Rebel News Podcast - Children in fear due to climate change fear mongering： Here's how to help

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00:01:31.640 Adults are making their irrational fears about climate change contagious for children now.

00:01:51.720 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, and you're watching The Gunn Show.

00:01:54.760 Some children find spending time in nature distressing because it can trigger feelings

00:02:18.720 of anxiety and despair linked to climate change.

00:02:21.860 Friends, that was a very recent headline in the Daily Mail, one of the world's largest

00:02:26.720 publications.

00:02:28.420 It goes on.

00:02:29.400 These troubling emotions and their link to climate change have been studied by University

00:02:33.640 of Columbia researchers for the British Psychological Society.

00:02:39.020 Children and teenagers were triggered by the natural world and their inability to control

00:02:45.500 what was happening to the, quote, unraveling biosphere, the team said.

00:02:51.680 However, the good news to come out of the study, though, was that the remedy for this fear

00:02:57.080 of the natural world was increased exposure to the natural world.

00:03:02.240 Look at this from the same article.

00:03:04.060 There is strong evidence that children are happier, healthier, function better, know more

00:03:11.180 about the environment and are more likely to take action to protect the natural world when

00:03:17.760 they spend time in nature.

00:03:20.120 No kidding.

00:03:21.260 Several studies found that children's connection with nature increased with time spent in natural

00:03:27.720 environments.

00:03:28.300 Again, no kidding.

00:03:30.520 Now, I read this as kids worry less about their effect on nature when they spend time in nature

00:03:36.380 and they get to see how resilient nature is, but also kids value nature when they're in

00:03:42.320 it as opposed to when they experience it in a book.

00:03:45.480 And they're then compelled to become conservationists rather than radical environmentalists.

00:03:52.760 Now, joining me today to talk about the issue of adult climate change anxiety manifesting

00:03:59.100 in little children and how she's doing something in her own little way to alleviate those fears

00:04:04.160 in small children is Michelle Sterling from Friends of Science.

00:04:23.320 Joining me now from her home in Calgary is good friend of the show, friend of mine, Michelle

00:04:28.800 Sterling from Friends of Science.

00:04:30.700 Michelle, I wanted to have you on the show because you're actually doing something and

00:04:35.940 we'll get to that in a little bit in a way that I think you're doing work that nobody else

00:04:42.580 is to alleviate some of this anxiety that all the adults are infecting kids with about

00:04:48.240 climate change.

00:04:49.180 But first, please, because you've done some work on this.

00:04:52.080 You've done actually a few videos on the Friends of Science YouTube channel about how kids just

00:04:58.300 sort of need to chill out.

00:04:59.600 But I mean, the Daily Mail is one of the world's largest publications.

00:05:03.480 I think on some days it is the world's largest publication.

00:05:06.820 And this isn't the only article of its kind that I've seen, that some children are finding

00:05:13.720 spending time in nature distressing because it can trigger feelings of anxiety and despair

00:05:18.860 linked to climate change.

00:05:20.340 And the researchers use words like the children are triggered by the natural world and their

00:05:31.160 inability to control what was happening to the unraveling biosphere.

00:05:37.600 It seems like these studies are designed to elicit a certain response from the kids.

00:05:42.000 It's like, you know, a solution in search of a problem.

00:05:46.540 Yes, well, that study is, you know, quite a novel thing because this woman reviewed a number

00:05:56.500 of different pieces of research that are out there.

00:06:00.820 Her name is Louise Chawla.

00:06:02.520 And these are all quite diverse pieces of sociological research on children's perceptions of nature.

00:06:12.900 And most of the thrust of the paper seems to be trying to incorporate the idea that if you love

00:06:18.540 nature, then you'll be a good eco-citizen.

00:06:21.020 You'll recycle.

00:06:22.040 You'll be kind to pets and animals and such like.

00:06:25.280 And your life will be fulfilled.

00:06:28.120 And there's a lot of talk in there about how spending time in nature makes one feel at one

00:06:34.840 with nature and such like.

00:06:36.940 And one of the interesting things is that one of the studies she mentions had a survey of

00:06:43.460 children that were two and a half years old.

00:06:46.580 And so because children can't really talk at that age, they kind of use their parents as

00:06:54.260 the transference method.

00:06:57.280 So, you know, what are you really trying to ascertain from a two and a half year old who

00:07:02.300 can't speak and has no greater understanding of the world?

00:07:05.980 You know, a child who when their mother or father leaves the room, they often will start

00:07:11.680 crying because their parent is gone and they don't quite understand that they're just in

00:07:17.440 the other room.

00:07:19.740 You know, so you're surveying people who have no sense of the complex world and yet trying

00:07:26.960 to draw some conclusions about how they feel in nature.

00:07:32.500 One of the other things I found quite interesting is that one of the surveys found that children

00:07:38.440 as young as five are afraid of the world getting too hot.

00:07:44.000 So, you know, you start to question, what have we inculcated in the very smallest children

00:07:49.060 of this world, but fear of the environment.

00:07:53.780 And then they wonder why they're afraid to go into nature.

00:07:57.660 I think it's quite evil to do this to young children.

00:08:03.640 I think young children need to live with hope for the future and not fear that they're in

00:08:09.820 some sort of apocalyptic end times.

00:08:12.540 I mean, if a doomsday cult did this to children, we would call it child abuse.

00:08:18.380 But when the environmental movement does it, we say, OK, well, it's a legitimate psychological

00:08:23.260 disorder, this anxiety that kids are experiencing.

00:08:26.700 And apparently only taxes fix it. 0.52

00:08:29.120 Now, you have actually been sort of on the forefront of trying to undo what I would call

00:08:36.760 the Greta Thunberg effect, this amplification of children's role on the front lines against

00:08:44.880 climate change.

00:08:45.720 I mean, Greta Thunberg is telling children that not only is the world going to end because

00:08:54.780 of your parents, but if you do not, if it is to be saved, it must be saved by the children.

00:09:01.900 I think that's a horrific responsibility to put on kids.

00:09:05.340 But you've been actually doing your best to undo this through a series of videos like you

00:09:09.500 have a video, popular video over on the Friends of Science YouTube page that says, I don't want

00:09:17.560 to die.

00:09:18.100 And you break down the climate exploitation of children.

00:09:20.560 Well, I don't want to die stems from a mother in Toronto whose child was at school.

00:09:29.040 And I think it was the 3% project that came in.

00:09:32.000 And they showed, you know, how catastrophically the world is going to end to a group of children.

00:09:37.180 They were children were being funneled in and out of the library for this presentation.

00:09:41.380 And, you know, a lot of the kids were like, I don't want to die.

00:09:44.080 So this very brave mother went to the press and got a story published about it, exposing

00:09:50.580 this.

00:09:52.080 And I don't think that parents are really aware of the kind of influence that's going

00:09:56.980 on in schools from these scaremongers.

00:09:59.720 And I guess in one sense, we can see that with the We Charity thing blowing up, where

00:10:05.560 people finally realize, wait a minute, our kids are being indoctrinated in schools by people

00:10:11.700 with, you know, questionable motives.

00:10:13.920 And that's what we see with the whole Greta Thunberg thing, where behind her are a group 1.00

00:10:19.080 of green billionaires who are pushing carbon offset trading.

00:10:22.500 That's their whole mandate.

00:10:23.580 And she's like, they're walking native ad.

00:10:26.140 Native advertising is sort of a recent development in advertising where a sponsored article appears

00:10:32.580 in the news as if a credible editorial article sanctioned by, you know, a newspaper and written

00:10:41.460 by journalists when it's really a sponsored thing.

00:10:44.520 So people perceive it as a real news story.

00:10:48.340 So Greta is perceived as a real citizen, you know, traveling the world with her message.

00:10:53.840 But actually, behind her are people who own Time Magazine, people who own a big ad agency,

00:11:02.000 people who are running a social engineering, social media platform with when they started

00:11:07.920 with their IPO, they had 100 million users, you know, that that's, that's the kind of power

00:11:14.020 and influence they wanted to get out there.

00:11:16.640 Um, and actually, left wing journalist and author, Corey Morningstar has written lots and

00:11:25.020 lots and lots of this.

00:11:25.940 She's done fantastic research on this whole sort of capitalist, green crony capitalist movement

00:11:32.580 behind Greta Thunberg.

00:11:35.200 And, you know, how people are just being incredibly duped by it all.

00:11:39.380 But it's, it's really tragic, because we have children who are terrified now of nature,

00:11:44.940 of their future, existential doom is very high.

00:11:50.420 I was reading a report the other day, um, about a child in, uh, in, I think it was in

00:11:59.080 Australia, who was suffering from a climate delusion.

00:12:03.280 They almost died from not drinking water, because they thought if they drank more water,

00:12:07.580 um, it would prove, it would mean that Australian bushfires would be out of control, you know,

00:12:13.600 so, like, people are highly suggestible.

00:12:16.400 So when you take small people, and you give them these impressions, it can just go right

00:12:22.480 to the, um, nth degree with them, and they don't have a context to make better sense of

00:12:28.640 it, especially if their parents are also, you know, eco nuts.

00:12:32.260 Yeah, especially if this is the world in which children live, and it's hard for kids to escape

00:12:38.960 it, even if they have reasonable parents, um, the schools are completely infected with this.

00:12:46.260 This is, this, this climate doom and gloom, it's the common parlance of science in school.

00:12:53.020 Um, and so, it's hard for even good parents to prevent their children from becoming contaminated

00:13:02.260 with this sort of worry.

00:13:04.220 Right, and, and also in schools, as noted in this paper in a number of these studies, um,

00:13:09.820 you know, when you and I grew up, or, or say your kids living out on the farm, you know,

00:13:14.700 of course you'd go and spend time in nature.

00:13:16.920 I mean, that's what we used to do.

00:13:18.100 We used to go sit under a tree and watch the ants, you know, we used to go into the backwash

00:13:23.100 and play where the lilies grew.

00:13:26.440 We spent hours and hours out in the forest.

00:13:29.320 We used to watch our dog being chased around by a coyote and chasing back.

00:13:34.520 You know, these were like normal things for us.

00:13:37.880 Um, the, the way to spend an afternoon was to go for a walk in the woods or a walk in the

00:13:42.560 field or to do some chores around the house.

00:13:45.020 So, yes, there is a fear of nature on the one hand, because it's very big.

00:13:50.460 And I think that that's actually, you know, a common theme in Canadian literature and art.

00:13:55.980 If you go back to, say, the, um, uh, the group of seven, and you look, I call them the lucky

00:14:02.360 seven, but when you look, you know, their art, nature is very stern and imposing and threatening.

00:14:08.960 Um, and when you think of the vast expanses here, yes, it can be very threatening.

00:14:14.120 But when you grow up in nature on a farm or when you go camping and hiking, then you learn

00:14:21.620 to live with nature and enjoy it and be prepared for those fearful things.

00:14:26.400 But what schools are doing now, and according to many of the things in the study, many of

00:14:30.800 the papers in this study, you know, they're just using nature trips as a means of pushing

00:14:35.980 an ecological agenda.

00:14:38.540 So you're not actually teaching kids to enjoy nature and just observe it and be there and

00:14:45.020 draw your own conclusions.

00:14:46.060 You have this end game that you want to impose upon them that, you know, completely, um, detracts

00:14:55.080 from the ability to simply enjoy it.

00:14:57.580 You know, it's funny how you, um, as you were speaking about the group of seven, I thought

00:15:02.980 about how sometime in the last 50 years, we, the switches flipped as human beings, especially

00:15:11.880 Canadians.

00:15:12.440 And I think especially because of our, just our geography, the size of our country, the

00:15:15.960 kind of, uh, climate in which we live, um, we realized that nature could be dangerous and

00:15:25.160 it was foreboding and much bigger than us, um, something that we could barely dream to

00:15:31.540 control.

00:15:32.180 And now, according to environmentalists, nature is something to be feared, but not because

00:15:37.620 we, we can't control it, but because we do control it by our behavior.

00:15:43.360 Right.

00:15:43.940 They flipped the narrative.

00:15:45.660 Um, just as you were speaking of that, I was thinking of the Jack London story, uh, to

00:15:50.560 light a fire.

00:15:52.220 Um, I think it's really worth people reading that, especially city people who, you know,

00:15:57.020 are so obsessed with climate change and stuff.

00:15:59.220 It's like, read this old time story of a prospector who goes alone with his dog into the woods,

00:16:07.320 trying to set up, get to the next camp.

00:16:10.220 And along the way, um, he falls into the stream, gets soaked.

00:16:16.540 It's the middle of winter.

00:16:17.640 He tries to light a fire.

00:16:18.780 He's got a few matches, but he doesn't succeed.

00:16:23.220 And, you know, when you read that, you understand that humans do live on this edge with, um, the

00:16:31.760 climate and with the environment that we're in.

00:16:34.100 And the only thing that has saved us from that is our ability to move technology forward,

00:16:40.160 to understand engineering, to create all the many wonderful comforts that we have, like

00:16:47.160 an insulated house, you know, cause people used to live in a hut, but, um, but along the

00:16:55.180 way, all those people also appreciated nature.

00:16:57.520 Like when you see historic images, people painting pictures of flowers and trees and

00:17:02.880 landscapes, there's obviously a great sense of joy and glory and wonder that goes along

00:17:09.100 with the fact that they lived in very difficult and fearful times.

00:17:12.300 And today it's kind of the opposite.

00:17:13.740 That especially urban people are so separated from the realities of survival that they can

00:17:19.560 only see nature as a means to a climate change narrative rather than seeing themselves as

00:17:27.440 part of the natural world.

00:17:30.940 Now, moving on to, um, I guess the flip side of this debate about, you know, kids being infected

00:17:39.200 with, uh, climate, uh, climate anxiety, there are some young people who are actually being

00:17:43.660 infected by climate realism and they are being attacked by the liberal media.

00:17:50.900 Um, and it's funny to see the liberal media, um, complain about our side of the debate using

00:18:00.680 words like climate realism to describe how we feel about climate change.

00:18:06.040 When they insist that we should use words like climate denialism.

00:18:10.940 And so it's funny to hear them get angry because we don't use the words that they think are

00:18:17.340 accurate when they're the ones who started off with global warming, then it was climate change,

00:18:21.600 then it was, uh, climate weird, weirding, whatever it is, global weirding, global weirding.

00:18:28.380 I mean, like they are constantly shifting the words to fit what's going on or what isn't going

00:18:33.980 on, what hasn't manifested itself.

00:18:35.980 And yet when we say we're just realists, we probably think that humans do affect the environment

00:18:41.360 around them as anything within an environment would, but we don't think it's a catastrophe

00:18:47.540 the way the other side says.

00:18:49.380 And when we have kids step up and say, I refuse to be a worry wart, they get attacked by grownup

00:18:58.560 liberal journalists.

00:18:59.920 And I thought liberal journalists were against that sort of thing.

00:19:03.520 Yeah, that's quite true.

00:19:05.060 Yeah.

00:19:05.200 There's recently an article in the New Republic where, um, uh, Giulio Corsi and, uh, Stella

00:19:11.300 Levantisi, uh, Giulio is, um, PhD student at candidate at, uh, Cambridge university, which

00:19:18.940 is Isaac Newton's university.

00:19:21.340 Um, and he and Stella, who's a journalist in Italy, uh, um, joined forces to write a polemic

00:19:29.840 against Naomi site, uh, because they say, well, her, um, realism is actually the new form

00:19:38.680 of climate denial.

00:19:39.880 And then they also mentioned us as the notorious deniers, friends of science.

00:19:45.540 Of course, this, uh, fabulous PhD candidate researcher didn't even bother to contact us

00:19:52.380 to ask us what our, uh, perspective is on climate change.

00:19:56.680 He just assumed it from the smog blog and the smog blog is of course set up by an Al Gore

00:20:02.220 Acolyte.

00:20:03.000 So this is a very improbable, uh, source of impartial information.

00:20:09.100 So, um, yeah, they just went after Naomi, uh, for, um, you know, not accepting the alarmist

00:20:16.340 viewpoint for being a denialist and went after us.

00:20:19.920 And, and, you know, so I wrote an article on medium, um, on the blog medium, you know,

00:20:26.800 talking about climate dogma versus scientific inquiry.

00:20:30.040 Like if these people are investigative journalists and PhD candidates, why wouldn't they look into

00:20:37.420 why Naomi site is not an alarmist?

00:20:42.700 Why wouldn't they ask her?

00:20:44.260 Why wouldn't they interview some of the people whose references she refers to and see whether

00:20:50.000 or not she actually has, uh, any value to her position?

00:20:54.100 Um, so it's, it's, um, you know, it's, uh, funny to see that people at universities, um,

00:21:01.720 not only no longer value academic freedom, they actively try to suppress freedom of speech

00:21:07.400 and scientific inquiry.

00:21:08.780 So what, what is the world going to come to, you know, when we're raising children who are

00:21:13.940 afraid of nature and afraid to ask questions and terrified that the world will end.

00:21:21.000 And they're ending up as PhD candidates in, uh, what used to be one of the top universities

00:21:27.180 in the world, you know, writing a, a bullying name calling article to smear a 19 year old young

00:21:36.660 woman who happens to think for herself, you know, she should be at Cambridge.

00:21:41.220 She should be the PhD candidate. 0.99

00:21:43.620 She's the one who's actually asking questions.

00:21:46.460 Yeah.

00:21:46.580 I read that, um, new Republic article and I got the same sense that I got when I was reading

00:21:52.900 through the article about the nature studies causing dis and nature causing distress in kids.

00:21:58.120 It was very clearly an article written and the conclusions had already been drawn before

00:22:06.640 they formulated the idea for the article.

00:22:09.260 And, um, you know, it's pretty clear when they don't reach out to the other side, they

00:22:14.200 don't care.

00:22:15.160 They don't care what you have to say.

00:22:16.880 They, they don't care how, uh, you want to represent yourself.

00:22:20.840 They don't really care about the truth.

00:22:22.420 They just care about their vision of what you had to say.

00:22:26.920 Right.

00:22:27.380 And even if they reach out and disagree with us, you know, but state what we think, and then

00:22:34.180 you can counter it in any way you want, but, uh, at least have that courtesy and journalistic

00:22:39.420 integrity to, uh, find out from the actual source rather than relying on what is obviously

00:22:45.680 a propaganda site, the smog blog.

00:22:48.000 Right.

00:22:49.520 Now, I, we've talked about Naomi.

00:22:53.000 We've talked about the problems of the anxiety.

00:22:55.780 I want to now talk about the solutions that you're sort of bringing forward.

00:23:02.720 You've done a two videos now that are sort of geared towards smaller children.

00:23:07.480 I think they're great.

00:23:09.660 Um, I think my daughter is going to love seeing the little bunny family that she has in her

00:23:15.280 bedroom featured in a video that you have done called, uh, the tiny rabbit family.

00:23:21.220 And you've written a book, you're turning the second video into a book.

00:23:26.340 Um, I couldn't be happier that there's somebody out there who is just giving kids the straight

00:23:34.160 facts about nature, about the environment, um, without any sort of ideology, except an ideology

00:23:41.480 of hope for the future.

00:23:42.760 I think that's great.

00:23:44.380 Well, I think, thank you very much.

00:23:46.640 And that's really, really, you know, kind and, and, uh, supportive, uh, cause we, of

00:23:53.140 course, get a lot of flack most of the time.

00:23:55.280 Uh, but I, you know, the main thing is, uh, for me, I want to help calm people down.

00:24:02.660 First of all, um, I also did a video review of, uh, Margaret Klein Solomon's book, uh, um,

00:24:11.760 what it's taking on the climate emergency.

00:24:14.100 I think it's called anyway, uh, you know, she's the clinical psychologist behind the

00:24:18.480 whole idea of your house is on fire, our house is on fire.

00:24:22.960 Um, uh, so I want to first try and help people calm down and then secondly, offer them just

00:24:30.060 a lighthearted perspective.

00:24:32.200 That's not loaded with facts and not loaded with fear, but just something that opens that

00:24:37.300 door and gives people an opportunity to think, oh yes.

00:24:40.800 You know, and in the tiny rabbit family, we basically have, um, the little boy contemplating

00:24:47.920 how big is the sky.

00:24:49.560 And then he ends up in a kind of a dream sequence going on a tour of the universe with his family

00:24:54.980 or not the universe, the solar system with his family.

00:24:58.260 And they realize how big the sun is, you know, cause lots of people say, oh, the sun isn't

00:25:03.340 a factor in climate change.

00:25:04.840 Well, it's a big factor in climate change and people usually go along with that theme

00:25:11.020 that it's not because they have no idea how big it is in proportion to the earth.

00:25:15.600 It's true that we're very, very far away from the sun, but when you see the scale and ratio,

00:25:21.620 you know, it's really breathtaking.

00:25:23.220 So I'm just trying to set a little bit more context for people, give them, as you say,

00:25:29.060 a little bit of hope and relieve that burden.

00:25:33.200 Um, you know, in, um, a paper that came out a couple of years ago and you and I did an interview

00:25:38.240 about it as well, um, or about a year ago.

00:25:41.000 And it was, uh, by, uh, uh, Wins and Nicholas and they were the people who came up with the

00:25:48.820 grand idea that you could save the planet by having one less child, you know, and then,

00:25:54.660 and going vegan and all this other stuff.

00:25:56.980 Well, you know, actually one of those big container ships puts out the equivalent pollution

00:26:02.500 of like 50 million cars, the equivalent CO2 emissions of 20 million cars.

00:26:08.280 So you going vegan or not having a child is not going to save the planet.

00:26:12.760 Uh, like these big industrial emitters, that's where the challenge is.

00:26:17.260 If you accept the thesis of global warming, and even if not, you should certainly look

00:26:23.320 at the pollution from some of these large emitters.

00:26:26.340 And most of them are not in the Western world.

00:26:29.260 We've really reduced pollution here, um, noxious pollutants, but that's where the challenge

00:26:35.280 is for humankind.

00:26:37.080 And it's something that we can address with technology, but you not having a child or you

00:26:41.720 turning children into a carbon footprint instead of a person, that's not where you're going

00:26:46.500 to save the planet.

00:26:47.820 Um, you know, and it's sick and it really leads to, I think, children starting to think,

00:26:53.700 Hey, you know, A, I should never have been brought into this world.

00:26:56.900 And that's a common theme running through.

00:26:59.100 I listened to an interview on the New Republic by Emily Atkin.

00:27:03.620 And this common theme that I should not bring children into the world in a climate constrained

00:27:08.640 environment.

00:27:09.640 Well, people were thinking that about nuclear warheads back in the sixties.

00:27:12.820 You know, they got over it, but of course that was not pervasive as it is today with

00:27:17.620 climate change.

00:27:19.240 And, you know, in that interview, it's so depressing because they're talking about children as if

00:27:24.080 they're a problem.

00:27:25.340 Um, and the one host is actually saying, well, I, I actually have a child, you know, waiting

00:27:32.840 for these other two who don't have children and aren't going to have them like jump on

00:27:36.960 him and crucify him. 0.87

00:27:38.080 And he says, you know, and Ashley, we'd like to have another child because we don't want

00:27:42.960 our child to grow up alone.

00:27:44.520 Oh my gosh.

00:27:46.580 So, but this is a sickness.

00:27:48.940 This is a terrible thing.

00:27:50.320 Children are a miracle.

00:27:51.940 They're a wonder to raise.

00:27:54.440 Sometimes they're trouble, but you know, most of the time they're just really the grandest,

00:27:59.980 um, uh, experiment that a person could ever be involved in.

00:28:05.180 And it's, it's a miracle that children come into this world.

00:28:08.880 We still are not very clear on how this magically happens.

00:28:12.920 We know the process, but we, you know, we can't control that either.

00:28:17.180 So, uh, it's a terrible, terrible, terrible thing that we're doing to children's psyche.

00:28:24.440 Now, Michelle, can you tell us where people can get your first book?

00:28:29.080 Tell us a little bit about the first book.

00:28:30.920 Um, because I was shocked to learn that you wrote a children's book.

00:28:33.300 You didn't tell me, and, uh, you are turning the, uh, the rabbit family into a book also,

00:28:39.740 but tell us about the, the first book that came up.

00:28:42.740 Uh, the first kid-friendly climate tale book is, uh, about the little hedgehog family.

00:28:48.640 And, uh, basically we just took the video that we did and turned it into a book, but the video

00:28:53.960 is sort of like the little girl hedgehog waking up in the middle of the night in a nightmare,

00:28:59.340 you know, dreaming of all the doom and gloom that Greta has imbued her with.

00:29:05.780 And, uh, mom comes to try and help.

00:29:08.640 Little brother comes running in and he is afraid of Greta too.

00:29:11.660 And then dad shows up and he's like, what's going on?

00:29:14.560 You know, and realizes that these fears have just, um, mushroomed far beyond reality.

00:29:20.180 So he, he, he treats it like the monster under the bed, you know, like I'll show you where,

00:29:26.200 what the climate change monster is and like flips the bed over and there's nothing there.

00:29:30.580 So, you know, it's just a very simple way of trying to say, look, this is way out of proportion.

00:29:37.260 It's just like a bad dream.

00:29:39.160 Come back down to earth and, you know, climate change is real, but it's something that goes

00:29:47.480 on every day and has gone on for 4.5 billion years and will continue to go on.

00:29:52.760 So, uh, we don't have to be alarmed about it.

00:29:56.420 The name of the book and where people can get it?

00:29:58.860 Um, I can't remember the name of the book off the top of my head.

00:30:03.820 I didn't think he'd ask me about it.

00:30:05.800 So people can get it on my Kindle page.

00:30:08.640 Okay, perfect.

00:30:09.780 I'll get, uh, my producer to show a, uh, a page of the book so that people know.

00:30:14.780 So I'm the same way.

00:30:16.500 Don't ask me the byline or not the byline, but the, the, uh, title of the Suzuki book.

00:30:22.920 I, I, I don't know.

00:30:24.600 I'm always struggling to remember, um, what kind of mean thing I said about, uh, David Suzuki.

00:30:31.680 Um, Michelle, how do people support the work that you do at Friends of Science?

00:30:36.120 Because you're not a big operation, um, but you're one of maybe two or three organizations

00:30:42.280 in the entire country doing the kind of work that you're doing.

00:30:46.300 Uh, well, people can become a member.

00:30:48.860 Uh, you can go to our main page and there's a little membership donate button in the corner,

00:30:53.800 or you can donate to us.

00:30:56.020 Um, maybe if you're strapped for cash, that doesn't work for you.

00:30:59.620 So you can share our stuff, um, watch, learn, talk with your family and friends.

00:31:06.020 And, um, you know, overall, I would say we need to calm the climate hysteria down and we

00:31:13.940 need to advocate for sensible, uh, affordable, uh, due diligence on climate and energy policies

00:31:22.300 and, and make sure that, uh, these very large ENGOs are not out of control.

00:31:27.620 I wanted to mention, we just released a report called Dark Clouds of Conflict of Interest.

00:31:33.240 And I don't think people realize that there's a, an amassing of power in the ENGO community

00:31:41.180 that is beyond compare to anything of the electorate or Canadian Taxpayers Federation

00:31:47.580 or any of these little groups that support the oil sands.

00:31:50.540 Um, and they're advocating for a climate accountability law, which we don't need.

00:31:56.100 We have absolutely no need for it.

00:31:57.760 But if it were implemented, it would completely devastate, devastate our economy in Canada.

00:32:04.000 Um, so we've got this new report called Dark Clouds of Conflict of Interest.

00:32:08.420 And if you think the sort of billion dollar, we charity scandal was a problem for taxpayers,

00:32:14.760 you need to look at this and see what kind of billions of dollars they are planning to spend.

00:32:21.820 And, um, uh, you know, part of that, they're, they're advocating for a $210 a ton carbon tax.

00:32:29.560 We're at 30 now.

00:32:30.700 So think what that'll do to your home economy and to this country.

00:32:38.440 Well, Michelle, I want to thank you so much for coming on the show,

00:32:41.060 for being this beacon of calm in a world of climate hysteria.

00:32:45.720 Uh, I wish you the best of luck on the new book, um, whatever that title will be.

00:32:49.680 And we'll have you back on again real soon.

00:32:51.960 Okay.

00:32:52.320 Thanks so much, Sheila.

00:32:53.340 All the best and keep up the good work.

00:32:55.300 I will.

00:32:55.740 Thank you.

00:32:56.060 I like to call what is happening to the world's children, the Greta Thunberg effect.

00:33:08.860 The privileged, hectoring teenage climate activist has told children that not only is their world ending,

00:33:16.420 but if it were to be saved at all, it must be saved by them.

00:33:20.800 That's absolutely crazy.

00:33:22.120 And her voice, it's been amplified by teachers and politicians and especially the media.

00:33:28.240 It's creating a neuroses in a generation of children and everybody involved should be absolutely ashamed of what they've done.

00:33:36.000 Children deserve the facts in a way that they can understand,

00:33:39.300 but they also deserve to be raised with a sense of hope and not fear and hopelessness that the climate activists want them to have.

00:33:47.900 This all so that the climate activists can mobilize these children into an army for change.

00:33:55.080 Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight.

00:33:56.760 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:33:58.360 I'll see everybody back here in the same time, in the same place next week.

00:34:01.840 And remember, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think.

00:34:06.400 I'll see everybody back here in the same time.

Rebel News Podcast - August 13, 2020

Children in fear due to climate change fear mongering： Here's how to help

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