Rebel News Podcast - Erin O’Toole beats Peter MacKay for the Tory leadership — and Leslyn Lewis has a strikingly strong finish

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, I go through the election night of the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:00:05.220 I don't know if you saw it, but last night, Sheila Gunn-Reed and I had an eight-hour live stream.

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00:00:15.760 and I'll play a few clips from it, and I'll give you some interesting stats from how the vote went.

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00:00:33.260 Okay, here's the podcast.

00:00:41.060 Tonight, Aaron O'Toole beats Peter McKay for the Tory leadership,

00:00:53.140 and Leslyn Lewis has a strikingly strong finish.

00:00:56.160 It's August 24th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:00.960 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:04.660 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:08.720 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it

00:01:12.260 is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:14.600 I was really worried that Peter McKay was going to win the Conservative Party's leadership contest last night.

00:01:24.160 He had the biggest name recognition of the four candidates.

00:01:27.120 He claimed to have the biggest budget.

00:01:28.840 He had the most endorsements from party poobahs, including from MPs and senators. 0.98

00:01:34.020 His French wasn't great, but it was better than zero. 1.00

00:01:36.240 I thought that McKay would simply buy his way to the front

00:01:39.600 because the rules for the party make it possible to game the system.

00:01:43.760 As in, you know, there are 338 different electoral districts in Canada.

00:01:48.200 It used to be called ridings.

00:01:50.260 So in the Tory leadership voting system,

00:01:52.380 every one of those districts has 100 points up for grabs.

00:01:56.080 All right.

00:01:57.100 But the number of points you get in any given district

00:01:59.740 is proportionate to the votes you received in that district.

00:02:03.520 But here's the wrinkle.

00:02:06.420 There are plenty of ridings in Canada,

00:02:08.080 like, I'm going to pick one,

00:02:09.780 Gaspésie, Les Îles de la Madeleine.

00:02:12.480 How's my French?

00:02:13.480 That's in Quebec.

00:02:15.040 They have almost no Conservative Party members there.

00:02:18.280 In fact, last night, a grand total of 33 people

00:02:23.540 in that whole riding voted in the race.

00:02:26.540 In Rosemont, Le Petit Patrie,

00:02:29.440 just 37 members voted.

00:02:31.060 And in Bourassa, Quebec, I'm not even kidding,

00:02:34.900 there were only 28 people in the Conservative Party there who voted.

00:02:39.880 If you look at Bourassa,

00:02:41.040 Derek Sloan actually got, I think, 10 out of those 33 votes or something.

00:02:44.300 But since he was the first candidate eliminated,

00:02:46.300 his votes were reapportioned to their second candidate

00:02:48.600 and then again in the third round.

00:02:49.900 So when it ended, the riding of Bourassa

00:02:51.880 gave 65 points to Aaron O'Toole

00:02:56.240 and 34 points to Peter McKay.

00:02:59.700 O'Toole earned 65 points

00:03:01.380 and he literally had only

00:03:03.140 eight people vote in the first round

00:03:06.240 saying, Aaron's my guy.

00:03:07.380 Eight people voting, 65 points.

00:03:09.960 Now, swing to the other end of things,

00:03:11.200 Alberta ridings.

00:03:12.640 Calgary, Signal Hill.

00:03:14.020 1,697 members voted.

00:03:16.880 The amazing riding of Foothills, Alberta.

00:03:18.800 2,079 voters last night.

00:03:22.360 So, Leslyn Lewis got 566 votes there. 0.99

00:03:28.280 But just 27 points in the first round.

00:03:30.240 So compare that to the 65 points

00:03:32.660 that Aaron O'Toole got for what?

00:03:34.440 Like eight votes in Bourassa?

00:03:35.800 I'm not sure if you're seeing my point, but it's this.

00:03:38.220 If you're a Conservative Party member,

00:03:41.060 your vote depends on where you live.

00:03:43.600 It could count for almost the equal

00:03:46.740 of 50 other Conservative Party members,

00:03:49.760 depending on where you live.

00:03:51.440 If you're a Conservative in Bourassa,

00:03:53.940 your vote counts 50 times more

00:03:56.940 than if you're in Foothills, Alberta.

00:04:00.280 That's a wrinkle.

00:04:02.340 You could call it a flaw or even a trick.

00:04:04.340 It's how Andrew Scheer won last time

00:04:06.340 because he focused his energy on wooing

00:04:08.720 those tiny membership Quebec ridings,

00:04:11.200 which he won by promising the Quebec Dairy Cartel

00:04:14.360 to do that he would do their bidding.

00:04:16.660 So instead of wasting time

00:04:17.620 trying to persuade 1,000 people in Foothills,

00:04:20.220 he spent his time, you know,

00:04:21.540 selling 10 memberships in Bourassa kind of thing.

00:04:24.720 So I thought Peter McKay was doing

00:04:26.520 with all his money, but he wasn't.

00:04:28.980 He was just busy counting his victory

00:04:30.660 before the battle was even fought.

00:04:32.760 Here's our own Kian Bexte 0.98

00:04:33.920 trying to ask him a basic question.

00:04:36.560 He kept running away,

00:04:37.940 and then he finally told Kian

00:04:39.180 that running away wasn't actually running away.

00:04:41.540 It was just what you do

00:04:43.180 when you're winning so much.

00:04:44.560 He can't even believe him was winning.

00:04:46.300 He was winning,

00:04:47.140 and that's what running away was.

00:04:48.980 It was winning.

00:04:50.020 You dismissed the anger in Alberta

00:04:52.920 by calling Jason Kenney an angry man.

00:04:55.520 Will you apologize for that?

00:04:56.780 Will you apologize for calling Jason Kenney an angry man?

00:05:05.240 How come you don't attend media by all the ladies? 0.99

00:05:07.300 I was on the phone, and they didn't select me.

00:05:08.900 Oh my God, you were so busy.

00:05:10.860 You couldn't get to the previously scheduled media.

00:05:13.940 Peter McKay, you sort of look like a coward right now.

00:05:16.580 Yeah, I don't think so.

00:05:18.940 It's called winning.

00:05:20.160 Excuse me.

00:05:20.580 Yeah, no, I think the big winner last night

00:05:22.580 was obviously Erin O'Toole. 0.92

00:05:24.520 Leslyn Lewis was a huge winner,

00:05:26.120 coming in a strong third.

00:05:27.920 In fact, there was a moment

00:05:29.020 where Leslyn Lewis had the most votes

00:05:31.800 of any of the candidates.

00:05:34.600 But alas, they were in the wrong part of the country,

00:05:37.440 so she was eliminated.

00:05:39.080 If I recall, she actually won

00:05:40.280 the province of Saskatchewan.

00:05:41.640 Isn't that funny?

00:05:42.620 A bit off narrative for the liberal media,

00:05:44.400 isn't it?

00:05:44.620 A black woman, Jamaican-Canadian,

00:05:47.040 lawyer, PhD from Toronto,

00:05:49.520 winning the hearts and minds

00:05:50.600 of the big farm province in the West.

00:05:52.720 Only a CBC liberal would find that surprising.

00:05:55.200 They project their own closed-mindedness

00:05:57.480 on other people.

00:05:58.440 If my research is right,

00:06:00.500 CBC's flagship political show

00:06:02.040 spent a grand total of one minute and 45 seconds

00:06:05.040 talking about Leslyn Lewis during the entire race.

00:06:07.960 They can't stop gushing about Kamala Harris,

00:06:10.360 the Democratic VP nominee in a foreign country.

00:06:13.140 Oh my God, they love her,

00:06:14.480 but they won't say a peep about Leslyn Lewis

00:06:16.200 because she's a conservative,

00:06:17.980 so they despise her.

00:06:20.380 Rosemary Barton, the disgraced CBC TV host,

00:06:22.780 actually filed a nuisance suit

00:06:24.300 against the Conservative Party

00:06:25.720 during the last election, you'll recall.

00:06:27.480 So in some bizarre practical joke,

00:06:30.060 she, of all the thousands of CBCers,

00:06:32.860 was assigned to be the host of their coverage

00:06:35.180 of the Conservative Party leadership last night.

00:06:37.280 Seriously, as a neutral interviewer,

00:06:39.840 not, okay, we're going to talk to Rosemary Barton,

00:06:42.200 the plaintiff who filed the lawsuit,

00:06:43.440 what do you think of this party you're suing?

00:06:45.080 No, no, no, she was the moderator.

00:06:48.080 Anyways, in a rare moment of honesty,

00:06:50.900 she confessed that she basically tried

00:06:52.580 to hide Leslyn Lewis from the public,

00:06:54.500 to pretend she didn't exist.

00:06:56.140 She was trying to interfere with the news,

00:06:58.420 not report the news.

00:06:59.860 To sort of establishment conservatives,

00:07:02.400 if there is such a thing,

00:07:04.260 who probably didn't get enough, you know,

00:07:06.740 media coverage as a candidate,

00:07:08.680 in spite of all those things,

00:07:10.060 and was not perceived as a proctor,

00:07:13.060 managed to raise that much money

00:07:15.300 and gain this much support in the first ballot.

00:07:17.880 Yeah, it's so funny over there at the woke network.

00:07:20.500 There was this moment last night

00:07:21.620 where this ultra-feminist, Rosemary Barton, 1.00

00:07:24.780 who got ahead in life through affirmative action,

00:07:27.060 she was so excited about having three other women 0.56

00:07:29.720 on her panel that she tweeted that.

00:07:32.000 And oh, oh, the entire politically correct brigade

00:07:35.340 just unloaded on her.

00:07:37.300 You'd think they would praise her.

00:07:38.440 No, no, no.

00:07:39.220 They were pointing out, obviously,

00:07:40.560 that, yeah, they were all women. 0.99

00:07:41.820 Okay, congratulations.

00:07:43.820 But they're all white women. 1.00

00:07:45.300 How racist of her. 1.00

00:07:47.340 See, that's the thing about the woke Olympics.

00:07:48.980 You think you're a gold medalist?

00:07:50.580 There's always someone woker.

00:07:53.140 If you had four black women on the panel, 1.00

00:07:55.620 well, okay, that's pretty woke.

00:07:57.840 Well, then a trans woman could come along 1.00

00:08:01.340 and outwoke them.

00:08:02.860 That's the thing with judging yourself

00:08:04.120 and others based on irrelevant criteria

00:08:06.140 like sex and race is,

00:08:08.340 it's never enough.

00:08:10.440 Last night, Sheila and I did our show

00:08:12.120 and Key and Bexley had some cameos in the show.

00:08:15.420 And we had about 100,000 people tune in,

00:08:19.040 according to YouTube.

00:08:21.060 100,000, can you believe it?

00:08:23.500 And like the CBC,

00:08:25.320 we didn't charge you $1.5 billion to do it.

00:08:27.620 And we didn't do a racial analysis

00:08:29.240 or a gender analysis of the people on our show.

00:08:31.660 It's just me and Sheila and Keya.

00:08:32.700 By comparison, look at the like-to-dislike ratio

00:08:36.580 on the CBC's broadcast.

00:08:40.300 It was hated, partly because the CBC hates conservatives,

00:08:43.500 so conservatives who would have been most of the viewers

00:08:45.560 and just hate them back.

00:08:46.700 But it's also because the CBC just refused

00:08:48.700 to allow any viewer comments all night.

00:08:51.800 They shut down the comment section.

00:08:53.300 Isn't that odd?

00:08:53.900 Same thing even weirder on the Conservative Party of Canada's

00:08:57.240 own live stream of their own event.

00:08:59.240 Why would you shut down comments?

00:09:00.680 I don't get it.

00:09:01.500 I don't get why conservatives wouldn't want to let conservatives

00:09:04.920 chat about the Conservative Party on a Conservative website.

00:09:07.620 Unless maybe they don't actually want to hear

00:09:09.180 from the grassroots either.

00:09:11.420 So I thought McCabe was going to win the thing.

00:09:12.880 I'm so glad he didn't.

00:09:14.400 It would have alienated entire wings of the party,

00:09:17.120 shrinking the party greatly,

00:09:18.700 reducing its energy and passion,

00:09:20.160 and all for the fool's errand of trying to win over Liberal voters

00:09:23.440 who are pretty much just fine with Trudeau.

00:09:25.940 Thank you very little.

00:09:27.420 I liked Eric Sloan.

00:09:28.480 I interviewed him three or four times in the campaign.

00:09:30.500 I thought he was a master of Conservative policy.

00:09:33.160 I hope he's given an important position

00:09:34.780 in O'Toole's shadow cabinet.

00:09:37.480 Andrew Scheer famously marginalized

00:09:40.120 and blackballed his former leadership rivals,

00:09:43.260 which is one of the reasons why the PPC party split off,

00:09:46.920 along with a lot of energy.

00:09:48.300 I hope O'Toole isn't bitter like Andrew Scheer was.

00:09:52.300 I hope he doesn't make the same mistake.

00:09:53.960 Lesley Lewis is not an MP yet.

00:09:57.180 And I'm not sure if getting her into Parliament right away

00:09:59.380 is the best use of her talents and energy and time, 0.88

00:10:02.280 especially when Parliament is so reduced in scope and function.

00:10:06.760 Maybe she can find another position with the Conservatives

00:10:08.960 to continue to expand the party, not shrink it.

00:10:12.460 And of course she should run in the next election,

00:10:15.040 but in a safe riding, I would think,

00:10:16.540 not a long shot riding.

00:10:18.440 She wouldn't want to run in Saskatchewan,

00:10:20.080 probably not.

00:10:20.580 Her life's in Toronto,

00:10:21.480 but I bet she could win any riding in Saskatchewan, 1.00

00:10:25.420 don't you think?

00:10:26.720 Maybe Andrew Scheer should retire and step aside for her.

00:10:30.280 He's already got a huge pension.

00:10:32.320 Why wouldn't he?

00:10:33.200 What's left for him to do?

00:10:34.520 And as to O'Toole himself,

00:10:37.220 well, we'll see quickly enough.

00:10:39.300 Remember, he was the thin-skinned complainer of the candidates

00:10:42.560 who claimed to the party's secret committee

00:10:44.940 to get his rival, Jim Carahalios, kicked out of the race.

00:10:48.260 That's not really a conservative move.

00:10:50.160 It's not really a free speech move.

00:10:51.580 It's more a cancel culture move.

00:10:53.820 O'Toole's campaign chairman,

00:10:55.080 Waleed Solomon, likes to sue people who criticize him.

00:10:57.420 I'm not sure how that squares with O'Toole's newfound belief in free speech.

00:11:01.400 O'Toole himself avoided speaking with Rebel News for the longest time

00:11:05.800 until he just sort of gave up running.

00:11:09.100 He was not willing to descend to Peter McKay's level of hiding

00:11:11.940 in the bathroom when Keehan walked by.

00:11:14.500 My point is, hopefully,

00:11:15.720 this new conservative version of Aaron O'Toole is here to stay.

00:11:19.880 And I say that because the aforementioned Waleed Solomon 0.99

00:11:22.120 was also the campaign chairman for Sneaky Patrick Brown

00:11:25.520 when he ran for the leadership of the provincial PCs out here.

00:11:28.940 Brown promised the right that he was really a conservative,

00:11:32.700 both fiscal and social.

00:11:34.220 But as soon as he won, he abandoned both of those points of view

00:11:36.880 and became a carbon tax-loving liberal libertine, as we all now know.

00:11:41.580 I hope that's not Waleed Solomon's plan for Aaron O'Toole

00:11:44.260 to take the votes of conservatives,

00:11:46.260 including the second choice votes of Leslie and Lewis,

00:11:49.140 just to win, but then tack back to the left after it's done.

00:11:53.600 We'll see.

00:11:54.360 I know what the CBC wants.

00:11:55.760 They want a lapdog like Andrew Scheer was.

00:11:57.680 They want someone who's afraid to buck the media party's narrative.

00:12:01.340 They'll want someone who's just a Me Too repeater 0.95

00:12:03.480 of the conventional wisdom on everything from immigration levels

00:12:06.140 to global warming to the pandemic.

00:12:08.760 Look, I'm going to be hopeful for now.

00:12:10.280 The party dodged a big bullet by not voting for Peter McKay,

00:12:14.100 and Aaron O'Toole is saying the right things.

00:12:16.380 Here's an excerpt from his speech last night.

00:12:18.180 The world still needs more Canada.

00:12:20.840 It just needs less Justin Trudeau.

00:12:22.940 Why should I be that leader?

00:12:26.600 Because I believe that whether you are black, white, brown,

00:12:29.740 or from any race or creed,

00:12:32.320 whether you are LGBT or straight,

00:12:34.820 whether you are an Indigenous Canadian,

00:12:37.060 or have joined the Canadian family three weeks ago,

00:12:40.240 or three generations ago,

00:12:41.880 whether you are doing well or barely getting by,

00:12:46.380 whether you worship on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays, or not at all,

00:12:51.240 you are an important part of Canada,

00:12:53.760 and you have a home in the Conservative Party of Canada.

00:12:57.980 Maybe you have voted for a different party your whole life

00:13:01.820 or have never voted at all.

00:13:04.760 Maybe you feel that as a union member,

00:13:07.140 you should not vote for our party.

00:13:09.160 Maybe you feel let down repeatedly by politicians.

00:13:13.220 Maybe your family came to Canada for better,

00:13:16.020 but you are still waiting for fair treatment.

00:13:19.260 Maybe you run a small business and work all day

00:13:22.180 only to be called a tax cheat by your own government.

00:13:26.580 It is time for many Liberal and NDP voters

00:13:29.760 to socially distance themselves from those out-of-touch parties.

00:13:35.220 It is time for more Canadians 0.79

00:13:37.360 to look at the Conservative Party again.

00:13:40.640 If you want the opportunity to work hard

00:13:43.220 to provide for your family,

00:13:45.060 you should be voting Conservative.

00:13:46.680 If you want to stop insiders from getting ahead

00:13:50.800 while you are falling back,

00:13:53.020 you should be voting Conservative.

00:13:55.960 If you are proud of what we produce in this country,

00:13:59.500 whether it's the resources in the ground

00:14:01.320 or the ideas in our heads,

00:14:04.080 you should be voting Conservative.

00:14:06.200 And if you believe deeply, like I do,

00:14:09.880 that you need an ethical government

00:14:11.940 and that we need to give the ethics commissioner a break,

00:14:15.460 you should be voting Conservative.

00:14:19.360 That's not bad.

00:14:20.540 Good place to start.

00:14:21.580 Look, he's not a rock star, okay?

00:14:23.420 He was a Harper cabinet minister

00:14:25.720 whose name you probably forgot.

00:14:28.500 He came in third in the race

00:14:32.860 to replace Stephen Harper last time.

00:14:34.720 He lost to Scheer and Maxime Bernier.

00:14:37.660 So he's the party's second, third, fourth, or fifth choice.

00:14:42.540 All right, fine.

00:14:43.900 Fine.

00:14:44.280 It's not your first-round draft pick.

00:14:47.220 But he's better than Trudeau.

00:14:48.740 I would take the 10th-round draft pick

00:14:50.640 if he's a Conservative instead of Trudeau.

00:14:53.240 Our job here at Rebel News remains the same.

00:14:55.620 Tell the other side of the story.

00:14:56.980 Tell the Conservative side of the story.

00:14:58.580 We'll call it like we see it.

00:14:59.960 We'll be fair and we'll be hopeful

00:15:01.020 if O'Toole backslides,

00:15:02.620 if he pulls a Patrick Brown,

00:15:04.340 we'll be here to let you know.

00:15:06.340 But for now, as flawed as he is,

00:15:08.540 Aaron O'Toole is the best chance

00:15:10.720 of beating Justin Trudeau in the next election.

00:15:12.620 It is our job to make sure

00:15:14.600 that if he gets there,

00:15:16.780 he gets there as a Conservative.

00:15:20.240 Stay with us for more.

00:15:21.340 So it doesn't matter what kind of Conservative you are.

00:15:36.380 Our party needs all of you.

00:15:37.960 And we need you to go out

00:15:39.400 and find more people who share our beliefs.

00:15:42.080 Please, stay involved.

00:15:44.240 Be bold.

00:15:45.040 Think.

00:15:45.860 Challenge the mainstream media.

00:15:47.460 Don't take their narrative as fact.

00:15:49.620 Check out smart, independent, objective organizations

00:15:53.100 that are growing all the time,

00:15:54.920 like the Postmillennial or True North.

00:15:57.460 There are other places to get information.

00:16:00.040 Let's stop being the silent majority.

00:16:01.980 Well, there's a clip of Andrew Scheer,

00:16:04.260 the outgoing party leader,

00:16:05.880 giving a shout out to independent media,

00:16:08.060 in particular our friends at Postmillennial and True North.

00:16:11.380 I see a tiny bit of an omission there for Rebel News,

00:16:14.260 but I can't blame the lad.

00:16:15.800 We've certainly had our share of criticism of him over the years.

00:16:19.220 I just wish that he himself would have lived

00:16:21.800 a little bit more by that creed.

00:16:23.900 I found that he was far too deferential to the media party

00:16:27.720 and to the CBC in particular,

00:16:29.420 even after, shockingly, in the last election,

00:16:33.080 the CBC literally sued the Conservative Party,

00:16:37.060 and no one less than Rosemary Barton, 0.79

00:16:38.960 their chief political reporter,

00:16:41.260 was a named plaintiff.

00:16:42.640 How do you even talk to that reporter again

00:16:46.040 after she sued you?

00:16:48.220 Are you not worried it'll be used in evidence?

00:16:50.200 I wish that Andrew Scheer's sudden love for independent media

00:16:54.960 had been a staple of his strategy the whole time.

00:16:59.040 Maybe he would be the prime minister now

00:17:01.440 instead of just another backbencher.

00:17:03.100 Well, one guy who caught the move and the mood squarely

00:17:07.860 and who, in fact, gives credit to independent media

00:17:12.420 for Aaron O'Toole's success last night

00:17:14.760 is our friend Spencer Fernando,

00:17:17.240 an independent columnist and commentator

00:17:19.140 from Winnipeg, Manitoba.

00:17:21.400 You can see all his stuff at spencerfernando.com.

00:17:24.500 He joins us now by Skype.

00:17:25.660 Great to see you again.

00:17:27.340 Did you stay up last night as late as I did

00:17:29.980 to get their last results,

00:17:31.580 or did you just call it quits at around midnight?

00:17:34.920 No, no, I stayed up.

00:17:36.240 I wrote about it when the final results came in.

00:17:39.300 So, yeah, a little bit of a delay.

00:17:41.240 It was kind of funny to see constantly,

00:17:43.300 oh, 15 minutes away, 15 minutes away.

00:17:45.260 Oh, just wait another 15.

00:17:46.720 Oh, just another 15 minutes.

00:17:48.040 But then the results finally did come in.

00:17:50.820 That's right.

00:17:51.240 We were, I think, on the air for almost eight hours straight.

00:17:55.420 We were doing our share of tap dancing to fill the time.

00:17:57.860 Can I read the title of your essay on it?

00:18:00.620 Because I think you nailed it.

00:18:02.560 You can see this at spencerfernando.com.

00:18:05.120 And by the way, if you're not a supporter of Spencer,

00:18:06.960 may I encourage you to sign up?

00:18:08.900 You'll get his stuff emailed to you directly,

00:18:10.780 so you don't even have to remember to surf on over there.

00:18:12.720 Here's what Spencer wrote.

00:18:14.060 He said, Aaron O'Toole's big win and strong showing by Lewis and Sloan

00:18:19.980 shows conservatives decisively rejected the media elites

00:18:23.700 and embraced independent media.

00:18:26.780 I think you're right on that.

00:18:28.320 You put some evidence in your essay.

00:18:30.640 What are some examples of how O'Toole and Lewis and Sloan

00:18:34.700 used independent media,

00:18:36.300 whereas McKay really relied on the mainstream media?

00:18:38.960 Yeah, well, it's interesting.

00:18:41.660 I think you could kind of see the trend beginning

00:18:43.780 even before the race really got going

00:18:45.880 when the media really tried to push Jean Charest.

00:18:49.300 You saw some articles in the establishment press.

00:18:51.420 Oh, Jean Charest really understands conservatives.

00:18:53.820 And the response on social media was people were saying,

00:18:56.840 like, what are you talking about?

00:18:57.940 Jean Charest is not really a conservative anymore

00:19:00.320 in the way that most people in the party would see it.

00:19:02.940 And so he dropped out.

00:19:04.140 So that showed that the media already had a pretty bad grasp

00:19:06.780 of what was going on.

00:19:07.700 And then they started pushing Peter McKay.

00:19:09.880 Oh, he was inevitable.

00:19:11.000 He was the frontrunner the entire time.

00:19:12.880 No one could beat him.

00:19:14.060 He got endorsed by the Toronto Star.

00:19:16.160 But if you look during the campaign,

00:19:17.440 I mean, you saw Aaron O'Toole.

00:19:19.260 He reached out to independent media quite a lot.

00:19:21.800 He would speak to True North.

00:19:24.000 I know Leslie Lewis and Derek Sloan

00:19:25.700 did interviews with you and with the Rebel.

00:19:28.960 And Peter McKay, I mean,

00:19:30.140 he literally ran away from the Rebel, right?

00:19:32.060 I mean, he ran away from, you know,

00:19:34.060 people trying to talk to him.

00:19:35.540 And then it was really interesting at the end.

00:19:38.320 He tried to cast it as kind of a move that was,

00:19:40.980 I guess, out of respect to his opponent.

00:19:43.800 But when you had all four candidates

00:19:45.860 who were going to do the independent press gallery debate,

00:19:50.300 and then Leslie Lewis had to drop out

00:19:51.760 at the last minute because of illness.

00:19:53.680 And then McKay dropped out.

00:19:54.720 And he kind of said like,

00:19:55.680 oh, it's just out of respect to Leslie Lewis.

00:19:57.700 But I think a lot of people saw that

00:19:59.280 as him kind of trying to torpedo the event.

00:20:02.080 You know, whether that's fair or not,

00:20:03.320 that's the perception a lot of people had.

00:20:05.280 So he seemed like he really,

00:20:07.300 he and his campaign really kind of bet on the idea

00:20:11.120 that independent media didn't mean anything.

00:20:14.000 It didn't really have any influence.

00:20:15.800 And the traditional media was still

00:20:17.380 where all the power was.

00:20:18.560 And as we saw last night,

00:20:20.340 that bet did not work out too well for him.

00:20:22.400 Yeah.

00:20:22.660 I remember that night

00:20:23.920 when the independent press gallery,

00:20:25.880 that's Candace Malcolm's alternative press gallery. 0.98

00:20:28.080 I think you're a member of it, Spencer,

00:20:29.760 if I'm not mistaken.

00:20:30.440 We are here too.

00:20:32.380 It was sort of their coming out party.

00:20:34.120 They really put a lot of effort

00:20:35.500 and expense in this thing.

00:20:36.760 And they were very proud

00:20:37.580 that all four candidates were there.

00:20:40.360 And Leslie Lewis, let's take her at a word. 0.99

00:20:41.880 She said she had an earache or something.

00:20:44.200 I'm not going to dispute it.

00:20:45.740 But for Peter McKay to,

00:20:47.640 you know, opportunistically say,

00:20:49.660 oh, out of solidarity with her earache,

00:20:52.080 we're not coming.

00:20:52.960 And by the way,

00:20:53.480 Leslie Lewis's campaign manager

00:20:55.000 came down to the event

00:20:56.300 to say, look,

00:20:57.220 I wish we were here.

00:20:58.960 I'm here.

00:21:00.100 We don't want this fake solidarity

00:21:01.800 from Peter McKay.

00:21:02.760 I think it stunned a lot of people

00:21:05.080 at how high handed Peter McKay was.

00:21:08.100 I think it hurt Candace Malcolm's feelings a little bit.

00:21:10.680 I can't speak for her.

00:21:11.960 And she would probably never admit it.

00:21:13.680 But this was the great one.

00:21:15.840 I shouldn't say that.

00:21:17.000 She's strong.

00:21:17.660 She doesn't care what Peter McKay says.

00:21:19.300 But this was going to be the flagship

00:21:20.640 of the independent press gallery.

00:21:22.880 And it was Peter McKay

00:21:23.820 who tried to wreck it.

00:21:25.500 Now, it went on to be a great success.

00:21:27.860 Andrew Lawton did a great job

00:21:29.260 interviewing Aaron O'Toole

00:21:31.280 and Derek Sloan.

00:21:33.120 But what I think a lot of conservative

00:21:34.880 grassroots took away from that is

00:21:36.520 Peter McKay looks down on

00:21:39.000 unofficial things,

00:21:40.760 grassroots things,

00:21:42.280 populist things.

00:21:43.240 He would never bail

00:21:44.740 at the last minute on the CBC.

00:21:46.840 He would never come up

00:21:47.860 with such a cockamamie excuse 0.99

00:21:49.240 for the Globe and Mail.

00:21:50.560 But for merely the 50 journalists

00:21:53.300 in the independent press gallery,

00:21:54.620 including you and me, Spencer,

00:21:56.240 oh, fine, he'll come up

00:21:57.140 with some excuse you don't like it.

00:21:58.660 Tough luck.

00:21:59.060 I don't like you.

00:21:59.720 And here's why that's important, Spencer,

00:22:03.800 because no one won this thing

00:22:05.400 on the first ballot.

00:22:06.200 So you've got to be friendly enough

00:22:08.500 to the grassroots

00:22:09.580 that they'll make you

00:22:11.180 your number two or three choice.

00:22:12.540 And I think it was high-handed moves

00:22:14.520 like that that did him in

00:22:16.680 when it came to that transferable vote.

00:22:20.920 Yeah, I agree.

00:22:21.760 And what's interesting is,

00:22:22.820 you know, Aaron O'Toole

00:22:23.480 is not really a super right-wing person.

00:22:26.380 But what he did was very smart.

00:22:27.600 I think he realized

00:22:28.280 that the Conservative Party,

00:22:29.520 just like any large political party,

00:22:31.580 is a coalition of different interests.

00:22:33.440 And so, you know,

00:22:34.520 there was the time

00:22:35.100 when Derek Sloan

00:22:36.160 talked about Theresa Tam

00:22:37.340 and he saw some of the

00:22:38.220 Conservative Ontario caucus

00:22:39.420 wanted to kick him out.

00:22:41.600 And according to reports

00:22:42.860 at the time,

00:22:43.940 one of the only people

00:22:45.120 in the Ontario Conservative caucus

00:22:46.560 actually advocating

00:22:47.780 to keep Sloan in

00:22:49.320 was Aaron O'Toole.

00:22:51.100 So whether that was principle

00:22:52.540 or strategy,

00:22:53.320 I mean,

00:22:53.520 it was a smart move by him.

00:22:55.240 He also,

00:22:55.980 and by reaching out

00:22:56.700 to independent media,

00:22:58.020 I think he reached out

00:22:58.820 to the Conservative base

00:22:59.840 in a way that,

00:23:01.160 you know,

00:23:01.460 centrist candidates

00:23:02.240 often don't.

00:23:03.040 So,

00:23:03.540 and it worked out well for him.

00:23:04.880 I mean,

00:23:05.080 if you look on the final ballot,

00:23:07.100 he got,

00:23:08.600 I think,

00:23:08.940 what was it,

00:23:09.340 60,

00:23:09.940 something,

00:23:10.260 around 60,

00:23:10.940 70%

00:23:11.540 of Les and Lewis'

00:23:12.900 votes.

00:23:14.260 I mean,

00:23:14.460 McKay got almost nothing

00:23:15.780 from Les Lewis' support

00:23:18.240 and much of her support

00:23:19.140 was,

00:23:19.480 of course,

00:23:20.280 hers and Sloan

00:23:21.320 from the first ballot.

00:23:22.420 So,

00:23:23.400 I mean,

00:23:23.780 McKay,

00:23:24.240 he needed to get

00:23:25.320 at least 40%

00:23:26.620 on the first ballot,

00:23:27.400 didn't even get close.

00:23:28.560 And he was just never,

00:23:29.840 never as strong

00:23:30.680 as much of the media

00:23:31.520 portrayed him.

00:23:32.500 Yeah.

00:23:32.740 I was worried

00:23:33.760 because,

00:23:34.360 of course,

00:23:34.600 he came across

00:23:35.440 as so overconfident

00:23:36.600 and either a guy

00:23:37.780 is totally bluffing,

00:23:39.240 which is possible,

00:23:40.020 or he knows something

00:23:41.220 we don't know.

00:23:42.160 I assumed

00:23:42.860 it was the latter.

00:23:44.420 I assumed

00:23:45.160 that he had

00:23:46.260 so many organizers

00:23:48.280 in small population ridings.

00:23:50.540 As you know,

00:23:50.880 that point system

00:23:51.700 favors,

00:23:52.980 like,

00:23:53.160 say,

00:23:53.300 the riding of Bourassa,

00:23:54.760 which has less than 50 voters,

00:23:57.880 compared to the riding

00:23:58.780 of Foothills,

00:23:59.740 Alberta,

00:24:00.220 2,000 voters.

00:24:01.200 So I thought,

00:24:01.720 okay,

00:24:01.980 Peter McKay

00:24:02.600 is strong in places

00:24:04.060 where we don't even know about,

00:24:05.880 and that's why

00:24:06.640 he's acting so cocky.

00:24:08.120 No,

00:24:08.640 I think he was just

00:24:09.560 believing his own spin

00:24:10.520 that he was,

00:24:11.720 that this was his destiny.

00:24:12.880 I noticed that

00:24:14.800 Derek Sloan,

00:24:16.420 who did well,

00:24:17.200 but I mean,

00:24:17.680 he clearly was in fourth,

00:24:19.500 and Lesley Lewis

00:24:20.140 was clearly in third,

00:24:21.680 he gave a big shout out

00:24:23.320 before last night,

00:24:24.380 thanking almost name by name

00:24:26.420 every independent journalist

00:24:27.660 he spoke with.

00:24:29.260 I thought that was

00:24:30.140 pretty classy.

00:24:31.620 And Lesley Lewis

00:24:32.580 made a point of saying,

00:24:33.700 I'll talk to anyone

00:24:34.760 in this coalition.

00:24:35.880 I think you're right.

00:24:37.160 And even,

00:24:38.160 like,

00:24:38.280 what's the harm

00:24:39.080 in talking to

00:24:40.100 different media?

00:24:41.120 If you're scared

00:24:42.420 of a question,

00:24:43.880 that's probably a problem

00:24:44.940 you need to fix anyway,

00:24:46.280 so it's unrelated

00:24:46.840 to the particular journalist.

00:24:48.600 If you think Rebel News

00:24:49.640 or Spencer Fernando

00:24:50.620 are too tough,

00:24:52.100 well,

00:24:52.260 wait till you get a load

00:24:53.240 of Vladimir Putin

00:24:54.160 or Donald Trump.

00:24:55.160 Like,

00:24:55.280 if you want to be

00:24:55.780 prime minister,

00:24:56.840 dealing with independent

00:24:57.840 conservative journalists

00:24:58.720 is not your toughest

00:24:59.520 problem in the world.

00:25:00.600 I think it looked good

00:25:01.720 on Derek Sloan,

00:25:03.140 Lesley Lewis,

00:25:03.820 and eventually Aaron O'Toole

00:25:05.180 when he warmed up

00:25:05.900 to us too,

00:25:06.920 to talk to us.

00:25:07.700 I mean,

00:25:07.960 where's the harm?

00:25:08.940 It shows that he means it

00:25:10.140 when he's for free speech.

00:25:12.620 Yeah,

00:25:13.080 and I think your point

00:25:13.680 about McKay being overconfident,

00:25:15.200 I think that's a good point

00:25:16.140 because I think

00:25:17.280 if you look at,

00:25:18.080 let's imagine a world

00:25:19.080 without independent media.

00:25:20.480 So McKay would have

00:25:21.120 seemed very confident.

00:25:23.240 The media would have

00:25:24.040 said nice things about him,

00:25:25.020 would have portrayed him

00:25:25.640 as the frontrunner,

00:25:26.620 and that would have

00:25:27.480 demoralized everybody else.

00:25:29.020 So that's,

00:25:29.500 I think that's often

00:25:30.140 how candidates,

00:25:31.260 establishment candidates win

00:25:32.560 is first the illusion

00:25:34.420 is created

00:25:35.000 that they're unbeatable,

00:25:36.180 and then the illusion

00:25:36.900 becomes reality,

00:25:37.820 right?

00:25:38.120 People just kind of

00:25:38.780 give up and say,

00:25:39.500 oh, well,

00:25:40.120 they're getting all

00:25:40.680 the endorsements,

00:25:41.620 the media's really

00:25:42.720 in the tank for them,

00:25:44.260 there's no way to beat them.

00:25:46.040 But with independent media,

00:25:47.180 I think it becomes

00:25:47.880 very different.

00:25:49.060 People realize,

00:25:50.200 okay, well,

00:25:50.660 that narrative is one

00:25:51.920 that exists,

00:25:52.400 but it's not the only one.

00:25:53.880 There's clearly a lot

00:25:54.680 of people who disagree with it.

00:25:56.160 There is an actual fight

00:25:57.260 and a contest.

00:25:58.620 So I think McKay

00:25:59.220 was operating in a way

00:26:00.940 that probably would have won

00:26:02.580 even four or five years ago,

00:26:04.740 but it's a very

00:26:05.420 different world now.

00:26:06.220 He has to actually,

00:26:07.400 he had to,

00:26:08.060 you know,

00:26:08.680 explain his positions.

00:26:09.820 He had to reach out

00:26:10.520 to more people.

00:26:11.680 He had to prove

00:26:12.400 that he was the frontrunner,

00:26:13.360 not just act like it.

00:26:14.420 And the whole house of cards

00:26:15.940 really came falling down for him.

00:26:17.580 Yeah.

00:26:18.100 You know,

00:26:18.460 I was thinking about

00:26:19.400 when you mentioned

00:26:20.060 that there's a media narrative

00:26:21.580 and it becomes

00:26:22.220 a self-fulfilling prophecy.

00:26:25.060 I want to do

00:26:25.800 some more poking around,

00:26:26.700 but I think that

00:26:27.380 the CBC political channel,

00:26:29.540 CBC Power and Politics

00:26:30.620 or whatever,

00:26:31.000 I think they spent

00:26:32.680 a grand total

00:26:33.500 of a minute

00:26:34.000 and 45 seconds

00:26:35.080 on Lesley Lewis

00:26:36.060 the whole campaign.

00:26:37.120 I could be wrong.

00:26:37.780 Maybe I've missed something.

00:26:38.660 I'm still poking around.

00:26:41.900 Compared to their obsession

00:26:43.280 with Kamala Harris,

00:26:45.220 the vice presidential pick

00:26:46.700 in a foreign country.

00:26:47.980 So the CDC can't wait

00:26:49.780 to give you an hour

00:26:51.140 long backgrounder

00:26:52.320 on Kamala Harris,

00:26:53.260 but a minute

00:26:53.880 and 45 seconds

00:26:54.820 for Lesley Lewis.

00:26:55.860 And I can't help

00:26:56.760 but think

00:26:57.280 if they were

00:26:58.180 at least neutral

00:26:58.980 and treated her properly

00:27:00.820 instead of trying

00:27:01.440 to dismiss her

00:27:02.200 as an anomaly,

00:27:05.740 she might have 0.95

00:27:06.380 even done better.

00:27:07.420 I mean,

00:27:07.700 I don't think

00:27:08.940 conservative voters

00:27:09.620 look to the CBC

00:27:10.500 on how to cast a ballot.

00:27:13.300 But I think that

00:27:14.380 the media

00:27:15.600 doesn't just measure reality.

00:27:17.400 It tries to shape reality

00:27:19.420 and that's why

00:27:20.000 they hate independents

00:27:21.020 correcting them.

00:27:21.620 Last word to you, Spencer.

00:27:23.800 Yeah, I think

00:27:24.520 that's very true

00:27:25.180 and I think

00:27:25.860 if you look at

00:27:26.520 what's happening,

00:27:27.240 it's the establishment media.

00:27:28.460 They're getting angrier

00:27:29.440 and angrier

00:27:30.180 because they're losing

00:27:31.380 control of the narrative.

00:27:32.720 I mean,

00:27:32.900 they've got the narrative,

00:27:33.700 oh, the conservatives

00:27:34.260 are an exclusionary party.

00:27:37.200 They always call

00:27:38.280 conservatives racist.

00:27:39.880 Well, some of the most

00:27:40.680 right-wing areas

00:27:41.820 of the country

00:27:42.820 in the most right-wing provinces

00:27:44.180 voted for Lesley Lewis

00:27:45.800 by the biggest numbers, right?

00:27:47.640 So that doesn't at all

00:27:48.660 fit the media narrative.

00:27:49.740 So often they just

00:27:50.500 choose to ignore it.

00:27:51.380 Oh, you know,

00:27:51.760 that just didn't happen.

00:27:52.700 We're just not really

00:27:53.240 going to cover that.

00:27:53.900 That wasn't really a thing.

00:27:55.260 And then in the next election,

00:27:56.200 they'll go back

00:27:56.660 to the same lies

00:27:57.460 that they always spread.

00:27:58.260 And so I think

00:27:59.340 this is, you know,

00:27:59.940 for people who are

00:28:00.580 watching this and saying,

00:28:01.580 you know,

00:28:02.060 I'm tired of what

00:28:02.700 the media is doing.

00:28:03.780 Well, there is an

00:28:04.420 alternative growing.

00:28:05.560 It's you guys, myself,

00:28:07.200 you know,

00:28:07.380 all the other folks

00:28:08.020 we've been talking about.

00:28:09.240 And our power is growing.

00:28:10.780 It is increasing

00:28:11.420 and our influence is increasing.

00:28:12.820 So I think people

00:28:13.820 should keep supporting us.

00:28:15.160 Yeah, well, right on.

00:28:15.980 Well, we're so thrilled

00:28:17.000 with what you're doing

00:28:17.780 in Winnipeg.

00:28:18.980 I follow you.

00:28:19.580 I know my father

00:28:20.220 is a fan of yours.

00:28:21.300 He forwards me your stuff.

00:28:22.600 Appreciate it.

00:28:22.800 I get them.

00:28:23.480 I get your stuff already,

00:28:24.440 but my dad sends it to me

00:28:25.540 to make sure.

00:28:26.920 And Spencer,

00:28:27.800 you keep up the great work

00:28:28.740 out west

00:28:29.200 and we'll hold the fort out here.

00:28:31.660 All right.

00:28:31.980 Take care.

00:28:32.320 All right.

00:28:32.520 There you have it.

00:28:33.200 Spencer Fernando.

00:28:34.820 And you should check out

00:28:35.660 SpencerFernando.com.

00:28:37.880 Stay with us.

00:28:38.360 Hey, welcome back

00:28:51.180 on my monologue Friday.

00:28:52.200 Paul writes,

00:28:53.120 the numbers don't add up.

00:28:54.280 Why vaccinate everyone

00:28:55.260 when 99.74% survive

00:28:57.400 or never have symptoms?

00:28:58.800 That's like evacuating Canada 0.87

00:29:00.260 because of a house fire

00:29:01.220 in Winnipeg.

00:29:02.320 You know,

00:29:02.960 I look at the stats every day

00:29:04.280 because they're endlessly interesting.

00:29:05.960 And it's not just here in Canada.

00:29:07.900 I was looking at the stats

00:29:08.680 in the UK.

00:29:09.320 There were no deaths

00:29:10.060 in the entire United Kingdom

00:29:11.860 last year.

00:29:12.880 That's incredible.

00:29:13.840 Sorry,

00:29:14.460 last year,

00:29:15.200 yesterday.

00:29:16.140 That is a huge country,

00:29:17.440 over 60 million people.

00:29:18.920 No deaths.

00:29:19.760 And they're in such a lockdown.

00:29:21.200 And I'm looking at the stats

00:29:22.240 in Victoria, Australia.

00:29:23.700 You can find them very easily.

00:29:25.580 A lot of jurisdictions

00:29:26.940 are very easy to find stats.

00:29:29.500 And it's just,

00:29:31.260 I mean,

00:29:31.640 I was in Vancouver Island

00:29:32.600 a couple of weeks ago.

00:29:34.200 There's no one in the hospital

00:29:35.580 for the virus

00:29:36.320 in the entire island.

00:29:37.520 I think I told you

00:29:38.120 that stat yesterday

00:29:38.980 when I was on the live stream

00:29:41.600 at night.

00:29:44.580 The stats are out there.

00:29:46.980 You can obfuscate.

00:29:48.500 You can try and keep people

00:29:49.620 afraid by wearing masks.

00:29:51.440 But thank God

00:29:52.480 the pandemic's

00:29:53.740 over.

00:29:57.260 Valerie writes,

00:29:57.880 isn't the Amazon Journal

00:29:58.600 part of Post Media?

00:30:00.860 Yes,

00:30:01.260 absolutely they are.

00:30:02.220 And I don't know

00:30:02.780 what's going on

00:30:03.240 at Post Media.

00:30:03.780 I mean,

00:30:04.740 it's a large company

00:30:05.860 and so they have

00:30:06.380 a lot of different

00:30:06.900 decision makers

00:30:07.580 and editors and reporters.

00:30:09.040 But it can't help

00:30:09.940 but be on the mind

00:30:10.620 of everyone who works

00:30:11.420 here that they get

00:30:11.900 $140,000

00:30:13.020 each week

00:30:14.920 from Justin Trudeau.

00:30:16.620 So maybe

00:30:17.040 don't really take

00:30:18.140 a conservative point of view.

00:30:19.120 Don't poke too hard

00:30:20.040 at Trudeau.

00:30:21.300 And

00:30:21.660 I don't think

00:30:22.980 they're even directed

00:30:23.680 to be that way.

00:30:24.340 I think that's just

00:30:24.880 the narrative.

00:30:26.280 So the narrative is,

00:30:27.560 oh, masks,

00:30:28.180 good.

00:30:28.820 Edmonton,

00:30:29.320 crisis.

00:30:29.860 No,

00:30:30.580 there's only,

00:30:31.940 I think it was

00:30:32.940 five and then

00:30:33.800 six of them,

00:30:34.700 five of them,

00:30:35.180 four people in the ICU

00:30:36.260 in all of Edmonton.

00:30:38.340 It's just over, folks.

00:30:40.360 It's over.

00:30:42.520 Marilyn writes,

00:30:43.200 thank you for the truth.

00:30:43.940 I have suspected

00:30:44.440 media have falsely

00:30:45.220 reported for three months now.

00:30:46.680 I quit watching news

00:30:47.640 and reading the newspapers.

00:30:48.800 Time to open up

00:30:49.380 the country without masks.

00:30:51.880 You know,

00:30:52.460 I was talking to the missus

00:30:54.280 about a sports

00:30:55.380 camp.

00:30:57.180 And

00:30:57.440 the first day

00:30:58.800 of the sports camp,

00:30:59.500 the coaches

00:31:00.540 were very strict

00:31:01.580 on their face masks

00:31:03.120 and the kids

00:31:03.780 were strict.

00:31:04.380 But of course,

00:31:04.740 you don't really wear

00:31:05.280 face masks

00:31:06.080 when you're doing sports.

00:31:06.860 So the kids

00:31:07.320 had them off.

00:31:08.280 And then by the end

00:31:09.280 of the first day,

00:31:10.400 the coaches had them off

00:31:11.360 and by the second day,

00:31:12.400 they weren't really wearing them.

00:31:13.580 And you know why?

00:31:15.140 Because it's so ridiculous

00:31:16.300 to wear masks

00:31:17.320 when you're doing

00:31:17.900 soccer camp or whatever.

00:31:19.320 But second of all,

00:31:21.400 the moms and dads

00:31:22.480 who are really,

00:31:23.300 really,

00:31:23.640 really nervous

00:31:24.640 and afraid,

00:31:26.960 they're not sending

00:31:28.040 their kids out.

00:31:29.500 So why would you

00:31:30.840 wear a mask,

00:31:31.600 which is sort of

00:31:32.140 ridiculous when you're

00:31:32.880 playing soccer,

00:31:34.880 when the paranoid

00:31:36.280 kid's parents,

00:31:38.180 or the kid's

00:31:39.020 paranoid parents 0.67

00:31:39.740 is a better way

00:31:40.320 to say it,

00:31:41.620 they're not letting

00:31:42.580 their kid out

00:31:43.040 of the house anyways.

00:31:44.420 So how about

00:31:44.860 everyone just does

00:31:45.680 what they're comfy with?

00:31:46.880 If you're really scared,

00:31:47.880 stay at your home.

00:31:49.040 If you're not scared,

00:31:50.820 go out.

00:31:51.500 If you're sort of scared,

00:31:52.660 wear a mask.

00:31:53.620 Fill your boots.

00:31:54.180 I don't give you

00:31:54.620 to wear a mask.

00:31:56.160 Just don't force

00:31:57.300 everybody to share

00:31:58.620 your paranoia.

00:32:00.200 Oh, boy.

00:32:01.560 Well, anyhow,

00:32:02.600 how do you feel

00:32:03.240 about Aaron O'Toole?

00:32:04.120 Are you hopeful?

00:32:06.380 Do you think he's

00:32:07.280 going to pull

00:32:07.600 Patrick Brown?

00:32:08.900 Do you think he's

00:32:09.400 just going to muddle

00:32:10.200 along?

00:32:11.580 I want to be hopeful.

00:32:12.740 I want to be optimistic.

00:32:14.740 I'm sick of losing.

00:32:15.860 Andrew Scheer

00:32:17.860 snatched defeat

00:32:19.720 from the jaws of victory.

00:32:20.720 I hope Aaron O'Toole

00:32:21.320 won't also.

00:32:22.920 We'll find out

00:32:23.500 in the weeks

00:32:24.140 and months ahead,

00:32:24.780 won't we?

00:32:25.920 Until tomorrow,

00:32:26.720 on behalf of all of us

00:32:27.560 here at Rebel World

00:32:28.260 Hank Wars,

00:32:28.780 to you at home,

00:32:29.360 good night.

00:32:30.420 Keep fighting for freedom.

00:32:45.860 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - August 25, 2020

Erin O’Toole beats Peter MacKay for the Tory leadership — and Leslyn Lewis has a strikingly strong finish

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