Rebel News Podcast - CBC says western alienation is either foolish, overly emotional, or based on a lie

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. Today, I do something that you may find a little bit abusive. I play

00:00:05.320 extended clips from a CBC show at you, and I apologize in advance, but I do so

00:00:10.640 only as an example of the kind of gross anti-Alberta ooze that emanates from the CBC.

00:00:17.960 I normally would not inflict it on you. I quote from, I show you clips from a CBC panel,

00:00:23.340 and I read to you from just a super gross CBC essay that they published about Alberta.

00:00:31.700 Unbelievable. And I'll leave you to listen to it. You'll hear my conclusion at the end.

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00:01:20.460 Tonight, Trudeau's CBC state broadcaster looks at Western alienation and says 0.95

00:01:25.320 it's either foolish, overly emotional, or based on a lie. It's November 4th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:35.220 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:39.060 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:42.700 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my

00:01:47.740 bloody right to do so.

00:01:54.360 Justin Trudeau has been on holiday for pretty much two weeks straight. He's back out in Tofino

00:01:59.800 surfing again. I mean, there's nothing for him to bother talking about, is there? I mean, sure.

00:02:05.100 Hundreds of layoffs at Husky Energy in Calgary. Another Western energy company named Citadel just

00:02:11.000 up and left Canada for the U.S. The energy giant, and Canada wants the largest Canadian company of

00:02:18.640 any kind. By the way, it just announced that it's moving its head office to the U.S. No big deal.

00:02:25.460 Well, Trudeau's busy surfing some gnarly waves, dude. I mean, he'll get back to things when he needs

00:02:30.920 to, dude. In the meantime, his surrogates at the CBC have been dispatched to handle the Westerners who

00:02:37.440 are getting a bit restless. I caught this clip online. It's a CBC reporter named Katie Simpson.

00:02:45.020 Literally not a single liberal member of parliament was willing to speak to the N-CANA move in the 0.89

00:02:50.540 United States. So Katie Simpson and the CBC stepped up to fill the void. It's how you get ahead of the

00:02:56.380 CBC. I mean, she still has a ways to go to catch up to Rosemary Barton, who literally sued the 1.00

00:03:01.900 Conservative Party mid-campaign. Oh, but she's trying. So Katie Simpson had Jason Kenney, the

00:03:08.540 Premier of Alberta Honour Show, and it was quite something. Now, take a look. I'm not going to show

00:03:12.140 you all of the exchange. I'm not actually going to show you most of Kenny's answers, though they

00:03:16.500 were actually pretty good. Because my point today is to show you the CBC, and by extension, the Media

00:03:23.180 Party, and their approach to Western issues. That's my purpose today. Kenny's answers were pretty good.

00:03:29.540 But watch this from the CBC. Take a look.

00:03:31.900 An N-CANA CEO who has since said, since the decision announcing that they are going to shift

00:03:37.400 their headquarters to the United States, they're rebranding, he has said publicly that he is

00:03:42.580 adamant the political climate has nothing to do with the decision to move its headquarters and to

00:03:48.940 rebrand. Is the CEO lying?

00:03:52.460 Hmm. What a bizarre question. In fact, Simpson herself is the liar. The world price of oil is the 0.94

00:03:59.420 world price. I mean, we Canadians do get a little bit less than the world price because the pipeline

00:04:05.120 bottleneck, sometimes a lot less. But the world price is the world price. The North American price

00:04:11.100 of gas is pretty much the same, pretty much on both sides of the Canada-U.S. border. But in Canada knows

00:04:16.700 its future is in the U.S. because they're not being attacked down there every day in the United States.

00:04:22.100 The U.S. has a fraction of our oil reserves. And we have a lot of gas, too. But they're drilling and

00:04:29.600 fracking and mining it down there as fast as they can. They're not only the world's largest producer

00:04:35.140 now, they're a net exporter competing against us in Canada, actually. And Canada's not dumb. 0.88

00:04:42.460 They know which side of the border they want to be on. Everything from taxes to regulations to just

00:04:48.020 not being attacked. Here's the founder of NCANA, Gwen Morgan, helping the slow kids at the CBC. This is

00:04:53.900 about moving to where you're not being demonized and taxed and attacked. Duh. But back to Katie Simpson

00:05:02.300 of the CBC. I mean, you know that Trudeau loves oil and gas. I mean, this is her argument. Trudeau loves

00:05:10.880 oil and gas. He doesn't hate it because, because get this. Now, you said in an interview with the

00:05:16.880 Globe and Mail that this is not just about in Canada. It's about the broader decline of the

00:05:21.360 Canadian energy industry. I'm going to quote something that you said, which I think is a

00:05:25.640 deliberate policy of the Trudeau government. Now, why specifically say that when the Trudeau

00:05:30.980 government bought a pipeline? Well, they bought a pipeline after having killed two pipelines.

00:05:37.120 But they didn't, they didn't kill the pipelines. If you're talking about Energy East, they didn't

00:05:40.960 kill that. That was a decision made because of regulatory, but I'll let you finish your answer.

00:05:46.440 That Elmer Fad moment was gorgeous. Yeah, the government bought an existing 0.96

00:05:52.120 70-year-old pipeline called Trans Mountain. It wasn't actually for sale, by the way. It wasn't in

00:05:58.440 jeopardy being shut down or anything. It has been quietly pumping away for three generations now.

00:06:04.740 Trudeau bought it, paying about a billion dollars more than it was worth, just to shut up the

00:06:12.220 company that owned it, Kinder Morgan. Because, of course, they have this massive plan to expand the

00:06:19.140 pipeline, to win it. And that's been delayed and delayed and delayed. And after the liberals killed

00:06:24.820 Northern Gateway and killed Energy East, killing this would be shocking to any remaining investors

00:06:30.540 in the country. So Kinder Morgan was about to throw in the towel, as had other pipeline companies

00:06:35.780 like Energy East, when Trudeau changed the rules and delayed them. And if this last pipeline would be

00:06:42.700 abandoned, that would be a reputational disaster for Canada. So Trudeau spent $4.5 billion overpaying

00:06:49.740 massively for an old pipeline just to pay off the company so they didn't squawk about their proposed

00:06:56.900 new pipeline not getting built. It wasn't really for sale, the old pipeline. It was just a way to

00:07:04.680 send them $1.2 billion in hush money to get them out of Canada so they wouldn't make a scene.

00:07:12.060 It allowed Trudeau to claim to the oil patch that he was very interested in building the pipeline. Sure

00:07:17.740 I am, but not to actually have to build it, to preserve some liberal seats in BC or whatever the

00:07:23.160 election plan was. Not one foot of that pipeline expansion that twinning has happened, despite the

00:07:31.580 $4.5 billion payment. That was just for the existing pipeline. Not one foot of the new pipe has been

00:07:38.480 bought. How could it be? It needs another $7, $8, $9, $10 billion anyway. One last question for

00:07:46.480 Kenny from Katie Simpson. Do you think that taking this line of attack against the Trudeau liberal

00:07:51.680 government is only stoking those frustrations of people in Alberta, people in Saskatchewan as well?

00:07:57.720 Is this line of attack against liberals stoking those sentiments of separatism in the West?

00:08:03.660 Yeah, don't you see? Standing up for the oil patch, acknowledging its grievances, that's stoking

00:08:11.320 Western separatism. No, sister, the West has been stoked. Carbon taxes on its key industry. Three pipelines

00:08:21.100 shut down. Energy East, Northern Gateway, and the Trans Mountain expansion. The daily abuse.

00:08:27.060 Angus Reid's polling shows that half of all Westerners are interested in leaving.

00:08:34.600 They're not necessarily there yet. Maybe not quite half of them, but in each province, they're

00:08:40.480 strongly or moderately in favor. Even in Manitoba, 36% think so. So they're interested in separatism.

00:08:49.080 Kenny's not stoking anything. Getting a pipeline built, as Kenny wants to happen, scrapping the

00:08:55.860 carbon tax, as Kenny wants to happen, that would actually de-stoke separatism. But that ain't

00:09:02.400 happening. That ain't happening. Anyways, with Kenny off the line, Simpson could get back to her 1.00

00:09:08.360 Alberta bashing without any pushback. She started by talking to her kind of Westerner, a left-wing 1.00

00:09:15.580 activist professor from Winnipeg. Get a load of this.

00:09:20.760 Well, I think definitely it's a two-way street here. Alberta's been for a very long period of

00:09:25.720 time been benefiting economically off the mere geographical location in which they live.

00:09:29.920 Is that why Alberta's wealthy? Just dumb luck? They just happen to be sitting on some oil and 0.98

00:09:38.260 gas? No hard work, no technology, no risk-taking, no ingenuity. Just happen to be on? Yeah, the

00:09:47.080 CBC likes that kind of Westerner. But here's the icing on the cake. CBC went to their Western

00:09:53.800 Canada specialist, a liberal journalist in Montreal named Martin Patrican. Listen to this.

00:10:03.260 Let's have a listen to what Premier Jason Kenney had to say earlier on the show when I asked

00:10:08.080 him about his claim that there is a deliberate policy in play to shut down the oil sands.

00:10:14.780 Prime Minister Trudeau himself said he wants to phase out the oil sands, and much of the senior 0.98

00:10:18.600 political staff in their government worked for organizations in the past that were explicitly

00:10:23.280 committed to landlocking Canadian energy. So yes, I do think that it is ultimately their

00:10:28.260 intention to, as to quote the Prime Minister, phase out the oil sands.

00:10:34.240 So, Liz, okay, I heard, I think I heard, Negan, I heard you react to that. What do you, what

00:10:40.580 do you make, what do you make of what, or Marty, it was Marty who reacted to that. Marty, I think

00:10:45.460 sounded like a Marty script. That was a Marty. Marty, can I get you weigh in on what do you

00:10:49.860 make of what Mr. Premier Kenney had to say there? Stephen Harper intimated the exact same

00:10:55.200 thing in saying that the majority of the oil sands have to stay in the ground in order

00:10:58.700 for Canada to make any sort of dent in its carbon emissions. Also, to say that Justin Trudeau,

00:11:06.320 it's absurd, to say that Justin Trudeau has an active policy to landlock Alberta oil is a

00:11:12.420 demonstrable lie. They're literally building or twinning a pipeline right now to get more of

00:11:17.400 that oil to the coast. There's this break in logic with this guy. And if we can talk about

00:11:23.980 Encana for a second, several business realities. Business goes where business is. Encana is more

00:11:31.000 invested in natural gas than it is in oil sands. Encana has more active acreage in terms of fracking

00:11:37.680 in the United States than it does in Canada. By moving to the United States, they have access,

00:11:42.640 as Marie said, to that capital of the United States. They also go and basically benefit from

00:11:47.920 the very boom that is depressing demand for oil, pardon me, for Canadian-sourced natural gas

00:11:54.560 right now. So the idea that they're doing this out of spite, out of anything else,

00:12:00.760 it's a plain business decision. But in politics, as in journalism, three is a trend. And as Marie said,

00:12:07.920 again, Alberta, like Quebec, has this visceral attachment to its things. And Kenny's building

00:12:15.500 a billy-pupplet of it. He's using that. And he's saying this absolute patently absurd stuff about

00:12:20.340 the Trudeau government not wanting to landlock Alberta oil to mark political. This guy is,

00:12:27.340 it's patently absurd. It doesn't make any sense. 0.92

00:12:30.000 Kenny is so absurd. I mean, it's absurd to say Trudeau's against oil and gas, isn't it? I mean,

00:12:40.500 it's absurd. It's absurd to say Trudeau wants to phase out the oil sands. That's absurd.

00:12:47.220 I've said time and time again, and you're all tired of hearing me say it, you can't make a choice

00:12:52.360 between what's good for the environment and what's good for the economy. We can't shut down the oil sands

00:12:57.560 tomorrow. We need to phase them out. We need to manage the transition off of our dependence on

00:13:04.080 fossil fuels. It's absurd to say Trudeau wants to phase out the oil sands. Who would say that?

00:13:12.000 And you heard the Alberta expert from Montreal, the pipeline is literally being built right now.

00:13:21.180 You heard him say that. Really? Really? Because every few months, liberals say, oh, hey, guys,

00:13:27.040 we're just any moment now, we're just a little bit more. We're going to totally build that pipeline.

00:13:33.960 You bet we will. I mean, every few months they make the same announcement that they're going to

00:13:37.940 start building it any minute now. I mean, $4.5 billion. You bet. It never is. It hasn't been.

00:13:47.560 It won't be built. Not as long as Gerald Butt is in charge. You know,

00:13:50.480 the anti-oil staffer in Trudeau's office. We think that the oil sands have been expanded too rapidly

00:13:58.160 without a serious plan for environmental remediation in the first place. So that's why we don't think

00:14:05.480 it's up to us to decide whether there should be another route for a pipeline. Because the real

00:14:11.540 alternative is not an alternative route. It's an alternative economy.

00:14:17.500 Yeah. No. But Patrickan can't believe how absurd and plain old stupid Kenny in Alberta is. I mean,

00:14:26.340 the pipeline's being built literally right now. That's what his sources in downtown Montreal bars

00:14:33.320 tell him. Yeah. Lest you think this is just one kooky show in the CBC, I want to show you an op-ed

00:14:39.880 that the CBC ran online this weekend by that happy fellow there, Raymond Critch.

00:14:46.460 Alberta, I get it. You're mad. We've been here before and we're here to help. That's the headline.

00:14:52.980 Let me read a bit. But first, here's a pro tip. When someone says we're from the CBC and we're here

00:14:59.060 to help, that's the time to hang on to your wallet, guys. This is such an infuriating and gross 0.94

00:15:05.140 op-ed I'm going to read you. It makes Martin Patrickan look well-informed

00:15:08.800 and calm. Let me read some of it to you. Sounds like you guys are pretty mad over there.

00:15:15.420 I get it. And as your friend, hi guys, I've let you, I'll let you vent for a minute.

00:15:22.340 She says, I've let you vent for a minute. Now we need to talk. I get that you're all pretty pissed off

00:15:29.320 that most of the rest of the country didn't vote conservative in the federal election.

00:15:33.800 Is that why Alberta is mad? Because Montreal and Toronto didn't vote conservative? Is that why

00:15:42.800 they're mad? Or is Alberta mad because Trudeau and his liberals have killed three pipelines?

00:15:49.420 Is taxing Canadian oil producers but exempting U.S. and OPEC oil imports from the carbon tax?

00:15:57.840 I've literally never heard anyone say, I'm going to separate because Montreal isn't voting

00:16:04.460 conservative. That's not a thing. Let me read some more. I hear that, but here's why that happened.

00:16:13.720 Ironically, it's probably because I'm a Newfoundlander that I get it. First, most of us have been paying

00:16:19.320 attention to the science for a long time now, and we're convinced that climate change is real,

00:16:24.820 man-made and potentially catastrophic. You know he's an uptalk. So for a party to act like it's not

00:16:30.720 happening seems a little odd. Hey guys, take it from me because I'm a friend and an expert. I mean,

00:16:38.320 a liberal lawyer from Newfoundland who would possibly know more about science than him.

00:16:43.920 Hey guys, it's catastrophic. So much so that the oil sands have to be shut down. Not Newfoundland's

00:16:49.740 offshore oil, mind you. No, no, no. And no tanker ships will be banned off the East Coast.

00:16:54.840 Just export tankers off the West Coast, mind you. But take it from me, a liberal in Newfoundland.

00:17:00.440 Guys, sorry, but we just have to say, you got to shut down your industry. I mean, science says so,

00:17:06.460 okay? Oh, and the child actor says so. How dare you? Guys, it's settled. I'll read some more.

00:17:14.420 Second, like most guys, I'm a guy. I've got plenty of friends who are women. I swear I do.

00:17:22.380 And a few friends who are gay, lesbian, or transgender. You know that. I'm not lying.

00:17:27.780 They're pretty shocked about what's been happening in the States. Some are terrified it could happen

00:17:34.660 here. And Andrew Scheer gives them no comfort from that fear. Quite frankly, he scares the crap out of

00:17:40.020 them. Well, what exactly? Has Donald Trump banned abortion or something? I wasn't looking.

00:17:49.300 In any event, is that why Western separatism is on fire? Because of transgenderism or feminism 0.99

00:17:59.200 or abortion? I don't think I'm particularly outing anybody. But if we're comparing, I don't know,

00:18:06.660 who's more gay or gay friendly. I think Calgary's going to beat St. John's. Alberta's had two women 0.57

00:18:15.860 premiers to Newfoundland's one. I could go through the list like that, I guess. But it's ridiculous

00:18:20.880 because that's insane. It has nothing to do with Western alienation. And this ain't a friend of Alberta 0.86

00:18:27.780 commiserating. This is concern trolling. This is someone telling Alberta that they're actually bigoted

00:18:33.300 and racist and transphobic and sexist and, by the way, stupid and dinosaur-ish when it comes to 1.00

00:18:41.540 science. This is a long-winded insult, this column, opposing his friendship. I love you guys, but you're 1.00

00:18:50.500 stupid bigots and science says so. It's a smear. It's a lie. It's bizarre. I'll hazard a bet that this 1.00

00:18:56.920 author, Raymond Critch, hasn't spent a week in Alberta in his whole life. All right, let me read some more.

00:19:03.300 Third, this obsession with tax cuts has got to stop. It's getting to be a fetish.

00:19:08.840 Oh, guys. What are you talking about? The fact that Westerners don't want to pay a carbon tax,

00:19:15.940 that's not a fetish. That's just not wanting to be taxed with another kind of a GST, a tax on

00:19:21.420 everything, especially a tax designed especially to go after Alberta. That's what that, it's not a

00:19:28.040 fetish, you weirdo. Here's the biggest, bizarrest lie in the whole piece. My father, a fisherman,

00:19:34.240 was the same age I am now, 39, when the Cod Mortorium happened in 1992. 40,000 people working

00:19:41.720 in an industry on which our identity was built were out of work overnight because of an environmental

00:19:47.000 problem. Sure, from where we sat, it didn't look like the cod stocks were gone. My family's inshore 0.97

00:19:53.600 fishing operation in St. John's had seen record catches in the previous years. That said, the

00:19:58.600 science was clear, and doing nothing about it was no longer an option. So he's comparing running out

00:20:05.580 of fish, as in the resource is gone, which everyone lamented, everyone in the country lamented,

00:20:12.560 everyone wished they would come back. And some steps have been taken to try and bring it back.

00:20:17.560 He's comparing overfishing with the deliberate, willful decision to kill the oil industry in its

00:20:26.520 prime. Because the science is clear, guys. What science? Every day, 100 million barrels of oil

00:20:33.740 will be bought and sold, whether it's bought from OPEC or America or Russia or from Canada. It is being

00:20:40.920 bought and sold every day. What is the clear science on shutting down the oil sands and buying

00:20:46.780 oil instead from America or OPEC? Does the science say that's no longer an option? So this is about

00:20:53.320 science, eh? Hey, Albert, I'm sorry you don't like the way you're being abused, but take it from a

00:21:00.620 leading scientist at the CBC. Science says you have to lose your jobs. And I know, buddy, but you'll get

00:21:07.880 over your rage. Now come give me a hug because I really like you and I really respect you. And now I'm

00:21:13.880 going to talk down to you a little bit more. So I understand that you're scared and that fear is

00:21:22.840 making you angry. I don't blame you. That said, we can't pretend climate change isn't real anymore.

00:21:30.460 And we can't sit back and not do whatever we can to stop it, guys. That's going to hit you first and

00:21:36.500 hardest. It sucks to be you guys. Oh, man. Don't worry. We need to support you guys while you start 0.99

00:21:43.860 to transition away from the boom days of oil and into whatever, you know, whatever kind of economy

00:21:50.380 comes next. May not be pretty, but you know, it sucks to be you, but you won't be going through it

00:21:57.100 alone. I'll be here guys. Hey, you're getting mad. Good. Let it all out. No, you're not mad at me and

00:22:06.580 how rude and stupid and ill-informed and insulting and condescending I am. No, no. You're not mad that 1.00

00:22:14.320 the CBC takes your taxes and spends it on idiots abusing Alberta like that. No, no, guys, you're really 1.00

00:22:22.880 mad because you're scared. And you're scared because of science. But the science says you have to pay

00:22:29.660 taxes to change the weather. Don't you know that's what science says? Science says so. I love you guys.

00:22:37.060 Sorry it's going to be tough for you. So we'll support you guys. You'll transition away from your jobs.

00:22:45.060 All right. His work's done now. What a good ally he is. Yeah, if I didn't know any better,

00:22:52.580 I'd say the CBC isn't actually working for Trudeau anymore. I'd say they're working for the

00:22:57.320 Western separatists. Because anyone who watched that CBC show or read that CBC article would be

00:23:05.000 angrier than ever. Stay with us for more.

00:23:09.140 Welcome back. Well, as I tell you from time to time, there are so few books these days,

00:23:26.860 especially in Canada, with a freedom orientation or a conservative orientation, that if we ever

00:23:33.360 detect one, boy, we want to tell you about it. And I've got just the book for you today. It's called

00:23:40.040 The Victim Cult, How the Culture of Blame Hurts Everyone and Wrecks Civilizations. And it is written

00:23:50.100 by Mark Milkey, who is a scholar and an activist and a successful author. And I'm delighted to have

00:23:58.460 him join us now via Skype from, you're in Calgary. Am I right, Mark? I am. Thanks for having me on.

00:24:03.920 It's great to see you. Congratulations on the new book. You've written a lot of great books

00:24:09.320 from the taxpayer's point of view in the past. Tell me about The Victim Cult. What's it about?

00:24:17.420 Well, we all know someone who thinks like a victim, right? And they may have been legitimately,

00:24:21.300 you know, hurt at some point in their life, or you may encounter someone who's faking it.

00:24:26.320 But either way, the question is, what do you do with that, right? And the danger is,

00:24:31.120 is that you dwell on the past. But think about victims. I mean, friends, family, people with that

00:24:36.200 psyche, that mentality, where they're always looking to the past, not the future, blaming the past for

00:24:40.560 what's happening now, sometimes not taking responsibility, but then multiply that by millions

00:24:45.500 of people. That's when it becomes dangerous. It's irritating on a personal level. When people engage

00:24:51.620 in kind of a victim psyche themselves, they may harm their own lives if they can't get out of a rut that

00:24:57.360 they're in. And again, they may legitimately have been harmed at some point, and I wouldn't downplay

00:25:01.700 that. But if they don't get past that, and if a society with millions of people think of themselves

00:25:08.100 as victims, then you've got a real problem. And that's where the wrecking civilization aspect of

00:25:13.320 the victim cult comes in. Now, are you talking about people who regard themselves as a victim

00:25:17.880 by reason of race or sex or sexual orientation? Or what do you mean by en masse? Do you mean people

00:25:26.660 who- Well, it can be those. It can be something else. So for example, a couple of chapters,

00:25:33.420 or the introductory chapter in the book, I look at what I call mild, moderate, and murderous victim

00:25:39.460 cults. But let's start with the mild. American college students, for example, and some in Canada,

00:25:44.320 some of the most privileged people in history, though, they often don't know it because they

00:25:48.160 don't know their history. So for example, four years ago, we're just past Halloween. Four years

00:25:52.680 ago, just before Halloween at Yale, there was an email sent out by the administration at Yale saying,

00:25:58.080 be really careful about the costumes you wear this Halloween, right? Don't wear blackface. 1.00

00:26:02.220 Our prime minister missed that one. Don't wear this and that sort of costume. Well, some of the

00:26:07.220 students are irritated because this is treating them like children. And they write to one of their

00:26:12.120 masters at Silliman College, which is where some of them live at Yale. And the professor agrees with

00:26:16.880 them, sends out an email actually trying to compliment Yale students and saying, I think

00:26:20.460 you're grownups. I think you know what to dress like. But she gets into a cultural appropriation 0.99

00:26:24.640 issues, tries to think through it honestly with students in an email. This thing blows up. A lot of

00:26:30.440 students are offended at Yale. There's a thousand people that march one day around Halloween at Yale

00:26:36.520 four years ago to protest her email and cultural appropriation. One fifth of the undergraduate

00:26:42.100 body. They think of themselves as potential victims of cultural appropriation.

00:26:46.400 And they're at one of the most elite schools in America. They're either rich now or they're about

00:26:50.420 to be rich, but they're culturally powerful, but they love it. That was their Halloween costume.

00:26:55.900 They were dressing up as victims when in fact they're the privileged. I guess that was their

00:27:01.920 former Halloween right there, Mark. Right, exactly. And that's an example of fake victimhood. And I

00:27:08.320 give other examples of that, both in Canada and the United States. But then you get into, you know,

00:27:13.220 people that have been harmed. And how do you think through that, right? So Japanese Americans were 0.97

00:27:17.760 harmed. They were interned during the war. I think we were right to compensate them as governments did in

00:27:23.900 the 1950s and again in the 1980s. But there are victim cults that go viral. And this is the dangerous

00:27:29.440 part. So for example, when I did the research, this book took about eight years from beginning to end.

00:27:34.360 I started to do some research and you see this victim psyche throughout history. So most people

00:27:39.940 are aware, I think, if they have any historical literacy of the Germans and what happened after

00:27:45.200 1933 and Adolf Hitler. And they know, for example, the awful evil race theories, the pseudoscience that he 0.73

00:27:52.580 got into and how Germany got into that. What they don't know is that Germans thought of themselves

00:27:58.200 as victims long before Adolf Hitler came along, long before World War I and the Versailles Treaty.

00:28:03.740 Germans thought of themselves as victims at least back to the early 1800s. And the interesting thing

00:28:08.780 is they were. They were victims of the French. The French had occupied parts of Germany in the late

00:28:14.200 1700s and early 1800s. Now, after the Germans eject the French from German lands, the problem is that

00:28:22.080 Germans trying to recreate some sort of national identity can't get out of this notion that they're 0.62

00:28:26.980 victims. So they think of themselves still as victims of the French. They think of themselves 0.73

00:28:31.120 as victims of Jews. They think of themselves as victims of English liberals. They think of 0.68

00:28:35.580 themselves. And I take language from Occupy, you know, that could have been taken from Occupy Wall

00:28:40.720 Street. Germans in the 1800s think of themselves as victims of capitalists. So this goes on for more

00:28:47.680 than a century. And of course, Adolf Hitler capitalizes on this in his rise to power in 1933 and 0.81

00:28:53.400 beyond. And Germany is a great example, a tragic example, a horrific example of a population that 1.00

00:28:59.680 becomes enamored with thinking themselves of victims and refusing to learn from cultures outside of

00:29:05.120 themselves. Well, let's talk about Canada in 2019. Because I know that in the United States,

00:29:12.920 in the democratic primaries, the question of reparations for African Americans, it's a real

00:29:18.480 question. And different candidates are giving their opinions on it. And I like to think that,

00:29:24.080 well, in Canada, we were part of the British Empire, which banned slavery, banned the slave trade,

00:29:29.960 and then later actually sent the Royal Navy out to stop the slave ships. So if anything,

00:29:37.500 we were part of the good guys fighting against slavery before it was cool, hundreds of years ago.

00:29:43.400 So we don't have the same history as the United States and their slave economy. I'm not saying 0.94

00:29:51.480 there was never any slavery in Canada, but certainly not the institutionalized on mass slavery of

00:29:56.540 America. But I see some of the reactions to American slavery, like Black Lives Matter,

00:30:03.960 they're being imported into Canada, even though we don't have that same history. And I don't think we

00:30:10.920 ever had significant Jim Crow laws. It just wasn't a big thing. But I think there's so much money and

00:30:20.920 political power and cool associated with the victim cult that we're importing it from places where

00:30:26.840 maybe it was real to places like Canada, where it shouldn't be a thing.

00:30:31.340 Well, precisely. And this is part of the problem is people will reach back and blame present

00:30:36.340 circumstances for what happened 100 or 200 or 300 years ago, or even 1000 years ago.

00:30:42.180 But the question of reparations for slavery is an interesting one in the United States. And I quote

00:30:46.660 Thomas Sowell and others. And you look at the issue and Thomas Sowell says, look, black American families

00:30:52.740 were quite together is the best way to put it in the 1930s began to disintegrate in the 1970s, 1980s.

00:30:59.300 And he says, you can't blame, you know, the breakdown, for example, of the black American family on

00:31:04.340 slavery, because they were, you know, black Americans are doing in terms of family structure, 1.00

00:31:09.860 okay, in the 1930s, 1940s, way up until the 1970s. In the case of Canada, you're right, there's been

00:31:16.420 sort of this import of that sort of thinking or that that the importation of that kind of politics.

00:31:21.300 But you also see it in indigenous circles, right, where there's a call for compensation,

00:31:27.300 that sort of thing or restitution. Now, the problem with this is people don't connect the dots.

00:31:32.180 If they look back and say, what happened 50 years ago, or 100 years ago, is why I am in my position

00:31:37.860 today, they make sometimes the wrong link. And in fact, the inspiration for the book came from this,

00:31:43.140 where I saw First Nations leaders, some, not all, but First Nations leaders time and again,

00:31:48.660 make the wrong link. So they look back 50 years or 150 years or 300 years, and say, the reason my

00:31:54.500 particular reserve is poor today is because of that. No, there's a more current reason. It has to do with

00:32:00.580 the geography. As I try to explain in the victim cult, if you look at geography, for example,

00:32:06.420 most First Nations reserves in the country are in the middle of nowhere, or in the north, or both.

00:32:11.540 And they're not close to educational opportunities. They're not close to income opportunities. And

00:32:17.380 therefore, that's why you find poverty on reserves. That's why you find the average,

00:32:22.260 aboriginal income in Canada is lower than others. But the moment you go away from reserves,

00:32:26.740 and you do a comparison, an apple to apple comparison, which I do in the victim cult,

00:32:30.820 I look at those, you know, young aboriginals, ages 25 to 34, compare them to other young Canadians, 1.00

00:32:37.060 ages 25 to 34. And guess what? If you have a degree, if you have a diploma, you earn as much

00:32:43.860 as any other Canadian as an aboriginal Canadian. Why? Because you're probably not in reserve,

00:32:49.620 you're likely in an urban center, and you have the same access to education and income and other

00:32:55.140 opportunities as other Canadians. And so there is this notion that we should be compensating

00:33:00.100 for what happened 50 or 100 years ago. And I say, well, no, because you're not your ancestor,

00:33:06.100 for one thing, you're not the person who lived 50 years ago, 100 years ago, who did experience

00:33:10.580 gross discrimination and prejudice, and what I call in the book, apartheid.

00:33:15.140 Right. But that's gone. It really is. There isn't institutional discrimination today against

00:33:20.740 First Nations. What there is, in fact, is sometimes race and gender quotas and other

00:33:25.700 other type quotas that favor, you know, certain groups. So in fact, we've tried rightly or wrongly,

00:33:31.700 in the case of quotas, and other sort of, you know, programs, we've tried to correct for the past. But

00:33:38.020 today, the problem for aboriginal Canadians is not institutionalized racial racism. You might

00:33:44.580 meet an occasional racist in your personal life, but there's no institutionalized racism. It's been

00:33:50.340 abolished decades ago. The problem is still reserved in the middle of nowhere. And when people look back

00:33:56.500 and try and blame the past too often, they actually miss the link. And what that means, tragically,

00:34:01.300 is they won't look for the real cause of their problems today. Or in some cases and other examples,

00:34:05.860 they won't take responsibility for their own lives and their own choices.

00:34:08.820 Yeah. You know, I used to follow a department of the CBC called CBC Aboriginal. It's now called CBC

00:34:15.780 Indigenous. Because I was interested in those stories. I'm originally from the West. I have an

00:34:20.420 interest in entrepreneurial Indian bands, like Chief Clarence Louis was one of my favorite interviews of

00:34:25.700 all time. You got 600 plus First Nations. Some of them are doing some amazing things. I started

00:34:32.740 following CBC Aboriginal. And I had to stop because it was nothing but highlighting bad news,

00:34:43.060 sickness, crime, dysfunction, suicide, welfare. It was, you know, frankly, if someone were racist and

00:34:52.740 were trying to make aboriginal people look awful, I'm not sure how different it would be from the CBC 0.99

00:34:59.380 Aboriginal feed, which, and you know, I used to do searches, I should do these again. I checked how

00:35:04.820 many times Chief Clarence Louis of the Osoyoos Indian Band, one of the most successful, wealthy

00:35:11.620 bands in Canada, employs so many people, including non-aboriginals. I compared how many times his name,

00:35:18.340 Chief Clarence Louis, was published in mainstream newspapers compared to

00:35:24.100 the chief from Attawapiskat, the dysfunctional Indian band in Northern Ontario that had a crisis.

00:35:31.780 Theresa Spence was her name. It's almost like the entire establishment prefers

00:35:39.220 Aboriginal folks to be victims, to be poor, to be begging for help, as opposed to the heroes who don't 1.00

00:35:46.660 get any ink or air time. It's almost like they have no time for Indians who can live without the 1.00

00:35:51.300 government or some other side. I found it very depressing. And this is from the CBC,

00:35:55.620 which claims to be pro-Aboriginal. Well, it contradicts the narrative, I guess,

00:35:59.460 and the assumption. Again, the assumption is often that because of past wrongs, that explains today.

00:36:05.540 Well, it doesn't actually. So I grew up near Kelowna. Same thing as you mentioned about Clarence Louis,

00:36:10.100 the West Bank First Nation, has always been kind of entrepreneurial and capitalist. The fellow who

00:36:15.700 wrote my book, Ellis Ross, now a politician, but he started with his Heisler First Nation as an elected

00:36:23.140 counselor. And I met Ross this past spring. And it was interesting, because again, the book,

00:36:28.260 the inspiration for the book came from looking at some First Nations leaders who keep repeating

00:36:32.180 the same mistakes, keep blaming the past, not learning from Clarence Louis, not learning from Ellis

00:36:39.060 Ross. Well, I heard Ellis Ross speak at an event here in Calgary, and he basically said,

00:36:43.700 listen, I don't think like a victim. Some tragic things have happened, including to his reserve,

00:36:49.060 historically, before, you know, before the reforms of the last couple of decades, especially.

00:36:54.420 So there's no doubt that people in his First Nation historically were victimized. But what he

00:36:59.540 figured out very quickly, he could be angry, and he could want to take revenge. And that was his first

00:37:03.540 impulse, he said. And he writes this in the victim cult in the forward. But Ellis says,

00:37:08.740 I had to figure out, okay, but how are we going to move forward? And what he figured out was,

00:37:13.060 we're on a coast, we can work with natural gas companies, we can get LNG off the shore here,

00:37:19.940 and we can make a lot of money doing so by working with the energy sector. And so Ellis Ross wrote the

00:37:25.860 forward for me. And in fact, he was told, and he tells the story in the forward in the victim cult,

00:37:30.500 that when he was on council, that hides the First Nation, some of his fellow counselors said,

00:37:35.060 in effect, you should take advantage of the fact that your parents went to residential school.

00:37:39.700 And Ellis said, no, I'm not going to do that. Because in their case,

00:37:44.500 they told me, he said, in the speech last spring, where he gave this in Calgary, Ellis Ross says,

00:37:50.420 look, they have a different view of residential schools. And so when I heard him speak, I said,

00:37:55.460 I thought, you know, Ellis, you're probably the perfect guy to write this. And he agrees with me

00:37:58.900 that there's a real danger in getting stuck, because some people were victims of residential

00:38:03.220 schools. But he thinks there's a real danger in making that causal for everything else. And he

00:38:08.980 said to his fellow counselors, and he writes this in the forward in the victim cult, I'm responsible

00:38:13.700 for my life. My problems were not the result of residential schools. They were a result of my own

00:38:19.140 choices, which he changed. And what I love about that is it shows that you have human agency. And I

00:38:24.660 think the danger in the victim cult for a lot of people, again, even if they truly have been victimized,

00:38:29.940 they're not denying that that happens. And it happens every day. The danger for people

00:38:34.740 is they then become stuck. And they think their problems are always someone else's fault,

00:38:40.260 and that they have no choices, and that they can't move forward. I mean, if you are racist,

00:38:44.500 that's the best way to trap people, tell them that they have no choices, that they can only be what

00:38:49.300 others tell them to be. One of the things I do in the victim cult near the end of the book,

00:38:52.900 is I look at the example of early Asian, East Asian immigration to Canada and United States.

00:39:00.820 And what you find is, is there is, you know, horrific discrimination against Chinese Canadians,

00:39:06.100 Chinese Americans, Japanese Canadians, Japanese Americans. But what I do in the book is I look at,

00:39:11.380 at how they dealt with that. They didn't accept discrimination and prejudice. They fought back,

00:39:16.740 they went to court, they tried to talk to politicians whenever they could. Early Chinese Americans,

00:39:21.780 early Japanese Canadians, they fought back. So that was number one. Number two, they also said,

00:39:27.220 look, we're going to do what we can to have a life despite the discrimination and prejudice from

00:39:31.540 white Americans. I specifically look at California and the United States. But early Asian Americans

00:39:37.460 fight back. They also try and be entrepreneurial, and they are. The other thing they do is they

00:39:42.740 constantly aim for integration. They don't give in to the races. And today you hear all sorts of

00:39:48.260 people saying, what we need is a pure culture, pure Aboriginal culture, or pure culture X.

00:39:53.220 And that's what will save us. Don't culturally, don't use my culture, don't appropriate my culture.

00:39:58.900 Early Asian immigrants to the United States and Canada had the opposite view, which is we want 1.00

00:40:03.460 to integrate because that's where success is. And lastly, what I found with early Chinese and

00:40:09.220 Japanese Americans, because the statistics were available, you look back as early as the 1920s and

00:40:14.260 the 1930s. And you find Japanese and Chinese Americans, their children attending high school

00:40:21.460 and college and graduating at rates higher than white Americans. And this is happening in the 1920s,

00:40:28.020 when really discrimination and prejudice against Asian Americans is at its peak.

00:40:32.740 So what's the lesson? The lesson is that, look, you don't have to accept being a victim and you don't

00:40:38.500 have to just, you know, and I'm not saying don't fight back. I'm saying do fight back if you're a

00:40:42.500 victim. But for heaven's sake, don't allow someone else to circumscribe your life or the tragic things

00:40:48.260 that have happened to stop you from moving forward. And Asian Americans are a great positive example,

00:40:53.140 as are the early examples here in Canada, Japanese and Chinese immigrants, you know, 1850 onwards,

00:40:58.740 who said we want a different life. And frankly, both groups made Canada and the United States live 0.55

00:41:04.020 up to our ideals, right? The life and the pursuit of happiness in the case of the United States,

00:41:08.420 but, you know, a just society and good government in the case of Canada.

00:41:12.260 You know, a lot of the victim mentality, and I would closely connect it to the racism industry,

00:41:20.180 the victim industry and the racism industry, I think is Marxism transposed on other things,

00:41:26.020 not just the, you know, the owners versus the workers. I think, I mean, this isn't my own theory,

00:41:34.020 this is how it's explicitly taught, that the Marxist lens is you've got whites at the top,

00:41:39.860 minorities underneath, straights at the top, gays underneath, men at the top, women underneath, 0.84

00:41:45.220 like they're trying to apply that class structure to other identities, and trying to get you to think

00:41:51.460 of yourself as, I'm not a person, I'm a right-handed, blue-eyed, green-eyed, you know, to break you down

00:41:59.300 into irrelevant characteristics. And the trouble with that is it forces you to become either a victim

00:42:08.100 or a bully, and no one wants to be a bully. And I think it's an attempt to gin up trouble where none

00:42:15.300 exists. Just as I think that today's working class is the wealthiest in history, I think in Canada

00:42:22.420 especially, minorities of every sort are doing better than ever in history, and in some measures,

00:42:30.740 and you identified some, are even ahead of the old stock population. I know, for example, women are a 1.00

00:42:38.260 majority of university students, especially in medicine. I don't know the stats for visible minorities,

00:42:45.220 but I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's at least at par with the population, maybe even more.

00:42:50.100 We see in places like California, the government's actually discriminating against Asian kids to keep them

00:42:56.100 out. That suggests to me that they're doing very well. I think the whole thing is an industry.

00:43:01.060 I'm drawn to something. In one of my chapters, I actually look at this notion of, okay, is Canada

00:43:07.460 sort of inherently institutionally racist? Well, a lot of the laws against institutionalized racism

00:43:13.460 and even discrimination on gender, you know, were changed in the 1950s. In the case of Ontario,

00:43:18.420 there's laws that begin to be passed that say you cannot discriminate at the workplace. You cannot

00:43:22.660 discriminate, you know, in rental accommodation based on your skin color, for example. This starts in

00:43:28.420 the 1950s. And I think part of the problem with, you know, the victim cults today and the identity

00:43:34.100 politics movement, which are identified in kind of this, this class, you know, this class warfare now

00:43:39.140 overlaid onto identity politics is that people don't know their history and they don't know that

00:43:43.780 actually institutional discrimination began to be wiped away in the 1950s and 1960s. But even,

00:43:49.940 you know, despite that, you know, now 70 years ago, in the case of the 1950s, almost,

00:43:55.780 I mean, you do see evidence of success of groups. I mean, for example, in 1980, I look at the Canadian

00:44:03.220 census, census data. And in 1981, Korean Americans, sorry, Korean Canadians make about 13% less than,

00:44:11.060 you know, old stock Canadians, right? Japanese Americans make 13, Japanese Canadians, rather, 0.95

00:44:16.660 make 13% more than mainstream Canadians. Now, this is really odd. I mean, are we discriminating

00:44:23.300 against the society Korean Canadians in 1981? Because their average pay is 13% lower? If we're, 0.61

00:44:31.300 if Canada is like a haven of, you know, the nastiest type of bigots from around the world,

00:44:37.300 how does that explain how Japanese Canadians who were heavily discriminated against just decades

00:44:41.940 before, now earn more than the average Canadian 13% more as of 1981? So the data doesn't often support

00:44:49.060 what people think, but somehow there's this institutional hidden racism in Canada.

00:44:54.820 And that really comes from, again, this identity politics movement, the notion of white privilege.

00:44:59.940 I point out, you know, one of the interesting things, and I write about in one of the chapters

00:45:03.860 in the victim cult, is I'm in Hong Kong in 2013. And what do I hear from people who are really not

00:45:11.300 European origin or British, right? They're, you know, they're mostly from, you know, China proper,

00:45:17.380 but of course, emigrated to Hong Kong over the last 150 years, or ancestors had always lived there.

00:45:22.980 I was told in 2013, by politicians and civil servants, and business people, there are three

00:45:28.580 things we want to keep the rule of law, including the British legal code, our anti-corruption efforts,

00:45:33.540 because they were comparing it to China, to Beijing, to the corruption in business and

00:45:37.220 courts and politics in China, and they wanted to keep capitalism. Here was a non-European culture 1.00

00:45:43.300 saying, we understand what makes people successful. It's capitalism. It's the rule of law. A British 0.88

00:45:49.700 legacy, right? And yet we deal with kind of people who think they're victims of the British still in

00:45:55.060 Canada a century later. I mean, it's kind of crazy, Ezra. We're talking with Mark Milkey. He's the author

00:46:00.820 of The Victim Cult, How the Culture of Blame Hurts Everyone and Wrecks Civilizations. Mark, you mentioned

00:46:06.660 Thomas Sowell at the beginning of our conversation, and I think it was also him who said that reparations

00:46:13.220 are paying money to people who themselves didn't suffer, and from people who themselves didn't do

00:46:22.260 anything wrong. He said it much more elegantly than that. And that's the thing. You mentioned

00:46:27.140 the stats from 30, 40 years ago. You mentioned anti-discrimination laws from the 60s and the 50s.

00:46:33.060 Canada was 95% white back then. Old stock Canadian. I mean, there's Aboriginal folks, but 1.00

00:46:43.380 it was extremely white. And that goes to my point about we didn't have slavery like America. So if you

00:46:50.900 have people in Canada today who are minorities, many of them are first-generation immigrants,

00:46:55.860 they weren't discriminated against by Canadians. And by the way, newcomers to Canada now didn't 0.95

00:47:04.420 discriminate against Canadians themselves. It's, I really think we're importing fake solutions from

00:47:11.860 other countries. Well, and fake problems. Yeah, no, and fake problems. I mean, there was a, you know,

00:47:17.620 there was a degree of slavery in Canada in the late 1700s, early 1800s. But it actually was attacked

00:47:23.140 by the governor of the day, imitating William Wilberforce in the United Kingdom, who was raging

00:47:29.220 against slavery early on in the late 1700s, early 1800s. Spence, he's a famous British parliamentarian

00:47:35.300 who led the charge against slavery in Great Britain in the late 1700s and early 1800s. And the

00:47:40.900 early governors of Canada long before Confederation picked up on that and began to push back as did

00:47:46.580 some judges in the late 19th and early late 18th and early 19th centuries. So the notion, yeah,

00:47:53.780 there is this, again, this imitation of US politics. Now, the problem though, with compensation

00:47:58.740 arguments, I'm not against all compensation. As I write in the book, I think liberal democracies do

00:48:04.420 on occasion compensate people, right? I mean, you can go to court, for example, if your property is

00:48:09.060 stolen by government and say, that's not fair, I want it back, or I want compensation. That's

00:48:13.700 reasonable. So the question is, who's getting compensated, right? I would say, you know, if

00:48:18.820 you've been harmed by the state or someone else, or your family has, maybe your parents, maybe even

00:48:23.380 your grandparents. But if you go back much further than that, I think it's a real stretch. And that's

00:48:28.580 kind of the problem with compensation arguments for slavery 200 years ago, or maybe what the British did

00:48:33.860 in 1860 in Canada. Racist and prejudiced and, you know, as terrible as some policies were in 1860

00:48:41.460 in this country. Yeah. Theoretically, I could have a claim against the Russians from which I came in 1903. 0.68

00:48:48.980 After a while, it's ridiculous. Well, let me ask you, how's your book being received? Because

00:48:54.260 you have an ally. You mentioned the Aboriginal man who wrote the foreword for you. Ellis Ross.

00:48:59.460 Yes. And we talked about other folks who are abandoning the victim mentality. How is your book

00:49:06.900 being received? Has it been denounced by the victim industry? Or are they open minded to it?

00:49:13.220 Well, we'll see. It's just been released. But I can tell you that I've had several editors on the

00:49:17.300 book when I worked with my literary agent, but also the editors on the book near the end. I didn't know

00:49:23.380 any of them. One in particular, for example, was from Lethbridge originally, now lives in Toronto,

00:49:28.820 works for my literary agent. And she was initially skeptical of the book. And she thought, well,

00:49:35.060 is this just kind of a rant? Are you are you blaming the victim? And as she read through it,

00:49:39.620 she wrote me a very nice note and said, Mark, you know, your arguments are very persuasive.

00:49:44.580 Another editor said, you know, look, this is strong stuff. I mean, you're talking a tough issue.

00:49:49.780 But, you know, your compassion comes through. I think they understood that what I was pointing at was,

00:49:55.220 listen, something Alexander Solzhenitsyn said, and I quoted in the introductory part of the victim

00:50:00.180 cult. It's really easy for all of us, no matter our background, no matter ethnicity, like my

00:50:05.060 grandparents suffered. You know, I mean, your ethnicity or your background, rather, as you're,

00:50:10.180 you know, Jewish, I think most people know, I mean, there's no shortage of victims in the Jewish 1.00

00:50:14.420 community. And I mean, legitimate, like harmed people, obviously, to put not too fine a point on it,

00:50:19.780 to understate it. So there's no shortage of victims around the world. But what people who,

00:50:24.580 um, I think have read my book thus far, the feedback I get is they get that there's, um,

00:50:30.740 there's a need to say, yes, we recognize some people are harmed, but again, don't get stuck

00:50:35.700 there because then you're your own worst enemy. Then you're there. You're letting the racist and

00:50:40.020 you're letting the bullies of history win. So don't get stuck there. And Alexander Solzhenitsyn also made a

00:50:45.060 very key point that I quote in the introductory part of the book, which is, uh, and Alexander

00:50:50.260 Solzhenitsyn for your viewers that don't know him was a Soviet dissonant fought against communism

00:50:54.900 and was put in a gulag in the second world war because he didn't agree with communism anymore.

00:50:59.940 Um, but have light bulb moments. And one of them was a lot of the people around him thought if only

00:51:05.620 we got rid of those other people who are evil and Solzhenitsyn says, be very careful. The dividing

00:51:11.300 line between good and evil is in our hearts and you got to be really careful. And the problem is

00:51:15.860 even when you're victimized, and I portray the Hutus, for example, in Rwanda, victimized by the

00:51:21.940 minority Tutsis earlier in the 20th century, they come to power. What do they do? They victimize the 1.00

00:51:27.460 Tutsis. It leads to a genocide in 1994. Why? Because they thought the problem was in other hearts.

00:51:33.700 And it's important to recognize that good and evil, um, is in all of our hearts. And just because one

00:51:39.300 has been victimized, but especially if one hasn't been, you got to be really careful, uh, not to

00:51:44.740 blame someone else, but perhaps take responsibility for your own choices and believe that you have

00:51:49.140 choices, even if you've been victimized. I mean, it's a, it's a difficult thing to grasp for people

00:51:53.780 or a tough pill to swallow, but I think Solzhenitsyn was right. And I think, uh, I think there's some

00:51:59.540 optimism in that. And I give the, I give the story, if I may, at the end of the book of my grandmother

00:52:03.860 who, you know, was transported around central Europe, starting right around world war one,

00:52:09.140 never got to school, never learned how to read, eventually made her way to Canada in 1927,

00:52:13.940 marries my grandfather. Uh, you know, the, the man who became my grandfather several years later,

00:52:18.660 um, they had some tough, tough things happen to the 1920s and 1930s, but I never remember,

00:52:25.540 I was in Kelowna growing up. They were, they were alive for the first 20 years of my life. I never

00:52:29.540 remember my grandfather or my grandmother complaining about the land they lost, the

00:52:33.620 family members they lost, including my grandmother's sisters, two of them. Um,

00:52:38.180 but they brought the best from the old country. I remember them planting fruit trees and flowers,

00:52:42.660 which they would have remembered from Ukraine, where my grandmother grew up in Poland, where

00:52:46.180 my grandfather grew up. And I remember that for all of their lives, they brought beauty into Canada

00:52:51.380 and it was really terrific. They didn't think like victims, even though they were.

00:52:54.500 Sure. Well, that's a great note to end on Mark. And I hope this book takes off. I hope it is read

00:53:00.980 by those who are tempted, um, to take, I don't even, I'm not even going to call it the easy way.

00:53:06.820 It's maybe the morally easy way to say all the bad things done to me were done by someone else.

00:53:11.860 And let me blame someone. I hope your book's a hit. Uh, it's great to talk to you about it. It's called

00:53:16.580 the victim cult. I think we're going to put this whole interview on YouTube and we'll email it to our

00:53:21.140 subscribers. Cause I think they'll want to see a book like this standing athwart all the other

00:53:26.740 books that propose victimology. It sounds like yours is an antidote. Congratulations to you, my friend.

00:53:32.340 Thank you. All right. There we have it. Mark Milky is an author and I encourage you to check it out.

00:53:37.780 The link below this video takes you directly to the Amazon page where you can get a copy of the book.

00:53:44.100 The ebook Kindle version is $9.99 and the print version, which is 316 substantial pages is $28.95.

00:53:54.740 Stay with us. More ahead on the road.

00:54:04.980 On my monologue Friday about the Canadian military participating at a Chinese sports competition

00:54:09.620 and Chinese military vets starting an association here in Canada. Robert writes,

00:54:16.180 soldiers of the People's Liberation Army have taken an oath to China. I don't think it expires on their

00:54:20.580 retirement from the military. These people should not be admitted to Canada for residence or citizenship. 1.00

00:54:26.340 Well, you're sounding positively like you have a Canadian identity. Who let you in here?

00:54:33.540 Yeah. Do you think Trudeau's going to stand up for a Canadian identity at all, let alone against China?

00:54:38.420 Edward writes, Trudeau's record of secret relations with China should be of concern to not only Canadians,

00:54:45.860 but all of our allies. Yeah, I don't know if you saw over the weekend, Susan Rice,

00:54:51.300 the disgraced former national security advisor to Barack Obama. She said to Canada, if you go with Huawei,

00:54:59.700 that's the Chinese telecom company, to build your 5G networks in Canada, it will basically let the Chinese 0.99

00:55:06.820 intelligence services listen in to everything and control and interfere with everything. And that will

00:55:11.940 put Canada in jeopardy in terms of maintaining its preferred security relationship with our other

00:55:18.980 allies, called the Five Eyes. You know, US, UK, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. I don't think Trudeau

00:55:25.220 cared. I think Trudeau would actually welcome joining the Chinese circle of influence. I really think he

00:55:31.780 would. I know that sounds crazy, but show me a single action he's taken to the contrary.

00:55:37.700 On my interview with Gary McHale, Jan writes,

00:55:41.220 I'm so glad you featured and interviewed Gary McHale. This is a brave and eager attempt to make

00:55:46.260 Canadian voices heard, and we should all be grateful to him having the courage to do this

00:55:50.820 on our behalf. Well, we sent our friend David Menzies down to the court in Ottawa today, so I look

00:55:55.860 forward to his report. Look, it's a long shot, and Gary McHale is not a lawyer himself. Private prosecutions

00:56:02.180 are designed for citizens to go to court directly, or with a private lawyer. The odds are against it,

00:56:08.900 but I thought it was worth interviewing him, and we'll have David's full report later. I actually

00:56:12.980 don't know the result of things, even as I record this. Well, that's today's show. On behalf of all us

00:56:19.220 here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - November 05, 2019

CBC says western alienation is either foolish, overly emotional, or based on a lie

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