bring stelco under public ownership like i said what in the caracas venezuela
01:00:54.560 is this nonsense you start nationalizing major industries like this and you you want to see
01:01:00.640 foreign investment dry up this is how you do it this is how an oil rich company or country like
01:01:05.880 venezuela has people eating zoo animals during times of starvation because nobody will come there
01:01:12.860 and develop your industries yeah meddling private companies doesn't oh doesn't exactly scream fair
01:01:19.420 free and fair to me no unsolved his last night about his motivation and buying it which i'm sure
01:01:27.580 was not spelled out uh or i i assume was not spelled out in the documents he submitted as
01:01:32.860 an undertaking when they were trying to inquire it a couple of years ago well it was it was shocking
01:01:38.300 but it was deeply revealing.
01:01:40.260 Look, you know, I think the New Democrats are the only party that are saying,
01:01:44.080 let's bring Stelco under public ownership to protect jobs
01:01:46.980 and to protect the Canadian steel industry like the UK did in July.
01:01:50.900 As you know, Britain nationalized British steel in July
01:01:56.180 because we're not talking about manufacturing basketballs or running shoes here, David.
01:02:01.240 We're talking about the steel industry.
01:02:03.340 This is something that is foundational to a modern industrial economy.
01:02:06.520 It actually, I think, is essential to our national security and, in fact, our sovereignty.
01:02:12.820 Now, look, who are we dealing with here?
01:02:14.700 We're dealing with someone who's an avowed Trump supporter,
01:02:17.360 someone who supports Donald Trump's protectionist trade policies,
01:02:21.980 who's on record as supporting the U.S. steel tariffs.
01:02:26.400 And, of course, we heard this, we suspected before, but he confirmed it yesterday,
01:02:30.000 that the reason he bought Stelco is to stop, according to him,
01:02:35.640 to stop Stelco from so-called flooding the U.S. market with steel.
01:02:39.080 You know, we've let the cat in the hen house here.
01:02:42.100 And, you know, this is just, he's shown us who we are.
01:02:45.680 So sending letters and demand letters when it's very clear what's happening here.
01:02:51.220 We have someone who is intent on reducing Canadian steel production in Canada.
01:02:58.420 that's a clear signal that we need to act and by the way sending a demand letter doesn't initiate
01:03:03.600 legal action right filing a statement of claim initiates legal action and uh you know they're
01:03:09.740 not denying um or they're denying that they're uh in breach as as was said by my conservative
01:03:14.720 colleagues so you don't give someone time to comply who doesn't think that they're not complying
01:03:20.020 it's time for action you know what's going to happen here uh cleveland cliffs or cliffs cleveland
01:03:26.660 cleveland cliffs they're going to sell stelco that's what's going to happen and you're going
01:03:31.940 to see a thousand people laid off that's what's going to happen here and they're clearly just
01:03:37.580 punishing this guy yeah because he's a trump supporter yeah they're that they're just punishing
01:03:42.440 him for his politics yeah that's exactly what's happening uh olivia says we need to wrap the show 0.99
01:03:48.380 they need the studio we've got one chat here don p e 7g gives us five bucks sounds like ursula wants 0.99
01:03:55.500 a joint checking account with Canada. Perhaps, but someone should tell her that she shouldn't 1.00
01:04:02.920 join her checking account with the broke brother-in-law that's going to sleep on the 0.89
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