Rebel News Podcast - Christian pastor Franklin Graham effectively banned from the UK & Maxime Bernier interview Part 2

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today I tell you about Franklin Graham, the inheritor of the great Billy Graham

00:00:08.200 Project. He's effectively banned from the United Kingdom. That's quite something. I'll read you

00:00:13.720 the story and I'll compare it to other groups that are not banned in the United Kingdom. It's

00:00:18.780 quite a puzzle, this one. Before I do, let me invite you to become a premium subscriber to

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00:00:34.540 Okay, here's today's podcast.

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00:00:43.220 Tonight, America's largest mainstream Christian pastor is effectively banned from the United

00:00:56.920 Kingdom. I'll give you the shocking details. It's February 7th and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

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00:01:23.140 Hello, my friends. Let me start with an apology for yesterday's show. I had flown to Montreal to

00:01:28.600 interview Maxime Bernier. I'm curious about what he's up to, what his plans are, what he thinks about

00:01:33.740 the Conservative Party's leadership race and he has a new YouTube studio of his own, so that's where

00:01:40.200 we were going to do it. I'd interview him there and he'd interview me for his show during the same

00:01:45.640 visit, except that it was the first time using their studio and so there were so many first-time

00:01:51.080 technical glitches. We didn't get the whole videotape of my interview of him in time back

00:01:56.440 here at our headquarters. We just got a part of it and the audio wasn't great, so I apologized for

00:02:01.760 yesterday's show. So we had the other part of that interview later today. I hope you found it

00:02:06.540 interesting. Our team at Rebel News did great with what they had late in the day, so thanks for

00:02:11.380 understanding. Anyways, let me tell you about some news I read just today that I really think ought to

00:02:18.060 be bigger news. It's news from the United Kingdom, a place I've gone to a lot in the past couple of

00:02:23.480 years because of Tommy Robinson's case. And people sometimes say, why do you go there so often? We have

00:02:28.060 our own problems here in Canada and I'm attentive to that and I do try to limit my trips there and

00:02:33.840 if I do go over, I try to do so with as little disruption to my Canadian work as possible, but I

00:02:39.540 still believe that it is relevant to Canada in this way. The UK is further down the road than we are on

00:02:46.100 several important issues, so it serves as a premonition, a warning of what's to come here. Like I keep

00:02:52.020 saying, visiting the UK is my own personal dystopian time machine. I can predict with vivid clarity what

00:02:59.300 is going to happen next here because we're just one cycle behind them. So for example, here in Canada

00:03:06.300 we're all shocked when statues of Sir John A. MacDonald are being taken down. It's truly shocking.

00:03:13.580 He was also ripped off our $10 bill, by the way. Well, I'll show you the next chapter. In the United 0.61

00:03:21.380 Kingdom, children are forbidden to fly the flag of St. George. That's the flag of England. At school,

00:03:30.480 police treat it as a hate symbol. And even the Union flag, sometimes called the Union Jack,

00:03:37.140 the flag of the country. And it's called the Union Jack because it shows the Union of England,

00:03:41.820 Scotland, and Ireland. It's largely banned from polite company. It's considered right wing.

00:03:47.120 I didn't know how beautiful the simple geometric Union flag was until I understood it. I just thought

00:03:55.920 as a kid it was just, you know, triangles or shapes. But it truly represents the Union of three different

00:04:02.860 peoples. The original e pluribus unum, that's the American motto, from many, out of many, one. You could say it's the

00:04:11.500 original multicultural state. The Union Jack is the English flag, that's this one, cross of St. George,

00:04:18.080 plus the Scottish flag, St. Andrew's cross, plus the Irish St. Patrick's cross, all put together over

00:04:28.300 top of each other. I'm sorry I never actually learned that until recently. I didn't know it was so

00:04:34.960 harmonious. I just thought, oh, that's an interesting flag. And I learned that just in time

00:04:39.780 to live in an age where the British government and the British police and British schools are pretty

00:04:44.540 much banning the British flag. So we're not there right now. We're just at the take down the Johnny

00:04:53.500 McDonald statue's face. But we're getting close. Trudeau changed the lyrics of O Canada in such a weird

00:04:59.580 way, just like his father did, I guess. Just like his dad changed Canada's flag. But there's changing

00:05:07.740 it, which is questionable enough. And then there's banning it, disparaging it. So we're not quite

00:05:12.800 there yet. But now that I've shown you what they're doing in the UK, do you doubt me when I

00:05:18.660 prophesy it will happen here? Obviously, the same thing with censorship, which is what took me to the

00:05:24.640 UK in the first place. I've probably done 20 reports on Tommy Robinson being arrested for doing

00:05:30.460 journalism outside a court. This is when he was arrested that day. His journalism that day, by

00:05:36.440 the way, is less intrusive and less rambunctious than our own coverage, say, of Jonathan Yaniv is

00:05:43.020 outside courts here. And Tommy was, you saw him, arrested, imprisoned, in solitary confinement for

00:05:48.800 that. So that could happen to David Menzies, Sheila Gunn-Reed, Kian Beckstein, myself. So you see what I

00:05:53.940 believe the UK is like a crystal ball for what the next phase will look like here. More mass

00:05:59.260 censorship, more of the surveillance state, more politicized police, more mass immigration. Brexit

00:06:05.900 was a pushback against some of that, I think. But so much damage has been done to the UK already.

00:06:12.140 All right, so back to my story today. Billy Graham could probably be called the most prominent,

00:06:19.800 most successful, most mainstream Christian pastor of the 20th century. That's Billy Graham there.

00:06:25.520 At least in America. I don't know about other parts of the world. And he passed away recently. He lived

00:06:30.180 in 99, I think. But he was a personal advisor to actually so many presidents. There's Lyndon Johnson

00:06:37.480 there, a Democrat. There's Richard Nixon, Republican. Obviously, John F. Kennedy there. Because,

00:06:45.720 of course, remember, Graham lived to 99. There's George H. W. Bush. There's Bill Clinton. Boy, he needed

00:06:53.400 spiritual guidance, didn't he? George W. Bush. So Billy Graham, the dad, preached around the world to

00:07:03.480 millions, many millions, in countless countries. I'd say he was the closest thing in terms of mass reach

00:07:09.820 to a Protestant pope, if there were such a thing. I mean, in terms of how far and wide he traveled

00:07:14.940 and evangelized. And he set up so many enduring institutions, including Samaritan's Purse, one of

00:07:21.360 the best Christian charities in the world. Now, his son, Franklin Graham, who's just a whippersnapper in

00:07:27.120 his 60s, has taken over the projects that Billy Graham created. And he's a powerful force in his own

00:07:33.000 right. He does good work, I think. Franklin is following in his father's footsteps. His dad lived to 99.

00:07:38.620 So Franklin has a lot of work to do to catch up. He's about 30 years behind. But he's clearly

00:07:43.180 the inheritor of his dad's style, his dad's project. And at least from my point of view,

00:07:48.860 he's just as mainstream, just as ubiquitous. I'm not Christian myself. I don't follow very closely,

00:07:54.080 but that's how it looks to me. It looks to me that, like his dad, Franklin Graham is not radical.

00:08:00.380 He's not extreme. I actually don't even know what a radical or extreme Christian means. I mean,

00:08:05.520 by nature, Christianity is the religion of love and forgiveness. That's the whole message of

00:08:09.860 Christ. It seems to me as an outside observer. It's gentler in a way than, say, the Old Testament

00:08:16.740 and certainly than the Koran. But Franklin Graham has been effectively banned from the United Kingdom

00:08:23.460 in 2020. Here, look at this. Here's a story. Evangelist preacher Franklin Graham planned a seven-city UK

00:08:32.060 tour. All seven venues have dropped him. Wow, now this is CNN, so approach with skepticism could be

00:08:41.600 fake news. But still, let me read some more. A planned UK tour by U.S. evangelist Franklin Graham

00:08:47.480 is in question after every venue booked by the preacher canceled planned appearances, following an

00:08:53.340 outcry over his homophobic and Islamophobic comments. Okay, well, what does that really mean?

00:08:59.080 I was deplatformed myself, remember? In Edmonton and Calgary, when I booked a venue in each city to

00:09:04.360 give a talk about my book, the Libranos. I had a contract with the theaters. I paid them rent in

00:09:09.900 full in advance. And then the owner caved in and breached the contract, just like it sounds like

00:09:16.360 they're doing to Franklin Graham. But did Franklin Graham really have contracts sealed the deal with

00:09:22.060 the seven venues, like I had with the two venues in Alberta? Did they all really rip up a signed

00:09:28.280 contract? Or was it not quite yet a contract? Was it just sort of an inquiry or something? Again,

00:09:33.820 I don't know. CNN doesn't say. I don't really trust CNN. But given how bad things are in the UK,

00:09:40.280 I'm going to say this is probably true. Let me read more.

00:09:45.440 Graham, the son of preacher Billy Graham, has called Islam evil, attacked laws, increasing rights 1.00

00:09:52.560 for transgender people, and told his followers that the legalization of same-sex marriage was

00:09:57.380 orchestrated by Satan. Now, every venue booked by Graham as part of a lengthy summer tour of the

00:10:04.100 UK has told him not to come. There's some irony here. I don't know if Franklin Graham said those

00:10:10.060 things about those things. I don't know if he said it about same-sex marriage. It wasn't in quotes

00:10:14.920 there. I don't know what tone or context he said it. CNN's not going to tell you. I'm pretty sure

00:10:19.760 Franklin Graham, at the very least, is a love the sinner, hate the sin kind of Christian 0.90

00:10:24.040 who doesn't turn anyone away. I mean, he's certainly less militant than, oh, just let me pick

00:10:30.300 something at random. Britain's Muslim community who have a massive campaign against gay-friendly

00:10:35.840 curricula in schools. I've done a few shows on this one, particularly in Birmingham. There's this

00:10:43.320 one school that's massively, overwhelmingly Muslim. Almost the entire school population is Muslim.

00:10:48.800 And they're simply not going to class where they talk positively about gay people. They 0.98

00:10:55.300 literally have rallies outside the school, even taunting the gay teacher, Mr. Moffat. 0.88

00:11:04.620 But we need to make one thing very clear. This program is not just about telling people that

00:11:13.020 other families and other types of lifestyles exist. It's actually aggressively promoting

00:11:19.520 them, giving it a positive spin and telling people that it is okay for you to be Muslim and 0.97

00:11:27.740 for you to be gay. Mr. Moffat, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame. 1.00

00:11:34.240 that's the united kingdom by the way that's not that's not pakistan or something that's the uk 0.84

00:11:45.840 um that's birmingham at least uh i don't think they're going to ban that muslim group from the

00:11:54.140 right to rent theaters do you or maybe it's the islam comments that got uh franklin graham banned

00:12:01.280 up the gay comments the thing about most religions though i'm not an expert but it seems to me that

00:12:07.040 most religions are exclusive by that i mean you can't be both jewish and christian there's certain 0.88

00:12:13.620 irreconcilable ideas you can't be both hindu and muslim they just you've got to choose so you can 1.00

00:12:21.560 usually find a passage in one religion that rejects or even rebukes a rival religion's theology

00:12:28.520 i mean there's the odd passage about killing infidels in the quran or just for an example

00:12:36.620 so if you're going to ban someone from speaking because he criticized a rival religion

00:12:43.700 as franklin graham has probably done but again cnn doesn't provide context uh there would be no

00:12:51.380 religions in the uk really and there most certainly are so this is pretty selective let me read more

00:12:57.380 a petition calling for newcastle's utilita arena to drop graham has been signed more than 5 000 times

00:13:04.040 and the venue told cnn they made their decision following talks with our partners and relevant

00:13:08.280 stakeholders franklin graham's views are wholly inconsistent with our city which is preparing

00:13:14.100 to welcome huge celebrations and tens of thousands of people this summer for uk pride

00:13:18.440 stay done chair of the northern pride group said on the petition site i guess the northern pride group

00:13:25.160 finds it easier to battle a foreign christian critic from america than for example that crowd outside

00:13:33.800 the birmingham school what do you think it's funny the united kingdom franklin graham is effectively banned

00:13:40.520 i mean i'm i'm sure they'll let him touch down in uk and go through customs not 100 certain but i'm 99

00:13:48.040 percent certain um but he certainly can't do his thing there but funny enough 23 000

00:13:57.000 jihadists can and i'm saying jihadists not muslims let me read a little bit from this article in the

00:14:03.700 times of london i've shown this to you several times before i'll read a little bit intelligence

00:14:07.860 officers have identified 23 000 jihadist extremists living in britain as potential terrorist attackers it

00:14:15.440 emerged yesterday the scale of the challenge facing the police and security services was

00:14:19.420 disclosed by whitehall sources after criticism that multiple opportunities to stop the manchester

00:14:23.940 bomber had been missed about 3 000 people from the total group are judged to pose a threat and are

00:14:30.480 under investigation or active monitoring in 500 operations being run by police and intelligence

00:14:37.620 services the 20 000 others have featured in previous inquiries and are categorized as posing a residual

00:14:43.600 risk oh my god

00:14:45.420 so 3 000 people are being followed pretty much around the clock in 500

00:14:51.820 police operations what does that mean that you're literally chasing someone 24 hours a day literally

00:14:59.420 waiting for them to stab someone or run their car over someone but you won't just scoop them up and

00:15:05.280 deport them or detain them that's exactly what this means and here's what that looks like this was just a

00:15:12.140 few days ago i think this was five days ago in london one of those 23 000 jihadis one of the 3 000

00:15:20.000 who's being tracked all the time he went on a stabbing spree right on the street in london before police

00:15:30.040 shot him you can see the police shooting him here and then they backed away because they thought he had

00:15:34.360 some bomb on him or something but if you look at the footage police were very close by they were on

00:15:44.060 motorbikes they were dressed plain clothes they had guns which is not ubiquitous in the uk they were so

00:15:50.340 close by they shot him after he only stabbed two people so they weren't called from a police station

00:15:58.440 they were following him on motorbikes with guns that's how much manpower was on this one

00:16:07.600 20 year old terrorist sudes a man was his name armed undercover cops just driving around town

00:16:14.320 behind him like he's got his own personal escort that's how imminent they knew his attack was

00:16:18.520 but they didn't try and stop him until after he stabbed two people they were that close to him

00:16:23.580 oh i didn't mention if you think that's crazy look at this the same terrorist had already been

00:16:30.840 convicted of multiple terrorism offenses but was let out by the british prison system anyways so it's

00:16:38.200 not just that the intelligence thought he was going to attack were so worried they were following him

00:16:44.060 they already knew he did attack was convicted was sentenced and they just puttered along behind him

00:16:50.780 until the stabbing started do you know how much manpower it takes to trail someone 24 hours a day

00:16:55.380 like that that's the luxury of being a british jihadi commit terrorism get out of jail in a year or two

00:17:02.480 be free to go wherever you like till you kill or attempt to kill again 23 000 suspects 3 000 of them 0.98

00:17:10.540 being tracked around the clock but franklin graham go home you bigot you're not welcome in the uk 0.98

00:17:19.060 like i say folks that's us in maybe five years stay with us for more about our interview with

00:17:27.600 maxime bernier that i tried to get from them yesterday we'll show it now here you go

00:17:32.260 maxime bernier thank you very much for meeting with me in your new studio thanks for letting me

00:17:50.180 visit you and tell us what you've been up to since the election thank you i'm very very pleased that you

00:17:56.460 are here today and you know i'm very busy i'm not a member of parliament as you know i didn't win at

00:18:02.400 the last election but i'm since fighting for what i believe and what we believe at the people's party

00:18:07.500 of canada it was a tough election for us but if you look back i think we made history it took 20 years

00:18:17.100 for the green party to have more than 1.6 of the vote 20 years and six election and we did that in

00:18:25.500 one year we created a party in one year we had 92 of the writings where we had a candidate 314 candidates

00:18:34.060 on 338 writings and so we built that party and too bad that i didn't win but when you fight for your

00:18:42.300 ideas and you don't win because uh you were honest with what you believe i think it's a honorable loss

00:18:49.980 and now i'm building the party again i'm speaking with our candidates we our goal is to have maybe 150

00:18:57.660 candidates ready at the end of this year and having the other candidates next year we are planning for

00:19:04.620 an election in two or three years so the party must be ready we don't have any deficit we were able to

00:19:11.100 raise more than 2.7 million dollars last year for the first year and we did a kind of a restructuration

00:19:18.380 at our head office in ottawa we have a few more people but it's working well i'm traveling a little

00:19:25.100 bit across the country i was out west a couple of months ago i was a guest speaker for the wexit

00:19:32.460 movement and having a discussion with people over there on fixing canada but right now the most

00:19:40.620 important for me is that new youtube channel the people's party of canada official youtube channel

00:19:47.740 i will have some guests like i had you for the first one i want to thank you very much thank you

00:19:52.460 for having me oh otherwise that was fun i think people will like it so the youtube channel more

00:19:58.700 present on the social media i didn't have time during the election yes i was very active on twitter

00:20:04.780 but people didn't see my face and so i would be more present on social media youtube facebook and

00:20:11.580 twitter and at the same time also i will always fight for the ideas that we believe in more

00:20:18.220 less government and more freedom now we're the conservative party of canada is in another leadership

00:20:24.060 race already and it started off slowly because it's such a high bar to get in three hundred thousand

00:20:30.620 dollars three thousand signatures and it's a pretty short time period but now it looks like there's

00:20:35.740 a lot of people sniffing around looking at it do you have any thoughts on either the i guess the a-list

00:20:43.660 candidates or or the others what is there anyone that you find hopeful is there anyone that you uh

00:20:49.820 think has ideas that are appealing that are possibilities yeah well i have the same questions i

00:20:55.900 wonder what what do you make of the whole thing but first of all maybe before answering that let's

00:21:01.020 speak about the process and i think the establishment of the party didn't want any outsider you know the

00:21:07.260 rules are so tight and three uh thousand signatures uh thirty three hundred thousand dollars it wasn't the

00:21:16.300 same rule that when i was running for the leadership of the conservative part of canada and the time also

00:21:21.980 is so short for having these signatures and the money so i think at the end they will have maybe

00:21:27.420 three or four candidates but um there's no debate there's no debate about ideas the big debate that they

00:21:34.060 had recently was about uh the leader participating in a parade in a parade parade and and peter mckay said

00:21:43.340 he will and then who she didn't so it's such important those are the issues that the media party would

00:21:50.060 want them to dance to i think that there's important issues that conservative politicians are afraid of

00:21:57.660 whether it's standing up to the uh global warming thesis or free speech or open borders immigration

00:22:07.900 i think the conservatives should be talking about real things instead of just dancing to whatever

00:22:12.380 the media party tells them to do is there anyone in the field that you think would resist the media

00:22:18.620 part that's my biggest criticism of the conservatives they aren't showing courage on ideas is there

00:22:23.660 anyone i i know i don't think so their goal is to like andrew she said now it's a centrist political

00:22:30.940 party and they want to have votes from the liberals so i don't think they will have a strong line on

00:22:37.500 immigration like you know for us it's very well known we want i mean isn't that a winner in quebec that's

00:22:42.860 what i don't get is that francois legault yeah and um not just in his reduction of immigration numbers

00:22:51.020 but in his bill 21 talking about the secular nature of the civil service those are hugely popular if i'm

00:22:57.260 reading the opinion so it's and i also notice that critics even in english canada are pretty timid

00:23:05.500 because they they know that's popular and they also respect the idea that quebec has a bit of its own

00:23:10.860 identity so it's amazing to me that legault is and he's the most popular premier absolutely in the

00:23:17.820 country according to the polls i i don't know why a conservative doesn't say i'm going to choose

00:23:24.700 that instead of the love of a hundred journalists in ottawa if it worked for legault could it work outside

00:23:33.180 quebec i think yes but in quebec we had that debate about identity for a long time uh you know

00:23:40.460 the only francophone uh place in north america uh and speaking about immigration speaking about

00:23:48.060 french language bill 101 and all that it's not new for quebecers but i think in english canada

00:23:54.300 speaking about immigration it is new as you remember you know somebody who supported our work

00:24:00.060 had some billboards all across the country during the campaign and said you know with my face and stop

00:24:05.180 mass immigration and it was a big scandal in english canada not in quebec yeah so we need to have that 1.00

00:24:11.980 debate and there's a canadian identity and we want to promote that you know one of the things that

00:24:18.140 irritated me about the election is i have a friend named salim mansoor yeah very thoughtful man he was

00:24:23.980 one of our candidates well and that's the thing is he wanted to run for the conservatives i've known him for

00:24:28.700 a decade he's a professor who worked his way up i think he started as a taxi driver when he came here

00:24:35.580 he's so thoughtful he's such a he's a progressive muslim he believes in the separation of mosque and 0.75

00:24:42.380 state he's he loves canadian values in my mind he's a star candidate uh professor thoughtful he's he's a

00:24:51.900 muslim immigrant who's made good yeah and he was rejected by the conservatives for being he said

00:24:58.540 to me they called him islamophobic he's muslim they're not that's crazy that's crazy and ran for 0.87

00:25:06.380 you guys which yeah but the fact that he was thrown out is crazy to me absolutely absolutely and for me

00:25:12.620 i was very happy because it's like you said he was a star candidate for us uh and but i don't think

00:25:20.140 that the conservative party will change i i said they're morally and intellectual intellectually corrupt

00:25:25.900 and with a new face that would be the same thing because their goal is only to have the power but

00:25:31.980 they don't know what to do if they're in government they don't you know they don't they don't believe

00:25:35.980 in big changes if you believe in big changes you need to speak about it during the election before

00:25:40.940 the election after the election all the time that's what i'm doing you they're conservative they're

00:25:45.340 supposed to balance to want to balance the budget at the last election no no i do share i'm not able to

00:25:50.300 balance the budget on immigration i won't do anything on free speech nothing special uh on on giving uh

00:25:58.700 money to big corporations and and uh uh it's oh no we like subsidies to corporations we won't we won't

00:26:04.780 stop that so there's a lot of things that are conservative that they must run on and they must

00:26:10.300 fight for it and they didn't do that in the past and they want in the future i don't i don't think so

00:26:15.420 well i hope they will because uh they have the institutional structure they have the fundraising

00:26:21.980 machine they have the riding associations they have the brand name yeah they have all the assets

00:26:28.060 but you can't put like if it was a pyramid they have all the blocks but the block on the top

00:26:34.300 didn't show courage didn't speak i but the establishment you're right the establishment you

00:26:39.900 when i was running i had 49 of devils i had a lot of support how come you left i remember

00:26:47.500 in that moment this is right before the the convention in halifax i remember thinking and i

00:26:53.900 think i might even said it to you just grit your teeth stick with it and if sheer fails which a lot

00:27:01.980 of people thought he would you would immediately be the heir apparent you would be the everyone would

00:27:06.140 say he should have won last time finally he too bad we didn't do it last time i and maybe you don't

00:27:13.580 want to talk about this i i thought that you could have stayed within the party being the charismatic

00:27:21.020 communicator being the keeper of the flame and if sheer would have won you would be in the tent and

00:27:29.260 if he would have lost which he did everyone would say okay it's magazine let's do this right

00:27:34.620 why did you feel the need to leave because all the problems we're talking about right now the party's

00:27:41.500 not strong the party's not principled and you're talking about the successes you had with the ppc okay

00:27:47.900 but you're comparing yourself to the green party instead of the people instead of the cpc yeah why did

00:27:53.820 you leave okay so first of all after the leadership race i didn't win with 49 of the vote but remember

00:28:01.100 i had only five mps on 99 mps who supported me right including myself right so four okay and after

00:28:08.780 that i worked for 15 months with the establishment of the party i didn't win with 49 of the votes so

00:28:15.820 our platform was very popular right balancing the budget and all our platform was very popular so i

00:28:21.260 tried to push the establishment to take some of our ideas for the next platform for the next campaign

00:28:26.700 and then who she and the establishment were very clear about that maxime all your ideas are extreme

00:28:32.540 we won't take it and blah blah when they tried to do to you what they did to salim mansoor yeah

00:28:38.140 and and when andrew shiel said publicly maxime bernie is not speaking for the conservative party anymore

00:28:44.300 he's speaking for himself after 15 months i said i cannot do anything in that party so i left i created

00:28:50.620 the people's party and during the election that was they didn't take any of the strong conservative

00:28:55.820 ideas and they were centrists and leftists and that and i i think right now the establishment is

00:29:02.300 controlling that party and that would be the same ideas because they're doing politics based on survey

00:29:07.580 and polling and focus group so when did you leave exactly what in august uh in august the election for the

00:29:15.340 the election for the conservative party of canada was in may 2017 right and i left the uh a year 15

00:29:24.940 months after that in august uh of 2018 of 2018. boy i wish you i wish you would have stuck around

00:29:33.340 i'm i'm just i'm just saying um that's my personal view is there i think there a lot of bridges were

00:29:40.060 burned both ways is there any chance that you would throw your hat in the ring now you say there's

00:29:45.100 no candidate for the conservatives that that is up to the ideological and and the courage that i

00:29:52.460 think you've shown i'm a fan of yours thanks wow is it just like like if you're saying that the

00:30:00.380 establishment or isn't good and if the candidates aren't good by your checklist you wouldn't you

00:30:09.260 wouldn't try and i mean what would happen if all your ppc members came into the conservatives

00:30:13.260 bought a membership to like you could raise 300 grand you have like you could do i'm just is it

00:30:21.260 possible to have a reconciliation i didn't come here to lobby you for that but i'm just thinking i agree

00:30:25.580 with you that the candidates who are running so far are not that inspirational you have a profile you

00:30:30.940 came in an extremely close second last time there's been a lot of water under the bridge in the last

00:30:35.820 couple years but you wouldn't even consider it no no absolutely not because you could make it in your own

00:30:40.860 image then yeah but they don't want me and i don't want to go there also it's past i've turned the

00:30:48.860 page and i know inside i know what they're doing you know i'll give you an example you know i want i

00:30:58.300 speak i spoke about the abolition of the cartel in daily poultry and milk the supply management oh i don't

00:31:04.380 understand andrew sheer's obsession with the dairy cartel yeah yeah but but you know the mps i had a

00:31:09.980 lot of people that were telling maxim i like you when i was running for the ownership i like your

00:31:14.540 ideas but you know i have a lot of dairy producer in my writing i cannot support you i had other

00:31:20.060 member of members of parliament who said maxim i like your ideas but cutting corporate welfare you know

00:31:24.940 i have gm in my writing i cannot support you so i didn't have the support of the mps and and that's

00:31:31.900 impossible you cannot if you don't have the support of the mps and i didn't have that with 49 of

00:31:37.980 support from the members so i don't want for me i turn the page the mps and the establishment they're

00:31:43.980 just there to look at the pool and try to win without speaking about the real issues and that's why you

00:31:50.220 know i i'm very happy with what i'm doing right now it's it's a big work it's a lot of work i need to

00:31:57.020 be back in government as soon as possible but you know i like fighting for the real ideas i've

00:32:03.580 traveled to europe in recent years and i've seen the rise of populist nationalist democratic parties

00:32:10.860 that focus a little bit on free speech uh controlling borders immigration yeah i've seen it

00:32:17.260 in all across europe sometimes they actually win yeah sometimes they come in second yeah but they're

00:32:22.620 very viable like even like italy right now there's a real populist movement with salvini um

00:32:29.420 and there's a place in canada for us well i mean brexit won trump won i thought maybe you would be that

00:32:37.020 force and i know from the success of rebel news that there are a lot of people who want to talk about

00:32:42.940 these issues i've just mentioned why institutionally have we not been able to copy brexit trump

00:32:50.860 salvini here builders in holland even uh the um even le pen in france some people object to her but just

00:33:00.620 the populist nationalists let's take let's get out of the the u.n or get out of uh the eu why haven't

00:33:06.620 we been is it the media is it the culture why can't we do that here well first of all uh we didn't have

00:33:12.540 a we didn't have a populist leader before and i think i'm the first one uh but i think we will

00:33:21.020 that's that's our future at the people's party uh the more we are are there the more we speak about

00:33:26.700 our ideas the better it will be for us uh maybe uh the immigration crisis in europe was a little bit

00:33:35.260 bigger than in canada right now we still have uh illegal migrants that are crossing the border in quebec

00:33:41.340 it's still you know it's not sustainable but you don't speak about that in october right now the

00:33:47.660 conservative party doesn't speak about that right now so what are they afraid of like what are they

00:33:53.420 really afraid of the cbc already hates them they can't double hate but they're afraid to be uh people

00:33:59.260 who say oh maybe you're racist you know what happened to me at the last election kinsella with the

00:34:03.340 conservative party of canada the conservative paid kinsella to discredit our party i heard you're

00:34:08.060 suing and i'm suing him yeah i'm suing absolutely it's my reputation it's our reputation but they're

00:34:13.820 afraid of that they're afraid of the mainstream media and but you need to do the fight and people

00:34:20.540 people know that we we are doing that fight for a better country well let me ask you about that

00:34:25.980 because i mean in germany for example the alternative for deutschland the afd party it's been around for

00:34:33.500 10 years or so i'm not sure exactly and it's starting people are getting used to them they're

00:34:37.660 comfortable with them and and they're a fact of life and they're not going to go away and

00:34:44.140 they've managed to resist the cancel culture yeah let me ask you this you don't have the seat in 0.97

00:34:51.020 parliament now you have professional dirty tricksters like warren kinsella smearing you as a racist um 0.91

00:34:57.820 you were telling me earlier that um you were speaking somewhere in quebec and someone tried 0.91

00:35:03.580 to have you banned which never would have happened in the past are you worried that you will be

00:35:09.580 cancelled you will be de-platformed you're a pretty big fish to be de-platformed but they de-platformed

00:35:16.140 big people in the u.s and the uk i'm glad you're starting your youtube channel and i'm glad you want to

00:35:21.820 keep working but are you worried you will be shut out banned from the cbc banned from newspapers other

00:35:28.140 than far-right maxime bernier are you worried that you're going to be demonized uh i hope it won't

00:35:35.980 happen but that's a risk um and if that happened that would be that would be huge uh because you know

00:35:44.860 former minister you know member of parliament for 30 years look at my past you know look at my videos

00:35:50.940 that i did a couple of years ago it's always about the same ideas so they cannot say that bernie is

00:35:57.340 a extreme right-wing radical they cannot if they look at what i said the last 30 years as an active

00:36:04.620 politician and so i i don't think it will happen but that's a risk and i hope in canada it won't happen

00:36:12.540 um i was at the the coulisses du pouvoir in french a couple of weeks ago what does that mean uh it's

00:36:22.140 uh it's uh it's big it's the daily uh not daily weekly uh show in french cbc radio canada speaking

00:36:30.940 about politics uh like the house it's in french in quebec and so what for for the country and i was there

00:36:38.940 and i explained to them and uh what i was doing and so i hope i will still have some well that's

00:36:44.940 good to be at the radio canada or cbc but uh it's a big challenge for us one phone call from the prime

00:36:52.140 minister's office and that'll stop it can happen yeah let me ask you one last question you've been

00:36:57.740 very generous with your time um i think about quebec and in i mean i don't know i don't speak french

00:37:06.380 very well at all so what i hear is filtered through the anglo media which i know i'm getting a

00:37:12.060 distorted view but legault and the cac party started from scratch not too long ago replaced both the

00:37:20.540 red and the blue team replaced both the party quebecois and the liberals majority we already

00:37:25.660 talked he's the most popular premier in the the country based on polls and the most important in

00:37:31.740 quebec is very very popular and i mean i don't know how important the immigration comments and the

00:37:39.180 secular you know no burke is in the workplace i don't know how important they are i think 1.00

00:37:45.580 people care about that and i think in quebec they maybe care extra much because they've been talking

00:37:49.820 about identity and they're worried quebecers are worried that they'll lose their hundreds of years 1.00

00:37:54.780 of history and they'll be washed away like a drop in the sea so i'm a western boy originally from

00:38:02.380 calgary and i'm in toronto now and i'm right wing reform party preston manning but maybe the hope

00:38:08.780 comes from quebec i always thought of quebec as a socialist place and economically it probably is

00:38:14.060 but culturally maybe by some definitions it's a conservative place and maybe quebec can be an

00:38:21.100 example for the rest of us and that good news can come from quebec and a role model can come from

00:38:26.700 quebec maybe not on economics but on culture and that on pipelines yeah those are big things but on

00:38:33.900 on immigration i think you have a point there how can we get that to spread to anglo canada yeah but

00:38:39.260 i try to do that and but on on immigration identity quebec use and still fight for their identity

00:38:50.140 francophone uh in in north america uh and i think in english canada they know what's happening right

00:38:57.740 now in europe and they're looking at it and they say you know we must do like we did in the past being

00:39:02.780 able to select our immigrants and it's a privilege to be canadians and not these people who are crossing 1.00

00:39:08.380 illegally our border borders right now so that debate on immigration i think we can have i hope at the

00:39:15.020 next election uh i will be able to have a debate on that subject i was not able to you know i was 0.84

00:39:21.660 shut down and uh oh you're by kinsella and the conservative party you're a racist you're so i hope 0.94

00:39:27.660 that and that didn't happen in quebec in in the media in quebec people know maxime bernier and they're 0.54

00:39:35.020 used to that debate nobody said in quebec that i was a racist and kinsella was not credible in quebec but

00:39:41.820 in english canada you know i'm people say what's what's that language about immigration they were

00:39:47.180 not used to that but the more you speak about that the better we'll be so there's a nice i think there's

00:39:53.340 a future for a populist party in this country that's why i'm i'm i'm fighting for that all right very

00:39:59.660 interesting um we spoke yesterday you told me you're having a new show a weekly show that's why i'm here

00:40:07.020 and i said well if i go on your story can you come on mine tell us a little bit about your plans for

00:40:11.740 the weekly show i'm glad you're coming on youtube yeah i hope you're not de-platformed on youtube tell

00:40:16.540 me um without giving away yeah you know you're i don't want to steal your thunder but tell us what

00:40:21.340 you can about your new program um and the kind of things you want to do yeah first of all i will uh

00:40:27.660 comments the news for sure i will have an interview uh every every week with a different

00:40:33.340 person and i'm very pleased that you are the first one thank you about free speech and uh we'll have

00:40:39.180 a discussion about the deficit and monetary policy with a statistician and an economist a couple of

00:40:46.700 shows from now we'll have university professor having some discussion so the goal is to have debates

00:40:52.780 and to engage in discussion and i'm open also to have some leftists that want to debate something

00:40:58.380 with me and my show i'm open for that and and and the goal for me personally is to use the social

00:41:06.700 media and youtube and to promote our ideas because we think that we have the best ideas based on freedom

00:41:13.180 personal responsibility respect fairness so that's why it was important and it is important for me to

00:41:19.900 start that youtube channel well we'll sure be watching it and if it's on youtube we'll be able to embed

00:41:26.860 your tube video your youtube video is right on our website so people will find it and we'll be

00:41:31.580 sure to keep an eye yeah that's the official people's party of canada youtube channel perfect

00:41:36.940 we'll have a link to it on the show great to see you i'm glad you're in high spirits i'm glad you've

00:41:41.740 got big plans and i hope that some of your ideas will find purchase in the canadian political culture

00:41:48.300 because we sure need it thank you for having me yes well what do you think of my interview with

00:42:02.060 maxime bernier i know that he's a divisive force amongst our viewers some passionately like him

00:42:07.500 some think he was a terrible splitter a splittist uh and it is true that he did split some of the vote but

00:42:14.860 not enough to cost andrew sheer uh the election when andrew sheer gets full credit for that himself

00:42:22.220 in my interview with him i expressed my own personal view as i have before that i wish

00:42:25.820 he never split from the conservative party and had he managed to stay in that party not only could he

00:42:30.780 have helped it i believe in the last election but even if he couldn't have saved it he would obviously

00:42:35.980 be the heir apparent right now um i don't know he certainly seems resolved to stay outside of it didn't

00:42:42.380 need well that's our show for today until monday on behalf of all of us here at rebel world

00:42:48.140 headquarters good night and keep fighting for freedom

Rebel News Podcast - February 08, 2020

Christian pastor Franklin Graham effectively banned from the UK & Maxime Bernier interview Part 2

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