Rebel News Podcast - March 25, 2021


Erin O’Toole says he’s going to campaign on climate change. Is that really what Canadians are talking about？


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Aaron O'Toole says he's going to campaign on climate change, and it's a big win for him. But what gets me about it is that he just won't shut up about it, and won't stop.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, I take you through a poll that was commissioned for Justin Trudeau.
00:00:03.900 This is not some public survey. This was done for the Privy Council office.
00:00:07.940 And I want to show it to you because I want to show you what it says about climate change.
00:00:14.240 And that's relevant because Aaron O'Toole thinks it's a big winner for him.
00:00:18.480 I'll show you the intel that Trudeau himself receives from his Privy Council.
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00:01:17.580 All right, here's today's podcast.
00:01:18.800 Tonight, Aaron O'Toole says he's going to campaign on climate change.
00:01:38.860 Is that really what Canadians are talking about?
00:01:41.440 It's March 24th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:44.180 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:49.980 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:54.040 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it
00:01:57.680 is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:02:04.640 For almost a week, I've been wondering why Aaron O'Toole chose to make
00:02:08.460 the center of his pre-election speech at his party's convention
00:02:12.300 the subject of global warming.
00:02:15.080 Of all the things, he chooses a favorite liberal issue,
00:02:19.560 a favorite media party issue, a left-wing issue, a globalist issue,
00:02:24.020 and he's just going to keep talking about it all week long.
00:02:29.420 As we all know, the COVID-19 pandemic has changed the world.
00:02:35.560 Canada has changed.
00:02:39.680 Our party has to change too.
00:02:43.580 There's been a lot of speculation about what I'm going to say
00:02:46.140 about climate change in this speech.
00:02:48.520 We cannot ignore the reality of climate change.
00:02:51.900 The debate is over.
00:02:53.620 Of course, party members disagree.
00:02:55.760 I don't think it's in the nature of a conservative
00:02:58.340 to agree when a politician tells him he can no longer
00:03:01.580 question or criticize a public policy.
00:03:04.240 That's more for other obedient parties
00:03:08.060 where individuals passively submit to authority.
00:03:11.520 It doesn't sound very conservative to me.
00:03:13.480 But what gets me is that Aaron O'Toole
00:03:16.600 just won't stop talking about it.
00:03:18.540 He just won't shut up about it.
00:03:21.620 I really think he believes it's a winner for him.
00:03:24.880 Look at this story just in the Globe and Mail.
00:03:26.800 Aaron O'Toole to campaign on climate change plan
00:03:32.620 despite party skepticism on issue.
00:03:36.120 Let me just read a little bit from this Globe and Mail story.
00:03:38.620 Aaron O'Toole says he will disregard the party's skepticism
00:03:41.720 about climate change and fight the election expected this year
00:03:44.860 with a new policy to help the conservative party compete for votes.
00:03:48.740 I am the leader, and this is an important issue for me,
00:03:53.160 he told a Tuesday news conference in Ottawa.
00:03:55.980 The debate is closed.
00:03:59.540 The conservative leader said his caucus backs the development
00:04:02.780 of a serious and comprehensive plan on climate change
00:04:05.860 and the environment that will be released before the election.
00:04:08.740 By the way, you'll notice he's not even talking about the environment.
00:04:15.300 I'm interested in the environment.
00:04:16.880 To me, that means clean air, clean water.
00:04:18.960 He's talking about climate change.
00:04:20.500 He's talking about the theory of man-made global warming.
00:04:23.500 That's his central issue.
00:04:24.500 That's what he says there's no debate about anymore.
00:04:27.720 Now, this is a Globe and Mail article.
00:04:29.800 It says he's going to focus on this obscure niche left-wing issue
00:04:33.620 in an election where unemployment is 9.4%,
00:04:36.240 the lockdown has devastated businesses and families,
00:04:39.240 civil liberties have been smashed.
00:04:41.620 And Erin O'Toole is obsessed with a fringe lefty issue. 0.68
00:04:45.920 Have you ever seen Justin Trudeau obsess about this same issue in the last year?
00:04:52.320 Isn't the big issue the pandemic?
00:04:54.740 The vaccines, the lockdowns, the economy,
00:04:56.580 the side effects of the lockdown on other health problems?
00:05:01.520 Do you know why Justin Trudeau isn't in the news every day?
00:05:07.200 Talking about global warming the way Erin O'Toole is right now? 0.96
00:05:10.720 It's because no one cares about it right now.
00:05:12.620 No one.
00:05:13.880 And how do I know that?
00:05:15.880 How do I know that Trudeau knows that?
00:05:19.160 Because I have here a copy of a public opinion poll done just for Trudeau.
00:05:24.240 It's a copy of the Government of Canada's official internal survey
00:05:29.160 done for the Privy Council office.
00:05:31.740 That means it's the civil service office dedicated to supporting Trudeau's office
00:05:37.160 and implementing his agenda.
00:05:38.360 So this was released by the government recently,
00:05:41.040 but it was originally done in confidence just for Trudeau's eyes.
00:05:45.640 The government polls constantly.
00:05:48.700 This was Trudeau's private poll.
00:05:50.960 I think it's actually a weekly poll.
00:05:53.100 Here's the page that discusses its methodology.
00:05:55.260 10,000-person sample size.
00:05:59.120 That is a very large poll.
00:06:01.080 It's a serious, expensive poll.
00:06:03.620 They survey 1,000 new people a week.
00:06:05.600 It sounds like a continuous poll if I'm reading it right.
00:06:08.120 So on any given week, the poll is accurate, plus or minus 3%, 19 times out of 20.
00:06:16.520 And here's the very first substantive page in the poll.
00:06:20.640 The most important thing.
00:06:22.700 Look at the question.
00:06:24.460 Thinking about the issues presently facing Canada,
00:06:29.480 which one do you feel should receive the greatest attention from the Government of Canada?
00:06:33.940 What should be the top priority?
00:06:35.600 And that pink line at the top is the virus, the pandemic, 32%.
00:06:41.920 I thought it would be higher, because that's all the media talks about.
00:06:46.360 But the blue line is the economy and jobs, unemployment.
00:06:50.140 That's at 17%, which is in second,
00:06:53.260 because I think a lot of real people are worried about that.
00:06:56.760 I haven't seen a more recent version of this Privy Council poll,
00:07:00.440 but I'll look for it, because I bet the concern about the economy
00:07:03.780 is actually much higher now, especially since we all see American states opening back up,
00:07:10.760 while we in Canada remain largely locked down.
00:07:15.240 And the red line is health and healthcare, 11%.
00:07:19.020 And you see that green line at the bottom that wavers between 3% and 6%,
00:07:24.660 but never gets out of the single digits?
00:07:26.580 Because that's the environment plus climate change.
00:07:30.560 So anyone who has any concerns about the environment as their number one,
00:07:34.600 smog, dirty water, litter, garbage, whatever,
00:07:38.560 that plus all the global warming worriers adds up to between 3% and 6% of Canadians.
00:07:44.560 And remember, this poll has a margin of error of 3%.
00:07:47.820 So it's pretty much as close to zero as can be measured by this poll.
00:07:53.880 I note that education is just below that, which isn't even a federal issue.
00:07:59.780 Do you take my point?
00:08:01.620 Do you see why Justin Trudeau, who loves talking about global warming,
00:08:05.520 isn't talking about global warming?
00:08:07.260 Do you see why?
00:08:07.920 Because no one, nobody, not a single person,
00:08:13.560 okay, maybe a single person is thinking about global warming right now.
00:08:18.160 17% of people say their top issue is unemployment.
00:08:22.180 They're more scared of that than the virus.
00:08:24.240 That probably includes the 9.4% of Canadians who are unemployed.
00:08:28.720 11% say healthcare, but not the pandemic.
00:08:32.460 I think that might mean people who are worried about, say,
00:08:35.640 hundreds of thousands of cancelled surgeries,
00:08:39.480 missed doctor's exams, drug overdoses, depression,
00:08:43.240 all of the result of the lockdown.
00:08:46.340 And Aaron O'Toole has decided to go fishing for votes,
00:08:50.200 not where the fish are.
00:08:52.080 Not in the 32% who say the pandemic is number one.
00:08:55.320 Not in the 11% who worry about healthcare in general.
00:08:58.240 Not the 17% worried about the economy.
00:09:00.740 He's aiming for that 3% to 6% who care about global warming.
00:09:05.640 As if they're even open to voting for the Conservatives.
00:09:08.640 What on earth is he doing?
00:09:11.320 And the thing is, he's not even promoting or proposing a particular plan.
00:09:16.120 I don't know what his plan is, do you?
00:09:18.740 That Globe story suggests he hasn't written it yet.
00:09:21.620 Oh, but there's no debating it.
00:09:23.300 He hasn't written it yet, but when he does, you're not allowed to debate it.
00:09:26.220 He's not putting something forward that's interesting or appealing or debatable.
00:09:30.960 That could happen, by the way.
00:09:32.460 I mean, our friend Dr. Patrick Moore, one of the co-founders of Greenpeace,
00:09:36.260 very interesting guy.
00:09:37.260 I bet he could actually come up with an environmental plan
00:09:39.760 that's free market and conservative and actually is persuasive.
00:09:43.300 I would be open to that.
00:09:45.140 But we don't have that here.
00:09:46.740 What we just have is Aaron O'Toole saying you're not allowed to talk about it.
00:09:50.480 He's done the opposite of a plan.
00:09:51.940 He has not outlined the plan.
00:09:53.720 He's just saying whatever he's going to say one day about it,
00:09:56.820 he will not allow anyone to criticize him.
00:09:59.140 Except I don't think it works that way.
00:10:02.200 Not in that democracy.
00:10:03.900 Everyone's going to criticize it, whether he likes it or not.
00:10:06.720 Does that mean he's going to kick people out of his party again?
00:10:09.760 His opponents will criticize it.
00:10:11.340 Liberals, NDP, the Green Party, the Media Party, lobbyists, whatever.
00:10:15.860 Does he think that only conservatives will be silent in this debate?
00:10:19.380 That they should be silent?
00:10:20.440 But mainly, he's just telling his people to shut up and agree with whatever he says,
00:10:25.820 whatever that is.
00:10:26.600 And what is it?
00:10:27.200 Who knows?
00:10:28.480 I just don't think that's how it works.
00:10:31.040 I just don't think that's how successful political campaigns work.
00:10:35.580 And if you care about ideas, which some people do,
00:10:38.240 I just don't think that this is an issue that's a winner.
00:10:42.620 The Prime Minister's own poll says it will not work.
00:10:45.520 I promise you, if Erin O'Toole were talking about the important stuff in Canada,
00:10:51.460 global warming would not be the headline in the Globe and Mail.
00:10:55.940 I don't think it would be this headline in the National Post.
00:11:00.280 I don't think it would be this headline in the National Post.
00:11:04.140 I don't think it would be this headline in La Presse, in Montreal.
00:11:08.120 I don't think it would be this headline in, oh, say, the Brandon Sun.
00:11:11.300 I don't think it would be this headline in the CBC, etc., ad infinitum.
00:11:15.240 I promise you, those stories about Erin O'Toole and global warming would not be there
00:11:21.560 if Erin O'Toole had not put them there.
00:11:25.260 By making global warming and his demand for total obedience from the conservatives
00:11:29.660 and his promise to make campaigning on global warming his central talking point,
00:11:35.720 he just won't stop talking about it.
00:11:38.520 He won't stop stepping on this rake.
00:11:41.660 This is as if Trudeau just kept talking about the We Charity scandal with the Kielbergers 1.00
00:11:48.240 or the SNC-Lavalin scandal or if he wouldn't shut up about his own blackface 0.65
00:11:52.580 or if he wouldn't shut up about groping Rose Knight in Creston, B.C.
00:11:57.620 He would ensure those stories were in the news every day.
00:12:00.940 Why would he do that?
00:12:02.360 Why would Erin O'Toole rub salt into a wound in his party every day, 1.00
00:12:08.000 a wound that he himself created but won't stop talking about it?
00:12:10.660 I don't get it.
00:12:11.720 I just don't get it.
00:12:13.760 He's going to get slaughtered in the coming election.
00:12:15.980 Mark my words.
00:12:16.640 And when he does, I bet you he'll blame conservatives for messing it up for him.
00:12:25.160 Because as you can see, if he could have just cracked that global warming vote,
00:12:30.620 the election would be his.
00:12:32.920 Oh, my God.
00:12:34.760 Stay with us for more.
00:12:46.640 Welcome back.
00:12:48.120 Well, it's no surprise that Erin O'Toole has ordered mere party members to shut up 1.00
00:12:53.700 on the question of global warming.
00:12:56.360 Because after all, Erin O'Toole ordered Pierre Polyev out of the position of finance critic
00:13:02.200 and he outright threw Derek Sloan, the member of Parliament for Hastings, Lennox and Addington
00:13:08.260 and a leadership rival out of the party on the flimsiest pretext.
00:13:13.040 Well, that same Derek Sloan was reported to have dominated the policy convention,
00:13:18.580 at least in terms of the votes.
00:13:20.200 And he joins us now via Skype from his riding of Belleville, Ontario.
00:13:24.740 Derek, welcome back to the program.
00:13:25.940 It's nice to have you here.
00:13:28.400 What do you make of the policy convention that the party just held?
00:13:33.460 It was a virtual convention.
00:13:35.480 So I don't really know what that's like.
00:13:38.620 Was it a success?
00:13:39.900 And what was your role in it?
00:13:43.040 Yeah, that's a good question.
00:13:44.860 I sent out an email to my supporters doing a post-convention recap.
00:13:50.900 And I said that we sort of accomplished three things.
00:13:53.780 We accomplished passing a lot of good policies, preventing a lot of bad policies from being
00:13:59.960 passed, and also catching the party cheating in sort of broad daylight.
00:14:06.500 And fourthly, I said three things, but I just thought of a fourth.
00:14:10.980 The fourth thing is that we forced Aaron O'Toole to show his true colors, which is basically
00:14:16.420 he doesn't care what the base says.
00:14:18.160 He's going to do it his way.
00:14:19.820 So I think all of those things were accomplished.
00:14:22.320 And I can talk about any of those with you if you'd like.
00:14:25.420 Yeah.
00:14:25.620 Well, no, first of all, tell me, you yourself would not have been a delegate because I guess
00:14:30.580 you were extirpated from not just the caucus, but from the party itself, am I right?
00:14:35.800 Did they remove your party membership so you yourself could not participate?
00:14:39.260 Is that right?
00:14:40.360 So they did remove my membership.
00:14:42.180 My wife was actually a voting delegate, but I was not technically present at the convention.
00:14:48.400 Right.
00:14:48.640 And when you say we, you speak in the first person plural, who was your team?
00:14:54.660 When you say we enacted good policies, we stopped bad policies, who's the rest of them?
00:15:02.840 Well, you know, good true blue conservatives across the country.
00:15:06.300 I had been organizing for several months leading into the convention.
00:15:10.300 We don't know exact numbers, but we think somewhere between 40 to 50 percent of delegates
00:15:14.920 were, you know, Derek Sloan supporters or true blue conservatives.
00:15:19.580 And we did a pretty good job.
00:15:22.540 We out of I sent out a voter's guide.
00:15:25.260 Twenty five out of twenty seven constitutional amendments went the way that I suggested they
00:15:30.320 should.
00:15:31.100 One hundred percent of policy went the way I said it should.
00:15:33.920 And we got about 50 percent of national councillors that I endorsed.
00:15:38.240 So, you know, good, good results.
00:15:41.200 And it's it's not so much me, but just the the membership and the base speaking and they
00:15:46.860 were heard.
00:15:47.580 Now, there were some things the party did that were basically cheating.
00:15:51.120 But with what we were able to do, we did well.
00:15:54.640 Well, it sounds like it with those stats you've said.
00:15:56.900 But let me ask you, what is the game plan?
00:15:59.200 If you have been kicked out of the caucus and if you've been kicked out of the party,
00:16:03.040 sounds like your wife is still in the party. 1.00
00:16:04.680 But if I understand what you've told me, that means you will not be able to run for
00:16:10.180 reelection as a conservative.
00:16:12.820 You, you know, you may have allies or like minded people on the inside.
00:16:18.520 But what is your mission if you are blocked from being part of the Aaron O'Toole team?
00:16:25.700 It sounds like you're you don't really want to be be part of a team that is policy wise and
00:16:31.420 otherwise conduct wise, contrary to your views.
00:16:35.420 I mean, it sounds like the two of you are in a feud of sorts, but he is the leader.
00:16:39.520 So what do you do if you're on the outs?
00:16:42.920 Well, I'm focusing right now on being the best member of parliament that I can be.
00:16:46.780 And I'm working on certain initiatives.
00:16:48.680 I'm able to ask the government basically anything I want without anybody breathing down my neck.
00:16:54.380 Um, it's possible that some of my friends on the inside will raise the question at National
00:16:59.960 Council again with respect to me.
00:17:02.240 Um, I'm not that worried about that right now.
00:17:04.360 I'm just doing everything I can to do what members of parliament are supposed to do, which
00:17:08.580 is raise issues and debate real questions.
00:17:10.960 Now, let me ask you about your district association.
00:17:13.940 I think they're called EDAs.
00:17:15.280 When I was young, they were called riding associations.
00:17:18.200 It's basically the local board of directors for the party.
00:17:21.380 Their job is to raise money, select a candidate, and then provide volunteer labor.
00:17:27.180 Uh, I understand that the party took steps to dissolve or to otherwise challenge your board.
00:17:33.740 Can you give me an update on that?
00:17:35.440 Is that an accurate report?
00:17:37.100 And if so, what happened?
00:17:39.380 So the, that is an accurate report.
00:17:41.900 The, the, uh, sent them notice that they would be dissolved.
00:17:45.180 Now there's a 60 day, uh, waiting period.
00:17:47.940 And I think National Council of the party would have to sort of confirm that or ratify that,
00:17:53.900 which they have not yet done.
00:17:55.760 Um, basically my riding EDA was upset at what happened to me.
00:18:00.280 And they asked the party for reasons as to why they received none and they pushed back
00:18:04.620 a little bit more.
00:18:05.500 And the party, uh, got sick of it and pulled the plug on them, which is pretty unprecedented,
00:18:11.180 uh, for people who, uh, you know, follow politics.
00:18:13.960 Yeah, and, and those are the, I used to use the phrase grass tops as the grassroots, but
00:18:20.280 the grass tops, these are the, the opinion leaders, the, the, the volunteer coordinators.
00:18:25.560 These are the folks who would put in, you know, 40 hour volunteer weeks, 50 hour volunteer
00:18:31.440 weeks during election.
00:18:32.800 Um, it's terrible that the party is quarreling with itself in that way.
00:18:38.320 Let me ask you, um, do you plan on running in the next election, perhaps as an independent
00:18:45.860 or an independent conservative or something like that?
00:18:49.380 Are you going to run again, even though you won't have the party banner?
00:18:54.060 Well, I, I haven't made any official announcements, but I have, I have said that I'm not going
00:18:59.420 anywhere.
00:18:59.880 I'm just getting started.
00:19:01.060 So I'll let people read into that what they will.
00:19:03.380 Um, but listen, I got into politics to fight for the values I've been fighting for and,
00:19:09.340 uh, I'm not going anywhere and I'm not going quietly out into the night.
00:19:13.140 Now, I have to tell you, I'm, I'm a little disappointed in Aaron O'Toole.
00:19:16.720 I don't understand his war against you.
00:19:19.180 Maybe it's a rivalry thing.
00:19:20.860 I'm completely baffled by his demotion of Pierre Polyev, even if he claims it's not a
00:19:26.800 demotion.
00:19:27.180 I note that Pierre Polyev was not a speaker of the convention.
00:19:30.560 At least he wasn't on the official schedule.
00:19:33.740 Can you confirm that Pierre Polyev, who I regard as a star of the party, can you confirm
00:19:39.320 that he actually had no role in the convention?
00:19:42.480 So I, I did not see him at the convention.
00:19:44.860 No.
00:19:45.840 I find that most curious.
00:19:47.360 I mean, the guy, um, he can do the job.
00:19:50.940 He's a, he's a great communicator.
00:19:52.800 He's shown himself in the we charity matter.
00:19:55.960 He seems to have a good command of the finance file.
00:19:59.700 I find that puzzling.
00:20:01.660 Help me understand this.
00:20:03.880 What, I mean, putting, put aside our story.
00:20:06.720 I think Aaron O'Toole dismissed us in a baffling way also.
00:20:11.240 I mean, he did an email interview with me about the China files.
00:20:14.800 We published it.
00:20:15.940 I think he was spooked by the media party reaction and he threw us under the bus.
00:20:19.940 It felt odd.
00:20:21.280 What he did to you felt odd.
00:20:23.440 What he did to Pierre Polyev feels odd.
00:20:25.900 What he's doing on the climate file, it seems strange.
00:20:30.640 I just don't get the plan.
00:20:32.960 Is it just move the party to the left in the hope of wooing Ontario and Quebec?
00:20:37.160 Is it that simple?
00:20:39.160 I think it is that simple.
00:20:40.500 I think there's also a lot of confusion within the ranks.
00:20:43.540 Uh, I don't think that they necessarily know what they're doing on a day-to-day basis.
00:20:47.380 Um, but yeah, I think that general idea that they want to sort of be as,
00:20:51.980 you know, uh, palatable as, as bland as possible to not offend anybody.
00:20:57.340 I think that is part of it for sure.
00:21:00.280 When do you think we're going to have an election?
00:21:02.320 And in your mind, what's your best guess of when the election will be called
00:21:06.340 or when the election day will actually come?
00:21:09.620 So obviously nobody knows, but my, my hunch is that it might be the fall.
00:21:14.260 The fall.
00:21:14.560 And I have a few reasons for saying that.
00:21:17.320 Um, are you, uh, do you believe the polls right now?
00:21:21.880 I, I, I, from time to time refer to the poll aggregator that the CBC has.
00:21:26.720 It's not their own polls.
00:21:27.720 It's just, they put all the polls on one page and then they've got a statistician
00:21:32.260 trying to muddle out some sort of aggregate number.
00:21:35.200 It suggests that the liberals have like a 90% chance of winning and, um, a very strong chance
00:21:44.780 of a majority.
00:21:45.360 They predict the conservatives will actually lose more than a dozen seats, maybe 20.
00:21:50.540 Is that your sense of how things are going?
00:21:52.420 Um, yeah.
00:21:54.060 So if we had an election tomorrow, I think that's exactly the way it would, would play
00:21:57.760 out.
00:21:58.620 Um, and we'll see how things change moving forward.
00:22:01.520 If in fact they do.
00:22:03.800 Um, can I ask you about Maxime Bernier?
00:22:06.080 I, I, I like a lot of Maxime Bernier's ideas, but I can observe that he does not have a seat
00:22:13.220 in parliament and that when he ran in a by-election, he got single digits in the greater Toronto area.
00:22:19.560 Uh, I mean, I like his style.
00:22:21.000 He's brash and audacious and I like his presence on Twitter.
00:22:24.860 Do you have any contact with him that you are able to disclose?
00:22:29.020 Do you, do you feel that, uh, there's anything that the People's Party of Canada could or should
00:22:34.200 do?
00:22:34.540 Um, do you have an opinion of them?
00:22:37.200 Um, I mean, I, I like having them around, but I regard him almost like a pundit now.
00:22:43.540 Uh, if, is that the wrong approach?
00:22:47.440 So I, uh, I, I've been working with Maxime on the, uh, in the lockdowns caucus.
00:22:52.320 We've been, uh, together personally in the same room, uh, three times over the last couple
00:22:57.500 of months.
00:22:58.340 Um, we, there are no sort of secret, uh, dialogues going on, uh, between us and, and joining the
00:23:04.200 PPC.
00:23:04.540 He's, he's given me an open invitation.
00:23:07.060 Um, right now I'm focused on, uh, you know, kind of first sort of fighting my battle with
00:23:12.140 the conservatives, but now I'm focused on the parliamentary work that I have.
00:23:15.740 Uh, I, I like him.
00:23:16.940 I, I like a lot of the things that he says, um, you know, and this is me as a, as a, as
00:23:22.260 an outsider.
00:23:23.200 It seems that they've had some difficulty gaining traction.
00:23:26.040 Uh, I don't know why necessarily, but, uh, but it does appear they've had some difficulty
00:23:30.940 doing that.
00:23:31.560 But listen, I wish him all the best.
00:23:33.280 And I think, uh, I think, uh, the, the things he's doing are valuable things.
00:23:37.200 Mm-hmm.
00:23:38.160 Uh, you mentioned the lockdown caucus.
00:23:40.300 We're familiar with some of the players involved there.
00:23:42.820 Randy Hillier.
00:23:43.720 We like his fighting style.
00:23:45.640 There's others involved, including in Alberta.
00:23:48.660 Uh, I have found it perplexing that not a single conservative party, not a single opposition
00:23:55.900 party in Canada at the federal or provincial level has had a sustained principled critique
00:24:03.360 of lockdowns in this country.
00:24:04.800 That's my observation.
00:24:05.760 Maybe you disagree with that.
00:24:07.180 I look by contrast to the United States, where of the 50 states who have a range of approaches,
00:24:14.620 you have real anti-lockdown leaders like Ron DeSantis in Florida, Kristi Noem in South
00:24:19.820 Dakota, and you have the other approach, Gavin Newsom in California, et cetera.
00:24:23.600 So you have a, there's at least a spectrum of different points of view.
00:24:28.120 Can you help me understand why there, I mean, we have such meek opposition to lockdowns
00:24:36.200 and lockdownism and restrictions on travel and restrictions on civil liberties.
00:24:42.120 I don't see any leadership at the party level.
00:24:46.120 There's a few independents like you and Randy Hillier, but why is there no conservatives fighting
00:24:51.320 against this as there are in the states?
00:24:54.320 It's a good question.
00:24:55.520 I don't, I don't know.
00:24:56.480 I think it comes down to cowardice and feeling that if they, if they come out too early with
00:25:00.380 this stuff, they're going to get punished in the polls.
00:25:02.860 Oddly enough, we had an opposition day motion yesterday where the conservatives were asking
00:25:08.080 and demanding a plan within 20 days for the government to tell us, you know, how they're
00:25:13.460 going to open things up.
00:25:14.380 And, you know, I voted in favor of it, but listen, that came about 10 or 11 months too
00:25:19.200 late.
00:25:20.460 And if you actually watch the debate, there wasn't a lot of discussion about actual sort
00:25:26.260 of scientific differences.
00:25:27.640 And there's good science that people who are skeptical of lockdowns can, can point to.
00:25:32.320 There's the Great Barrington Declaration.
00:25:33.880 There's, there's other things.
00:25:35.420 None of that was raised by the conservatives in the debate.
00:25:38.320 I did my best to raise, I pointed out the, the issue with the PCR tests.
00:25:43.200 I pointed out some other issues as well.
00:25:46.320 But, you know, it's been, anything that has come has been sort of too little, too late.
00:25:51.680 There hasn't been a sustained approach.
00:25:53.380 It hasn't come at the right time.
00:25:56.120 So I don't know what to say.
00:25:57.700 It's just, it's a failure of leadership, a failure of courage.
00:26:01.300 And I'm glad that the conservatives are finally talking about it now, but it's too late.
00:26:06.780 Yeah.
00:26:07.440 One of the things at the federal level, I mean, I, I think that a lot of the lockdowns
00:26:11.840 are coming at the provincial level, which is where a lot of the health jurisdictions
00:26:16.020 are, and at the city level, at least that's how it looks to me when I think of Toronto
00:26:20.880 or Calgary or Vancouver, BC, whatever.
00:26:24.420 So I don't know exactly what levers there are at the federal level.
00:26:27.520 I think travel, international travel and quarantines is a big one.
00:26:32.260 Do you have any opinion about that?
00:26:34.600 I learned recently that Israel and the United Arab Emirates, those are two different countries,
00:26:40.840 fairly far apart, but they just signed a peace deal.
00:26:43.920 They've had a travel bubble between them.
00:26:47.280 So, so for quarantine purposes, they've removed the quarantine, but I thought that was very
00:26:51.920 interesting.
00:26:52.880 They obviously, I mean, both are very vaccinated places.
00:26:57.100 They have a peace deal.
00:26:58.360 They want to do well economically.
00:27:00.140 So they made a bubble between them.
00:27:01.980 I wonder if there's anything we could do to open up the, the travel border with the United
00:27:08.980 States, which is our best friend, biggest ally, biggest commerce, source of tourism.
00:27:14.060 I think our tourism industry, our travel industry is devastated.
00:27:17.860 Do you have an opinion about the border, about these quarantine hotels, about the 14 day quarantine?
00:27:23.660 Because I feel like we're under some sort of house arrest.
00:27:28.320 Yeah.
00:27:28.720 So I, I, I'll answer that.
00:27:31.000 I just wanted to go back a little.
00:27:32.880 I do agree that the decision to lock down is provincial and, and, and potentially on a,
00:27:37.860 you know, a health unit by health unit basis.
00:27:39.540 But I feel that leadership has been lacking from the federal government.
00:27:44.080 And even if all Justin Trudeau did was go out there and give, you know, straight goods
00:27:49.840 to quell some of the unnecessary fear mongering that's going on out there, that would have done a load
00:27:55.560 of good.
00:27:55.920 I mean, imagine if he went out there and said, listen, guys, this is a, you know, a serious
00:28:00.040 situation that we're in, but just so you know, we're, we're seeing that the bulk of fatalities
00:28:04.540 are in seniors with multiple comorbidities.
00:28:07.080 So if you're, you know, a 14 year old in good health, you don't have to be, uh, you
00:28:11.060 know, shivering at home, uh, worried about, uh, uh, you know, worried that you're going
00:28:15.880 to die.
00:28:16.680 Um, you know, this type of sort of leadership was lacking.
00:28:20.420 Um, obviously I have my issues with how different provinces have, have handled this, but on the,
00:28:26.040 on the federal file, I obviously don't see why people need to be quarantining at special
00:28:31.080 hotels that could quarantine just as well at home.
00:28:33.920 Um, I, I think we've just, you know, really failed to adopt the reality of this particular
00:28:39.220 virus, which is basically that some people are, you know, particularly prone to this,
00:28:45.260 but many are not.
00:28:46.320 And every single, uh, sort of approach we've taken is sort of across the board, uh, whoever
00:28:51.540 you are, uh, it applies to you.
00:28:53.940 And, and really we needed sort of segmented targeted approaches and we're, we're still
00:28:59.140 not really seeing that.
00:29:00.500 And, uh, if we had done that from the beginning, we could have had far fewer deaths in long-term
00:29:05.420 care homes.
00:29:06.020 I mean, we knew right off the bat that these almost right off the bat, that these people
00:29:10.140 were far more susceptible.
00:29:11.460 So we've done, you know, far too much for most people and not nearly enough for, for our
00:29:17.240 seniors.
00:29:17.820 So it's, it's just, it's been a shame.
00:29:21.080 You're being very generous with your time.
00:29:22.860 I won't keep you too much longer, but there's one more thing I want to talk about, about the
00:29:27.340 Conservative Party of Canada and Aaron O'Toole in particular.
00:29:30.040 I remember during the leadership race, there was some pressure on you from the caucus.
00:29:35.940 Uh, you had said something criticizing Teresa Tam working for the World Health Organization.
00:29:40.600 We, we believe the same thing, by the way.
00:29:42.520 We don't understand how you can be loyal to the United Nations and sign a loyalty pledge
00:29:47.880 and a non-disclosure agreement with them, which she did, and also serve as Canada's public
00:29:53.320 health officer.
00:29:53.920 That's, that's an obvious conflict to us.
00:29:55.980 But some folks were trying to drum you out of the caucus, if I recall.
00:29:59.560 And Aaron O'Toole actually stood up for you.
00:30:02.440 At least it appeared that way.
00:30:03.660 He said he did.
00:30:04.980 And he said, this is a sign I'm against cancel culture.
00:30:07.560 And I thought that was a magnanimous move.
00:30:09.480 That looked like a big, like he was a big man that even reaching out to a rival.
00:30:16.040 Now, as soon as he won, I think the mask slipped and he real, and he quickly revealed himself
00:30:21.160 to be a cancel culture guy more than most.
00:30:24.900 And so I note that in the convention and in his keynote speech, he never referred to cancel
00:30:31.980 culture or freedom of speech.
00:30:34.320 And I feel that both are critical issues for all Canadians, but especially conservatives.
00:30:39.480 I know that the very second bullet point in Stephen Gilboa's mandate letter from Justin
00:30:45.420 Trudeau is censorship of social media.
00:30:47.880 I feel the pressure for that because, because we are social media.
00:30:51.520 I think all conservatives should care.
00:30:54.740 Does the Conservative Party of Canada care?
00:30:58.060 Do you care?
00:30:59.840 What should they do?
00:31:01.040 What could they do?
00:31:02.040 What will you do?
00:31:03.480 Talk a bit about this gaping hole in the federal party.
00:31:07.600 Well, there certainly is a major issue with social media censorship.
00:31:12.980 And if the Conservatives, you know, had the fortitude, they would campaign on this, right?
00:31:19.580 I mean, there's a mounting frustration with, you know, sort of the politically correct nature
00:31:26.240 of these social media platforms and the deplatforming.
00:31:29.720 You know, I wouldn't expect much from them on it.
00:31:31.880 I mean, you know, again, I think that Aaron O'Toole did what he thought he needed to win.
00:31:37.160 I, you know, having my second votes, having Lesley Lewis's second votes was part of his strategy.
00:31:42.500 And so he followed that through.
00:31:44.300 We're no longer part of his strategy.
00:31:46.520 You know, cracking down on social media, all of this is not part of his strategy.
00:31:50.800 His strategy is reaching out to, you know, urban area soccer moms. 0.61
00:31:54.340 So I wouldn't expect a lot from him on that.
00:31:57.140 But you're right.
00:31:57.620 It's a major problem.
00:31:59.140 And it needs to be addressed.
00:32:01.320 And it's frightening what we're seeing.
00:32:04.440 Well, listen, it's interesting to catch up with you, to hear that you're busy with things.
00:32:09.980 Even though the party has kicked you out on a formal way, you sound still very engaged in its policy matters.
00:32:16.760 Sounds like you're busy in Parliament itself.
00:32:19.000 And, you know, your answer was somewhat cryptic about what your future plans are.
00:32:24.440 But it has led me, at the very least, to keep paying attention that there may be news to come in the weeks or months ahead.
00:32:31.660 It's good to stay in touch with you.
00:32:34.560 And I hope that when you have news, either parliamentary news or news about the party or news about your own future,
00:32:42.160 I hope that you'll bring it to us because I know a lot of our viewers are very interested in what you're up to.
00:32:47.160 Well, if you wouldn't mind, I'll just mention something I'm doing right now.
00:32:52.400 I've started a petition for those who are against a vaccination passport.
00:32:58.060 And there's many reasons why one might be against those types of things.
00:33:01.660 But this would be something that would prevent your ability to move or travel based on whether or not you've been vaccinated.
00:33:07.980 And I have that petition on my website.
00:33:10.420 And for anyone who wishes to sign it, they can go to DerekSloan.ca.
00:33:14.360 And right now we have about 32,000 in-chain signatures.
00:33:19.040 And I intend to present that on the floor of the House of Commons.
00:33:22.420 So if anyone would like to add their name to that, they can be included when I present that.
00:33:26.880 Well, that's excellent.
00:33:27.580 That's at DerekSloan.ca.
00:33:30.100 You know, I wasn't going to ask this question, but you just made me think of it again.
00:33:33.860 So I'm going to ask it anyways.
00:33:35.000 32,000 names, those are people who are skeptics of the government, skeptics of the surveillance state, the violation of privacy.
00:33:45.820 That's a good group of people.
00:33:47.400 And whatever your political future is, whether it's in parliament or some sort of NGO or think tank, having 32,000 allies on them, that's a strong base.
00:33:59.880 Can I ask you, and I suppose I could find out other ways, after your leadership race was over, did you retain, was it part of the rules that you would retain your list of supporters?
00:34:16.520 Because if so, that's quite a base of operations to do conservative political work.
00:34:22.160 Do you have that leadership list?
00:34:23.680 Is it yours legally?
00:34:25.500 Yeah, so that's a good question.
00:34:27.040 So the leadership list, I do not have.
00:34:30.260 However, in the process of the leadership race, I, of course, cultivated many contacts, which I do have legal right to.
00:34:39.300 So there are many tens of thousands of Canadians across the country who reached out to me in various ways.
00:34:46.520 And I do have their contact information, and I do contact them.
00:34:50.600 So, you know, the entire party list, no, I do not have that.
00:34:54.760 But in terms of contacts that I cultivated myself, and it's many, well, I won't tell you the full number, but it's many, many, many.
00:35:02.960 And yes, I absolutely do use that to reach out to people and let them know what I'm doing.
00:35:08.580 Well, I'm glad you do, and that's one of the things we do at Rebel News.
00:35:12.900 We talk to people by email.
00:35:14.320 We bring things to their attention.
00:35:15.900 We ask their point of view.
00:35:17.900 And that's a ticket for a number of activities, whether it's running for office or starting a think tank.
00:35:25.520 And I'm glad you're doing that, because whether it's to put yourself back into elected politics or to become a policy guru or some sort of a think tank, I think Canada desperately needs that.
00:35:42.720 And I think, frankly, the Conservative Party needs that.
00:35:47.080 It needs pressure, and if you have that base and that list and that name recognition, that's a tremendous tool to do it.
00:35:55.940 I'm sure we'll know more about your plans when you're ready to tell us.
00:35:59.320 In the meantime, it's great to have you back on the show, and thank you.
00:36:02.480 Anytime. Thanks for having me.
00:36:03.980 All right, there you have it, Derek Sloan.
00:36:05.780 You can find out more of what he's up to at DerekSloan.ca, including his petition against vaccine passports.
00:36:13.440 Stay with us, more happy.
00:36:17.080 On Rebel News, being demonetized on YouTube, Andrea writes,
00:36:30.340 I've been following you since your days at Sun News, and since the day Rebel began.
00:36:34.160 And I won't stop now.
00:36:35.860 Andrea, thank you very much for that.
00:36:37.460 YouTube can't kill us.
00:36:39.000 We will survive.
00:36:40.640 We must survive.
00:36:41.700 It's just a shame to be driven off such a large platform.
00:36:45.060 And for no good reason.
00:36:45.960 That's what gets me.
00:36:46.680 If we had done something crazy.
00:36:49.700 All right, I'll take my lumps.
00:36:51.460 But when I called the YouTube rep, there was no video that got us in trouble.
00:36:55.020 We still have zero strikes in the three strikes, you're out YouTube policy system.
00:37:01.480 I don't understand it.
00:37:03.700 Tyson writes, we all knew this day was coming, no surprises.
00:37:07.040 Personally, this is the day I cancel my monthly premium YouTube subscription.
00:37:10.760 Yeah, we're going to try and get our ads back, but I just think they're very whimsical.
00:37:17.660 And as I said to our YouTube rep on the phone, if they're willing to take down President Donald Trump, I think they're pretty willing to take down Rebel News.
00:37:25.120 They just, they have no shame anymore.
00:37:26.660 On Pastor Coats, Paul writes, great to see the pastor being released.
00:37:32.020 This is a black spot on Kenny and the UCP record.
00:37:35.060 Oh, there's a lot of people to blame here.
00:37:37.380 The government, the prosecutor, the judge, Alberta Health.
00:37:40.820 I think it's bizarre.
00:37:42.140 I think it's a black mark.
00:37:43.360 And also the media, who were either silent or cheering his arrest.
00:37:49.360 And actually other faith leaders.
00:37:52.060 Where are the other pastors and priests and bishops and rabbis and followers of other religions too?
00:37:58.080 I think this was a great shame for all of Canada.
00:38:02.700 That's our story for today.
00:38:04.120 That's our show for tonight.
00:38:05.460 Thanks for joining us.
00:38:06.340 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night.
00:38:10.820 Keep fighting for freedom.