Rebel News Podcast - Did the Chinese government cause the Coronavirus pandemic？ Here's what two Chinese government professors say.

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. I have something for you today that I promise you, you've seen and heard nowhere

00:00:04.120 else. I go through two important things, a Chinese propaganda video from a couple years back

00:00:10.180 about bats and viruses in Wuhan. I know you haven't seen this before. And then I go through

00:00:17.160 a study published by a Wuhan, two Wuhan professors in February about where did the virus come from.

00:00:25.360 Oh, I know you haven't seen those before. Boy, this is an important show, if I may say so myself.

00:00:32.040 Please consider getting the video version of it because this Chinese propaganda video

00:00:35.860 of this virus hunter is so incredible and beautifully done, by the way. I show it to

00:00:40.800 you. I'll describe it to you. I'll describe it to you. But would you please get the video version

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00:00:58.640 Okay, here it is.

00:01:04.220 Tonight, did the Chinese government actually cause the coronavirus pandemic? Let me show you what two 1.00

00:01:20.440 Chinese government professors say. It's April 1st and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:27.800 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:31.500 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:35.120 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:41.440 I've told you before about the Chinese government's high security virus research lab in Wuhan.

00:01:53.820 Of all the cities in China, and there are very many, what are the odds that a virus outbreak just happens to be

00:01:59.740 in the same city as their virus research lab? That's a heck of a coincidence.

00:02:04.180 But coincidences do happen. It's just a bit hard to believe in chance or coincidence when you're

00:02:11.320 dealing with a communist dictatorship. Communist dictatorships lie and cover up to protect their

00:02:16.760 reputation all the time. The Chernobyl explosion and cover up is the classic case of this. It's

00:02:22.720 essential that dictatorships never admit failure or defeat because that could empower critics or

00:02:28.140 dissidents. The whole point of a strong man is that he's strong. He's infallible. So China 0.99

00:02:34.100 has that dictatorship culture, and add on to that the Chinese cultural tradition of saving face.

00:02:41.140 And then add to that how devastating this failure has been to the Chinese people, how many it has killed,

00:02:47.380 surely far beyond what they have publicly admitted to. If it ever got out that this virus was actually

00:02:52.540 caused by the Chinese government, well, let me quote Mikhail Gorbachev, the last dictator of the Soviet Union.

00:03:00.660 This is from a speech he gave in 2006.

00:03:04.200 The nuclear meltdown at Chernobyl 20 years ago this month, even more than my launch of perestroika, 0.87

00:03:11.000 was perhaps the main cause of the Soviet Union's collapse five years later. Indeed, the Chernobyl catastrophe

00:03:17.180 was a historic turning point. There was the era before the disaster,

00:03:21.200 and there is the very different era that has followed, unquote. Not just the massive cost of

00:03:27.920 Chernobyl, but the fact that the dictatorship was to blame for the accident and for what came later 0.88

00:03:33.700 that wasn't accidental, the cover-up, the denial. And so you see, it is likely that we will never know

00:03:39.900 the full truth about the Wuhan virus until after the Communist Party of China falls like the Communist Party of the Soviet

00:03:47.200 Union fell. We know the Wuhan virus lab is involved in intrigues, and bizarrely, Canada is a part of that. 0.84

00:03:55.720 As I've shown you before, Justin Trudeau approved the transfer of the Ebola virus from Canada's virus lab

00:04:02.900 to the Wuhan facility. Why on earth did Trudeau do that?

00:04:08.540 And this case of a Chinese national working in Canada's top security virus lab being frog-marched 0.60

00:04:16.380 out of the lab by police. The story says she went back and forth to China, the clear implication being

00:04:22.320 that she was a spy. Now, the obvious point is doctors don't spy on doctors. Researchers working on public 0.96

00:04:28.440 health don't spy on each other. If she were spying something so serious that she was marched out of 0.80

00:04:34.620 there by cops, then she really wasn't working on public interest, public health stuff, was she?

00:04:40.340 She was taking it for other purposes, obviously, illegal purposes, obviously, if the police were

00:04:45.320 involved. I don't know what the facts are. The RCMP has never said what. But biological warfare is

00:04:52.280 an obvious possibility. Not a lot of countries do that sort of thing. Russia, China, probably America.

00:04:59.120 America. That's about it. So that's the background on the Wuhan virus lab. There's actually a couple

00:05:05.860 of labs in town. But that's all just circumstantial evidence, right? The more traditional explanation

00:05:11.740 was that the virus leaped from animals to people at Wuhan's wet market, which is a way of describing

00:05:18.120 markets where live animals, particularly wild animals, are sold for food in the heart of the city.

00:05:24.420 Years ago, I went to the wet market in Shanghai, China, and it was a shocking experience for someone

00:05:28.800 used to Canadian norms of hygiene and food preparation and shopping. The air was thick

00:05:34.960 with the dander and dung and breath of every imaginable creature, some dead, some alive,

00:05:42.960 some being killed right there, all destined to be eaten in whatever manner, some right there

00:05:48.120 at the store. I remember I could barely breathe as I walked through the market, and I tried to hold

00:05:53.840 my breath just till I was out of it. It was so gross to me. So yeah, if they were harvesting and selling

00:05:59.560 and eating bats, including bat soup, it's very believable, at least to a layman like me, that the

00:06:06.380 virus came that way. Absolutely. Again, I have no idea what actually happened, but it sounds plausible.

00:06:12.680 The Chinese government certainly suggested that, and in a big show, they shut down that wet market in

00:06:18.220 Wuhan. But I note that they have since reopened wet markets across China, so there's that. That's odd.

00:06:25.360 Then again, did you know that there were four nuclear reactors at Chernobyl? One of them exploded,

00:06:30.480 but the Soviets continued operating the other three reactors the whole time. Can you believe it? One

00:06:36.680 exploded. It was a nuclear meltdown, but they never turned off the other three. They just needed the

00:06:43.260 power too badly, and they really didn't care. It's sort of similar, isn't it? In some ways, it doesn't

00:06:50.040 matter where the Chinese virus came from. It came from somewhere. Now, what do we do about it? Let's 0.97

00:06:55.060 focus on that. Like with Chernobyl, it exploded because of a design flaw, and because the staff that

00:07:00.680 night who were operating it didn't know what they were doing during an emergency test, and they broke

00:07:06.220 their own rules, etc. Whoever was to blame was secondary. The fire had to be put out. The radiation

00:07:13.300 had to be stopped. Recriminations could come later. Same here. The virus is here. Now what? Let's fix

00:07:19.040 that. Well, that's where we know for a fact we can blame the Chinese communists. Here's the English 0.98

00:07:26.760 language translation of a story published by the communist propaganda outlet called Xinhua, showing

00:07:32.440 that Wuhan police actually rounded up and arrested eight doctors, medical doctors, who were trying to

00:07:39.600 solve the problem, fight the virus, raise alarm about it. For weeks, police threatened anyone who

00:07:45.580 even talked about it. They destroyed samples of the virus. They kept it secret from the world for weeks.

00:07:53.360 So we know that the cover-up made things worse. It showed malice, of course, but more than that,

00:07:58.580 practically, it kept people of good faith, including foreign countries, from protecting themselves. So

00:08:03.740 that's the state of what we know for sure, and that's the state of what I personally knew

00:08:09.540 until yesterday when I saw this clip from Tucker Carlson on Fox News. Here's what the paper says.

00:08:15.440 First, the scientists confirm what scientists around the world have said they believe. The virus most

00:08:20.140 likely came from an animal known as the intermediate horseshoe bat. Here's the striking thing. There are no

00:08:26.060 known colonies of this bat within 900 kilometers of Wuhan, nor is there any evidence that they were

00:08:32.320 sold in the Wuhan wet market, despite many claims in the American media to the contrary, including on

00:08:38.020 this show, by the way. Last night, we did a segment on wet markets, the one in Wuhan included, and suggested

00:08:43.160 that this bat was sold there. But let's be clear. The only actual analysis of that question that we're aware

00:08:51.220 of is in this paper. These scientists interviewed almost 60 people, 59 of them, who frequented the

00:08:57.140 Wuhan wet market. They confirmed there were no horseshoe bats for sale there, period.

00:09:02.280 Really? Wow. So the bat in question that had the virus wasn't a bat found in Wuhan's wet market.

00:09:09.720 It didn't come from the Wuhan wet market because it couldn't come from the Wuhan wet market. That's

00:09:14.600 quite a story. He cited a research paper published by a Chinese government university. It's very

00:09:20.840 interesting, but there's so much disinformation out there. I was careful. I don't want to be a

00:09:25.760 conspiracy theorist. This Wuhan virus story is so insane as it is, there is no need for fiction.

00:09:31.820 We're living the most bizarre science fiction horror story right now. No need to make it worse.

00:09:38.980 But I was curious. I wanted to see this study for myself and maybe put it through like a Google

00:09:43.220 translate from Chinese to English. But I found it in English. Here, it's a report. It's just a couple

00:09:50.960 of pages long, actually, published by two Chinese researchers, Bo Tao Xiao and Lei Xiao.

00:09:58.780 The possible origins of the 2019 novel coronavirus. That's what the study is called. And this document

00:10:05.740 I'm looking at here is a PDF. It's saved from a website called ResearchGate, which is a huge website

00:10:12.220 with scholarly publications from around the world. You can see that Bo Tao Xiao has published 26 papers

00:10:18.620 and has been cited 265 times. So he's a real scholar. And as you can see at the very bottom of

00:10:25.240 the page, the footer on this PDF says all content following this page was uploaded by Bo Tao Xiao

00:10:31.280 on the 6th of February, 2020. So that was about a week after Trump restricted flights from China to

00:10:38.180 America. But before the rest of the world had really woken up to the threat. By the way, here's Bo Tao

00:10:44.480 Xiao's homepage on the South China University of Technology website. So he's a real guy. He seems like

00:10:50.700 a very smart guy. You can see he has two degrees from Chongqing University. But then he got his PhD at

00:10:57.260 Northwestern University, which is an outstanding university in Chicago, one of the leading American

00:11:03.460 universities. But like I say, the document I got was just a PDF. That is, someone saved it.

00:11:10.540 But when I clicked the website link at the very top, the paper wasn't there. So I was skeptical. I

00:11:17.440 thought, well, was the paper ever there? Is this some sort of forgery or hoax? Is this disinformation?

00:11:22.660 And I got nervous because if I couldn't find this paper on the actual ResearchGate site, maybe it

00:11:27.420 wasn't real. But maybe whoever deleted it from ResearchGate forgot to delete it from archives.org.

00:11:35.540 That is a website I use occasionally for research. It's also called the Wayback Machine. It's sort of

00:11:40.440 neat. It's a website that literally takes little snapshots of the entire internet page by page every

00:11:46.580 few days and just keeps an archive. It's like a backup of the whole internet. I went to a snapshot of that

00:11:52.800 very ResearchGate page back in February and indeed the study was there. It was archived. I guess what

00:12:03.140 I'm saying is it's real. And it was deleted by someone since then for some reason, but it was real.

00:12:11.580 It was there. I'm going to take you through the study in a moment. It's only a couple of pages.

00:12:16.660 It's in English. It's pretty easy to understand. But first, I want to show you a propaganda video

00:12:24.600 that I discovered on the internet today while poking around on this subject. I found it on a

00:12:31.780 Chinese language website, .cn, so it's actually a Chinese website itself, sort of like a YouTube page.

00:12:39.200 It's an official Chinese propaganda video. Very well done. Very exciting. Beautifully produced

00:12:44.740 and obviously published before the pandemic. And it's about a brave young virus researcher from

00:12:52.360 Wuhan's virus labs who goes out into caves all around China and collects bats, including bat blood and bat 0.86

00:13:04.960 urine. And just as important, little ticks and other bugs that live on bats that can spread the virus from

00:13:12.420 bats to bats to other things, including people. Remember, this video was produced before the

00:13:17.780 pandemic. The video was designed to show how awesome China's virus program was. And this young man 0.96

00:13:24.180 was a hero. There's a moment in this video, you'll see it in a second, where they brag about how many

00:13:30.320 viruses China has discovered. China has discovered approximately as many viruses as the entire rest of

00:13:38.880 the world has combined. They're obsessed with viruses in Wuhan. I'm going to play for you now an excerpt from my

00:13:46.960 noon live stream that I recorded today. I don't know if you know, but every day at 12 noon Eastern time, I do a one hour live show

00:13:54.080 where I take questions from the audience too. And I usually just look at videos and talk off the cuff. And I had only

00:14:00.820 discovered this video right before I went on the show today. So I went through it for the first time on the air with my viewers.

00:14:06.080 I'll show you that because I don't think I can do a much better job the second time through. So watch me as we go

00:14:12.780 through the short propaganda video about this Wuhan virus lab and how they harvest bat viruses on purpose. So bravely 1.00

00:14:22.140 and in great danger, I believe that. So this is me earlier today, just riffing. Okay, watch the clip, and I'll see you in 10

00:14:31.240 minutes. Take a look.

00:14:31.940 So this is obviously, can you hear, can they hear my voice over top? Yeah. So this is obviously a

00:14:43.000 professionally produced documentary. Obviously, it's government propaganda. You saw the name of the

00:14:50.680 the agency, China science communication, youth in the wild.

00:14:57.680 That's a cave, obviously. Did you see the bat there? When we are confronted with an invisible enemy,

00:15:18.240 we can find threats hidden deeper. Only when we hide ourselves. It sounds like a haiku.

00:15:32.980 Youth in the wild, the invisible defender. So this is calling these virus scientists invisible defenders.

00:15:39.340 So he's got his protective gear. I am not a doctor, but I work to cure and save people. Really, do you, mate?

00:15:48.280 I am not a doctor, but I am not a doctor. Me is wearing a dangerous line of aircraft heading back.

00:16:02.340 I work in virus sample collection and classification.

00:16:05.380 Youth in the overseeing system of individuals.

00:16:08.640 Those are some ominous images, viruses have been the leading cause of human death, they

00:16:23.420 have been highly elusive and caught people off guard, invisible to the naked eye, infect

00:16:30.400 people through vectors.

00:16:33.400 Over the course of evolution, vectors have co-existed with the virus, a vector is the

00:16:42.380 host of the virus, I think.

00:16:50.080 This is our mission.

00:16:53.080 Wuhan Centers for Disease Prevention and Control, there you go, did you see that?

00:16:56.520 That's their top, keep rolling, that's their top virus lab in the whole country, just

00:17:03.120 happens to be in Wuhan.

00:17:05.800 So this guy's out there catching creepy-crawly, it's very pretty background, this is very

00:17:17.100 professionally done, the caves are my workbench, oh can you go back ten seconds, what did he

00:17:22.400 say there about the caves?

00:17:25.080 Mountains and plain surface, my office, is that so pretty?

00:17:29.080 Yeah, keep going.

00:17:31.300 The caves are my workbench, one female and one male, we are so lucky.

00:17:36.080 So he's catching bats.

00:17:38.760 He's going into caves and catching bats, Hubei province, it's a treasure trove for vector.

00:17:45.800 This tick can kill people, we caught one now.

00:17:49.760 This is a hell of a video, this is not some amateur production.

00:18:00.600 Among all known creatures, the bats are rich in various viruses inside, you can find most

00:18:05.940 viruses responsible for human diseases, like rabies virus, SARS and Ebola.

00:18:12.760 Accordingly, the caves frequented by bats become our main battlefields.

00:18:24.380 He's going into the cave of bats, wet, dark, and lonely, yeah that's right, bats usually

00:18:39.760 humans can hardly reach. 0.74

00:18:43.860 Only in these places can we find the most ideal virus vector samples.

00:18:48.860 Watch out, most bats living here are horseshoe bats.

00:18:52.380 Oh, can you go back for one second?

00:18:54.380 See, the horseshoe bats, that's such an important point, and horseshoe bats, yeah, oh, and Pipistrellas

00:19:02.380 Abramis.

00:19:03.380 I'm going to Google that for a second, Pipistrellas Abramis.

00:19:08.380 That's also called a Japanese house bat, okay, I just Googled that.

00:19:16.060 Remember that word horseshoe bat, okay, I'm going to come back to that later.

00:19:20.480 I'll just tell you why now.

00:19:24.940 Horseshoe bats are not for sale in the Wuhan wet market, and I'll give you my proof point

00:19:30.740 for that later.

00:19:31.940 So horseshoe bats and Pipistrellas Abramis, that's also called a Japanese bat, keep going. 0.90

00:19:37.320 If we keep our skin bare, we can easily get contact with the feces of bats, which contaminate

00:19:41.620 everything.

00:19:42.620 So it's highly risky here.

00:19:43.620 It usually takes several days living in the bats' caves to analyze the symbiotic relations

00:19:49.120 between bat populations and viruses, no cell phone signals, no supplies.

00:19:55.600 I can feel the fear, fear of infections, fear of getting lost.

00:20:04.180 With this fear, I take every step extremely cautiously.

00:20:09.500 The more I feel the fear, the more I take cautions in doing the details.

00:20:15.200 Because when you find the viruses, we're also most easily exposed to the viruses.

00:20:22.500 This is a true battle only without the smoke of gunpowder.

00:20:25.460 Look at those bats, look at those teeth.

00:20:27.560 You've got to spread the net open just like this.

00:20:31.260 Make sure the cave is fully sealed.

00:20:34.660 There's one bat, the only mammals can fly.

00:20:40.420 Make sure it will not rip the net open.

00:20:42.320 Let's do the sample collection, then analyze the viruses they take.

00:20:46.060 Okay, we've got a tick here.

00:20:52.380 Oh, go back for a second, go back.

00:20:54.520 They named the tick.

00:20:57.520 Ixodes vespertionis, I'm just going to Google that, Ixodes vespertionis.

00:21:14.860 That's just a tick.

00:21:16.900 That's just a tick, it's a bat tick. 1.00

00:21:21.100 Okay, thanks, I just wanted to, I didn't know what that word was.

00:21:26.840 That's, keep going, very special type of tick.

00:21:28.920 You cannot find it anywhere else.

00:21:31.360 Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

00:21:34.180 It's a road never traveled, just like the cage frequented by the bats, it's so deep.

00:21:45.000 When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks into you, that's what Freud, if anything

00:21:49.680 looks into you too.

00:21:51.420 There's something other people can never do for you once I find myself in this situation.

00:21:57.380 I've learned to examine myself, that's his son, and overcome my fears.

00:22:03.080 I need the support of my family, I got used to this, it's kind of interesting.

00:22:11.420 The road is bumpy, but we must learn to stick to our initial choice when we feel confused

00:22:18.400 and lost.

00:22:19.400 Yeah, I'd holler like that if I got out of that cave of doom.

00:22:24.400 In the past 10 plus years, we have visited every corner of Hubei province.

00:22:29.940 We explored dozens of undeveloped caves.

00:22:35.020 Lucilia sericata, pause. 0.99

00:22:38.840 Lucilia sericata. 0.76

00:22:41.780 Lucilia, I'm guessing lucilia is from the Latin for light, I'm guessing that's a firefly.

00:22:48.220 Sericata, let's see.

00:22:51.340 Common green bottle fly.

00:22:54.400 Okay, I should stop pretending that I know Latin, keep going. 0.99

00:23:00.220 300 types of virus vectors.

00:23:03.560 But I do hope these virus preserve for, oh, go back, go back, go back.

00:23:10.140 I was looking at the, I was looking at the names instead of reading the words.

00:23:14.580 But I do hope these virus samples will only be preserved for scientific research.

00:23:22.040 Keep going.

00:23:22.500 And will never be used in real life.

00:23:30.880 Well, you know what?

00:23:32.820 That's what we call foreshadowing, people.

00:23:35.660 That's what we call foreshadowing.

00:23:37.960 That's a dramatic moment.

00:23:39.600 I hope these viruses will never be used in real life.

00:23:43.980 Keep going.

00:23:44.880 Because humans need not only the vaccines, but also the protection from the nature.

00:23:56.760 Pause.

00:24:04.140 Nearly 2,000 types of viruses have been discovered by Chinese CDC authorities over the last 12 years.

00:24:10.140 Only 2,284 types of viruses had been discovered worldwide over the 200 years prior to China's discovery.

00:24:17.980 They're very proud.

00:24:19.980 They're very proud.

00:24:20.760 They're a virus superpower.

00:24:22.760 Keep going.

00:24:25.520 China has taken the lead in the world in the field of basic research of virus.

00:24:29.520 That's pretty crazy, isn't it?

00:24:35.260 In light of what has since happened in Wuhan.

00:24:38.120 Now, let me read to you from the study done by the two Chinese professors.

00:24:41.860 Let's take a look.

00:24:42.820 This is going to blow your mind, especially since you saw that propaganda video.

00:24:45.580 Again, it's called The Possible Origins of the 2019 Novel Coronavirus by Botao Xiao and Lei Xiao.

00:24:52.800 And you can see their names have those tiny little footnotes.

00:24:55.320 And those footnotes describe their credentials.

00:24:57.400 Here are their credentials.

00:24:59.440 Joint International Research Laboratory of Synthetic Biology and Medicine,

00:25:03.300 School of Biology and Biological Engineering,

00:25:05.340 South China University of Technology in Guangzhou, China.

00:25:08.860 School of Physics, Huazhong University of Science and Technology, Wuhan, China.

00:25:12.620 And Tianyou Hospital, Wuhan University of Science and Technology, Wuhan, China.

00:25:17.740 So these are Chinese professors, universities, university hospital in Wuhan.

00:25:24.200 I'm going to read pretty much all of this study because it matters.

00:25:28.100 It's not that long, so bear with me.

00:25:30.880 The 2019 coronavirus has caused an epidemic of 28,000 laboratory confirmed infections in human,

00:25:38.420 including 564 deaths in China by February 6th, 2020.

00:25:44.400 So you can see the numbers are far worse in the two months since.

00:25:48.520 I'm reading this verbatim.

00:25:50.040 English wasn't perfect, but it's pretty good.

00:25:53.000 Two descriptions of the virus published on Nature this week

00:25:56.460 indicated that the genome sequences patients were 96% or 89% identical

00:26:02.820 to the bat coronavirus, ZC45, originally found in Rhinolophus affinis.

00:26:10.740 That's the name of a bat.

00:26:13.300 It was critical to study where the pathogen came from and how it passed on to human.

00:26:19.240 Okay, so bats.

00:26:21.160 How did it get into people?

00:26:23.420 That's what's important to study, they're saying.

00:26:25.980 Well, as we know, it was linked to the wet market.

00:26:29.520 An article published on The Lancet, that's a British journal,

00:26:34.420 reported that 41 people in Wuhan were found to have the acute respiratory syndrome

00:26:38.380 and 27 of them had contact with Huanan Seafood Market.

00:26:43.720 The 2019 coronavirus was found in 33 out of 585 samples collected in the market after the outbreak.

00:26:50.900 The market was suspicious to be the origin of the epidemic

00:26:53.380 and was shut down according to the rule of quarantine, the source during an epidemic.

00:26:58.100 The bats carrying coronavirus, ZC45, were originally found in Yunnan or Zhejiang province,

00:27:06.080 both of which were more than 900 kilometers away from the seafood market.

00:27:12.560 Bats were normally found to live in caves and trees,

00:27:15.400 but the seafood market is in a densely populated district of Wuhan,

00:27:18.960 a metropolitan of 15 million people.

00:27:21.400 The probability was very low for the bats to fly to the market.

00:27:25.180 According to municipal reports and the testimonies of 31 residents and 28 visitors,

00:27:34.880 the bat was never a food source in the city and no bat was traded in the market.

00:27:40.920 There was possible natural recombination or intermediate host of the coronavirus,

00:27:45.100 yet little proof has been reported.

00:27:47.300 Okay, so stop for a moment.

00:27:48.360 You notice it's called a seafood market.

00:27:53.900 They talked to 59 people there.

00:27:56.800 No one had ever seen a bat being sold there.

00:27:58.480 59 people they talked to.

00:28:01.300 How did the particular bat in question get there from 900 kilometers away in Yunnan or Zhejiang 0.98

00:28:06.960 into the center of a big city, Wuhan, twice the size of Manhattan?

00:28:10.740 They obviously didn't fly there.

00:28:13.880 Was there any possible other way?

00:28:18.640 Was there any other possible pathway?

00:28:20.400 We screened the area around the seafood market

00:28:22.200 and identified two laboratories conducting research on bat coronavirus.

00:28:27.020 Within 280 meters of the market,

00:28:29.480 there was the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention.

00:28:33.180 Figure one from Google Maps.

00:28:34.780 And look at figure one.

00:28:35.760 The Chinese government put their ultra-high security virus research lab, 0.97

00:28:39.840 the one that Trudeau sent the Ebola virus to,

00:28:42.020 the one that was collecting all those blood and urine samples,

00:28:44.460 these viruses, there's two of them in Wuhan.

00:28:46.020 One's right in the middle of the city, next to restaurants, next to hospitals.

00:28:49.420 Just a five-minute walk to the seafood market, the wet market.

00:28:52.720 Look at that map.

00:28:53.460 This is the map from the study.

00:28:57.120 WHCDC, that's the Wuhan Center for Disease Control,

00:28:59.620 hosted animals in laboratories for research purpose,

00:29:03.540 one of which was specialized in pathogens collection and identification.

00:29:08.700 In one of the studies, 155 bats, including Rhinolophus affinis,

00:29:13.180 that's a kind of bat,

00:29:14.540 were captured in Hubei province,

00:29:16.440 and other 450 bats were captured in Zhejiang province.

00:29:22.260 The expert in collection was noted in the author contributions.

00:29:25.760 Moreover, he was broadcasted for collecting viruses

00:29:29.200 on nationwide newspapers and websites in 2017 and 2019.

00:29:33.540 That's the hero of the propaganda movie.

00:29:37.760 He described that he was once attacked by bats

00:29:41.960 and the blood of a bat shot on his skin.

00:29:46.560 He knew the extreme danger of the infection,

00:29:49.500 so he quarantined himself for 14 days.

00:29:52.040 In another accident, he quarantined himself again

00:29:54.280 because bats peed on him.

00:29:56.540 He was once thrilled for capturing a bat carrying a live tick.

00:30:01.880 They're talking about that guy in that propaganda movie.

00:30:06.560 They're talking about him, that guy.

00:30:10.100 Surgery was performed on the caged animals,

00:30:12.180 and the tissue samples were collected for DNA and RNA extraction and sequencing.

00:30:16.920 The tissue samples and contaminated trashes were source of pathogens.

00:30:21.300 They were only 280 meters from the seafood market.

00:30:24.640 The Wuhan Center for Disease Control was also adjacent to the Union Hospital, figure one,

00:30:29.720 where the first group of doctors were infected during this epidemic.

00:30:32.800 It is plausible that the virus leaked around and some of them contaminated the initial patients in this epidemic,

00:30:41.300 though solid proofs are needed in future study.

00:30:45.720 Yeah.

00:30:47.080 Do you think that further study will happen?

00:30:49.540 Sure.

00:30:50.780 Just after the Communist Party's gone, just like in Chernobyl.

00:30:53.900 Now, I've almost read this entire study to you, so I might as well read every last word.

00:31:00.660 The second laboratory was 12 kilometers from the seafood market

00:31:03.260 and belonged to Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences.

00:31:07.940 This laboratory reported that the Chinese horseshoe bats were natural reservoirs

00:31:12.900 for the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus, which caused the 2002-2003 pandemic.

00:31:19.620 The principal investigator participated in a project which generated a chimeric virus

00:31:25.940 using the SARS coronavirus reverse genetic system and reported the potential for human.

00:31:32.580 In summary, somebody was entangled with the evolution of 2019 coronavirus.

00:31:38.740 In addition to origins of natural recombination and intermediate host,

00:31:42.220 the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan. 0.94

00:31:49.700 Safety level may need to be reinforced in high-risk biohazardous laboratories.

00:31:54.160 Regulations may be taken to relocate these laboratories far away from city center

00:31:59.080 and other densely populated places.

00:32:02.220 Yeah, you think?

00:32:04.240 Let me read just one more note on the study again.

00:32:07.220 That's the end of the study, but these two professors were legit.

00:32:09.700 I want to show you.

00:32:10.540 They were from Wuhan.

00:32:11.400 They were serious scholars trained in both China and America,

00:32:14.560 a northwestern, for heaven's sakes, a top school.

00:32:17.020 And look at this.

00:32:17.800 This was published on ResearchGate by scholars who had published dozens of times before,

00:32:22.460 been cited hundreds of times before.

00:32:24.120 And look at this, acknowledgements.

00:32:26.580 This work is supported by the National Natural Science Foundation of China.

00:32:33.140 This study was paid for by the Chinese government, but now it's poof, it's gone.

00:32:37.300 Is it a conclusive study?

00:32:41.460 No, it is not.

00:32:43.080 As the authors of it say, this needs more study.

00:32:48.040 But as to that seafood market, they literally interviewed 59 people in the market,

00:32:54.300 and none of them had seen any bats there.

00:32:56.780 These guys called it a seafood market.

00:33:00.940 So maybe it didn't come from the market.

00:33:04.340 Let me read that one line again.

00:33:06.400 According to municipal reports and the testimonies of 31 residents and 28 visitors,

00:33:13.320 the bat was never a food source in the city,

00:33:16.120 and no bat was traded in the market.

00:33:19.020 Is that true?

00:33:21.740 It's a Chinese government paper.

00:33:24.380 If you interview 59 people and none of them say that bats were in the market,

00:33:29.480 maybe, just maybe, it's worth looking at the two virus labs in town,

00:33:33.980 including where a guy says he was peed on and bled on by a bat that's just 280 meters away.

00:33:42.600 Yeah, just maybe.

00:33:43.560 Look, in some ways it doesn't matter.

00:33:45.580 Just like what caused Chernobyl didn't matter. 0.62

00:33:47.860 What mattered was how to fix it.

00:33:51.240 But really, if you don't want Chernobyl to happen again, you need to know.

00:33:55.700 Chernobyl was an engineering flaw, and it was a training flaw, 0.61

00:33:58.760 and it was an operational flaw,

00:34:00.360 but mainly it was a flaw of the Communist Party that hid all those things.

00:34:05.000 Wuhan is a biological problem. 0.99

00:34:07.520 It is a technical problem.

00:34:08.640 It is a globalism problem.

00:34:10.360 It's a public health problem, but it's also a Communist Party of China problem.

00:34:15.800 Don't you think?

00:34:17.860 Stay with us for more.

00:34:19.120 Thank you.

00:34:28.060 Thank you.

00:34:28.340 Thanks so much!

00:34:58.340 That is an excerpt of a short video published by President Tsai of Taiwan showing how months ago Taiwan knew it couldn't rely on the World Health Organization and their bad advice and China's disinformation.

00:35:23.460 They had to protect themselves. It's a small thing, the face masks, but they make 10 million a day and they have a very careful rationing system to avoid people buying them all up and hoarding them.

00:35:36.920 Any mask is not particularly valuable, but it's valuable if you don't have one.

00:35:41.900 In Taiwan, they have a system where people stop by their local pharmacy, almost like picking up a weekly prescription.

00:35:47.720 They get a little envelope with their masks in them. It's one of the many ways that Taiwan has learned to deal with the dual threat of the biological virus itself,

00:35:59.340 but also of China's authoritarian political system that hides information, covers up, almost in the manner of Chernobyl, when the Soviet Union covered up their disaster there.

00:36:12.480 I think we have a lot to learn from Taiwan, a country of 25 million people just across the Strait of Formosa from China.

00:36:19.660 So integrated with China, almost a million Taiwanese people live in China.

00:36:25.920 I think the number is 800,000.

00:36:27.860 There, at least until recently, were extremely frequent travels between the two countries.

00:36:34.460 And yet, the number of Taiwanese who contracted the virus is measured in very low numbers.

00:36:41.160 The number who have died from the virus is a grand total of five.

00:36:47.480 As I like to say, more Taiwanese are at risk of being struck by lightning than catching the coronavirus.

00:36:55.040 And it's not because of luck.

00:36:57.320 It's because of their planning and their system.

00:37:00.840 Well, we wanted to send a reporter to Taiwan to report on it, but alas, part of their strict rules are that even foreigners like us,

00:37:09.160 who promised to take the virus test immediately before going there, would be subject to a 14-day quarantine.

00:37:17.260 And we couldn't go about our business of reporting the news.

00:37:20.360 Well, we've done the next best thing.

00:37:22.580 We have found an expert in Taiwanese health who's actually based in Vancouver, Canada.

00:37:27.920 She is the president of the National Taiwan University Alumni Association in Vancouver.

00:37:33.500 She's a nurse herself and a PhD. 0.99

00:37:36.860 Her name is Dr. Lyran Chu, and she joins us now via Skype.

00:37:40.820 Dr. Chu, what a pleasure to have you on the show.

00:37:44.040 Thank you.

00:37:45.320 Have I accurately summed up Taiwan's mindset?

00:37:48.860 Because Taiwan is really alone in the world of health authorities, because it's marginalized by the United Nations and the World Health Organization,

00:37:59.720 and because it suffered from communist China's secrecy during the SARS epidemic,

00:38:05.140 it's really had to make its own command center approach to the virus.

00:38:09.880 Is that right?

00:38:10.340 Taiwan is not excluded from the global conversation, because Taiwan is not part of the WHO,

00:38:24.500 not even an observer of WHO.

00:38:28.340 So Taiwan has to do it on its own.

00:38:34.560 Yeah, that has meant a lot of work and a lot of effort to replace the World Health Organization.

00:38:42.360 But I think in this case, it meant the very fact that Taiwan was excluded means it didn't get bad advice.

00:38:50.300 It didn't trust the disinformation from Beijing.

00:38:53.840 Is that your view as well?

00:38:56.420 Actually, Taiwan did their own investigation.

00:39:00.680 You learn that on December 30, 2019, China informed the WHO about unknown virus, which occurred in Wuhan.

00:39:14.080 Around this time, Taiwan also heard about this news, not direct communication with WHO, but they get that information.

00:39:21.520 So Taiwan sent a representative to China to investigate the virus and its spread.

00:39:26.900 Right after the investigation team returned, Taiwan instituted surveillance on passengers who were flying in from Wuhan, China.

00:39:39.260 So, and the first case appeared on January 21st.

00:39:44.960 Learning from the SARS experience back to a decade ago,

00:39:50.760 Taiwan quickly mobilized resources and instituted the National Health Command Center that you just mentioned

00:39:57.880 for case identification, for containment, for resource allocation to protect the public.

00:40:05.040 And what is one of the strategies I think we can share with the world is Taiwan use big data,

00:40:13.820 new technology, and proactive testing.

00:40:16.620 And this is a little bit challenging for North America because when we're concerned about privacy, confidentiality.

00:40:28.340 Because Taiwan has leverage with national insurance program, National Health Insurance Administration,

00:40:40.880 so they get the data, so they can track the visitor and identify case.

00:40:45.220 So let me see if I understand that correctly.

00:40:48.400 So if you were flying to or from Wuhan in January, Taiwan would know that you're flying, obviously.

00:40:57.540 We know who's flying in and out of Canada, too.

00:40:59.980 And it would match it with your health records if you had an underlying condition,

00:41:04.280 if you had respiratory issues, if you had diabetes maybe, if you, obviously your age.

00:41:11.040 So it would cross-reference who's traveling and who's at risk.

00:41:15.720 Is that correct?

00:41:16.840 So that would be matched.

00:41:18.720 And if they found someone, they wouldn't ban them or lock them up.

00:41:21.860 They would maybe test them or warn them.

00:41:24.360 Am I reading that correctly?

00:41:27.600 Correct.

00:41:28.460 They assess the travel's risk.

00:41:30.840 They will look at their symptoms and look at where they come from.

00:41:34.560 So they identify three different types of sick and give different advice.

00:41:40.320 Then they will follow using the phone, cue call scanning, and, of course, also online reporting to track the person.

00:41:51.100 And so let's say you were someone who was old and had a history, let's say you were 75 years old,

00:42:00.200 you had a history of respiratory problems, and you wanted to fly to Wuhan, or you just came, let's say you just came back from Wuhan.

00:42:09.020 You just came back from Wuhan.

00:42:11.140 So tell me what would happen to that person.

00:42:13.020 So if this person showed the symptoms, so this person will be sent to quarantine.

00:42:19.980 So Taiwan may do very early quarantine for the suspected cases.

00:42:26.280 And in the beginning, we send it to them, but later they provide accommodation and food to the person, but not in the beginning.

00:42:36.860 Got it.

00:42:37.520 So quarantine wasn't just on the honor system.

00:42:40.200 It was, it was like tracked and monitored, and you said they provided food and other things.

00:42:45.280 So they would, it would, it wouldn't just be on scout's honor, as we say.

00:42:51.060 Someone would go and check on them and make sure they didn't leave the house.

00:42:53.940 Is that what you mean?

00:42:54.440 They would bring the food to them, maybe even with protective gear.

00:42:57.420 Is that right?

00:42:59.200 Actually, they can track through their phone.

00:43:01.700 So they know if they stay home.

00:43:03.900 They know if they stay in a particular place.

00:43:08.520 Oh, so they track it with the phone.

00:43:10.340 So you've got, you've got their travel data, you've got their health data, and then you have your phone GPS.

00:43:16.520 Is that what you're saying?

00:43:18.480 Yes, you will find, locate where is the person right now.

00:43:23.140 And so that is the beauty of the technology.

00:43:27.000 So you will make sure the person is not fooling around, going around, and to contact people.

00:43:34.860 Now, the North American sensibility of individual freedom would be worried that their movements are being tracked.

00:43:43.800 Taiwan has a different national mindset.

00:43:47.120 I've had the pleasure of visiting Taiwan.

00:43:50.520 And, of course, they know they're really in a battle with Communist China.

00:43:54.520 How has this lack of privacy, I mean, I suppose that information isn't shared to everyone,

00:44:01.280 but if the, I presume it's the government knows where you are, do Taiwanese people accept that?

00:44:07.260 How does that go over in terms of personal liberty?

00:44:11.860 You probably already know Taiwan is a democratic country.

00:44:16.840 And so in order to, to get those data, Taiwan has to leverage with National Health Insurance Program and administration.

00:44:28.360 And also the Minister of Health and Wellness update everything and give the public education every day.

00:44:40.940 And so the public understand and so the public don't feel intruded or don't feel, don't feel it's very fearful.

00:44:51.480 So that is also very important, the reassurance, the education, and et cetera.

00:44:58.160 Well, I think part of that goes to if the people, if the ministers and the politicians are credible.

00:45:05.620 In Canada, we've had such strange advice.

00:45:08.760 The first piece of advice that Patty Heidoo, our health minister, issued was run out to the stores and buy up all you can.

00:45:15.160 She literally said buy a stockpile.

00:45:17.520 That was crazy.

00:45:19.540 Her advice since then has been don't wear a mask.

00:45:24.620 And that's what I really want to ask you about.

00:45:26.140 I've seen pictures of Taiwanese schools.

00:45:29.920 The kids are going to school.

00:45:31.040 They all wear the mask.

00:45:32.000 At lunch, the mask comes off and they have a little plastic shield around them so they're not spitting or dribbling or something or coughing.

00:45:40.880 And then the mask goes back on after lunch.

00:45:43.620 Restaurants are even open with some spacing.

00:45:45.900 So I want to ask you about masks.

00:45:48.780 We showed at the beginning the video of the 10 million masks a day.

00:45:51.900 I'm so jealous.

00:45:52.840 But you not only like you've had five deaths and, of course, any deaths is a tragedy.

00:45:59.840 But in the in the scale and scope of things, five deaths this year is so modest.

00:46:06.240 It's it wouldn't even be news if it weren't for the pandemic elsewhere.

00:46:11.480 Taiwan has had five deaths grand total.

00:46:14.420 But you're still letting people go out and about and you're still letting kids go to school and you're still letting go to people who go to restaurants.

00:46:21.640 How did that work?

00:46:22.900 Is it that everyone has to wear a mask rule?

00:46:24.720 Is that all it took?

00:46:25.520 The masks?

00:46:29.500 Yes, you can say that.

00:46:32.760 And you all described correctly about Taiwan.

00:46:35.600 So you've done a lot of research about Taiwan already.

00:46:38.520 So maybe just to provide more information about the mask.

00:46:45.140 It's not just mask.

00:46:46.840 In the beginning, Taiwan already prepared for this battle because they learned from the South's experience.

00:46:54.520 So they already prepared.

00:46:55.900 So they know they need to prepare the supplies.

00:46:59.600 They need the supplies.

00:47:00.840 It's not just mask.

00:47:02.900 Taiwan had 20,000 ventilators.

00:47:06.340 Taiwan already prepared for that.

00:47:08.980 Taiwan had 1100, I think it's 1100, yeah, 1100 negative pressure isolation room.

00:47:22.680 And so Taiwan also prepared masks because masks, they believe it's not just for self-protection.

00:47:31.680 It's and also protect other people.

00:47:33.880 And also it's a kind of practice of social distancing.

00:47:39.660 You know, Taiwan has 23 million people.

00:47:42.840 It's such a small island.

00:47:44.520 People are there.

00:47:45.200 It's so crowded.

00:47:47.200 It's very difficult to have such required distancing between people.

00:47:54.340 So this is also one way of practice social distancing.

00:47:58.040 So not just self-protection.

00:48:03.080 And also Taiwan researchers have done a lot of research in the beginning.

00:48:07.140 They know, they learned that because I learned that in January, in February, early February.

00:48:12.580 I already know how this virus transmits to people.

00:48:20.620 And we already know it's airborne.

00:48:29.700 This virus also airborne.

00:48:31.960 And they also can stay on the surface quite a long time.

00:48:35.860 And also you'd know that 86% of confirmed cases are symptomatic.

00:48:42.580 So you don't know the person next to you has virus or not.

00:48:51.240 So the best way to protect yourself and protect others is where is to wear masks.

00:48:57.740 Am I clear?

00:48:58.600 Well, it's such a simple thing.

00:48:59.720 It's such a simple thing, such a cheap thing.

00:49:01.500 I can only imagine the cost of a mask is pennies to make.

00:49:07.440 And yet, for such a simple thing, we don't have them in Canada.

00:49:11.020 Our prime minister sent our national stockpile of masks to communist China in February.

00:49:18.820 I'll never understand that.

00:49:20.280 I'm worried that we haven't geared up our manufacturing either.

00:49:24.000 We've let two, three months go by.

00:49:25.720 And we're not ready to even start making the masks at that scale.

00:49:29.580 Is there anything Taiwan can do for Canada, either in lessons or in actually, if you can make enough masks, export them to us? 0.97

00:49:39.700 I mean, obviously, you have to take care of your own people first in Taiwan.

00:49:44.120 And amazingly, you have.

00:49:48.580 I mean, what scares me, Dr. Chu, is that Canada, like so many other countries, has marginalized Taiwan to please communist China.

00:49:58.460 If we had proper relations with Taiwan, we could have been learning all along. 0.99

00:50:04.120 We could have traded in masks.

00:50:07.440 We could have, like, I'm just worried that not only are we not wise with Taiwan's strategy, but we don't even have strong relations.

00:50:17.800 We should be making Taiwan our best friend and coach and, God willing, even a supplier of masks until we get our own act together.

00:50:27.600 I don't think any of that is being done, at least not that I've heard of.

00:50:31.520 What do you think of these things?

00:50:34.320 You are so, you are so, so onspot.

00:50:38.040 I just want to mention about masks a little bit.

00:50:41.300 In the beginning, Taiwan already invested $6.8 million U.S. dollars to create 60 new mask production lines.

00:50:51.080 And right now, Taiwan has 92 production lines.

00:50:55.960 It means Taiwan produces 130 million masks per day.

00:51:02.820 And yesterday, April 1st, actually, because in Taiwan it's yesterday, but today is April 1st.

00:51:11.920 On April 1st, President Tsai already mentioned that Taiwan is willing to donate $10 million masks to those people, those countries in need.

00:51:28.180 So that is one way.

00:51:30.380 Sorry, go ahead.

00:51:31.540 I interrupted you.

00:51:32.220 Sorry.

00:51:33.560 And that is one way, because we are very happy to collaborate with, not we, I'm Canadian.

00:51:41.900 I mean, Taiwan is very pleased to connect, to collaborate with Canada to fight against COVID-19.

00:51:50.000 So mask is something Taiwan is very willing to collaborate with Canada.

00:51:57.140 And also, Taiwan makes very good masks.

00:52:00.400 And recently, Taiwan already received, also Taiwan is making the mask machine for over 12 countries.

00:52:10.760 So over 12 countries send orders to Taiwan to make the machine for them.

00:52:15.960 Why is Canada one of them?

00:52:18.020 You say 12 countries have asked for the mask-making machines, and that's probably smarter.

00:52:23.700 Taiwan needs its own mask machines to make masks for Taiwanese people.

00:52:28.620 But if we just got the blueprints, or if you made an extra machines, we could set up factories in Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Halifax, and Canada would be set.

00:52:41.480 Do you know if one of those 12 countries is Canada?

00:52:43.820 Do you have a list of those 12 countries?

00:52:45.960 I don't think 12 countries include Canada, but you can't.

00:52:49.760 You know what?

00:52:50.600 Justin Trudeau is so in love with communist China.

00:52:53.700 He's too proud to even ask the only people who've got it together.

00:52:57.740 And you said that the amount of money for these production lines, I think you said 6.8 million US.

00:53:03.460 Is that what you said?

00:53:05.180 At the time, for 60 new mask production lines.

00:53:09.300 Trudeau spends that, Trudeau just gave $50 million to Greece for the virus.

00:53:14.860 And, you know, that amount of money could have built a mask factory in every city.

00:53:19.420 It just drives me crazy to hear this.

00:53:22.480 Listen, that's, I know that politics is not your business.

00:53:25.520 You're a nurse, you're a PhD, and you're president of the Taiwan University Alumni Association of Vancouver.

00:53:30.700 And you've given us a lot of information.

00:53:32.920 You have confirmed from me that Canada's relationship with communist China and our lack of a relationship with Taiwan is a serious problem for our public health. 0.81

00:53:46.160 And it remains a serious problem today.

00:53:48.440 The fact that we're not one of the 12 countries asking for help, frankly, breaks my heart.

00:53:54.480 Dr. Chu, I don't want to keep you much longer.

00:53:57.040 I have one more thing to mention.

00:54:01.480 Yes.

00:54:01.900 Taiwan already invests, Taiwan invests a lot of money in biomedical research.

00:54:06.440 And on March 8th, Taiwan has a national team.

00:54:11.380 They already announced they have a rapid diagnostic test on SARS-CoV-2.

00:54:19.000 This test has already been synthesized and successfully tried on trial.

00:54:25.500 So the test requires only 15 minutes to see the result.

00:54:29.640 So, and they are, they are already been mass producing right now and will be on market very soon.

00:54:36.980 So this is all, it requires 15 minutes.

00:54:40.620 So, so a rapid test, 15 minutes to check if you have the virus.

00:54:45.680 And you say that's been in trials and it's moving to production in Taiwan.

00:54:49.200 Is that right?

00:54:50.520 Yes.

00:54:50.860 And you will come on market very soon.

00:54:53.780 Well, that's just another example of how we need to be friends with Taiwan because we need to learn that.

00:54:59.640 If that's a special technology, we need to license it and get it going here.

00:55:04.580 We don't need Taiwan to make that stuff for us.

00:55:07.380 Let's just do a deal with them where we can set up the factory here, get the, you know, buy the rights, the Canadian rights to it and get it going.

00:55:16.760 I am, I am so frustrated that we're not doing that yet.

00:55:21.700 But I hope that in the course of time we do, I think it'll save lives.

00:55:26.560 It'll obviously save money.

00:55:28.200 But of course, right now, saving lives is the top thing.

00:55:30.220 Dr. Chu, what a pleasure to meet you today.

00:55:32.340 Can I interrupt?

00:55:33.600 Yeah.

00:55:34.020 I just, I just heard a good news because I heard Canadian government already announced work with Taiwanese top research institute called Academica Sinica to work together to fight against COVID-19.

00:55:50.240 So maybe you want to explore, explore further about this news.

00:55:53.800 I absolutely will.

00:55:55.300 And that's news to me.

00:55:57.000 And I'm learning more from you every minute.

00:55:59.380 I'm going to investigate that because maybe Trudeau has finally gotten over his romance with communist China.

00:56:07.000 And he's actually going to the Republic of China, which is the formal name of Taiwan, people who we can actually learn from and get help from because Lord knows we need it.

00:56:16.240 Dr. Chu, thanks so much for your time today.

00:56:18.320 Let's talk again in the weeks ahead because I'm sure we'll still be facing these issues for months to come.

00:56:25.760 Good.

00:56:27.400 All right.

00:56:27.980 Have a great day.

00:56:28.780 Thank you very much.

00:56:29.540 There you have it.

00:56:30.040 Dr. Liren Chu, president of the National Taiwan University Alumni Association in Vancouver.

00:56:35.100 She was the head of the nursing department at a Taiwanese hospital and is a PhD.

00:56:42.220 Stay with us.

00:56:42.800 More ahead on.

00:56:53.020 Hey, welcome back.

00:56:53.900 My monologue yesterday about Trump using industry to fight the coronavirus.

00:56:57.080 Sam writes, American citizens should stop buying made-in-China products.

00:57:01.860 It may sound extreme, but it's time to bring manufacturing back home.

00:57:05.840 Yeah, you know, I learned that an iPhone costs something like 400 bucks to make that sells in Canada for like 1,100 bucks, like a fancy iPhone.

00:57:17.060 Okay, so how much cheaper is it really to manufacture that thing in China than in Canada or the United States?

00:57:23.680 Is it 50 bucks cheaper?

00:57:24.880 Is it 100 bucks cheaper?

00:57:27.080 So either Apple takes a slightly smaller profit or I pay 1,200 bucks instead of 1,100 bucks, but then I don't have to be quarantined for a month.

00:57:38.160 Yeah, I'd pay 100 bucks extra for gadgets.

00:57:41.360 And by the way, what about the safety?

00:57:44.500 We showed you the high hygiene way that Taiwan is protecting its people.

00:57:49.980 I trust stuff made in Taiwan. 0.62

00:57:51.500 I tell you one thing, I don't want to buy a mask made in China, do you? 1.00

00:57:56.380 Roger writes, Trudeau doesn't use industry to help Canada in normal times.

00:58:00.500 He's not going to help Canada now.

00:58:02.100 You're exactly right.

00:58:02.940 Trudeau doesn't know anyone in real industry.

00:58:04.900 The only industry he knows about are things that he invests in with innovation super clusters, grants, and schemes.

00:58:11.420 He doesn't know any actual entrepreneurs.

00:58:13.380 There's not a single genuine entrepreneur in his circle of advisors or friends.

00:58:18.520 Bruce writes, a raise for MPs and an increase in the carbon tax.

00:58:23.640 The red Tories won't say a word about it.

00:58:26.100 I see today that Andrew Scheer has, in fact, decided to give up his.

00:58:29.960 But why isn't he whipping the entire Conservative Party and then causing pressure on the Liberal Party?

00:58:36.160 Do they really, really need their few thousand bucks extra?

00:58:39.880 Where's the political sense?

00:58:41.200 Why don't they say, hey, guys, it's just a rule.

00:58:43.520 I'm whipping you. 0.99

00:58:44.040 If you want to be a Conservative MP, you must give up this pay raise.

00:58:47.560 And we're going to flip it on the other parties and show that we're with the...

00:58:51.160 Why won't you do that?

00:58:53.340 Why won't you do that?

00:58:54.380 I don't know.

00:58:54.940 It's just embarrassing.

00:58:56.400 Well, folks, I hope you enjoyed today's show.

00:58:59.180 We're going heavy on the coronavirus, but I think we're telling you things that you don't get anywhere else.

00:59:05.080 Tell me if I'm wrong on that.

00:59:06.880 All right.

00:59:07.160 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, stay safe.

00:59:10.940 And keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - April 02, 2020

Did the Chinese government cause the Coronavirus pandemic？ Here's what two Chinese government professors say.

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