Rebel News Podcast - EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW： Tommy Robinson has been released from prison!

00:00:00.560 You're listening to a Rebel Media Podcast.

00:00:03.820 Tommy Robinson is released from prison.

00:00:06.440 But what does it say about the United Kingdom?

00:00:08.740 It's September 13th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:00:13.840 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:17.620 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:21.680 The only thing I have to say to the government of a wire publisher

00:00:25.060 is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:00:30.000 I'm coming to you from outside the prison in London, England,

00:00:37.200 where Tommy Robinson has been incarcerated these past 66 days.

00:00:41.520 The prison is called HMP Belmarsh, but it's been nicknamed Britain's Guantanamo Bay.

00:00:47.960 This is where the unlawful enemy combatants, as terrorists are now called,

00:00:52.840 were housed in the wake of 9-11.

00:00:54.580 In fact, there are many terrorists in here to this day,

00:00:57.000 including one of the murderers of Lee Rigby, Michael Abelago.

00:01:03.400 Some of the most notorious mass murderers are in here,

00:01:07.480 and also a civil prisoner, our friend and former employee, Tommy Robinson.

00:01:13.720 Tommy was not convicted of a crime to put him in this place amongst the murderers and the terrorists.

00:01:18.860 He was found in civil contempt of court,

00:01:21.520 a much lower standard, and not a crime at all, actually.

00:01:25.400 I know you'll find this hard to believe,

00:01:27.280 but he was found in contempt for merely standing outside the courthouse

00:01:32.560 of a mass rape gang trial in Leeds a year and a half ago,

00:01:38.520 and simply asking the rape suspects as they walked into court on Judgment Day,

00:01:43.760 asking them, quote, how do you feel about your trial today?

00:01:47.480 How do you feel about your case today?

00:01:49.600 He asked them this about three or four different suspects as they came in.

00:01:54.020 There was 29 people on trial that day.

00:01:56.680 All of them were convicted.

00:01:58.540 The trial was over.

00:01:59.520 The jury was rendering his verdict.

00:02:01.460 Tommy didn't swear at them.

00:02:02.680 He didn't block them.

00:02:04.220 He didn't threaten them.

00:02:05.280 He simply asked them, how do you feel about your trial today?

00:02:08.140 And for that, I was there at the Old Bailey Prison.

00:02:12.200 Dame Vera Scott, the head of the Queen's Bench here in the UK,

00:02:19.440 shockingly, laughingly, absurdly declared that to be a contempt of court

00:02:24.020 because it impeded and prejudiced the trial.

00:02:26.400 I'm not sure how that's possible,

00:02:27.940 given that the trial was over and he did not impede anyone.

00:02:30.960 But unfortunately, that's the state of the UK these days.

00:02:33.580 So for that journalistic act, Tommy Robinson was put in this prison for 66 days.

00:02:39.600 Now, we here at The Rebel are interested in Tommy for several reasons.

00:02:42.760 First of all, he's a personal friend.

00:02:44.520 And this came about because he was a former journalist with us

00:02:47.880 who worked for us for about a year before he went out on his own.

00:02:51.000 But it's not just the personal ties.

00:02:52.840 It's the fact that Tommy stands for two things that we stand for.

00:02:56.220 Number one, he reports on the Islamification of the United Kingdom,

00:03:00.300 especially this terrible phenomenon of rape gangs

00:03:03.760 that Majid Nawaz, a progressive Muslim reformist

00:03:07.400 at the Quilliam Foundation himself, admits are overwhelmingly Muslim men.

00:03:13.380 Here's Majid Nawaz saying what is hard for a non-Muslim to say,

00:03:17.960 but I suppose it's hard for Muslims to say.

00:03:19.920 Here he is saying it.

00:03:21.320 Why are we still, despite the years of evidence mounting up on this issue,

00:03:26.200 why are we still so uncomfortable talking about this issue

00:03:30.980 and accepting the fact that there is a hugely disproportionate number

00:03:35.540 of British, South Asian Muslim men involved in what can only be described

00:03:40.600 as a despicable crime?

00:03:43.500 The fact is that since 2011,

00:03:46.180 these sorts of crimes have occurred in cities up and down the country.

00:03:50.300 They are spreading.

00:03:50.980 They have occurred in Rochdale, Rotherham, Oxford, Telford, Leeds, Birmingham,

00:03:56.700 Norwich, Burnley, High Wycombe, Leicester, Dewsbury, Middlesbrough,

00:04:01.360 Peterborough, Bristol, Halifax and Newcastle.

00:04:04.920 And in only two of those cases I've just listed from all of those cities

00:04:09.260 were the men not of British, South Asian, Muslim heritage.

00:04:14.120 All of the victims in all of those cities that I just listed,

00:04:17.740 the list was very long.

00:04:18.960 All of the victims, except three, were white teenage girls.

00:04:26.740 And so the fact that this pattern,

00:04:28.420 the fact that 84% of these cases involve British, South Asian, Muslim men

00:04:33.160 must beg the question, why?

00:04:36.600 Majid Nawaz is very interesting.

00:04:38.300 Besides talking about the fact that 80 plus percent of these rapists

00:04:42.920 are Pakistani Muslim men,

00:04:44.200 even though they make up a sliver of a fraction of the British population,

00:04:47.340 he also says that the reason Tommy Robinson has grown so large

00:04:52.440 and this perplexes the British establishment

00:04:54.380 is precisely because the British establishment itself is AWOL,

00:04:58.400 is absent when discussing this controversial matter.

00:05:02.380 Take a look at this.

00:05:03.080 For too long in this country,

00:05:06.660 we, media, the establishment, society,

00:05:11.000 the chattering classes, the liberal elite,

00:05:12.940 whatever term you want to use,

00:05:14.800 have ignored the issue of grooming gangs,

00:05:17.980 of young, vulnerable teenage girls who have been victimised,

00:05:21.860 drugged and raped and abused.

00:05:23.760 Whether it's the Rotherham case

00:05:26.160 or all the other cases that were replicated across the country,

00:05:29.360 it is both the conclusion of the prosecutor in the Rotherham case,

00:05:33.620 British, Pakistani, Muslim, Nazir, Afzal,

00:05:35.920 or indeed the official inquiry into why it took so long

00:05:39.760 for these young, vulnerable, underage girls to get justice.

00:05:43.580 Both of those concluded that fears of racism

00:05:47.320 prevented us from coming to the defence

00:05:49.780 of vulnerable, underage girls.

00:05:51.940 Fears of racism meaning that the state was scared

00:05:56.300 that it would be accused of being racist

00:05:58.700 if it rightly arrested and prosecuted

00:06:01.600 British, Pakistani largely,

00:06:03.860 British, Pakistani, Muslim men

00:06:06.020 in their abuse of underage white teenage girls.

00:06:12.380 And so, from fear of appearing racist,

00:06:15.820 there was a silence across the country

00:06:19.080 as multiple cases of grooming gangs emerged

00:06:22.260 up and down the country,

00:06:24.100 as evidenced now due to multiple prosecutions,

00:06:27.920 successful prosecutions,

00:06:29.520 but sadly and unfortunately too late.

00:06:31.820 If we hadn't all been silent,

00:06:33.980 if we had all addressed this issue head on

00:06:37.120 when it needed to be addressed,

00:06:39.080 when it was time to address it,

00:06:41.660 then the void would not have emerged

00:06:43.760 for the populist agitators to fill that gap

00:06:47.440 and become popular, actually,

00:06:50.240 as a result of addressing what is a legitimate issue.

00:06:53.460 They ended up hijacking

00:06:54.760 what should have been the concern

00:06:56.800 of every right-minded citizen in this country.

00:06:59.980 So Tommy speaks out against these things.

00:07:02.000 I encourage you to read his autobiography.

00:07:04.240 It's called Enemy of the State.

00:07:05.940 It's really quite amazing.

00:07:07.960 It was the KGB that said,

00:07:10.360 I think it was Laurenti Beria,

00:07:12.460 the predecessor of the KGB,

00:07:14.320 I think it was him who said,

00:07:16.100 show me the man, I'll find you the crime.

00:07:18.400 And that's how it's been

00:07:19.620 with regards to Tommy Robinson.

00:07:22.160 When you throw enough resources at any human being,

00:07:25.280 if you scrutinize every single aspect

00:07:27.740 of their public and private lives,

00:07:29.540 you'll probably find something to get them on.

00:07:32.700 And so it is with Tommy Robinson.

00:07:34.420 I note that next month,

00:07:36.160 Tommy is on trial again.

00:07:37.280 They're trying to ban him

00:07:38.280 from attending football games.

00:07:39.980 That's what they call soccer over here. 0.71

00:07:42.240 It's just an absurd, punitive, trivial lawsuit,

00:07:45.980 but that's the point.

00:07:47.740 Take up his time and money and stress

00:07:50.240 and just harass him. 0.87

00:07:51.360 If he's busy defending stupid lawsuits,

00:07:53.260 he's spending less time politicking.

00:07:55.780 The entire British establishment

00:07:57.120 is against Tommy Robinson.

00:07:58.340 And I'm sometimes asked,

00:07:59.340 what about politicians?

00:08:01.540 Well, just as I was getting revved up there,

00:08:03.540 Tommy Robinson came out of the prison.

00:08:05.520 So I rushed over to live stream

00:08:07.700 what that looked like.

00:08:09.140 Well, where were we going?

00:08:10.200 Very insistent that I not.

00:08:11.800 Hey, Tommy, how are you doing, mate?

00:08:14.240 I'm doing great.

00:08:15.240 Look at you.

00:08:16.000 I know, man.

00:08:16.520 First stop hairdressers, yeah?

00:08:17.720 I know.

00:08:18.480 Have your fun with your memes.

00:08:21.260 Tommy, it's great to see you.

00:08:22.700 Good to see you.

00:08:23.220 You're in better health

00:08:24.960 than you were last time.

00:08:26.780 We visited you a few times.

00:08:28.000 Say a few words

00:08:28.800 to your supporters

00:08:30.200 who have been rooting for you

00:08:31.500 these past 66 days.

00:08:33.380 Yep.

00:08:34.220 I'd say it's been...

00:08:35.800 I've enjoyed reading the support

00:08:38.860 and hearing the support.

00:08:40.100 For me, the main thing for this

00:08:41.540 would be an embarrassment

00:08:42.320 to the British government,

00:08:44.060 an embarrassment to the judiciary.

00:08:46.080 In the judge's words,

00:08:47.320 so let's pretend I did commit contempt to court,

00:08:48.960 which I did.

00:08:49.520 In her words, it was unintentional.

00:08:50.940 So something that was unintentional,

00:08:53.280 something that was unintentional

00:08:54.440 that had zero effect on a trial,

00:08:56.180 would result in a man, 0.99

00:08:57.440 a journalist,

00:08:58.120 being put in prison,

00:08:59.500 spending two and a half months

00:09:01.040 of soldier requirement in orderly.

00:09:02.760 And this is the crazy thing.

00:09:04.340 I walked into Belmarsh prison

00:09:05.720 and walked out

00:09:06.600 without seeing another prisoner.

00:09:09.240 What's your message to the media?

00:09:10.660 I have to say the mainstream media.

00:09:12.280 The Daily Mirror's here.

00:09:13.280 They were here early.

00:09:14.060 You read their lies.

00:09:14.740 Can I turn you around

00:09:15.220 to get you with a pack?

00:09:16.140 No, you can't.

00:09:16.680 I'm from the prison man.

00:09:17.520 That's true.

00:09:17.940 You read their lies.

00:09:20.320 You read their lies.

00:09:21.380 The Daily Mirror lied

00:09:22.420 saying I was attacked in this prison.

00:09:25.600 You lied.

00:09:26.080 You lied to the public.

00:09:27.000 You made up an entire story

00:09:28.020 or you were part of the propaganda

00:09:29.780 that's pushed out.

00:09:30.920 My only message to them is

00:09:32.420 you're a disgrace and embarrassment

00:09:34.400 because if this happened

00:09:35.140 to a journalist in Hong Kong,

00:09:36.420 if what's happened to me

00:09:37.360 happened to a journalist in Russia,

00:09:38.800 in China,

00:09:39.500 you'd all be up in arms.

00:09:40.720 But because I talk about Islam,

00:09:42.300 you're all silent.

00:09:42.900 You're all complicit

00:09:43.760 in the attack on free speech

00:09:45.420 that we're witnessing.

00:09:46.040 You're all complicit

00:09:47.040 on what's happened to our country.

00:09:48.640 All of the media are.

00:09:49.400 Well, it's a great point.

00:09:50.680 Right now, there's Venezuela.

00:09:52.680 I was found guilty

00:09:53.920 by an appointed judge.

00:09:55.180 By an appointed judge

00:09:56.120 two weeks before.

00:09:56.680 That's how the rule works.

00:09:57.020 No, not by a jury.

00:09:58.140 Common law,

00:09:58.700 English common law,

00:09:59.420 says that if you can face

00:10:00.240 over six months in prison,

00:10:01.200 you get a jury.

00:10:02.160 I was not given a jury.

00:10:03.440 So you'd be not guilty

00:10:04.320 if it was a jury trial?

00:10:04.760 I know I've got found

00:10:05.600 not guilty,

00:10:06.160 and so do they.

00:10:06.920 It's the only offense

00:10:08.520 in the whole entire country

00:10:09.760 that you can get taken

00:10:11.420 to prison for up to two years

00:10:12.920 without a jury.

00:10:13.800 Well, that was interesting,

00:10:14.940 but as I said,

00:10:15.920 we needed to get that lad to,

00:10:17.740 well, he wanted a quarter pounder.

00:10:19.660 He had been watching ads

00:10:20.720 for quarter pounders

00:10:21.720 for 66 days.

00:10:23.180 The lad wanted his McDonald's,

00:10:24.920 and then, boy,

00:10:25.700 did he need a barber.

00:10:26.660 So we did that.

00:10:27.740 Well, we picked him up

00:10:43.720 at prison.

00:10:44.560 We got him a haircut.

00:10:45.920 He had a hot meal,

00:10:46.760 and now Tommy Robinson

00:10:47.680 sits down with me.

00:10:48.540 What a pleasure to see you

00:10:50.200 outside of prison

00:10:51.560 and free again.

00:10:52.900 It's good to be seen.

00:10:54.660 This time was a lot different

00:10:55.940 than your incarceration

00:10:57.160 and HMP only.

00:10:58.740 I would describe that

00:10:59.900 as torture,

00:11:01.040 physical and psychological.

00:11:03.400 How was it this time?

00:11:04.940 So I was in Belmarsh,

00:11:06.700 obviously,

00:11:07.460 and the governor of Belmarsh

00:11:09.220 made a complete effort

00:11:10.580 to make sure

00:11:11.420 that my rights were recognized.

00:11:13.980 I was in for a civil offense.

00:11:15.300 It's not a criminal offense.

00:11:17.040 As a civil prisoner,

00:11:18.160 you're entitled to more money.

00:11:19.680 So my big thing...

00:11:20.900 As in to spend more of your own money?

00:11:22.360 To spend more money.

00:11:22.780 £47.50 a week I could spend,

00:11:25.100 which meant I could buy

00:11:25.940 as much tinned food

00:11:26.880 as I wanted to

00:11:27.560 and really,

00:11:29.560 basically,

00:11:30.440 and fruit and things like that.

00:11:32.100 In Honolulu last year,

00:11:33.560 £10 a week I had

00:11:34.580 so I could buy

00:11:35.500 six tins of tuna.

00:11:36.840 That's it.

00:11:37.600 And you couldn't eat

00:11:38.340 the prison cafeteria food

00:11:39.800 because, of course,

00:11:40.220 it was made by

00:11:40.680 the prison Muslim gangs.

00:11:43.680 How was it in Belmarsh?

00:11:45.120 Did you feel comfortable

00:11:45.960 eating their prepared food?

00:11:47.440 So from when I was...

00:11:48.880 I went into Belmarsh prison

00:11:50.340 and come out of Belmarsh prison

00:11:51.580 without seeing a prisoner.

00:11:52.660 The only prisoner I saw

00:11:54.100 on two separate occasions

00:11:55.240 was Julian Assange.

00:11:56.780 Now that's amazing

00:11:57.980 to a lot of people

00:11:59.060 that...

00:12:00.020 Because...

00:12:00.500 I mean,

00:12:00.760 I don't know enough

00:12:01.600 about Julian Assange

00:12:02.500 to come to a firm conclusion,

00:12:03.780 but some people call him

00:12:04.700 a political prisoner.

00:12:05.980 He's certainly not a violent man.

00:12:07.820 You are definitely

00:12:08.740 a political prisoner.

00:12:10.460 For the two of you

00:12:11.380 to wind up in the same prison,

00:12:13.160 the same unit,

00:12:14.480 that's quite something.

00:12:15.300 Maybe it was inevitable.

00:12:16.280 I don't know.

00:12:16.460 So he's in healthcare,

00:12:19.200 which...

00:12:19.540 So basically,

00:12:20.520 where I was was...

00:12:22.120 It's a prison within the prison,

00:12:23.520 so essentially no one goes

00:12:24.660 to this section bit.

00:12:25.600 So you've got a corridor,

00:12:27.540 you've got a corridor along here,

00:12:28.980 and there's no windows

00:12:29.640 in the corridor.

00:12:30.160 So there's a corridor,

00:12:30.740 there's a door at this end

00:12:31.480 and a door at this end.

00:12:32.840 And on this strip,

00:12:34.580 there'll be four rooms.

00:12:35.580 There's a prison officer's room

00:12:37.440 where the staff will sit,

00:12:38.780 two members of the staff,

00:12:40.420 then an empty cell,

00:12:41.940 and then my cell,

00:12:43.280 and then the next cell,

00:12:44.640 which is another empty cell

00:12:45.900 with a exercise bike in it.

00:12:49.020 And at the end,

00:12:49.580 you'll have...

00:12:50.240 Then at the end,

00:12:50.880 there's a shower.

00:12:52.020 So...

00:12:52.620 And then my...

00:12:53.420 So for me to have it...

00:12:54.440 So the idea is

00:12:55.140 that you're contained on here,

00:12:56.620 no one sees you,

00:12:57.500 no one knows you're there.

00:12:58.380 They call it a suite,

00:12:59.520 don't they?

00:12:59.920 They call it the...

00:13:00.680 Yes, it's...

00:13:01.140 The suite.

00:13:02.060 For anyone who's stayed

00:13:03.580 in a suite in a hotel,

00:13:04.660 it's not...

00:13:05.240 It's not a suite yet.

00:13:06.720 It's basically three cells.

00:13:09.760 But...

00:13:10.160 So at nine in the morning,

00:13:12.340 so they'd come

00:13:13.040 and my door would be opened

00:13:14.100 at nine in the morning,

00:13:14.920 quarter to nine.

00:13:15.680 And then when my door's open,

00:13:17.060 then the officers

00:13:18.260 then sit in their room

00:13:19.580 and then I have

00:13:21.440 till quarter past eleven

00:13:22.400 to shower,

00:13:24.580 use the bike.

00:13:25.380 So you're on your own,

00:13:26.900 but I'll go on the bike for an hour.

00:13:28.040 The bike was a good sign.

00:13:28.940 The first day I saw the bike,

00:13:31.200 I was like,

00:13:31.480 because they said,

00:13:31.980 you've got your own gym.

00:13:33.220 Because I said,

00:13:33.740 I want to go to the gym.

00:13:34.480 You've got your own gym.

00:13:35.260 When I was coming in the reception,

00:13:37.480 I saw the bike,

00:13:38.280 I first went to the gym.

00:13:38.900 Is that all it is?

00:13:39.680 The bike did the bike saw?

00:13:40.580 Yeah, but it was actually good.

00:13:41.540 No, no, no.

00:13:42.080 That's it.

00:13:42.400 And then,

00:13:43.680 so then I'd do an hour on the bike.

00:13:45.700 I'd pace up and down

00:13:48.360 to cool down a bit

00:13:49.840 before I had a shower

00:13:50.680 and then I'd have a shower

00:13:51.860 and then I'd go on

00:13:52.900 an exercise yard,

00:13:53.980 which is a contained exercise.

00:13:55.760 So the exercise yard

00:13:56.740 backs onto where my window is

00:13:58.160 and it's like,

00:14:00.220 you see from the visit room,

00:14:01.560 it's four storey high.

00:14:03.080 But there's windows

00:14:04.080 looking on this exercise yard.

00:14:05.660 So it's a square,

00:14:06.740 it's a courtyard.

00:14:08.500 But there's no cells

00:14:10.300 that look onto it.

00:14:11.600 There's no cells around here.

00:14:14.140 This part of the prison,

00:14:15.480 this is all offices.

00:14:17.280 But then at the top,

00:14:18.420 there's four cells from healthcare.

00:14:20.360 So if you've had an operation,

00:14:21.680 if you're on a hospital wing,

00:14:24.260 there's four windows

00:14:25.640 that looked onto this courtyard.

00:14:27.500 Junior Assange's

00:14:28.260 was the second window in.

00:14:29.460 So you could holler up to him

00:14:31.940 and he could holler down to you?

00:14:33.440 Yeah, so two days,

00:14:34.700 where are we now?

00:14:35.360 Two, three days ago,

00:14:36.260 I spent 30 minutes

00:14:37.940 when I could see him then

00:14:39.640 because, again,

00:14:41.760 he's not having a good time.

00:14:43.820 He's been in the form of detention

00:14:46.200 for many years.

00:14:47.140 Yeah, and as he says,

00:14:48.900 the isolation has gained

00:14:49.900 or got to him.

00:14:52.560 I don't want to pry into any confidences,

00:14:55.020 although I don't think

00:14:55.740 I'd call it a confidence.

00:14:56.680 Obviously, every word he said to you

00:14:58.200 and vice versa

00:14:58.740 was tracked by the prison

00:15:01.060 and probably

00:15:01.640 various intelligence agencies.

00:15:03.460 I don't think there's

00:15:04.140 a private word spoken

00:15:05.380 in those contingency suites.

00:15:07.320 I know when I visited you,

00:15:08.380 there was a camera

00:15:09.160 at the ceiling.

00:15:09.900 There's cameras, I don't know.

00:15:10.640 Are you at liberty

00:15:11.440 to discuss what you

00:15:12.600 talked about with him?

00:15:15.780 Yeah, I wouldn't be aware.

00:15:17.320 That's why I wouldn't be aware

00:15:18.360 if he didn't even want me to.

00:15:19.680 So, through a mutual friend

00:15:21.580 that was...

00:15:21.960 You know what,

00:15:22.600 no problem,

00:15:23.620 I just was curious,

00:15:24.300 but the fact that you spoke

00:15:25.460 with him was interesting.

00:15:26.940 I spoke to him

00:15:27.820 about a mutual friend

00:15:28.800 we spoke about this morning,

00:15:29.840 so I knew,

00:15:30.420 and you think,

00:15:31.340 I'll say if I could...

00:15:31.820 No problem,

00:15:32.460 I was just curious

00:15:33.380 because I know our viewers

00:15:34.240 will be tantalized.

00:15:35.420 Now, when I visited you

00:15:36.460 on one of those occasions,

00:15:37.780 I heard some moaning

00:15:38.820 or some shouting,

00:15:39.960 obviously not from the science,

00:15:41.160 there's another prisoner,

00:15:43.020 was there a murderer

00:15:44.020 in the wing as well?

00:15:44.720 So, on healthcare as well,

00:15:47.340 so there's a prisoner who...

00:15:49.460 So, in the first week,

00:15:50.680 I was speaking to him

00:15:51.740 because I couldn't see him,

00:15:53.040 so I haven't seen him,

00:15:53.920 but he can shout out the window

00:15:55.660 and you can speak to the person.

00:15:57.040 There's four windows there,

00:15:58.000 but there's one lad there

00:15:59.840 who was feeling sorry

00:16:01.580 for him the first week.

00:16:02.800 He's having a terrible sentence.

00:16:03.880 He's 10 years in.

00:16:05.820 10 years in isolation?

00:16:07.380 No, so he's not in isolation.

00:16:08.660 So, he's in hell.

00:16:09.500 Yeah, for his door to open,

00:16:10.540 there has to be four security,

00:16:12.440 he's wearing full riot gear

00:16:13.620 every time.

00:16:14.460 Oh, my God,

00:16:15.240 he must be a monster.

00:16:17.020 Or maybe not.

00:16:17.960 Maybe not.

00:16:18.600 They could say that about you.

00:16:19.640 No, he is.

00:16:20.320 So, the crime he told me

00:16:21.600 he was in there for,

00:16:22.540 I checked out

00:16:23.240 because I didn't want to be talking.

00:16:24.340 I want to know

00:16:24.860 what he's in there for.

00:16:25.580 He told me he's in there

00:16:26.160 for murdering his mate.

00:16:27.460 He's not in there

00:16:27.940 for murdering his mate.

00:16:28.900 He's in there for murdering,

00:16:29.740 raping, 16-0,

00:16:30.580 girl, and phone.

00:16:31.200 I remember the phone was good.

00:16:32.180 So, he's having a bad tenure.

00:16:33.940 And when I found that out,

00:16:35.500 I thought it was good

00:16:35.980 that he's having

00:16:36.360 such a bad sentence

00:16:37.200 and I hope he has another

00:16:38.460 15 years of hell in there.

00:16:40.260 But, that's the only...

00:16:44.460 Anyone who's been in prison,

00:16:45.260 it's the hustle and bustle

00:16:45.980 of being in prison.

00:16:46.760 It's the noises of being in prison,

00:16:48.260 the environment of being in prison.

00:16:50.040 But, this wasn't like

00:16:51.000 being in a prison

00:16:52.280 because, as I said,

00:16:53.800 the only person I saw briefly,

00:16:55.900 which was once...

00:16:57.100 So, and again,

00:16:58.700 so when I got in there,

00:17:00.500 I expected the same as last time.

00:17:02.900 23 and a half hour bang up.

00:17:04.780 Them to block

00:17:05.580 and they blocked...

00:17:07.260 Like, last time,

00:17:07.780 the only time they'd get me out

00:17:08.780 was at lunchtime

00:17:10.680 for my shower.

00:17:11.940 And that's when I could use the phone.

00:17:13.340 And my wife, at the time,

00:17:14.160 was working actually

00:17:14.900 in a school.

00:17:15.900 She's not now.

00:17:16.480 But she was working in a school. 0.88

00:17:17.720 And my kids were at school.

00:17:18.640 So, I couldn't speak to my family.

00:17:20.500 And they'd purposely

00:17:21.360 done everything.

00:17:22.640 So, I expected the same.

00:17:24.080 But, um...

00:17:25.160 And I was probably quite rude

00:17:26.900 on the first day.

00:17:28.560 I remember when the governor

00:17:29.500 come down to see me

00:17:30.360 and I just said,

00:17:30.780 shut the door.

00:17:31.800 Because I expected the same.

00:17:33.240 But then,

00:17:34.080 it very...

00:17:35.420 I knew quite quickly

00:17:36.300 it wasn't the same.

00:17:37.180 I mean,

00:17:37.580 like, essentially,

00:17:39.240 that governor

00:17:39.760 is in a position

00:17:40.600 where I've landed in this prison,

00:17:42.600 which is why

00:17:42.900 I haven't got a bad word

00:17:43.600 to say about Belmarsh.

00:17:44.860 I'm annoyed and angered

00:17:46.160 and frustrated

00:17:46.660 at what they've been

00:17:48.040 allowed to do again.

00:17:49.160 By putting me

00:17:49.800 at the Old Bailey,

00:17:50.440 they know that

00:17:50.860 sends me to Belmarsh.

00:17:51.860 Belmarsh is...

00:17:54.120 houses the worst

00:17:55.300 terrorists

00:17:56.080 and the worst...

00:17:56.700 It's like Guantanamo Bay.

00:17:57.560 Yeah, it's the worst offenders

00:17:58.600 and the worst offenders

00:18:00.060 in the UK

00:18:00.540 are sent to Belmarsh.

00:18:01.640 Salman Abadie's brothers

00:18:02.940 believe in there now.

00:18:04.520 The man who attacked

00:18:05.720 the police officer,

00:18:06.560 the British order,

00:18:07.120 he come in there.

00:18:08.400 So it's terrorists and murders.

00:18:12.060 And you?

00:18:12.940 And a civil offender.

00:18:14.520 So that...

00:18:14.860 Ross Kemp...

00:18:15.420 That's what...

00:18:15.960 Because Ross Kemp's

00:18:16.580 doing a documentary.

00:18:17.480 He's a British journalist?

00:18:18.800 Yeah, he's doing it

00:18:19.760 and he come down...

00:18:20.380 That's what he come down

00:18:21.100 after a couple of days

00:18:21.940 and I don't put it...

00:18:23.700 I think he come down

00:18:25.220 after a couple of days

00:18:25.700 saying how do you feel

00:18:27.720 and you're not in...

00:18:29.540 You're not a threat here

00:18:30.860 and he's right.

00:18:32.160 And there was no...

00:18:33.460 No time in that sentence

00:18:34.740 after the first couple of days

00:18:36.640 did I feel in danger.

00:18:38.420 You know,

00:18:38.780 which is very different

00:18:39.720 to my last sentence.

00:18:41.040 So...

00:18:41.660 And then, as I said,

00:18:43.220 the office,

00:18:44.120 the governor,

00:18:45.320 once I'm in his jail,

00:18:46.180 he's got a duty of care

00:18:48.660 to keep me safe

00:18:49.280 so he's fulfilling

00:18:50.620 his duty of care

00:18:51.180 to keep me safe

00:18:51.660 but the argument,

00:18:52.680 what I was saying

00:18:53.160 to Ross Kemp is

00:18:53.940 in the last 12 months

00:18:56.900 I'm a journalist.

00:18:58.860 I work as a journalist.

00:19:00.260 Whether the media like it or not.

00:19:01.900 Whether Geoffrey Cox

00:19:04.160 or the British government

00:19:05.140 or any of them like it.

00:19:06.560 I've become the most watched

00:19:07.560 journalist in the UK.

00:19:09.580 They don't like that.

00:19:10.740 Now,

00:19:11.940 they don't like the stories I tell.

00:19:14.220 Now,

00:19:14.680 the judges sum it up.

00:19:15.640 Let's pretend for a second

00:19:16.420 that I did commit contempt of court

00:19:17.740 which I didn't.

00:19:18.500 Let's pretend I did.

00:19:19.740 Then,

00:19:20.100 in the judges summing up

00:19:21.320 when she sent it to me

00:19:22.020 because I had a write out of here

00:19:22.900 which I read to Ross Kemp

00:19:24.820 I said,

00:19:25.160 listen to what she says.

00:19:26.520 My offence was unintentional.

00:19:28.860 So she's not saying

00:19:29.520 I intended to break the law.

00:19:30.460 So what she's saying is

00:19:31.460 I committed an accident,

00:19:33.420 an error,

00:19:34.640 whilst working.

00:19:36.500 And for that,

00:19:37.780 for that error

00:19:38.500 that had no effect

00:19:39.840 at all

00:19:40.880 on the trial.

00:19:41.580 they see this

00:19:44.020 as a fit punishment

00:19:45.900 I've done

00:19:47.120 in the last 12 months

00:19:48.600 I've spent

00:19:49.040 two and a half months,

00:19:50.540 three months nearly

00:19:51.180 on solitary confinement

00:19:52.980 in awful conditions

00:19:55.320 in H&P only

00:19:56.400 with them messing with everything

00:19:58.080 they couldn't mess with.

00:19:59.180 This sentence was very different

00:20:00.580 in the sense that

00:20:01.820 the staff were great

00:20:02.800 when I saw them.

00:20:04.220 You know what I mean?

00:20:04.520 I only see them

00:20:05.160 for two hours

00:20:06.180 when my cell opens

00:20:07.060 and then because of the unit

00:20:08.300 because of this unit

00:20:09.460 that I'm on

00:20:10.020 I believe the unit

00:20:10.800 was built for Ian Huntley.

00:20:12.920 Who's here?

00:20:13.640 Ian Huntley murdered

00:20:14.360 two young children,

00:20:15.420 two young girls

00:20:16.000 regularly killed them.

00:20:18.160 So he's

00:20:18.580 Ian Huntley's on it

00:20:19.860 there was another

00:20:20.400 Abu Hamza I believe

00:20:22.220 has been on it

00:20:22.840 Michael Ola Bellagio

00:20:24.300 has been on it.

00:20:25.160 So it's an isolation unit

00:20:26.380 but there's

00:20:28.460 there's two

00:20:29.100 there's two free cells

00:20:30.540 so sometimes

00:20:31.320 when they've got some people

00:20:32.160 on they might have

00:20:32.700 a few of them on there

00:20:33.480 but essentially

00:20:34.560 when I was on there

00:20:35.160 it's just me on there

00:20:36.340 and so I said

00:20:37.980 I'm on this isolation unit

00:20:39.680 for a civil offence

00:20:41.560 where

00:20:42.420 and for me

00:20:43.720 that's what I said

00:20:44.360 where I'm feeling

00:20:45.680 sorry for myself

00:20:46.300 I said this is just bullshit

00:20:47.460 for the whole world

00:20:49.120 to see

00:20:49.560 and it sends out

00:20:50.500 a bad

00:20:50.820 I think

00:20:51.620 a terrible image

00:20:52.440 of this country

00:20:53.120 that a journalist

00:20:54.200 can get locked up

00:20:54.940 and it's not just locked up

00:20:55.980 it's not like

00:20:56.580 prison's prison

00:20:57.520 I've been to prison

00:20:58.340 multiple times

00:20:59.720 as people know

00:21:00.320 and I've had

00:21:01.420 in 2014

00:21:02.240 even when I was

00:21:03.360 violently battered

00:21:04.740 I still had an alright sentence

00:21:06.520 I was on the wing

00:21:07.360 I was working

00:21:08.020 so people understand

00:21:09.320 what your prison system is

00:21:10.520 even the terrorists

00:21:11.600 so the terrorists

00:21:12.240 in Belmash

00:21:13.660 HMP Belmash

00:21:14.340 on the terrorist room

00:21:15.700 they get out there

00:21:16.760 so late in the morning

00:21:17.520 they then get locked up

00:21:18.420 at 12

00:21:18.780 they then get out at 2

00:21:20.040 and they're locked up

00:21:20.840 at 6

00:21:21.320 they're out all day

00:21:22.180 they can work

00:21:23.260 they can have education

00:21:24.100 they can play pool

00:21:24.860 they can play snooker

00:21:25.580 the prisoners

00:21:26.720 have football pitches

00:21:27.600 you have

00:21:28.540 all these things

00:21:29.540 that keep you occupied

00:21:30.220 and get you busy

00:21:30.740 so essentially

00:21:31.280 your day

00:21:31.800 is like you're at work

00:21:33.720 and then

00:21:34.500 you're locked up at night

00:21:35.560 basically

00:21:36.220 so that's why

00:21:36.960 I said to him

00:21:37.980 I said I'm a civil offender

00:21:39.000 I'm the least offence

00:21:40.040 in this whole entire prison

00:21:41.160 but I'm locked up

00:21:42.580 the most out of anyone

00:21:43.460 in this prison

00:21:44.120 it doesn't make any sense

00:21:45.160 but I'm not having a go

00:21:46.500 again

00:21:46.800 because I've stressed out

00:21:47.800 I'm not saying anything

00:21:49.140 about Belmash

00:21:49.740 because there's nothing else

00:21:51.080 that governor could have done

00:21:51.920 once in a while

00:21:52.360 that prison governor

00:21:53.460 was sent to you

00:21:54.460 so what could he do

00:21:56.300 but do what he did

00:21:57.540 I asked when I got in there

00:21:59.620 to be located in a

00:22:01.120 I didn't ask for isolation

00:22:02.340 again

00:22:02.900 so I didn't go in

00:22:04.280 and say I need protection

00:22:05.120 you need to isolate me

00:22:06.140 they didn't even ask

00:22:07.800 a question this time

00:22:08.600 it was straight

00:22:09.160 you're going on

00:22:10.040 but they said

00:22:11.180 so I said

00:22:12.000 why can't I be sent

00:22:12.740 to a decap prison 0.79

00:22:14.100 which is a casual prison

00:22:15.860 like a low risk

00:22:17.260 you go home

00:22:19.160 on weekends

00:22:19.580 you don't get locked up

00:22:21.600 in fact my offence

00:22:24.820 is a decap offence 0.98

00:22:26.360 so I said

00:22:27.460 how can I walk out

00:22:28.300 of maximum security jail

00:22:29.360 for contempt of court

00:22:31.760 in a maximum security jail

00:22:32.680 did you ever get an answer

00:22:33.440 to that?

00:22:34.200 nah

00:22:34.460 and then it's like

00:22:35.840 so I said

00:22:36.700 and then even

00:22:37.560 even the location

00:22:38.600 so if they'd have moved me

00:22:40.140 to exit a prison

00:22:40.860 I'd have been fine

00:22:42.680 because they just

00:22:43.960 moved me in prison

00:22:44.980 with low Muslim population

00:22:45.920 I'd be fine

00:22:46.400 you know this morning

00:22:47.800 when you came out

00:22:48.840 of prison

00:22:49.520 I think there was

00:22:51.080 only one other

00:22:51.820 group of journalists

00:22:52.900 there might have been

00:22:53.920 a second

00:22:54.360 but the Daily Mirror

00:22:55.460 was there

00:22:55.960 and

00:22:57.000 it was remarkable

00:23:00.220 to me

00:23:00.800 the reporter

00:23:03.300 from the Daily Mirror

00:23:04.200 was not just

00:23:05.480 I mean I like a reporter

00:23:06.940 that asks a tough question

00:23:08.140 that's the only

00:23:08.980 interesting kind

00:23:09.960 of reporter there is

00:23:10.780 but he wasn't

00:23:11.820 asking you a question

00:23:12.740 he was prosecuting you

00:23:14.920 he was

00:23:15.500 he was telling you

00:23:17.340 why you were wrong

00:23:18.740 and why the system

00:23:20.400 was wrong

00:23:20.740 but he doesn't

00:23:21.600 I mean he's not

00:23:23.480 well briefed in the facts

00:23:24.340 but that's fine

00:23:25.360 a lot of journalists

00:23:26.000 are ignorant

00:23:26.340 I was

00:23:26.940 maybe I shouldn't

00:23:28.680 be shocked anymore

00:23:29.500 but he was saying

00:23:30.420 no this is excellent

00:23:31.640 you specifically said

00:23:33.200 if this happened

00:23:33.880 in Russia or Venezuela

00:23:34.900 we'd be shocked

00:23:35.780 he said

00:23:36.440 no this is exactly

00:23:37.380 I couldn't believe

00:23:38.760 a journalist

00:23:39.460 was exuberant

00:23:42.160 about your censorship

00:23:43.380 in prison

00:23:43.880 they're not

00:23:44.100 he's not

00:23:45.200 they're activists

00:23:46.180 rather than journalists

00:23:47.820 but I haven't seen

00:23:48.680 one journalist

00:23:49.600 in the entire United Kingdom

00:23:50.900 other than a couple

00:23:51.800 of guys at Breitbart

00:23:52.640 not one

00:23:53.200 at the Telegraph

00:23:54.340 at the Times

00:23:55.780 at the Mirror

00:23:56.700 at the Mail

00:23:57.280 at the Sun

00:23:58.440 not one

00:23:59.140 well my frustrating thing

00:24:01.360 is you said

00:24:01.820 he was from the Mirror

00:24:02.400 the Mirror

00:24:02.780 whilst I was in prison

00:24:04.200 the Mirror

00:24:04.580 ran a story

00:24:05.260 which actually

00:24:06.560 the Governor

00:24:06.980 come in with Ross Kemp

00:24:08.100 with the newspaper

00:24:08.940 to say

00:24:09.900 and his front page

00:24:11.160 of the newspaper

00:24:11.660 and there was this

00:24:12.140 story put out

00:24:13.000 in the Daily Mirror

00:24:13.620 so the audacity

00:24:14.940 of that journalist

00:24:15.620 to come from the same paper

00:24:16.700 which absolutely

00:24:17.320 made up a story

00:24:18.160 they said that

00:24:19.200 you were knocked out

00:24:20.540 in one punch

00:24:21.320 by a 70 year old

00:24:22.720 pensioner

00:24:23.660 in the showers

00:24:24.960 I got that news

00:24:26.720 in Canada

00:24:27.200 it was front page

00:24:28.280 news in the Daily Express

00:24:30.460 I think the Mirror

00:24:31.080 picked it up

00:24:31.460 the Daily Star

00:24:31.940 the Mirror

00:24:32.360 the Radio

00:24:32.840 the Star

00:24:33.140 that's right

00:24:33.480 it was the Daily Star

00:24:34.140 and I thought to myself

00:24:35.920 and you were in

00:24:36.900 Communicato

00:24:37.340 I mean

00:24:37.880 I thought

00:24:38.620 that can't be right

00:24:40.040 but maybe it was

00:24:41.620 if it's on the front page

00:24:43.160 of the Star

00:24:43.700 front page

00:24:44.200 the upsetting thing

00:24:46.320 for me is

00:24:46.700 I ring home

00:24:47.540 and my kids

00:24:48.100 have been sent down

00:24:48.920 so my kids think

00:24:49.820 I'm being attacked

00:24:50.320 in jail

00:24:50.640 which isn't true

00:24:51.980 but the other thing

00:24:53.320 is that story

00:24:55.720 has gone out

00:24:56.320 they didn't even

00:24:57.820 ring the prison

00:24:58.440 it's completely

00:24:59.220 the purpose for that

00:25:01.040 if you read the story

00:25:02.060 there's two pages

00:25:02.900 in the paper as well

00:25:04.020 if you read that story

00:25:04.840 it paints an image

00:25:05.980 of who I am

00:25:06.520 it says that I come

00:25:07.540 into prison

00:25:07.940 thinking I'm the big man

00:25:08.860 yeah

00:25:09.080 they say you walk in

00:25:09.980 with a swagger

00:25:10.840 and I believe

00:25:11.500 it said I was

00:25:12.260 trying to intimidate

00:25:13.140 an old age pensioner

00:25:14.080 and then it said

00:25:15.040 so that is the image

00:25:17.160 that they're portraying

00:25:17.780 another story went out

00:25:18.700 whilst I was in there

00:25:19.320 saying I bought drugs

00:25:20.280 in the gym

00:25:20.880 and I was

00:25:23.300 I bought drugs

00:25:24.460 in the gym

00:25:24.880 and I was rushed to hospital

00:25:25.800 for taking the detergent

00:25:27.460 or something

00:25:27.880 and this was published

00:25:28.980 these are all published

00:25:29.760 yeah

00:25:30.000 and they're just

00:25:31.120 completely made up

00:25:31.820 you know

00:25:32.200 and obviously they had

00:25:33.280 they didn't even

00:25:34.800 pick up the phone

00:25:35.400 to check

00:25:35.840 no because I asked

00:25:36.600 the governor

00:25:37.020 he's like

00:25:38.320 because when he

00:25:38.760 bought the paper

00:25:39.280 and he goes

00:25:39.580 this isn't good

00:25:40.200 it's not good

00:25:40.840 for our jail

00:25:41.440 and I said

00:25:42.260 it's not going to do

00:25:43.640 me

00:25:43.880 I said what do you

00:25:44.640 I read one of these

00:25:45.700 a month

00:25:46.120 but

00:25:46.800 and I said

00:25:47.980 did they ring you

00:25:48.640 he goes

00:25:48.980 no they meant me

00:25:49.640 they didn't ring

00:25:50.380 I said oh

00:25:50.760 they meant me

00:25:51.260 and then he

00:25:52.280 so he said

00:25:53.040 because someone

00:25:53.480 one of my supporters

00:25:54.360 had gone into the reception

00:25:55.200 of the prison

00:25:55.740 that morning

00:25:56.280 when it come out

00:25:57.680 are saying

00:25:58.380 well there'll be

00:25:59.040 hundreds of us

00:25:59.920 coming back here

00:26:00.660 like

00:26:01.240 so he actually said

00:26:03.320 it puts my staff

00:26:04.440 in dangerous

00:26:05.080 well and it makes

00:26:06.100 the prison look like

00:26:06.960 a place with no discipline

00:26:08.160 and with random violence

00:26:09.680 do you know what

00:26:10.160 it was

00:26:10.420 maybe it is

00:26:11.200 but it wasn't

00:26:11.920 in these cases

00:26:12.620 oh well from what I saw

00:26:13.760 of it

00:26:14.020 it had complete discipline

00:26:15.640 and the governor

00:26:17.040 so in that first week

00:26:18.280 when I first come

00:26:19.040 into the jail

00:26:19.680 I thought 23 and a half

00:26:21.040 hour look up

00:26:21.600 everything's going to be

00:26:22.760 I'm not going to get

00:26:23.880 in the gym

00:26:24.380 so and there was a protest

00:26:25.900 outside obviously

00:26:26.640 planned

00:26:27.460 which I wanted

00:26:29.120 and then I know

00:26:31.200 that then people

00:26:32.060 some people on the outside

00:26:33.160 for the best intentions

00:26:34.720 I know Shazia Hobbs 0.96

00:26:35.620 was contacting my wife

00:26:37.160 and I'm on a prison phone

00:26:38.540 that's constantly monitored

00:26:39.460 so I can't say things

00:26:40.480 on the phone

00:26:40.920 I cannot be sitting

00:26:42.020 in a prison cell

00:26:42.680 on a phone

00:26:43.500 organising protests

00:26:44.700 or things outside

00:26:45.380 so I know there's a protest

00:26:46.960 happening

00:26:47.300 which I want to happen

00:26:49.000 because I wanted to be

00:26:50.420 in a position as such

00:26:51.420 to bargain with the governor

00:26:53.240 which the governor

00:26:54.160 then come and saw me

00:26:54.920 and said look

00:26:55.580 this is disruptive

00:26:56.340 to the jail

00:26:56.880 we can't have this

00:26:58.020 I said all I want

00:26:59.060 is my rights recognised

00:27:00.000 I'll make sure no one

00:27:01.160 comes near this prison

00:27:01.940 and I know

00:27:02.380 at the time

00:27:03.720 there was a lot of

00:27:04.860 suspicion

00:27:05.300 I know Shazia 1.00

00:27:06.320 Shazia for all 1.00

00:27:07.740 the right intentions

00:27:08.520 was thinking

00:27:09.620 that a protest

00:27:10.700 outside the jail

00:27:11.400 would upset

00:27:11.800 all the other inmates

00:27:12.500 which would be

00:27:12.940 problematic for me

00:27:13.820 but not knowing

00:27:14.780 that I know

00:27:15.240 that I'm inside the prison

00:27:16.260 and no one's

00:27:16.720 seeing me anyway

00:27:17.280 so there was

00:27:18.440 isn't that interesting

00:27:20.900 well

00:27:21.480 did you have

00:27:23.660 your rights respected

00:27:24.520 I remember

00:27:25.540 I think in my second

00:27:26.960 visit to you

00:27:27.620 you said you had not

00:27:28.920 received mail for a month

00:27:30.200 and I made a fuss

00:27:31.240 shortly thereafter

00:27:32.780 you got it

00:27:33.360 that upset me

00:27:34.580 that you didn't get

00:27:35.200 your mail

00:27:35.660 did you finally get

00:27:37.000 everything

00:27:37.260 I finally got my mail

00:27:38.080 so essentially

00:27:38.960 the number

00:27:40.580 I don't complain about

00:27:41.780 much

00:27:42.400 and once I saw

00:27:43.360 all I said to the governor

00:27:44.740 I just want to use the gym

00:27:46.540 just get me in the gym

00:27:47.820 and he did

00:27:48.980 on a Tuesday morning

00:27:50.220 and a Thursday morning

00:27:51.340 before the staff

00:27:52.720 started work

00:27:53.460 so some of the staff

00:27:54.200 would come in early

00:27:54.900 to walk me through

00:27:56.500 to the gym

00:27:56.980 to the actual gym

00:27:58.700 so I'd be in the gym

00:28:00.020 on my own

00:28:00.780 then just a little

00:28:03.120 so that's

00:28:04.200 half seven

00:28:04.860 they're meant to get you

00:28:05.440 so this is little things

00:28:06.820 that will just

00:28:07.240 absolutely

00:28:07.700 so the half seven

00:28:09.040 they're meant to get you

00:28:09.540 and then

00:28:09.900 so it might be a Thursday morning

00:28:12.240 and I'm sitting there

00:28:12.740 at half seven

00:28:13.260 thinking this is the only time

00:28:14.360 I'm getting off

00:28:14.800 of this thing anyway

00:28:15.940 so I don't want to

00:28:16.640 and they might not turn up

00:28:18.060 so there was about

00:28:18.680 four times

00:28:19.300 when they didn't turn up

00:28:20.300 which then

00:28:20.960 when they open the door

00:28:22.460 I want to kill someone

00:28:23.140 I just want to get in the gym

00:28:24.500 I remember in Onley

00:28:25.860 they cancelled

00:28:27.520 one of your lawyers meetings

00:28:28.640 and they

00:28:29.120 yeah this wasn't

00:28:30.260 there's nothing

00:28:30.900 I would say

00:28:31.660 there's nothing

00:28:32.040 even when you

00:28:32.740 people were late

00:28:33.640 I would say

00:28:34.380 in fact after meeting

00:28:35.660 the governor

00:28:36.140 they done everything

00:28:38.720 so nothing untoward

00:28:39.920 with regards

00:28:41.520 and my fine calls

00:28:42.360 with regards to the male

00:28:43.420 what they said is

00:28:45.980 your male's up here

00:28:47.060 and it has to be

00:28:49.000 it has to go through

00:28:50.180 counter-terrorism

00:28:51.120 I think that

00:28:51.620 counter-terrorism

00:28:52.260 could have a lot more

00:28:53.120 better time

00:28:53.680 if they stopped

00:28:54.440 looking at the letters

00:28:55.020 there's 23,000 jihadis

00:28:56.420 reading letters

00:28:57.220 from my mum

00:28:58.100 and my supporters

00:28:59.860 who were the average age

00:29:00.720 as a 60 year old female

00:29:01.880 and actually look at

00:29:03.960 some Islamic jihadis

00:29:04.980 but counter-terrorism

00:29:05.700 had to go through my mouth

00:29:06.460 so everything has to be censored

00:29:07.800 so that's what they said

00:29:09.640 but to be honest

00:29:10.540 once I made the point

00:29:12.000 and pushed the point

00:29:12.800 to the governor

00:29:13.300 instantly

00:29:13.800 he met

00:29:14.700 they were in on overtime

00:29:15.780 doing my mail

00:29:16.620 and I read

00:29:17.800 anyone who sent me a letter

00:29:19.720 I read every one of them

00:29:21.200 now

00:29:21.800 your first time

00:29:23.960 in Honley

00:29:24.360 you had I think

00:29:24.840 six big duffel bags

00:29:26.600 of mail

00:29:26.960 how many do you have

00:29:28.300 this time?

00:29:29.000 we'll check out

00:29:29.480 I think about 14

00:29:30.240 and I mean

00:29:31.880 for me

00:29:32.640 it's emotional

00:29:34.700 and fulfilling

00:29:35.240 to read

00:29:36.860 people's stories

00:29:38.080 of their difficulties

00:29:39.520 in supporting me

00:29:40.820 to read

00:29:42.520 their difficulties

00:29:43.080 at work

00:29:43.680 what is apparent

00:29:45.200 is that everyone

00:29:45.840 feels silenced

00:29:46.800 and

00:29:47.520 to read what

00:29:49.580 they've gone through

00:29:50.440 to show support

00:29:51.300 for me

00:29:51.640 and to read

00:29:52.740 how much they care

00:29:53.640 so I'm reading

00:29:54.200 all these stories

00:29:54.760 and to read

00:29:55.240 you know

00:29:56.540 in my campaign

00:29:57.260 in my MEP campaign

00:29:59.280 I was going

00:30:00.240 working class

00:30:01.080 to working class

00:30:01.660 to working class

00:30:02.380 judging by my mail

00:30:04.840 it's a very different

00:30:05.940 mix up

00:30:06.540 of support

00:30:07.340 and a lot of these

00:30:08.500 supporters

00:30:08.960 are supporters

00:30:09.600 that can't come out

00:30:11.000 they tell me

00:30:11.720 their work

00:30:12.160 their jobs

00:30:12.520 I feel like

00:30:13.420 there's so many people

00:30:14.940 I know

00:30:15.480 now

00:30:15.840 because some people

00:30:16.720 miss me daily

00:30:17.720 certain people

00:30:18.920 just

00:30:19.360 I know your whole life

00:30:21.060 I hope you enjoy

00:30:21.500 your dancing

00:30:21.980 so

00:30:22.880 I used to

00:30:23.560 but I

00:30:24.220 so

00:30:25.560 yeah

00:30:26.020 I'd spend my day

00:30:26.680 I'd spend five

00:30:27.260 I'd spend five hours a day

00:30:28.640 reading

00:30:29.280 I guess that keeps you company

00:30:30.260 if you don't have

00:30:31.300 human company

00:30:32.120 now

00:30:32.600 in Onley

00:30:33.500 you didn't have any

00:30:34.420 voices

00:30:35.040 other than the shouting

00:30:36.020 at you

00:30:36.400 because they didn't give you a TV

00:30:37.560 did you have a TV this time

00:30:38.820 I didn't give you a TV

00:30:39.380 all right

00:30:39.700 I didn't really

00:30:40.460 I turned the TV on

00:30:41.860 in the evening

00:30:42.400 if I watch it

00:30:43.120 because as I said

00:30:44.460 during the day

00:30:44.980 I think I've done an hour

00:30:46.380 on that bike every morning

00:30:47.400 well that's great

00:30:49.080 so you got those emails

00:30:50.120 from email and prisoner.com

00:30:51.540 those were coming through

00:30:52.300 yeah

00:30:52.560 and then I've got

00:30:53.100 so I've got

00:30:53.780 I'll show you after this

00:30:55.220 we'll have a quick look

00:30:55.880 the cards I've got

00:30:57.500 from all over the world

00:30:58.420 just

00:30:59.100 yeah

00:30:59.820 it was

00:31:00.060 it's amazing

00:31:01.580 do you know what I mean

00:31:02.160 and it was also quite

00:31:03.500 satisfying

00:31:04.600 to think

00:31:06.720 to read the stories

00:31:08.380 and many of them

00:31:09.460 would be from people

00:31:10.600 who only started following me

00:31:11.700 in the last 12 months

00:31:12.620 and many of them

00:31:13.800 would start saying

00:31:14.860 I'm a law abiding citizen

00:31:15.740 I never broke the law

00:31:16.600 I've always had trust

00:31:17.600 in our system

00:31:18.140 in judiciary

00:31:18.780 I cannot believe

00:31:19.940 what I've just witnessed

00:31:20.660 over the last 12 months

00:31:21.560 so in the sense

00:31:23.240 I think

00:31:23.720 if whatever your objective

00:31:25.040 was within this prison sentence

00:31:26.700 which I generally believe

00:31:27.940 each time is

00:31:28.560 would be to try

00:31:30.080 and just break me

00:31:31.120 is you're actually

00:31:33.020 waking more people up

00:31:34.780 you're enlightening

00:31:35.440 more people to

00:31:36.260 the corruption

00:31:36.900 of the media

00:31:37.440 the corruption

00:31:37.860 I'm actually

00:31:38.540 Boris Johnson

00:31:39.600 I'm quite happy to see

00:31:41.080 the same government

00:31:43.400 as

00:31:43.860 I actually like Boris Johnson

00:31:45.460 I think he's shown himself

00:31:46.400 as a very strong leader

00:31:47.200 but

00:31:47.420 Geoffrey Cox

00:31:48.540 the Attorney General

00:31:50.380 who's still an Attorney General

00:31:51.660 I think that government

00:31:52.500 now knows what it's like

00:31:53.340 when you get a politicised

00:31:54.180 decision from a court

00:31:55.060 you've got a politicised

00:31:57.520 decision from the court

00:31:58.200 of Scotland

00:31:58.580 and now you know

00:31:59.500 how it feels

00:32:00.000 because my decision

00:32:01.240 with the Old Bailey

00:32:01.660 was politicised

00:32:02.400 but

00:32:03.000 if anyone

00:32:03.980 you tried to prosecute me

00:32:06.640 I got out of jail

00:32:08.780 we went before

00:32:09.680 the head judge

00:32:10.220 of the Old Bailey

00:32:10.800 he kicked out

00:32:12.140 what they then done

00:32:13.040 is just replaced

00:32:13.720 the head judge

00:32:14.200 of the Old Bailey

00:32:14.640 and put me back in

00:32:15.440 well that's the thing

00:32:16.800 they'll keep trying

00:32:18.100 if they don't try this

00:32:18.980 they'll try that

00:32:19.680 I mean I read your book

00:32:21.160 Enemy of the State

00:32:22.620 and you know

00:32:23.900 the secret police

00:32:26.140 have a saying

00:32:26.740 show us the man

00:32:27.580 we'll find the crime

00:32:28.420 like if you investigate

00:32:29.500 a guy enough

00:32:30.460 you'll find something

00:32:31.820 on him

00:32:32.360 even if it's an

00:32:33.360 overdue library book

00:32:34.820 and I sense that

00:32:36.020 that's the approach

00:32:36.760 they're taking with you

00:32:37.560 to waste your money

00:32:39.560 to waste your time

00:32:40.920 to stress you out

00:32:42.160 to stress out your family

00:32:43.380 to fatigue your supporters

00:32:44.960 I think

00:32:46.200 that they are turning

00:32:47.480 the process

00:32:48.180 into the punishment

00:32:49.200 66 days in prison

00:32:50.680 is a punishment too

00:32:51.600 but that's actually

00:32:52.840 a lot shorter

00:32:53.640 I mean you've been

00:32:55.120 fighting this stupid

00:32:57.400 contemned court thing

00:32:58.300 for 16 months

00:32:59.200 yeah that's

00:33:00.160 so yeah

00:33:01.960 even when

00:33:02.560 I think when I was in there

00:33:03.620 because I was getting anxious

00:33:05.440 and worrying

00:33:05.980 about coming out

00:33:06.780 because I'm generally

00:33:07.780 thinking what next

00:33:08.860 what next

00:33:10.180 because

00:33:10.920 what's coming next

00:33:13.700 you know what I mean

00:33:14.660 and I don't know

00:33:15.220 and essentially

00:33:16.160 I don't know

00:33:16.540 if I was worrying more

00:33:17.360 because I'm on isolation

00:33:18.180 and that makes you worry

00:33:19.920 or

00:33:20.920 or because I'm getting older

00:33:22.460 but I was thinking

00:33:23.080 Jesus man

00:33:23.980 what is coming next

00:33:26.060 from their point

00:33:27.180 what are they

00:33:28.780 going to do next

00:33:29.520 well let me ask you this

00:33:30.460 and again

00:33:30.800 if this is something

00:33:32.040 confidential

00:33:32.580 just say so

00:33:33.280 and I'll move on

00:33:34.080 before you went in

00:33:35.860 on an American TV show

00:33:37.360 Infowars

00:33:37.940 you said you were

00:33:39.600 interested in asylum

00:33:41.020 in America

00:33:41.640 and that was an

00:33:42.800 interesting talking point

00:33:43.820 but my point of view

00:33:45.020 is if you're interested

00:33:45.880 in asylum

00:33:46.420 apply for asylum

00:33:48.680 you can say

00:33:50.060 as for pass

00:33:50.660 if you don't want to

00:33:51.540 I am 100% interested

00:33:53.620 in my wife and children

00:33:55.180 being safe

00:33:56.800 in a foreign country

00:33:59.080 in the United States

00:33:59.700 of America

00:34:00.080 I love it

00:34:00.740 with regards to myself

00:34:02.360 there's a fight

00:34:04.280 going on in this country

00:34:05.200 and I want to be part of it

00:34:06.020 I can't imagine you

00:34:06.940 in any

00:34:07.260 I mean taking Tommy

00:34:08.320 out of the UK

00:34:09.000 it's like taking

00:34:10.120 de Gaulle out of France

00:34:12.360 there's no such thing

00:34:13.880 as de Gaulle

00:34:14.280 outside of France

00:34:14.960 I don't even know

00:34:15.600 if you could exist

00:34:16.200 outside the UK

00:34:16.980 so again

00:34:18.920 times change

00:34:20.180 and things change

00:34:21.000 and my worry again

00:34:23.720 was when I was in jail

00:34:24.560 that something could happen

00:34:25.420 to the house

00:34:26.060 or something

00:34:26.440 I don't

00:34:26.820 you know

00:34:27.020 I mean when I'm not there

00:34:27.920 so all of those things

00:34:29.900 play in

00:34:30.560 just about

00:34:31.560 was it easier

00:34:32.360 on your family this time

00:34:33.360 because they had

00:34:33.800 the phone calls

00:34:34.340 and the visits

00:34:34.840 it was easier on them

00:34:36.500 and we know

00:34:38.180 we have the support

00:34:38.900 so yeah

00:34:40.720 my son

00:34:41.440 I said my son

00:34:42.320 handled it a lot better

00:34:43.080 my youngest

00:34:45.060 didn't as much

00:34:46.660 but

00:34:46.980 yeah

00:34:48.280 I think

00:34:49.200 because we knew

00:34:49.900 it was happening

00:34:50.320 and I think

00:34:50.840 I don't know

00:34:51.220 if it's because

00:34:51.780 because I'm in jail

00:34:53.200 and I know

00:34:53.600 so when I was in prison

00:34:54.500 last time

00:34:54.860 I felt fine

00:34:55.420 when I was walking out

00:34:57.040 I thought it looked great

00:34:57.700 and then everyone was like

00:34:59.080 Jesus Christ

00:34:59.820 probably would say

00:35:00.480 but then I realised

00:35:02.460 I wasn't right

00:35:03.140 from that time in jail

00:35:04.940 so then I don't

00:35:05.580 I was shocked

00:35:06.160 when I saw you

00:35:06.760 I couldn't

00:35:07.180 I was

00:35:07.660 I didn't even want to tell you

00:35:08.820 what you looked like

00:35:09.460 don't worry

00:35:10.520 some of my family did

00:35:11.960 so then I thought

00:35:14.320 so then this time

00:35:16.180 I think

00:35:16.380 I was conscious

00:35:16.860 on the back of my head

00:35:17.500 as well

00:35:17.760 because then I think

00:35:18.320 oh this is going to happen again

00:35:20.180 and I'm sat here again

00:35:20.920 and then when I get out again

00:35:22.180 I'll have all the same problems

00:35:23.040 I had last time

00:35:23.620 alright now

00:35:24.840 we got you out of prison

00:35:27.040 in the morning

00:35:27.820 had a quick stop by McDonald's

00:35:30.820 I've been watching

00:35:31.900 Double Corp Animal Advertising TV

00:35:33.400 I know that they stopped them

00:35:34.780 on the 24th of September

00:35:35.840 so I was thinking

00:35:37.240 got you a haircut

00:35:39.660 you went home

00:35:40.260 had a shower etc

00:35:41.180 your kids

00:35:42.420 let's check the time

00:35:43.180 your kids are almost out of school

00:35:44.500 so I want to let you go

00:35:45.420 but there are two questions

00:35:47.220 I have for you

00:35:47.880 before we go

00:35:48.540 and maybe these are just

00:35:50.320 of interest to me

00:35:51.280 but I think some of your viewers

00:35:52.340 want to know too

00:35:53.060 we have a new prime minister

00:35:54.780 in the UK

00:35:55.340 who's a little bit eccentric

00:35:58.560 in some ways

00:35:59.480 who's a little bit

00:36:00.540 he has shown himself

00:36:02.260 to be a free speecher

00:36:03.300 in the past

00:36:04.080 do you have

00:36:05.900 I remember once

00:36:08.080 you wrote a great column

00:36:08.940 in the paper

00:36:09.520 in defense of gutter journalism

00:36:11.940 he says

00:36:12.360 gutter journalism

00:36:13.440 keeps the gutters clean

00:36:15.320 I remember

00:36:16.020 he said

00:36:17.520 I don't care how nasty it is

00:36:19.340 free speech

00:36:20.240 I was impressed with that

00:36:21.380 I don't know if he's that way today

00:36:22.580 what's your feelings about

00:36:24.300 Boris Johnson's government

00:36:25.680 Nigel Farage's influence

00:36:27.300 do you have any hope

00:36:28.640 that the essential

00:36:29.960 systemic problems

00:36:30.920 in the UK

00:36:31.340 will be fixed

00:36:32.600 or not even

00:36:33.500 the opportunity is there

00:36:35.240 hugely for Boris Johnson

00:36:36.420 I think his cabinet as well

00:36:37.880 I think Preet Patel

00:36:38.540 was brilliant

00:36:39.000 watched her for years

00:36:40.220 she's home secretary

00:36:41.220 I think they're dealing

00:36:43.260 with the problems

00:36:43.800 caused

00:36:44.100 I think the clear out

00:36:45.500 of the 21

00:36:46.020 the purging of the

00:36:47.000 people who are

00:36:48.520 Remainers

00:36:49.100 who aren't actually

00:36:50.180 conservative

00:36:50.720 in their views

00:36:51.720 in many ways

00:36:52.700 I don't know

00:36:54.580 you can be hopeful

00:36:55.420 but

00:36:55.720 they're not going to let him

00:36:57.100 are they

00:36:57.360 so the battle

00:36:58.000 that's commencing

00:36:58.960 is Boris Johnson

00:37:00.060 eating educated

00:37:01.880 representing the people

00:37:03.600 there is a

00:37:04.940 I don't know

00:37:05.720 I think he needs a pact

00:37:06.800 or should do a pact

00:37:07.720 with Nigel Farage

00:37:08.580 so that the Brexit party

00:37:10.080 target Labour

00:37:10.840 heartlands

00:37:11.400 that simply

00:37:12.380 the Tories can't go in

00:37:13.600 and get the votes

00:37:14.220 they've got the mining towns

00:37:15.500 where there's such a

00:37:17.000 disillusion

00:37:17.500 or such a resentment

00:37:18.360 against what is

00:37:19.540 the Tory party

00:37:20.360 the Brexit party

00:37:21.680 can generally fill that

00:37:22.940 but I don't know

00:37:23.920 again Nigel Farage

00:37:24.960 I think threw a lot of people

00:37:25.680 under the bus

00:37:26.180 but he has put pressure

00:37:27.120 it was the European result

00:37:29.020 so mate

00:37:29.660 you have to look at

00:37:30.600 where it's gone

00:37:31.480 it was probably the right move

00:37:32.700 in everything he's done as well

00:37:33.840 even when he slammed us

00:37:34.920 it probably has been

00:37:35.680 the right move

00:37:36.340 to put pressure

00:37:37.400 the Tory party

00:37:38.740 and Boris Johnson

00:37:40.420 realising as he's coming in

00:37:41.600 if he doesn't deliver on Brexit

00:37:42.880 he knows the Tory party

00:37:43.860 finished

00:37:44.260 if he doesn't deliver

00:37:45.820 but people don't want

00:37:47.960 Theresa May's deal

00:37:48.920 get rid of the backstop

00:37:50.980 that's not Brexit

00:37:51.760 so time will tell

00:37:53.540 but essentially

00:37:54.860 all of these things

00:37:56.760 it's interesting times

00:37:57.760 it's interesting

00:37:58.780 last question

00:37:59.600 earlier you mentioned

00:38:01.460 your identity as a journalist

00:38:03.100 it's R.D. Jarvid as well

00:38:03.960 I thought he's been great

00:38:04.740 when I've been watching him

00:38:06.680 I like your phrase

00:38:07.980 that you're a journalist

00:38:08.640 whether the media likes it or not

00:38:09.960 and it's true

00:38:10.440 journalism is an activity

00:38:11.720 it's not

00:38:12.800 like a DNA test

00:38:14.760 not just a journalist

00:38:15.480 but what they hate

00:38:16.140 is I'm the most watched journalist

00:38:17.800 in their country

00:38:18.480 even today

00:38:19.760 all those tabloids

00:38:21.240 they were there

00:38:21.740 because you get clicks

00:38:22.940 they say they hate you

00:38:24.900 but they actually love

00:38:25.920 talking about you

00:38:27.760 but they disparage you

00:38:28.820 it's strange

00:38:29.680 it's like Trump in a way

00:38:30.860 it's um

00:38:32.120 and the lies man

00:38:33.780 so essentially

00:38:34.660 I've got plans

00:38:35.540 I've got plans

00:38:36.200 I'm just going to

00:38:37.000 take my time

00:38:37.880 but I have got lots of plans

00:38:38.920 for documentaries

00:38:39.480 I want to make

00:38:40.040 and ideas I've had

00:38:41.000 whilst even sat in there

00:38:42.020 things I've been working on

00:38:43.560 with regards to confronting

00:38:46.100 their lives

00:38:46.640 can you give us some hints

00:38:49.140 I know you're talking about

00:38:51.140 the rape of Britain 0.72

00:38:51.520 so with the rape of Britain

00:38:52.620 just to get a few things

00:38:54.220 clear as well

00:38:55.200 before I went to prison

00:38:56.420 I showed a promo

00:38:57.780 for a documentary

00:38:58.440 called Shallow

00:38:59.120 Jesus Christ

00:39:00.800 the usual

00:39:01.480 the usual

00:39:02.320 the usual

00:39:03.620 old school BNP types

00:39:05.600 the usual people

00:39:06.580 who want to use

00:39:07.280 an excuse to attack

00:39:08.320 and I'm a Zionist

00:39:09.360 those usual

00:39:11.260 people

00:39:12.240 leapt on it

00:39:13.120 now

00:39:13.400 I was

00:39:14.800 I knew I was going to jail

00:39:16.000 I knew I was coming back to prison

00:39:17.620 I want to start working

00:39:19.400 on the rape of Britain

00:39:20.420 I want to do this

00:39:21.180 we've laid the foundations

00:39:23.220 but I want to

00:39:23.820 I also don't want to mess about

00:39:25.720 when I sit down

00:39:26.580 when I go to those cities

00:39:27.660 and start getting those young victims

00:39:29.000 to tell their stories

00:39:29.780 or their families

00:39:30.360 I know the consequence

00:39:31.100 that's going to bring

00:39:31.780 from Muslim gangs 1.00

00:39:32.680 and from the police

00:39:33.700 trying to shut it down

00:39:34.500 now if

00:39:35.180 so I know I'm going to jail

00:39:36.360 if I'd have gone up

00:39:36.880 and started those things

00:39:37.880 and then got sent to jail

00:39:38.980 for a year or two years

00:39:39.800 which I'm expecting

00:39:40.440 and leave those people in limbo

00:39:42.340 when I go and start that documentary

00:39:44.060 I will move into that city

00:39:45.140 for four weeks

00:39:45.720 and I will get every single

00:39:46.780 film on camera

00:39:47.360 so before I'm going to jail

00:39:48.580 I thought

00:39:48.800 I'm not going to disappear

00:39:50.080 and live in a different town

00:39:51.000 for four weeks

00:39:51.640 I'm going to be with my wife

00:39:52.760 and kids before I go to jail

00:39:53.620 I got told

00:39:54.960 as I told you

00:39:55.580 that my case would be adjourned

00:39:57.000 for pre-sentence reports

00:39:57.920 I had a six to eight week gap

00:40:00.120 where I thought

00:40:00.800 alright

00:40:01.280 I can fit in Shalom 0.90

00:40:02.420 Shalom was the documentary

00:40:04.180 which we tried to work

00:40:05.180 we were all trying to tell

00:40:06.760 but Kalim was

00:40:07.880 we had the fallout

00:40:09.540 with Kalim in that

00:40:10.220 they had

00:40:11.240 they had rights signed by

00:40:14.040 so people know

00:40:15.160 Yisrael Shalom

00:40:15.940 people think it's about Israel

00:40:17.580 and it's about

00:40:18.340 and the word Shalom

00:40:19.500 Yisrael Shalom

00:40:20.520 is the gentleman's name

00:40:21.600 he was a bloke

00:40:22.420 who had become a friend of mine

00:40:23.360 who was persecuted to death

00:40:24.440 I'm telling his story

00:40:25.800 so rather than just

00:40:27.860 sit at home for eight weeks

00:40:28.780 before going to prison

00:40:30.280 I thought

00:40:30.580 I can fit in

00:40:31.300 whilst seeing my family

00:40:32.740 I can fit in this documentary

00:40:33.840 so my idea was

00:40:34.620 to fit in this documentary

00:40:35.560 which we didn't get to fit in

00:40:36.660 because they sent me

00:40:37.160 straight to jail

00:40:37.680 and then

00:40:38.600 the rape of Britain 0.72

00:40:39.840 so even now

00:40:40.580 the rape of Britain 0.72

00:40:41.940 is going to be a risky documentary

00:40:42.940 to tell and show

00:40:44.040 because

00:40:44.420 I'm going to find

00:40:46.040 the groomers

00:40:47.220 I know who some of them are already

00:40:48.760 I know their businesses

00:40:49.520 I'm going to walk into their businesses

00:40:51.160 these sort of things

00:40:52.300 are going to cause destruction

00:40:53.500 probably attacks against me

00:40:54.900 so essentially now

00:40:56.200 and I need to move to the towns and cities

00:40:58.100 I'm coming out of jail now

00:40:59.300 I'm not about to move next week

00:41:00.780 to another town and city

00:41:01.500 and be away from my family

00:41:02.260 for weeks on end

00:41:02.920 so I'm going to put in my time period

00:41:04.800 for starting that documentary

00:41:05.800 I'm going to give myself

00:41:06.920 a little bit of time

00:41:07.580 that and I've got another documentary

00:41:10.360 which I can work on easily as well

00:41:12.580 but that's what I want to do

00:41:14.220 is just tell

00:41:14.800 tell the stories

00:41:16.280 that people aren't telling

00:41:17.060 uncover and embarrass

00:41:18.420 the people who deserve embarrassing

00:41:19.940 the people sitting

00:41:22.160 enjoying their pensions

00:41:23.100 who turned a blind eye

00:41:25.000 in a lab

00:41:25.380 the rape of our children

00:41:26.240 I think everyone in the country

00:41:27.420 needs to know their faces

00:41:28.340 they need to confront them

00:41:30.360 and when I say confront them

00:41:31.400 confront them with a camera

00:41:32.220 they need to be

00:41:32.940 putting the limelight

00:41:33.740 spotlight

00:41:34.040 I need to be on them

00:41:34.620 for a little while

00:41:35.100 that's what I want to do

00:41:37.420 that's what I'm going to do

00:41:38.560 but I just

00:41:39.340 essentially I need to

00:41:40.180 plan what I do

00:41:41.440 in my time

00:41:42.060 but that's

00:41:43.740 so yeah

00:41:44.280 well Tommy

00:41:45.600 your kids are almost

00:41:47.440 out of school

00:41:47.960 so I'll wrap up

00:41:48.940 but I recall

00:41:49.620 that it was exactly

00:41:50.780 in the same pub

00:41:51.820 that you and I met

00:41:53.080 and chatted

00:41:53.640 when you were released

00:41:54.780 out of Onley

00:41:55.500 the horrible prison

00:41:58.020 in which you were tortured

00:41:58.860 and I must say

00:42:00.040 that physically

00:42:00.860 psychologically

00:42:01.860 mentally

00:42:03.660 emotionally

00:42:04.180 you were so much better

00:42:05.600 now than

00:42:06.520 you were shell-shocked

00:42:07.540 back then

00:42:07.940 it was like a

00:42:08.620 it was like a detonation

00:42:10.560 went off next to your hand

00:42:11.280 I wasn't

00:42:11.720 I wasn't expecting

00:42:13.960 to get released

00:42:14.620 when I got released

00:42:15.400 right

00:42:15.740 so I wasn't expecting

00:42:16.700 to get released

00:42:17.220 this time as well

00:42:18.220 even this morning

00:42:18.800 I was quite emotional

00:42:19.460 this morning

00:42:19.900 but that's from being

00:42:21.160 looked up

00:42:21.540 it's not normal

00:42:23.040 so yeah

00:42:25.360 and even though

00:42:26.540 I wasn't excited

00:42:27.620 about getting out

00:42:28.200 which I should be sure

00:42:29.280 isn't that interesting

00:42:30.220 well Tommy

00:42:30.680 I want to let you know

00:42:31.560 because

00:42:32.000 it sounds like

00:42:33.500 you got a lot of mail

00:42:34.460 but we get an enormous

00:42:36.080 amount of email

00:42:36.880 and comments

00:42:37.760 on Twitter

00:42:38.420 and YouTube

00:42:38.920 and Facebook

00:42:39.580 and

00:42:40.720 I think you know it

00:42:42.400 but I'll just tell you

00:42:43.100 anyways

00:42:43.420 there are people

00:42:44.020 not just in the United Kingdom

00:42:45.160 but around the world

00:42:46.080 who follow your story

00:42:48.040 they feel like they have

00:42:49.540 a personal friendship

00:42:50.480 with you

00:42:51.100 and some of them do

00:42:52.260 it's not just more

00:42:52.940 journey

00:42:53.200 it's there

00:42:53.560 well and the issues

00:42:54.960 you talk about

00:42:55.720 are

00:42:57.000 so

00:42:58.540 they ring a bell

00:42:59.940 for so many people

00:43:01.020 and so a lot of people

00:43:02.300 I know if they could

00:43:03.640 speak through me here

00:43:04.520 they would say

00:43:04.980 please keep it up

00:43:05.960 please be smart

00:43:07.160 please be careful

00:43:08.600 please make good choices

00:43:09.700 but please keep fighting

00:43:11.520 because as I've said before

00:43:13.100 I believe that you're

00:43:13.960 the last lion

00:43:14.840 and

00:43:15.800 if they stop you

00:43:17.240 well then

00:43:18.100 who else could there

00:43:18.960 possibly be

00:43:19.640 so you've got to

00:43:20.300 keep doing it

00:43:20.940 keep doing it

00:43:22.220 again I was asked

00:43:23.040 that this morning

00:43:23.580 will you be back

00:43:24.800 because there's a documentary

00:43:26.060 being filmed

00:43:26.540 in Belmarsh Prison

00:43:27.360 will you be back

00:43:28.900 back in prison

00:43:29.780 is what they meant

00:43:30.260 will you be back

00:43:31.120 well let's do our best

00:43:32.140 to let that matter

00:43:32.820 let's do our best

00:43:33.920 I said the same answer

00:43:34.860 to him is

00:43:35.360 the minute you start

00:43:35.980 worrying about consequences

00:43:36.940 the minute you stop

00:43:37.580 doing what you do

00:43:38.160 now I'm going to

00:43:38.940 continue to do what I do

00:43:39.840 I don't intend to

00:43:40.400 break any doors

00:43:40.880 I'm not going to

00:43:41.300 break any doors

00:43:41.820 I will defend myself

00:43:43.200 I need to defend myself

00:43:43.980 at times

00:43:44.340 but

00:43:45.480 it's like

00:43:46.800 they

00:43:47.440 I'm going to continue

00:43:48.700 doing the work I do

00:43:49.480 I've seen how much

00:43:50.100 that's upset

00:43:50.540 and angered them already

00:43:51.380 so yeah

00:43:53.140 if I

00:43:54.160 I'll just say

00:43:54.760 I'm going to

00:43:56.120 people get a video

00:43:56.960 for me

00:43:57.400 in the next week

00:43:58.700 talking about

00:44:00.720 my experience as well

00:44:01.780 and about how grateful

00:44:02.380 I am

00:44:02.640 but to everyone

00:44:03.060 who wrote to me

00:44:03.580 everyone emailed to me

00:44:04.240 all the people

00:44:04.900 who spent their money

00:44:05.520 travelling

00:44:05.920 some of the distances

00:44:06.720 I'm reading your mails

00:44:07.580 I'm reading the mails

00:44:08.300 to some people

00:44:08.820 and they're telling me

00:44:09.260 the times they're getting

00:44:09.860 on mega buses

00:44:10.420 and their transport down

00:44:11.800 on their own

00:44:12.340 against their family's wishes

00:44:13.940 and then I'm reading

00:44:15.260 the full stories

00:44:16.100 and it was such

00:44:17.720 as I say

00:44:18.520 fulfilling

00:44:18.960 heartwarming

00:44:20.000 to read their journeys

00:44:21.620 that they've gone on

00:44:22.480 themselves

00:44:22.900 from being here

00:44:23.840 to waking up

00:44:24.640 to questioning

00:44:25.300 to falling out

00:44:26.400 with family

00:44:26.900 and I say the same thing

00:44:28.860 to all of them

00:44:29.400 I've been through

00:44:31.040 that same experience

00:44:32.060 and all the people

00:44:33.300 who have turned against you

00:44:34.380 or your friends

00:44:34.840 that might be disagreeing

00:44:35.760 with you

00:44:36.020 and not understanding

00:44:36.880 there will come a time

00:44:37.660 when they understand

00:44:38.260 and then they'll realise

00:44:39.900 that they're wrong

00:44:40.620 and you'll see

00:44:41.500 the same as I've seen

00:44:42.840 so yeah

00:44:43.260 I'm grateful

00:44:43.860 and as I said

00:44:44.500 I'm grateful to everyone

00:44:46.160 for the support

00:44:46.680 right on

00:44:47.420 well folks

00:44:48.420 I thank you for joining us

00:44:49.780 today

00:44:50.320 and I want to say

00:44:51.800 thanks to the folks

00:44:52.540 who have chipped in

00:44:53.780 for the crowdfunding

00:44:54.800 this is my third trip

00:44:56.880 over during the period

00:44:58.480 of your season

00:44:58.780 I want you air miles

00:44:59.560 yeah

00:44:59.760 that's right

00:45:00.840 and Jessica

00:45:02.140 the young reporter

00:45:03.020 who visited you

00:45:04.540 with a chaperone

00:45:05.420 I might add

00:45:06.080 because of the gossips

00:45:07.100 out there

00:45:07.400 we've set that straight

00:45:08.380 and I'm glad we did

00:45:09.600 because you say

00:45:11.400 that prison was exemplary

00:45:12.520 and I take your word for it

00:45:13.460 I said this morning

00:45:14.160 because they've done

00:45:14.860 this documentary

00:45:15.500 and they've finished

00:45:16.080 filming today

00:45:16.620 and I said

00:45:18.040 would I have been treated

00:45:20.200 fair

00:45:21.060 if your cameras weren't here

00:45:22.820 but then if I'm honest

00:45:25.140 I said that might be

00:45:25.880 a bit unfair

00:45:26.320 because after meeting

00:45:27.180 Rob Davis

00:45:28.260 who's the governor

00:45:29.160 and when I say meeting

00:45:30.280 in this unit

00:45:31.760 that I'm on

00:45:32.260 every single day

00:45:33.520 someone has to come

00:45:34.560 from healthcare

00:45:35.360 someone has to come

00:45:36.600 because you're in isolation

00:45:37.380 someone has to come

00:45:38.280 a governor has to come

00:45:39.320 whether it be duty governor

00:45:40.520 but they have to come

00:45:41.200 and say

00:45:41.440 are you okay

00:45:42.120 yeah

00:45:42.760 now I'd say that

00:45:44.500 it'd be unfair

00:45:45.580 saying that

00:45:46.060 I think that

00:45:46.440 after meeting him

00:45:47.560 no matter what

00:45:48.160 he'd have treated me

00:45:48.720 in the same way

00:45:49.180 I've been treated

00:45:49.660 he's a completely

00:45:50.220 fair bloke

00:45:50.720 and he's doing a good job

00:45:51.400 and a difficult job

00:45:52.080 and

00:45:52.780 well I hope so

00:45:54.400 but I agree with your

00:45:55.960 assessable

00:45:56.800 we'll never know

00:45:57.440 you wouldn't know

00:45:58.660 but this is the first time

00:45:59.920 this is the first time

00:46:00.780 they've treated me

00:46:01.320 first time I've been

00:46:02.260 taken to the gym

00:46:02.840 first time

00:46:03.680 I think that

00:46:04.420 this other British journalist

00:46:05.680 him being there

00:46:06.720 was important

00:46:07.300 I think

00:46:08.200 the four rebel visits

00:46:09.840 we'll never know

00:46:10.980 what it would have been like

00:46:11.800 and I enjoyed visiting you

00:46:14.080 no

00:46:14.380 well it got me

00:46:15.300 I said

00:46:16.100 so my day

00:46:16.840 my day is 11.15

00:46:18.340 locked up

00:46:18.960 yeah

00:46:19.140 and then until the next morning

00:46:21.020 at 9 o'clock

00:46:21.620 that's a long day

00:46:22.700 it's a long day

00:46:23.500 no matter what

00:46:24.080 it's a long day

00:46:24.980 so

00:46:25.720 I said

00:46:26.300 on that shit blue map

00:46:28.120 you see them

00:46:28.600 I said blue map

00:46:29.740 so I was about 22 hours a day

00:46:31.240 sitting on that map

00:46:31.940 but

00:46:32.660 so when you come

00:46:33.860 when you have a visit

00:46:35.040 when I have a visit

00:46:35.620 at 2 o'clock

00:46:36.280 that's completely

00:46:37.100 it weren't like a day

00:46:38.340 it weren't

00:46:38.920 for me that day's done

00:46:39.980 because then I think

00:46:40.740 they lock the door up

00:46:41.500 at 4 past 11

00:46:42.160 they're opening it again

00:46:43.200 at 2 o'clock

00:46:43.720 then they bang it back up

00:46:44.640 at 4

00:46:45.000 and then Francis on

00:46:46.420 we had a range of visitors

00:46:47.580 I was glad to be one

00:46:48.600 and

00:46:48.980 and in one of my visits

00:46:50.340 it was

00:46:50.660 your old friends

00:46:51.600 from way back in the day

00:46:52.520 and to see you just banter

00:46:53.900 and have that laugh

00:46:55.160 it took you

00:46:55.840 it probably took you

00:46:56.580 half an hour

00:46:57.000 just to get into

00:46:57.980 the conversational groove again

00:47:00.100 because you can't live

00:47:01.180 in silence

00:47:01.780 and then just become

00:47:02.640 social immediately

00:47:03.460 I was

00:47:04.200 that's what made me

00:47:05.080 the happiest

00:47:05.580 is it took like

00:47:06.720 a half hour

00:47:07.420 an hour for you

00:47:07.980 to normalize again

00:47:09.540 but

00:47:09.740 and the jokes

00:47:11.060 which is you know

00:47:11.800 the tiring of that

00:47:12.560 when my kids come in

00:47:13.920 I felt exhausted

00:47:15.280 after a visit

00:47:15.800 because I want them

00:47:16.420 to see me in the best

00:47:17.520 like that nothing's

00:47:18.480 going wrong

00:47:18.980 yeah so

00:47:20.100 but yeah

00:47:21.160 my mates I said

00:47:22.220 I don't know

00:47:23.040 if I said that

00:47:23.380 I was going to buy

00:47:24.900 the Muslim gown

00:47:25.700 I was going to do it

00:47:26.640 I knew yeah

00:47:27.040 and come walking

00:47:27.820 into a visit

00:47:28.380 I was going to do it

00:47:30.740 coming out of jail

00:47:31.300 because you can buy

00:47:32.280 22 pound it was

00:47:33.100 in the canteen

00:47:33.560 oh that's so funny

00:47:34.320 well Tommy

00:47:34.720 let's let you get back

00:47:35.620 to your kids folks

00:47:36.340 thanks

00:47:36.640 thanks for watching

00:47:37.440 if you want to chip

00:47:38.080 into the crowdfunding

00:47:38.760 go to prisonreports.com

00:47:40.100 I'll be back in the UK

00:47:42.060 Tommy has another trial

00:47:43.640 I don't think it's a secret

00:47:45.580 I think I can mention

00:47:46.180 no it's not a secret

00:47:46.740 I was going to do

00:47:47.640 a video update

00:47:48.340 and everyone on lots of stuff

00:47:49.400 because I've got

00:47:49.960 three more core dates

00:47:51.420 in the next eight weeks

00:47:52.680 wow I know only

00:47:54.100 about one of them

00:47:54.640 I'll be there

00:47:55.000 for the football trial

00:47:57.240 where they're trying

00:47:57.680 to ban you

00:47:58.560 from football

00:47:59.260 that's in October

00:48:00.120 October yeah

00:48:00.900 so you can tell me

00:48:01.940 about the others

00:48:02.480 you know what the

00:48:03.360 Daily Mirror

00:48:03.720 Janet said

00:48:04.340 earlier online

00:48:05.620 oh is it the old baby

00:48:06.540 because I'm high profile

00:48:07.160 yeah

00:48:07.700 no I'm at Lumencourt

00:48:09.700 yeah

00:48:10.120 that Daily Mirror

00:48:12.840 interaction was

00:48:13.620 as weird as yet

00:48:14.240 let's get you out of here 1.00

00:48:15.300 my friend

00:48:15.780 thanks

00:48:16.180 all right

00:48:16.640 from all of us here

00:48:18.320 at the Rebel

00:48:18.640 to you at home

00:48:19.400 goodbye

00:48:20.500 keep fighting for freedom

Rebel News Podcast - September 14, 2019

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW： Tommy Robinson has been released from prison!

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