Rebel News Podcast - Elderly woman chooses suicide instead of living through a second lockdown

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. I have the worst story of the year for you, the saddest, most pathetic story.

00:00:05.160 A 90-year-old grandma who had a tough time in the first lockdown 0.97

00:00:09.840 said she didn't want to have a second lockdown, so she chose to kill herself.

00:00:17.200 It's a true and terrible story, and I'll tell it to you next.

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00:01:01.440 All right, here's today's podcast.

00:01:02.640 Tonight, an elderly woman chooses suicide instead of living through a second lockdown. 0.64

00:01:23.800 It's November 20th, and this is the Ezra the Mad Show.

00:01:26.520 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:32.400 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:36.480 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:47.120 This story is so awful, I thought it might be a hoax, and part of me still thinks it is.

00:01:52.060 I can't even believe it, and I can't believe how many people are parties to it, collaborated in it, aided, and abetted it.

00:01:59.020 That's what makes it hard for me to believe how everyone went along with it.

00:02:03.280 But I suppose watching people alone in their cars by themselves wearing a mask,

00:02:09.320 perhaps I should not be surprised that people go along as easily with things as they do.

00:02:15.120 Here's the story in CTV.

00:02:17.020 Facing another retirement home lockdown, 90-year-old chooses medically-assisted death.

00:02:24.720 Okay, so she was obviously stopped, right?

00:02:27.000 Obviously talked out of it, right?

00:02:28.820 She was rescued, right?

00:02:30.960 If not by some government authority, at least by her friends and family, right?

00:02:35.840 Yeah, no, apparently not.

00:02:38.160 When 90-year-old Nancy Russell died last month, she was surrounded by friends and family.

00:02:42.820 Yeah, some friends, some family.

00:02:44.800 They clustered around her bed, singing a song she had chosen to send her off,

00:02:50.260 as a doctor helped her through a medically-assisted death.

00:02:55.680 Look at that language there.

00:02:57.320 A doctor helped her.

00:02:59.880 I didn't know that was help.

00:03:02.300 A medically-assisted death.

00:03:05.360 You mean he killed her, right?

00:03:07.880 You mean he like injected her with something, right?

00:03:09.760 I mean, very nicely and very politely, of course, but it's also passive in language.

00:03:15.120 It's that classic phrase, mistakes were made.

00:03:19.280 You know who talks in the passive tense like that?

00:03:22.160 Justin Trudeau, whenever he's caught breaking the law.

00:03:24.520 We can all learn something from this or something like that.

00:03:27.460 Anyways, yeah.

00:03:28.960 She was put down like an old family dog.

00:03:31.220 It was the exact opposite of the lonely months of lockdown Russell had suffered through

00:03:37.020 in the retirement home where Russell had lived for several years.

00:03:41.160 That was the whole point.

00:03:43.260 Got it.

00:03:44.380 So the only time she had friends and family with her was when she was being euthanized.

00:03:50.060 No one sees a problem with that.

00:03:51.760 Across Canada, long-term care homes and retirement homes are seeing rising cases of COVID-19 and

00:03:58.140 deaths yet again, a worrisome trend that is leading to more restrictions for the residents.

00:04:04.300 Oh, so the residents are the problem?

00:04:07.140 Not the retirement homes and the government regulators?

00:04:10.560 See, it's not seniors who are dying from COVID.

00:04:13.600 I just want to be clear on that.

00:04:15.760 It's seniors in these homes. 1.00

00:04:18.240 Take a look at this.

00:04:18.840 Here's the latest report from Manitoba.

00:04:21.760 Eight deaths.

00:04:24.320 All eight in seniors' homes.

00:04:27.220 There are lots of people in Manitoba who are 70 or 80 or even 90 years old.

00:04:32.560 Lots.

00:04:34.160 They didn't die.

00:04:36.540 Only the ones in these seniors' warehouses are dying. 1.00

00:04:41.100 And you think the answer is to put more restrictions on the residents there?

00:04:45.500 Hey, word to the wise, if you care about granny, get her the hell out of there. 1.00

00:04:52.720 Or maybe that's the point.

00:04:53.780 Maybe that's where people send their grannies to die when they're tired of them. 1.00

00:04:59.200 The sort of people who don't visit their granny until it's time for her to be put on the ice 0.99

00:05:04.200 flow and drifted away.

00:05:06.440 Let me read some more.

00:05:07.240 These lockdowns are taking another toll among those who don't get COVID-19.

00:05:12.460 Residents eat meals in their rooms, have activities and social gatherings canceled, family visits

00:05:18.060 curtailed or eliminated.

00:05:19.420 Sometimes they are in isolation in their small rooms for days.

00:05:23.220 These measures aimed at saving lives can sometimes be detrimental enough to the overall health of

00:05:29.520 residents that they find themselves looking into other options, unquote.

00:05:33.140 Exactly.

00:05:34.000 So they're being tortured.

00:05:36.040 Psychology today.

00:05:37.600 It's torture.

00:05:40.020 Here's some law professors.

00:05:41.940 It's torture.

00:05:43.520 When you put someone in solitary confinement, it's torture.

00:05:46.080 Here's Trudeau's CBC state broadcaster.

00:05:48.220 It's torture.

00:05:49.740 Or at least that's what all these groups say when it's criminals in solitary confinement in

00:05:54.200 prison, they're talking about.

00:05:56.100 But when it's granny, they call it public health. 1.00

00:05:59.300 Imagine having this as your sole human contact.

00:06:03.560 That is elder abuse.

00:06:06.180 This is bizarre.

00:06:07.040 This is not scientific.

00:06:08.240 This is a lie.

00:06:10.140 Here's a hugging station.

00:06:12.600 Sorry, that is not normal.

00:06:14.060 That's not normal for a disease with a 99.9% recovery rate.

00:06:17.660 Actually, I'm sorry I understated it.

00:06:19.360 It's actually 99.997% recovery rate for people under age 20.

00:06:24.720 It's 99.98% for people under age 50.

00:06:28.280 It's 99.5% for people under age 70.

00:06:32.020 Those are statistics from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control.

00:06:35.540 And if we were talking about Ebola, sure.

00:06:38.000 Black plague, sure.

00:06:39.560 But a disease as deadly as, you know, a bad flu season?

00:06:43.280 No.

00:06:44.720 Let me read some more.

00:06:45.620 Russell, described by her family as exceptionally social and spry, was one such person.

00:06:51.960 Her family says she chose a medically assisted death, MAID, after she declined so sharply during

00:06:59.240 lockdown that she didn't want to go through more isolation this winter.

00:07:01.960 Being mobile was everything to my mom, her daughter Tori told CTV News.

00:07:08.060 My mother was extremely curious, and she was very interested in every person she met and

00:07:14.000 every idea that she came across.

00:07:15.740 So she was constantly reading, going to different shows and talks.

00:07:19.120 She was frequently talking about people she met and their life stories.

00:07:22.020 Very curious, open-minded.

00:07:23.700 So for 90, she was exceptional.

00:07:25.820 Imagine your mom, who was so lively, telling you she wanted to kill herself because she was

00:07:32.700 lonely, and you say, sure.

00:07:39.200 And the doctor says, sure.

00:07:42.840 And the largest private broadcaster writes about it and says, sure.

00:07:47.300 And the government says, sure.

00:07:49.740 You're lonely for two weeks?

00:07:51.340 Time to go.

00:07:53.560 The story is clear.

00:07:54.480 It wasn't the virus that killed her.

00:07:56.220 It was the lockdown.

00:07:57.600 Let me read some more.

00:07:59.000 But the first wave of COVID-19 restrictions in March ended her daily walks.

00:08:03.000 Why would it do that, by the way?

00:08:05.100 Library visits and all the activities in her Toronto retirement home.

00:08:08.220 Her daughter says they had plastic dividers in the dining rooms and supervised visits in

00:08:13.140 the garden.

00:08:14.500 She almost overnight went from a very active lifestyle to a very limited life, and they had

00:08:18.880 very early on a complete two-week confinement just to her room, Tori says.

00:08:22.860 Two weeks?

00:08:24.480 In solitary.

00:08:26.140 Imagine accepting that.

00:08:30.000 During those two weeks, since she couldn't exercise by walking to the library or doing

00:08:33.580 her own shopping, Russell would stand up and sit down again and again in her room, counting

00:08:37.860 the times, her daughter said.

00:08:40.880 You know, they have things in zoos to keep the animals distracted so they don't go mad.

00:08:47.080 I guess they just didn't get around to it in the seniors' home.

00:08:51.140 In that two weeks, all of us were phoning, and she learned Zoom and got up to speed, but she felt

00:08:56.220 extremely restricted, naturally.

00:08:58.340 As did everybody.

00:08:59.140 Well, you know, but you know, we were all so busy.

00:09:03.360 I guess we could have visited or, hell, busted her out of that place and let her stay in our 1.00

00:09:08.640 own spare bedroom in our house.

00:09:09.860 But you know, we're all so busy these days.

00:09:12.520 But with that new Netflix series and, you know, the government knows best, incredibly, the

00:09:20.460 suicide victim apparently said the same.

00:09:24.980 Tori said that her mother didn't blame the care home in any way and that she fully understood

00:09:29.920 why that rule had to be in place.

00:09:32.640 Got it.

00:09:33.460 Accepting why that rule had to be in place.

00:09:35.420 So I accept that I must die because of some random and unscientific rule to stop me from

00:09:43.360 dying.

00:09:44.400 I have to die to stop myself from dying.

00:09:46.900 That's the logic.

00:09:48.620 That's the logic of our entire Western civilization these days, isn't it?

00:09:52.800 The irony here, look at this.

00:09:55.340 My mother understood the fragility of the people in the building and the importance of protecting

00:09:59.800 them.

00:10:00.400 So it was just a very difficult time, Tori says.

00:10:04.080 So to protect the people, we have to euthanize the people. 0.86

00:10:06.880 It's so important to protect people, she said, as the doctor injected her with the serum that

00:10:11.740 would kill her. 0.82

00:10:12.580 We must do everything to protect people, especially the elderly for whom we care so much.

00:10:17.320 We have to kill them to save people.

00:10:19.380 Come on.

00:10:21.500 Now, her family is filled with her death, but not the first doctor she talked to.

00:10:25.880 Quote, the first doctor she applied to said no.

00:10:28.680 My mom told me, he said to her, you've got too much to live for, Tori said.

00:10:34.900 In Canada, you do not need to have a fatal or terminal condition to apply for MAID.

00:10:40.500 I love others saying that word.

00:10:42.580 But you must have a serious condition, be in an advanced stage of irreversible decline,

00:10:46.860 be experiencing mental or physical suffering that cannot be relieved, and be at the point

00:10:52.280 where your natural death has become reasonably foreseeable, according to Health Canada.

00:10:56.500 So she obviously doesn't fit that description, but they kept shopping her around, it sounds

00:11:02.640 like, until they found a doctor willing to off granny. 0.66

00:11:06.440 I love that phrase, MAID.

00:11:08.640 It's so much prettier than euthanasia.

00:11:11.480 There's no word death or kill or anything mean like that that you say out loud.

00:11:15.880 I'll read more.

00:11:16.380 She just truly did not believe that she wanted to try another one of those two-week confinements

00:11:22.240 into her room.

00:11:23.220 Her daughter said, I mean, really, what other choice was there, right?

00:11:29.200 Dr. Samir Sinha, a geriatric specialist at Mount Sinai Hospital, commends the family for

00:11:34.940 telling their mother's story.

00:11:36.160 Hey, hey, seniors, give that guy a bit of, give him a bit of space if you're feeling a cough.

00:11:43.360 I do appreciate that this family has come forward, especially when the balance of evidence out

00:11:49.140 there actually says that these restrictions, in too many circumstances, are overly restrictive

00:11:53.560 and actually causing unnecessary harm, Sinha told CTV News.

00:11:58.140 That's the best you got, eh?

00:11:59.840 Hey, guys, maybe we should look at lockdowns a bit more closely if grannies are killing themselves? 1.00

00:12:05.680 I guess these days that counts as being a courageous doctor.

00:12:09.520 I wouldn't be surprised if even with that meek protest, he gets some ethics complaints

00:12:15.320 to the College of Physicians and Surgeons for even questioning the lockdown.

00:12:19.520 When you stick someone alone and deprive them of the usual things that bring them interest

00:12:23.780 and joy, that can be an incredibly isolating, lonely, depressing experience in that set.

00:12:28.640 Okay, so he's coming around a bit.

00:12:30.240 Here's how the story ends.

00:12:31.800 I worry about seniors.

00:12:33.080 I worry about families who feel helpless.

00:12:34.780 I felt helpless, and I believe some other members of my family did at times.

00:12:40.140 Tori said, that's the daughter. 0.99

00:12:41.960 She's the real victim here because she felt helpless, so granny's got to go. 1.00

00:12:45.940 Yeah, your mom just killed yourself with your blessing.

00:12:49.640 So I don't think you were worried about the right things at the right times there, Tori.

00:12:54.980 As I've noted before, Quebec has 61% of all the COVID deaths in Canada.

00:12:58.840 But they have just a quarter of the population, nearly triple that rate of death, right?

00:13:04.920 Why?

00:13:05.360 How?

00:13:06.520 Is there something in the water there?

00:13:08.560 The doctors aren't as good?

00:13:10.380 No, I don't think it's that.

00:13:12.220 I think it's because they have the most aggressive euthanasia laws in the country.

00:13:16.820 From that point of view, it's win, win, win, you see.

00:13:20.120 Heartless kids say goodbye to granny instead of having the burden of caring for her.

00:13:24.680 They got Netflix shows to watch, not boring old granny. 1.00

00:13:29.560 The government likes it.

00:13:30.680 They don't have to pay for ongoing medical care or pensions, save the money, get rid of 1.00

00:13:36.020 old people who overwhelmingly have pre-existing medical conditions that are expensive, heart

00:13:41.660 disease, cancer, diabetes, whatever.

00:13:44.520 And the public health deep state loves it.

00:13:47.880 Just like this kooky and hilarious and sad story where a man fell off a ladder and died

00:13:53.720 and it was counted as a coronavirus death.

00:13:57.580 I bet you this Nancy Russell, who was suicided with her family and doctor, I bet you she's

00:14:02.820 going to be counted as a virus death.

00:14:04.040 And in a way, she was, wasn't she?

00:14:06.000 I mean, a government doctor killed her because she was worried about a government lockdown.

00:14:12.020 But sure, I mean, it was the virus that gave all of those evil forces their justification,

00:14:18.220 wasn't it?

00:14:20.360 Stay with us for more.

00:14:23.720 There are many more affidavits here.

00:14:35.540 I'd like to read them all to you, but I don't have the time.

00:14:38.280 You should have had the time and energy to go look for them.

00:14:41.720 That's your job.

00:14:43.860 Like it's my job to defend the president and to represent the president.

00:14:47.160 It's your job to read these things and not falsely report that there's no evidence.

00:14:51.920 Do you know how many affidavits we have in the Michigan case?

00:14:55.800 220 affidavits.

00:14:57.640 They're not all public, but eight of them are.

00:15:00.480 Four affiants here.

00:15:02.280 Those are people who give affidavits.

00:15:04.420 Report an incident that under any other circumstances would have been on the front page of all your newspapers.

00:15:10.320 If it didn't involve the hatred that you have, the irrational pathological hatred that you have for the president.

00:15:17.140 Well, that was Rudy Giuliani just tearing a strip off journalists in the United States.

00:15:23.940 Very vigorously saying not only does voting fraud exist, but shame on journalists for not making inquiries themselves.

00:15:32.160 It's a good point.

00:15:32.900 Voting fraud, Russian collusion was the only thing we heard from the media party for the first three years trying to delegitimize Trump's election.

00:15:43.060 When we have genuine problems in key states, battleground states this time, though, the media couldn't be hastier in their unanimous view that Joe Biden must be crowned the president right away.

00:15:58.340 In that press conference, there was also a lawyer named Sidney Powell, who made more dramatic allegations about a foreign internet conspiracy, I suppose, to literally revise and undo votes electronically.

00:16:19.060 A spectacular claim that has yet to be proved, but some would say you save your evidence for the court of law, not for press conferences.

00:16:27.420 Joining us to help digest this huge story is our friend, Joe Pollack, senior editor at large at Breitbart.com.

00:16:35.620 Joe, great to see you again.

00:16:37.940 There were a lot of work-a-day allegations, like regular election fraud allegations in the press conference.

00:16:45.980 What Sidney Powell talked about, this Venezuelan company changing millions of votes, I've never heard anything so spectacular like that in my life.

00:16:53.700 And it makes me nervous when I hear something that spectacular because it's almost like I want it to be true to explain this election loss, but it feels like it's too far.

00:17:03.960 How do you feel about that?

00:17:04.980 Well, I think she's operating on a theory, and I've heard it from a couple of other people who are studying what they see are patterns in the data, and they're also looking at the ownership of some of these companies that run the voting machines and so forth.

00:17:23.300 So it all seems speculative to me.

00:17:25.460 I mean, I can't rule anything out, but it's not the kind of thing that's going to be easily provable, even if it is presented to a court of law.

00:17:34.020 You'd actually have to show evidence of a crime.

00:17:37.800 What she's alleging is a crime.

00:17:38.980 So that would obviously take significant proof and development of evidence, and I don't know that that's going to be something they can even do, even if it did happen.

00:17:50.700 Let's assume, for argument's sake, that it did.

00:17:52.940 I don't know that they're going to be able to do that in the time they have left before states certify their votes.

00:17:59.480 But Giuliani's accusations seemed to hang together a little better, and they seemed a little more credible to me because I think they are the kind of errors or, in his estimation, deliberate interference with the election that you would expect in mass mail-in voting.

00:18:20.740 There's no civilized country that does an election through mass mail-in voting, and the reason is, as Jimmy Carter said in 2005, absentee ballots are the most vulnerable to fraud.

00:18:33.620 And we saw in early attempts this year to run elections through mass mail-in voting where it hadn't been done before that roughly one in four of the ballots were rejected.

00:18:44.980 Either they didn't have signatures on them, or they were sent by voters who were ineligible, or the addresses were wrong.

00:18:52.980 There were all kinds of problems.

00:18:54.160 You can imagine how awful it would be to try to determine the outcome of a national election if one out of every four ballots submitted by mail, and two-thirds of the early ballots in this election were submitted by mail, one out of four is wrong.

00:19:08.020 I mean, that could swing the results in any number of states.

00:19:11.380 And what Democrats did was they sued in a lot of states, I think 18 states altogether, to weaken some of the rules on absentee ballots.

00:19:23.680 That made the ballots easier to accept, harder to reject.

00:19:27.180 So that's probably the most plausible explanation for the rejection rate plummeting from around about 25 percent to well below 1 percent.

00:19:35.800 They did it through the courts, and they were able to, in some cases, negotiate these consent decrees, which Democrats did in Georgia, for example.

00:19:44.800 The consent decree in Georgia makes it almost impossible to check ballot signatures, even though you're required to do that by state law.

00:19:52.280 In Georgia, the consent decree, again, which didn't go through the legislature, it just went through the courts, makes it almost impossible to actually practically check the ballot signatures.

00:20:01.680 So Democrats succeeded in weakening all these protections, and they then ran a turnout operation based on vote by mail.

00:20:08.120 So what Giuliani describes, where ballots are not being checked properly, not being observed properly, perhaps are being included when they shouldn't be, that sounds like what you might expect.

00:20:19.400 And you might expect that even through a quasi-legal process, because the Democrats were able to obtain these agreements or these judgments that allowed some of that stuff to happen.

00:20:29.540 In Pennsylvania, for example, they're now supposed to accept ballots that are received even without postmarks.

00:20:35.760 So there's no guarantee they even went through the mail.

00:20:38.520 Somebody might have just put it in a box somewhere.

00:20:41.740 They didn't mail it in.

00:20:42.800 So there are all these safeguards that have been dropped.

00:20:46.220 So Giuliani's claims, he's alleging a little bit more than I'm stating.

00:20:50.180 He's saying that there were deliberate violations of the rules.

00:20:53.100 Another claim the campaign is making is that the rules as adopted were invalid and unconstitutional, which I think is actually a good argument. 1.00

00:21:01.260 So Giuliani's allegations hang together a little bit better for me.

00:21:05.320 Sidney Powell is out there talking about an issue that is going to be difficult to prove, I think, even if she has evidence.

00:21:12.000 How do you how do you develop a case that is so complicated?

00:21:17.820 And, you know, it's on the level of Democrats saying that Russians interfered in the election.

00:21:23.780 It's not impossible that they interfered.

00:21:26.160 We know that Russians may have been involved in some of the hacking of DNC emails, for example, earlier in the 2016 campaign.

00:21:33.540 But what she's saying is exactly the kind of things Democrats and the media did say for four years almost.

00:21:39.560 But that doesn't make it true.

00:21:40.780 So I find her allegations a little harder to believe.

00:21:44.580 I'm sure she believes them.

00:21:45.760 She seemed to deliver them with a lot of passion.

00:21:48.100 But as Giuliani pointed out also in a moment in the press conference, the allegation that the election was improperly decided doesn't hang on Sidney Powell's allegation that Giuliani's case is independent.

00:22:02.860 And in his view, it's sufficient.

00:22:06.340 So the Sidney Powell allegations are not necessary for the Trump campaign to make its case.

00:22:11.580 Again, this is a very, very hard case to win.

00:22:13.800 It's going to require the Trump campaign to win in a number of states.

00:22:17.820 That's kind of like hitting the trifecta in horse racing.

00:22:21.400 You don't just have to guess the winner, but you have to guess the winner second place and third place.

00:22:25.940 That's the kind of task they've set for themselves.

00:22:28.460 So I think simply because they have to overturn results in so many places, the Trump campaign has a very low chance of succeeding.

00:22:37.500 However, the case is coherent.

00:22:39.400 I mean, they have a theory as to how this happened.

00:22:42.200 Part of it is plausible.

00:22:44.060 And I think they helped themselves by making it yesterday, although the media, of course, are only focusing on the parts of the case they find least plausible.

00:22:51.620 Yeah.

00:22:52.220 Well, let me throw something at you.

00:22:54.340 I know that Justice Alito of the Supreme Court asked that Pennsylvania set aside votes that were received after Election Day, if I'm recalling correctly.

00:23:04.540 So that sounds to me like a very clear thing when you have a group of ballots that are suspects, set them aside, and then maybe those baskets will be discounted later.

00:23:15.480 That sounds very practical and something you can measure and count.

00:23:19.620 But for example, I'm reading your article on Breitbart.com.

00:23:24.600 Let me refer to it.

00:23:25.580 And for folks to read, I recommend you read the whole thing.

00:23:27.820 It's called Nine Key Points from Trump Campaign Press Conference on Challenges to Election Results.

00:23:33.240 Your first one is observers were allegedly prevented from watching mail-in ballots being opened.

00:23:39.300 And that's very believable to me.

00:23:41.040 We've probably all seen videos on Twitter of scrutineers being kept out of places.

00:23:47.920 We saw, I think it was in Philadelphia or it was in Michigan, boarding putting up so people physically could not watch counting.

00:23:54.440 So let's say that it's established that things were done in the dark.

00:23:59.020 Do you set aside those votes?

00:24:01.080 So even if a judge says, yes, I agree, scrutineers were banned, these five things weren't done, is that enough to make a judge say, therefore I throw out, throw out what?

00:24:13.700 How many?

00:24:14.220 Do you even know how many?

00:24:15.420 So this is interesting.

00:24:16.940 So it's important to make these distinctions.

00:24:19.780 I hope I'm going to help clarify things.

00:24:22.460 Some of the cases, particularly I think where you saw the boards being put up to keep people out, I think that involved excluding people who may not actually have been official observers, who tried to enlist as observers or scrutineers, but they were in excess of the observers who were already in that particular counting place.

00:24:44.220 So I don't want to allege that they kept people out.

00:24:47.640 I don't even think the Trump campaign is saying they kept people out in that part of the case.

00:24:51.000 I think they've complained about it in other ways.

00:24:53.220 And we do know some poll workers were excluded.

00:24:55.300 I know of at least one case where someone was excluded accidentally or mistakenly because a local official got the law wrong.

00:25:01.200 But anyway, what everyone agrees on, and you can see this in the court filings, is that the observers were kept a far distance away from the area where the absentee ballots were being opened.

00:25:14.780 And the only dispute between Democrats and Republicans is whether that was lawful or not.

00:25:22.780 In the trial court in Pennsylvania, Democrats prevailed.

00:25:26.160 In the Commonwealth court, which I guess is the appellate court in Pennsylvania, the Republicans prevailed.

00:25:32.180 And then the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturned that decision.

00:25:35.520 And what they said was the law only requires that observers be present.

00:25:40.120 It doesn't be it doesn't require that they actually wait for it doesn't require that they actually observe anything.

00:25:47.700 So so it just requires them to be in the room.

00:25:50.700 And the Pennsylvania Supreme Court decided that if the state legislature had wanted to stipulate that people must actually be able to observe something, they must actually be able to see something.

00:25:59.580 They would have said so. Oh, it's an unusually it's an unusually deferential approach to the law.

00:26:06.880 The Pennsylvania Supreme Court has often not been deferential to the text of the law.

00:26:10.740 In fact, when making up the rule that you could accept ballots after Election Day, they simply went out on their own and not not adhering to the state statute.

00:26:18.680 But anyway, is that appealable or is that the end of it?

00:26:21.920 That can. No, no, I think that is appealable.

00:26:23.960 It's going to go. I think that could go to the Supreme Court and it is going to involve enough votes to overturn the result in Pennsylvania.

00:26:30.360 I think it's between six hundred and seven hundred thousand of the other part of the case, though, you have to understand is this.

00:26:36.180 What Giuliani said was.

00:26:38.320 The reason observing the envelopes was important was they had to match the signature on the envelope to a signature on file on the voter roll.

00:26:47.740 And you can't make that match happen unless you actually look at the signatures.

00:26:53.700 And so the observers wanted to be sure that the signatures were being matched properly and that the ballot counters weren't simply ripping open the envelopes and using the ballots regardless.

00:27:04.740 Why is that important?

00:27:06.480 Normally, you wouldn't necessarily overturn six hundred, seven hundred thousand votes just for a small procedural mistake like that.

00:27:13.740 The reason that's important is it's a mistake that can't be undone.

00:27:16.280 Apparently, they threw the envelopes away.

00:27:19.060 So those ballots are now just mixed into the rest of the pile of ballots and they can't really be traced back to the original envelopes.

00:27:26.540 There's no way, in other words, to go back to those six hundred or seven hundred thousand ballots and to double check whether they indeed were cast by voters who were on the rolls.

00:27:37.320 So what Giuliani is saying is that the exclusion of observers from a critical stage in ascertaining the legality of those votes means the entire collection of votes that was counted during that period ought to be invalidated because there's no way to validate whether they're legal or not.

00:27:56.260 So I think that is a actually a serious claim.

00:28:00.380 It's probably the most serious claim out of all the ones we've seen so far.

00:28:04.520 And I've said before, and I think Alan Dershowitz has also said that the Trump campaign's strongest case is in Pennsylvania.

00:28:10.480 They have a weaker case elsewhere.

00:28:14.020 But again, this is the problem with mail-in voting.

00:28:17.320 You're going to get these kinds of challenges.

00:28:19.140 And also, even if everything is done by the book, what happens typically with mail-in voting is that the result after Election Day is very different from the result on Election Day.

00:28:28.920 Mail-in voting creates the impression of fraud even when there isn't fraud.

00:28:32.000 It's something we in California have unfortunately become used to, and the first time you see it, it feels like something horrible has taken place.

00:28:41.220 You can't think of any other explanation than fraud, but it's just the fact that mail-in ballots work this way.

00:28:47.600 Sometimes it works to the advantage of Republicans.

00:28:49.800 Two California Republicans just won their congressional races.

00:28:53.120 They were losing on election night, but the mail-in ballots came in for the Republicans this time.

00:28:57.240 So it can go either way, although it tends to go more often for Democrats.

00:29:00.460 But the first time you watch this happen, it does lead you to think it must be fraudulent.

00:29:06.160 And it's just the major problem of mail-in ballots.

00:29:09.060 They create this impression that the politicians or the election officials simply waited to see how far behind one candidate was on election night and then gone and found the ballots they need to make up the difference.

00:29:19.900 I find this deeply troubling.

00:29:21.920 I mean, I'm reminded of when Richard Nixon had the election stolen from him in 1960 by the Chicago Kennedy Democrat machine, and he chose not to fight it.

00:29:33.940 He said it would rip the country apart too badly, and he was a patriot first.

00:29:38.280 I really believe that.

00:29:39.120 And he waited, and he had his chance later.

00:29:43.140 I think that the tone and the drama is so much worse.

00:29:47.500 What I wonder is if the Supreme Court will have the courage or the bloody-mindedness to overturn this, or I know you've suggested this before, if they just throw it back to the Constitution, as in, hey, the Constitution says that these electors are chosen by the states in any manner.

00:30:10.140 So I suppose, and let's wrap up on this because I know you've got to go, if these elections are so compromised and some of it's unfixable, like you mentioned, the envelopes are thrown away, could it happen that the Supreme Court says there's so many anomalies here, the patterns, the facts we do have, putting aside the wilder theories that would probably take a Mueller-like investigation to find out what happened in Venezuela,

00:30:38.480 according to Sidney Powell's points, let's just throw it back to the states under the Constitution and have them choose in, what is it, a statehouse vote or a vote of their congressional delegation.

00:30:52.180 If the Supreme Court wanted to stop this election but have someone else make the final decision, who would they throw it to in, say, the case of Pennsylvania?

00:31:00.100 I think they would probably say the state legislature would have the responsibility to choose the electors, and I think that's the right approach.

00:31:12.520 I do think the state legislature would probably find some formula that split the electoral vote proportionally, rather than giving all of the votes to Trump.

00:31:21.340 I think they're going to have to find some way to do it.

00:31:24.720 If it does go back to the state legislature, they'll find some way to do it that doesn't antagonize the people who voted.

00:31:31.520 They'll probably find some way of approximating what the vote might have looked like.

00:31:35.940 Maybe they'll just split it down the middle.

00:31:37.720 Either way, Joe Biden would still win the election.

00:31:39.560 So I think that state legislators in this case, or members of Congress, if it goes up to the House of Representatives, which it could eventually, I think they're going to be reluctant to do anything that will overturn the election because it would cause a public backlash.

00:31:53.700 And even though the Constitution allows them to do it, I think that in this circumstance, I can imagine other circumstances where they might be much bolder about doing something.

00:32:04.840 But in this circumstance, I just think they're not going to do anything that changes the result of the election.

00:32:09.760 So I don't really see a path there for the president.

00:32:13.540 I think he's doing the right thing by fighting.

00:32:15.580 This is, by the way, the minimum that Democrats want their candidates to do.

00:32:18.680 Every time, 2000, 2004, Democrats insisted on fighting for every vote.

00:32:23.440 It was the minimum a candidate had to promise.

00:32:26.000 So the idea that this is somehow undemocratic is just ludicrous, especially because the way these voting rules were changed.

00:32:32.620 I mean, the voting rules were changed in an undemocratic way through the courts.

00:32:37.380 So the idea that what Trump's doing is undemocratic is just ridiculous to me.

00:32:40.940 But I think most Americans are actually just waiting for the process to play out.

00:32:45.380 I think everybody understands this.

00:32:46.740 It's the media and the chattering political classes that have gotten themselves worked up about this.

00:32:51.340 But I think most Americans who've had to deal with courts and who've watched these elections before pretty much know how this is going to end.

00:32:57.520 The courts are going to rule.

00:32:58.780 Everyone will respect the decision of the court.

00:33:00.420 They'll complain about it, but they'll respect the decisions.

00:33:03.400 There might be some surprises.

00:33:04.720 Trump might win a state he didn't win on Election Day or shortly thereafter.

00:33:08.260 But anyway, I think this will wind to hopefully a pleasant conclusion that allows everybody to move forward.

00:33:16.940 Well, I don't think it'll be pleasant, but there will be a conclusion.

00:33:19.620 Joel, we'll let you go.

00:33:20.460 Thanks so much for your time today.

00:33:21.660 Thank you.

00:33:22.540 Whoops.

00:33:22.880 All right.

00:33:23.860 You take care.

00:33:24.420 Joel Pollack, senior editor at large at Breitbart.com.

00:33:26.960 What a pleasure to have him with us, as always.

00:33:29.000 Stay with us.

00:33:29.480 Hey, welcome back.

00:33:42.520 Your feedback on the World Economic Forum article.

00:33:44.720 Doug writes, I, for one, don't want to rent my food.

00:33:49.260 You know, it's such a crazy story about renting everything, not owning anything.

00:33:53.540 Exactly.

00:33:54.100 Your food, your clothes.

00:33:55.560 It's just who owns it?

00:33:57.120 Who made it?

00:33:57.720 Why would it be owned or made if someone doesn't own it?

00:34:00.580 It's crazy talk.

00:34:03.140 On Andrew Scheer, Andre writes, maybe Andrew Scheer is feeding insider info to the liberals.

00:34:07.560 No, he's not that clever, and he's not that cunning.

00:34:10.500 He's just a slow motion grifter who's gone through it.

00:34:13.160 Remember, he was one of the youngest MPs ever elected.

00:34:16.540 He never had a real job.

00:34:18.020 He was almost an insurance salesman, but hadn't got qualified yet.

00:34:23.100 He's been a government employee ever since, but not a low level.

00:34:28.840 He was an MP.

00:34:30.080 He was speaker, oversaw hundreds of millions of dollars of parliamentary budgets.

00:34:36.020 He grew up as a grifter.

00:34:38.880 He's really known little else, and apparently he didn't have enough guidance around him,

00:34:43.700 either from the party or from his family, to know you don't put family members on the

00:34:48.960 government payroll.

00:34:49.880 No, that's what liberals do, not conservatives.

00:34:53.080 And it's super gross that Andrew Scheer is still hurting the conservative brand, so now

00:34:58.340 it's actually a problem for Erin O'Toole. 1.00

00:35:01.120 If Justin Trudeau, the crooked, law-breaking liberal, won't allow Yasmin Rutanzy to hire 0.89

00:35:08.780 her sister if she's kicked out of the caucus, why is Erin O'Toole having a lower ethical 1.00

00:35:14.960 standard for his caucus?

00:35:17.040 I just don't get it.

00:35:18.480 Well, my friends, that's the end of a very busy week here at Rebel News.

00:35:22.020 Next week is going to be even busier as little tyrants across this country bring in their lockdowns. 1.00

00:35:27.820 I think things are more dire than ever, and I swear to you, as God is my witness, we will

00:35:32.620 be there to cover it and to fight it.

00:35:36.160 All right, until next time, on behalf of all of us, good night.

00:35:39.780 Keep fighting for freedom.

00:35:40.860 Thank you.

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Rebel News Podcast - November 21, 2020

Elderly woman chooses suicide instead of living through a second lockdown

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