Rebel News Podcast - CBC Agrees： Erin O'Toole Must Distance From Jason Kenney Next

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Today, I take you through a very unethical story at the CBC.

00:00:03.700 Now, you're probably saying that doesn't narrow it down, but this one is special.

00:00:07.160 The lies of omission and the lies of commission here are super gross, even for the CBC.

00:00:13.040 But the thing is, like the princess and the pea under 30 mattresses of lies,

00:00:17.540 there's actually a little grain of truth, and it's about Aaron O'Toole's plans for the Conservative Party.

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00:00:56.140 All right, here's today's show.

00:00:57.880 Tonight, the CBC and left-wing lobbyists all agree,

00:01:16.200 Aaron O'Toole has to distance himself from Jason Kenney next.

00:01:21.340 It's February 12th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:25.860 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:29.520 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:33.620 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:39.500 You're not going to believe this, but the CBC actually seems to have some information about Aaron O'Toole's campaign strategy.

00:01:50.100 I wouldn't have believed it.

00:01:51.300 I didn't believe it at first, but now I think I do.

00:01:54.260 And the strategy involves throwing Alberta Premier and former Harbor Cabinet Minister, throwing Jason Kenney under the bus.

00:02:01.240 I'm not kidding.

00:02:03.060 I'll prove it to you in a moment, but first some necessary background, as we've been talking about recently.

00:02:07.820 Aaron O'Toole, I mean, last month, he ditched Rebel News.

00:02:12.060 It was weird.

00:02:12.680 He did an email interview with me about my big scoop about the China files.

00:02:16.400 Remember that one?

00:02:16.940 I thought he came across pretty well in the interview, but he panicked when the media party gave him flack for it.

00:02:23.260 And just literally hours after we published that interview, he distanced himself from us.

00:02:27.880 Okay, whatever.

00:02:29.640 And then there was the fake scandal about Derek Sloan.

00:02:32.840 You remember that one.

00:02:34.120 Someone calling himself Frederick P. Fromm donated about 100 bucks to Sloan's leadership campaign,

00:02:39.960 which had raised more than a million bucks.

00:02:41.660 So it was a small donation by an unknown person, but it turned out that Frederick P. Fromm was actually Paul Fromm,

00:02:48.360 a racist who had some notoriety in the 1990s.

00:02:51.540 No one detected that, not Sloan's campaign volunteers, and not the Conservative Party headquarters,

00:02:57.240 who issued Fromm a membership and took their cut of the donation.

00:03:01.520 As soon as Sloan found out about Fromm, he sent the donation back,

00:03:05.520 which, as far as I know, O'Toole hasn't done with his portion yet.

00:03:08.580 But O'Toole denounced Sloan for this fake scandal, denounced him as a racist with poor judgment,

00:03:15.040 which was absurd, which isn't true, which is extra absurd and untrue when you remember that

00:03:21.000 Derek Sloan's wife and kids are visible minorities.

00:03:23.720 Everyone knew this was a false accusation, bearing false witness, as some would say.

00:03:28.460 So two weirdnesses in a row.

00:03:30.080 And then the big one, throwing Pierre Polyev overboard, the main Conservative MP,

00:03:37.420 the only Conservative MP of note, I hate to say.

00:03:41.740 The only one you can name who's actually done any real political damage to the Liberals in the past year.

00:03:46.660 Ask Bill Morneau if you disagree.

00:03:48.780 That's right, you can't.

00:03:50.600 Bill Morneau resigned in a cloud of corruption, in part due to Pierre Polyev's excellent work.

00:03:55.080 So, yeah, he's a good guy.

00:03:56.600 As I showed you the other day, Pierre is much more popular with grassroots conservatives than Aaron O'Toole.

00:04:02.200 If Facebook followers and engagement is anything to go by these days, then I think it is.

00:04:06.340 So my first reaction, as I told you, was O'Toole is just jealous, tall poppy syndrome.

00:04:10.860 He hates the guy who is more impressive than him.

00:04:12.960 I thought it was just a rivalry thing, which is what I thought was about sacking his leadership rival, Derek Sloan.

00:04:18.740 But as I told you, I've changed my mind on that.

00:04:24.100 I now think it's part of an ideological strategy, and it makes me revisit a CBC story that I came across about two weeks ago

00:04:31.340 and didn't remark on at the time.

00:04:33.340 Let me, this is what I want to talk to you about today.

00:04:35.780 Look at this story.

00:04:36.960 And it's got a related podcast, which I listen to, but I won't punish you with.

00:04:40.240 But strategists say Aaron O'Toole must weigh if Jason Kenney is an asset or a liability.

00:04:46.980 I can barely read that without chuckling.

00:04:49.060 I mean, I couldn't believe that headline when I first read it.

00:04:51.080 Jason Kenney, even more than Pierre Polyev, is beloved by the conservative base,

00:04:56.160 at least in the eyes of the party base.

00:04:58.280 I think he's hated by liberals for the same reason, because he's good.

00:05:02.420 If Jason Kenney had run for the party leadership, he would have won overwhelmingly.

00:05:05.820 In fact, I don't think anyone else would even run against Kenney.

00:05:09.360 And you know, I think Kenney could have beaten Trudeau in 2019, but could have, should have, would have.

00:05:15.860 Anyways, Kenney is having a tough time in Alberta these days.

00:05:18.360 It's true, mainly because the province is in the toughest spot in Confederation.

00:05:21.820 The carbon tax, Trudeau killing three pipelines, and now Joe Biden killing the fourth,

00:05:26.580 plus recovering from the NDP policy time bombs planted by Rachel Notley, and now the pandemic.

00:05:31.980 But no doubt about it, Jason Kenney is still popular with the federal party base.

00:05:36.460 His endorsement of O'Toole over Peter McKay was very important.

00:05:41.060 I think it actually tipped the balance for O'Toole.

00:05:43.980 But look at the CBC story.

00:05:46.680 As O'Toole charts a course forward for the conservatives, and with Canadians divided over pipelines,

00:05:51.620 and Kenney navigating multiple simultaneous crises,

00:05:55.140 is the premier an asset or a liability?

00:05:58.240 Seriously, imagine O'Toole, or as I like to call him, O-Who,

00:06:01.960 thinking that Jason Kenney is a liability.

00:06:06.240 Well, that's what the CBC experts are saying to CBC journalists and to commentators.

00:06:13.140 Let me read.

00:06:14.280 Melissa Cowett, a political strategist with the Canadian Strategy Group,

00:06:20.060 told CBC's West of Centre podcast that conservatives are winning with massive margins

00:06:24.560 in Alberta and Saskatchewan, at the expense, apparently, of votes in the greater Toronto area and in Quebec.

00:06:32.520 It probably does make sense from an electoral math perspective for O'Toole to move a little bit more to the centre.

00:06:39.380 And I think there's still a path to victory if he does so, Cowett said.

00:06:45.040 Got it.

00:06:45.460 So, Aaron O'Toole has to hide Jason Kenney up in the attic if he wants to win in Ontario and the East, apparently.

00:06:53.680 That's what Melissa Cowett says. 0.98

00:06:56.600 Melissa Cowett, the name you know.

00:06:58.340 I mean, you know Melissa Cowett, right?

00:07:00.860 I mean, you just heard.

00:07:02.440 She's with the Canadian Strategy Group.

00:07:05.400 What, you don't know who the Canadian Strategy Group are?

00:07:08.500 Well, they do strategy for Canadians in a group.

00:07:13.480 You know.

00:07:15.060 And she was joined by this guy.

00:07:17.640 Former Conservative strategist Tim Powers, who is now chairman of Suma Strategies,

00:07:22.260 told West of Centre that holding the status quo won't secure O'Toole the win in the current climate.

00:07:29.220 O'Toole wants to win.

00:07:30.880 So he's got to take what some traditionalists describe as risks, Powers said.

00:07:34.480 I know this is one that causes tension, not just in Alberta and Saskatchewan, but also out East, is climate policy.

00:07:42.820 Powers said O'Toole would need to find common ground among younger millennial voters and urban voters in Ontario

00:07:49.600 for whom carbon pricing is a fact of life, unquote.

00:07:54.080 So you've got a strategist, Melissa Cowett, and a former strategist.

00:07:59.420 That's how they introduced Tim Powers.

00:08:00.860 What does it mean to be a former strategist?

00:08:04.480 And they both are in furious agreement.

00:08:07.740 They love the global warming stuff.

00:08:09.500 They love the carbon tax stuff.

00:08:11.060 The United Nations plan to shut down the oil sands.

00:08:13.820 They completely agree.

00:08:15.080 And you know, according to both Cowett and Powers, the kids these days do too.

00:08:21.580 The former strategist, he knows kids.

00:08:24.120 And he says that the kids love the carbon tax.

00:08:26.920 And you know it's true because he's a former strategist.

00:08:28.980 So what do we make of this story?

00:08:31.580 The first thing I want to mention is how deceptive, unethical, and dishonest this CBC report is.

00:08:39.080 Melissa Cowett is not a strategist.

00:08:41.940 She is a registered lobbyist.

00:08:46.180 It's different.

00:08:47.480 A strategist is whatever you want.

00:08:49.800 I don't know.

00:08:50.520 Someone who works for a political party and helps plan their campaign strategy,

00:08:54.700 helps decide what the party should say to win,

00:08:56.660 to campaign, what candidates to choose, what ads to run.

00:09:00.960 I think that's a strategist for a political party.

00:09:03.700 Melissa Cowett does not have that position in the Conservative Party.

00:09:07.640 I don't think she's a strategist.

00:09:09.720 She is a lobbyist.

00:09:11.900 Do you know what a lobbyist is?

00:09:13.020 A bought and paid for lobbyist hired by the hour

00:09:16.400 to do whatever a corporate client tells her to do?

00:09:20.440 Don't take my word for it.

00:09:21.720 Here is her website.

00:09:23.800 It is a lobbying firm.

00:09:26.960 She's the vice president of a group of lobbyists.

00:09:30.360 You can literally pay her to say anything you want.

00:09:35.360 And here's what you get when you type her name

00:09:37.520 into the Alberta government's lobbyist registry.

00:09:41.760 She is paid by so many people for or against this oil project or that oil project.

00:09:47.620 Incredibly, it looks like she's paid for by the people who own the Keystone Excel project,

00:09:53.320 but she seems to be arguing against that project.

00:09:56.640 I'm so confused.

00:09:58.140 Cowett said O'Toole should view Kenny as a liability,

00:10:02.220 but that could change, unquote.

00:10:04.960 That's really, really weird.

00:10:06.600 And Tim Powers, the other former strategist,

00:10:09.240 what about him?

00:10:10.280 Well, same exact thing.

00:10:11.720 He's not a strategist about anything that I can detect,

00:10:14.580 other than how to be a great lobbyist and make a lot of money selling influence.

00:10:20.160 He's an influence peddler.

00:10:21.440 He helps run a lobbying firm called Summer Strategies.

00:10:24.520 And again, not so much strategies as, you know, lobbying for hire.

00:10:29.660 Here's Powers' own lobbyist registration from Ottawa.

00:10:33.000 He works for a hydrocarbon recycling company called Origin International.

00:10:37.700 Here's their website.

00:10:39.000 So if he's doing any strategy for a living,

00:10:42.640 I think it's to get Origin International,

00:10:45.660 their goals achieved with the federal government.

00:10:49.500 That's who he's lobbying.

00:10:50.320 He's lobbying the Trudeau government for companies like that.

00:10:55.280 And Cowett is trying to get her various clients' goals achieved with government. 1.00

00:11:00.700 So why is it that they are being asked for their opinion about oil pipelines

00:11:06.580 and political campaigns when, in fact, they have personal interests,

00:11:12.160 hidden interests in those exact same subjects?

00:11:14.980 They are literally being paid by people to take positions on these issues.

00:11:20.840 Paid.

00:11:21.860 It's considered such a risk to our democracy to be a lobbyist

00:11:25.320 that we require lobbyists to disclose that relationship to any public office holder,

00:11:31.680 register online, disclose any communication with public office holders

00:11:35.480 because we want everything to be transparent.

00:11:37.560 We don't want people to be tricked or hidden.

00:11:41.000 We want to shine a light of public scrutiny on the lobbyists.

00:11:43.080 Now, we don't ban lobbying.

00:11:44.960 Lobbying can actually be quite noble.

00:11:47.020 It can be important.

00:11:48.600 Everyone should have the right to pester politicians

00:11:51.220 and ask for things and criticize things and suggest things.

00:11:54.600 And if someone isn't personally in Ottawa,

00:11:56.960 they ought to be able to hire someone who is, hire a pro.

00:12:00.580 Even, I think, foreign companies ought to be able to talk

00:12:02.880 to Canadian politicians about things.

00:12:04.400 Sure, sure.

00:12:06.060 But the whole reason we have lobbyist registries

00:12:08.860 is to disclose that to the public,

00:12:12.040 to show who's paying who to talk to whom.

00:12:15.840 So why didn't the CBC disclose that to their viewers?

00:12:19.400 Why didn't the CBC say that their two pundits

00:12:23.600 weren't, in fact, pundits?

00:12:25.480 They're not, in fact, strategists

00:12:27.040 in the normal meaning of that word.

00:12:29.120 They are paid, rented, hired lobbyists

00:12:33.420 taking cash to promote their clients.

00:12:37.720 And it's such a dangerous thing, if it's kept secret,

00:12:40.380 that they are forced by law to disclose it in a registry.

00:12:43.540 But the CBC didn't mention it to its viewers,

00:12:46.140 didn't even mention that they are lobbyists at all,

00:12:48.340 let alone who their clients are,

00:12:50.880 that Powers is actually the boss of a lobby group.

00:12:53.980 What the hell is going on?

00:12:56.280 And frankly, why would a Keystone XL lobbyist

00:13:00.200 trash Jason Kenney to the CBC?

00:13:02.900 What on earth? 1.00

00:13:03.480 Who's more unethical here?

00:13:06.240 These lobbyists for hiding their conflicts of interest?

00:13:09.540 Or the CBC for going along with the hidden conflicts of interest?

00:13:13.440 Hey, anything to bash Alberta and help Trudeau, right?

00:13:16.320 But then again, fair enough.

00:13:18.800 The CBC itself takes $1.5 billion a year in cash from Trudeau.

00:13:23.400 And they don't disclose that on the TV screen,

00:13:25.840 like a disclaimer, whenever they publish a love letter to Trudeau.

00:13:29.480 So corruption is the norm over at the CBC.

00:13:32.760 Being unethical is the norm over at the CBC.

00:13:36.220 It's a state broadcaster.

00:13:37.720 It's about political corruption and lies.

00:13:40.260 But I now believe, though,

00:13:42.880 there is a grain of truth under all these lies.

00:13:46.420 Tim Powers is lying by omission

00:13:48.300 when he hides his role as a lobbyist.

00:13:51.240 Melissa Kilwet is lying by omission

00:13:54.000 when she hides her role as a lobbyist. 0.99

00:13:56.060 The CBC lies by falsely describing these two lobbyists

00:13:59.680 as mere strategists or former strategists or pundits.

00:14:02.900 The CBC hates Alberta.

00:14:04.400 They hate oil. 0.85

00:14:05.480 They hate you. 1.00

00:14:06.700 Liars upon liars. 1.00

00:14:08.040 There's layers of liars. 0.99

00:14:10.900 But like the princess and the pea,

00:14:12.640 there is a grain of truth under all of it, I think. 0.99

00:14:15.920 I actually believe them, these liars.

00:14:19.580 I actually believe that Aaron O'Toole

00:14:21.500 really is going to throw out Jason Kenney.

00:14:24.640 He's just next.

00:14:26.500 After us at Rebel News and then Derek Sloan

00:14:28.720 and then Pierre Polyev.

00:14:30.860 Aaron O'Toole, I do believe,

00:14:33.440 is going to throw out Jason Kenney.

00:14:35.260 He's too embarrassing, too right-wing.

00:14:38.980 I actually think the CBC did not cook up this story

00:14:41.900 just with its two secret lobbyists.

00:14:44.080 I think Aaron O'Toole probably planted this story.

00:14:48.760 I think Aaron O'Toole likes this story.

00:14:52.200 I think he's shaping the battlefield.

00:14:53.780 I think he's prepping the media.

00:14:55.100 I think Aaron O'Toole believes

00:14:56.920 that if he purges every remaining scrap of conservatives

00:15:00.060 from the conservative party,

00:15:01.420 that he will win the next election.

00:15:05.500 He's very, very wrong on that.

00:15:08.140 But it's pretty incredible to watch him try it.

00:15:11.760 Stay with us for a moment.

00:15:12.860 Well, Donald J. Trump has not been president for some weeks,

00:15:27.680 and yet, strangely, he's being impeached.

00:15:30.380 I didn't know you could even do that

00:15:32.460 to impeach an ex-president.

00:15:34.740 Maybe Barack Obama should be impeached.

00:15:37.120 And heck, why not just ex-presidents?

00:15:39.540 How about ex-people, people who've passed away?

00:15:43.200 Why not impeach the deceased presidents?

00:15:46.640 I can think of one or two who deserve their day in court,

00:15:49.840 even posthumously.

00:15:51.180 All kidding around.

00:15:52.080 It really is happening, and I think it is absurd.

00:15:55.100 Joining me now via Skype from California

00:15:56.920 is our friend Joel Pollack,

00:15:58.880 the senior editor-at-large of brightbright.com.

00:16:02.060 Joel, I have in front of me your latest piece

00:16:03.440 called Nine Takeaways from the Impeachment Trial.

00:16:07.360 But before I jump into that,

00:16:08.440 can you even explain to me,

00:16:10.380 how do you impeach a president

00:16:11.900 that's not president anymore?

00:16:14.740 It's not clear you can.

00:16:16.460 The Senate voted to allow it,

00:16:20.540 and that's because it's not a matter of law

00:16:22.760 that they voted to allow it.

00:16:23.680 They can't change the Constitution,

00:16:25.860 but they can make procedural rulings

00:16:27.700 when they sit as an impeachment court.

00:16:29.140 So a majority of senators, 56,

00:16:32.160 decided they did have that power.

00:16:34.060 This has happened before,

00:16:35.320 where a majority of senators decided it,

00:16:37.240 but there were so many who still believe

00:16:39.840 that this was unconstitutional

00:16:41.040 that they acquitted in the past,

00:16:42.480 and it looks like that's what's going to happen here.

00:16:44.440 Regardless of the arguments,

00:16:45.620 there are 44 senators who don't think

00:16:47.300 the Senate should be hearing this case at all,

00:16:49.600 and that means Democrats are about 11 votes short,

00:16:53.280 right from the outset,

00:16:54.460 of where they would need to be

00:16:55.480 to convict Donald Trump of incitement.

00:16:59.160 But I have to tell you,

00:17:01.760 after watching the defense team

00:17:04.420 put on their first day of arguments

00:17:07.160 about the substance,

00:17:08.360 there's nothing left of the Democrats' case against Trump.

00:17:11.940 I was amazed.

00:17:13.600 I was proud.

00:17:15.480 I felt proud as an American,

00:17:17.180 not just as someone who supports Trump,

00:17:18.540 but I was proud as an American

00:17:19.760 of the defense that the Trump team put up

00:17:22.180 because not only did they show 0.83

00:17:24.360 the hypocrisy of the Democrats 0.92

00:17:25.740 who have used similar language to Trump 0.84

00:17:28.420 and who have questioned election results before

00:17:31.740 and who have tried to overturn elections before,

00:17:37.740 not only did they do that

00:17:39.240 with very effective video montages,

00:17:41.480 but they also provided a stirring defense

00:17:44.940 of the First Amendment,

00:17:46.120 the freedom of speech,

00:17:47.500 of political speech in particular,

00:17:49.200 and it was the antidote to cancel culture.

00:17:52.220 I felt like it wasn't just Trump they were defending.

00:17:54.360 They were defending every American

00:17:57.120 and really every Canadian

00:17:58.800 because I know the same issues arise in Canada.

00:18:02.240 They were showing how political speech

00:18:05.900 has always been protected

00:18:07.760 and deserves to be protected,

00:18:09.020 even objectionable speech.

00:18:10.360 And then they showed montages of Democrats

00:18:11.820 saying objectionable, violent things.

00:18:14.340 And they came back and said,

00:18:15.700 you didn't do anything wrong,

00:18:17.600 but if you did do something wrong,

00:18:20.260 you're guilty like Trump,

00:18:21.680 according to your standard.

00:18:23.500 I have to tell you,

00:18:24.860 it's the kind of speech you're going to watch

00:18:26.740 if you haven't seen it.

00:18:27.560 It needs to be replayed over and over again.

00:18:30.000 It needs to be shown in law schools

00:18:31.620 so that we don't turn out these left-wing robots

00:18:34.780 who think their real job as lawyers

00:18:36.600 is not to defend the Constitution,

00:18:38.360 but to suppress the views of people

00:18:39.920 with whom they disagree.

00:18:41.220 It was just incredible.

00:18:42.620 There's nothing left of the House Democrats' case

00:18:44.740 against Trump, nothing.

00:18:46.320 Wow.

00:18:46.840 Well, that's quite a categorical statement.

00:18:49.160 I have not been watching the impeachment,

00:18:51.940 partly because I feel it's so moot

00:18:53.580 and I feel it's yesterday's news.

00:18:56.500 It's not news, it's old.

00:18:57.740 It feels like a stunt for collateral purposes.

00:19:01.480 It feels like a positioning thing

00:19:04.540 where some Republicans are positioning themselves

00:19:07.200 as anti-Trump or post-Trump Republicans.

00:19:11.620 And I feel like it's got nothing to do

00:19:14.020 with the actual impeachment of an ex-president,

00:19:17.840 but everything else.

00:19:19.720 But let me say what's really on my mind.

00:19:22.820 You say this ought to be shown in law schools

00:19:24.740 and I hope you're right.

00:19:26.860 But how many people are actually watching it?

00:19:29.080 I mean, I saw Jim Acosta, the CNN reporter

00:19:32.120 who was obsessed by Trump for four years,

00:19:33.960 as we all were, I guess,

00:19:35.520 saying, our photographer spotted Donald Trump golfing.

00:19:39.320 And my first thought was, boy, you sure miss him.

00:19:43.760 He's an ex-president.

00:19:45.040 Golfing is sort of the thing to do,

00:19:46.900 especially he owns golf courses.

00:19:49.320 He loves golfing.

00:19:50.060 He lives in Florida.

00:19:51.120 And I thought, boy, they miss him.

00:19:52.880 Is anyone even watching this?

00:19:56.260 Do networks even have the ratings?

00:19:58.180 I think they miss Trump so badly,

00:19:59.860 they want to prop up his presidency after the fact,

00:20:04.080 just have something to talk about.

00:20:05.120 Well, you're right.

00:20:07.660 People aren't really watching it.

00:20:09.500 There is a lack of interest among Democrats

00:20:14.340 because they know that they hate Trump,

00:20:18.800 so it's not showing them anything new.

00:20:20.800 There's a lack of interest among Republicans

00:20:22.260 because they feel the whole thing is a show trial

00:20:24.360 that is designed to humiliate them

00:20:26.760 and punish the opposition.

00:20:28.620 And Trump's not president anymore,

00:20:30.120 so it's not consequential in any way

00:20:32.400 except for the future of his political career

00:20:35.540 and the disenfranchisement of people

00:20:37.520 who might want to vote for him.

00:20:39.420 But the opening argument,

00:20:43.340 the two hours of what the Trump defense team put on,

00:20:47.280 is required viewing.

00:20:48.780 And it's not just required viewing for Republicans.

00:20:52.460 You have to watch what they do

00:20:54.320 and how they defend the First Amendment and free speech.

00:20:56.380 We've never seen anything like it,

00:20:57.980 not since the Scopes Monkey trial, to be honest.

00:21:01.560 Have we ever seen a defense of First Amendment rights

00:21:04.640 as we've just seen?

00:21:05.780 It's that important.

00:21:06.720 It's an historically important argument.

00:21:08.880 Well, I'm blown away.

00:21:09.660 The fact that you're emphasizing that

00:21:10.900 tells me that we should find it in full on YouTube

00:21:14.240 and put a link to it,

00:21:16.100 and I'll ask our producers and editors to do that.

00:21:19.760 You've convinced me.

00:21:20.820 I did not want to waste a moment's time

00:21:23.040 because the whole thing felt like play acting.

00:21:25.120 Ignore the House impeachment manager's presentation.

00:21:28.240 It's not worth it.

00:21:28.900 It's just painful and awful.

00:21:32.180 Watch the first two hours of this House impeachment,

00:21:35.960 excuse me, of the Trump defense lawyers.

00:21:37.620 It's unbelievable.

00:21:38.560 Wow, I'm very glad to hear it.

00:21:39.780 Now, we've caught you in the middle of the hearings right now,

00:21:42.080 so I want to be very careful with our time.

00:21:44.180 I know out of the corner of your eye,

00:21:45.300 you're watching for when they come back from a break.

00:21:47.720 Now, you mentioned that 56 senators have voted to proceed,

00:21:51.500 but they would need, is it correct, 67 to actually convict the president.

00:21:58.880 Is my math correct?

00:22:00.060 I don't know my U.S. Constitution well.

00:22:02.180 That's correct.

00:22:02.860 You need two-thirds vote to convict the president.

00:22:05.180 In this case, convicting would mean,

00:22:07.940 because he's already out of office,

00:22:09.060 would mean that you have to apply the rest of the penalty.

00:22:12.780 I think they have some sort of procedural vote on it afterwards,

00:22:15.340 but basically it would mean barring Trump from running for any public office

00:22:18.320 of any kind, not just president.

00:22:20.160 He would be barred from any public office in future.

00:22:23.780 And, you know, that's why many people feel this is an attack on the opposition,

00:22:30.440 because it's not on a current office holder.

00:22:33.080 It's an attack on a future potential candidate for office.

00:22:37.140 You know, Iran rules people out from running for president.

00:22:40.360 We don't want to become Iran. 1.00

00:22:41.720 Now, if he had done something impeachable, if he were really guilty,

00:22:45.620 maybe that might be an appropriate remedy,

00:22:48.480 but it's not even clear that we can do that.

00:22:50.280 You know, the Constitution says impeachment is for current office holders

00:22:53.540 and results in their removal from office and their inability to run in the future.

00:22:59.620 But they say and, not or.

00:23:01.220 It's not a sort of an alternative penalty.

00:23:03.260 You have to be removed while you're in office, and then you can't run again.

00:23:07.360 The Democrats view it differently now.

00:23:08.560 They think you can just do removal separately from from barring people from from running.

00:23:14.340 Anyway, it's a mess constitutionally, but it's an attempt by the Democrats basically

00:23:19.500 to punish Trump, punish Trump supporters and to demolish the legitimacy of the opposition.

00:23:25.520 Instead, they were demolished today.

00:23:27.120 The Democrats were finally, finally.

00:23:29.640 I mean, I can't tell you how excited I am, actually, to have seen this.

00:23:32.080 The Democrats were finally forced in front of the whole nation to confront their own words

00:23:38.320 supporting violent riots.

00:23:42.460 And they had to sit there through it.

00:23:45.180 And they had to.

00:23:45.740 I felt heard as an American.

00:23:47.240 And I felt like the millions of Americans who had to deal with riots and boarded up stores

00:23:52.920 and intimidation and cancel culture finally got one back.

00:23:57.560 We finally somebody heard us today.

00:23:59.800 Well, people who impose this regime on us are forced to listen to what they said.

00:24:04.720 And they were told explicitly by Trump's defense lawyers.

00:24:07.060 You would all be guilty by your own standard.

00:24:10.280 Well, I've never seen you so effusive about a speech before.

00:24:13.140 So you've convinced me to watch it.

00:24:15.000 I have one last question, then I'll let you go, because I don't want to make you a minute

00:24:18.360 late for watching the rest of it.

00:24:21.700 I know that there are some wobbly Republicans, some never-Trump Republicans, like Mitt Romney

00:24:27.340 in the Senate.

00:24:28.080 But there's also some Democrats, like I think of Joe Manchin in, I think he's in West Virginia,

00:24:34.680 who I would call conservative, even though he's a Democrat.

00:24:38.640 Sometimes the squad and the radical elements of the Democrats get so far ahead of things

00:24:44.180 that the moderates in their party say, whoa, you're going to get us hurt.

00:24:48.260 Is this one of those things where you might even see some Democrats from, you know, who

00:24:53.720 want to be reasonable, who are maybe up for election in two years, say, yeah, I'm not going

00:24:58.120 to go along with this because it's just not who my state is.

00:25:02.320 Like, for them to succeed.

00:25:05.100 Go ahead.

00:25:05.300 I doubt it.

00:25:05.920 I think Democrats will all vote to convict the president, just like they did last time.

00:25:11.960 Okay.

00:25:12.900 And I think they'll do it again.

00:25:14.260 The question is whether some of those Republicans who were wavering, the five or six, whether

00:25:21.060 they will come back and vote to acquit Trump.

00:25:23.780 I think after today, some of them might.

00:25:26.360 Joel, I'm going to let you go, because I don't want you to miss a minute.

00:25:28.680 And I'm going to go and dig up the...

00:25:30.300 You've got to watch.

00:25:32.480 If nothing else, Ezra, if nothing else, you have to play the part where Doug Shane, one

00:25:39.440 of Trump's lawyers, debunks the Charlottesville fine people hoax in front of the entire world.

00:25:45.340 For the first time, the Democrats had to sit there and watch Trump say that he condemned

00:25:50.460 the neo-Nazis.

00:25:51.200 They played the whole relevant part of the video.

00:25:54.180 And it was glorious because those of us who've been fighting against this hoax have been waiting

00:25:58.480 for something like that for years.

00:26:00.540 Plus, he made another point, which is that the House impeachment managers had selectively

00:26:05.100 edited the video.

00:26:05.960 They had manipulated the evidence.

00:26:07.740 And that in a normal court, if a lawyer manipulates evidence, they can be subject to disciplinary

00:26:11.900 sanctions.

00:26:12.980 He really put them in their place.

00:26:14.840 You've got to watch that.

00:26:15.820 I've just tweeted it.

00:26:16.700 I've just done an article on it.

00:26:17.680 You've got to watch it.

00:26:18.280 It takes about two or three minutes.

00:26:19.760 Unbelievable.

00:26:20.880 And if your viewers haven't seen it yet, you've got to go watch it.

00:26:23.200 But you should watch the whole thing because it's really that good.

00:26:25.580 All right.

00:26:25.740 Well, we're going to tack on at this moment right here that three-minute clip you just

00:26:30.880 said.

00:26:31.120 So we're going to go find it and add it on right now for our viewers to watch at least

00:26:35.080 that three-minute highlight.

00:26:36.700 And then we'll have a link for them to watch the two-hour grand presentation.

00:26:40.560 Thank you, Joel, for this.

00:26:42.000 And thanks for the encouraging referral to this whole video, which, frankly, I would

00:26:46.460 never have watched without your encouragement.

00:26:48.360 I'll do so now.

00:26:49.540 Good luck and continue the great journalism.

00:26:52.300 Thank you very much.

00:26:53.320 All right.

00:26:53.740 Thank you.

00:26:54.200 Well, that's Joel Pollack, senior editor at Lodge of Breitbart.com.

00:26:56.600 And now let us show you the clip to which he referred.

00:27:00.660 There's that famous quote, like one of the House managers said,

00:27:03.620 A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its shoes

00:27:09.520 on.

00:27:10.540 Well, this lie traveled around the world a few times, made its way into the Biden campaign

00:27:15.440 talking points, and ended up on the Senate floor.

00:27:18.860 The Charlottesville lie.

00:27:21.380 Very fine people on both sides.

00:27:23.900 Except that isn't all he said.

00:27:25.800 And they knew it then.

00:27:27.260 And they know it now.

00:27:28.680 Watch this.

00:27:29.260 But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides.

00:27:36.240 You had people in that group.

00:27:37.680 Excuse me.

00:27:38.400 Excuse me.

00:27:39.080 I saw the same pictures as you did.

00:27:41.420 You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of to them a very,

00:27:47.520 very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

00:27:54.020 George Washington was a slave owner.

00:27:56.780 Was George Washington a slave owner?

00:27:59.440 So will George Washington now lose his status?

00:28:02.240 Are we going to take down?

00:28:03.800 Excuse me.

00:28:04.720 Are we going to take down?

00:28:05.940 Are we going to take down statues to George Washington?

00:28:08.780 How about Thomas Jefferson?

00:28:10.500 What do you think of Thomas Jefferson?

00:28:11.960 You like him?

00:28:13.140 Okay, good.

00:28:14.040 Are we going to take down the statue?

00:28:15.520 Because he was a major slave owner. 0.74

00:28:17.380 Now we're going to take down his statue.

00:28:19.480 So you know what?

00:28:20.560 It's fine.

00:28:21.420 You're changing history.

00:28:22.660 You're changing culture.

00:28:23.720 And you had people.

00:28:25.020 And I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should

00:28:29.320 be condemned totally.

00:28:30.540 But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?

00:28:37.080 And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

00:28:40.860 Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people, but you also had troublemakers.

00:28:45.980 And you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats.

00:28:53.100 You had a lot of bad people in the other group, too.

00:28:56.500 But the press has treated unfairly, sir.

00:28:57.880 I'm sorry.

00:28:58.080 I just don't understand what you were saying.

00:28:58.900 You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly?

00:29:01.360 I just don't understand what you were saying.

00:29:02.400 There were people in that rally.

00:29:04.160 And I looked the night before.

00:29:05.880 If you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of

00:29:15.200 Robert E. Lee.

00:29:16.640 I'm sure in that group there were some bad ones. 0.90

00:29:18.400 The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people, neo-Nazis, white nationalists, 0.86

00:29:25.860 whatever you want to call them.

00:29:27.300 But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally

00:29:32.380 protest because, I don't know if you know, they had a permit.

00:29:36.200 The other group didn't have a permit.

00:29:38.280 So I only tell you this.

00:29:40.620 There are two sides to a story.

00:29:42.440 I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country, a horrible moment.

00:29:49.360 But there are two sides to the country.

00:29:50.980 Does anybody have a final?

00:29:52.320 I have an infrastructure.

00:29:52.940 Does anybody have a...

00:29:53.900 You have an infrastructure.

00:29:54.660 What makes you think...

00:29:55.660 This might be today the first time the news networks played those full remarks in their

00:30:01.560 context.

00:30:02.920 And how many times have you heard that President Trump has never denounced white supremacists?

00:30:07.280 Now you in America know the truth.

00:30:21.620 Hey, welcome back.

00:30:22.540 John writes, if you could go to Walmart, then you can vote in person.

00:30:26.120 Exactly.

00:30:27.220 And if more than that, if someone can work at Walmart or work at the grocery store, a poll

00:30:32.780 worker can work at the polls.

00:30:35.360 Paul writes, one more example that this pandemic has nothing to do with the virus.

00:30:40.480 Oh, exactly right.

00:30:41.340 This is opportunism.

00:30:43.180 Never let a crisis go to waste.

00:30:44.600 That's a motto of the left.

00:30:46.460 Ryan writes, B.C. had an election in October.

00:30:49.580 No issues.

00:30:50.960 Yeah, I guess they just weren't clever enough.

00:30:53.780 They weren't rigging the rules enough.

00:30:55.880 And don't think for a second that Justin Trudeau isn't taking very careful notes about just

00:31:00.080 how easy this is for his liberal counterparts at the provincial level to get away with.

00:31:04.660 That's the show for today.

00:31:06.280 Until Monday, we're going to have a show on Monday on Family Day in parts of Canada.

00:31:09.740 We're going to have a show.

00:31:10.820 Until then, on behalf of all of us here at Rub World News, to you at home, good night.

00:31:14.660 Keep fighting for free.

00:31:15.520 We're going to have a show.

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