Rebel News Podcast - Chinese embassy, senior Liberals simultaneously push to free Huawei executive

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Today, astonishing moves. 19 senior Canadian lawyers, diplomats, politicians

00:00:06.780 sign a letter to Justin Trudeau asking him to be even more pro-China than he is. What does that

00:00:13.360 mean? How can that be? How can you be more pro-China than he is? Well, they actually come 0.73

00:00:20.220 out and say that he should give in to the blackmail. They use that word, blackmail or extortion,

00:00:25.140 in their letter. I go through the letter, but more importantly than the substance of the letter,

00:00:30.000 I look at the 19 people who signed it, and I ask the question, are they getting paid

00:00:37.120 by China? I'll take you through it in a moment, but first let me invite you to become a subscriber

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00:01:10.480 Tonight, at the exact same time, the Chinese embassy and a bunch of senior liberals make

00:01:31.020 a last push to free the Huawei executive from jail and not extraditer. I think we have a

00:01:36.860 corruption problem, people. It's June 25th, and this is the Edge of the Vance Show.

00:01:43.120 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:46.840 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:50.900 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody

00:01:55.800 right to do so.

00:02:01.640 We've talked with our friend Gordon G. Chang about the new style of Chinese diplomacy

00:02:05.860 that they call Wolf Warrior. It's what it sounds like, basically a decision to stop being bland

00:02:12.220 and diplomatic, the normal way of being, you know, in foreign affairs, and to start being

00:02:17.480 a little bit more like internet trolls, insulting, harassing, going rogue, really. But with the full

00:02:23.300 approval of Beijing, it's named after a hit Chinese movie in which a rogue Chinese soldier

00:02:29.540 becomes a Rambo figure. Here's a short clip from that movie's trailer.

00:02:41.440 Wolf Warrior.

00:02:42.280 Yeah, so Wolf Warrior diplomacy, no more Mr. Nice Guy. I wasn't aware that China ever was

00:02:56.740 Mr. Nice Guy beforehand. I think it's the same China as always, a communist dictatorship. 0.74

00:03:01.980 It just has stopped pretending to be like the rest of the international community.

00:03:05.800 It's embracing its inner Mao Zedong. Here's just an example from today. You could find other examples

00:03:13.260 literally every hour. This is from China's official English language foreign policy propaganda arm

00:03:20.400 called Global Times. This guy is their editor, their top boss, who obviously thinks of himself

00:03:26.320 as a wolf warrior. Which country had committed sin to African people in history? Which country 0.95

00:03:33.600 is more friendly and respectful to Africa today? Which is sincerely supporting development

00:03:37.600 of Africa? African people have their own judgment. They don't need 1.00

00:03:41.460 American white supremacist government to speak for them.

00:03:45.820 Oh, white supremacist government. Imagine saying that.

00:03:50.580 Imagine saying that at all, let alone imagine China

00:03:53.120 saying that. China that has a million Uyghurs in a mass internment camp. 0.89

00:03:57.200 China that invaded Tibet and has an ethnic cleansing project of bringing in millions 0.99

00:04:01.740 of ethnic Chinese people to dilute the Tibetan people in their own country.

00:04:06.400 China that was as part of their wolf warrior BS declared that black people from Africa 0.92

00:04:13.640 were the real source of the virus in China. And so police in China started rounding up blacks.

00:04:20.200 Apartments kicked out black people. Restaurants said no black people allowed.

00:04:24.080 And this was all official. There are apparently a lot of black people living in China,

00:04:28.520 mostly from Africa. I didn't really know that. But the footage of them being rounded up on the

00:04:33.180 streets of China is shocking and ubiquitous. Imagine 0.99

00:04:37.140 saying that the Wuhan virus came from Africa.

00:04:41.120 That's pure racism.

00:04:43.780 But why not? Another wolf warrior claimed

00:04:46.460 it came from the United States military. So yeah, wolf warriors,

00:04:50.220 they all think they're the Chinese Rambo.

00:04:52.480 And here's what the Chinese wolf warriors in Canada look like.

00:04:56.180 China suggests it will free Kovrig and Spavor if Canada allows Huawei executive Meng to return home.

00:05:04.800 Oh, so they're not even pretending those two are anything more than hostages.

00:05:09.520 Pawns and a wolf warrior tit for tat. They're not pretending anymore.

00:05:12.440 Except that Rambo, the real Rambo, and even wolf warrior in the movie,

00:05:16.940 he never took civilians hostage.

00:05:19.880 He's the guy who freed civilian hostages, even the Chinese wolf warrior.

00:05:23.520 The Chinese government says that if Canada

00:05:26.520 sets Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou free,

00:05:30.420 it could affect the fate of two Canadians jailed and charged with espionage by Beijing.

00:05:35.320 China has repeatedly rejected suggestions there is any connection

00:05:38.540 between its detention of former Canadian diplomat Michael Kovrig

00:05:41.800 and entrepreneur Michael Spavor and Canada's arrest of Miss Meng

00:05:45.560 in December 2018 on an extradition request from the United States.

00:05:49.140 On Wednesday, however, a top spokesman for China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs

00:05:53.640 linked the two matters.

00:05:56.320 Imagine thinking the two items weren't linked, even for a second.

00:06:01.000 You'd have to be as stupid as Francois-Philippe Champagne,

00:06:04.620 our pro-Beijing foreign minister.

00:06:07.360 I take that back. He's obviously not stupid.

00:06:10.760 In fact, he's quite successful.

00:06:11.920 He's experienced. He's smart. He's well-traveled.

00:06:14.540 Francois-Philippe Champagne is not stupid at all.

00:06:17.420 Well, he's just hopelessly compromised.

00:06:20.660 He has become a Chinese asset. 0.97

00:06:22.980 I mean, he's been playing for China's team for decades.

00:06:26.120 Imagine being a wealthy business executive in London, England,

00:06:30.040 the financial capital of the world, hundreds of banks.

00:06:33.440 That was Francois-Philippe Champagne.

00:06:35.280 And he chose, of all the banks in London,

00:06:38.360 a Chinese government bank called Bank of China for his London mortgage.

00:06:42.340 That is not normal.

00:06:43.020 That's what you do if you're a Chinese sympathizer or a Chinese asset,

00:06:47.860 or maybe if you live in London and work for the Chinese embassy.

00:06:50.940 No one else does that.

00:06:53.340 He's our foreign minister.

00:06:54.560 Our government is compromised.

00:06:55.960 I haven't shown you this clip in a while.

00:06:57.660 Just a reminder, Justin Trudeau's own brother,

00:07:00.560 Alexandre Trudeau, wrote a pro-China propaganda book

00:07:04.120 that was actually published by the Chinese government

00:07:07.760 called Barbarian Lost Travels in the New China,

00:07:11.480 as in, we Westerners are the barbarians.

00:07:14.100 China's dictatorship is the civilized one. 0.96

00:07:18.520 Trudeau, the brother, had a lot to say about China.

00:07:21.280 He could have published his book with any real publisher in the world, frankly.

00:07:24.540 I mean, someone would have published it.

00:07:26.500 But of all the publishers in the world,

00:07:28.100 just like Francois-Philippe Champagne,

00:07:29.480 of all the banks in the world,

00:07:30.920 he chose to take his mortgage with the Bank of China.

00:07:34.640 Alexandre Trudeau, of all the publishers in the world,

00:07:36.680 he chose to have his book published

00:07:38.160 by the communist part of China, the dictatorship stuff.

00:07:41.100 Who does that?

00:07:43.460 Well, this guy does.

00:07:45.100 The book now, Being a Barbarian in China,

00:07:49.320 in the New China.

00:07:50.400 So why the book and why that title?

00:07:52.560 Well, the book itself,

00:07:55.400 it's sort of an organic phenomenon.

00:07:58.860 The Chinese wanted to write a book 1.00

00:08:00.680 on my father's visit to China,

00:08:03.180 and they asked me to write, this was in 60,

00:08:05.040 and they asked me to write the preface,

00:08:06.940 and the Canadian edition was published in Vancouver.

00:08:09.380 They published it,

00:08:10.500 so they asked me to write a longer preface,

00:08:13.420 and I said, fine,

00:08:14.480 but I would like to go back to China

00:08:16.380 and get into things,

00:08:18.380 rediscover the country.

00:08:19.860 And when I went there,

00:08:20.760 I found I had so many things to say

00:08:22.400 that they said, well,

00:08:23.200 we can't put that in a preface.

00:08:24.300 So we'll put it in a section.

00:08:27.640 And actually, we'd like you to write

00:08:28.960 a full book on it.

00:08:31.280 Well, that was the pretext,

00:08:32.740 but the idea is that China,

00:08:35.100 for someone like me,

00:08:36.480 who was involved in geopolitics

00:08:38.260 for quite a long time,

00:08:39.140 just can't avoid China, 0.99

00:08:41.420 which plays now a very important role.

00:08:45.300 His fake, weird style is so similar

00:08:47.740 to his brother Justin Trudeau's, isn't it?

00:08:49.760 Alexander has crazier eyes, though, doesn't he?

00:08:53.660 So yeah, the Chinese Communist Party

00:08:55.300 has assets deep within the Canadian government.

00:08:58.120 Our foreign minister,

00:08:59.260 the brother of the prime minister,

00:09:00.460 and obviously Justin Trudeau himself.

00:09:02.000 Am I saying they're actually paid by China?

00:09:05.220 Well, no, actually,

00:09:06.140 I think I am saying that.

00:09:08.160 Yeah, I'm saying that.

00:09:09.280 I mean, here's one example.

00:09:10.160 Huawei,

00:09:11.100 the Chinese Communist Party-controlled tech company

00:09:13.820 that's the center of this political battle,

00:09:15.640 they are a huge donor

00:09:17.340 to the Liberal Party's think tank in Canada,

00:09:19.760 called Canada 2020.

00:09:22.320 Huge Chinese donations

00:09:24.600 to the Trudeau Foundation, too.

00:09:26.200 So yeah,

00:09:27.000 they actually are on the payroll,

00:09:28.900 at least in that way.

00:09:29.980 Do you know it's in other ways, too?

00:09:31.360 Look at this guy.

00:09:32.580 You tell me,

00:09:33.160 is this a Chinese-Canadian senator

00:09:34.940 promoting Canada's interests,

00:09:38.020 or is this a Chinese senator in Canada?

00:09:42.100 You tell me whose team he's on.

00:09:43.420 And that's not an ethnic question.

00:09:45.660 It's a question of the insane words

00:09:47.720 this man says.

00:09:49.760 Senator Wu.

00:09:52.060 Thank you, Your Honor.

00:09:53.160 My question for the government representative

00:09:55.780 in the Senate has to do

00:09:57.060 with the lead article

00:09:58.060 in a national newspaper today

00:10:00.100 concerning the views

00:10:01.940 of two learned jurists

00:10:04.900 on the ability of the government

00:10:08.580 and the power of the government

00:10:09.840 to now stop extradition proceedings

00:10:13.780 for Meng Wanzhou

00:10:14.940 should they find that

00:10:16.500 the extradition request

00:10:17.740 was unwarranted

00:10:18.780 and or should they feel

00:10:21.060 that it is in the national interest.

00:10:24.800 Furthermore,

00:10:26.200 the views of these two learned jurists

00:10:28.740 suggest that

00:10:29.680 to take these actions

00:10:30.780 would not be a compromise

00:10:32.400 on the independence of the judiciary,

00:10:34.640 nor would it be outside

00:10:36.420 of the rule of law.

00:10:38.060 In the interest of the two Michaels

00:10:39.640 who have been in detention in China

00:10:41.880 for many, many months now

00:10:43.480 and in the interest

00:10:44.240 of the broader Canada-China relationship,

00:10:47.560 will the government

00:10:48.340 take the opportunity

00:10:49.440 of this fresh interpretation

00:10:51.320 from the two very seasoned

00:10:53.860 scholars and lawyers

00:10:55.400 to have what Professor Rock calls

00:10:58.720 a full debate

00:11:00.680 based on a legitimate foundation

00:11:02.960 of facts

00:11:03.640 rather than an incantation

00:11:05.900 of rubrics

00:11:06.640 such as rule of law,

00:11:09.020 independence of the courts,

00:11:10.720 and sanctity of the judiciary.

00:11:13.000 Trudeau liberal, of course.

00:11:15.220 Which brings me to the newest disgrace

00:11:16.900 in this file.

00:11:17.900 Of course the Chinese embassy

00:11:18.880 is going to behave

00:11:19.620 like they do wolf warriors.

00:11:21.180 How's that working out for you?

00:11:22.420 By the way,

00:11:22.840 that whole wolf warrior thing.

00:11:23.780 Canadians have a more hostile view

00:11:25.420 to China

00:11:25.820 than has ever been recorded

00:11:26.900 by pollsters before.

00:11:27.980 Not just in Canada

00:11:28.740 but people around the world too.

00:11:30.480 There's a huge shift

00:11:31.300 against China

00:11:31.880 in global opinion

00:11:32.760 and in Canadian opinion

00:11:33.800 but not at our elite levels

00:11:36.360 because of money.

00:11:38.620 For God's sakes,

00:11:39.360 Hockey Night in Canada,

00:11:40.480 they sacked Don Cherry

00:11:43.220 as un-Canadian

00:11:44.780 but they take cash from China

00:11:46.800 to run a Huawei ad

00:11:48.020 right on the show.

00:11:49.300 Absolute sellouts, of course,

00:11:50.620 because money.

00:11:51.720 And that's Ron McLean for you.

00:11:53.840 Which brings me to the latest

00:11:55.320 wolf warrior move

00:11:56.540 by a lot of people

00:11:58.780 who care a lot about money.

00:12:01.200 Look at this.

00:12:02.940 A letter to the Prime Minister.

00:12:04.960 Now I write letters

00:12:05.720 to the Prime Minister

00:12:06.260 all the time

00:12:06.780 but the CBC doesn't take my letters

00:12:08.660 and make national news stories

00:12:09.800 out of them.

00:12:11.220 In fairness,

00:12:12.600 I'm not a former Supreme Court judge

00:12:14.400 or a former diplomat.

00:12:16.240 Let me read this story.

00:12:18.020 Former parliamentarians,

00:12:19.540 diplomats,

00:12:20.100 pen letter

00:12:20.700 calling on Canada

00:12:21.540 to release Meng

00:12:22.600 citing a legal opinion

00:12:24.280 signatory say

00:12:25.040 Huawei executive

00:12:25.720 Meng Wanzhou

00:12:26.340 should be released.

00:12:28.120 What?

00:12:28.640 Citing a legal opinion

00:12:29.860 as in they paid

00:12:30.600 some lawyer

00:12:31.120 to write a letter?

00:12:32.420 Did they not miss

00:12:33.340 that Meng actually

00:12:34.260 had a real court hearing

00:12:36.040 in a real court

00:12:37.020 and a real judge

00:12:38.200 heard from both sides

00:12:39.140 including Meng Wanzhou's

00:12:40.280 actual legal team

00:12:42.060 and they heard

00:12:42.940 the real facts

00:12:44.060 unlike just some lawyer

00:12:45.740 hired out of the yellow pages

00:12:46.820 and Meng Wanzhou

00:12:48.980 lost her court case

00:12:49.980 and a neutral

00:12:51.000 non-partisan Canadian judge

00:12:52.320 said Wang Wanzhou

00:12:52.880 committed what

00:12:53.620 on the face of it

00:12:54.480 is an illegal act

00:12:56.240 in Canada

00:12:56.760 and so the extradition process

00:12:58.500 must proceed.

00:12:59.800 Did these 19 signatories

00:13:01.560 miss that?

00:13:03.600 And so these senior

00:13:04.580 very important people

00:13:05.340 are literally writing

00:13:06.100 to Trudeau

00:13:06.620 to tell him

00:13:07.280 to ignore our courts

00:13:08.560 and just make a political decision

00:13:10.260 Chinese Communist Party style.

00:13:12.480 And this is time

00:13:13.220 coincidentally

00:13:13.800 with the Chinese embassy

00:13:14.680 making the same demand

00:13:16.120 like that's just by chance

00:13:18.120 is it?

00:13:18.600 This is a disgraceful letter

00:13:19.820 this is an un-Canadian letter

00:13:21.700 it's the letter

00:13:22.860 of the China lobby

00:13:23.760 of Chinese assets

00:13:25.300 in Canada

00:13:25.860 and the only good thing

00:13:26.920 I can say about it

00:13:27.760 is that the signatories

00:13:28.660 have done us a favor

00:13:29.640 by signing it

00:13:30.880 and thus outing themselves

00:13:32.280 and now we know

00:13:33.180 who the apologists are.

00:13:34.940 These are like people

00:13:35.620 who in the 1930s

00:13:36.600 were defending

00:13:37.180 Adolf Hitler's Germany 0.86

00:13:38.280 and saying that Canada

00:13:39.360 should not beware

00:13:40.740 of Hitler or Germany

00:13:41.740 they're just

00:13:42.260 you know

00:13:42.940 let's see if we can

00:13:43.740 get along with them

00:13:44.440 that's what these people

00:13:45.040 are like.

00:13:46.600 There are a number

00:13:47.180 of things in this letter

00:13:47.920 that are word for word

00:13:48.640 what the Chinese embassy

00:13:49.440 has been saying

00:13:50.020 in fact I wonder

00:13:50.980 how this letter

00:13:51.840 was coordinated

00:13:52.580 was it arranged

00:13:54.380 by the embassy

00:13:54.940 did the embassy

00:13:55.600 suggest it

00:13:56.460 did they write

00:13:57.260 a first draft of it

00:13:58.160 were they shown it

00:13:59.180 in advance

00:13:59.560 I wonder how much

00:14:00.280 the embassy paid for it

00:14:01.840 or more likely

00:14:03.060 how much Huawei

00:14:04.000 itself paid

00:14:04.760 I mean Huawei

00:14:05.740 sloshing money

00:14:06.660 around Canada 2020

00:14:07.880 Hockey Night in Canada

00:14:08.820 whatever

00:14:09.140 do you doubt

00:14:10.040 there's money here

00:14:10.820 let me quote

00:14:11.860 from the letter

00:14:12.380 it seems to us

00:14:14.640 that the Meng Wanzhou

00:14:15.480 extradition proceeding

00:14:16.440 is making it impossible

00:14:17.460 for your government

00:14:18.180 to define and pursue

00:14:19.180 an effective foreign policy

00:14:20.440 towards China

00:14:21.120 what?

00:14:22.620 what?

00:14:23.080 so a legal proceeding

00:14:24.040 in our independent courts

00:14:25.200 where Meng has the best

00:14:26.620 lawyer's money can buy

00:14:27.520 a process that's 100%

00:14:28.740 independent

00:14:29.140 that's making it impossible

00:14:31.080 for Trudeau to govern

00:14:32.400 impossible for him

00:14:34.360 to deal with China 0.76

00:14:34.980 now Trudeau is perfectly

00:14:37.140 capable of being a political

00:14:38.120 failure on his own

00:14:38.840 no need to blame

00:14:39.500 this trial

00:14:40.040 but this letter

00:14:42.360 is written in the reverse

00:14:43.380 like a photographic negative

00:14:45.300 it's China 0.56

00:14:47.860 in fact

00:14:49.580 because of the Meng matter

00:14:51.740 that has turned rogue

00:14:52.500 not Canada

00:14:53.500 China has become 0.99

00:14:55.560 rogue, abusive, hostile

00:14:56.940 and threatening

00:14:57.540 because of the Meng matter

00:14:59.020 it may well be

00:15:00.020 that Trudeau

00:15:00.460 has no idea

00:15:01.120 what to do

00:15:01.740 anyways

00:15:02.300 but it's because

00:15:04.100 of China's

00:15:04.960 erratic reaction

00:15:05.700 not because of

00:15:06.220 a completely normal

00:15:07.040 extradition hearing

00:15:08.200 in a normal court

00:15:08.940 done normally in Canada

00:15:10.020 this list of fancy people

00:15:12.500 basically admitted

00:15:13.340 China is so mean 1.00

00:15:14.700 and such a bully

00:15:15.700 that they will

00:15:16.720 surely continue

00:15:17.500 to abuse

00:15:18.000 the two Canadian hostages

00:15:19.080 so the only thing

00:15:20.220 to do

00:15:20.560 naturally

00:15:21.340 is to cave in

00:15:22.020 to the bully

00:15:22.340 to accept that relationship

00:15:23.780 China's the bully 1.00

00:15:24.980 and we're the country

00:15:25.940 that gets bullied

00:15:26.880 so just give the bully

00:15:28.140 your lunch money

00:15:29.140 and stop resisting

00:15:29.880 imagine someone

00:15:30.860 actually more craven

00:15:32.880 than Justin Trudeau

00:15:33.980 this is real

00:15:34.920 unless the minister

00:15:37.320 acts now

00:15:38.240 the two Michaels

00:15:39.280 face indefinite confinement

00:15:40.760 so that can't change

00:15:43.260 or won't change

00:15:43.980 China's going to do 1.00

00:15:45.220 what it's going to do

00:15:45.920 we can't demand

00:15:47.140 that China change 0.97

00:15:48.120 we can't take any

00:15:48.980 diplomatic or political

00:15:49.780 steps against China

00:15:51.240 we can't kick out

00:15:52.040 their foreign citizens 0.98

00:15:53.020 clogging up our universities

00:15:54.640 we can't send home

00:15:56.000 their diplomats

00:15:56.800 we can't ban Huawei

00:15:57.720 or anything

00:15:58.120 we just have to comply

00:15:59.840 that's the advice

00:16:00.580 that's the smart people

00:16:01.560 but the main thing

00:16:03.400 about this letter

00:16:03.860 signed by all the fancy people

00:16:05.060 is that it deodorizes

00:16:06.700 the threat

00:16:07.300 the extortion

00:16:07.940 from the Wolf Warrior Embassy

00:16:09.080 here you have

00:16:10.540 fancy people saying

00:16:11.480 hey guys

00:16:11.980 sure it's extortion

00:16:13.420 and sure it's bullying

00:16:14.240 and sure it's absolutely

00:16:15.740 outrageous

00:16:16.300 that they're literally

00:16:17.300 holding these two men

00:16:18.220 as hostages

00:16:18.820 and demanding

00:16:19.360 that we violate

00:16:20.400 our own court system

00:16:21.380 just like they do

00:16:22.160 just like they want us to do

00:16:23.460 but you can totally do it

00:16:25.480 because we'll give you

00:16:26.120 moral cover

00:16:26.620 they admit it

00:16:27.640 look at the language

00:16:28.120 they use in their own letter

00:16:29.040 Canada's foreign policy

00:16:31.640 is also being held hostage

00:16:33.240 so they acknowledge

00:16:35.180 the obvious

00:16:35.760 and their solution

00:16:36.440 is total capitulation

00:16:37.840 not only to foreign demands

00:16:39.020 but to undermine

00:16:39.860 our own courts

00:16:40.440 they admit what they're doing

00:16:41.960 quote

00:16:42.360 of course it does not sit well

00:16:44.620 with anyone

00:16:45.240 to yield to bullying

00:16:46.200 or blackmail

00:16:47.220 it's repugnant

00:16:48.400 well it sure seems

00:16:50.400 to sit well with you guys

00:16:51.960 because you're saying

00:16:53.180 to do it

00:16:53.680 because you're important people

00:16:56.020 and we should all listen

00:16:57.300 to you apparently

00:16:58.340 and you guys

00:17:01.000 are absolutely

00:17:01.780 totally 100%

00:17:02.760 definitely not

00:17:03.320 on the Chinese payroll 0.94

00:17:04.160 yourselves

00:17:04.600 I mean how dare I

00:17:05.620 suggest such a thing

00:17:06.380 look at some of the names

00:17:07.360 who signed it

00:17:07.940 this one jumped out

00:17:08.660 Don Newman

00:17:09.160 he's on there

00:17:10.460 he's a former CBC news host

00:17:12.000 gee there's a shocker

00:17:13.520 a CBC journalist

00:17:14.920 saying we should capitulate

00:17:16.160 to communist China

00:17:17.240 but look under his name

00:17:18.900 it's signed

00:17:19.680 journalist

00:17:20.400 broadcaster

00:17:21.240 author

00:17:21.760 and that's all true

00:17:23.020 about Don

00:17:23.780 but hang on

00:17:24.560 look at this

00:17:25.280 Don Newman actually

00:17:27.480 he is on the Chinese payroll 0.85

00:17:28.580 he's the chair

00:17:30.260 of Canada 2020's

00:17:31.320 advisory board

00:17:32.020 they take huge sums

00:17:33.060 of cash from Huawei

00:17:33.960 I already showed you that

00:17:35.000 why didn't Don Newman

00:17:36.600 disclose that

00:17:37.500 hey when Don Newman

00:17:39.000 was still on TV

00:17:40.340 did he also take money

00:17:42.060 on the side back then

00:17:43.220 I wonder

00:17:43.860 and hang on

00:17:45.140 did you know

00:17:45.520 that Don Newman

00:17:46.140 works for a lobbying

00:17:47.720 firm called Navigator

00:17:48.800 at least that's what

00:17:49.360 this website says

00:17:50.300 I tried to contact him

00:17:52.160 through that

00:17:52.800 contact info

00:17:54.140 and it bounced back

00:17:54.840 so maybe he's no longer

00:17:55.840 there

00:17:56.160 does Don Newman

00:17:57.940 does he do any

00:17:59.740 work for Huawei

00:18:01.220 that's what Navigator

00:18:01.980 does they're lobbying

00:18:02.680 for

00:18:02.860 I sent him

00:18:03.980 an email this morning

00:18:05.340 to both his

00:18:06.880 Navigator email address

00:18:07.920 and his Canada 2020

00:18:09.060 address

00:18:09.760 asking him if he works

00:18:10.960 for China

00:18:12.880 if he takes

00:18:13.560 money from China

00:18:14.880 I'll let you know

00:18:15.760 if he answers

00:18:16.160 it's just weird

00:18:17.800 that he doesn't

00:18:18.600 disclose his other

00:18:19.680 identities

00:18:20.800 isn't it weird

00:18:21.400 like Louise Arbour

00:18:22.820 the very first name

00:18:23.540 in the letter

00:18:23.860 she works for the

00:18:24.920 United Nations

00:18:25.500 right now

00:18:26.040 so obviously

00:18:27.280 she's pro-China

00:18:28.000 I wonder why

00:18:28.400 she left that part

00:18:29.040 out of her identity

00:18:29.780 it just says

00:18:31.300 that she's the

00:18:31.740 former president

00:18:32.440 of the International

00:18:33.140 Crisis Group

00:18:33.760 that's the company

00:18:35.940 that Michael Kovrig

00:18:37.620 was working for

00:18:38.280 when he was kidnapped

00:18:39.220 I'm sure she wants

00:18:40.160 him back for many reasons

00:18:41.200 but maybe that

00:18:42.100 personal interest

00:18:43.160 should have been

00:18:43.640 disclosed

00:18:44.080 I get it

00:18:44.680 that company

00:18:45.640 can't get their

00:18:46.120 employee back

00:18:46.660 so they want Trudeau

00:18:47.320 to sell out

00:18:47.840 every Canadian value

00:18:48.800 to get him back

00:18:49.240 I understand

00:18:49.880 I just think

00:18:51.440 it's gross

00:18:51.920 to ask an entire

00:18:52.880 country to debase

00:18:53.860 itself

00:18:54.180 and I think

00:18:54.740 it's especially

00:18:55.200 gross for a former

00:18:56.000 Supreme Court judge

00:18:57.000 to say so

00:18:57.980 next on the list

00:18:59.920 Lloyd Axford

00:19:00.460 and Ed Broadbent

00:19:01.100 a couple of

00:19:01.600 hard left-wing

00:19:02.400 globalists

00:19:02.880 no surprise there

00:19:03.580 but I see

00:19:04.000 a couple of

00:19:04.720 conservatives on the list

00:19:05.720 Derek Burney

00:19:06.380 Lawrence Cannon

00:19:07.400 and they're identified

00:19:08.100 as former diplomats

00:19:09.400 again that is true

00:19:10.560 but is that really

00:19:11.420 the most salient

00:19:13.000 characteristic about

00:19:14.380 them for this letter

00:19:15.300 let me give you

00:19:16.180 an example

00:19:16.740 Derek Burney

00:19:18.240 works for a

00:19:19.500 pro-China

00:19:20.200 think tank

00:19:21.120 and he pumps

00:19:22.560 out extreme

00:19:23.520 pro-China

00:19:24.200 propaganda

00:19:24.820 for them

00:19:25.740 like this

00:19:26.360 why Canada

00:19:27.720 needs a deeper

00:19:28.660 relationship

00:19:29.300 with China

00:19:29.820 and like this

00:19:30.620 why Canada

00:19:32.160 must pursue

00:19:33.240 a trade relationship

00:19:34.180 with China

00:19:34.720 and after more

00:19:36.180 than five years

00:19:36.860 of on and off

00:19:37.500 exploration

00:19:38.020 it is time

00:19:38.660 to take the

00:19:39.200 plunge

00:19:39.720 on a free trade

00:19:40.740 agreement with China

00:19:41.440 could you imagine

00:19:42.300 a free trade deal

00:19:43.180 with China

00:19:43.960 giving them

00:19:44.620 full access

00:19:45.220 to our economy

00:19:45.920 even more than

00:19:46.660 they have now

00:19:47.320 no tariffs

00:19:48.620 nothing like that

00:19:49.240 but for our side

00:19:51.320 none of the legal

00:19:51.980 or property rights

00:19:52.660 or contracts

00:19:53.220 or rights

00:19:53.560 or protection

00:19:54.060 for Canadian companies

00:19:55.500 and our intellectual property

00:19:56.440 imagine just saying

00:19:57.360 hey let's take the plunge

00:19:58.380 with China

00:19:58.880 I mean let's get in bed

00:20:00.220 with China

00:20:00.720 even more deeply

00:20:02.360 than we are

00:20:02.900 what could go wrong

00:20:03.880 yeah

00:20:05.020 maybe that should be

00:20:05.980 disclosed here

00:20:06.580 why was his role

00:20:08.220 as a pro-China lobbyist

00:20:09.560 not mentioned

00:20:10.260 I see E. Forte

00:20:12.180 signed a letter

00:20:12.740 he served on something

00:20:13.760 called the Security

00:20:14.480 Intelligence Review Committee

00:20:15.900 that's the oversight panel

00:20:17.300 that reviews the conduct

00:20:18.440 of our spies

00:20:19.380 so these are the people

00:20:21.380 watching over our spies

00:20:23.420 they oversee CSIS

00:20:25.220 the Canadian Security

00:20:26.520 Intelligence Service

00:20:27.240 so E. Forte

00:20:28.440 was the guy

00:20:29.820 keeping tabs

00:20:30.900 on our

00:20:31.780 on our version

00:20:33.420 of the CIA

00:20:33.880 he signed this letter

00:20:36.640 that terrifies me

00:20:39.380 how can the man

00:20:40.120 who was on an

00:20:40.800 ultra high security

00:20:42.040 top secret

00:20:43.620 committee

00:20:44.620 the committee

00:20:45.960 the committee

00:20:45.980 to review

00:20:46.480 our spies

00:20:47.240 how can a man

00:20:48.420 who watches

00:20:49.040 over the watchman

00:20:49.780 literally the guy

00:20:50.840 we rely on

00:20:51.360 to look over

00:20:51.760 the other guys

00:20:52.340 that we rely on

00:20:53.220 how could he

00:20:55.280 sign a letter

00:20:55.840 admitting that China

00:20:56.660 is blackmailing us

00:20:57.680 and recommending

00:20:59.060 to Trudeau

00:20:59.600 that we give in

00:21:00.360 to the blackmail

00:21:00.940 did he apply

00:21:01.560 that same

00:21:02.200 surrenderist

00:21:03.900 view

00:21:04.980 to his work

00:21:05.720 at the Security

00:21:06.540 Intelligence Review Committee

00:21:07.740 I am terrified

00:21:09.240 to learn that he

00:21:10.200 signed this surrender

00:21:11.220 letter

00:21:11.540 what did he tell

00:21:12.720 CSIS to do

00:21:13.540 all these years

00:21:14.300 I see Claude Lavadeur

00:21:16.400 sign the letter

00:21:17.020 that's the opposite

00:21:18.100 of a surprise

00:21:19.100 he was Jean Chrétien's

00:21:20.080 foreign policy advisor

00:21:21.400 Chrétien left office

00:21:22.660 as prime minister

00:21:23.740 and literally

00:21:24.460 it took only weeks

00:21:26.460 before he announced

00:21:27.820 he was working

00:21:28.660 as a China lobbyist

00:21:29.660 weeks

00:21:29.980 not years

00:21:31.080 or even months

00:21:31.660 obviously it was all planned

00:21:32.920 while he was still

00:21:33.980 the sitting prime minister

00:21:35.380 still making decisions

00:21:36.380 about China

00:21:36.880 corrupt

00:21:37.400 corrupt

00:21:38.100 corrupt

00:21:38.480 but here's my point

00:21:39.540 almost every week

00:21:41.780 there's another headline

00:21:42.560 about someone

00:21:43.200 in the United States

00:21:44.180 secretly taking

00:21:45.480 payments from China

00:21:46.620 to help

00:21:47.500 Chinese interests

00:21:48.860 here's the case

00:21:50.000 of a top scientist

00:21:50.760 at Harvard

00:21:51.300 who pocketed

00:21:52.420 secret cash

00:21:53.180 to help China

00:21:54.000 he's been

00:21:54.620 prosecuted for that

00:21:55.820 in Canada

00:21:58.120 I think we're a bit

00:21:58.740 different

00:21:59.060 we don't make it

00:21:59.780 a secret

00:22:00.300 Huawei and other

00:22:01.400 Chinese companies

00:22:02.040 just pour cash

00:22:03.320 to all our institutions

00:22:04.500 our universities

00:22:05.220 our think tanks

00:22:05.920 our TV shows

00:22:06.840 liberal front groups

00:22:07.640 it's just

00:22:08.500 a fire hose

00:22:09.520 of Chinese money

00:22:10.220 we only know

00:22:11.160 about some of it

00:22:12.080 because most of it

00:22:12.820 is not disclosed

00:22:13.820 real talk

00:22:16.880 for a second

00:22:17.520 how many of these

00:22:20.060 very senior

00:22:20.860 establishment figures

00:22:21.900 who signed this letter

00:22:23.680 have taken cash

00:22:25.580 from China

00:22:26.140 directly

00:22:27.240 or more likely

00:22:28.720 indirectly

00:22:29.360 through a Chinese 1.00

00:22:30.100 front group

00:22:30.780 like Huawei

00:22:32.120 through a grant

00:22:33.300 through a well paid

00:22:34.560 speaking gig

00:22:35.260 through free trips

00:22:36.300 through a sponsorship

00:22:38.100 how many of these

00:22:39.060 19 people

00:22:40.000 any of them

00:22:40.800 well we know

00:22:42.660 that some of them

00:22:43.160 have as I've described

00:22:44.180 so some of them

00:22:46.280 do you think

00:22:47.800 it's most of them

00:22:48.600 do you think

00:22:50.640 it's all of them

00:22:51.300 do you think

00:22:53.340 we'll ever find out

00:22:54.200 maybe CSIS

00:22:56.320 is looking into it

00:22:57.380 huh

00:22:58.300 then again

00:22:59.360 maybe Mr. Forche

00:23:00.240 put a stop to that

00:23:01.180 stay with us

00:23:03.440 for more

00:23:03.780 welcome back

00:23:16.640 well there's

00:23:17.020 some words

00:23:17.960 especially

00:23:18.380 old fashioned words

00:23:20.300 that are out of vogue

00:23:21.860 you used to call a degree

00:23:23.880 a bachelor's degree

00:23:25.800 and then a master's degree

00:23:28.380 and sometimes you would

00:23:29.860 even call someone

00:23:31.000 master

00:23:32.140 as if you're

00:23:33.240 some sort of slave

00:23:35.080 you know

00:23:36.360 even the word

00:23:36.920 seminar

00:23:37.620 well that sounds

00:23:38.920 like seminal

00:23:39.720 which

00:23:40.020 the same root

00:23:41.220 as the word

00:23:41.700 semen

00:23:42.360 oh my god

00:23:43.300 how patriarchal

00:23:44.900 in fact

00:23:46.020 isn't the entire

00:23:47.060 notion of a hierarchy

00:23:48.580 so

00:23:49.060 so racist

00:23:50.600 and I point this out

00:23:51.860 because of a great article

00:23:52.820 by our friend

00:23:53.400 Barbara Cate

00:23:53.820 in the National Post

00:23:54.560 who links so many

00:23:55.980 things together

00:23:56.620 and I've been feeling

00:23:57.740 it too

00:23:58.180 and I'll

00:23:59.160 Barbara's on the line

00:24:00.200 we'll introduce her

00:24:00.860 in one minute

00:24:01.880 but her piece

00:24:03.120 in the post

00:24:03.560 called

00:24:03.860 learn from the best

00:24:04.980 while you can

00:24:05.700 is must read

00:24:06.880 journalism

00:24:08.340 because it links

00:24:09.080 it all together

00:24:09.740 the young authors

00:24:11.260 and staff

00:24:12.300 at J.K. Rowling's

00:24:13.760 publishing house

00:24:14.400 who go on strike

00:24:15.360 because they have

00:24:16.520 an opinion

00:24:16.920 different than hers

00:24:17.760 she's the one

00:24:18.260 who gave them

00:24:18.620 all jobs

00:24:19.340 the young interns

00:24:21.000 some only

00:24:21.720 at the National Post

00:24:22.580 one year

00:24:23.300 demanding that

00:24:24.340 Rex Murphy

00:24:24.900 the greatest writer

00:24:25.560 of the newspaper

00:24:26.100 be run out of town

00:24:27.120 because he's

00:24:28.120 a 73 year old

00:24:29.240 white male

00:24:29.980 so outrageous

00:24:31.540 rather than

00:24:32.680 from learning

00:24:33.400 from the actual

00:24:34.340 masters of the craft

00:24:35.540 they want to topple

00:24:37.120 them like any statue

00:24:38.980 joining us now

00:24:39.620 via Skype

00:24:40.100 from her home

00:24:40.840 in Montreal

00:24:41.300 is our friend

00:24:42.080 Barbara Cate

00:24:43.140 Barbara

00:24:43.320 this is

00:24:43.840 this is a very

00:24:45.280 thoughtful piece

00:24:46.180 it reminds us

00:24:47.940 of what we can learn

00:24:49.300 from the past

00:24:49.920 and maybe people

00:24:50.540 hate that

00:24:51.140 maybe people

00:24:52.160 hate the idea

00:24:52.800 that they have

00:24:53.240 anything to learn

00:24:53.980 that their mom

00:24:55.020 and dad

00:24:55.680 and grandma

00:24:56.220 and grandpa

00:24:56.820 might have had

00:24:57.600 to have dealt

00:24:58.000 with the same

00:24:58.440 things and thought

00:24:59.080 things through

00:24:59.580 that maybe

00:25:00.400 Shakespeare might have

00:25:01.380 had the same

00:25:02.560 considerations we do

00:25:03.680 but could express

00:25:04.380 it and solve

00:25:04.940 that there's anything

00:25:06.240 we don't know

00:25:07.240 maybe that's why

00:25:08.340 people hate learning

00:25:09.360 from masters

00:25:10.460 well I do think

00:25:12.980 that in the last

00:25:14.220 30-40 years

00:25:15.780 the kind of education

00:25:16.920 that a lot of

00:25:18.100 the young people

00:25:18.740 have

00:25:19.360 that are going

00:25:20.500 into these professions

00:25:21.480 publishing

00:25:21.940 and writing

00:25:23.040 and even

00:25:24.180 even the sciences

00:25:25.100 nowadays

00:25:25.620 the education

00:25:27.660 they're getting

00:25:28.120 is telling them

00:25:28.900 that the past

00:25:29.900 everybody was wrong

00:25:32.260 and did bad things

00:25:34.120 and thought bad things

00:25:35.360 and were racists 0.55

00:25:36.200 and were terrible

00:25:36.800 people

00:25:37.200 and they've kind

00:25:39.760 of got the truth

00:25:40.920 so the past

00:25:42.700 is not worthy

00:25:43.580 of respect

00:25:45.260 in any respect

00:25:46.340 because our culture

00:25:47.320 is terrible

00:25:47.880 and it was built

00:25:48.740 on slavery

00:25:49.300 and all of this

00:25:50.240 and the way forward

00:25:52.140 is the way

00:25:53.740 of social justice

00:25:54.960 equity

00:25:55.920 diversity

00:25:56.980 inclusivity

00:25:58.280 and so these young

00:25:59.860 people think

00:26:00.680 you know

00:26:01.140 we're the future

00:26:02.000 everything that came

00:26:03.460 before

00:26:04.000 why should we respect

00:26:05.720 it

00:26:05.900 why should we have

00:26:06.620 any consideration

00:26:07.340 because

00:26:08.200 well

00:26:10.200 that's why we're

00:26:11.060 pulling down statues

00:26:12.040 right

00:26:12.420 we want to eradicate

00:26:14.740 the past

00:26:15.360 because the future

00:26:16.820 is utopia

00:26:17.560 and we have the secret

00:26:19.040 to social perfection

00:26:21.240 so we

00:26:22.880 we have no respect

00:26:24.220 for the past

00:26:24.820 yeah we have secret

00:26:26.060 knowledge now

00:26:26.880 that has been hidden

00:26:27.840 until this moment

00:26:28.720 and our morality

00:26:30.400 is more thoughtful

00:26:31.400 and deeper

00:26:31.820 than any time before us

00:26:33.180 we're better educated

00:26:34.380 than any time before us

00:26:35.620 we see clearly

00:26:36.940 no one else before us

00:26:38.000 ever has

00:26:38.620 and so let's throw out

00:26:40.000 everything from the past

00:26:40.840 especially the stuff

00:26:41.600 we can't understand

00:26:42.680 can I

00:26:43.760 I want to quote

00:26:44.400 from your article

00:26:44.980 oh there's a line

00:26:45.640 in here Barbara 0.97

00:26:46.240 I really like it

00:26:47.120 art

00:26:48.260 acting

00:26:49.620 surgery

00:26:50.420 sports

00:26:51.280 chess

00:26:52.380 if you want to achieve

00:26:53.860 something beyond competence

00:26:55.000 in these domains

00:26:55.600 you must accept

00:26:56.700 subordination

00:26:57.300 to a master

00:26:58.080 obviously that master

00:26:59.280 can be a woman 0.99

00:27:00.080 for most of human history

00:27:01.960 in fact

00:27:02.300 apprenticeship

00:27:02.860 to a master

00:27:03.700 was the only way

00:27:04.800 craftsmanship

00:27:05.460 and scientific knowledge

00:27:06.380 was passed down

00:27:07.120 and the only way

00:27:07.920 excellence could be

00:27:09.100 preserved

00:27:10.180 well

00:27:12.540 and there you see it

00:27:13.860 some of the statues

00:27:15.760 being smashed

00:27:16.500 are so

00:27:17.060 artistically beautiful

00:27:18.860 in themselves

00:27:19.400 compared to the

00:27:20.360 absolute crud

00:27:21.800 that dominates

00:27:23.760 modern art

00:27:25.240 and I'm not knocking

00:27:25.920 all of modern art

00:27:26.820 but like so many things

00:27:28.400 before you tear down

00:27:29.560 the past

00:27:30.080 ought you not

00:27:30.800 to at least be able

00:27:31.620 to understand it

00:27:32.680 and equal it

00:27:33.760 yes I agree with you

00:27:36.940 it's very sad

00:27:38.520 to see this impulse

00:27:40.040 and I do think

00:27:41.880 there's huge symbolism

00:27:43.260 in toppling statues

00:27:45.040 this is a revolutionary

00:27:47.100 the spirit

00:27:48.260 it is

00:27:48.780 that does this

00:27:49.960 is one of revolution

00:27:51.500 and eradication

00:27:53.180 this can be dangerous

00:27:55.440 because

00:27:55.920 this kind of

00:27:57.320 anger

00:27:58.820 and triumph

00:28:00.320 feeds on these acts

00:28:02.900 of desecration

00:28:03.820 it's an act

00:28:04.840 of vandalism

00:28:05.580 and it is

00:28:06.360 a kind

00:28:07.080 it's saying

00:28:07.940 we don't

00:28:09.020 we don't

00:28:09.580 follow prescription

00:28:11.040 we don't follow law

00:28:12.260 and order

00:28:12.800 we

00:28:14.200 we

00:28:14.820 the people

00:28:15.680 take matters

00:28:17.520 into our own hands

00:28:18.820 and we're making

00:28:20.500 a statement here

00:28:21.480 the state

00:28:22.300 the statues

00:28:23.040 are first

00:28:24.300 people

00:28:25.760 are next

00:28:26.720 you know

00:28:27.400 it's

00:28:27.940 to me

00:28:28.440 it's very similar

00:28:29.340 to book burning

00:28:30.160 and nothing good

00:28:31.680 ever comes out

00:28:32.460 of book burning

00:28:33.080 well and that's

00:28:33.860 if you knock down

00:28:34.560 a statue

00:28:35.140 as I said

00:28:36.320 the other day

00:28:36.640 on the show

00:28:37.000 a statue

00:28:37.440 is a symbolic

00:28:38.940 representation

00:28:39.580 of a man

00:28:40.320 with ideas

00:28:41.020 they're not

00:28:41.700 knocking the statues

00:28:42.400 down because

00:28:42.880 they're ugly

00:28:43.420 they're knocking

00:28:44.220 them down

00:28:44.560 because of who

00:28:45.060 they represent

00:28:45.660 but imagine

00:28:46.980 if you would

00:28:47.360 knock down

00:28:47.820 a mere statue

00:28:48.860 which is just

00:28:49.280 an image

00:28:49.980 surely you would

00:28:51.500 want to knock

00:28:52.060 down the words

00:28:53.680 and the books

00:28:54.620 of the person

00:28:56.060 you knock down

00:28:56.800 because that's

00:28:57.500 actually what you

00:28:58.060 hate

00:28:58.400 you don't hate

00:28:59.220 the lump of metal

00:29:00.200 you hate the books

00:29:01.540 and the words

00:29:01.960 so of course

00:29:02.400 you'll burn the books

00:29:03.180 and then finally

00:29:04.040 you'll come to anyone

00:29:04.860 who still animates

00:29:06.220 those ideas

00:29:06.840 they are burning books

00:29:09.020 in a sense

00:29:09.660 Amazon is refusing

00:29:11.740 to publish

00:29:13.240 you know

00:29:14.560 Amazon self

00:29:15.320 is a vehicle

00:29:16.820 for authors

00:29:18.060 that are self

00:29:18.700 publishing their books

00:29:19.640 they're now refusing

00:29:20.820 books

00:29:21.280 that they don't

00:29:22.540 like the ideas in

00:29:24.020 that to me

00:29:25.040 is a form

00:29:25.480 of book burning

00:29:26.140 schools

00:29:27.600 you know

00:29:28.040 high schools

00:29:28.520 won't teach

00:29:29.080 certain books

00:29:29.720 because they have

00:29:30.500 either bad words

00:29:31.300 in them

00:29:31.680 or bad thoughts

00:29:33.100 even if they

00:29:33.740 are written

00:29:35.400 by great authors

00:29:36.520 and that's a form

00:29:38.780 you know

00:29:39.600 I mean

00:29:39.820 it's not actual

00:29:40.580 book burning

00:29:41.520 but it's book banning

00:29:42.900 it's putting

00:29:44.020 it's throwing

00:29:45.760 art

00:29:47.420 or past ideas

00:29:50.080 into the memory hole

00:29:51.640 once you go

00:29:52.580 into the memory hole

00:29:53.520 it's like

00:29:55.300 it didn't happen

00:29:55.980 that's again

00:29:57.700 a revolutionary

00:29:58.540 act

00:29:59.600 that is very chilling

00:30:00.540 when you think

00:30:01.080 about it

00:30:01.520 if you

00:30:02.360 are trying to

00:30:04.040 eradicate

00:30:04.660 your own history

00:30:05.800 I think that's

00:30:08.800 a terrible statement

00:30:09.600 for the next generation

00:30:11.080 can I ask you

00:30:12.240 about the case

00:30:12.840 that you refer to

00:30:13.640 in your story

00:30:14.160 you talk about

00:30:14.760 a Brock University

00:30:15.920 professor named

00:30:16.780 Thomas Hudlicky

00:30:17.860 if I'm pronouncing

00:30:19.060 his name right

00:30:19.760 Hudlicky

00:30:20.280 Hudlicky

00:30:21.460 that's a Hungarian

00:30:23.020 name I take it

00:30:23.740 is that right

00:30:24.120 he's from the

00:30:25.040 Czech Republic

00:30:25.560 Czech Republic

00:30:25.980 thank you

00:30:26.440 sorry

00:30:26.700 so he probably

00:30:29.220 has some

00:30:29.900 old school

00:30:30.700 ideas of academia

00:30:32.640 the very kind

00:30:33.320 of thing we're

00:30:33.720 talking about

00:30:34.260 learning from

00:30:34.960 the best

00:30:35.820 learning from history

00:30:36.400 tell me the trouble

00:30:37.100 he got into

00:30:37.760 simply for using

00:30:39.000 phrases like

00:30:40.140 masters and

00:30:41.280 apprentices

00:30:41.760 everyone knows

00:30:42.500 what those mean

00:30:43.180 but apparently

00:30:43.960 you can't even

00:30:44.440 say that anymore

00:30:45.060 what happened

00:30:45.500 to Thomas Hudlicky

00:30:46.800 well he

00:30:48.080 I should say

00:30:48.780 first of all

00:30:49.280 he is of a

00:30:50.340 certain age

00:30:50.840 he's around

00:30:51.980 the same age

00:30:52.640 I am

00:30:53.280 and so

00:30:55.420 he yes

00:30:56.360 he comes out

00:30:57.920 of a culture

00:30:59.360 Czechoslovakia

00:31:00.980 that's quite

00:31:02.900 old school

00:31:03.640 and he wrote

00:31:05.780 an article

00:31:06.300 it was actually

00:31:07.240 a commentary

00:31:09.080 on an article

00:31:10.300 that had been

00:31:10.800 written 30

00:31:11.260 years ago

00:31:11.740 about the

00:31:12.340 state of

00:31:13.600 the state

00:31:15.560 of his

00:31:16.060 field

00:31:16.900 which was

00:31:17.300 organic chemistry

00:31:18.280 and how

00:31:19.480 was it going

00:31:20.380 forward

00:31:20.960 and what

00:31:22.120 improvements

00:31:22.860 could be made

00:31:23.740 in the

00:31:24.220 transmission

00:31:24.700 of knowledge

00:31:25.520 and just

00:31:26.860 general

00:31:27.680 commentaries

00:31:29.540 on

00:31:29.880 and it was

00:31:30.260 a very much

00:31:30.980 in-house

00:31:31.840 article

00:31:32.800 published in

00:31:33.760 a chemistry

00:31:34.140 magazine

00:31:34.660 and I should

00:31:35.460 also say

00:31:36.040 about

00:31:36.280 Professor

00:31:36.800 Hudlicky

00:31:37.280 is that

00:31:38.640 he was

00:31:39.100 attracted

00:31:39.540 he was

00:31:39.980 recruited

00:31:41.220 by Brock

00:31:41.880 University

00:31:42.400 because of

00:31:43.700 his outstanding

00:31:44.800 research

00:31:46.680 and his

00:31:47.680 acclaim

00:31:48.780 in his field

00:31:49.620 and Brock

00:31:50.100 University

00:31:50.580 is a mid-level

00:31:51.420 university

00:31:52.100 it's not known

00:31:53.680 as a top tier

00:31:55.100 university

00:31:55.660 but attracting

00:31:57.160 this professor

00:31:58.240 was a feather

00:31:59.440 in their cap

00:32:00.040 he's a tier

00:32:00.540 one research

00:32:01.380 professor

00:32:02.620 which means

00:32:03.300 he's very

00:32:04.380 top level

00:32:05.080 so you know

00:32:06.940 the work

00:32:07.360 he's been doing

00:32:07.860 so far

00:32:08.360 they've been

00:32:08.720 very proud

00:32:09.220 of him

00:32:09.480 they boast

00:32:10.020 about him

00:32:10.740 until now

00:32:12.220 anyways

00:32:12.960 he

00:32:13.620 for the

00:32:15.720 30th anniversary

00:32:16.860 of this

00:32:17.520 former

00:32:18.000 professor's

00:32:19.120 article

00:32:19.500 he published

00:32:21.160 a gloss

00:32:21.860 or a commentary

00:32:22.500 on that

00:32:23.460 older article

00:32:24.440 and he said

00:32:25.520 that he's

00:32:25.920 witnessed

00:32:26.260 over the past

00:32:27.000 30 years

00:32:27.640 he's witnessed

00:32:28.620 certain changes

00:32:29.580 in the learning

00:32:31.580 of organic chemistry

00:32:33.100 and one of the

00:32:33.720 things that he

00:32:34.280 mentioned

00:32:34.600 was the fact

00:32:35.440 that graduate

00:32:36.640 students

00:32:37.160 are not working

00:32:38.320 as hard

00:32:39.120 as they used to

00:32:40.000 and they're not

00:32:40.540 working under

00:32:41.680 the direction

00:32:42.540 of a master

00:32:45.240 and he used

00:32:46.340 the word

00:32:46.820 in a totally

00:32:47.940 academic

00:32:49.060 way

00:32:51.320 it's not like

00:32:51.820 a slave master

00:32:53.420 no

00:32:54.020 you know

00:32:54.460 you take a word

00:32:55.660 that has several

00:32:56.400 different meanings

00:32:57.260 and because

00:32:58.660 one meaning

00:33:01.080 of the word

00:33:01.520 master

00:33:01.980 was

00:33:02.520 you know

00:33:03.100 applies to

00:33:04.240 race relations

00:33:06.220 and slavery

00:33:07.160 it's like

00:33:07.560 masterpiece

00:33:08.240 or my master

00:33:09.460 craft

00:33:10.120 are you going

00:33:10.900 to ban

00:33:11.660 all these words

00:33:12.240 as a matter

00:33:12.640 of fact

00:33:12.900 a friend

00:33:13.220 of mine

00:33:13.520 told me

00:33:14.020 that at

00:33:14.700 his company

00:33:15.520 they're no longer

00:33:16.600 going to use

00:33:17.220 the phrase

00:33:17.840 master files

00:33:19.300 because it's

00:33:20.920 offensive

00:33:21.460 to minority

00:33:23.320 groups

00:33:23.640 or look at

00:33:24.160 Massey College

00:33:24.960 they used

00:33:25.960 to call

00:33:26.320 the head

00:33:28.300 of the

00:33:28.540 college

00:33:28.960 the master

00:33:30.760 of the

00:33:31.460 college

00:33:31.860 and now

00:33:32.760 he's called

00:33:33.400 what

00:33:33.660 the director

00:33:34.240 or the principal

00:33:34.820 or something

00:33:35.320 else

00:33:35.600 but the word

00:33:37.320 master

00:33:37.720 itself

00:33:38.120 has now

00:33:38.720 kind of

00:33:39.320 got this

00:33:39.740 negative

00:33:40.120 aura

00:33:40.560 around it

00:33:41.120 and poor

00:33:41.800 professor

00:33:42.360 Hudliski

00:33:43.380 has no idea

00:33:44.820 about any

00:33:45.380 of that

00:33:45.720 because he's

00:33:46.300 not political

00:33:47.020 at all

00:33:47.620 so he used

00:33:49.060 this phrase

00:33:49.840 the master

00:33:51.040 apprentice

00:33:51.880 relationship

00:33:52.980 is dying

00:33:54.960 out

00:33:55.340 that's not

00:33:56.080 good

00:33:56.460 the only way

00:33:57.520 to pass

00:33:57.980 along

00:33:58.360 true excellence

00:33:59.220 is to have

00:34:01.240 the graduate

00:34:03.120 students

00:34:03.640 immerse

00:34:04.100 themselves

00:34:04.600 in this

00:34:05.320 relationship

00:34:06.060 of master

00:34:06.740 students

00:34:07.060 I mean

00:34:07.500 so he used

00:34:08.240 this word

00:34:08.620 a few times

00:34:09.300 and everybody

00:34:10.420 went apoplectic

00:34:11.380 the chemistry

00:34:12.060 journal

00:34:12.560 withdrew

00:34:13.380 the article

00:34:14.120 the provost

00:34:15.740 of the university

00:34:16.400 wrote an open

00:34:17.180 letter

00:34:17.540 saying oh my

00:34:18.160 goodness

00:34:18.400 so distressing

00:34:19.160 so offensive

00:34:20.400 so harmful

00:34:21.080 so this

00:34:21.440 the graduate

00:34:22.060 there was a

00:34:23.040 graduate student

00:34:23.820 group that

00:34:24.380 got together

00:34:24.900 and they

00:34:25.320 published an

00:34:25.900 open letter

00:34:26.320 saying oh

00:34:27.380 this appalling

00:34:28.360 rant

00:34:28.960 you know

00:34:29.420 you'd think

00:34:30.720 that he would

00:34:31.820 had such

00:34:32.540 I don't know

00:34:33.300 you'd think

00:34:34.180 that he was

00:34:34.660 a war criminal

00:34:35.860 from the way

00:34:36.440 they talked

00:34:36.900 about him

00:34:37.360 and he was

00:34:38.320 shell-shocked

00:34:39.300 he had no

00:34:39.980 idea

00:34:40.520 what he had

00:34:41.740 done wrong

00:34:42.360 so

00:34:43.620 they're the

00:34:44.180 mad ones

00:34:44.820 not him

00:34:45.380 you know

00:34:46.560 I was reading

00:34:47.200 your article

00:34:47.560 you mentioned

00:34:48.240 that your son

00:34:48.960 Jonathan K

00:34:49.720 when the

00:34:51.000 National Post

00:34:51.600 started some

00:34:52.240 20 years ago

00:34:53.080 was part of

00:34:54.440 a group of

00:34:54.840 young writers

00:34:56.440 who had a

00:34:57.600 master writer

00:34:59.180 John O'Sullivan

00:35:00.860 former speech

00:35:01.440 writer for

00:35:01.800 Margaret Thatcher

00:35:02.480 I think he was

00:35:03.520 with the Daily

00:35:04.080 Telegraph

00:35:04.860 in the UK

00:35:05.700 brilliant man

00:35:08.460 well I was

00:35:09.260 I sat next

00:35:11.400 to John

00:35:11.880 your son

00:35:12.520 in the editorial

00:35:13.980 board

00:35:14.380 and we would

00:35:15.180 it was a bunch

00:35:16.040 I was 27

00:35:16.880 at the time

00:35:17.660 we were all

00:35:18.800 young

00:35:19.180 we all thought

00:35:19.760 we were so

00:35:20.300 smart

00:35:20.760 we were all

00:35:21.660 just out of

00:35:22.180 college

00:35:22.500 oh we were

00:35:23.220 smart

00:35:23.760 and we would

00:35:25.600 go and

00:35:26.340 John would

00:35:26.760 start talking

00:35:27.380 we all realized

00:35:28.220 okay time for

00:35:29.640 I mean can I

00:35:30.140 tell you an

00:35:30.460 anecdote about

00:35:31.020 you mentioned

00:35:31.800 that that was

00:35:32.360 the master

00:35:32.800 apprentice

00:35:33.200 relationship

00:35:33.900 it's absolutely

00:35:34.520 right I would

00:35:35.260 submit my

00:35:35.940 editorials

00:35:36.660 and I'm sure

00:35:37.660 your son

00:35:38.300 Jonathan did

00:35:38.920 the same

00:35:39.200 thing

00:35:39.480 and then I

00:35:40.480 would go into

00:35:41.340 John O'Sullivan's

00:35:42.160 office and ask

00:35:42.840 to stand

00:35:43.320 behind him

00:35:44.060 as he went

00:35:45.700 line by line

00:35:46.400 and he would

00:35:46.840 explain the

00:35:48.020 edits you're

00:35:48.720 doing

00:35:48.920 oh you're

00:35:49.620 over egging

00:35:50.180 the pudding

00:35:50.540 too much

00:35:50.940 here

00:35:51.180 you put

00:35:51.860 this

00:35:52.100 too much

00:35:53.540 of this

00:35:53.880 you're

00:35:54.080 overusing

00:35:54.540 this word

00:35:54.960 like

00:35:55.160 and you

00:35:55.800 would

00:35:55.940 he would

00:35:56.600 explain

00:35:57.060 every

00:35:57.780 jot

00:35:58.740 and tittle

00:35:59.340 every

00:35:59.860 change he

00:36:01.440 made

00:36:01.840 so you

00:36:02.440 didn't just

00:36:02.860 submit your

00:36:03.460 work and

00:36:03.840 get it

00:36:04.080 back edited

00:36:04.640 he would

00:36:05.520 give you

00:36:05.880 a live

00:36:06.480 commentary

00:36:07.260 as he

00:36:08.660 edited

00:36:09.020 your work

00:36:09.680 and of course

00:36:10.460 it was better

00:36:10.960 every time

00:36:11.420 this is one

00:36:11.900 of the world's

00:36:12.360 great

00:36:12.580 writers

00:36:12.920 and editors

00:36:13.880 and imagine

00:36:15.160 the arrogance

00:36:15.940 of any

00:36:16.480 twenty something

00:36:17.360 who thinks

00:36:18.320 they're a better

00:36:18.780 writer

00:36:19.040 and I have

00:36:19.360 one more

00:36:19.700 anecdote

00:36:20.120 to tell you

00:36:20.680 so it was

00:36:21.540 the anniversary

00:36:22.080 of a terrorist

00:36:22.860 attack

00:36:23.380 in the UK

00:36:24.460 and all of us

00:36:25.560 had such strong

00:36:26.380 things to say

00:36:27.000 oh I have

00:36:27.680 something to say

00:36:28.360 and I mean

00:36:29.500 I was very

00:36:30.060 certain I had

00:36:30.660 the smartest

00:36:31.060 thing to say

00:36:31.600 and John

00:36:33.280 just said

00:36:33.800 oh I remember

00:36:35.320 it like it

00:36:35.740 was yesterday

00:36:36.320 it was the

00:36:37.260 most exciting

00:36:37.800 night of my

00:36:39.180 life

00:36:39.560 and then he

00:36:40.620 explained what

00:36:41.200 happened

00:36:41.700 how the

00:36:42.760 explosion

00:36:43.180 happened

00:36:43.700 and he

00:36:44.480 was there

00:36:45.880 and that

00:36:46.880 I mean that's

00:36:47.600 not a writing

00:36:48.160 anecdote

00:36:48.560 that's like

00:36:49.060 imagine the

00:36:49.900 hubris of us

00:36:50.580 twenty somethings

00:36:52.360 who would dare

00:36:53.760 to think that we

00:36:54.620 knew more than

00:36:55.280 this master

00:36:56.080 about a terrorist

00:36:57.740 attack in London

00:36:58.420 when he was

00:36:59.360 there

00:36:59.620 it was the

00:37:00.120 assassination

00:37:01.160 attempt on

00:37:01.880 Margaret Thatcher

00:37:02.580 I think in

00:37:03.160 Brighton or

00:37:04.000 something

00:37:04.460 well I have

00:37:06.000 to say that

00:37:06.580 I'm so

00:37:07.900 totally envious

00:37:08.840 of you

00:37:09.620 Ezra and

00:37:11.060 my son and

00:37:11.760 that whole

00:37:12.340 editorial board

00:37:13.140 because when I

00:37:14.040 started writing

00:37:15.260 for the National

00:37:16.260 Post and I

00:37:17.020 would you know

00:37:17.920 write what I

00:37:18.560 thought was

00:37:19.040 I mean I

00:37:20.320 didn't I

00:37:20.800 wasn't sure

00:37:21.580 anytime I

00:37:22.720 handed something

00:37:23.240 in if it was

00:37:23.740 good or not

00:37:24.400 good it was

00:37:25.180 very haphazard

00:37:26.160 and every time

00:37:27.080 I wrote

00:37:27.480 something I

00:37:28.800 sweat bullets

00:37:29.660 over it and

00:37:30.340 I did like

00:37:31.140 ten revisions

00:37:32.020 and I would

00:37:33.760 have killed

00:37:34.460 to have

00:37:35.740 I mean if I

00:37:36.380 could have had

00:37:36.920 a John O'Sullivan

00:37:37.760 standing over my

00:37:38.540 shoulder saying

00:37:39.020 no no no no

00:37:39.720 no no you see

00:37:40.600 that paragraph

00:37:41.140 there I mean

00:37:42.100 it would have

00:37:42.880 been so golden

00:37:43.960 as an opportunity

00:37:45.260 and I'm

00:37:47.480 jealous I'm

00:37:48.140 envious and

00:37:48.660 when I think

00:37:49.480 of these young

00:37:51.000 wet behind the 0.84

00:37:52.340 ears students

00:37:54.560 that kids that

00:37:55.320 just came out

00:37:55.940 of you know

00:37:56.920 English lit or

00:37:58.240 whatever they

00:37:58.660 came out of

00:37:59.220 and they're

00:37:59.880 writing they're

00:38:00.620 at the New

00:38:01.020 York Times or

00:38:01.860 there at these

00:38:02.400 they should

00:38:03.120 they should be

00:38:04.040 on their knees

00:38:04.720 with gratitude

00:38:05.440 first of all

00:38:06.700 to have a job

00:38:07.300 in journalism

00:38:07.820 because a paying

00:38:08.700 job in journalism

00:38:09.500 nowadays they're

00:38:10.900 just not that

00:38:11.560 frequent that you

00:38:12.480 get them but

00:38:13.380 they should be

00:38:14.440 looking at their

00:38:15.240 editors with

00:38:16.760 reverence or at

00:38:18.120 least with respect

00:38:19.080 or they should

00:38:21.620 be thinking what

00:38:22.340 can this person

00:38:22.960 teach me and

00:38:24.060 if they don't

00:38:24.620 like something

00:38:25.200 that this editor

00:38:26.420 does they should

00:38:28.260 say to themselves

00:38:29.080 well I didn't

00:38:30.880 I didn't like

00:38:31.660 that but if I

00:38:33.200 didn't if I

00:38:33.980 don't like it

00:38:34.460 that much if

00:38:35.000 it's that's so

00:38:35.700 offensive to me

00:38:36.560 I can quit

00:38:37.780 you know it's

00:38:39.240 funny to say

00:38:39.780 that because in

00:38:40.460 your piece you

00:38:41.020 use the word

00:38:41.400 master and I

00:38:42.040 just told you

00:38:42.500 before we went

00:38:43.040 on air and

00:38:43.520 I'm not embarrassed

00:38:44.900 to say it at

00:38:46.160 the National Post

00:38:47.160 I irritated those

00:38:49.040 around me by

00:38:49.580 actually calling

00:38:50.660 John master

00:38:53.100 I know that's

00:38:53.900 I'd say master

00:38:54.820 master and I

00:38:56.820 I know that

00:38:57.140 sounds so nerdy

00:38:58.860 and dumb but I

00:39:00.180 swear that's how

00:39:01.000 I felt like

00:39:03.380 whatever he said

00:39:04.520 I knew in

00:39:05.160 advance was right

00:39:06.120 and if I if I

00:39:07.720 had a different

00:39:08.120 opinion I knew in

00:39:08.800 advance I was

00:39:09.420 wrong when you

00:39:11.280 when you submit

00:39:12.280 like that what

00:39:14.560 else do you call

00:39:15.120 someone but

00:39:15.580 master you don't

00:39:16.200 call him John

00:39:16.940 who the hell am I

00:39:18.080 to call him John

00:39:18.880 and I'm I am

00:39:21.040 like I've had three

00:39:21.840 great masters in my

00:39:22.860 life and I'll tell

00:39:23.400 you this I worked

00:39:24.960 for Preston Manning

00:39:26.060 when I was a

00:39:26.820 very young man

00:39:27.660 and now I feel

00:39:30.120 like in some ways

00:39:30.840 I've exceeded his

00:39:31.700 politics so I no

00:39:33.900 longer would call

00:39:34.660 him a master but

00:39:36.380 for the two years

00:39:37.140 I worked for him

00:39:37.840 I learned every

00:39:38.980 single day from

00:39:39.840 him and Mike

00:39:41.320 Walker of the

00:39:42.700 Fraser Institute

00:39:43.540 I learned when I

00:39:44.860 worked at the

00:39:45.300 Fraser Institute

00:39:45.940 every word he

00:39:46.800 said was so

00:39:48.420 obviously an

00:39:49.580 education he was

00:39:50.500 a PhD in

00:39:51.460 economics and I

00:39:52.780 was extremely lucky

00:39:53.720 to have time with

00:39:54.660 him and the

00:39:54.940 then my time with

00:39:56.100 John O'Sullivan

00:39:56.680 and I regard

00:39:57.320 myself lucky and

00:39:58.180 if in any of

00:39:59.480 those instances

00:40:00.140 something would

00:40:00.760 have been so

00:40:01.160 offensive to me

00:40:01.860 that I just

00:40:02.780 couldn't swallow

00:40:03.480 and say he's

00:40:04.300 right I'm wrong

00:40:05.000 then I should

00:40:06.220 not be there

00:40:07.020 exactly I should

00:40:08.220 not be and

00:40:08.700 imagine the

00:40:09.460 chutzpah of me

00:40:10.240 in any of those

00:40:10.860 instances a

00:40:11.840 27 year old

00:40:12.840 writer a you

00:40:15.180 know 22 year old

00:40:16.720 intern at the

00:40:17.420 Fraser Institute

00:40:18.120 or when I

00:40:20.400 worked for

00:40:20.720 Preston I mean

00:40:21.340 imagine the

00:40:22.020 chutzpah of a

00:40:22.540 27 year old

00:40:23.340 right out of

00:40:23.780 school saying no

00:40:24.580 I know better

00:40:25.540 how to write

00:40:26.420 than you John

00:40:27.240 I know better

00:40:27.920 about history

00:40:28.600 than you but

00:40:29.400 that's exactly

00:40:30.200 the mob that

00:40:31.440 went after Rex

00:40:32.080 Murphy the mob

00:40:33.120 that's going after

00:40:33.680 this Tomas

00:40:34.280 Hadlisky the

00:40:35.200 mob that's going

00:40:35.720 after J.K.

00:40:36.460 Rowling J.K.

00:40:37.360 Rowling made all

00:40:38.960 those junior

00:40:39.660 editors and

00:40:40.280 writers and they

00:40:41.420 have the chutzpah

00:40:42.280 to try and take

00:40:43.240 her down they 0.96

00:40:44.240 should quit the

00:40:46.580 idea that it would

00:40:47.340 run their master

00:40:48.320 out of town their

00:40:49.040 mistress is outrageous 1.00

00:40:50.180 but they should

00:40:51.380 but the thing is

00:40:52.160 that they you

00:40:52.960 know it's not

00:40:53.460 like they're

00:40:53.900 saying oh we

00:40:55.580 we know your

00:40:56.820 craft better like

00:40:58.920 it's not it's not

00:40:59.600 like they're saying

00:41:00.160 oh we know how to

00:41:00.980 edit better than

00:41:01.860 you what they're

00:41:02.500 saying is your

00:41:04.040 values are wrong

00:41:05.780 and we're they're

00:41:07.840 the morality police

00:41:08.940 right

00:41:09.180 that's such a good

00:41:11.120 point that's such a

00:41:12.460 good point they're

00:41:12.760 not even arguing that

00:41:13.700 they're better they

00:41:14.120 don't even they don't

00:41:14.900 even have that

00:41:15.540 arrogance yet they're

00:41:16.360 not saying I'm a

00:41:17.600 better creative

00:41:18.880 fiction writer than

00:41:19.740 you J.K. Rowling

00:41:20.520 I'm a better chemist

00:41:21.740 than you Tomas

00:41:22.580 Hadisky they're not

00:41:23.820 they're not saying

00:41:24.660 that they have a

00:41:25.220 better command of

00:41:26.720 the English language

00:41:27.780 than Rex Murphy who

00:41:28.920 happens to be an

00:41:29.580 editor of a dictionary

00:41:30.460 for heaven's sake

00:41:31.240 they're just saying

00:41:32.180 you're Squaresville

00:41:34.160 dude you're an old 0.89

00:41:35.700 uh Czech chemist 0.97

00:41:37.800 who dresses like

00:41:39.500 you're still in the

00:41:40.300 70s in the eastern

00:41:41.780 block what do you

00:41:42.580 know you're you're

00:41:43.300 unfashionable oh it's

00:41:44.580 not your clothes it's

00:41:45.960 the fact that you

00:41:46.560 used the word

00:41:47.080 master oh J.K. Rowling

00:41:48.620 gay icon feminist

00:41:50.820 icon well you're not

00:41:51.680 trans friendly so

00:41:53.180 you're yesterday's

00:41:54.020 news that's that's

00:41:55.500 what's so gross it's

00:41:56.540 it's the attack on

00:41:58.720 Rex Murphy by those

00:42:00.220 20 somethings was

00:42:01.140 purely personal

00:42:02.060 yeah I'm they're

00:42:03.980 saying I look I'm

00:42:05.420 I'm your moral

00:42:06.240 superior and I'm and

00:42:08.060 I'm telling you that

00:42:09.060 you are a sinner you 1.00

00:42:10.500 sinned and you need

00:42:12.340 to uh you need to be

00:42:14.040 punished for that sin

00:42:15.520 uh and they actually

00:42:17.360 believe that an

00:42:18.900 editor who's been

00:42:19.700 there for 20 years

00:42:21.000 and done a great

00:42:21.800 job uh if they if

00:42:23.920 they make that one

00:42:24.680 mistake in a headline

00:42:26.140 like in the

00:42:26.640 Philadelphia Inquirer

00:42:27.840 that editor that put

00:42:29.000 in the headline

00:42:29.620 buildings matter too

00:42:31.100 because he was

00:42:31.580 talking about how

00:42:32.500 buildings were being

00:42:34.000 defected and and

00:42:35.300 he had to leave but

00:42:37.420 they thought that was

00:42:38.260 okay because you know

00:42:39.840 if you sin um you've

00:42:42.920 got to be punished

00:42:43.580 and uh when you feel

00:42:46.300 that way that's that's

00:42:47.620 a religious that's a 0.95

00:42:48.920 very harsh religion 0.99

00:42:50.540 you know it's like the

00:42:51.580 scarlet a you've got to

00:42:53.920 wear it you've got to

00:42:54.680 wear it and you've got

00:42:55.460 to not be in polite

00:42:56.800 society anymore you've

00:42:58.040 got to be shunned uh

00:42:59.620 because you you've

00:43:01.720 transgressed you've

00:43:03.300 transgressed this this is

00:43:04.440 a tough crowd all these

00:43:06.540 wokesters who watched

00:43:07.660 the handmaid's tale uh

00:43:09.860 they pretended to be

00:43:10.960 sympathizing with the

00:43:12.260 women I think they 1.00

00:43:13.660 were actually learning

00:43:14.400 lessons about the

00:43:15.540 oppressive uh theocracy

00:43:17.500 they're the ones

00:43:18.260 shouting shame shame

00:43:19.880 aren't they they they

00:43:21.360 they pretend they're

00:43:23.000 with the women they're 0.99

00:43:23.760 on the other side of

00:43:24.520 that I didn't watch

00:43:25.120 much of that well

00:43:26.240 Barbara what a pleasure

00:43:26.940 to talk to you what an

00:43:27.660 interesting thing don't

00:43:28.700 mind me for telling you

00:43:29.620 my personal stories it's

00:43:30.980 just when you mentioned

00:43:31.720 how John your son felt

00:43:34.000 about John O'Sullivan I

00:43:35.200 felt the same way in

00:43:36.140 fact I was a bit

00:43:36.760 ridiculous about it but

00:43:37.640 I want I I sort of

00:43:39.500 yearned for that

00:43:40.740 apprenticeship under a

00:43:43.800 grandmaster that's

00:43:44.620 exactly how I felt and

00:43:46.600 there's not many of

00:43:47.360 those people around and

00:43:49.120 I and I knew that I was

00:43:50.500 in a special time and

00:43:51.500 place and I had one and

00:43:53.220 I'm lucky in my life I've

00:43:54.280 had three great masters

00:43:56.120 even if I no longer keep

00:43:57.780 in touch with them or

00:43:58.580 even no longer agree with

00:43:59.740 them how can I deny that

00:44:01.400 each of those three formed

00:44:02.500 me in important ways in

00:44:03.820 politics and economics and

00:44:05.320 in writing I'm glad you

00:44:07.080 shared those anecdotes and

00:44:08.320 I think they make I think

00:44:11.620 they make my column come

00:44:13.480 alive in a way and and it

00:44:15.780 also speaks to the fact that

00:44:17.320 you and my son's generate

00:44:19.200 your your whole generation

00:44:20.580 you're the last ones to have

00:44:23.820 that sense of hierarchy and

00:44:28.540 and reverence for your craft you

00:44:30.940 want to be good at what you're

00:44:31.900 doing and and willing to have

00:44:36.240 that that it passed down to

00:44:38.680 you the idea of of

00:44:40.000 intergenerational transference

00:44:41.680 is a beautiful thing but I

00:44:43.480 think you're the last

00:44:44.180 generation to feel that way and

00:44:46.500 that's a very sad thing to me

00:44:48.100 that is very sad hopefully there

00:44:49.920 are others Barbara great to see

00:44:52.040 you again thank you for being

00:44:52.900 here my friend thanks Ezra all

00:44:55.100 right there you have a Barbara Kay

00:44:56.440 columnist at the Post Millennial

00:44:57.860 and at the National Post among

00:44:59.600 other places she joined us via

00:45:01.720 Montreal stay with us more

00:45:03.000 ahead

00:45:03.280 hey welcome back our show last

00:45:16.200 night John writes longtime member

00:45:19.040 and support is on the way to

00:45:20.420 protect our rebel army so proud of

00:45:21.740 the rebel team keep fighting for

00:45:23.160 freedom thank you for that I had

00:45:25.740 hoped to have the big big video

00:45:27.840 for you tonight of our huge visit

00:45:30.420 to City Hall yesterday where we

00:45:31.920 had seven bodyguards a lawyer five

00:45:34.740 cameras etc but the lads who are

00:45:37.200 editing said Ezra we need a little

00:45:39.780 more time to make it perfect and I

00:45:41.280 said this is so important there's so

00:45:43.800 you know what they have five cameras

00:45:45.360 worth of video even I took some

00:45:47.340 footage on my phone so just imagine

00:45:49.680 you got five different viewpoints

00:45:52.080 five different storylines we've

00:45:53.700 broken into they're putting

00:45:55.140 together masterfully I've seen a

00:45:57.060 little bit of it in fact let me

00:45:58.560 show you just a little taste can I

00:46:00.360 show you a little taste I wanted to

00:46:02.580 have the whole video for you tonight

00:46:03.720 but I think you'll agree with me we

00:46:06.360 need to give this a little time to

00:46:07.500 make it perfect you'll see it

00:46:08.460 tomorrow but take a look at this

00:46:09.900 teaser

00:46:12.900 come on let's go let's go 0.89

00:46:15.900 hold up

00:46:25.520 no

00:46:25.740 yeah

00:46:25.920 I swear to god

00:46:30.440 smoke I swear to God come on man

00:46:44.960 The purpose, as I mentioned earlier today, is to do journalism.

00:46:58.900 We're not there to protest, but we're just going to be so compliant with the law

00:47:02.240 that we're going to force the government to reveal itself.

00:47:06.760 Are they really just trying to get rid of us because they don't like the cut of our gin?

00:47:10.380 If so, that's illegal, that's unconstitutional.

00:47:12.820 That's why it's so critical that we're not engaging in any such conduct.

00:47:17.300 Now, not that I would expect that, but it is really important that we're not rioters,

00:47:20.400 we're not boisterous, we're not annoying, whatever that means.

00:47:23.860 And so we want to do that because that is what the government is going to be relying on.

00:47:28.280 They're going to say they had every right, based on this bylaw, to eject,

00:47:32.680 and it was a reasonable limit on our free expression right.

00:47:38.320 All right, let's go downtown.

00:47:39.500 Aaron is coming with all sorts of legal precedents in hand,

00:47:45.980 just in case, not if the protesters attack us, but if City Hall attacks us in real time.

00:47:51.960 We're going to meet our security detail at Old City Hall,

00:47:55.300 then we'll walk across the street, and hopefully we'll be done in half an hour.

00:47:59.980 Hopefully it'll be uneventful.

00:48:01.100 But if the city and the police have other plans, we're as ready as we can be.

00:48:07.780 The police cannot arrest you or take any action against you

00:48:12.660 unless they have reasonable and probable grounds that someone is in the commission or has committed an offense.

00:48:20.700 So as long as no offense has been committed, then in essence, a detention or an arrest is unlawful.

00:48:32.040 Even how about a touching?

00:48:33.440 Like if they touch you and pull you up?

00:48:36.140 Unlawful.

00:48:36.620 If you try to make us the problem that we're not, we will hold your conduct to great scrutiny.

00:48:45.080 So I don't want to come across as threatening to the police,

00:48:47.780 but what happened yesterday when our people were driven out of the public square by the police

00:48:53.640 will never happen again on my watch with this company.

00:48:57.060 We're here to assert not only our right as citizens,

00:49:08.980 but we have a specific law called Section 2B of the Charter.

00:49:13.640 What we're doing today is sort of like a symbolic march.

00:49:16.880 We're going to go there.

00:49:18.420 David's going to try and do journalism.

00:49:21.460 Ideally, we're done in half an hour because nothing happened.

00:49:24.700 It's not even that interesting a story.

00:49:26.460 It's a bunch of tents.

00:49:31.860 All right.

00:49:32.400 Well, I got my pass.

00:49:33.780 That's for sure.

00:49:35.300 It's a diamond VIP pass.

00:49:37.580 It's a barcode.

00:49:38.880 So official.

00:49:41.140 And on the back will be my charter rights.

00:49:43.940 All right.

00:49:44.600 So that's coming.

00:49:45.700 Mike writes, you're a hero, Ezra,

00:49:47.200 really worrying how many Canadians don't think freedom of expression is under attack.

00:49:52.180 Well, you know, it's funny.

00:49:53.140 One of our fellows, I think I might have said this before.

00:49:55.080 His name is Mocha.

00:49:55.840 You've seen him.

00:49:56.800 They chase him around.

00:49:59.560 He's originally from Turkey.

00:50:00.820 And I don't know if I think he's okay with me telling his story.

00:50:03.740 He actually, back in Turkey, was arrested and taken to the police station twice.

00:50:09.300 And I told him my story about when I was summoned by the election commissioner and grilled about my book and all that.

00:50:17.140 And I was sort of a tough guy.

00:50:18.660 But at the end of the day, I knew I was walking out of that Elections Canada office.

00:50:22.860 I knew I wasn't going to prison.

00:50:24.860 And I knew, and I know, that even though that case isn't done, I'm pretty sure that I'm going to come out victorious, as in their absurd case against me will fail.

00:50:35.340 Now, it's going to cost me a lot of money and a lot of time, and it's a stupid fight.

00:50:38.640 But I'm pretty sure they're not going to bust down my door at night and arrest me in the middle of the night.

00:50:42.840 But our friend Mocha was literally in a Turkish police station twice.

00:50:48.320 So I appreciate you calling me a hero, but we don't fight as hard as those in places like Turkey, Venezuela, Iran, China, North Korea.

00:51:00.580 But I think that's why we have to fight now.

00:51:02.360 As my old friend John O'Sullivan always said, it's easier to fight in the first ditch than the last ditch.

00:51:09.480 I feel like that's what we're doing here at Rebel News.

00:51:11.740 I don't want it to get so bad where I'm hauled down to a police station like our friend Mocha.

00:51:16.480 I don't want it to get so bad where you're actually thrown in jail.

00:51:20.220 So we're going to fight in the first ditch because it's easier.

00:51:24.980 TJ writes, we need Rebel News now more than ever.

00:51:27.060 Keep on reporting.

00:51:28.120 Oh, we absolutely will.

00:51:29.340 It's absurd how much money we spend on security.

00:51:32.140 And people always say, as we're all volunteer, all volunteer.

00:51:34.120 I appreciate all the volunteers.

00:51:35.680 I do not want volunteers.

00:51:38.240 Volunteers are not insured.

00:51:39.380 Volunteers are not licensed.

00:51:40.400 Volunteers don't know how to do this professionally.

00:51:42.680 Volunteers either don't know what to do or maybe they're too eager for a fight.

00:51:48.660 They're not a team.

00:51:49.800 We had seven people.

00:51:50.780 Imagine seven bodyguards working as a team, communicating.

00:51:53.660 You can't just join that team as a volunteer.

00:51:56.020 So I'm not looking askance at the generosity and I'm not looking to spend more money.

00:52:01.120 I just know that we're at a level of security needs that we can't mess around.

00:52:08.380 That's why.

00:52:10.100 Unfortunately, when you're at that level of security, you're paying $100 an hour, six hour minimum.

00:52:16.800 You do the math on seven people.

00:52:18.480 That's $4,200 plus tax just for yesterday, plus the day before, plus, plus, plus, plus, plus, plus.

00:52:24.460 Plus, we had our lawyer down there.

00:52:26.080 So we're coming up on $10,000 absolutely this week alone.

00:52:30.820 You know what's so insane?

00:52:31.820 And let me close on this.

00:52:33.900 You know, there's a swear.

00:52:34.760 I've done a few shows on it, a few stories on it before.

00:52:37.160 There's this, I'm not going to call it a practical joke because it's not really funny.

00:52:41.160 It's not really a prank because it's not lighthearted.

00:52:42.920 It's typically when there's a female reporter, but sometimes when there's a male reporter, doing a live hit on the street, often at a sports event.

00:52:50.360 Someone will walk by and shout, F her, right in the P.

00:52:53.300 It's a very vulgar, extremely vulgar phrase.

00:52:55.980 And it's just this thing that caught on somehow.

00:52:58.660 And now people do it as a lark to basically heckle with this uniform profanity.

00:53:05.600 And it's startling and harassing, but frankly, nothing that our people don't put up with.

00:53:10.260 Far worse every single time they go out in public.

00:53:12.500 And whenever that F her, right in the P, strange insult phrase is said, oh, it's a national story.

00:53:20.420 And the CBC talks about racism and sexism.

00:53:23.340 And the police say they'll investigate.

00:53:25.200 And here in Ontario, one guy was identified and he was fired from his job with Ontario Hydro, I think it was.

00:53:31.280 And, oh, my God, we need training and we need a law.

00:53:34.600 Just for someone walking by, uttering a swear and literally running off.

00:53:38.160 Whereas our reporters get physically beaten while police and city hall security stand idly by and not a peep out there.

00:53:48.460 So never, never, never let some CBC dainty say, oh, someone swore in my presence we need a national crackdown. 0.98

00:53:56.640 Nah, sister, you didn't care when our people got punched in the face. 1.00

00:54:00.600 You'll have to wait in line a little bit for me to care about the fact that you got heckled in public.

00:54:05.780 Just another double standard.

00:54:06.960 Well, that's the show for today.

00:54:08.160 I can hardly wait until tomorrow to show you the full version of the video I'm referring to.

00:54:12.860 Until then, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, you at home, good night.

00:54:16.560 And keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - June 26, 2020

Chinese embassy, senior Liberals simultaneously push to free Huawei executive

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