Rebel News Podcast - Civil liberties lawyer John Carpay on Canada's collective germaphobia

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. You know, here at Rebel News, we like to tell you the news. We like to give you

00:00:04.720 our opinions. But one of our favorite things is to actually become activists and fix a problem.

00:00:11.460 These days, it's civil liberties and the pandemic. And I look around and I say,

00:00:15.140 where are the civil libertarians? Where's the Canadian Civil Liberties Association?

00:00:19.220 Where's everyone else? Too often, it's just us. But today, I have the pleasure of an extended,

00:00:24.660 in-depth interview with really Canada's leading civil libertarian. Really the only one. So he's

00:00:31.940 obviously leading. I'm joking around. He's the best. His name is John Carpe. And I hope you enjoy

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00:00:56.260 money from Trudeau. All right, here's my interview with John Carpe.

00:01:00.220 Tonight, a feature interview with John Carpe, Canada's only real civil liberties lawyer.

00:01:22.900 It's October 2nd. This is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:25.460 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:31.300 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:35.360 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody

00:01:40.240 right to do so.

00:01:46.100 Do you know germophobia is a thing we all used to sort of make fun of people who would wipe down

00:01:51.400 every surface? And, you know, they were a little bit over the top. I mean, it's good to be clean

00:01:56.600 and hygienic. Cleanliness is next to godliness. But this whole pandemic panic has turned into a

00:02:02.840 psychological disorder, according to a column by our next guest, John Carpe, the executive director

00:02:08.120 of the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms. Germophobia is actually a medical condition itself.

00:02:14.840 John, great to see you. Welcome to our world headquarters here in Toronto.

00:02:17.640 Good to see you, Ezra.

00:02:18.760 I was reading your essay, and I didn't think about it this way. But we used to sort of make fun of,

00:02:24.680 if it was a light case of germophobia, but that's actually a medical condition. And some people could

00:02:29.800 be actually crazy about it. They would be afraid to go out of their homes. They would...

00:02:34.280 Not use a public bathroom, wipe down a chair before you sit on it. You remember Niles Crane,

00:02:39.880 the character on the Frasier series? Frasier was that popular sitcom with a talk show,

00:02:45.000 psychiatrist, radio psychiatrist. And so he had a younger brother, Niles Crane, who was always

00:02:50.920 wiping everything down, and didn't want to touch anybody, didn't want to shake hands.

00:02:57.080 And under the DM5, it is a recognized psychiatric illness, germophobia.

00:03:03.720 Yeah. I mean, it's always good to be somewhat afraid of germs. Our gag reflex, I think, is an

00:03:10.520 instinctive reaction, a rejection to things that are rotten. Don't eat that maggot-covered meat that

00:03:16.760 makes you want to throw up. That's your body's way of saying, we've been practicing eating strange

00:03:21.720 things for 100,000 years. Don't eat that. So it's good to be germophobic. It's good to wash hands.

00:03:26.600 Washing hands and penicillin. Those are great developments. But to be so terrified of the world

00:03:34.760 that you're like the boy in the bubble, that is a mental condition. And I think it has been inflicted

00:03:42.680 on millions of people who are genuinely afraid to leave their homes. I think that there are people,

00:03:50.200 especially seniors who have been terrified by this, who will never leave their homes again. And I don't

00:03:55.320 mean ever, ever. They'll go and get the groceries. They'll go and get the mail, maybe. But they're

00:03:59.800 never going to go to a restaurant, a theater. They're never going to go to a family reunion.

00:04:05.800 They'll never travel again, never go on a vacation. They're just going to sit in their homes until they

00:04:12.360 die as a form of mass germophobia.

00:04:17.240 It's very sad. The fear that we have been put into as a society with the politicians basically

00:04:25.320 running with the Neil Ferguson Imperial College predictions from March that millions of people

00:04:31.080 around the world would die. And this Neil Ferguson, he has been spectacularly wrong on BSE,

00:04:37.720 mad cow disease, the bird flu. Every pandemic he is out by thousands of percentage points,

00:04:45.720 and yet people were still listening to him.

00:04:47.640 The irony is, I mean, I remember reading headlines about his study. Obviously, I didn't go deep into it.

00:04:53.160 And I thought, oh, this is cause for concern. I myself propagated, I mean, Imperial College

00:04:58.520 sounds very authoritative. It was a pack of lies. The thing about him is that not only did he produce

00:05:04.520 the seminal propaganda document that everyone followed, but even he didn't believe it in his

00:05:09.960 own life. He's the one who broke the lockdown rules and ran around town sleeping with his married

00:05:15.640 mistress breaking the rules. And I mentioned that only because, I mean, not that I think that's relevant

00:05:21.720 to his science, but it's relevant to the fact that even he obviously doesn't believe what he's saying.

00:05:27.320 If he's arranging trysts, you know, illicit trysts when we're all supposed to be in lockdown,

00:05:34.360 he didn't believe it himself. But he loves seeing other people dance to his tunes.

00:05:39.160 He also recanted in part, and this got very little publicity, but he did speak publicly

00:05:43.800 before parliamentary committee a few weeks later. And he said his numbers were way out. And he also

00:05:48.680 said most of these people would have died anyway, making a reference to the fact that the COVID is

00:05:55.240 a deadly killer for people that are in their 80s. They're already very sick with cancer or emphysema

00:06:03.240 or heart disease or diabetes or any number of things. And so Neil Ferguson said these people

00:06:08.920 would have died anyway. And his numbers were out. But by then the panic train had left the station.

00:06:14.680 Oh yeah. And people didn't want to hear him.

00:06:16.440 And people didn't want to, but he did retract it. And what's so sad now though, is I feel kind of

00:06:24.520 conned and tricked because I didn't oppose these lockdowns in March. I thought, well, if there's millions

00:06:31.720 of people who are going to die, we should take some decisive action. But now we're into October.

00:06:37.160 We're six months, seven months past. We know, looking at government data, I'm not talking about

00:06:43.720 you know, getting data off of some right-wing conspiracy website or something. Government

00:06:47.480 data, Ontario government, Alberta government, Italian government, Center for Disease Control in

00:06:52.200 the US, government data tells us that this is not an unusually deadly killer. And the death numbers

00:06:59.160 are closer to an annual flu than to a real pandemic like the 1968, 1957, 1918.

00:07:05.800 I've seen stats now in the United Kingdom that more people are dying from the regular flu than

00:07:10.040 from this virus. And look at this just for a second. These are statistics from the government

00:07:14.040 of Ontario. This is their latest modeling. They just rolled this out days ago. You can see they have

00:07:19.400 their best case scenario, middle case and worst case scenario. Already, the facts are better than

00:07:27.800 their best case scenario. So we see already that their modeling is still way, way, way off.

00:07:34.440 And they're still proceeding with their crazy lockdowns.

00:07:36.520 Well, these models have been discredited entirely, and yet they continue to form the basis for public

00:07:41.560 policy. In Alberta, Premier Hinshaw and her lovely assistant, Jason, predicted back in April that there

00:07:49.560 there would be 32,000 deaths. Even with lockdown measures in place, 32,000 Albertans would die.

00:07:56.680 Do they know that in Alberta, there are 27,000 people that die every year from all causes,

00:08:02.360 you know, cancer, heart disease, everything? It's 27,000 people die every year. COVID deaths are at 250,

00:08:09.720 compared to 27,000. And they predicted 32,000 people would die.

00:08:14.200 So it was more, they were, it was less than 1% of what they thought. I know that Justin Trudeau and

00:08:20.760 Theresa Tam predicted up to 350,000 deaths. The number is about 9,200. 9,200. And the total annual

00:08:28.440 deaths in Canada from all causes, right? Cancer, suicide, car accidents, everything. Total annual

00:08:34.760 deaths in Canada is 275,000. You know, I learned something from one of your papers on Saskatchewan.

00:08:41.560 You were quoting the public health officer. I didn't know there were so many public health

00:08:45.480 officers in this country. Every province, every city, every region. And these folks are making

00:08:52.680 two, three, $400,000 a year. There's probably 100 of them in Canada. And they all just repeat the

00:08:58.840 talking points from the World Health Organization. I don't even know why we have 100 of them. They're

00:09:02.440 just sort of repeating what the lead mouthpiece says. It's very strange to me.

00:09:07.400 He said in Saskatchewan that the virus doesn't discriminate young, old, male, female, any race.

00:09:16.920 But that's actually not true. As you indicated, I mean, I've studied the numbers in various

00:09:21.800 jurisdictions. The average age of death is between 83 and 86, depending which province you're at in this

00:09:28.760 country. Which is, by the way, older than life expectancy in Canada. And I'm not happy that

00:09:34.440 anyone is dying at 83, 80, 45. But we have to look at reality.

00:09:38.680 Well, but just don't say that this virus doesn't discriminate. The virus does discriminate.

00:09:43.640 And that's useful information. That means you don't have to shut down summer camps for kids,

00:09:49.320 schools for kids, restaurants where waiters and waitresses are in their teens and 20s.

00:09:56.200 I want to throw something at you. I've been puzzling over Quebec. Quebec has about 23,

00:10:01.400 24 percent of the population. But they have a majority of the cases and a huge majority of the

00:10:07.320 deaths. Why is that? Do they not have good hospitals? The answer is most of them are in

00:10:13.880 seniors' homes. Okay, but there's seniors' homes in Ontario. Now, it's true 82 percent of the deaths

00:10:18.840 have been in seniors' homes. And that's across Canada.

00:10:21.400 So it's not actually a disease that targets the elderly.

00:10:25.000 It does not.

00:10:25.640 It targets the elderly in seniors' homes. And Quebec, especially in the last year,

00:10:31.960 has been the most pro-assisted dying, euthanasia, do not revive jurisdiction in Canada. They're

00:10:38.840 obsessed with it. My theory, and I don't yet have the proof in hand other than what makes Quebec

00:10:44.760 different than Ontario, their obsession with do not revive euthanasia. And so my theory, not yet proven,

00:10:51.960 but something I want to look into, is that these are folks that kids or grandkids said,

00:10:57.240 you know, Gramps, we're going to send you to the home, and doctor, do not revive him. And the

00:11:02.440 doctor says, okay, we won't. And the healthcare system, happy not to expend 20, 30, 40, 50 thousand

00:11:07.960 dollars in the last month of life. So it is, and the same thing in New York State with Governor Cuomo.

00:11:15.240 They thought, oh, you know what? We got people who are in their 80s, 90s, and hundreds.

00:11:21.000 They're not going to be around for much longer. I'm trying to get into the mind of a Cuomo or a Legault.

00:11:26.120 And they're saying, well, and the kids don't want to spend money keeping them around. Just put them

00:11:31.400 all in these seniors' homes and put them on the ice flow and sail them out to sea. That's a terrifying 0.99

00:11:37.320 and terrible speculation. But that is the law in Quebec more than anywhere else in Canada.

00:11:44.360 It is a pro-assisted dying jurisdiction. There's no two ways about it. I think that that's what

00:11:50.520 happened in Quebec.

00:11:52.280 Well, you know, whether that's intentional or unintentional, the one thing that's certain is

00:11:57.880 that the cruelty that has been inflicted on people in nursing homes is astounding. The Justice

00:12:03.080 Centers commenced a court action in Ontario for two women, each of whom was not allowed to see their

00:12:09.240 own mother. And this has been repeated across the country thousands, tens of thousands of times.

00:12:14.520 People cannot go in to provide the love and attention and care and affection and just practical

00:12:21.640 help with feeding and dressing and so on. The family members are prevented from taking care of

00:12:28.680 the seniors because they depend, many of them, on their kids and grandkids coming in to help out.

00:12:35.080 And they've closed it off, you know, and at the same time, but the staff are allowed in,

00:12:39.560 right? But the family visitors are not. So that's the opposite case of what I'm talking

00:12:43.000 about. I'm talking about cases where everyone's happy to let granny go out in the ice. Well, 0.98

00:12:46.040 you probably have both sides. You have loving family members and you probably also have some

00:12:51.880 callous people that maybe want their relative to die as soon as possible. You know, I was on the

00:12:57.720 phone today with someone from the United Kingdom who works in seniors' homes and says that the

00:13:02.280 chief worry for them is actually malnutrition and loneliness. You've got these people in their 80s

00:13:10.440 who, I was surprised to hear malnutrition is a concern, but it is a fact that the deaths are so

00:13:17.720 low now in Canada, even though the cases are high, that suicides are higher, opioid deaths. Child

00:13:24.840 suicide rates are going up. Yeah. And I detected something in Toronto. We're following up on it.

00:13:31.400 I used to go to the Toronto statistics page every day because it was actually very,

00:13:37.000 uh, there's a lot of statistics there. And, and I started to notice that no one was, in fact,

00:13:42.920 no one died in the entire month of September. Oh, I think until like, like the very, there was,

00:13:48.360 I think there was like one death of Corona. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. In the whole, and I thought,

00:13:52.760 wow, that's, and I think there was only two or three in August. That's very, very, very low.

00:13:58.840 But that's the wave has come and gone. I mean, it peaked in, the deaths peaked in, in March,

00:14:03.320 April, May, April, April, May, April. And they came down and then May, June, July, August,

00:14:06.840 they come down, down, down, down. So every day I do a live stream every day. So every day I would go to

00:14:10.920 the page and Justin, our producer would call up that stat and we would say, okay, there was zero deaths

00:14:15.400 today or two deaths or whatever. And we would go to the stats and we would pull out, we would ignore the stats

00:14:20.440 that are there just to wow you. This many people have, yeah, cases. And then suddenly we went to

00:14:26.680 that website and it was gone. Well, the website's still there, but those easy to find stats of when

00:14:33.240 people died and how often they, that was just gone. And now you can get the raw data, but it's not in

00:14:39.400 chart form and you have to be a whiz at data manipulation. This is news I haven't mentioned

00:14:44.920 before. So we put in an access to information request to the city saying, how come you change,

00:14:49.960 like this website was the same for six months? City or the province? City. City of Trump. This

00:14:53.960 website was the same for six months. Why didn't you suddenly change it to make it hard to understand?

00:15:00.440 Like for six months it worked just fine. And they wrote back and said, instead of giving you an access

00:15:05.720 to information that shows the, can we just give you an explanation? And it's, oh, we think there was too

00:15:11.960 much clutter there. And, and we wrote back and said, no, actually we, we don't want your explanation.

00:15:17.160 Can you give us the background documents? It shows what you really, and they're fighting with us. And

00:15:22.280 now they're saying, oh, because of the pandemic, we can't show you the emails. I think, and again,

00:15:27.960 I'm sounding like a bit of a conspiracy theorist here, but why is it that after six months they've

00:15:35.560 changed how they show the data and when we ask for the documents, which is all right under the access

00:15:40.200 information law? They say, oh, no, no, no, no. You don't want to see it. Can we just give you a

00:15:43.800 verbal explanation? Oh, you really insist on seeing it? We're too busy because of the virus.

00:15:50.360 I think that the Occam's razor, the simplest explanation is they actually don't want people

00:15:58.120 to see that we're pretty much in the clear and that we don't need to panic. And bringing in all these

00:16:04.920 mask bylaws in August and September was about six months too late.

00:16:08.440 And a shutdown in Quebec in October, these devastated, crippled restaurants and bars

00:16:13.800 and pubs and other places. And now for effective October 1st, the lockdowns are back in greater

00:16:21.000 Montreal. And it's some of these businesses that are on the verge of death.

00:16:24.200 And Montreal used to have such a wonderful restaurant scene. I just read the story yesterday

00:16:30.040 in Montreal, not a single outbreak was traced to the restaurant industry.

00:16:33.720 So why are you shutting down the restaurant industry, not a single outbreak? Why are you punishing them?

00:16:39.080 And there are no deaths. So I don't know what's going on, but I can tell you whatever's going on is very,

00:16:44.600 very bad because the lockdown harms are, they're killing people, even worse in the third world, 0.68

00:16:51.800 but bad enough in Canada. We've got cancelled surgeries, people not getting their cancer diagnosis,

00:16:57.240 people driven into unemployment and poverty and despair and suicide. We've got opioid deaths,

00:17:03.720 twice as many people in Alberta and British Columbia for sure, and probably in other provinces,

00:17:08.760 twice as many people dying from opioid overdoses than from coronavirus. And those numbers are way

00:17:16.120 up over last year. Why is that? Well, despair. You get unemployment and you destroy livelihoods.

00:17:23.400 And then add in quick cash from Justin Trudeau. And quick cash and unemployment. So the whole thing is,

00:17:30.920 these policies are causing way more damage as compared to any lives that may have been saved.

00:17:37.800 And I have yet to see the evidence on that. You know, there's 50 states in the United States,

00:17:43.480 and each one of them has a lot of authority over their own affairs. You can see disastrous decisions

00:17:48.440 done in New York State. And more diversity than Canadian provinces, because you can go from

00:17:54.840 New York and California, very severe lockdowns, very high death rates.

00:17:57.960 South Dakota, where they never locked down. And Florida that just announced, not only are they

00:18:03.400 removing any lockdown, but the governor of Florida is passing a law superseding any towns and saying,

00:18:10.600 you may not have a mask by law. Good. So not only are you saying, I'm not putting anything on you,

00:18:16.200 but I am removing the power of towns. So you see 50 different competitive approaches to it. And

00:18:26.840 in Canada, theoretically, you could have 10 provinces and three territories,

00:18:31.400 but I think they're walking in lockstep. They're all terrified. I don't see any opposition.

00:18:35.560 In the States, there's sort of a bifurcation of Republicans and Democrats. In Canada, I can't name a

00:18:43.000 single... Elective representative. Yeah. Now, Jason Kenney, and I accept the fact that you're

00:18:48.520 challenging his... Bill 10, he's a dangerous authoritarian. What I would say to you is every

00:18:56.280 other jurisdiction is worse. But I see no courage to dissent from this pandemic panic. I think it's

00:19:06.680 just like I said, every single... Well, we saw an inkling of it. I was thrilled and surprised.

00:19:10.920 Jason Kenney, a few weeks ago, I think it was in, it could have been August or September. He actually

00:19:17.480 said publicly that the lockdowns are doing a lot of harms and we have to take that into account.

00:19:23.800 I don't remember the exact words, but it was like, wow. Okay. So like I said, Jason Kenney is...

00:19:29.000 Yeah. But is he going to follow through on that? We're still under lockdown in Alberta.

00:19:32.760 Maybe not as badly as in Ontario and Quebec, but the kids are forced to wear masks in school,

00:19:38.600 which is... perpetuates fear and perpetuates this false notion that COVID is an unusually

00:19:45.560 deadly killer and is based on the false notion that children are at risk when they're not. So it's,

00:19:52.120 you know, symbols are important. And to force kids to wear masks is...

00:19:56.120 Oh, it's going to... We're going to have 20 years of psychological problems from this, especially

00:20:02.520 kids in that awkward age, teenagers, and even kids learning how to socialize. I mean, communication

00:20:08.600 with a mask, it's not... It's not the same.

00:20:10.760 It's crazy. Well, let me ask you this. You, I mean, we've talked about the pandemic

00:20:15.160 epidemiologically and politically and jurisdictionally, but you are a lawyer and you

00:20:21.080 are the boss of the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms, which is, in my view,

00:20:28.920 really the only true civil liberties public interest law firm in Canada. The Canadian

00:20:33.640 Civil Liberties Association has been... They're good on free speech, but yeah.

00:20:37.880 You know what? They haven't done much at all on this lockdown. I'm a donor to them. They called me up

00:20:44.760 thinking they could liberate more money from me. All they wanted to talk about is Black Lives Matter. 0.83

00:20:49.560 I said to them, I can't believe I said this, John. I said to the fundraiser,

00:20:54.920 you just wouldn't stop talking about Black Lives Matter. So we're in the middle of the pandemic 1.00

00:20:58.040 lockdown. I said, all right, let's make a deal. There's this street, Eglinton West,

00:21:02.520 where there's about a dozen Jamaican barber shops in two blocks. It's amazing. They were all locked

00:21:07.880 down. I said, I'll give you $5,000 donation. If you take the case of one of these black barbers, 1.00

00:21:13.240 if you're obsessed with Black Lives Matter, okay, let's champion a black... Make sure that black people can

00:21:18.280 earn a living and not live in poverty. They wouldn't take the case. I mean,

00:21:22.360 not that they would follow them. They were trying to get money from me. I said, I'll give you five

00:21:26.040 large if you do that. I think they're asleep at the switch. I don't understand it. Left wing,

00:21:33.400 right wing, everyone's in this. So much of the media is compliant. The police are compliant.

00:21:40.360 I don't know where the center of opposition is, but I know you guys are really digging in on it.

00:21:46.680 Are you suing to challenge any provisions somewhere in Canada?

00:21:50.840 Well, we've taken on a few ticket cases similar to the ones that the rebel has been,

00:21:55.560 you know, very generously and helpfully helping to raise money. And so we've taken on some ticket

00:22:01.880 cases. We've sued the Kennedy government in Alberta over Bill 10, which gives the cabinet ministers

00:22:08.440 the power to write laws on the fly without any legislative input.

00:22:15.000 That's one of the worst parts of this whole pandemic is there's just no oversight, let alone

00:22:19.960 opposition. What we're gearing up for, we are working on a large paper that's going to document

00:22:26.920 the lockdown harms in every province and different kinds of harms and number of deaths and so on.

00:22:32.840 We're gearing up for a situation where we will be in a place to have a strong foundation for court

00:22:39.800 action. Because as you know, you don't want to just invent a court action and walk into court the

00:22:44.600 next day, right? You want to have all your ducks lined up, right? So the lockdown under the charter,

00:22:50.280 because these measures very clearly violate our charter freedoms to move, travel, associate,

00:22:55.960 assemble, worship. Because they violate charter freedoms, the onus is on the government to show

00:23:02.840 the lockdowns... There's minimal impairment, proportionality. Proportionality.

00:23:06.120 So more good than harm. The government must show that there's more good coming from lockdown measures

00:23:12.760 than harm. Yeah, they can't show that now.

00:23:15.480 Well, this is where... And you know what's infuriating is they're supposed to at least study it

00:23:21.160 objectively. They're not even... There's not a single government in Canada that I'm aware of

00:23:25.640 that has said, you know, yeah, we're actually going to take a hard look at all of the lockdown

00:23:29.880 harms. And they have the resources, the manpower to do that. Yeah, the two things on that. If I

00:23:35.160 recall, the city of Edmonton brought in a mask bottle. They didn't even pretend there was medical

00:23:39.560 science. They said, oh, it's... Makes people feel good. Yeah, and it's popular. It's popular.

00:23:44.680 That's not... Makes people feel safe. It's just like, you know, in 20 years, the TSA agents at the

00:23:51.960 airport have never caught a terrorist, but it's security theater. This is public health theater.

00:23:57.160 Theater. Public health theater. You know, you talk about all the resources in the government.

00:24:02.920 Not a single government worker in this entire country has lost their job.

00:24:06.600 They've lost their work. A lot of them are working from home, getting full pay.

00:24:10.680 Layoffs have been pretty... There have been some municipal level layoffs here and there,

00:24:13.560 but by and large... Not that I would wish anyone out of a job, but

00:24:17.320 the ruling class that's bringing in the lockdowns is by and large immune. Yes.

00:24:21.800 If judges, MPs, senators, police, the enforcers of this lockdown, bylaw officers,

00:24:30.600 if they face layoffs, like working people... This is a class thing. Yes.

00:24:35.720 I'm not a Marxist. I'm just saying, isn't it funny? It's public sector.

00:24:39.000 The public sector and their courtiers, the media party, everyone who's loving...

00:24:43.960 There's a big difference between a medical doctor that treats a patient and a public health doctor

00:24:50.760 that regards patients as ants in an ant colony. So you say you're putting together a documented,

00:24:56.280 factual basis of how there's more harm than good from these lockdowns. I hope that's the...

00:25:02.440 And that's going to be the basis for a court action. Yeah. Well, listen, we're going to force

00:25:07.160 the government to actually have to justify itself in court. Right now, they're just coasting along,

00:25:12.920 saying, you know, oh, Ezra, relax. We've saved thousands of lives. You should be grateful for

00:25:17.000 what we've done. And there's no evidence they've saved thousands of lives. Well, I tell you, we

00:25:21.240 will support you journalistically. There may be a way that we can support legally, crowdfunding,

00:25:27.080 whatever. Someone's got to do it. And here's the thing. I did my show the other day about this.

00:25:33.160 I looked to the United Kingdom. I looked to Australia. I looked to New Zealand. I looked to

00:25:36.440 other jurisdictions that are similar to us. We are very similar to Australia and New Zealand.

00:25:40.360 And I see indefinite detentions of people, not who have the cough, but who just don't want to be

00:25:48.520 tested. I see that's come to Quebec now. You don't want to be tested. You're locked up till you do.

00:25:55.400 No judge, no appeal, just unlimited detention. And yet, if you were running a child prostitution

00:26:02.120 ring in your basement, they'd have to go get a warrant from a judge before, you know, you'd have all

00:26:06.920 these, you'd have all these defenses.

00:26:08.520 Montreal has rolled out those new mobile arrests. Like they've got, they're trying out all sorts of

00:26:13.000 new things. I'm telling you that we are a paper-thin step away, legally, politically,

00:26:19.320 police-wise, from what I see in Australia and New Zealand and UK. There's no cultural difference.

00:26:23.480 There's no legal, very little legal difference between us and those other jurisdictions. If we

00:26:27.640 don't have some counterweight, Justin Trudeau is dumber than other world leaders, but he is just as 0.99

00:26:33.800 authoritarian. And I think the time will come when he says, ah, not only will I exercise power 0.99

00:26:39.720 for its own sake, but I'll take this opportunity to whack my opponents. You see it in Quebec City.

00:26:46.120 They're trying to censor Chois FM, a skeptical radio station. All the government agencies are

00:26:51.880 pulling their ad money and denouncing it because they're a public health danger. They're using the

00:26:57.160 public health excuse to shut down a radio station in Quebec. That's got to be 10 seconds away in English,

00:27:03.640 Canada. And I'm worried about that. John, it's great to catch up with you. JCCF.ca

00:27:09.400 Correct.

00:27:09.880 Is the website.

00:27:10.680 Yes.

00:27:10.920 You issue charitable tax receipts too, so that's a bonus.

00:27:13.880 In the past, we've done some crowdfunding for you. I really enjoyed doing that. If there's

00:27:17.240 things we can help you out with in the future, let us know. But otherwise, folks, I encourage you

00:27:21.320 to support John. I've said this before. You've heard me say this before. John is a true civil

00:27:26.600 liberties champion in a country that lacks those. On free speech, obviously, you're very strong on

00:27:32.440 that. But during the pandemic, there's cowardice on all the traditional civil libertarians. And

00:27:37.560 you've been generous in your praise for the Canadian Civil Liberties Association. I do not

00:27:41.400 share your view. And I'm a member and a donor of theirs. I think they've been hitting that snooze

00:27:45.800 button. They're a drowsy lifeguard when there's people drowning out there. John, keep up the fight

00:27:51.320 and keep us posted. We're not through this by any stretch.

00:27:54.840 Oh, no. Oh, no. This is the permanent. This is the new normal. This is the new normal.

00:27:58.680 And we're not accepting the new normal. We're going to fight it. Yeah. All right. There you have it.

00:28:03.320 John Carpe, one of the good guys. Pleasure to sit down with him and talk about this at length.

00:28:07.960 We'll keep in touch with him and his staff lawyers in the months ahead. That's our show for today.

00:28:14.040 On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - October 03, 2020

Civil liberties lawyer John Carpay on Canada's collective germaphobia

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