Rebel News Podcast - Catherine McKenna's Indonesia adventure

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today's podcast, you're going to find it stomach-turning, literally.

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00:00:18.220 Today I talk about Catherine McKenna's trip to Indonesia in her 20s,

00:00:23.320 where she did some gross things. Yeah, gross is just gross, though. 1.00

00:00:27.320 She did some immoral things, and it's all on video.

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00:00:57.320 Tonight, Catherine McKenna ate a dog, watched a cockfight, and attended a forced marriage. 1.00

00:01:05.400 No, this is not a joke. It's October 6th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

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00:01:19.480 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:25.360 Great scoop the other day by the website The Post Millennial.

00:01:35.220 They found an old travel video featuring Catherine McKenna, the disgraced Trudeau cabinet minister,

00:01:40.740 back before she was in politics, and she was one of four stars, I guess, of a reality-style travel movie.

00:01:48.160 An early version of a travel blog or those Instagram travelers, but it was turned into a movie, 45 minutes.

00:01:55.960 It was sort of like a reality TV show before those were a big thing.

00:02:00.100 McKenna and three young men traveled together, lived in tents together,

00:02:05.400 really spent every waking and sleeping moment together for 60 days as they went through Indonesia.

00:02:10.660 That's a quirky arrangement, don't you think? But let's put that aside for now.

00:02:14.680 The Post Millennial clipped a few moments from the video, and obviously it got under McKenna's skin 0.99

00:02:20.480 because she responded publicly this way.

00:02:23.960 She said,

00:02:25.420 Conservatives seem to think a 25-year-old documentary that ran on Discovery's Travel Channel for years is a gotcha moment.

00:02:33.440 So here it is. Watch for yourself.

00:02:36.000 Then back to this century so we can keep helping people through COVID-19 and build a better Canada.

00:02:42.200 Well, I'm actually glad she tweeted that because I hadn't seen the original video.

00:02:48.440 I couldn't find it. I just saw the clips that the Post Millennial had published.

00:02:52.320 So I did what McKenna said, and I did watch the whole thing.

00:02:56.800 And it's pretty bad.

00:02:59.180 Here, I'll take you through some of it now.

00:03:00.780 As I mentioned, McKenna and three young men went hiking through Indonesia for two months.

00:03:05.900 Better known for its political and social unrest than its surf and sand,

00:03:11.360 Indonesia is one of the most diverse and exciting countries to travel.

00:03:15.140 With the prospect of fun and adventure, our group of four set out to travel from Jakarta to Flores in 60 days,

00:03:21.640 covering a span of 1,500 miles through some of the most remote regions in southern Indonesia.

00:03:27.540 And here's our star.

00:03:29.660 Catherine was the diplomat and the bravest one in the group.

00:03:31.980 But how she managed to keep her sanity with three other guys, we'll never know.

00:03:35.880 I'm going to tell you, it's torture being beside build-up.

00:03:38.340 I should mention that in the credits rolling at the end of the film,

00:03:41.820 McKenna is listed as a producer.

00:03:43.760 So she helped shape the message.

00:03:45.840 I mean, she lived it, obviously.

00:03:47.620 She was one of the stars.

00:03:49.000 But what she published, what they broadcast, had her approval.

00:03:52.940 This is her message.

00:03:54.560 Take a look.

00:03:55.000 All right, lots of it was boring.

00:04:00.280 Shots of McKenna sleeping on buses is not riveting TV.

00:04:04.340 But pretty soon it got a bit too exciting.

00:04:07.180 It even got criminal.

00:04:08.640 Here, watch this.

00:04:10.840 We picked up a hitchhiker named BMO who invited us to a Balinese cockfight. 0.97

00:04:15.160 We jumped at the opportunity.

00:04:17.000 This was going to be an adventure.

00:04:18.260 Before we entered the fight, BMO explained that everyone who watched

00:04:30.020 had to donate 5,000 Indonesian rupiah, or three U.S. dollars, as a bribe to the police.

00:04:35.760 Apparently the police would show up and threaten arrest if they didn't receive any money.

00:04:39.000 So to be clear, cockfighting is a crime.

00:04:42.980 It's pitting two animals against each other to the death.

00:04:46.480 It's the kind of thing that Michael Vick did to dogs, the disgraced NFL quarterback who

00:04:51.680 forced his own pets to fight and injure each other.

00:04:55.020 He also did extremely cruel things like drowning his pets alive. 0.97

00:04:59.400 He's sick. 0.99

00:05:00.840 People who abuse animals are sick. 0.99

00:05:03.480 They often go on to abuse people.

00:05:05.760 So that's what's going on here, except that these local peasants, 1.00

00:05:09.000 were actually affixing blades to the claws of these birds.

00:05:13.480 I mean, birds can hurt each other naturally.

00:05:15.460 Birds do fight with each other in nature.

00:05:18.180 But these men wanted it more violent, more painful,

00:05:21.040 and they insisted the fight be to the death.

00:05:25.400 So they attached these blades to these birds to wound and hurt each other,

00:05:30.960 and they forced the fight to go on until one animal died.

00:05:35.140 It was illegal.

00:05:35.920 So they collected money to pay bribes to any police who happened to come by.

00:05:43.380 And Catherine McKenna paid those bribes. 1.00

00:05:48.080 This wasn't something she hid.

00:05:50.460 They boasted about this in the documentary.

00:05:53.080 It was aired on TV, and McKenna, presumably, as a producer, got paid for this.

00:05:58.320 So they filmed illegal animal cruelty.

00:06:02.300 They filmed an illegal cockfight.

00:06:04.280 They filmed themselves not only breaking that law,

00:06:07.640 but putting together money to break another law, bribing the police.

00:06:11.660 And that shocking footage was so salacious,

00:06:15.280 it was bought by the Discovery Channel, apparently.

00:06:18.760 They paid for that, and McKenna made money off it. 1.00

00:06:22.480 Here's some more.

00:06:23.200 When the cocks were armed and ready for battle, 0.97

00:06:30.820 they were brought into the arena.

00:06:34.740 Only minutes before the duel to death,

00:06:36.720 people were given a last chance to bet.

00:06:41.040 And then the cockfight began. 1.00

00:06:42.760 As luck would have it, BMO's cock won, 0.98

00:06:57.420 and I was a few dollars richer. 0.96

00:06:59.840 And in tradition, the winner of the fight brought home the loser for dinner.

00:07:04.220 It's fun.

00:07:05.320 Yeah, it's fun. 0.98

00:07:07.240 The loser! 1.00

00:07:08.500 The loser! 0.84

00:07:09.520 The winner!

00:07:10.560 BMO's family would be eating well that night.

00:07:13.140 I suppose Indonesia is a cruel place, 1.00

00:07:15.760 but you don't have to engage in it.

00:07:17.920 You don't have to subsidize it.

00:07:19.700 You don't have to romanticize it, worsen it, with such joy.

00:07:23.620 Here's another scene where McKenna is eating dogs. 0.88

00:07:28.840 I found out one of the most popular dishes in Flores was dog.

00:07:33.640 Guess what we had for lunch?

00:07:38.040 Now, I don't know how the dogs were killed for her meal. 0.98

00:07:41.140 Were the dogs killed Michael Vick style?

00:07:44.520 I don't know.

00:07:45.560 Maybe they were killed painlessly.

00:07:46.980 I have no idea.

00:07:48.340 I understand that some places in the world eat dogs,

00:07:50.780 just like some places eat rabbits.

00:07:52.940 Some places eat horses.

00:07:54.040 But would you eat a dog?

00:07:57.160 I mean, would you?

00:07:58.620 Don't just think of the question.

00:07:59.820 Think of your answer.

00:08:00.680 If you were literally starving, you probably would.

00:08:04.760 But what if you were just on a vacation for kicks?

00:08:07.700 Would you eat a dog?

00:08:09.960 Catherine McKennell did.

00:08:11.200 Oh, did I call her McKennell?

00:08:13.480 I meant McKenna.

00:08:15.660 McKennell talks about dogs a lot.

00:08:17.680 I wonder if she's ever had any regret over eating a dog.

00:08:22.080 I wonder what kind of dog she ate. 0.65

00:08:24.660 Here's a tweet by her.

00:08:26.580 If only dogs could vote a total liberal.

00:08:29.920 Yeah, I don't think so, Catherine.

00:08:32.600 Dogs for Catherine.

00:08:34.980 Yeah, I know one dog that wouldn't be.

00:08:36.740 I don't know about you, but dog content is some of my favorite content.

00:08:42.080 Yeah, what was the dog content of your last meal?

00:08:44.980 That's what I want to know, McKennell.

00:08:47.740 My awesome seat companion, Brady.

00:08:50.060 A gorgeous Golden Lab guide dog.

00:08:53.020 Awesome, gorgeous.

00:08:54.860 Just don't say delicious, you creep.

00:08:57.800 I guess once you've paid to watch an illegal cockfight, 0.90

00:09:01.220 where abusing animals is literally the whole point of it,

00:09:04.300 merely eating a boiled dog might not seem so bad.

00:09:09.580 Although later in the movie, McKennell moans about missing steak.

00:09:13.320 I presume she means beef, but you never know with her.

00:09:17.300 I can name about a hundred things that I miss.

00:09:21.820 Miss cheese.

00:09:23.160 Miss milk. 0.86

00:09:24.640 I miss cereal.

00:09:26.620 I miss barbecues.

00:09:28.340 I miss steak.

00:09:30.300 Yeah, poor dear. 0.94

00:09:31.440 But there's one scene near the end of the movie about a wedding she attended.

00:09:35.760 Now, I understand arranged marriages. 0.51

00:09:38.560 It's when a bride's family and a groom's family make an agreement about a wedding,

00:09:43.020 and falling in love is not the key component, but rather the two families' compatibility.

00:09:48.140 There are very many successful arranged marriages.

00:09:51.600 The compatibility of both families is indeed important in life.

00:09:55.000 And many couples in such arranged marriages do fall in love.

00:09:59.520 In the romantic Western concept of the word, but that's not the primary purpose of it.

00:10:05.300 Arranged doesn't mean forced, by the way.

00:10:07.700 Many arranged marriages have the support of the bride and groom.

00:10:11.400 But what you are about to see is not that.

00:10:15.200 This is not two families agreeing to join together.

00:10:19.760 This is an auction.

00:10:24.260 This is the sale of a woman. 1.00

00:10:26.680 Not two families merging.

00:10:28.200 It's a young woman put up for sale to the highest bidder. 0.94

00:10:31.280 Men bid for her. 0.99

00:10:33.360 We don't know her age.

00:10:34.720 She might be a teenager.

00:10:36.080 It's hard to tell.

00:10:37.740 Both families do seem supportive, so the documentary claims.

00:10:41.280 But they say the brutal fact of it, she was bought and sold.

00:10:46.080 She was traded for a few animals and some cash.

00:10:49.920 She was sold like property.

00:10:52.920 We have a word for that.

00:10:55.280 Trafficked.

00:10:56.000 She was subject to human trafficking.

00:10:58.740 Take a look.

00:11:04.340 Looks like a traditional wedding feast here.

00:11:07.460 Should be good.

00:11:08.400 I think I've taken a little too much, though.

00:11:09.840 The bride price was three buffaloes and four and a half million rupees.

00:11:15.420 And we're eating two of the buffaloes tonight.

00:11:18.200 I've heard of dowries before.

00:11:20.360 It's like a pre-inheritance.

00:11:22.340 But I don't think that's what this was.

00:11:24.440 You heard them.

00:11:25.600 It was whoever paid the most got the woman for himself.

00:11:30.680 That's not an arranged marriage with a dowry. 0.97

00:11:33.560 That's not consent.

00:11:35.320 That is a woman for sale. 1.00

00:11:37.660 As the evening wound down, our hosts opened up a pink velvet honeymoon room.

00:11:44.220 This was where the bride and groom were to consummate their wedding.

00:11:47.560 But by the looks of the groom, maybe not.

00:11:50.260 Who knows?

00:11:52.480 Who knows?

00:11:52.820 Maybe that girl was actually 18.

00:11:54.960 Maybe it was all voluntary.

00:11:56.740 Maybe she wasn't really sold for some cash and two buffaloes or whatever it was. 0.97

00:12:01.940 Maybe this is what Catherine McKennell means when she says, she's a feminist. 1.00

00:12:06.140 Go, girl power. 1.00

00:12:07.740 Just like Justin Trudeau is a feminist. 1.00

00:12:09.560 Just like Harvey Weinstein is a feminist. 1.00

00:12:11.960 Just like Gian Gomeschi is a feminist. 1.00

00:12:14.280 Just like Jeffrey Epstein was a feminist. 1.00

00:12:18.080 I believe in traveling.

00:12:19.440 I believe in traveling to places where their cultures are different from our own.

00:12:23.640 I've been to Iraq.

00:12:25.640 Not exactly a feminist bastion. 1.00

00:12:27.560 I've been to China.

00:12:28.920 Not a place to let your dog off the leash.

00:12:31.400 I was a guest in both countries, though.

00:12:33.180 I didn't go to scold them.

00:12:34.780 But neither did I go to participate in things that are morally repugnant to me.

00:12:39.460 Eating dog meat is not illegal.

00:12:43.580 And it is culturally acceptable in some countries.

00:12:46.420 I just don't think I could eat a bite without my body making me gag and throw up.

00:12:50.640 My gag reflex would take over.

00:12:52.420 How could she do that as a professed dog lover?

00:12:56.200 Just how on earth could she do that? 0.89

00:12:59.240 But the cockfight.

00:13:01.000 To deliberately cheer and lust for the painful death of an animal.

00:13:04.980 Imagine the people gathered there.

00:13:07.660 Where's her moral compunction? 1.00

00:13:10.460 And I'm not sure if it's worse.

00:13:11.820 I think it is to pay into a bribe fund.

00:13:15.420 So if the Indonesian government, you know, they were trying to stop cockfighting. 0.71

00:13:19.240 It was against the law.

00:13:19.940 They had police trying to enforce the laws against animal cruelty.

00:13:23.040 But a bunch of rich Westerners put in some real cash to corrupt the local police.

00:13:27.660 To stop them from cracking down on animal abuse.

00:13:30.540 Indonesia was trying to do the right thing.

00:13:33.380 Catherine McKenna just wanted her documentary and she wanted to film the blood. 0.99

00:13:37.100 But what about that marriage?

00:13:40.480 We don't know enough about it to judge for sure.

00:13:44.420 I don't think we can trust much that the narrator of this strange documentary says.

00:13:50.100 But if we take them at face value, this was not two families agreeing to join together.

00:13:56.220 This was not two families who believed that their children was a match.

00:13:59.820 And that lust or romantic love was just less important in compatibility.

00:14:02.920 I can respect an arranged marriage. 0.75

00:14:06.680 This was not an arranged marriage like that though.

00:14:09.320 Going by McKenna's movie, she was a producer, not just a star of it.

00:14:13.700 That young woman was sold for the highest price.

00:14:17.680 Sold.

00:14:19.020 If someone had offered more cash in the auction, she'd be with him.

00:14:23.920 It wasn't really arranged at all, was it?

00:14:26.060 The only arrangement was the paying of the price.

00:14:29.360 We don't sell women. 1.00

00:14:31.180 We certainly don't sell girls. 1.00

00:14:32.940 That's a form of slavery. 0.99

00:14:34.360 That's the definition of trafficking.

00:14:38.160 I think Catherine McKenna owes us an explanation for these things.

00:14:42.100 She wasn't a child when she went there.

00:14:43.880 She wasn't a teenager.

00:14:45.320 Catherine McKenna, I mean, she went there as a grown woman.

00:14:47.660 She was in her mid-twenties already.

00:14:49.560 She was sophisticated already, educated.

00:14:51.460 Even if the decision to do these things was made in the spur of the moment, the decision

00:14:56.660 to participate in a cockfight and bribe police, to eat dog meat, to celebrate a woman being 0.95

00:15:01.540 sold, she had time to contemplate them, to think about them.

00:15:04.720 The movie was made and produced and broadcast long after the fact.

00:15:08.520 As a producer, she would have helped choose what was in the final cut.

00:15:12.720 She approved of the messages after reflecting on the whole thing.

00:15:16.880 This is who she is, and presumably she got paid for it. 0.99

00:15:23.000 Catherine McKenna is an immoral, unethical woman. 1.00

00:15:27.380 And if you've got a dog, do yourself a favor and keep it on a leash when McKenna is nearby. 0.98

00:15:33.080 What do you think?

00:15:34.960 I think Catherine McKenna has to answer for these things.

00:15:37.860 There is an answer.

00:15:39.380 Does she regret them?

00:15:40.860 Does she regret eating dog meat?

00:15:43.040 But that's the least of it.

00:15:43.920 Does she regret in attending a bloody, deathly cockfight that abused animals?

00:15:49.560 Does she regret bribing police?

00:15:51.880 And does this feminist have any compunction about attending the wedding of someone who 1.00

00:15:57.080 was sold for the highest price?

00:15:59.760 You know, there's not a lot to laugh at here, but we've got to have a sense of humor about things.

00:16:04.540 We decided to sell this t-shirt that says,

00:16:08.160 Don't Eat Me! 0.89

00:16:09.000 A gentle reminder of what Catherine McKenna did, the least of what she did.

00:16:15.280 If you want a copy of this shirt, go to Catherine McKenna, spelt the right way, 0.90

00:16:21.260 Catherine, M-C-K-E-N-N-E-L dot com. 0.98

00:16:27.420 Stay with us for more.

00:16:28.440 Welcome back.

00:16:42.240 Well, it's about a month to the U.S. election.

00:16:44.760 Extremely exciting.

00:16:45.800 I tell you, there's more news jammed into a day than into a month, into a year in the past.

00:16:52.480 It's hard to believe that it was just a week ago that Trump and Biden were squaring off in the

00:16:57.840 presidential debate.

00:16:58.740 Since then, Donald Trump has been diagnosed with COVID, gone to the hospital, come back.

00:17:04.600 And it's amazing.

00:17:06.480 Joe Biden has done town halls with sympathetic journalists, and he's brought out the age-old 0.71

00:17:12.240 slur that Donald Trump is a Nazi sympathizer. 0.93

00:17:17.900 It's laughable. 0.98

00:17:19.160 In fact, as you may know, his daughter Ivanka converted to Judaism, married another Jew named

00:17:24.980 Jared Kushner.

00:17:25.880 Their family is Jewish.

00:17:27.540 The kids call him Zaydi, which is the Yiddish word for grandpa.

00:17:32.800 Not just that, but Trump has done what I personally thought was impossible, namely bringing peace

00:17:38.680 to large swaths of the Middle East.

00:17:40.740 Forget about small symbolic things like moving the American embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem,

00:17:46.060 but actually brokering peace.

00:17:48.760 Is he the best president ever for the Jews? 0.53

00:17:52.440 That's something that's not just of interest to Jews.

00:17:55.080 It's of interest to anyone who wants an election where you don't throw the word Nazi at someone

00:18:01.460 just because they're a conservative.

00:18:02.740 Joining us now via Skype is our friend Joel Pollack.

00:18:05.140 Joel, great to see you again.

00:18:07.120 Good to see you too.

00:18:08.480 Joel, I think there are Jews who are interested in this subject.

00:18:13.180 There are Zionist Christians who are interested in Israel and being pro-Israel.

00:18:18.680 And there's conservatives who aren't motivated by religion who just support the West's ally

00:18:25.040 in the region.

00:18:25.720 I think of how I think of Taiwan.

00:18:28.480 I have no ethnic or religious tie to it.

00:18:30.400 I just know it's the good guy.

00:18:31.560 But larger than the case of Israel itself, I'm just sick of the left and the media and the

00:18:38.860 professional hate finders using the word Nazi to demonize anyone on the right.

00:18:43.640 What do you think?

00:18:44.200 Well, it's shorthand for a bad person.

00:18:49.200 So I don't know that it necessarily convinces anyone who doesn't already dislike Donald Trump,

00:18:55.320 but it is effective in making it harder to support him publicly, especially because so

00:19:02.040 much of the media agree with what the left is telling the public.

00:19:07.060 They are, in fact, the vehicle and the authors, in many cases, of many of these negative messages.

00:19:13.800 So the word Nazi has been cheapened to the point where even Jewish organizations no longer

00:19:19.820 complain when someone misuses an analogy to the Holocaust.

00:19:25.120 When Joe Biden compared Donald Trump to Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propaganda minister who was

00:19:31.240 Hitler's right hand man and chief anti-Semite, nobody complained. 0.99

00:19:38.080 The Anti-Defamation League offered a weak statement several days later, but they didn't

00:19:42.480 mention Biden by name.

00:19:44.460 In contrast, when Donald Trump was asked to denounce white supremacists at the first presidential

00:19:49.180 debate, and he did so, they said he didn't do so strongly enough.

00:19:52.720 And they circulated a petition to get Jewish organizations to oppose Donald Trump.

00:19:58.280 Now, they watered it down significantly after we blew the lid off it, when we got a leak

00:20:04.000 from someone who was given the petition and they had to water it down.

00:20:09.420 They removed the name Trump from the petition, but they retained the substance.

00:20:14.140 There is a real kind of self-destruction going on among Jewish institutions that have been 0.99

00:20:20.460 unwilling to stand up against this sort of desecration of the Holocaust because so many

00:20:25.160 of them are owned essentially by the Democratic Party, that they understand the task for them

00:20:31.580 is not to protect the community.

00:20:34.260 The task for them is to try to push for a change in administration without risking their

00:20:39.780 tax-exempt status as apolitical organizations.

00:20:42.980 I find it very frustrating, and I see it in Canada, too, to a lesser extent.

00:20:48.500 I mean, the ADL, which stands for the Anti-Defamation League, we have sort of a branch of that

00:20:53.120 in Canada, but it's more independent.

00:20:55.420 The ADL is actually run by a former senior Obama aide.

00:21:01.300 So I don't think they're even pretending to be nonpartisan.

00:21:03.900 Up here in Canada, about a decade ago, I was actually on the board of our version of

00:21:09.720 AIPAC, it was called the Canada-Israel Committee, and it morphed into other things, and there

00:21:14.940 was at least an attempt to have people of the conservative and the liberal and even other

00:21:21.140 stripes on it just to avoid the groupthink and in the knowledge that, you know, there

00:21:28.640 are changes in party and the opposition today may be in government next time, and it's a good

00:21:34.200 idea to have all parties sympathetic to Israel and fighting against anti-Semitism.

00:21:39.720 I find it odd that so much of the official Jewish establishment, or at least the so-called

00:21:45.620 anti-Semitic establishment, is on one side.

00:21:49.480 You'd think they would want to have friends in all parties and make this an issue about

00:21:53.540 which there is no partisan disagreement.

00:21:57.280 So it's important to understand that the money in politics right now is largely on the left.

00:22:02.240 The reason so much of what is happening, which seems unsustainable, if it were, to support

00:22:09.000 itself from its own fundraising, continues to occur, is because there are millions and millions

00:22:14.240 of dollars pouring in to the budgets of far left-wing organizations, pouring into the coffers

00:22:20.080 of far left-wing candidates who would have no chance in an ordinary time.

00:22:24.920 The money is on the left, and these organizations go where the money goes.

00:22:29.000 It's not, and let me just say this as a Jew, not because they're Jewish organizations, because

00:22:33.440 all organizations are doing the same thing.

00:22:36.040 And it is part of what might be called the racism industry.

00:22:41.120 That's another aspect of this, where organizations like the ADL have to hype the dangers of white 0.93

00:22:48.760 supremacy so they can cough up or get donors to cough up the money to keep these organizations

00:22:56.320 going in an age where actually the need for an ADL is less than it's ever been before.

00:23:01.220 Jews are widely accepted in society.

00:23:03.740 Jews are very prominent within the president's own family, even though he's very out about his

00:23:08.580 Christianity. This is an era where Jews have never enjoyed wider acceptance within American

00:23:13.880 society, and so this is a problem for the ADL. American society is also more tolerant in general

00:23:18.880 toward all minorities, blacks, immigrants, gays, and what have you. So the ADL has to manufacture

00:23:24.860 this crisis to some extent. That's why when there were 200 hoax bomb threats back in 2017,

00:23:31.180 the ADL still included the hoaxes in their annual statistics of anti-Semitic attacks, even though

00:23:37.620 they were fake. And the ADL uses those annual reports to go to donors and members of the public

00:23:44.200 asking for money. And other organizations work the same way, not just in the Jewish community,

00:23:49.340 in the black community, particularly also Catholic community. The Southern Poverty Law Center works

00:23:55.040 the same way. There's an interest financially in hyping the danger of these threats, and that's part of

00:24:01.180 the other part is that politically the money's on the left. Conservative donors are very, very bad

00:24:06.560 at funding the kinds of organizations that would sustain conservative politics outside of the normal

00:24:13.200 election cycle. What you see in terms of Donald Trump and the Republican Party is almost exclusively

00:24:19.420 related to grassroots fundraising, and there are some mega donors and so forth, but those are people

00:24:25.900 who focus on electing politicians and on promoting issues. There are very, very few billionaires on

00:24:34.120 the Republican side who invest in what might be called the institutional right, whereas the

00:24:37.920 institutional left is an entire ecosystem. Yeah, you know, we've gone through the Open Societies

00:24:43.120 Foundation. That's George Soros' own foundation. It's such an interesting website because it's not shy.

00:24:51.080 I mean, they use words to fudge what they're really up to, but they're quite boastful, and they,

00:24:56.860 right on their front page, acknowledge that Soros has given and pledged over $30 billion to these

00:25:06.240 institutional battles on the left. There's, I mean, I think of the families on the right, the Koch

00:25:12.780 Foundation, the Koch Industries. Richard Mellon Scaife was the, if I'm getting the name right, was the

00:25:20.100 fellow in the past. You know, they might give $100 million. They might give a billion over a lifetime,

00:25:26.320 but here's Soros personally in for $30 billion. I think it's not just in the Jewish community. I

00:25:32.600 think it's in the black community, radicalizing that community through Black Lives Matter. I think 1.00

00:25:37.460 it's in the environmental movement, which has been radicalized. I think it's in the Hispanic 1.00

00:25:43.280 movement, La Raza. I think that, ironically, it's the left with the dough. I think if you ask the

00:25:50.460 ordinary person, they'd say, oh, no, big companies have the dough. Yeah, but they're leftists these

00:25:54.180 days.

00:25:56.980 Yeah, and again, the money on the right doesn't go into these kinds of permanent, agitating

00:26:03.200 organizations. I mean, the reason you have pro-life organizations is because there are a lot of

00:26:07.360 Christians. That's an organic source for pro-life activism. But the reason you have so much Antifa 0.94

00:26:13.400 is not because there are so many Americans who hate America. It's because there's a way of doing

00:26:19.060 this that fits in with the budgets of left-wing organizations. We showed several years ago how

00:26:26.020 many of the original Black Lives Matter protests back in 2014, 2015 were being supported in part by

00:26:34.140 Soros-funded organizations. At a recent riot in Louisville, Kentucky, after the announcement that

00:26:40.200 police officers wouldn't be directly charged in the death of Breonna Taylor, there was a woman who

00:26:44.360 showed up in a U-Haul truck, and people ran to the U-Haul truck and pulled out shields and signs and

00:26:50.040 weapons. And this woman turned out to be affiliated with a bail reform organization that I believe was

00:26:56.380 also Soros-funded. So, again, you have this kind of regiment or reserve of these left-wing soldiers

00:27:05.360 who are given gainful employment, if you can call it that, during the interim between protest actions.

00:27:11.200 And when things go nuts, then they're always there. You know, they're able to support themselves

00:27:17.020 financially. Conservatives don't do this. And I think most people would prefer this part of our

00:27:24.480 political world fade away. It hasn't contributed anything positive. It doesn't increase civic

00:27:29.400 engagement. Quite the opposite. I mean, George Soros calls his foundation the open society, but often

00:27:34.200 it's the opposite. George Soros is now synonymous with shutting down free speech, eliminating conservatives

00:27:40.600 from political discourse, and turning our cities upside down, which is exactly the opposite of how most

00:27:46.680 people want to live in an open society. Yeah. Ironically, if you mention that, that's called

00:27:52.660 anti-Semitic. Even here in Canada, a conservative MP didn't even allude to anything other than Soros

00:27:58.980 money causing strife, and she was denounced as anti-Semitic. The irony there being, of course,

00:28:05.640 Soros himself was born Jewish, but has expressed his antipathy towards the religion and is hostile to

00:28:13.580 the modern state. So it's very crazy times when a defender of Israel and Jews like Donald Trump

00:28:18.860 is called the word Nazi, but it shouldn't surprise us. I'm sure you are called that too, and you're 0.83

00:28:24.400 a practicing Jew. I'm not as observant as perhaps I should be. We're called that. It doesn't even mean

00:28:30.380 anything when it's thrown against us, but it cheapens the phrase. I wish we weren't called Nazis

00:28:36.600 because we have to keep that word like a sharp knife that's not dulled by overuse. Once in a while,

00:28:42.180 you really do have an anti-Semite or a Nazi. You need that word to mean something by calling Trump, 0.83

00:28:47.420 you, me, whatever, Nazis. The word doesn't have any meaning. Last word to you, Joel.

00:28:52.520 Well, I think that we have also arrived at the point where there's a larger problem

00:28:58.740 with the way the public has been taught about the Holocaust. Especially in the United States,

00:29:04.780 we've taught about the Nazis and the Holocaust as sort of a subset of a larger problem of racial

00:29:10.440 prejudice. So the idea is that there's a slippery slope. Once you start disliking a certain group of

00:29:16.560 people or if some people are discriminated against or if some people merely have less than others,

00:29:21.260 there's a slippery slope to the death camps. And to some extent, I think Jewish people in a well-meaning

00:29:28.940 way have also played into this. But if you actually look at what Nazism was about, Nazism was about the

00:29:34.960 idea that society is defined by races and that races have a place in a hierarchy and that institutional

00:29:44.700 arrangements have to be redone so that each race can occupy its appropriate place. And you start to 0.99

00:29:54.080 get into a philosophy that looks a lot more like what the left wants to do to American society than what

00:29:59.360 the right wants to do. I'm not one of those who thinks that national socialism is a left-wing

00:30:04.360 ideology. I don't think we can really describe the Nazis as being left. But I do think that today's 0.73

00:30:09.780 left is fascist in some of its ideology and their insistence on the importance of race, which goes

00:30:17.720 against everything in the liberal small L tradition, goes against the best of the American civil rights 0.57

00:30:24.760 movement. That insistence on race has a lot to do with the racial theories that really did lead

00:30:30.680 ultimately to the isolation of Jews within Europe, which preceded their extermination. I'm not saying

00:30:36.580 that we're in danger of exterminating anybody in the West. But just this morning, the Associated Press,

00:30:44.000 for example, did an article about how Trump's prosecutors, his U.S. attorneys, are overwhelmingly white,

00:30:52.180 or they're more white than Obama's was. Now, you're not asking the important questions, which is,

00:30:57.880 are they better at fighting crime? Do they get better results? Do they protect people's rights

00:31:03.160 better? Are they an effective check on local and state corruption? I mean, you're not looking at

00:31:09.520 what these attorneys do or what these prosecutors do. You're basically judging them on the basis of

00:31:14.840 race. And this is a rule that the Associated Press only applies to one group. You can't use the word

00:31:20.560 illegal aliens or the phrase illegal aliens. You have to use undocumented immigrants, even though 1.00

00:31:24.480 they're not immigrants. They're aliens, according to the law and according to common English. 0.72

00:31:28.120 You can't use the word riots anymore. AP came out a few days ago saying people shouldn't use the word

00:31:32.300 riots because of its negative connotations. So the AP is exquisitely sensitive when it comes to

00:31:37.840 everybody except white people. But when it comes to white people, it has no problem publishing articles

00:31:43.120 that are syndicated everywhere about the problem with Trump's prosecutors being their race.

00:31:47.300 And we are creating a situation where we're disadvantaging and impoverishing American society

00:31:54.180 as a whole by reintroducing race into our political discussion. If you ask people how we will know 0.50

00:32:00.120 when our society is no longer systemically racist, they'll say things like, well, when every race is

00:32:05.880 equally represented in some institution or another. That's the idea the Nazis had. The Nazis had the idea 0.84

00:32:11.080 that Jews were disproportionately represented in the professions and in business,

00:32:14.720 and they had to make way for Germans to take those spots, at least as regards their proportion of

00:32:20.700 the population. This is the same logic that's being used by some on the left, but they call it

00:32:25.080 socialism. But it's, you know, it's national socialism. It's essentially fascism. It's a form of

00:32:32.240 racism that sees our demography as our destiny. And it's such a regression that I think, at least I hope,

00:32:42.560 historians will look back one day at this moment and wonder how we possibly could have lost our collective minds

00:32:47.460 and lost touch with all the reasons we fought, all the struggles we did in the 20th century,

00:32:51.780 only to repeat the mistakes in the 21st. I hope it doesn't come to that, and I hope that our history isn't erased

00:32:56.780 if it does. But that's where we are right now. And I think that the lesson of societies that introduce race,

00:33:05.920 whether it's apartheid South Africa or post-liberations in Babu, you might even say

00:33:11.320 post-apartheid South Africa, but let me be at least generous there, any society that reintroduces race 0.83

00:33:16.660 is a society on the path to self-destruction.

00:33:20.900 We learn so much from you every time, Joel. What a pleasure to hear from you. Thanks for taking the time with us.

00:33:26.060 Thank you.

00:33:26.580 There you have it, Joel Pollack, senior editor at large at Breitbart.com. A lot to think about there.

00:33:30.540 Stay with us. More ahead.

00:33:35.920 Hey, welcome back. On last night's monologue, Phil writes,

00:33:48.360 Doug Ford is high in the polls, so why not continue restricting civil liberties?

00:33:51.940 That's what's so terrifying. There are a lot of politicians going back to elections right now.

00:33:56.700 There was just one in the Atlantic. Now, of course, Saskatchewan's going to the polls.

00:34:01.580 B.C.'s going to the polls. And I believe that people are afraid, and so they're just, well,

00:34:05.600 let's just stay with the government we have. I think Doug Ford, if he called an election now,

00:34:10.160 I think he would win. I think if Justin Trudeau called an election right now, I think he would

00:34:13.740 win. I think people are afraid, and they're giving up their civil liberties too easily.

00:34:19.280 Dad Zacharias writes, Doug Ford has turned out to be an idiot that follows the perceived vote wind. 1.00

00:34:24.660 How sad. Rob must be rolling in his grave. 1.00

00:34:27.760 We don't know what two brothers would have said about each other, and may Rob rest in peace,

00:34:31.900 but I think Rob truly believed in the grassroots wisdom. Doug, he just, I think he's more of a

00:34:38.440 schemer, and I think in many ways, Doug Ford has shown that he'll switch course if it profits him

00:34:44.840 politically. And on my interview with Andrew Lawton, P.J. Smith writes,

00:34:49.940 Andrew Lawton, net positive, I disagree. Biden is still hiding in this basement,

00:34:54.620 and this gives Trump time to come out to rallies at the end of the cycle.

00:34:58.700 Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, we hear that Trump says he will attend the debate next week.

00:35:05.060 So, things are so fluid. Things are happening so crazily. A year in a day. That's how fast the

00:35:11.920 news is moving. Well, that's our show for today. Hey, if you want that Catherine McKennell

00:35:16.000 video, go to CatherineMcKennell.com. Donate me. It's a shirt that you can wear to almost any occasion,

00:35:23.380 because it's almost always true. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World

00:35:27.760 Headquarters to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - October 07, 2020

Catherine McKenna's Indonesia adventure

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