EZRA LEVANT ｜ 17-year-old citizen journalist 'Young Bob' arrested for speaking his mind
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Summary
Rebel News fights for freedom of speech around the world, and we're here to fight for it in every corner of the globe. This week, I was invited to give a keynote at the Western Standard in Canada, and then I went to London, England for a 12-hour stint covering the Tommy Robinson rally.
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Tonight, Rebel News fights for freedom of speech around the world.
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It's September 29th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
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Hi everybody, I'm at our world headquarters in a bunker in the greater Toronto area.
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I was invited as a guest speaker to address the Western Standard.
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As you may know, more than a decade ago, about 15 years ago or so,
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I ran a print magazine called Western Standard, which was Western Canadian-focused.
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It was printed on paper and delivered by Canada Post.
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So needless to say, that went the way of the dodo bird.
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But it was a wonderful project I was involved with.
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And anyways, a few years ago, about five years ago now,
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Derek Fildebrandt, the former politician and conservative activist,
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revived that newspaper, that magazine, with the same name, Western Standard.
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It's sort of in the mold of the old Western Standard.
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And before that, if you remember, Alberta Report, run by Ted Byfield,
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I was very flattered, actually, to be invited and saw some old friends there.
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And I think that Ted Byfield would be really proud of what they've achieved.
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And I was sort of, you know, excited to be invited and treated so nicely,
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I feel like we're actually allies in a fight against the regime.
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They have their own version of the, you know, the Oscars.
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So they had their own awards for best video, best news story.
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And then I went to London, England for 12 hours.
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And I know that sounds crazy, and it was crazy, but I was basically there and back on Sunday
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because I care about the UK for the reasons you've heard me explain many times before.
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And I'm excited that the UK has something called the Free Speech Union,
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which is a very strong and growing activist NGO, I guess would be the phrase,
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that if someone is fired from their job or deplatformed in some way because of their freedom of speech,
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the Free Speech Union has a bunch of lawyers and they go straight to work.
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But just like in Canada, where we have good civil liberties groups like the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom or the CCF,
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there's a handful of them, not just the Democracy Fund.
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And maybe the particular strategy of a particular civil liberties group doesn't include a certain case.
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I love the street journalism, citizen journalism beat in the UK.
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Of course, we sort of do some of that over there.
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And Tommy Robinson, our friend, started with us as a citizen journalist.
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As I mentioned to you when I covered Tommy Robinson's big rally on September 13th,
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one of the most palpable changes from early Tommy Robinson events that I've attended
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is the absolute blooming and flowering of so many new citizen journalists.
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I didn't even know all of them, which is a great thing.
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It's sort of sad if I know all the usual five people are here.
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Others are, you know, Lone Rangers kind of thing.
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That was one of the most exciting things about Tommy's rally, not just the speeches.
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And I was delighted to be invited to give a speech, as you know.
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But it really meant that when Tommy Robinson says, we are the media now, and I say that
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Like, it's one thing to say that if you have just a handful of citizen journalists.
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But if you've got 50, and amongst them, my estimate is there's 1 billion people viewed
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And that was despite the regime media, not because of it.
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So anyways, back to what I was doing in London for 12 hours.
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One such citizen journalist, he's just 17 years old.
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His real name is Thomas Muffet, but he goes by the pen name Young Bob, and he is young.
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I guess if I look at him, he has a youthful face, but he's tall.
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And I guess the most impressive thing is he carries himself with a wisdom and maturity
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I remember when I was 17, and there's no way I had my act together like he does.
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But what happens when the law decides to pick you up, arrest you, and hold you overnight
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in jail because they don't like your journalism?
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As you know, in the United Kingdom, every single day, there are 30 people in the UK arrested
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Before I get to the case of Young Bob, here's another citizen journalist from Northern England
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who was visited at 10 p.m. at night by police because he retweeted a meme.
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So this isn't Young Bob what I'm about to show you.
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It's just another citizen journalist in the same week.
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Basically, section 19 refers to spreading what we say like racial hatred.
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So you've posted something online that we believe is spreading racial hatred.
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Because I appreciate you've never been arrested before, have you?
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Basically, how it works now is then, obviously, if you've got stuff you'd like to gather,
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obviously, I'm more than willing to talk through what you're able to take with you.
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Yes, so you're around arrest, so you're going to Harrogate, unfortunately.
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You're taking me to Harrogate in the middle of the night over a tweet?
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So if there's stuff you'd like to gather, I'm more than willing to allow you to gather some
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sort of stuff, like medication, if you've got any numbers you need.
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You do understand that I'm going to make the maximum fuss about this free speech union.
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You guys are just doing your jobs, obviously, but your bosses have just opened up a world
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Trust me, if I didn't have to be here, I wouldn't have been, but I'm happy to give you...
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I'm quite certain you two have got, like, 50 better things to do.
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Why are the police raiding his house at 10pm at night?
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It's designed to shock and awe and intimidate and dissuade and deter.
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I remember once police raided Tommy Robbins' personal home at 4.30am.
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They did that precisely to irritate his family, stress out his family, cause his kids to cry,
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But it's one thing when you do that to a grown man.
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I mean, there's a reason why 18-year-olds aren't old enough to vote, aren't in most jurisdictions
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And so to take young Bob off the street with sketchy reasons and throw him in jail and hold
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him in jail overnight, it's obvious why they're doing it.
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They're trying to smash his confidence and stop a budding career as a citizen journalist.
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So if you'd like to leave, that'd be wonderful.
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So it looks like they're going around and arresting people.
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We're not going to encroach on what's happening.
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and then that's the dispersal in place currently uh young bob has been arrested under section 14
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uh of the dispersal act context there i was arrested for section 14 of the public order act
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i attempted to leave through booking uber and i was not part of an assembly or protest i was booked
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in for 24 hours midway through the night i was woken up and they gave me even more bullshit charges
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citing videos that i've done in the past and my bail ends at the 30th of october i'm not allowed
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in epping and there's a few others i can't really go into detail now all i'm gonna say is legally
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speaking i am fucked i don't know what to do in terms of legal representation if it wasn't for
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the fact i was able to crack a laugh in the prison cell i would have gone insane and yeah the
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footage i clearly show you is firstly i left secondly i wasn't protesting and thirdly if you
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were being charitable i was obviously going to leave within that six minutes so i don't know
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why the police have such an urge to arrest me it seems quite loaded and for me i don't think you
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should just like waffle public order charges on a 17 year old if you want to make an example of
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someone do it so when the essex police do get flack it's not even more flack because you're
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doing it to someone underage well i saw that and i reached out to him online because i thought you
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know what what 17 year old has a lawyer on standby i i sure didn't when i was 17 and i i don't know what
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i would have done had i been arrested when i was 17 so i reached out to young bob and by the way we
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confirmed all this with his mother so i want to make sure you know that when i'm dealing with a
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minor who's technically legally a child i'm making sure that i interact with their guardian
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so we contacted his mom to make sure that they were fine with us helping him out and they were
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um so i flew over there just to have lunch with young bob and we've got some young freelance
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journalists we're working out there now too and just to hear a little bit more about who he was and to
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check him out a bit and i tell you one thing he checks out he's very passionate he's motivated in
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part by his christian beliefs he's a mild-mannered guy who's got some strong opinions it's true
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but he's very law-abiding and this is the first interaction he's ever had with police
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and i said young bob let's put together a project where we crowdfund for you and i already know some
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lawyers in the uk as you know because we have in the past crowdfunded for tommy robinson and believe me
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we've had a lot of lawyers help with those projects over the years so i connected young
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bob with tana adelman who is one of tommy's longest standing lawyers so they had a good heart to heart
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and obviously i'm not going to tell you any confidences or privileged information but i'm
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just mentioning that to you to know that we've got a good lawyer who's experienced and sympathetic
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to citizen journalists because tana has done that for tommy for years um they had a good heart to
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heart i met with young bob and here is the video we put together standing on westminster bridge
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just a few feet away maybe 10 yards away from parliament itself here take a look
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ezra levant here as you can see i am back in jolly old england the parliament buildings behind us but
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i'm not feeling in a jolly mood because the united kingdom has a massive censorship campaign and i'm not
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just talking about de-platforming people kicking them off of social media i'm talking about arresting
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them according to the times of london a prestigious newspaper 30 people are arrested by police every
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single day for what they write on social media and i'm standing next to thomas moffett aka young bob
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that's his social media name he's 17 years old and he was arrested just over a week ago here's video
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of the police arresting him take a look at my uber see that at six down to the bus stop for me i'd say
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what for section 14 mate you've been seen protesting you've refused to leave the area
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so quick context there i was arrested for section 14 of the public order act i attempted to leave
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through booking uber and i was not part of an assembly or protest i was booked in for 24 hours
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midway through the night i was woken up and they gave me even more bullshit charges citing videos that
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i've done in the past and my bail ends at the 30th of october i'm not allowed in epping and there's a
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few others that i can't really go into detail now all i'm going to say is legally speaking i am
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i don't know what to do in terms of legal representation
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well when i saw that i thought i don't think this 17 year old has the resources to fight back what 17
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year old has a lawyer and knows how to push back so i reached out to young bob and uh we're meeting
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here today to talk about a crowdfunding campaign to protect him and to fight back great to meet you
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i know your fans call you young bob your real name is thomas moffett it's nice to see you in person
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i appreciate the support as well i think optically for essex police especially it's not great to arrest
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the 17 year old off the most offense of trying to book a cab and you accuse me of being in an area
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which doesn't have a section and the area that is sectioned i wasn't in i wasn't part of an assembly
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or protest they're trying to control your civil liberties by introducing arbitrarily defined
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uh sections which control where and how you protest and when i was trying to leave i very
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obviously had it uber booked now those are some technical terms you're using sections and police
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can order you to leave and things like that but if you strip away some of that legal lingo that jargon
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really they didn't like the fact that you were a citizen journalist you've been attending a lot of
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these protests against the migrant hotels the police don't like the fact that hundreds of thousands
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even millions of people are seeing your work and they thought what can we do and in the uk
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unfortunately there's a lot of laws that police can just sort of hatch and they can hand you an order
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to leave and if you don't that becomes the offense you're not doing anything wrong they order you to
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leave if you're not leaving fast enough that's basically the criminal charge isn't it yes so in fact
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people's bail conditions would even be worse so i was originally arrested for breach of a section 14
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of a public order act which states that a particular area that is given the section you cannot have an
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assembly or protest so you were an assembly of one or a protest of one there was one man army who had
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a uber booked who showed on several occasions the officers that i was within my means to leave
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then they arrested me because supposedly i was protesting the area that was sectioned i wasn't in
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there were several other people attempting to leave within the same area they arrest me they
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take me in custody for the full 24 hours and midway through the night they give me a fervor arrest
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for a hate crime inciting religious and racial hatred because they suspect that on september the 5th
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in which i said we should call for the deportations of economic migrants within the bell hotel now this
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is the opinion across epping and essex and it's very clear that people within this area don't want
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migrants who come here they claim asylum even though interestingly they're just here to
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economically benefit of a very vulnerable system of migration and they suspect that my political
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opinion that i put down on the internet is an arrestable offense you know again you're using
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some reference to sections and things like that and and that's i'm glad you're thinking about those
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details really the police it's almost like lavrenti beria the former soviet head of secret police he had a
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saying i don't know this i don't know if you know this he said show me the man and i'll find you the
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crime by which he means there's so many laws there's so many ways to get someone just show me who you want
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to get and i'll cook up the the accusation i think that's exactly what happened to you someone said we've
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got to stop young bob from doing his journalism just find a way throw something at the wall and see if
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it sticks and the fact that you're 17 i think they knew you you weren't maybe legally savvy you probably
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didn't have a lawyer and uh to hold you overnight in the police station they knew that would tear that
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would terrify a man of 53 years old let alone 17 years old i think they were trying to spook you they
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were trying to demoralize you they were trying to scare you that's what it looks like to me i mean of course
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this isn't the first time unfortunately i have been arrested for covering protests and that is
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always the fear tactic so actually for juveniles people under the age of 18 the police within the
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uk prioritize their detention and make sure that they aren't charged making sure they're not in
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prison because that ruins their future career but they did keep you overnight they kept me over time
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so they're what they're doing is enforcing a political crime on a young child and that contradicts
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the surrounding ethos of the metropolitan police that is trying to have these people have good
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futures they're going to completely ruin my life if i'm ever charged of these two offenses and they
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want to do that to kind of make a precedent out there that citizens journalists and protesters can't
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cover and talk about migration i tell you young bob for a man of tender years you speak with a
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sophistication and a maturity and i think they picked the wrong guy to push around i was worried though
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because i've seen in the uk people who don't have lawyers at all or people who don't have strong
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lawyers get railroaded i think of lucy connelly the mom who was sentenced to 31 months for a tweet
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um there there really is a war on anyone who's a skeptic of mass immigration and that's you don't
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have to that's not a racial thing you're just saying we want to enforce the law there's these illegal
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migrant boats to turn that into a crime to have that that's a mainstream political point of view by the
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way even the labor prime minister keir starmer is talking about deportation so the police i think
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are being bullies i don't think it's a good look on the country that gave us robert peel's principles
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of policing i think the british police are losing their reputation but i think it's important that
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you get some strong help and that's why i reached out to you as you know rebel news crowd funds lawyers
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for people who can't afford them we've done that for tommy robinson in the past and i offered to do that
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for you and i just want to tell you that we're not going to let you go through this alone i've spoken
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to one of the lawyers we use for tommy robinson's cases tana edelman of carson k which is a solid law
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firm we've used for many years with tommy you and her have spoken now don't tell me any details about
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that conversation because it's legally privileged but just confirm for me that you've spoken for
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tana and you feel like you're in good hands with her yeah and from what she said she seems like she
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has a long history of dealing with protesters and of course i'm quite vulnerable although that's kind
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of ironic me admitting that uh i am very young i don't have the wisdom that many people that i'm
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privileged to be surrounded by have when it comes to dealing with the law and places like youth
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detention centers they're incredibly violent i mean you have to be one disturbed individual
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to be arrested at my age and you think that islam and like this militant islam is entrenched
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within adult prisons they're certainly more entrenched within young offenders institute so if
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i get there with my track record of religious and political coverage i wouldn't do too well so i think
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this is an attempt by the police state and of course i always respect the lawyers that will cover me and
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make sure that i'm legally protected we've been in touch with your mom as well to make sure that she
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knows that we're dealing with you because you're a minor i want to make sure that when we when we're
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talking to you and we're offering to crowdfund that this is okay with your mom and she has spoken to
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us on the phone i want to confirm that for viewers because of course we have to be respectful of the
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fact that you are indeed a minor you carry yourself very well but you are a minor and i want to make
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sure that you have a guardian overlooking our work so basically we are going to pay tana's legal bill
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that's the firm carson k as you pointed out she's been fighting these battles for a long time
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the way rebel news does that is very simple we say to the world if you think their treatment of
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young bob is outrageous if you think that it's political intimidation if you think they're trying
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to scare him out of his citizen journalists then let's bind together and it you know you would have
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to be very wealthy to pay a lawyer to do this on your own but if we can have a hundred or a thousand
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people chip in five pounds ten pounds even fifty pounds together we can pay for the lawyer to get
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young bob out of this pickle go to save young bob dot co dot uk save young bob dot co dot uk
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we've already uh come to terms with the lawyer and with you young bob i think if police know that
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you've got a strong lawyer and that you've got thousands of friends looking out for you and that
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rebel news is going to shine a light of scrutiny on this i'm hoping that they'll back down and and
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think okay well we can't push this guy around that's the theory we're working under at least
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yeah like again like you perfectly outlined i'm the textbook example for the police as i imagine
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of someone who's vulnerable and they can chuck the whole law book at and i don't know i plead guilty to
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whatever crimes they're accusing me of so it would be absolutely great to kind of demonstrate to people
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that mothers children people who are very new to this new form of activism are now covered by
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historical institutes who have fought on beside of protesters you know in the uk there's a wonderful
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group called the free speech union they're doing a lot of good work they can't take everyone and i
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think in the protest movement and the citizen journalism movement that's something that rebel news has a
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special connection to including with our history with tommy robinson so there you have it young bob
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he wants to fight for freedom he wants to fight for free journalism for citizen journalism he was
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one of the journalists who covered the people's revolt in epping against the migrant hotel there
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police were looking for a way to shut him up they cooked up a scheme we have to stop that scheme with
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an excellent lawyer and there's no way that young bob could afford that on his own that's up to you and
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me if you believe that we've got to help citizen journalists including this young guy i mean look at
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him he looks like he's got to be 25 no he's young he's 17 and he needs our help go to save young
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bob dot co dot uk thanks well there you go i hope it works i mean i i think the one of the reasons
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they're picking on young bob is because he's young and they want to scare him off and they know he doesn't
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have any money and they know he doesn't have his lawyers and they know he's not sophisticated in
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legal matters well that's where we come in and i'm not saying we're miracle workers but we do know
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lawyers and we do know crowdfunding and we also have an audience so i mean young bob does too but
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i think to give him allies and it's my hope frankly that the police will drop their case against him
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without even finding him because if they thought he was easy pickings i think they'll know that he's got
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crowdfunding behind him now he's got a a competent and experienced lawyer behind him now and rebel
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news not to toot our own horn but we have a pretty big audience on some of these issues in particular
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including in the uk so that's why i went over there anyways so i landed in the morning
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i immediately went to the city center i had lunch with uh young bob and a couple other young journalists
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and then we recorded that and we had some time left before i had to go back to the airport
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so we went to hyde park which is a lovely london has some lovely parks and for a very long time i
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think it's measured in centuries there's a place in hyde park that they call speaker's corner and as you
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know the united kingdom has for centuries been one of the places in the world with strong freedom of
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speech and speaker's corner is held to be the freest of the free speech where anyone can jump up on a
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box or a little step ladder and just rant and just give her talking about anything
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and so i wanted to go there because i heard there was a gathering of these people and those people
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and um i i was in hyde park when i was a kid um i think when i was 17 or something that was the first
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time i went to london and well i'm not 17 anymore a lot of people think i am but i'm not
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uh so i didn't know what to expect i had seen in the past that there were some conflagrations there
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because they allow religious freedom of speech so obviously in the uk the fastest growing religion
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is islam and you have people there trying to proselytize but you also have christians trying
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to proselytize and you have ex muslims who in some ways are the harshest critics of islam before i even
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gone in there's an area called marble arch which is just what it sounds like and as you enter hyde park
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i saw there were two large loudspeakers with constant muslim prayers being broadcast just chained
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just why not he just turned it into a turn the whole area into a kind of muslim mosque well i walked in
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and there were other people there including a christian pastor and i went up to him and i was
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just filming him quietly i wasn't really interacting and he said hey is that ezra levant and i thought
00:27:47.640
isn't that funny that i'm here in london half a world away and one of the street preachers in london
00:27:53.640
i guess follows rebel news i didn't i i didn't really want to interact with him because i didn't want to
00:27:59.000
change what he was up to i mean i waved at him but here's a quick moment of that which i thought was sort of fun
00:28:04.200
i think you perhaps still need to find jesus christ so i can only preach him to you i love you man i love
00:28:32.200
the work you do but my prayer is that you find the lord jesus christ keep on doing what you're doing
00:28:38.280
bless you anyways there was some very dramatic uh pro and anti islam sites and of course it being
00:28:46.520
london there are a lot of women wearing not just um the hijab but the full face obscuring niqab which i
00:28:54.200
find quite depressing because i think that's an infringement on the natural rights of women i think it's a
00:28:59.960
uh two-tier status if you're a man in islam the world is your oyster if you're a woman you have
00:29:07.640
fewer rights and that's not an opinion that is in fact sharia law but i knew that at the same time
00:29:15.320
there was a speech just down the path by a i don't know feminist is the right word but a pro-female
00:29:22.120
activist named kelly jean keene keene kelly j keen excuse me who goes by the nickname posy parker a
00:29:29.000
lot of these brits have a nickname right young bob posy parker um and you know every month she has a
00:29:35.480
little gathering in hyde park where she talks about the battle against what she regards as one of the
00:29:42.360
greatest threats to women which is transgenderism here's a little excerpt from her live stream and i
00:29:49.000
just watched it in person i didn't record it because i saw she was so this is from her live
00:29:53.160
stream very interesting and she invited a lot of other people to come up and say a few words
00:29:58.760
i learned a lot it's actually terrifying over there the war against women being fought by
00:30:06.200
transgender activists here's a bit of kelly j keene we have decided as women that we are bringing women
00:30:12.760
back two speakers corner and we're gonna do it whether you like it or not so it would be remiss of
00:30:21.400
me if i didn't talk about the women that many of men have left behind in afghanistan who are not allowed
00:30:29.800
to use their voices outside their homes and sometimes not inside their homes who are not allowed to feel
00:30:36.520
the sun upon their face because their men have used a misogynist cult a death cult called islam to
00:30:45.400
justify the mistreatment of women so we have come to talk about the women in afghanistan also the women
00:30:52.360
in iran who are not allowed to uncover their hair also the women in saidi arabia who are not allowed often
00:31:00.760
to uncover their faces because the men in their family are afraid of women's faces apparently also
00:31:08.360
in london you see more and more women with the niqab and for me i think it's time we ban the face
00:31:14.280
covering that cannot be something that we see as normal in the united kingdom it really can't be
00:31:25.400
something that we accept as women or as citizens of this country as normal we have to really stop
00:31:31.880
that but i want to just make sure that men here understand that women have a right to speak and we
00:31:39.960
will be returning here the last sunday of every month to take up space and to speak on behalf of the
00:31:45.960
women of the united kingdom but also the women of the world so today we came here to let women speak
00:31:54.360
thank you anyways i really enjoyed that i mean i i've been to so many political protests in my day
00:32:00.760
sometimes i find them a little bit boring but this was the opposite of boring i found it very
00:32:04.600
educational anyways i walked with her back to speaker's corner where she um gets up on a stool
00:32:12.360
and says some remarks too and i tried to catch i don't know a five minute walk and talk interview with
00:32:17.960
her i was using my selfie stick and i was bouncing around a little bit so the picture's not perfect and the
00:32:23.880
audio is not perfect but i want to share with you my conversation with posy parker for the five
00:32:29.160
minutes of walking from her rally to speaker's corner kelly jakeen i know you're from the internet
00:32:33.960
and we have mutual friends like chris elston tell me a little bit about your story and the
00:32:40.280
women's spaces in the age of transgenderism here in the uk well i've been doing this
00:32:46.360
oh thank you so much so i've been doing this since uh 2015 2016 when i found out this was happening
00:32:55.800
um so uh 2018 um i i put a billboard up in the uk that read the dictionary definition of the word
00:33:07.000
and what happened it got taken down for hate speech who took it down uh prime sight which is one of the
00:33:13.000
largest outdoor billboard sort of spaces uh in the uk maybe europe um so they took it down uh it got a
00:33:23.960
bit of attention and obviously everything was one and we went back to normal did you did you face any
00:33:30.200
legal consequences for that no no because it wasn't it wasn't hate speech the company just decided that
00:33:37.160
they they wanted to take it down but i think um you know we've got plenty of laws in this country at
00:33:43.240
the moment which i'm sure you've reported on repeatedly but back then uh so before that in 2018 i was the
00:33:51.160
first person who you say to interview under caution for hate speech concerning transphobia so interview under
00:33:57.880
caution so that's a police interview and you if you say the wrong thing you could be charged is that yeah
00:34:02.440
yeah yeah so uh in this country you're invited for an involuntary for a voluntary involuntary but for a
00:34:09.000
voluntary interview they say i'll come for an interview and they text me and i had no idea that
00:34:13.640
the police didn't text did you have a lawyer with you i did actually i had a really good lawyer who's no
00:34:18.520
longer with us but um amazing man called william beige who uh came with a very good reputation and he's um
00:34:28.280
really super super posh and had this sort of gravitas that meant uh he was taken seriously but i
00:34:34.520
didn't speak in the interview so i i no commented the whole interview and then they tried to charge me
00:34:41.720
um cps weren't having any of it and then and the woman who actually had reported me for tweets one of
00:34:47.320
them was about castration so she took her son to thailand for his 16th birthday and he was castrated oh my god
00:34:55.160
so you're saying the police interviewed you under caution but you were not actually prosecuted
00:35:00.520
is that what you're saying no so i've been so i was interviewed under caution um for that and then
00:35:06.120
later on in the year it was about having a photograph of this woman who reported me um she
00:35:11.640
ran an organization called mermaids which some of your audience will know but it was it's like the main
00:35:17.800
trans kid lobby um gruesome organization in the country so she she then reported me again so i was
00:35:26.280
interviewed under caution again i've been interviewed under caution again for describing someone as a
00:35:31.640
lesbian who didn't have the um the courage to be a lesbian and i was interviewed then i was arrested
00:35:39.720
during uh lockdown for going and having a women's meeting in public and i was actually arrested and
00:35:45.880
put in the back of a wagon have you ever been convicted no but they're harassing you who is behind
00:35:53.480
this is it is it just seeping into the police force in general or is there some sort of a get kelly gene
00:36:00.360
um remind me a little bit of my friend tommy robinson always in trouble oh yeah but but you have
00:36:09.080
supporters i do um what about the the high court ruling there are only two sexes well um i don't know
00:36:17.640
if you're really familiar with this but they just clarified so there was no there was no new brand
00:36:24.280
new ruling it wasn't a brand new law they just said no this is what the law means and everybody knew
00:36:29.320
what the law meant until the equality act of 2010 and then until some sort of guidance that came out
00:36:36.200
maybe 2014 2015 is when you really saw this stuff seep through the organizations and some of that will
00:36:43.160
be hr departments uh will be diversity um and uh equity that sort of inclusion policies that will be
00:36:52.120
people with uh who really wanted something to do for a job and so they just invent these policies
00:36:58.440
um but what happened significantly in the police force is in 2012 a police officer took
00:37:03.640
the police to court on the basis that he considered himself a woman and he was very upset that he
00:37:10.360
wasn't allowed to intimately search suspects like other female officers and so he took the police to
00:37:15.080
court and i think it's little cases like that that make everyone really afraid and so they start
00:37:20.520
buckling to these these uh pornified versions of um anyway so i'm really glad i went there and it was
00:37:29.000
sort of fun to be recognized by the one christian pastor and to have a bit of a heart to heart with
00:37:33.400
kelly j keene anyway i got back on the plane and here i am in toronto but i want to tell you where i'm
00:37:38.680
going now because uh i'm sort of nervous about it i know i don't generally get nervous um i feel like
00:37:45.720
there is anti-semitism on the online right in a way that was completely absent until about a year ago
00:37:55.960
there's always been anti-semitism in the world it's it's enduring it's uh it metastasizes it comes
00:38:02.600
out in different ways typically in north america and in the uk and in the west and in australia um
00:38:09.160
anti-semitism would be found in two quarters one would be academia aka marxism where they look at the
00:38:15.160
world in the case of oppressed and oppressors they used to look at jews as the oppressed right after
00:38:21.160
the holocaust there was a lot of sympathy for jews frankly it was one of the impetus to have the jewish
00:38:26.280
state created in 1948 but when israel was no longer the oppressed when it actually won the six-day war
00:38:33.240
in 1967 it was like the whole intellectual class turned and so oh so israel is not on its knees anymore
00:38:41.000
the jews are not easily bound and slaughtered as they were in the holocaust they've got a country
00:38:45.880
that actually defeated five arab armies well i guess we flip it now and they're the oppressors and
00:38:52.200
the billion muslims and arabs are the oppressed so that is the seeds of anti-semitism in the
00:38:59.560
intellectual west which has been supplemented greatly in the last 10 or 20 years by mass immigration from
00:39:06.520
anti-semitic countries ironically the most anti-semitic countries have the least jews
00:39:11.160
there really are no jews in pakistan bangladesh afghanistan syria somalia places like that algeria
00:39:19.080
but boy there's a lot of anti-semites and now canada has two million of them
00:39:23.240
and again i didn't like and i hated it it makes me worry for the future of our country but it was on
00:39:29.240
the left but in the last year i'd say there is a new species of anti-semitism that i've never seen
00:39:36.600
in my entire life and it's from the online right and it's especially on places like twitter and tick
00:39:42.600
tock and i find it astonishing some of it can be written off to qatar which is buying influencers
00:39:49.800
online and isn't even really hiding that i was very disappointed to learn that qatar paid two hundred
00:39:56.040
thousand dollars to get their prime minister on tucker carlson's show i didn't you know i i really
00:40:01.720
looked up to tucker for the longest time but i for whatever reason personal or financial i don't know
00:40:08.200
he's really been a nexus for a lot of this online anti-semitism and so is candace owens who was very
00:40:14.920
interesting five years ago but now it's just holy cow has she gone down the rabbit hole so i
00:40:21.000
you know i reached out to my friend alex jones who's the boss of info wars i said
00:40:25.080
let me come on down as a friend as an ally i mean sometimes rebel news is being called
00:40:31.640
the info wars of canada there's a little bit of truth to it and we have a different style
00:40:35.000
but we cover some of the same issues we cover the world economic forum we were skeptics and
00:40:39.400
dissidents during the covid period and and the vaccine mandates we were there for the truckers we
00:40:45.800
in a lot of ways love freedom and are skeptic uh skeptical about authoritarianism and globalism
00:40:53.240
really i think we are very strong on those issues we've even worked with info wars in terms of
00:40:59.160
giving them daily updates when we are in davos etc i regard alex jones as a friend um so i i basically
00:41:06.280
said let me come down there and try and talk about this new anti-semitism on the right not in a scolding
00:41:12.920
way and not in a attacking way but as a friend and as an ally as a member of the info wars nation and
00:41:19.160
you know what i've discovered over the last few weeks is that there's a lot of people on the right
00:41:23.400
who want to talk about what they've heard in this new wave of online anti-semitism but they don't have
00:41:28.520
a jewish friend at least not one that they feel comfortable to talk politics about it is a fact
00:41:33.640
that many jews are on the left or liberals and so if i'm in conservative circles who are they going to
00:41:40.040
ask about these and and a lot of people ask me about like what i'm saying is a lot of right-wing
00:41:46.120
christians mainly ask me troubling questions or questions that trouble them about jews about
00:41:53.640
judaism the religion about israel because they know i'm not going to bite their head off because
00:41:59.160
i'm on their side because i'm not going to call them racist like the anti-defamation league does and
00:42:05.400
and i have some theories of why this anti-semitism is spring sprouting again i have some answers to
00:42:10.760
some of his particular accusations but really my goal tomorrow on infowars is to outline why anti-semitism
00:42:18.520
is not a conservative way of thinking i'll give you a little sneak preview here i mean two of my
00:42:23.480
points are first of all to deal with people as a collective like the jews did this well there's not
00:42:30.360
a the jews some jews or a jew but to blame every single jew because a particular jew or some jews did
00:42:39.320
something and they weren't even doing it in the name of judaism that's a collectivist way of thinking
00:42:43.480
that it's just not what people who believe in freedom say i mean surely you don't think that
00:42:49.240
stephen miller donald trump's point person on immigration is the same cloth as alex soros son
00:42:56.680
of george soros i mean yes on paper they're both jewish but they couldn't be more different including
00:43:02.600
their observance of judaism so my first point is don't be a collectivist don't say all jews or the
00:43:10.680
jews if it's a jew who does something and and by the way just because someone's jewish doesn't mean
00:43:15.000
what's animating them is judaism i mean it would be like if i said anthony fauci bill gates uh
00:43:23.080
you know klaus schwab the head of the world economic forum what do they have in common well you would
00:43:28.360
say oh they're globalists they're authoritarians they uh infringe on freedom and what if someone said
00:43:34.120
no no no what they have in common is they believe in christianity well that's not
00:43:40.440
i mean yeah maybe but they're not really religious at all you know i wouldn't even
00:43:44.280
call them practicing christians and and they may have renounced it i could say they're probably
00:43:48.840
atheists but that's not the commonality the commonality is their political motives and and
00:43:55.480
tactics but and if you said well those christians you people would say you're nuts it's got nothing
00:44:00.520
to do with the christianity that's my point is some of the toughest questions that i get asked
00:44:07.560
are well it was jeffrey epstein jewish well of course he was jewish i don't think he was
00:44:13.000
particularly observant but what makes him odious was not his jewishness it's what he did now we could
00:44:19.240
talk also about was he a spy for whom was he working and i've got some i don't have any inside tips but
00:44:24.680
i'm happy to talk about those things my point is you wouldn't say anthony fauci those italians or those
00:44:30.840
catholics or those christians wouldn't say that and you certainly wouldn't say the catholics and
00:44:36.840
anyway that's going to be one of my arguments and the other is don't avoid personal or national
00:44:43.880
responsibility for things by scapegoating the jews for example i mean i visit ireland from time to time
00:44:50.360
as you know it's about five million people in ireland they have one of the worst immigration
00:44:54.840
policies in the world and they have almost no jews and there's about two thousand jews
00:45:00.600
in a country of five million so what's that that's point zero five percent that's not even one in a
00:45:07.640
thousand right it's half of one in a thousand less and i checked there hasn't been a jew in the irish
00:45:15.080
parliament in more than a decade there just isn't there's no jews in the irish senate there's no you
00:45:21.880
know that it's just no jews there and yet how do you blame as some do i encountered one actually
00:45:30.840
he was a national socialist in the streets of dublin who blamed the jews for for ireland's woes
00:45:37.400
how do you do that how do you scapegoat the jews when there really aren't any in ireland
00:45:42.520
and we know who the prime minister is we know who the foreign minister is you know there was leo
00:45:47.800
varadkar and then there was simon harris and michael martin i'm just giving you an example
00:45:52.680
i mean why and how would you not point to your own parliament and your own senate and your own
00:46:00.120
president and your own courts and your own political parties it's just too convenient to scapegoat the
00:46:05.960
jews i acknowledge that there are jews or lapsed jews or secular jews who have who drive part of the
00:46:15.320
world mass immigration movement alex soros is one of them but there's plenty of catholics and christians
00:46:21.800
and muslims who do that too it's just a little too handy to exculpate yourself and your political
00:46:29.160
party and your country by saying the jews did it maybe a jew was involved or some jews were involved
00:46:35.800
but i think it's not a conservative way of thinking to say i'm not responsible for myself
00:46:40.760
i'm not my parliament is not responsible for its laws that some cosmic jewish forces anyhow
00:46:48.440
as you can see i haven't worked out all these ideas yet i'm just going into info wars as a friend and
00:46:54.200
an ally and i don't know how many jewish friends alex has or his viewers but my hope is that they sort
00:46:59.880
of ask me anything my hope is that they ask me the toughest questions they can in fact i sort of sent
00:47:04.920
some ahead and said well drill me on these things and let me do my best because i'm just worried that
00:47:10.360
we're we're making some of the the online right is starting to make some of the mistakes of the
00:47:16.520
online left and the academic left and the uh you know anti-semitic left and i i don't like that
00:47:22.440
happening it's not just special pleading uh because i'm jewish myself i'm just thinking that is not how
00:47:27.400
we think we don't blame collectives because of a particular group of people and we don't you know say
00:47:35.880
i have no personal responsibility in my life for the state of things i'm going to blame the jews
00:47:41.160
anyways you'll have to watch tomorrow i'm on at 1 p.m i think that's central time i'm sure we'll run
00:47:46.600
um excerpts from it on uh our channel if not the whole thing that's where i'm off to
00:47:52.360
i'm actually leaving tonight and that's tomorrow i'll be back on wednesday and you can tell me how i did
00:48:05.960
anyway speaking of anti-semitism and palestine and israel um abey amini one one of our reporters our
00:48:14.200
australia bureau chief is actually in israel and he was doing different interviews here and there
00:48:20.360
and he caught the attention of an israeli tv station and he was interviewed about his journalism and his
00:48:25.960
activism and i should say it's sort of funny because rebel news is about 30 staff and i'm jewish of course
00:48:31.640
am obvious jewish but i don't think we have other jewish journalists we got sheila and drea and you
00:48:37.640
know in fact i'm thinking about it we have you know very christian journalists and we have people who
00:48:42.040
are not religious and and we actually have one writer who's muslim so we have a diversity of opinions
00:48:48.920
um but i i think that one thing that unites all of us is we're against violence we're against terrorism
00:48:55.240
and i think we're against anti-semitism and anti-anti-christian big retreats being a big theme anyways
00:49:00.200
without further ado let me close the show by showing you abey amini who was interviewed by israeli
00:49:05.400
national tv take a look can't hamas just released the hostages when hamas said yes
00:49:10.600
doing the negotiation netanyahu said no that's what i love about israel i think it's a free
00:49:15.480
it's a real robust democracy free for the jews free for the jews it's an apartheid state how can
00:49:22.920
you say that we are the best country in the middle east when we kill 70 000 people that's genocide
00:49:29.720
you can quote me i believe hamas more than i believe my prime minister yes
00:49:39.080
for joining us thanks for having me so for us in israel we're used to seeing those extreme leftists
00:49:47.160
in demonstration but when you're coming from australia hearing israelis bashing the idf and bashing
00:49:54.200
israel what was your reaction to it i've been attending protests for many years here in australia
00:50:10.040
and around the world um the left i'm used to dealing with them and i'm used to hearing their rhetoric a lot
00:50:16.600
of attendees there that were leftists and it what became clear there is that they were um you know
00:50:23.960
they were anti bibi and and there was a question that i consistently asked all of them were you at
00:50:29.000
the protests prior to october 7 just to get an idea if they were protesting against the netanyahu
00:50:34.680
government before october 7 and if if this was i'm not saying that they don't care about the hostages
00:50:39.000
but if this was just like an extension of the bibi netanyahu protest from prior to october 7 and that
00:50:44.840
everybody i asked said yes but what shocked me about these two is the rhetoric was i can't describe
00:50:53.960
it anything but suicidal and insane and the fact that they believe hamas over netanyahu like you can
00:51:01.560
hate netanyahu but to say that hamas is a better um a better player in this than than than hamas people
00:51:10.440
that literally would love for you to die made no sense to me it was insane yeah unbelievable and
00:51:17.400
especially when you see anti-israeli riots in sydney and melbourne do you feel these israelis
00:51:23.960
are giving ammunition to the demonstrators um in australia so what was interesting to me was the next day
00:51:38.200
and i've seen this throughout this war is the same piece of footage one side goes wow look how crazy this
00:51:45.240
is and the other side says exactly what you were alluding to go you see even israelis know that
00:51:51.800
they're evil even israelis know that their own government are worse than hamas to be fair to the
00:51:58.040
rest of the protesters that i met that night the rest of them all love israel they may hate the
00:52:03.880
government they still believe in the country they just they're leftists but they you know i saw israeli
00:52:09.880
flag something that you won't see of left-wing protests in australia you won't see australian
00:52:14.440
flags for example so they they didn't actually hate the country they just hate the government
00:52:19.080
i think a lot of uh a lot of their arguments were ridiculous and made no sense and um could easily be
00:52:25.080
picked apart but that couple and that particular group um that were there those people were pushing
00:52:31.960
it just as far as the biggest jew haters the only other people that talk like them are people that
00:52:37.480
genuinely hate jews in australia people that celebrate the death of jews and as a jew living
00:52:43.560
in australia what's the general feeling of the jewish community after last week when albanese's
00:52:50.040
government uh declared they're recognizing a palestinian state people have become used to
00:53:02.600
being disappointed in the government the last two years has been an escalating anti-israel
00:53:09.080
policy by the albanese government i think people are hurt sad and scared and i think you're probably
00:53:15.320
going to see many more aliyah from australia to israel um which is to me i know israelis might be
00:53:23.000
happy with that to me that's sad okay they're always uh welcome here avi amini i want to thank you
00:53:29.160
for this interview and for all of your great work that you're doing raising the awareness of
00:53:34.360
everything that is happening in israel all right well let me close the show with letters because
00:53:42.680
i don't think i did that the other day um here's a letter on the un and benjamin netanyahu fugu 4163
00:53:50.760
says this just proves that the un should be closed down the corruption is huge and you can't trust an
00:53:55.320
organization like the un well another point is the un is dominated by dictatorships i mean i'm not just
00:54:03.080
talking about some of the most powerful countries like china and russia but you know out of the 53
00:54:08.200
or so countries in in africa how many of them would even make that meet the test of being a real
00:54:14.600
democracy like would it even be five i don't know so just because a dictatorship walks out
00:54:20.120
to embarrass yahoo i'm not sure if that's an important moral vote seti 69 says new zealand
00:54:27.480
refused to recognize palestine two days ago at the un as a kiwi i'm proud we are holding off as kipling
00:54:33.000
said if you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs you're exactly right here's a
00:54:38.200
short clip of them making their case take a look i was very happy to see this palestinian statehood
00:54:45.640
now would serve as little more than an existential act of defiance against an unalterable state of
00:54:55.400
affairs we are not ready to make that gesture rather the new zealand government believes that it has
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one opportunity to recognize palestinian statehood and it would make better sense to do so when conditions
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offer greater prospects for peace and negotiation than at present yeah it's very different than
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jacinda ardern you know she would have been wearing a keffiyeh uh if she were the prime minister here's
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a letter from hoof hearted who says welcome to canada where everything is censored except crime oh i i'm
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really worried about crime because you know it destroys our quality of life it it asks us to accept that
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as the new normal and i think one of the crime waves is a very political crime wave it's an
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anti-semitic crime wave and i think that's one of the reasons why the police are generally not
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enforcing the law is because they're politically directed not to which is sort of crazy well that's
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our show for today i'm off to austin texas to go on infomores i'll give you a report on how it goes
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until next time on behalf of all of us here at rebel world headquarters to you at home good night