Rebel News Podcast - September 11, 2026


DAVID MENZIES | Alberta woman hauled before human rights tribunal for opposing rainbow crosswalk


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00:00:30.000 podcast. Tonight, what's worse than censorship? Well, that would be compelled speech. And it's
00:00:44.840 thriving in Canada. It's Thursday, September 10th, 2026. I'm David Menzies, and this is the Ezra
00:00:53.440 LeVant show. Shame on you, you censorious bug. If you could have dinner with any historical figure,
00:01:13.320 either alive or deceased, who would it be? For me, it would be George Orwell. I would love to get his
00:01:21.280 take on the modern world and how speculative fiction that was penned in 1948 is quickly
00:01:29.500 becoming entrenched reality in certain nations that are supposedly democracies.
00:01:36.460 When Orwell wrote 1984, some 70 odd years ago, the novel served as a cautionary tale
00:01:44.160 regarding totalitarianism. In Orwell's dystopian novel, not only did totalitarianism feature
00:01:52.980 due rigueur censorship, but it also featured something that's actually somewhat worse.
00:02:00.100 That would be compelled speech. Indeed, the true horror of 1984 is hammered home in the disturbing
00:02:08.220 conclusion. The rebellious protagonist, Winston Smith, is sent to the Ministry of Love, a grotesque
00:02:16.100 name for a facility in which torture is employed for those deemed to be non-conformist. Smith's
00:02:24.440 tormentor is O'Brien. O'Brien's goal is to break Smith's spirit by making Smith agree that an
00:02:32.540 An absolute falsehood is indeed the truth.
00:02:36.220 Check out an excerpt from the cinematic rendering of the novel.
00:02:40.420 How many fingers am I holding up, Missy?
00:02:43.540 Four.
00:02:44.540 And if the party says there are not four, but five, then how many?
00:02:50.540 Five.
00:02:53.540 No, that's no use. You're lying. How many fingers, please?
00:03:08.540 Four. Four. What else can I say? Five, four. Anything you like.
00:03:18.540 Yes, the correct answer for how many fingers am I holding up is neither four nor five,
00:03:30.540 but whatever the governing party says the correct number is.
00:03:35.500 And if one disagrees with compelled speech, that is to say, if one speaks the truth,
00:03:42.560 then one shall pay a very steep price.
00:03:47.280 1984 is, of course, a work of speculative fiction.
00:03:51.240 And yet here we are in liberal Canada and compelled speech abounds when it comes to, you know, certain protected classes.
00:04:02.520 For example, we're told that there's a mass burial site of native children occupying a former residential school in Kamloops, B.C.
00:04:11.280 and yet there's not a scintilla of forensic evidence supporting this claim but to merely
00:04:19.020 ask questions to simply challenge this unproven narrative to not don an orange shirt on september
00:04:28.740 30th well that makes you a hater a denier and anti-indigenous you will be cast out cancelled
00:04:37.580 economically penalized, and perhaps in the near future, merely asking questions about Kamloops
00:04:46.040 will be a criminal code offense. There's nothing like a few weeks or a few years in the slammer
00:04:53.820 to make one go all in when it comes to compelled speech, after all. And then there's transgenderism. 0.98
00:05:02.400 transgenderism also exists as a sacred cow these days or is it a sacred bull i mean what with all 0.60
00:05:10.720 this gender bending maybe that jersey cow out in the pasture is secretly identifying as a brahma 0.99
00:05:18.060 bull got a problem with that indeed it used to be a matter of fact that a person born with a penis 0.99
00:05:25.260 is a man and that a person born with a vagina is a woman. These days, that is so much old-fashioned 0.99
00:05:33.300 rubbish. Gender is very complicated these days. You see, gender is fluid. Not even a female U.S. 1.00
00:05:41.280 Supreme Court justice could define the word woman a couple of years ago. Check it out. 1.00
00:05:47.840 Can you provide a definition for the word woman? 0.83
00:05:52.600 Can I provide a definition? 0.91
00:05:54.860 No.
00:05:55.120 Yeah.
00:05:56.100 I can't.
00:05:57.780 You can't?
00:06:00.640 Not in this context.
00:06:03.040 I'm not a biologist.
00:06:03.980 So you believe the meaning of the word woman is so unclear and controversial that you can't give me a definition?
00:06:10.140 Senator, in my work as a judge, what I do is I address disputes.
00:06:16.660 disputes if there's a dispute about a definition people make arguments and i look at the law and i
00:06:23.740 decide you know i wouldn't want to argue a parking ticket in front of that crackpot judge
00:06:31.860 but this is why when 300 pound bearded bubba says he's really betty and that he wants to play sports
00:06:41.540 against females or be incarcerated in a female prison or wants to shower in a female change room
00:06:48.500 well so be it we will all go along with this madness and pretend that he is indeed a she 0.99
00:06:55.820 despite his genitalia and dna and whatnot it's reasonable accommodation you see and again if you 0.96
00:07:05.320 have a problem with that i.e if you insist on following the science and this case the science 0.95
00:07:12.880 here would be biology 101 then you're obviously a hater and a denier and a transphobe and you will
00:07:21.900 be dealt with accordingly granted in canada we don't have a ministry of love and we don't employ
00:07:28.820 torture. Well, at least not yet. But there's more than one way to skin a non-compliant cat
00:07:36.240 when it comes to ensuring compelled speech, which is to say the woke powers that be will use and
00:07:44.800 misuse and abuse the system. All of which brings me to a fascinating case that's slated to go
00:07:52.600 before the Alberta Human Rights Tribunal on September 14th.
00:07:57.040 Here's the skinny.
00:07:58.840 Westlock, Alberta resident Benita Peterson 1.00
00:08:01.780 received a human rights complaint arising from a political flyer 0.90
00:08:07.220 she distributed some three years ago.
00:08:11.180 Oh no, she wasn't advocating for genocide against any identifiable group. 0.82
00:08:16.360 That's what the pro-Hamas people do every weekend.
00:08:19.500 Of course, they don't get charged with anything.
00:08:21.380 Rather, the police reimagine themselves as Uber Eats providers to deliver them Timbits and coffee. 0.93
00:08:29.220 Rather, Benita Peterson was merely conveying her opposition to a proposed rainbow crosswalk for the town. 1.00
00:08:39.460 That's right. A human rights violation in Canada can be based on opposition to a paint scheme.
00:08:46.760 According to our friends at the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms, the complaint dates back to June 2023 and concerns a flyer Peterson distributed after learning that the town of Westlock planned to paint a rainbow crosswalk incorporating the colors of the transgender pride flag.
00:09:09.580 I know, I know what you're thinking, folks.
00:09:12.880 Isn't the bailiwick of a municipality to, you know, pick up the trash and keep the streets clear of snow and fix potholes as opposed to, well, embracing woke propaganda at taxpayer expense?
00:09:26.900 But never mind.
00:09:29.020 According to the Justice Center, Peterson works as a DJ, children's entertainer, event coordinator, and workshop facilitator.
00:09:38.360 Ah, such a shame she's not a drag queen or a drag king. 0.99
00:09:43.500 Then she'd have a clear path to victory. 1.00
00:09:45.800 But again, never mind.
00:09:47.640 In any event, she opposed the proposed crosswalk because of her concerns about transgender ideology and children.
00:09:57.200 Now, in my book, that makes Peterson a hero, not a heretic.
00:10:02.000 And what exactly did her flyer state?
00:10:04.780 Well, it stated the truth, such as the potential consequences of gender transition, which includes infertility.
00:10:15.940 But, you know, we're not supposed to speak about that, you see.
00:10:19.520 As well, Peterson encouraged residents who opposed the crosswalk to contact their elected representatives.
00:10:27.160 She wanted to see this ludicrous propaganda exercise cancelled outright.
00:10:31.880 Alas, on June 19, 2023, local resident Lori Hodge filed a complaint against Peterson under the Alberta Human Rights Act, alleging that distributing the flyer constituted discrimination based on gender, gender expression, and gender identity.
00:10:54.060 Now, I know what you might be thinking, folks. Don't we have freedom of speech in Canada? Don't we have charter rights?
00:11:01.880 Don't we live in a society where we can agree to disagree and move on?
00:11:06.880 Clearly, such is not the case in our dominion any longer.
00:11:11.760 As well, you have to wonder about Hodge's real motivation.
00:11:15.900 As the Justice Centre notes, Hodge was not a member of Westlock Town Council when the flyer was distributed.
00:11:23.260 But both women subsequently ran for council in a January 2024 by-election.
00:11:30.280 Peterson finished second and Hodge finished third.
00:11:32.920 However, Hodge was later elected to counsel.
00:11:37.280 The point is, was Hodge really all that upset about opposition to a rainbow crosswalk?
00:11:44.440 Or was she using the crosswalk issue to pursue a political vendetta against a rival?
00:11:52.800 In any event, last year, the director of the Alberta Human Rights Commission
00:11:57.100 referred the complaint to the tribunal for a hearing under Section 3 of the Alberta Human Rights
00:12:04.740 Act. This provision prohibits certain publications that indicate discrimination or an intention to
00:12:13.940 discriminate or that are likely to expose people to hatred or contempt based on protected
00:12:21.600 characteristics. The director has since taken carriage of the complaint on Hodge's behalf. Well,
00:12:28.420 of course he did. What a bad joke, missing a punchline. Alberta's kangaroo court believes that
00:12:37.300 voicing opposition to a rainbow-hued crosswalk is akin to exposing transgenders to a hate fest,
00:12:46.280 Really? More likely, the real reason for the tribunal going forward with this case is to simply justify the existence of the tribunal, which is to say it's irrelevant if a complaint is frivolous.
00:13:04.020 After all, job one when it comes to a bureaucracy is to, well, grow the bureaucracy regardless of merit.
00:13:13.420 And so it is the director of the commission is expected to call an expert witness to testify about the physical and mental health of youth and marginalized populations.
00:13:27.440 No, I'm not making this up, folks. The commission is going to find a kook, or I mean, an expert, to make the case that if the town of Westlock did not paint a crosswalk in the rainbow colors, such a slight would lead to transgenders experiencing physical harm? I swear.
00:13:49.580 Peterson, meanwhile, is being forced to play along in this ludicrous game, which is to say she will rely on expert evidence from an endocrinologist with experience in treating transgender patients and a psychiatrist who specializes in gender dysphoria.
00:14:10.240 again let me stress this is all about a proposed crosswalk resembling the fruit of the loom logo
00:14:19.220 and in case you're wondering where the human rights hucksters are leaning when it comes to
00:14:26.240 this case consider this in may 2026 the director brought a motion to prevent most of peterson's
00:14:35.340 proposed witnesses from testifying due to the director's position that her witness's evidence
00:14:43.960 was irrelevant. Thankfully, in July 2026, the tribunal denied the director's motion
00:14:51.820 to exclude those witnesses. You know, at least make it seem like this will be a fair fight.
00:14:59.340 but clearly, as they say in Las Vegas, folks, the fix is in. As the Justice Center adroitly notes,
00:15:08.320 this case illustrates the broader concern with empowering administrative human rights bodies
00:15:15.520 to investigate and punish expression. Political disagreements about controversial social issues
00:15:25.520 should ordinarily be answered through debate and democratic participation rather than through
00:15:33.580 government proceedings seeking penalties against citizens for simply expressing their views.
00:15:41.740 As constitutional lawyer Alison Pajovic states, quote, Albertans should be free to express their
00:15:49.920 opinions on controversial topics without being accused of hatred and discrimination, end quote.
00:16:00.120 Now, the Peterson case is not a one-off, by the way. Still with the Justice Center for
00:16:06.620 Constitutional Freedoms, the organization also recently announced that the Supreme Court of
00:16:13.240 British Columbia has granted four organizations permission to intervene in nurse Amy Hamm's
00:16:20.680 appeal of disciplinary findings against her over Hamm's off-duty expression about sex and gender.
00:16:31.540 As interveners, the organizations can make arguments to the court without being parties
00:16:37.760 to the case, bringing competing perspectives to an appeal that could help determine when
00:16:44.740 professional regulators may punish Canadians for expression outside the workplace.
00:16:52.720 In a decision released on September 8, 2026, Justice J. Hughes granted intervener status
00:17:00.720 to the College of Physicians and Surgeons of British Columbia, West Coast LEAF, EGAL Canada,
00:17:08.940 and the Association for Reformed Political Action Canada. The court also dismissed an application
00:17:17.440 from the Vancouver Lesbian Collective. Gee, that kind of sounds a little homophobic, wouldn't you
00:17:24.200 say. Anyways, Ham is appealing a March 2025 decision of a disciplinary panel of the British
00:17:33.020 Columbia College of Nurses and Midwives, which found that she had committed unprofessional
00:17:40.060 conduct through statements she made on various online platforms from 2018 to 2021 about sex,
00:17:50.080 gender transgender issues and sex-based rights for women which is to say as a health care
00:17:58.400 professional ham is you know a fan of biology 101 too bad the college isn't looks like that whole
00:18:06.620 follow the science schnick was only in vogue when it came to people being coerced into getting an
00:18:14.760 experimental vaccine jab during the COVID years. The Justice Center notes that Ham's appeal
00:18:21.960 raises broader questions about the extent to which professional regulators can discipline members
00:18:29.840 again for expression outside the workplace. Naturally, the usual suspects representing
00:18:37.580 the transgender mafia will advance arguments that could give professional regulators greater scope 0.99
00:18:44.660 to restrict off-duty expression. 0.73
00:18:47.560 Meanwhile, the Association for Reform Political Action
00:18:51.280 will serve as the voice of reason.
00:18:54.140 ARPA will argue that expression critical of gender identity theory
00:18:58.380 does not promote discrimination or hatred
00:19:02.160 and is compatible with legal protections for transgenders.
00:19:07.880 Yeah, I know, what a concept.
00:19:10.600 The Justice Center notes the outcome could have implications
00:19:14.280 well beyond Amy Ham and the nursing profession.
00:19:18.160 It should be noted that Ham's appeal is scheduled to be heard
00:19:22.540 in the Supreme Court of British Columbia in Vancouver this November.
00:19:28.580 Keep your fingers crossed that the BC Supremes
00:19:32.300 will weigh in on the side of common sense versus wokeism.
00:19:38.640 But folks, the policing of Canadian speech
00:19:42.060 by professional regulatory bodies and human rights tribunals, well, that's one thing.
00:19:49.180 But what about the policing of speech by, well, the actual police? Case in point, yours truly.
00:19:57.160 Back in 2024, we were doing a follow-up story on a character named Ash Davis. He's that very
00:20:04.520 confused man who thinks he's a chick. This means we are supposed to accommodate his desire
00:20:11.760 to play rugby with the Fergus Highlanders women's team. And if real women get injured
00:20:18.560 due to this brute, oh, and they are, oh, well, too bad, so sad. These days, even public safety
00:20:26.620 takes a backseat to the unholy trinity of diversity, equity, and inclusion. And so it was
00:20:34.980 we went to a sports field in Fergus to practice journalism in a public place. Spoiler alert,
00:20:41.760 Do you know that it's a criminal act in Ontario to potentially ask a transgender an impolite question? 0.99
00:20:51.480 Here, check out the video evidence. 0.98
00:21:01.460 Oh, hello. Wow. Four police officers. How are you doing, sir?
00:21:05.060 We're going to ask you now to leave, please.
00:21:07.520 Leave where, sir? Sorry.
00:21:08.820 Premises. It's rented by the rugby club.
00:21:10.920 Oh, we're not on the field.
00:21:12.540 They rent this entire field area.
00:21:15.660 Including this.
00:21:17.760 Oh, so if we go to the tree line, we're okay.
00:21:20.120 You've been asked to leave already.
00:21:21.840 Okay, with all due respect, officer.
00:21:24.100 Trespassing if you do not leave.
00:21:25.480 You've been told to leave by the rugby people.
00:21:28.220 Okay.
00:21:28.520 And you're saying, just to be clear, if we go to the tree line, that's not good enough.
00:21:31.840 You rent the entire area.
00:21:33.200 Including the trees.
00:21:35.080 He said to the tree line, I thought.
00:21:36.380 The tree line.
00:21:37.520 If you want to go up in the bushes, you go up in the bushes.
00:21:39.880 Okay.
00:21:40.120 And I tell you right now, though, if you talk to anybody here, make comments, rude comments, you will be charged as well.
00:21:48.920 Make rude comments. Is that a law, sir?
00:21:51.980 I'm telling you what the process is, sir.
00:21:54.680 Could you please tell me what the law is for rude comments?
00:21:57.600 You've got five seconds to leave or you'll be arrested for trespassing.
00:22:00.500 Okay, let's walk. So rude comments is against the law.
00:22:04.600 How bizarre was that?
00:22:05.960 You know, Southern Ontario, like so many other regions in Canada, it's enduring a record crime wave right now.
00:22:13.660 And the Ontario Provincial Police consider that shutting down journalism in the public interest is a law enforcement priority.
00:22:23.580 Give me a break. Oh, and those members of the OPP Gestapo made good on their threats, folks.
00:22:30.400 Later on that day, I was conducting consensual interviews with spectators.
00:22:35.960 We were not trespassing on the field.
00:22:38.640 We were not interfering with the game.
00:22:40.840 We were in the spectators area having conversations.
00:22:45.220 And this is what happened.
00:22:47.840 We're just asking people what they think of a biological man playing against biological females.
00:22:55.740 I think that that's kind of a set up question.
00:23:00.620 Oh, is it?
00:23:01.400 Yeah, I think so.
00:23:02.320 Did I get anything inaccurate in my query?
00:23:05.740 I think that your question is about whether they were born.
00:23:10.060 That's the gender at birth you're talking about, right? 1.00
00:23:13.900 He's got a penis. 1.00
00:23:16.420 You're under arrest for trespassing. 1.00
00:23:18.480 Why?
00:23:19.840 Hands behind your back, please.
00:23:22.120 Are you kidding me?
00:23:23.120 No, hands behind your back.
00:23:24.100 Listen, I'm not on the field.
00:23:25.280 Yes, you are.
00:23:26.060 Hands behind your back.
00:23:27.520 Hands behind your back, please.
00:23:29.240 Are you getting this, guys?
00:23:31.400 I'm not on the field.
00:23:32.600 Place your hands behind your back.
00:23:33.620 I'm not on the field.
00:23:34.520 David?
00:23:35.180 Well folks, this is my equipment, I'm going to give it to my cameraman, okay?
00:23:45.860 Just let it go and your cameraman can grab it for you, okay?
00:23:48.740 This is Doug Ford's Praetorian Guard.
00:23:54.320 They are arresting me on a trumped-up charge.
00:23:57.820 I never trespass on the field.
00:24:01.660 And meanwhile, they are not tolerating.
00:24:04.240 tolerating they are tolerating um this man injuring female players
00:24:10.620 no you're gonna get a a ticket do you have anything in your pockets i do
00:24:17.440 okay thank you appreciate that i'm just gonna jump in so i can actually explain so
00:24:22.820 You sure? I don't like you in any problem.
00:24:24.500 You know, you can hold it through.
00:24:26.380 It's all very simple, Mike.
00:24:29.800 Brutal.
00:24:31.400 Bottom line, in present-day Canada,
00:24:34.080 lorded over by the Mark Carney Liberals,
00:24:36.880 professional governing bodies,
00:24:39.040 and human rights tribunals,
00:24:41.180 and even law enforcement agencies,
00:24:44.700 are all acting in lockstep
00:24:47.040 to shut down freedom of speech
00:24:50.060 and demand that citizens subscribe to compelled speech.
00:24:56.180 And if you do not bend the knee to this kinder, gentler form of fascism,
00:25:02.780 you will be fired, you will be cancelled, you will be fined, you will be vilified,
00:25:09.200 and in some cases, you'll actually be handcuffed and arrested.
00:25:13.240 And so it is, in the final analysis, I must ponder yet again, if he were alive today, what would George Orwell say?
00:25:25.440 Karima Saad is many things, a lawyer, a journalist, a social media personality,
00:25:39.420 but come October 26, will we be referring to this lady as Counselor Saad? That's because Karima is 0.80
00:25:48.420 running for Toronto City Council in the East End riding of Toronto Danforth. Given that this
00:25:55.220 writing was formally represented by the communist Paula Fletcher. I would argue that Karima emerging 0.93
00:26:02.280 victorious here would certainly make for an automatic upgrade. And joining me now is Karima
00:26:09.440 Saad herself. Karima, thank you so much for making time for me. Thank you for having me. It's always
00:26:15.400 a pleasure. And Karima, I read the Toronto Star article announcing that you were throwing your hat
00:26:22.300 in the ring, and the lead sentence stated, quote, controversial chronicler of protest,
00:26:30.180 Karima Saad will run for city council in Toronto, Danforth, end quote. Karima, why in the world
00:26:37.560 makes you so controversial, at least according to the Toronto Star? I suppose it's all a matter 0.53
00:26:43.320 of opinion. I don't think I'm particularly controversial. In fact, I've spent the past
00:26:48.900 five years documenting other people behaving in controversial ways and commenting on it
00:26:56.480 really descriptively to inform the public. You know, so I'm not sure about that adjective,
00:27:03.560 but I suppose controversy means that there is interest. So I'll take it. I'll take it.
00:27:09.820 I would have preferred renowned, but. And, you know, and I've seen you out in the field and
00:27:15.400 your partner lee and um you know usually what you publish is just sheer unvarnished accounts
00:27:24.860 of people out there and maybe um that's the problem you've shown these protesters at the
00:27:33.500 pro-hamas demonstrations chanting genocide dressing up as terrorists displaying swastikas
00:27:40.940 and maybe they don't like that getting out to the general public,
00:27:46.700 to which I have to say, don't shoot the messenger.
00:27:49.660 Well, that's just it.
00:27:50.520 And I've covered protest movements across the political spectrum.
00:27:54.560 It's not uncommon for protesters who are behaving badly
00:27:57.660 to feel a certain way about then seeing themselves
00:28:01.160 and how they actually look.
00:28:02.660 And I think that there's maybe a lack of personal responsibility
00:28:06.820 and accountability, and that kind of parallels what is happening at City Hall.
00:28:13.460 Oh, and that's a good segue into my next question.
00:28:17.780 The obvious question, why are you running for council, Karima?
00:28:21.540 The opportunity presented itself.
00:28:23.380 They say politics is all about timing, and the previous councillor had held the seat
00:28:28.960 for a very long time, 23 years, and on the second last day of nominations,
00:28:34.500 she announced her resignation. She withdrew her candidacy. And I wasn't the only one who had the
00:28:41.380 thought. What was initially a race between three or four candidates now, I think, is the most
00:28:47.600 populated with 18 of us in the run. And notably, one of the persons running is an incumbent in
00:28:58.200 another riding that would be Diana Sachs and I think for political ambitions that's why she went
00:29:05.900 into Toronto Danforth but Karima for our audience how would you describe Toronto Danforth as a
00:29:15.680 riding you know in terms of demographics in terms of what the people want there sure so it's a bit
00:29:21.700 unusual to have an incumbent from another riding yes withdraw from her race and move elsewhere
00:29:28.040 So, you know, opportunism strikes where it does.
00:29:32.040 I can say that my connection to Toronto Danforth is that it's the first neighborhood I lived in when I moved to Toronto from Ottawa from law school.
00:29:41.460 And I stayed there for several years until I couldn't afford it anymore.
00:29:45.240 So I understand when I'm speaking with people who raise concerns about affordability, that really resonates.
00:29:52.400 And I'm excited to be back there and to be spending a lot of time, you know, beyond that, who are the people in Toronto Danforth? They're Torontonians, right? So you get kind of the mix that you'll see elsewhere.
00:30:08.540 I think there are a lot of people who are concerned about the direction in which the city is heading, who may, you know, have whatever political allegiance.
00:30:21.620 But, you know, if the reality of being on the ground is seeing people in distress on the sidewalk, on the transit, garbage bins overflowing, you know, that that that's the daily reality.
00:30:37.960 And so I'm hoping that that people really prioritize municipal issues.
00:30:44.960 You know, there's, of course, always all sorts of questions about things that are way outside the jurisdiction of councillor.
00:30:52.640 And, you know, I'm prepared to answer those questions, but really we need sort of a focus.
00:31:00.440 And what I would offer is being constituent centric. Right.
00:31:04.440 It matters what matters to the people.
00:31:07.060 You know, Karima, once upon a time, I lived in East York, would go to the Danforth all the time. As you know, it's a treasure trove of fantastic restaurants and cafes. It's the home to Greektown. And I got to tell you, an issue that is, you know, in the bailiwick of the City Hall is something that happened a few years ago, the implementation of bike lanes.
00:31:33.500 I've spoken to retailers. I've spoken to restaurateurs. Everyone says they have ruined
00:31:40.720 the street. And I concur with that. It's right now a conga line of one lane. So on that hot 0.90
00:31:46.980 button issue, where do you stand if you're elected? Will you advocate for ripping out
00:31:51.760 the bike lanes on Danforth? I think bike lanes on arterial roads aren't necessarily the best
00:31:59.240 strategy, right? And that it is what people say who own businesses, you know, you can't have the
00:32:07.200 curbside sort of drop off and it's just, there's less space. And of course, the taste of the Danforth,
00:32:13.740 you know, there were a few years it was cancelled, partly due to COVID. And then there was the issue
00:32:19.140 of there not being enough space due to bike lanes and due to the cafes, the sidewalk patio cafes,
00:32:27.560 Right. Which kind of popped up in the wake of COVID.
00:32:31.620 Having said that, I use the bike lanes.
00:32:34.720 I use them, mind you, on my scooter, which itself is not a lawful device in Toronto.
00:32:41.680 And that's another thing that City Council should be reconsidering.
00:32:44.780 Right. People need to be able to get around. That's the bottom line.
00:32:47.460 And I think that the bike lane, right, there's so much that is hinged on it as kind of a culture identity thing.
00:32:55.500 And really, we need to think about what are the practical realities. So, you know, I don't know if ripping things out, is that a productive use of time and infrastructure? Mind you, the province has already made that decision for the city in some respects.
00:33:15.600 Um, I, as I said, arterial roads, public transit, buses, cars, there's more movement.
00:33:25.060 Uh, of course in, in Toronto, you know, you have cyclists and scooter riders and mopeds 1.00
00:33:31.160 that really aren't operational the whole year, um, except for the diehards. 0.85
00:33:36.880 Um, and it takes a lot of resources to keep those lanes clear and so on.
00:33:41.920 But having said that, you know, there's a lot of people I'm talking to at the doors who hold bike lanes very close to their heart.
00:33:49.560 So I think it would require a fair bit of actual meaningful consultation with those residents.
00:33:55.980 And ultimately, it may be up to the province.
00:33:58.780 You know, that's fascinating.
00:33:59.800 I wonder if you had a referendum just in that writing about those bike lanes, how it would go.
00:34:06.960 And by the way, Kareem, I got to be clear, I'm not anti-cyclist.
00:34:10.540 I mean, cycling is my number one form of exercise.
00:34:14.280 As I like to say, it's cycling is the reason why I'm merely fat as opposed to circus fat.
00:34:20.700 OK, so I but the point is, I've always been able to ride along in traffic and get to where I had to go.
00:34:27.560 I never needed a dedicated line, but maybe that's just me.
00:34:30.900 Now, you raise a good point, Kareem.
00:34:33.300 And when you're going door knocking and of course, I imagine you probably bought a new pair of running shoes.
00:34:39.140 You know, half the game is putting in kilometers and kilometers of walking every day, knocking on the door, you know, talking to people, leaving your literature behind.
00:34:49.900 What are they telling you when you meet them?
00:34:53.580 You know, there is an undercurrent of wanting change.
00:34:58.500 I think that when you have a councillor who has served for so long, it creates perhaps a sense of complacency and there are friendships and alliances that form, meaning that maybe not everyone gets their needs met.
00:35:15.700 So I'm hearing a little bit of that.
00:35:17.540 I'm hearing a lot of great things about the outgoing councillor.
00:35:20.580 So, you know, not to disparage anyone, but there is really a desire for change.
00:35:25.580 And there's a sense that Toronto has deteriorated.
00:35:29.720 Toronto Danforth, the area, you know, I think is faring well compared to other parts of the city.
00:35:38.100 But, you know, it doesn't exist in a silo.
00:35:41.900 And I think that there's real concern about some of the decay making its way into the ward.
00:35:50.940 So I'm hearing a lot of that.
00:35:52.460 And then, of course, you know, people are concerned about the usual crime, congestion, affordability, right, cost of living, all of those things are definitely top of mind.
00:36:03.700 And, you know, let me challenge you on that point that the people there want a change, Karima, because as you said, Paula Fletcher has been the councillor for 23 years and keeps getting reelected without that much of a challenge.
00:36:18.280 And when I did the introduction, when I called her a communist, that wasn't a cheap shot.
00:36:23.840 That's on her resume.
00:36:25.220 She was, I think, the head of the Communist Party of Manitoba or some such thing.
00:36:31.240 How do you even get elected with that on your resume?
00:36:34.620 Well, I think that there is definitely a demographic in Toronto Danforth who are sympathetic to left-leaning ideas.
00:36:46.740 And so that is just a reality of the ward. It's the same ward that Jack Layton used to be a councillor. So, you know, historically, that's where people have leaned. And I'm not, you know, I don't know. It depends, right? If we go by the issues.
00:37:09.520 I think that kind of an ideological approach really isn't productive at City Hall.
00:37:16.340 I think that, in fact, there's too much of that already, that there are sort of political agendas being pushed regardless of how that benefits or is to the detriment of people needing to access services, because that's the role of the city, right?
00:37:33.180 It's a corporation that provides services.
00:37:35.200 And if that contract isn't being upheld, then what are we really doing here?
00:37:40.760 So I'm hopeful that, you know, that that'll be top of mind for people.
00:37:45.400 Gotcha. Well, certainly Fletcher was far left on the political spectrum.
00:37:49.220 If a constituent asked you this question, Karima, where do you lay on the political spectrum?
00:37:55.780 What would be your answer?
00:37:57.020 Well, I did one of those online tests, like a personality quiz, because I, you know, I'm not even sure.
00:38:04.320 I feel politically homeless at the moment. And I know I'm not the only one. Right. Like I went to school and university and kind of consumed a lot of ideas that helped me to understand where people on the left are coming from.
00:38:22.940 I've also seen some of these ideas in practice and how, you know, it doesn't quite live up to the theory.
00:38:30.140 So I understand some of the reactionary or more conservative approach.
00:38:34.440 So I, you know, have been in this weird position of just observing and not sharing my opinion for the longest time.
00:38:40.980 And now here I am putting myself forward for counsel.
00:38:45.460 But the truth is none of these ideologies really match.
00:38:50.420 I think that what's actually important is hearing people out, is considering evidence, and then making reasoned decisions.
00:39:01.380 So that's boring, perhaps, but I think municipal politics should be boring.
00:39:06.960 Okay. Tell me, certainly, Ms. Fletcher, she was an ally of the mayor, Olivia Chow.
00:39:14.220 What is your assessment of Olivia Chow's last three years in office?
00:39:19.180 Well, I mean, from the perspective of documenting protests, I think that there have been some missteps on the side of policing.
00:39:31.860 And of course, it's not the mayor who controls the police, but the mayor does appoint people to the police board, which sets the policies and the direction.
00:39:43.240 And I think that even between frontline officers and upper brass, there is a huge disconnect on how to manage protests.
00:39:54.480 And so on that specific file, I think that there's a lot of room for improvement.
00:40:00.640 And more generally, I mean, just walking around, things seem a little bit shabbier.
00:40:07.560 Oh, absolutely.
00:40:08.380 Right. And so I think that we can do so much better. And that, you know, that's partly why I put my name in. This feels like a pivotal moment in Toronto's history and a time for being measured. And I don't see a lot of that always in City Council, but that's what I would hope to bring.
00:40:29.060 You know, I couldn't agree with you more about the shabbiness of the city.
00:40:32.860 With the exception of four years, I've lived my entire life in Toronto or a suburb of Toronto.
00:40:38.520 And I just see garbage everywhere.
00:40:41.260 I see homelessness.
00:40:42.920 I see graffiti.
00:40:45.260 It's almost like a movie set of a dystopian Toronto, you know, if you will.
00:40:50.240 But again, with Olivia Chow, a lot of people say, fairly or not, that she seems to be anti-Semitic.
00:41:00.360 She will not march in the walk with Israel and comes up with cockamamie excuses that were debunked.
00:41:06.860 Just a few days ago, you were there yourself, Karima.
00:41:10.620 There was a debate for the candidates and it was about anti-Semitism in Toronto.
00:41:18.100 and Olivia Chow didn't go.
00:41:22.020 And the reason was the debate was on September 8th 1.00
00:41:25.380 and she doesn't begin her campaign until September 9th. 1.00
00:41:28.820 I think that's the lamest reason to duck out of a debate.
00:41:33.080 What do you think of Mayor Chow's position
00:41:36.280 when it comes to these hate fests we see every weekend?
00:41:40.640 You know, I think that people wish the mayor would be more upfront.
00:41:44.960 As you said, the reasoning for not attending that debate was a bit flimsy.
00:41:51.280 I think we've seen the mayor at a lot of events throughout the summer.
00:41:56.800 Definitely, there are people who have already received pamphlets and brochures.
00:42:00.880 There's been a website running.
00:42:02.400 There is a way to make donations.
00:42:04.760 So if that's not campaigning, then I'm not sure what is.
00:42:08.620 And if she didn't want to attend, you know, it's an answer.
00:42:14.140 to say no. And she doesn't have to provide an explanation. But to give an explanation that is
00:42:21.120 disingenuous, I think was more offensive to the people who did show up. And of course,
00:42:27.180 on that very same day, the mayor and the police chief made a special announcement about all the
00:42:34.760 steps and measures they're going to take to ensure that everyone's safe during the high holidays.
00:42:41.560 And so the timing of that was also a little bit suspect.
00:42:44.480 And the announcement, frankly, could have been made in person to an interested community.
00:42:49.900 So, you know, where does she stand on this?
00:42:53.360 I think that some of her supporters are regular protesters.
00:42:58.800 If we look at some of the work she did before becoming mayor and kind of the activist building and all of that, there's a lot of recurring faces and characters.
00:43:10.560 And so I think that she's making a pragmatic decision, but I don't know that it demonstrates sort of the courage you'd expect from a leader.
00:43:20.760 I couldn't have said it better. In fact, that was going to be my next question.
00:43:23.760 I really believe that when you see these mass marches of the river to the sea crowd, these are the people voting for Olivia Chow.
00:43:32.100 She knows that. And to show sympathy for the Jewish people who are under attack, to take a righteous stance would be detrimental at the ballot box.
00:43:43.420 That's how I feel. Karima, we're running out of time.
00:43:47.040 Tell me, what is your elevator pitch?
00:43:49.360 You go and you knock on my door on Danforth Avenue and you say, hi, I'm Karima Saad.
00:43:55.320 I'm politically homeless.
00:43:59.180 Who isn't these days?
00:44:00.780 I know. But what is your, you know, Hollywood-esque 30-second elevator pitch to get somebody on Team Karima?
00:44:12.840 I am bringing all sorts of transferable skills to City Hall.
00:44:16.580 I'm a lawyer. I understand how to read contracts and the nitty-gritty things that are the foundation of being a municipal councillor.
00:44:27.540 I'm also a journalist, so I understand the value of asking tough questions, of listening to people, trying to come to an understanding and, again, hold power to account, both lawyering and journalism.
00:44:43.920 I think that's a common thread.
00:44:45.180 And there's also this thread of storytelling and being able to represent people.
00:44:51.220 And so that skill set, I think, is exactly what Toronto Danforth needs after a very long tenure.
00:45:00.140 You know, the world is a different place than it was 23 years ago.
00:45:04.340 Yes, 100 percent.
00:45:05.940 And Karima, I mean, if I did live in East York, like I did once upon a time, I would certainly vote for you.
00:45:13.720 I think you're solid.
00:45:15.180 I get the feeling, folks, Kareemah inside is now going, oh, my God, I don't want the endorsement of David Manzi.
00:45:21.660 That's going to set the campaign back.
00:45:23.400 One last question.
00:45:25.340 There are cynics, there are trolls out there, and they will be saying, Kareemah, Kareemah's sad.
00:45:32.540 She's not serious.
00:45:33.540 This isn't about her becoming a councillor.
00:45:36.360 This is all about raising her public profile. 0.99
00:45:40.520 It's a publicity stunt.
00:45:42.280 How would you respond to those people?
00:45:43.960 I already have a public profile. I don't need to do this kind of stunt. And I dare say that among the candidates for councillor, there's no one who has endured as a private citizen more hate and more abuse than me. And so, you know, of course, that is what the detractors will say. I don't need it for that reason. I am in it to make the ward a better place.
00:46:09.900 Fantastic.
00:46:10.460 Well, Karima, I can hardly wait to see you on the debate stage.
00:46:14.240 Good luck, my friend.
00:46:15.200 Thank you.
00:46:15.700 Thank you.