DAILY | Russia-Ukraine conflict heating up; U.S. Freedom Convoy headed for Washington
Summary
In this episode, the Senate debates the impact of the Idle No More protest in Ottawa, Canada, on the rights and safety of Indigenous people, and the use of lethal force by police to quell the protest. Senators Atulajan, Houssakos, Batters, and Pate all speak on the need for Indigenous people to have the right to demonstrate peacefully.
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Police did show greater strain. I mean, we were all glued to our TV sets, just wondering
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Just supplementary. So you would share the concern that many of us, that regardless of
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which party formed the government, there would be concern about not using this against individuals
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in a way that would actually reinforce stereotypes and discriminatory attitudes.
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I don't think I misrepresent it at all. I think Senator Pate and I are on the same page,
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and I just want to clarify what you're saying, Senator Atulajan, is what I believe I hear
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from you is that any group of protesters in this country, environmentalists, indigenous
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groups, Black Lives Matter, people that are anti-mandates, that they have that fundamental
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right to do it without the threat of this draconian hammer being dropped in the future.
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And what I'm trying to get across is this dangerous precedent, something that future governments
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that have a problem with the agenda of certain minority groups, or have a problem with groups
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that just don't fit their political agenda, would this set a precedent that is very dangerous
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Senator, I would agree with you. It does set a dangerous precedent.
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I mean, I'm all for demonstration. Like I said, we need to have peaceful protests.
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We need to give the Canadians the ability to let us know how they feel.
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Like Senator Batters mentioned yesterday, the Ukrainian community is very, very concerned.
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And I know that in Toronto, they were out there expressing their concern.
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They were out there protesting. But yet in the federal capital, the seat of the government,
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they cannot come. So I hear you. But it's always, as a human rights person, I support peaceful
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protest. Not anyone feeling threatened, not anyone feeling that they don't have the ability
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to perform their duties or go to work. Like we did see. I mean, there were instances where,
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and I know some young girls in scarf had to be accompanied. It was one of our own MPs,
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you know, brought that issue up. So we were seeing that. So I think it's better to look
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at the reality of what was happening. And we wish it didn't happen. We wish it had been
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handled better. But we have a prime minister who was missing. We didn't hear anything from
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the government. And I fended calls from irate liberal supporters who said,
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where's our prime minister? So, you know, peaceful protest, I'm all for it.
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You're here. Resuming debate, en débat, Senatrice Odette.
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Thank you, Madam Speaker. Dear colleagues, first, I would like to thank the Wendat Nations,
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the Inuit, the Wolastiquet, Atskemec, for welcoming me on their land here in Quebec.
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I'm rising for the first time before you, but this is not my inaugural speech. I will be offering
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it shortly in response to the speech from the throne. The stakes seem too high at this point,
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and they compel me to share my thoughts and observations as a person, but as a senator from
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Quebec. I would like to share my feelings and my observations that lead to more questions.
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As you know, I supported the statement of the Caucus of Black Parliamentarians in relation to the
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protests that took place in Ottawa on unceded Anishinaabeg territory. I also joined the voices
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of Indigenous senators on these same events. I would also like to remind you that the Federation of
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Sovereign Indigenous Nations of Saskatchewan, the Algonquin of Pequotnagin, the Algonquin
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Anishinaabeg Nation Tribal Council and the Anishinaabeg Nation of Kitiganzibi have also expressed their
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concern over the violation of the First Nations protocols, the appropriation and misuse of
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traditional sacred objects and ceremonies. These are precious and sacred. I continue to support and stand
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behind these statements. I firmly uphold the right of everyone to demonstrate peacefully. Here's why.
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Peaceful demonstration is part of my own past. I participated through Past Activated and
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I'd like to talk to some of them. Idle No More, the America Summit,
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the Wendake Amun March in Ottawa and many times on the Parliament Hill, many times on the grounds of the
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Assemblée Nationale and in front of the Supreme Court in order to decry injustices faced by Indigenous women.
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us refer to Indigenous protests and we associate firearms to these, but I would like to reassure you,
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the only tool that I brought to these protests was my voice and my point of view. That being said,
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I cannot support hate, intolerance, the use of hate symbols or violence in any form.
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In the last few weeks, as many have said it, I hurt for Canada. Canada is trying to eliminate racism
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through its institutions through many institutions. My question that has been raised many times in the
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past few weeks is that if the protesters were Black, Indigenous or other
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cultural groups, how would they have been met? How would this protest have lasted like this? And my answer
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is simple. They would not have been tolerated and this would not have lasted. The tolerance
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of protesters that are Indigenous or Black is lower and we have proof of this. Police interventions
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and other measures like injunctions happened must much faster when racialized Indigenous or vulnerable
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people are protesting. As mentioned in an article by Audrey Zipti, Associate Professor of History at Carleton
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University. In 2016, on the very first day of a peaceful protest in Toronto, Black Lives Movement
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The same person says, in 2020, in Ottawa, a protest at a key intersection advocating for Black and Indigenous lives
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resulted in 12 people being charged and the protests being called off in three days.
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Now on to Emilie Nicola from Le Devoir. He says, while racialized parents are being reported to child
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protection services for nothing, dozens of children have been in Ottawa at the convoy for several weeks
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in questionable conditions. And I will add personally, no one lifted a finger.
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remind, continues to remind us of the homeless encampments that police have aggressively raised
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citing the risk of fire. While there are countless Indigenous leaders who have been under tight police
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surveillance, the authorities are so unconcerned about the dangers posed by the far right that we're
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we were surprised by the occupation and sedition intentions that were clearly stated online
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of several of the convoy's organizers." End quote.
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I would also like to use today's platform, I could use today's platform to inflame the political discourse,
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but I won't do that. I will only express that certain parliamentarians, unfortunately,
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speak out of both sides of their mouths. A double standard in the face of blockades held by Indigenous
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people and those who stormed Parliament Hill. An ethnologist that I respect very much, Isabelle Picard,
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who is Wendat, also wrote in an article recently. She said, and I quote,
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about two years ago to the day, all the news was focused on the Wet'suwet'en and what the media had
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called, at best, the railway crisis. At worst, the Indigenous crisis. Because this crisis was far from
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being entirely Indigenous, the people on the tracks were from all over. The people arrested were indeed
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Indigenous, unfortunately. Almost all of them. At least in the traditional territory of the Wet'suwet'en.
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Twenty-eight people had been arrested by the RCMP after a coastal gas link injunction obtained by this
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company for a major gas pipeline that was run through the Wet'suwet'en territory. Since those
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pre-COVID events, negotiations have been mired in a status quo. On the board, about 50 more arrests.
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Almost all of them Indigenous people, women and elders in the mix. Ten days ago, a complaint was
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filed at the UN by opponents of the pipeline for violation of several articles on the UN Declaration
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on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. Picard added that there are many differences between the events
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in Ottawa and those in British Columbia. One group burned thousands of liters of oil to make their point,
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while the others wanted to stop the oil from flowing onto their land. Some speak of freedom,
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because they know it too well, and others can only hope for it, because they no longer know it.
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Both sides, more if you count regional duplicates, however, are willing to stay put for as long as it
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takes to defend their beliefs." The evident herds and inquiries, including the national inquiry into
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missing and murdered Indigenous women and girls, clearly demonstrates the abuses of First Nations,
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Métis and Inuit human rights committed and condoned by the Canadian state. These abuses continue to
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perpetuate an environment where trivialized violence is allowed to fester and perpetrators act with impunity.
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Our trust in the institutions is almost non-existent, but we continue to hope for this trust.
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I continue to hope for it. However, faced with such events, in light of the clemency of these same
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institutions, one cannot be surprised or even offended by our reaction, our questioning, our amazement.
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So I find myself standing here, bewildered. Why is there no mention of racism and the use of hateful
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symbols in the text of the proclamation of a public order emergency? Why are the tools and measures not
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applied in the same way to all? Certainly, it is important to make sure that everyone has the right to
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live safely and peacefully. And the people of Ottawa have their city back. But we can't ignore the threats
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that still exist in Ottawa and across the country. How can we ensure that the daily lives of the silent
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majority are no longer impeded in this way? But more importantly, how can we allow small groups to
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undermine and weaken our democracy? I have another concern. Using the Emergencies Act, can using the
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Emergency Measures Act justify restricting the right to legitimate protests? I hope not. So I urge my
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colleagues to ensure that a First Nations, Métis or Inuit Senator and a Senator from the Caucus of Black
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Parliamentarians be part of the Parliamentary Review Committee or any other measure that is to be
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deployed to review the government's action under the Act. This is important to me. We need to bring a
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different perspective and a diverse perspective to this. The same principle should apply as to who
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should conduct the inquiry and report to each House of the Parliament within 360 days of the end or
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revocation of the state of emergency. It's important here again to have a Métis, Inuit or First Nations lens.
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As said, Isabelle Picard, let's come back to love and peace. Let's not, it does not seem to be our biggest
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problem. But to speak of love, we must also speak of hate and war. And to speak of freedom, we have to
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speak of servitude and slavery. And in my heart, I care for social justice and equality. And I dream of an,
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of a society that is equal, where everyone has their space, where their cultures and their languages
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and histories are respected. I think debate is important.
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And I am here to listen, and I will take position soon. Thank you.
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Colleagues, the question we are being asked to consider is this. Did the events here in Ottawa over
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the last three weeks meet the threshold for this extraordinary imposition of the Emergencies
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Measures Act? And today, this question remains, why is it still in place? The emergency has been met,
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the blockade is gone, and surely the authorities will not be caught so flat-footed ever again.
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So the threat that protesters may come back in force seems unlikely. Intelligence operatives and police
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have surveillance and investigations underway to deal with crimes in the making, plots,
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or new actions. They had those powers before the invocation of the Emergencies Act.
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In a letter sent to parliamentarians from the Advocates for the Rule of Law, a nonpartisan
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think tank, they argued the following. The failure of the government and police to enforce existing
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laws and court orders is not a sound basis to expand state power with the declaration of a public
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order emergency, when no such emergency has been proven to exist. One rule of law failure should
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not beget another. The letter goes on to state, it risks a gradual erosion of parliament's role in
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favour of executive power, and it amounts to a damning admission of failure of state capacity.
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If Canada is to remain a functional and free democracy, then it must be able to solve problems
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using existing laws and established institutions, and without resorting to the most extreme measures
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except when absolutely necessary. So I think we can all agree on both the importance of the rule of law
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in Canada and the objectivity of the courts, which together form the foundation of a just society.
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The Emergency Act asks Canadians to forfeit this most basic tenet of our democracy.
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In fact, what we actually witnessed was a colossal failure of leadership at all levels. I think it's
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fair to say that the convoy protest became an encampment due to the failure of planning and the inability to
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react. There was not a single barricade. Protesters were actually directed to Wellington Street,
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the main access to parliament. There were existing laws to move trucks or do something about
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horns or diesel fumes or clog streets, but those laws were not employed. And so it's difficult to
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accept now that bad decisions and inaction justifies using an act reserved for the most dire national
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security crisis. This act is meant to be used, well, never. And here is why. Its application is a judgment
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call and judgments are political by definition when the government of the day substitutes itself
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for parliament or the objectivity of the courts. The act comes first, then permission is sought.
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Invoking the Emergencies Act in this context has made the law a subject of partisan contention.
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And when the Prime Minister made this, for all intents and purposes, a vote of confidence in his government,
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well, it only further illustrates the problem. This is at the core of why emergency legislation is so risky
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and so dangerous. The ability in a free and democratic society to protest requires the blind application of the law.
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The Prime Minister deemed some protests in Canada to be acts of democracy, even participates in some.
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No action was taken against church burnings or topplers of statues. That was called understandable.
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But the Prime Minister declared the trucker protests here in Ottawa, the protesters to be racist, white supremacists,
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misogynists, people he didn't like and would never talk to. But does being frustrated, angry or critical of government actually make you an enemy?
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And so the issue is who should decide what is lawful advocacy and what is an illegal protest or occupation?
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Who is to decide to whom laws apply or whose actions can trigger the invocation of the emergency act?
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That is why we have the rule of law and the obligation to make your case for extra powers to a court and not leave it to the judgment call of the government of the day.
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So why the Emergencies Act now? We did not see it invoked at the G10 or OCA or when Parliament was attacked in 2014.
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I lived in New York then and witnessed the fear and genuine crisis that unfolded.
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And even during those extraordinary times, there were fierce debates over what was called a ticking time bomb situation.
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How far can and should you go to fight terrorism?
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The argument was, for example, can you waterboard someone to get information to defuse the ticking bomb?
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History teaches us that too often actions taken in the heat of the moment, even in the face of actual terrorism,
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proved to be ill-considered and were rejected once they became known.
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But that was months, even years after the fact.
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One issue today that I find particularly troubling here is the foreign involvement and financing being used as a justification.
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Foreign money has been flowing into this country for years to support or oppose a variety of political causes and issues.
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Stop a pipeline, save a whale or support a truck convoy.
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So why is it okay for some causes to be funded by foreign supporters but not others?
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The Finance Minister stated that new Fintrack rules expanded under the new Act
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will allow for greater financial reporting obligations of crowdfunding sites and cryptocurrency platforms
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I agree, Fintrack, as it stands, lacks the necessary teeth needed to track the finances of criminals or extremist groups.
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But to use this as an opportunity to test out new laws is deeply unparliamentary
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and takes advantage of this situation to advance policy, perhaps even political goals.
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If you want Fintrack 3.0, then present it, defend it, and vote on it.
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Again, we see the extraordinary powers before a parliamentary vote.
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If you disagree with the government, can you be excluded from economic activity in this country?
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Can your finances be frozen or essentially sealed?
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The remedies for those who have been unfairly targeted require resources
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because banks and financial institutions have been given immunity from liability under this new Act.
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So appealing to your bank or the police or the courts is probably not going to resolve the matter.
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And if your resources are frozen, then it's not even an option.
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Of course, no one wants our way of life, our democratic rights and freedoms,
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So what other options are there other than the imposition of a draconian law?
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We saw in Coutts and Emerson and at Windsor's Ambassador Bridge talking,
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and more importantly, listening, brought blockades and protests to an end.
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The weapons cache was seized under existing laws.
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Well, as Emergency Preparedness Minister Bill Blair said,
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we cannot leave anyone with the impression that our democracy is negotiable
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The discussions in Coutts and Emerson and Windsor did not erode trust in public institutions
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And it could have been an opportunity to turn the temperature way down,
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calm the fears, and bridge the differences here in Ottawa, too.
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Colleagues, I come from a part of the country where it's normal to wear camo,
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bring your kids to events because you don't have a nanny,
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or be sceptical of almost any government intervention in your daily life, mandates included.
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Many truckers have been working all through the pandemic,
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They had no place to eat and were left to use the side of the road.
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not the opportunistic agitators that rose to prominence,
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commandeered the headlines, and in the process became the justification for this bill.
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Sitting with colleagues in a restaurant the other night
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It felt more like a victory whoop at a sporting event
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had just made a profound and very risky decision.
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Free speech is about tolerating speech you disagree with
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so that you, in turn, are free to say what you believe.
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Every day we tolerate risks and inconvenience and discomfort
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It's part of the price of upholding our rights and liberties.
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Emergency powers cannot and must not be normalized,
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especially at a time when more and more Canadians
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The defenders of this bill say trust the government.
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The political fallout from the War Measures Act haunts us still.
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It has shaped and distorted politics for half a century.
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It had consequences nobody could have predicted.
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That today, those who are rounded up may go silent, but not away.
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I fear that others will decide that separatism is the only answer.
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When people lose faith and trust in our national institution,
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Our east-west configuration is daily challenged
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If we ignore the reality of political difference,
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if we pretend smugly that somehow partisan division
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is an American phenomenon and foreign players are to blame,
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that is to deny the very basis of our democracy.
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Opposing the government of the day is democracy.
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It's why we have debates and votes here and in the other place.
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It's the very basis of our parliamentary democracy.
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To silence criticism or dissent through extraordinary laws
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We have only five minutes left until the noon break.
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Arise today to speak in favour of the Emergencies Act.
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Our capital and the entire country by association
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had been taken hostage and continues to be at risk.
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Early last week, it had unfortunately become clear
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that the usual police procedures of the Municipal Police Force
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had been overwhelmed, as their chief had put it.
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began the process to end this occupation of our capital,
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and we are now debating essentially whether we should sanction it.
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not for our own political beliefs or philosophies,
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this is one of those times when we must act decisively,
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I implore you to consider the message we would send
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Those who coach the occupation of our nation's capital
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they employed textbook professional policing techniques,
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It's like in the midst of all of this and all of,
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it seems like we're back to the olden days pre COVID
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because there is actual stuff going on with people
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I have not seen a single person like over the three
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weeks is a massive protest was raging in Ottawa.
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There was not a single mention of all this is a
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you could not go anywhere without like being packed
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It was like you made physical contact with like,
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hundreds of people just by walking the streets of
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I'm so surprised no one tried to ride that line,
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cause none of the arguments as to why this had to be dealt
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we still need to have these restrictions to actually deal
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They're not actually helping with any COVID stuff,
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And the fact that these people are posing them,
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you have the Atlantic publishing an article saying that yes,
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the mask mandates don't make any sense and they don't do
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The mask mandates don't need to make sense in order for them to
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this is just like when a TSA of force people to take off their
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shoes and until now you still have to take off your shoes and
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Can we have like a proper great reset and just do away with all
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can we just have every single politician who's currently in a
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That's the sort of great reset I can get behind.
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And let's get some term limits in there so we can actually have
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We don't need people who have been serving in Congress since
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$1 Trudeau and the liberals need to stop being woke and invest in
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I can absolutely agree that Trudeau and liberals need to stop being
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strong defense and giving our military what they need to defend us.
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what is our military actually focusing on right now?
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I just want to see some logic behind every decision we're making.
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you dedicate X amount of billion dollars to something,
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And that's exactly what's happening in America.
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we have all these government sort of checks and balances in place in terms of transparency.
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but the thing is no one actually digs into it and reports on it.
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It's like everything like the Canadian government does.
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but nobody knows because they put it all behind the paywall.
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but it just kind of speaks to the whole conglomerate of the,
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government funded and corporate media who are just holding government to
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That is my personal medical status in case you were curious.
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And I need to be vaccinated in order to get onto a plane to go
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I would have to go to the States and then quarantine there.
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I would still need to quarantine another two weeks,
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if I were to even manage to make it into the States coming back,
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every single measure we have from quarantines to mandates to everything.
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Florida is doing better and they don't have any quarantines.
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like it's against the law for schools to do it.
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I would love to go ahead and shout out to Yankee in Florida.
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I might just have to go over that border anyway and not come back.
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I think from New Mexico who during the height of everything going on this weekend with the police cracking down in Ottawa issued a statement saying,
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saying that she wants that she is going to introduce legislation to allow persecuted Canadian protesters who are suffering under the hands of their government to come and seek political asylum in the United States.
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but also who would have thought we get to the point where it's the United States needing to reach out to Canada saying,
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You're essentially a communist dictatorship right now.
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We are going to let the people who are being persecuted under Justin Trudeau and the liberal government to come and seek political asylum in the United States.
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who would have thought that the land that made TV shows like due South where the cops are depicted as amazing,
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like something I loved about being around people from the convoys.
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there's just way too much trust in our institutions and in the government,
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And people are also just blind to the fact that the media is at the whip of the government.
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I think this was yesterday in his press conference about Russia.
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Canada is going to stand for democracy and stand up against authoritarianism.
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including Trudeau and Klaus Schwab were arrested,
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then maybe all possible wars in all countries would stop.
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Joe Biden and the rise of 21st century fascism.
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far right conspiracy theorist in the States spewing off on the radio about all this crazy stuff.
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It's trying to explain things to people because it's very complicated.
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how who would have thought Canada would become the,
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we did an event with Glenn a few months ago and he was saying his backup plan was always,
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we're just going to run away and escape to Canada up North,
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strong for me to go hide in a forest somewhere.
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More chats from the people going here from Fraser McBurney rumble rant gives us $5.
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but can you make up a list of every person that has any affiliation with Klaus Schwab?
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if they're currently leading a federal government in any country,
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They're literally on there and they tell you who they are.
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you don't have to go turning to some backwater channels here to figure stuff out.
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I'm really looking at the official website here of the world economic forum.
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like one day I'd be on the same side as Alex Jones,
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like in two thousands when his channel is like not really popular,
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but he was like protesting against Bush against the,
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he's just goes to these events and he just is yelling at people.
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and that's also because everyone also gets so partisan about all this stuff too,
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but then you kind of start to flip on the other side.
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look at all these other left wingers doing this.
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It doesn't recognize political boundaries and divisions.
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It really just comes down to it's the people versus the authoritarians and the ones who
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It's those who want to control and those who don't want to be controlled.
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So the real division doesn't matter where they actually fall on this political landscape.
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So my advice to people is just keep your eyes open.
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Look at what they're actually doing and whether or not it's,
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is it going to improve freedom and liberty and the ability for people to live their lives freely and actually,
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succeed or is it just going to crack down on them?
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That's a whole other tangent to go into is the,
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I'll whip out some markers and start drawing everything.
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do you think who were the swastika flags flown by and why pro Nazis are folks equating Nazi regime with Justin Trudeau's regime?
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what we do know is that there were these people there,
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they were flying the flags and they were clearly not associated anyway with the convoy.
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A lot of people have no sense of ethics or morality.
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I see a lot of people keep saying I've got the Christian Bale vibe.
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First and foremost among them is my younger sister who repeatedly,
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like walking right out like Bruce Wayne right now.
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I read that they are heavily involved in the administration.
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So they're buying up all this property in the United States and they're
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basically driving up the price of rent and driving up the price of,
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50% more than what the property is actually worth.
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and I think they even stated this and they're working with the Chinese
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from the U S that is allowed to work in China without,
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and they even have this on the Twitter account,
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And the idea is that we will live in a society where the majority of
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but will rather rent it from a place like BlackRock.
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because it's so clearly just like communist in terms of,
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It means owning property means that you have a say in what happens in
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you used to have to own property in order to vote.
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And I believe that it should still go back to that.
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I don't think homeless people should be able to vote,
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Point is that owning property is necessary for any human.
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like it's just so clearly communist in terms of like,
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corporation with the government and that's getting into fascism.
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Karl Schwab calls it the fourth industrial revolution.
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look at the time now that is our show for today.
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the RCMP were in the hotel that showed the Nazi flag.
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we're RCMP at the hotel and that was the hotel where the flag was flown.
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I don't know if there even were RCMP staying at that hotel at the same time.
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It'd be nice if some journalists could actually do their jobs and,
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that's a common theme throughout today is like,
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Over this wonderful technology in this dystopian world we're living.
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in Malaysia and wherever else in the world you're living.
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I think David Menzies and Sheila Gunn-Reed is the schedule there.
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For people that don't understand what the fuck is going on.
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The G7 is launching a set of public policy principles for retail central bank digital
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Central bank digital currencies could be a digital version of money,
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a bit like a digital bank note that could be used alongside...
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So that's the guy who runs our economy in the UK.
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Bank of England tells ministers to intervene on digital currency programming.
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Digital cash could be programmed to ensure it is only spent on essentials or goods,
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which an employer or government deems to be sensible.
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I'm going to take it one step further for you, Joe, right?
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So the vaccine passport infrastructure is in place,
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but now we know that the vaccine doesn't stop infection or transmission,
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They bring in digital banking, central banking, digital currencies.
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You've got a scenario now that you're checking in and out everywhere you go
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using vouchers that are programmed and you can only spend where you're told you can spend them.
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That's called the Chinese social credit system.
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And anyone who watches Black Mirror will know what I'm talking about.
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second most powerful person other than the prime minister
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and maybe the foreign secretary in the UK, right?
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He's telling us, I just played it there for you.
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He's telling us that's what he, as the UK, the head of the G7,
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So a scenario where like in New York at the moment,
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because the passport infrastructure is in place,
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you bring in that digital currency and you've got this total control.
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And if I'm speaking to you the way I'm speaking now,
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Deems me as saying or doing something inappropriate.
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Suddenly, I can't actually pay to come here and speak to you anymore.
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My digital currency won't even pay for the ticket
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because it will be known that I'm coming to speak to you.
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Sorry, your vouchers don't allow you to purchase that ticket