Rebel News Podcast - Conservatives can accept losing an election, but they won't accept being robbed

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Today, I go through the morning after the night before of the U.S.

00:00:05.380 election. I ask the question, well, it's one thing to lose an election, but what's it like to be

00:00:10.240 robbed of an election? It's a question a lot of Republicans are surely asking themselves now.

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00:00:33.600 podcast today. Tonight, Republicans can accept losing an election, but just don't think they

00:00:53.960 accept being robbed of an election. It's November 4th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

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00:01:13.180 bloody right to do so.

00:01:19.140 We don't yet know who won the U.S. presidential election. That's an incredible thing to say.

00:01:24.120 But we know who lost the experts of the political class. The pollsters, the pundits,

00:01:29.360 the panelists on CNN. They all got it wrong. They all talked about Trump being destroyed,

00:01:34.400 about a landslide for Biden. They talked about winning the White House and the Senate and the

00:01:39.180 House of Representatives. And that just did not happen. It looks like the Republicans will lose

00:01:43.520 nets. One Senate seat, so they'll still retain control. And incredibly, the Republicans look like

00:01:49.360 they picked up a few seats in Congress. As I write this, results aren't fully in, but that's how it is

00:01:55.800 right now as I read this. In the last few days, Trump crisscrossed America very strategically,

00:02:01.500 back and forth amongst Michigan, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Florida. And wouldn't you

00:02:05.740 know it, those were exactly the key battleground states for him. He needed mighty Florida, and he got it.

00:02:11.600 Incredibly, Latinos voted for him en masse, especially those who had fled the Cuban Communist 0.51

00:02:17.100 regime. And a new cohort of Venezolanos, those who fled Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro from Venezuela.

00:02:24.100 I love that Latinos for Trump music video ad makes me want to dance. But look at this.

00:02:29.460 Look at the 2016 election results for Miami-Dade County. It's a huge county, lots of Latino voters.

00:02:35.200 Hillary crushed Trump there. Huge margin in 2016. But look at it last night. Trump almost closed the

00:02:40.940 gap. It was so close. If my math is right, 200,000 more people in that town went to Trump. It didn't

00:02:48.020 flip the county to red, but it ensured that statewide Trump won handily. Isn't that fascinating? I guess

00:02:54.280 they saw the socialism twinkling in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's eyes and realized we've seen this

00:03:00.260 movie before. If you live in Cuba or Venezuela, you have somewhere to run. You can run to America.

00:03:06.220 But if you live in America, you have nowhere left to run.

00:03:12.080 That result came up quickly in Florida. Trump picked up the states that he needed to and didn't

00:03:16.520 seem to lose any along the way. And it came down to those states of the Midwest where he had campaigned

00:03:21.740 furiously. Ohio, automakers, fracking. Trump nailed it. And as the night went on, he took the lead in

00:03:28.800 Wisconsin, took the lead in Michigan, took the lead in Pennsylvania, all Rust Belt states that Trump

00:03:33.540 had carried last time. He needed at least two of them this time. And what made it extra interesting

00:03:38.540 was that Trump was doing well with minority voters, not just Latinos. Trump's support amongst black men

00:03:44.060 and women, Latino men and women, gay men and women, rose dramatically. It was the highest support from

00:03:49.720 minorities for a Republican since the 1960s. Would that help him in places like Philadelphia or Detroit?

00:03:56.620 Maybe Trump was actually leading until they just stopped counting votes. Hang on, hang on. It's

00:04:06.100 election night and you're tired because it's late? You didn't know maybe it was going to be election

00:04:11.580 night? You didn't have four years to plan? You need your beauty sleep? You need to go home now? And

00:04:17.160 you're just, you're just shutting down and going home. They did because these are Democratic governors

00:04:24.540 who count the votes for the national presidential debate. So it was shut down. It was frozen. Trump

00:04:31.020 was in the lead everywhere. But Biden had a press conference. He spoke first. He said he was on the

00:04:37.240 track to win. I'm here to tell you tonight, we believe we're on track to win this election.

00:04:47.160 We knew because of the unprecedented early vote and the mail-in vote that it's going to take a while.

00:04:55.120 We're going to have to be patient until we, uh, the hard work of tallying votes is finished.

00:05:01.100 And it ain't over till every vote is counted. Every ballot is counted.

00:05:10.280 But we're feeling good. We're feeling good about where we are.

00:05:14.480 We believe one of the nets has suggested we've already won Arizona, but we're confident about

00:05:20.940 Arizona. That's a turnaround.

00:05:24.040 Including in Arizona. But in fact, that wasn't true. Arizona was very much in contention. As I

00:05:28.500 write this, various news agencies have retracted their premature conclusion that Arizona went to

00:05:33.500 the Democrats. Who knows? But boy, it sure seemed like the media was eager to declare a state for

00:05:38.900 Biden, but slow to declare one for Trump. Maybe they just couldn't believe it. You know, if the

00:05:44.460 media had set up, uh, for example, the New York Times, they set up a website with lists of states

00:05:50.500 that they thought were battlegrounds. They had a few different gradations, um, states that would be

00:05:56.120 for sure for Biden, like California. Leans Biden. Toss up. Leans Trump or for sure Trump. But they were

00:06:03.940 wrong on all of them, except for the for sure Bidens. Trump exceeded all expectations. Like I

00:06:10.340 say, uh, the media lost, the pundits lost, the pollsters lost, except for unlike the politicians,

00:06:15.460 they didn't lose their jobs, did they? Maybe the media companies were slow to recognize Trump's

00:06:19.160 successes because it was their own failure that was demonstrated, or maybe because it was Biden's

00:06:24.080 failure that was demonstrated. And of course, the media, as always, are auxiliaries of the Democrats,

00:06:29.140 like they are of the Liberal Party in this country. Now that allowed Biden to preposterously say he was

00:06:34.340 on the road for victory. Preposterous in that at that moment, Trump was in fact leading in enough

00:06:40.140 states to make it not even close. Here's the CBC's homepage at that wonderful moment. But like I say,

00:06:46.820 in the dead of night, so many things happened. Like more than 100,000 votes simply being dumped

00:06:52.300 into the Democratic category in the dead of night. Does that make sense? 100% of them went into the

00:06:56.980 Democrat column. Is that right? I thought they had stopped counting. How did that work? And what's

00:07:03.120 with this? This is the Pennsylvania Attorney General, a Democrat, tweeting before the vote even began,

00:07:08.160 he said, if all the votes are added up in Pennsylvania, Trump is going to lose. That's

00:07:13.980 why he's working over time to subtract as many votes as possible from this process. For the record,

00:07:18.220 he's 0 for 6 against us in court. We've protected voting rights. Now ignore the noise vote.

00:07:22.400 Okay, hang on. How does the Attorney General know in advance that his party was going to win?

00:07:29.780 Is that a responsible thing to say if you're the senior lawmaker for a state that you were going

00:07:34.000 to win before the votes are even cast? Is that a guess by him or a prediction or a statement? Or is

00:07:39.700 it a command to everyone who works with him in the state, everyone counting the ballots? You're the

00:07:44.060 Attorney General. You're the one who's rigged the rules. Imagine if a Republican Attorney General

00:07:48.860 said that in a battleground state, let's say like Florida. And then surprise, announced literally

00:07:55.780 millions more votes to come, but only after you figured out how many votes you need to beat Trump.

00:08:03.020 Republicans lose and abide the loss. It's part of the rule of law, the conservative belief in rules.

00:08:08.700 If you agree to the rules of a game in advance, and if the game is played fairly, you take the loss.

00:08:13.980 But what if the rules were changed by lawyers at the last minute? And what if they were clearly

00:08:20.560 applied in a way that was unfair and secretive? What if Republican vote scrutineers are kicked out?

00:08:26.220 Here's an image of windows in a vote count room being boarded up so no one can see.

00:08:34.040 What if this was the same jiggery pokery that the Democrats are famous for in their big cities

00:08:39.700 since forever? Then it's not magnanimous to take the loss because you didn't lose fair and square.

00:08:44.680 Then it's not being the strong, silent type to take the loss. Then it's being,

00:08:48.120 in the words of Joe Biden, well, it's being a chump. 0.92

00:08:51.640 I'll work as hard for those who don't support me as those who do, including those chumps with 0.99

00:08:56.480 the microphone out there. Speaking of Joe Biden, he says so many things that are ridiculous.

00:09:00.380 It's hard to know what's real and what was a gaffe or a brain fart. I think this is the latter.

00:09:06.360 Yeah, I don't think he meant to say that. I think that was an accident. But what about this?

00:09:15.200 Secondly, we're in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration,

00:09:23.300 the President Obama's administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most

00:09:29.380 extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.

00:09:40.140 You think that was an accident? Who knows with Joe Biden? But if the Democrats would do anything,

00:09:46.320 say anything to derail a Supreme Court appointment, like literally accuse a judge in front of his family

00:09:53.100 of being a serial rapist when he was in college with no factual basis, no evidence,

00:09:59.460 if you would smear a man that way in front of his family, in front of the country, just to stop the appointment

00:10:03.620 of him to the court, if you would riot and burn down your own cities just to own the orange man 0.68

00:10:08.940 and sow feelings of chaos in the community, if you would do that during non-election times,

00:10:13.380 imagine what you would do during elections themselves.

00:10:16.100 I read that some Senate races saw Democrats spending more than $100 million on one Senate race,

00:10:23.740 just for one Senate seat. I can't even fathom that. North Carolina, for example,

00:10:27.960 barely 10 million people in the state, so it's about the size of Alberta plus BC, population-wise.

00:10:33.140 Imagine spending $100 million on a single candidate in something that small, and losing, by the way.

00:10:38.780 So yeah, they would literally do anything to beat Trump. And they despised him with the fire

00:10:44.460 of a hundred sons. Trump said what he saw. He was being robbed. It's not a matter of counting every vote.

00:10:50.460 It's a matter of counting every legal vote, every verifiable vote. Not every vote found, surprisingly,

00:10:57.700 4 a.m. when the scrutineers were sent home.

00:11:00.060 We have so many. We had such a big night. You just take a look at all of these states that we've won tonight,

00:11:07.200 and then you take a look at the kind of margins that we've won them by, and all of a sudden,

00:11:12.300 it's not like we're up 12 votes and we have 60 percent left. We won states, and all of a sudden,

00:11:20.300 I said, what happened to the election? It's off. And we have all these announcers saying,

00:11:26.260 what happened? And then they said, oh, because you know what happened? They knew they couldn't win,

00:11:33.260 so they said, let's go to court. And did I predict this, Newt? Did I say this? I've been saying this

00:11:40.680 from the day I heard they were going to send out tens of millions of ballots. I said exactly

00:11:46.240 because either they were going to win, or if they didn't win, they'll take us to court.

00:11:51.760 Florida. Florida was a tremendous victory, 377,000. Texas, as we said. Ohio. Think of this.

00:12:06.280 Ohio, a tremendous state, a big state. I love Ohio. We won by 8.1 percent, 461. Think of it.

00:12:14.480 Almost 500,000 votes. North Carolina. Big victory with North Carolina. And so we won there. We lead by

00:12:25.640 76,000 votes with almost nothing left. And all of a sudden, everything just stopped.

00:12:32.660 This is a fraud on the American public. This is an embarrassment to our country.

00:12:41.740 We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election.

00:12:47.980 We did win this election.

00:12:52.820 So our goal now is to ensure the integrity for the good of this nation. This is a very big moment.

00:13:00.300 This is a major fraud on our nation. We want the law to be used in a proper manner.

00:13:09.040 So we'll be going to the U.S. Supreme Court. We want all voting to stop. We don't want them to find

00:13:17.800 any ballots at 4 o'clock in the morning and add them to the list. Okay? It's a very sad moment.

00:13:28.260 And all of this, all of this curiosity, all this newness in the rigged rules, the changed rules,

00:13:33.240 all the risk and irregularity, the stopping the count when Trump was ahead. Well, on top of all of

00:13:37.960 that, Twitter and the social media companies just started to censor anyone who questions

00:13:42.440 what went on. Imagine that. Trust is low to begin with in America. Trust was lowered by rejigging the

00:13:48.260 voting rules by lawyer. Trust was lower still when the count was surprisingly stopped and then

00:13:53.120 restarted. And now social media companies are banning you from asking simple questions, banning

00:13:59.280 the president himself. Look at this simple question the president asks. And you have to click through

00:14:05.960 Twitter's warning to see what he was referring to. Twitter will not let you see it. You have to click

00:14:11.400 view after you read a warning. And then you have to click through the next warning to see what he was

00:14:15.580 referring to. And then on and on. It literally takes six clicks and six warnings to get to the

00:14:21.120 hidden truth. When I was a kid, politicians censored the media. Now the media censors politicians.

00:14:28.100 I don't think that's an improvement. I don't know how this is going to end. If it were the shoe on the

00:14:33.340 other foot, Republican governors foiling a Democratic candidate in a battleground state. Let's say Florida

00:14:39.500 tried to rig the rules there. They didn't. But let's say they would have. There would be a hundred

00:14:44.460 riots across America now against rule rigging by Republicans. But that's not what Republicans do.

00:14:50.280 I don't know. Maybe everything in this election really is legit. I suppose that's technically

00:14:56.020 possible. But this is the crew of destroyers. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. They

00:15:01.740 spent the last four years refusing to accept Trump's 2016 victory. They undermined him. They impeached him.

00:15:07.840 They accused him of everything. But after the fact, it was evident that they were actually accusing

00:15:12.800 him of doing everything that they themselves were doing. And so it will be here. Joe Biden falsely

00:15:18.740 declared himself the winner. Trump objected. And yet Trump is the one being called the fascist,

00:15:23.480 the liar. And America's reputation as the epitome of democracy is being eroded, not just in the eyes of

00:15:29.160 the world. I mean, of course, they're laughing. They're loving this in China. But I'm talking about

00:15:34.320 in the eyes of Americans themselves. Half the country didn't lose last night. Half the country

00:15:42.440 is being robbed in slow motion. And they see it. And that's a very different feeling than losing,

00:15:49.380 isn't it? Stay with us for more.

00:16:03.660 We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election.

00:16:09.540 So our goal now is to ensure the integrity for the good of this nation. This is a very big moment.

00:16:23.160 This is a major fraud in our nation. We want the law to be used in a proper manner. So we'll be going

00:16:31.940 to the U.S. Supreme Court. We want all voting to stop. We don't want them to find any ballots at

00:16:40.780 four o'clock in the morning and add them to the list. OK?

00:16:45.560 That was Donald Trump very late last night saying that there's a little bit of, well,

00:16:51.220 as Joe Biden would put it, malarkey going on. Joining us now via Skype from Los Angeles,

00:16:56.560 deep blue territory is our friend Joel Pollack, senior editor at large at Breitbart.com.

00:17:02.720 Joel, I think the story of the night until around, I don't know, 2 a.m., was Trump was slowly but

00:17:09.440 surely putting together his path to victory. Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Iowa. And then

00:17:17.400 in those key states where he had a frenzied campaign in the last week, Wisconsin, Michigan,

00:17:23.400 Pennsylvania, all of a sudden, they stopped counting. They discovered millions more ballots.

00:17:28.960 They said this is going to take days. Donald Trump thinks he's being robbed. What do you think?

00:17:36.240 It's hard to know. And I think Republicans will feel that this entire process is a kind of theft,

00:17:44.520 because as you and I have discussed before, the changes that were made at the behest of Democratic

00:17:50.300 lawyers to allow this vote by mail system in states that didn't have it before or to expand it in

00:17:57.080 states that had it, but on a limited scale and to relax the rules and so forth. That was key to

00:18:02.000 Democratic Party plans on election day and the weeks leading up to it. And Trump has been warning for

00:18:07.560 months that they would try to use it to deny him a victory on election night and then claim victory in

00:18:13.600 the days that followed. So on a macro level, in terms of overall process, I think it is a form of

00:18:21.160 theft in the sense that these rules were changed largely without the consent of the electorate.

00:18:28.240 In a couple of states that are already governed by Democrats, the state governments went along with

00:18:34.360 some of the changes. But in general, these changes were imposed on people. And the standards

00:18:42.180 vary from state to state, even within Democratic governed states, depending on what the court's

00:18:49.300 decisions were in different states or in different federal circuits. So it's all a mess.

00:18:53.920 And Democrats appear to have intended it to turn out that way because they had lawyered up months ago,

00:19:00.740 led by this guy named Mark Elias, who was also the lawyer who funded the Fusion GPS

00:19:05.480 opposition firm that created the Russia dossier back in 2016. So a lot of the same bad characters are

00:19:11.400 returned. I don't mean that as an aspersion on his personal character. I have no idea

00:19:15.040 if he's a nice person or not, but the tactics he's used are certainly shady. And so that's now

00:19:21.820 being cited by the president and by his supporters as an example of a kind of theft or fraud. And I think

00:19:29.180 they have a coherent case. At the same time, I think the Biden campaign is making a coherent case

00:19:34.040 that if you just take the ballots that were cast, they feel that they likely have a path to 270

00:19:41.600 electoral votes. That's not clear yet. And the ballots are still being counted. We may know some

00:19:46.900 more results in the next few hours, next few days. The election is still very much up in the air.

00:19:51.680 Joel, today, the president tweeted a very short question, and he was referring to a tweet with an

00:19:58.460 image of a vote count, I think it was in Michigan, that suddenly over a hundred thousand new votes

00:20:06.640 were just discovered and added to the Democrat column, 100% of them. And there was over a hundred

00:20:14.420 thousand of them. And Trump simply said, what's going on here? And he was retweeting someone else

00:20:19.240 who said, this alone is worth going to court to explain. And yet Twitter censored the president,

00:20:25.720 censored the person. The president was retweeting, censored the person he was retweeting. You had

00:20:30.280 to click. Yes, I want to view this dangerous information. You had to click it six times to

00:20:35.980 get all the way to the root of it. That just makes me feel like there's more rigging going on because

00:20:42.760 you're not even allowed to ask questions about the anomalies. We're in an anomalous situation,

00:20:48.520 perhaps unprecedented in America. A lot of people are going to have questions.

00:20:53.480 Let the questions be asked and let them be answered by trying to muffle the question asking.

00:20:59.040 It sure looks like there's a rigging going on, either by social media companies or Democrats,

00:21:04.520 or maybe that's even the same thing these days. What do you make about the fact that

00:21:07.940 anyone who talks about this mess is being called a disinformation liar?

00:21:13.520 Well, I don't like the practice of social media companies labeling political tweets they don't

00:21:22.880 like. In that case, all the president was doing was asking a question. And the person who put that

00:21:29.960 tweet up probably shouldn't have done it because I think it's a general good practice not to

00:21:37.360 make accusations of voter fraud when we really just don't know what's going on,

00:21:42.820 at least on the on the micro level. As I said earlier, my criticism is of the process at a macro

00:21:47.400 level, which Republicans feel and I think with justification to be a kind of fraud or theft.

00:21:53.160 But on the micro level, we just don't know. It's very, very difficult sitting in Texas or Los

00:21:59.020 Angeles or Washington, D.C. even to know what's going on when ballots are being counted in Michigan.

00:22:04.860 And in this case, the person who put up that tweet later deleted it. They were

00:22:08.120 apparently in contact with someone in Michigan who explained that there was a typo in local

00:22:13.360 reporting. And so there was a misreport of the number of ballots or the percentage for Joe Biden.

00:22:20.360 What is happening is if you look at the graph, there's a graph that's circulating out there of

00:22:27.320 votes over time. Biden goes up in these discrete little jumps. And that's because

00:22:34.580 he is getting piles of mailed in ballots added to his total. Not all of the mail in ballots go for

00:22:43.360 Joe Biden, but he is winning them by enough of a margin that it looks more pronounced on the graph.

00:22:50.820 That is to say, Trump will go up, but it looks more like a regular increase on the curve. And Biden

00:22:59.520 goes up by so much that it looks like a discrete vertical leap. So it looks a little odd. And

00:23:06.300 it reinforces the idea that this vote by mail process, which is new in many states,

00:23:11.920 is really an invitation for chaos. Remember that traditionally, the people who want to vote

00:23:19.760 show up to vote or request an absentee ballot. Voting is not something you're required to do in the

00:23:25.720 United States. So it's not really universal. The electorate is the electorate that decides to show

00:23:30.380 up. What Democrats did in these states, and again, only in the states they wanted to win. They didn't

00:23:35.260 do this everywhere, although they tried to do it on a federal level in a bill that had other

00:23:39.400 malevolent intentions. What they did in these battleground states was they vastly expanded the

00:23:45.820 potential electorate. And Donald Trump called it out from the beginning, saying this is going to be a

00:23:51.180 huge problem. And they now appear to have reaped the results of that strategy in Michigan, in

00:23:57.560 Wisconsin, maybe in Pennsylvania, other states where this was part of their strategy. Now, again,

00:24:03.580 we don't know what the final result is going to be, but I've been out there saying that in close

00:24:08.940 elections like this, we should not leave the decision up to lawyers or unelected judges or local

00:24:16.000 ballot counting officials or even to electors, the electoral college who have been subject to

00:24:23.680 threats and pressure before. I think we should leave this to the House of Representatives to

00:24:27.940 decide. We actually have a provision in the Constitution that hasn't been used since 1824

00:24:32.320 that allows the House of Representatives to choose the president in the event that there's some kind of

00:24:38.300 a deadlock. And each state gets one vote in the House. And each state casts its vote in the

00:24:44.760 candidate with a majority wins and becomes the president. We used it in 1824 to elect John

00:24:50.760 Quincy Adams, who was a single term president, not a particularly good president. But that's how we

00:24:56.940 should do this. We should do this because it's the only way to make sure that the people choosing

00:25:01.560 the president have to face the voters again. It's the only way to make sure there's some

00:25:05.020 accountability. And Democrats will probably push back on it because Republicans have the majority of

00:25:11.640 state delegations in the House of Representatives, even if right now, at least they have a numerical

00:25:16.220 minority, a very small numerical minority. But I would be happier with that process, even if Joe 0.83

00:25:22.640 Biden wins. I don't like the idea of having unelected lawyers, judges and so forth pick our

00:25:29.500 president. And I can tell you with great credibility, Ezra, that I would accept the result

00:25:34.640 if it went the other way, because back in 2000, when I was still a Democrat and having just graduated

00:25:40.400 from university and Bush versus Gore was deadlocked, I had exactly the same opinion. I thought that it

00:25:47.500 should not have gone to the courts because the courts are sacrosanct in a way. The judiciary is

00:25:52.780 supposed to be independent. And that case, Bush versus Gore, did diminish the judiciary in the eyes

00:25:58.040 of many people in the United States. It allowed Democrats at least to permanently politicize

00:26:02.120 debates about the judiciary. And it should have been decided in the House of Representatives,

00:26:06.900 even though at the time, had the House decided the presidency, it would have gone to George W. Bush

00:26:12.680 anyway. But I agreed with the minority view of Stephen Breyer on the Supreme Court, who said at the

00:26:20.360 time that the court should not have taken up that case. And I think it should have been left in the

00:26:24.620 chaos it was in and either awarded to George Bush on the basis of Florida's decision, or if you leave

00:26:31.560 Florida out and there's no majority, it should have gone straight to the House of Representatives. 0.96

00:26:37.020 I actually think the framers of our constitution knew what they were doing. They knew that there

00:26:40.760 would be situations like this. They probably couldn't have imagined mail-in ballots, which I think is a

00:26:45.780 unique practice, practically speaking, in the United States. And I don't recommend it for other

00:26:50.180 countries. It's a complete disaster. I mean, third world countries don't even do this. But, you know, 1.00

00:26:55.460 the framers gave us a solution. I don't know how popular it will be, but perhaps if this gets tied up in the

00:27:00.220 courts and the Electoral College can't decide, this will become the way we have to go.

00:27:05.120 Was the phrase Trump derangement syndrome. We heard that also with Obama. I mean, some people were

00:27:11.560 extremely emotionally opposed to Obama. Same with George W. Bush before him. Partisans can be very

00:27:17.240 revved up. And I'm probably one of them, frankly. But I think that I observe that when John McCain lost

00:27:25.580 to Obama and when Mitt Romney lost to Obama, I think Republicans and foreigners who support

00:27:34.100 Republicans like me thought, well, fair is fair. They ran the rules of the game. There may have been

00:27:40.600 marginal cases of cheating, but they actually got thumped by the guy. All right, let's fix things,

00:27:46.140 do better next time. And one of the remedies was the Republican Party chose a fighter rather than,

00:27:50.720 you know, a log roller friendly Boy Scout. I guess what I'm saying is I think Republicans

00:27:58.620 can actually handle a loss pretty well because it's part of the conservative mindset. You play by

00:28:04.680 the rules you lost. You accept your loss with some dignity. You don't flip over the game board.

00:28:10.240 I think that would apply here, too. I think that Republicans would accept a loss of Donald Trump,

00:28:16.980 even though there's so many high emotions, if it felt like it was a clean loss, if it felt like it

00:28:23.800 was a loss on election night by a significant margin. I'm worried that Joe Biden is going to win

00:28:30.360 through this legal jiggery-pokery. I'm worried that they're going to, I mean, the people who would

00:28:35.580 literally accuse Brett Kavanaugh of being a rapist, that's how extreme they would go. The people who say

00:28:42.000 they will pack the court, the people, well, of course they'll pack the ballot box by using mail-in.

00:28:47.900 So my point is, I think Republicans are going to wind up losing. I think Joe Biden's going to wind

00:28:52.860 up winning through this trickery. But I think it's going to so poison the well that Republicans who

00:28:58.760 normally would say, well, we lost, like they did in 2008, 2012, are now going to be turned against

00:29:04.780 the system in a way that I don't know has ever happened before. What do you think of that?

00:29:09.780 I think that's one possibility. I think it's too early to say. And I am resisting any kind of

00:29:21.220 speculations about that just yet. I think it's very, very early. People are emotional. People

00:29:27.000 are tired. Many people were up very late. And it's very hard for me to sense the feelings of

00:29:33.180 other Republicans, except through social media. And of course, the people on social media are always

00:29:38.460 the people with the strongest opinions. So it's very hard to know. I will say this. I always try to

00:29:44.240 look forward at what we can do now. And let's look at the election slightly differently. The

00:29:53.220 Democrat and Republican voters, each defeated, can be said to have defeated what they believed was the

00:30:03.120 worst aspect of the other side. Republicans, for example, won Florida largely on the strength of

00:30:11.240 their opposition to Black Lives Matter and their opposition to defund the police. Democrats are

00:30:18.020 giving credit to Republicans for that. Democrats have said openly that Black Lives Matter cost them

00:30:24.400 the support of many Hispanic voters in Florida. And that, with other socialist elements of the

00:30:31.400 Democratic Party agenda, really turned off Cuban and Venezuelan voters who are a big part of the

00:30:35.860 voter, a big part of the electorate in Florida. So Republicans sent a message to Democrats that

00:30:41.180 rioting, that defund the police, these are not winning propositions in Hispanic communities. I mean,

00:30:47.980 Hispanic vote went toward Trump in a big way. He didn't win it outright nationwide, but he certainly 0.94

00:30:53.320 improved his performance, and very markedly so in some places, over defund the police.

00:30:58.900 In a similar way, Ohio, which Joe Biden had hoped to win, went heavily for Donald Trump. And one of

00:31:06.200 the reasons it went heavily for Donald Trump was Joe Biden's attack on the fossil fuel industry.

00:31:11.080 Remember that Ohio and Pennsylvania are now enjoying a boom because of fracking. The Marcellus

00:31:16.860 Shale play over there has really revolutionized the economies of Ohio and Pennsylvania. It's given life

00:31:23.380 to these Rust Belt cities and towns. And Trump stands for that industry, and Biden stands against

00:31:30.680 it. And Biden's performance in the last debate was something that Ohio rejected when Biden promised to

00:31:36.560 transition from oil. So the voters repudiated those two or three really extreme positions of Joe Biden.

00:31:44.240 At the same time, look at the states that Trump lost where he could have won, perhaps, or where he hoped to

00:31:50.460 win. Arizona, he lost. What is Arizona? Well, Arizona, there are two important things about it,

00:31:55.440 other than Latino voters. And actually, Trump did fairly well among Latino voters relative to 2016.

00:31:59.820 So I don't think that was the reason. Trump lost among older and whiter voters. And there are a lot 0.52

00:32:06.180 of retirees who've moved from the Northeast and the Midwest to Arizona, bringing their politics with

00:32:11.140 them. So that may have affected things. But also, Arizona is the old stomping ground of the late

00:32:16.380 John McCain. And John McCain is the number one example that Joe Biden brings up and other people

00:32:21.580 bring up when they want to talk about why they don't like Donald Trump's style of politics, that

00:32:26.340 he traded insults with John McCain. And Cindy McCain was part of the Biden team, essentially. 1.00

00:32:33.260 Plus, there are a lot of Mormons in Arizona. And Mitt Romney, who is very prominent in the Mormon

00:32:38.460 community, was also a very prominent antagonist of Donald Trump. So the fact that Trump has a kind of

00:32:45.800 rough demeanor may have cost him Arizona. Now, again, Arizona is still being counted as we speak.

00:32:51.260 So he may yet end up winning Arizona. I should say that. But it certainly made the race closer,

00:32:56.220 I think, to have this ongoing feud with the McCain family and with Mitt Romney, even though

00:33:01.200 Trump didn't pick either one of those fights. They started them. Likewise with Minnesota, you know,

00:33:06.680 we have this saying in the U.S. I'm sure you've heard it. Minnesota nice. The idea that people from

00:33:11.940 Minnesota are simply very polite and nice, hardworking and tough and so forth, but Minnesota

00:33:17.460 nice. And Trump is not Minnesota nice. Trump is New York mean. And if that's what you didn't like

00:33:24.300 about Trump, and that seemed to be the number one thing Democrats don't like about Trump is just his

00:33:28.240 personality. Well, maybe it cost him Minnesota in an otherwise winnable election. So I would look at it

00:33:33.820 this way. The vote yesterday was in some ways a repudiation of what Americans don't like about the

00:33:41.300 respective parties and their respective candidates. In that contest, Republicans largely came out

00:33:46.260 ahead. The Republicans were expected by the pollsters and the pundits and the Democrats to

00:33:50.900 lose the Senate and to lose seats in the House. The opposite happened. Republicans have kept the

00:33:54.740 Senate and have picked up seats in the House. In fact, there's some outside chance, as I speak,

00:33:59.600 this could change, of course, there's an outside chance the Republicans win the House.

00:34:03.140 So we could have a situation or we will. It looks like we will have a situation of at least

00:34:06.300 somewhat divided government if Biden wins the presidency. And that's a real achievement because

00:34:12.740 it will prevent Joe Biden from doing many of the most destructive things that he promised to do in

00:34:19.060 his manifesto and some of the things Democrats want him to do. And actually, it makes the internal

00:34:25.900 fights among Democrats possibly even more intense because they're going to have to figure out who's

00:34:31.120 really in charge over there. Now, I say this again, the votes are not yet all counted. There's a lot

00:34:36.340 of legal wrangling to come and who knows what's going to happen in the next several weeks. I would

00:34:40.640 just caution people to look on the bright side of things, be patient and know that as disappointing

00:34:49.560 as many Trump supporters may feel, especially because many felt earlier in the evening that Trump was

00:34:54.120 going to win, the worst did not happen last night. It really didn't. There were some bad things that

00:35:00.200 happened. I think vote by mail is a disaster. I think the tech companies need to lose this election

00:35:05.900 and they didn't, at least not yet. And that's very ominous for the future because they're censoring

00:35:11.100 political discourse and so forth. And there's a lot there's a lot to worry about if Trump does not

00:35:15.920 return for a second term. But given where the media thought this was going to go, given what

00:35:21.540 they expected to be a repudiation of Trump and his agenda, they lost and Republicans won. So I would

00:35:29.040 look on the bright side and think about how this can serve as the future basis for opposition.

00:35:37.060 If Trump loses, he will not have been repudiated. He will have been robbed. That creates a very

00:35:42.940 different political scenario than might have been the case if Democrats had had the blue wave they

00:35:47.000 were hoping for. Well, I appreciate you looking at the bright side of things. You're the only voice

00:35:55.240 I've heard talking that way in the last 24 hours. Well, that's my job. You know, that's why I live

00:36:01.460 in California, because when all else fails, I can go swim with the dolphins on the beach. You know,

00:36:05.020 that's right. I mean, you have to be a happy warrior if you're living in such a blue state. I know

00:36:09.260 I'm just getting this little update. I know this interview will air later. So everything may have

00:36:13.760 changed by then. But as we've been speaking the last two minutes, ABC News has retracted its call

00:36:20.020 of Arizona for Joe Biden. So here we go. Wow. Yeah. Well, these are very interesting times. I

00:36:26.560 was hopeful for Trump four years ago. He exceeded every expectation I had. He was an outstanding

00:36:34.000 president by policy. And I was remarking to one of our team the other day. I said, I don't know what

00:36:38.600 Teddy Roosevelt was like as a man. I would imagine he was gruff and rough and tough because his life

00:36:45.460 seemed to be an expression of that. But the short answer is, who cares? Look what he accomplished.

00:36:50.720 Look what he did as a man. I don't know what George Washington's manners were like. Maybe I should read

00:36:55.960 a biography about him. But the idea that a fellow would lose because he wasn't Minnesota nice or he

00:37:01.020 wasn't being gentle with the McCain widow. Look, I understand it. But wouldn't that be something if

00:37:08.420 the man who brought peace between Israel and three Arab regimes, the man who rebuilt the American

00:37:14.460 military and got NATO to pay their own way, the man who finally checked China, the man who 0.79

00:37:19.380 unleashed the oil and gas industry and made America energy independent, wouldn't it be something

00:37:24.280 if the man who achieved all these things was undone because of a daintiness? And so I feel like there

00:37:32.520 is a great loss. And yes. Well, let me let me tell you something about that, actually. It's a very

00:37:37.020 interesting point because, first of all, Trump may not lose. This is something he's determined to fight.

00:37:41.880 And again, as I said, things are changing hour by hour, minute by minute. If Arizona goes back

00:37:47.600 to Trump, I've actually done some of the electoral math and I'm not an expert and I don't like to do

00:37:51.940 this. Actually, I can't stand it. But I did it just out of curiosity. If Arizona goes to Trump

00:37:59.400 and Trump holds Pennsylvania and Trump wins Nevada, which is also possible, and I'm told the Biden people

00:38:05.640 are privately conceding Nevada. But Biden wins Michigan and Wisconsin, we have a 269 to 269 tie

00:38:15.940 in the Electoral College, an absolute deadlock tie. And then, my good man, we get into what I want,

00:38:23.800 which is the House of Representatives. And I am enjoying the prospect of seeing that happen because

00:38:29.620 in my mind, it's the only legitimate way to settle an outcome like this. But on your point about Trump

00:38:36.120 being a successful president and yet perhaps being shown the door because of his mannerisms,

00:38:42.220 you mentioned Teddy Roosevelt. We forget because he's on Mount Rushmore, but we forget that Teddy

00:38:48.720 Roosevelt lost his last presidential election. Teddy Roosevelt in, I think it was 1912.

00:38:54.460 Or yeah, I think it was 1912. Either 1908 or 1912. I think it was 1912. He ran on a new party ticket

00:39:02.720 called the Bull Moose Party. They were the progressive Republicans. And they believed in a

00:39:07.840 kind of muscular government that achieved things for ordinary people. And this was later repudiated by

00:39:16.720 libertarian conservatives. But it's very much in the mold of Donald Trump. He split from his party

00:39:24.340 and he ran on the Bull Moose ticket and he lost. And that's how Teddy Roosevelt left politics.

00:39:31.560 Victor Davis Hanson, whom I know you also admire and enjoy reading, wrote a brilliant book called

00:39:37.540 The Case for Trump. I think that's what it's called. And at the end, Victor Davis Hanson, who has a deep

00:39:45.040 grounding in the classics and in the Greek heroes, talks about Trump as the Western hero or really the

00:39:51.920 Western antihero. And describes the plot of the typical Western movie when an outlaw comes into

00:39:59.180 town to clean up the town because the sheriff can't and the people are terrified and the bandits keep

00:40:05.900 coming by and robbing the bank and plundering homes and so forth. So they make this outlaw the new sheriff

00:40:11.940 and he cleans up the town because he's willing to do what nobody else will. But in the end,

00:40:18.700 the outlaw is sent away again. The people reject the outlaw. They don't like him permanently governing

00:40:24.760 and he rides off into the sunset. And Victor Davis Hanson, who predicted Trump would win in 2020,

00:40:32.540 and he still might, also said that the likeliest outcome for the Trump presidency one day is a

00:40:40.960 repudiation or at least a rejection by the very people he helped for reasons that seem ridiculous

00:40:46.620 at the time. And it fits the the Greek hero or the Western hero, the man who cleaned up the town,

00:40:53.740 the man who saved the city, but was too heroic to remain within it.

00:41:03.060 Well, that's a very dramatic and interesting way to look at it. I just wish that that

00:41:07.480 send off what happened in 2024 rather than. Yeah, I agree with you. There's so much work left to be

00:41:13.320 done. And I think the scariest thing you said was that the social media companies did not lose this

00:41:19.180 election. And in fact, they're flexing their muscles even today, censoring six times Trump.

00:41:28.360 I find I find that ominous. And there's certain swings of the pendulum that do not swing back.

00:41:37.640 There's certain things that do not come back. It's a ratchet, not a pendulum.

00:41:43.160 The naturalization and an amnesty of tens of millions of illegal aliens.

00:41:47.320 Certain freedoms once lost, never won again. Texas going blue.

00:41:51.520 There are certain things that once happened don't come back again. And America is such a rare anomaly.

00:41:58.540 And I'm worried for it as an admirer of America. I'm going to try and look at things in the bright

00:42:06.140 side and I will take your advice that it's not done yet. I'd love that outcome you described

00:42:10.660 of 269 to 269. All I would say is good luck down there and good luck to Breitbart, which has such an

00:42:18.840 important role. Thanks for being with us today on this very busy day.

00:42:21.320 You should rather wish luck to our opponents because we have survived everything and we will survive this

00:42:27.360 also. Fair deal, my friend. Thanks for your time.

00:42:31.380 Thank you.

00:42:31.980 All right. There you have it. Joel Pollack, senior editor-at-large at Breitbart.com. Stay with us.

00:42:36.500 Well, what do you think of the election? I mean, obviously we care about Canada. It's our home

00:42:52.520 and native land. But what happens in America is very momentous, especially these days with such

00:42:57.180 a stark choice. The winner of this election will impact our lives here, I believe, as much as the

00:43:02.920 winner of our own election. Last night, Sheila Gunn-Reed and I and the rest of the Rebel Talent

00:43:07.560 did a almost nine-hour live stream. And we had about 300,000 viewers of our live stream last night.

00:43:16.320 It was pretty exciting. I wonder if you were one of our viewers. If so, thank you for that.

00:43:20.320 Well, we're going to keep covering the news in the United States, but also here in Canada,

00:43:24.800 our home. And we're going to cover it in a way that tells the other side of the story.

00:43:29.180 Well, that's still allowed, at least. All right. That's our show for today. Until tomorrow.

00:43:32.700 On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.

00:43:37.020 Keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - November 05, 2020

Conservatives can accept losing an election, but they won't accept being robbed

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