Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ A feature interview with the Conservative Party's immigration critic, Michelle Rempel Garner

00:00:01.000 Hello, my friends, a very special feature interview with Michelle Rempel-Garner, the

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00:00:28.720 Tonight, a feature interview with the Conservative Party's immigration critic.

00:00:33.760 I think she says some new things that she hasn't said before.

00:00:37.380 It's December 17th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:40.400 You party for freedom! 0.54

00:00:43.280 Shame on you, you censorious bug!

00:00:46.400 Well, my favorite pollster, Abacus Research, led by David Colletto, came up with a very

00:01:00.160 interesting poll showing that the Conservatives and Liberals are in an exact dead heat.

00:01:05.800 The exact same number of Canadians support each party.

00:01:09.960 In fact, the favorable and disfavorableness of the two party leaders is remarkably similar

00:01:16.140 too.

00:01:16.940 But there was a very interesting graph in the latest poll that showed a chasm between the

00:01:23.160 parties on key issues.

00:01:25.620 And the issue in which Pierre Polyev has the support of nearly 60% of Canadians, whereas

00:01:32.200 Mark Carney is favored by only 18%, is that of immigration.

00:01:36.380 In other words, if Pierre Polyev is talking about other things, he's fighting an uphill

00:01:41.500 battle.

00:01:42.000 But if he's talking about immigration, that's a winner. 0.97

00:01:44.980 It may be controversial with the media party, but ordinary Canadians love it.

00:01:49.220 Well, Pierre Polyev, since the election, has been getting firmer and firmer on the subject.

00:01:54.020 And I'm delighted to have with us the official opposition immigration critic, Michelle

00:01:59.620 Rempel-Garnet, who joins us now via Zoom.

00:02:02.680 Thanks so much for taking the time.

00:02:04.280 I appreciate it.

00:02:05.060 Thanks for having me, as always.

00:02:07.360 Well, it's nice to see you.

00:02:08.320 And I saw you at an event where you and other conservative MPs were talking about the abuse

00:02:14.300 of the Temporary Foreign Worker Project.

00:02:17.200 How is that going?

00:02:18.700 Has the public sentiment turned on the idea of temporary foreign workers?

00:02:23.160 I think people are realizing that they're not specialists.

00:02:26.540 They're people taking entry-level jobs.

00:02:28.580 That's my hunch.

00:02:29.380 What's your observation?

00:02:30.180 Well, I think I'd take it up maybe to 100,000 for you and just say that I think that where

00:02:36.140 the Canadian public is on immigration is that they understand that immigration can work if

00:02:42.160 the levels are set with the ability of Canada's social and economic infrastructure to keep

00:02:48.280 up with the levels.

00:02:49.120 So specifically, I'm thinking of things like housing, health care, and jobs.

00:02:53.400 So what you're talking about with the Temporary Foreign Worker Program is one area of immigration

00:02:59.060 that has impacted job availability in Canada.

00:03:02.760 So we've seen over the last 10 years, not just the Temporary Foreign Worker Program itself,

00:03:07.300 but also other streams of temporary foreign work, like the International Student Program,

00:03:12.520 really go up to levels that are completely unsustainable.

00:03:16.600 This is something that economists across the political divide have noted, and it's exacerbated

00:03:22.820 the youth jobs crisis because we're increasing the availability of temporary foreign work at

00:03:28.940 a time when we're seeing technological disruptions and those first opportunities for youth disappearing.

00:03:34.940 So it was kind of a no-brainer to announce that we would support the abolition of that program,

00:03:41.240 replacing it with something that would address, you know, legitimately hard to find the seasonal,

00:03:46.400 fill seasonal labor in the agricultural sectors.

00:03:49.160 But we've, you know, we also announced a lot more policy than that this fall.

00:03:53.660 And I think that that's a large part about why you're seeing public confidence in the

00:03:58.260 Conservative Party when it comes to managing immigration far, far better than the liberals could.

00:04:03.980 You know, the beneficiaries of mass cheap labor are obviously large employers.

00:04:10.740 I mean, not all of them are doing it.

00:04:12.380 But if you are a major employer, you like cheap labor, it saves you a few percent.

00:04:19.320 And frankly, on the other side, you're a landlord, property developer, keeps jacking up prices.

00:04:25.800 Like it's a win-win for big corporations.

00:04:28.500 And I know I'm sounding like a Marxist now, but seriously.

00:04:31.540 You're not.

00:04:32.320 I think that Mark Carney is thinking like a turbo capitalist.

00:04:36.780 He's not thinking about ordinary Canadians.

00:04:38.300 He's thinking of them as consumers of goods and services or cheap labor.

00:04:42.740 He's not thinking of them as Canadians.

00:04:44.300 I actually challenge you on that.

00:04:45.560 It's actually the temporary foreign worker program is a fundamentally non-conservative program

00:04:50.160 because it inserts the government into the price of wages, right?

00:04:54.940 So when you have an endless supply of temporary foreign work, what ends up happening is you end up suppressing wages.

00:05:02.280 It's a direct government intervention on the ability of wages to keep up with the demand for labor.

00:05:08.320 And so it's fundamentally a far left policy.

00:05:11.840 And it's one that we've seen, you know, have massive social implications because it's not just about the loss of jobs for Canadian youth in particular,

00:05:21.140 but it also treats the people who come to Canada like an indentured labor class.

00:05:26.000 You know, Canada, that's not how it's supposed to work in Canada.

00:05:29.600 And you have all these lobby groups, Ezra, right?

00:05:31.660 You know about them that come into Ottawa and they ask for all these extra foreign labors to do exactly what you talked about. 0.90

00:05:37.820 Suppress wages, increase profits, and frankly, not have to invest in things like productivity.

00:05:43.240 So it's long past time that these programs were abolished or severely reined in.

00:05:48.860 And anybody who's making the case that the Canadian government shouldn't be betting on Canadian youth first and foremost,

00:05:57.760 I just don't buy it.

00:05:59.000 So there needs to be change.

00:06:01.200 Now, I have a friend who has been a Tim Hortons franchise owner for many years.

00:06:06.240 And when I bumped into him recently, he was quite mad at me for picking on Tim Hortons and the Temporary Foreign Workers Program.

00:06:13.340 He said something to me that did ring a bell.

00:06:15.680 He said a lot of the people who work at Tim Hortons and other places, they're not temporary foreign workers.

00:06:21.900 They're foreign international students who are allowed to work.

00:06:25.760 So I think he was making a distinction without a difference.

00:06:28.560 These are still foreign people who are driving down wages and supplanting Canadians. 1.00

00:06:34.020 They're just in a different program.

00:06:35.280 I think he thought that distinction would mollify me.

00:06:38.540 I don't think it does.

00:06:39.520 I don't know the exact number of international students in Canada, but it's around a million, last I checked.

00:06:45.480 So if you've got, like, I think that's more than the foreign workers.

00:06:48.500 So it's actually probably a larger and bigger issue.

00:06:51.860 In fact, I don't even know how many of these students who are working are legit students.

00:06:56.400 A lot of them come with obvious diploma mills, so just buying a diploma.

00:07:00.500 Can you talk a little bit about foreign students who either do attend school but spend a lot of their time working,

00:07:10.620 or really it was a fake school that they just paid to get them in the country?

00:07:14.540 Well, you're absolutely right.

00:07:15.440 You shouldn't be mollified to hear that.

00:07:17.580 So just a little bit of context for your listeners.

00:07:21.500 What happened was the Liberals about five years ago, four or five years ago, they decided to completely juice the number of foreign student permits that Canada issued on a year-to-year basis.

00:07:33.240 You even had the now justice minister who has a track record of failure, Sean Frazier, as the immigration minister.

00:07:39.700 He even came out and bragged about raising the number of foreign student permits to the highest levels ever in Canada.

00:07:46.820 I don't know if you know this, Ezra, but there's actually over 3 million temporary residents in Canada right now.

00:07:52.340 It's close to 8% of the Canadian population.

00:07:55.280 If you compare that to 10 years ago, that was a number that was, I think it was under 1%.

00:07:59.340 I'd have to check, but it was certainly far lower than that.

00:08:02.080 So the point I'm trying to make is that it was a deliberate decision by the Liberal government to increase these foreign student permits.

00:08:11.200 You know, they made, there are certain colleges, particularly on Ontario, that just made absolute bank off of these kids.

00:08:18.740 And like, let's talk about the humanity of the situation for these kids too.

00:08:22.400 A lot of times these are people who come to Canada paying their entire life savings or their family life savings.

00:08:27.700 They end up living under a bridge or in a house with like 20 other kids.

00:08:32.260 There was all these ads about, you know, trading sexual services to get rent.

00:08:37.240 And meanwhile, these college presidents, I had a couple of them in front of our committee.

00:08:40.800 It didn't go well for them.

00:08:42.260 We were just like, oh yeah, everything's fine.

00:08:43.780 It's not a big deal.

00:08:44.720 So this is the Liberals' fault.

00:08:46.080 We've been advocating for, of course, far lower numbers there.

00:08:49.440 But there's other problems, Ezra, that are, that we're going to see in the next several years because of this sort of big bulge, this big influx that the Liberals allowed.

00:09:00.060 So for example, I asked the Liberals six months ago and they still haven't answered.

00:09:03.960 There are 3 million temporary residents in the country.

00:09:06.140 They're temporary.

00:09:06.920 Their visas are about to expire.

00:09:08.880 How are you going to get them to leave?

00:09:10.380 No answer.

00:09:11.000 And what we've seen is an increase in asylum claims, bogus asylum claims being made by people who have expiring work visas.

00:09:21.700 So, you know, this is why myself, my colleagues in the Conservative Party, we undertook a series.

00:09:28.120 I think it's the most substantive immigration reform package that has been announced in decades in Canada over the last several months,

00:09:34.540 particularly with regard to the asylum system, lowering overall immigration levels, dealing with non-citizens convicted of serious crime,

00:09:43.940 ensuring that those persons in those situations would be deported.

00:09:47.980 There needs to be wholesale reform, and that's what the focus of our fall session was.

00:09:51.740 And I think because, as we put that policy out, I think that's why you're seeing the uptake from the Canadian public on trusting the Conservative Party with immigration vis-a-vis the Liberals.

00:10:04.540 It's one thing to cut down the numbers of people still coming in, but that sounds like more growth.

00:10:11.340 In the United States, they've really cut down the number of people coming in.

00:10:16.460 They've reduced asylum claims, I think, to 15,000, 1,500.

00:10:21.240 It's multiple times that in Canada.

00:10:23.920 And they've indicated that they're going to prefer boar farmers from South Africa who are the subject of a racial purge by the South African government.

00:10:32.960 It's a very narrow asylum claim.

00:10:36.320 And the U.S. president has several times used the word remigration.

00:10:42.640 And that word is used a little bit in Scandinavia.

00:10:45.020 There are some countries that pay migrants to go home.

00:10:49.360 I saw the United Nations the other day say that one million Syrian migrants have moved back.

00:10:55.880 Syrian refugees, because the war is over, the sanctions are gone.

00:10:59.720 And so you have a million Syrians that have gone home.

00:11:02.140 They're expecting another million.

00:11:04.200 Is it time for Canada to say, OK, not only are we going to stop inward migration, 0.99

00:11:11.840 but we're going to get these folks who no longer have the right to be here out.

00:11:18.220 And in the case of maybe the Syrians, well, here's a free flight and maybe $5,000 cash. 0.99

00:11:25.220 Go back and rebuild your homeland.

00:11:26.920 It's safe now.

00:11:27.580 You can go home.

00:11:28.880 Do we have the courage to say, OK, we've served you and the crisis is over, at least in Syria.

00:11:37.900 Go home.

00:11:38.420 Well, I think we have to start with the position of stating a fact, which I know that there are people who watch your show who have migrated to Canada playing by the rules and have invested in the country by bettering themselves and bettering the country while they do it.

00:11:58.300 They're law abiding citizens who are here to build Canada.

00:12:01.200 And those are those are people who obviously, you know, these are the people that the consensus for Canadian immigration, which the Liberals broke, is built around.

00:12:11.000 So the question then becomes, what about the people who don't play by the rules or who might want to abuse the system?

00:12:18.340 And that's where I think Canadian public policy needs to be focused.

00:12:21.120 It's where I've been focused with some spicy stuff this year, for example.

00:12:24.120 Right.

00:12:24.380 So, you know, I have a private members bill.

00:12:26.820 I have I put forward multiple amendments to the Liberals Border Bill, Bill C-12, to ensure that non-citizens who are convicted of serious crime, that they're immediately deported. 0.99

00:12:37.820 Like they're right now, people in those situations can endlessly appeal their deportation.

00:12:44.480 There was a story in B.C. this week about people who are convicted of serious or sorry, I charge with serious extortion charges and then able to appeal or to claim asylum.

00:12:55.020 That's insane.

00:12:55.920 The Liberals, of course, they voted against our policy measures, but we're putting forward policy measures to ensure that if somebody is not playing by the rules in Canada, committing serious crimes like extortion, sexual assault, of course, they shouldn't be here.

00:13:08.360 Of course, they should be on a plane off the country.

00:13:10.760 And newcomers to Canada who play by the rules agree with that.

00:13:14.060 The other thing, Ezra, is you talked about the asylum system.

00:13:16.400 You know, you are very familiar with the politics of the United Kingdom and you've watched the migration issue there very much descend out of control.

00:13:26.080 And a lot of it is because of the abuse of the UK's asylum system.

00:13:30.000 In Canada, I don't know if you know this, we actually had more, both by real numbers and by percentage of population, asylum claims in Canada than the UK did during a similar period of time.

00:13:41.300 So we have to stop and we know a majority or a bulk of those cases are bogus.

00:13:47.080 And those are people who are incentive to make bogus asylum claims because it allows them to extend temporary visas or come into the country through fraudulent means and then claim government benefits.

00:13:59.300 So conservatives this fall, we, you know, we're not just talking about this, we're taking action.

00:14:04.560 I put forward amendments to Bill C-12 to ensure that people who make bogus asylum claims, people that have failed asylum claims, can't claim federal benefits beyond the most, you know, urgent emergency health care.

00:14:17.200 That's not the case right now.

00:14:18.400 People get hotel, housing, health benefits the Canadians don't get, like mental health services, right? 0.86

00:14:25.780 I could talk to you for hours about this, but I think what needs to be clear is that where the Liberals have failed and that there needs to be immediate action is that people who have broken the rules and, like, non-citizens that have, you know, been convicted of serious crimes, yes, you need to leave.

00:14:42.100 I shouldn't have to say things like people who, non-citizens who have raped little girls should be deported from Canada.

00:14:48.320 That's a no-brainer.

00:14:49.120 But then also we need to ensure that the system's not being abused so that people who are playing by the rules are prioritized, but also at the same time, to be very clear to your listeners, that the numbers are set to a point where they haven't been, which is, like, the numbers have been set to a point where housing can't keep up, health care can't keep up, and jobs can't keep up.

00:15:11.480 So, you know, I'm proud of our work this fall, and I think the fact that, again, as you mentioned on the front end of your show, you're now seeing a majority of Canadians see our policy as the right way to go on that, I think it's indicative that we're on the right path.

00:15:24.620 If you add up the number of people who their visa in some way has expired, they were here for a certain period of study, that's over, they were here for a temporary foreign job, that's over, so there's no doubt, there's no accusation that has not yet been adjudicated.

00:15:42.520 Perhaps they're an asylum claimant who has been rejected.

00:15:47.360 So if you add up people for whom it's already been decided, they are not allowed to be here, how many of those people are there in Canada?

00:15:55.840 How many?

00:15:58.400 Okay, so something that will startle you is, I don't know.

00:16:01.740 This is something that I'm trying to get at me.

00:16:03.240 Is it a million? Is it two million?

00:16:04.760 I can tell you what I do know.

00:16:06.180 There have been reports, for example, by the Globe and Mail that there's at least 500,000 undocumented, like people with expired visas or people that should leave that are definitely in the country.

00:16:18.440 Then you have that whole three million person who have expiring visas coming up that the Liberals don't have a plan.

00:16:25.260 So they're going to add to that number, right?

00:16:27.140 And then on top of that, there was a story right before the House of Commons rose that showed that Statistics Canada actually undercounted the number of temporary residents in the country or non-citizens by close to 38% in the last census.

00:16:42.480 So, like, you asked me such a good question, but the problem is the government isn't even really tracking this, right?

00:16:48.800 So how can we possibly match this to jobs or health care if they're not – or figure out removals of people who have no legal reason to be here if we don't even know what those numbers are?

00:16:59.520 So this is why I amended the bill.

00:17:01.580 We tried to amend the bill to have better reporting requirements to the House of Commons.

00:17:04.880 But, yes, I agree.

00:17:05.720 It's crazy.

00:17:07.040 So what I'm hearing from you, and I think I knew this, is that it could – it's certainly hundreds of thousands.

00:17:13.320 Yes.

00:17:13.720 It could actually be millions.

00:17:15.760 Correct.

00:17:15.940 Who have no legal basis to be here.

00:17:17.300 We were relying on them to self-deport, which is sort of funny.

00:17:21.540 It's happening in the States because I think people think, I don't want to be arrested by ICE.

00:17:25.700 I'll go – it's happening in some Scandinavian countries that paid, actually, in some cases, much more than $5,000 to go home.

00:17:33.080 But if – I'm just going to pick a random number on the low end.

00:17:35.920 Let's say half a million.

00:17:37.720 And I know it's a lot larger than that.

00:17:39.320 Would you feel comfortable, as a conservative, saying, we have to deport half a million people?

00:17:48.720 Well, if people have no legal reason to be in the country, then they have to be removed. 0.98

00:17:54.480 I mean, the immigration system doesn't work.

00:17:56.860 What's the point of having an immigration system or a temporary permit if people don't leave at the end of that permit?

00:18:04.760 It's no longer a temporary permit.

00:18:08.200 And this shouldn't be controversial to say.

00:18:10.420 If somebody is invited into the country on a temporary basis, at the end of that period of time, they have to leave.

00:18:18.440 Right?

00:18:19.460 Well, it would be very controversial.

00:18:20.880 No, no, because, like, think about this.

00:18:23.240 If that doesn't happen, then that – this is the sort of policy that completely undermines the public's confidence that the immigration system is functional.

00:18:34.000 And right now, I'm glad in Canada that people aren't pointing fingers necessarily at immigrants, right?

00:18:40.260 Like, it's a very precipitous – like, we're right on the edge of that, and I'm glad that's not happening.

00:18:44.780 People are pointing the finger at the Liberal government.

00:18:47.380 But the Liberal government has a duty to address this issue.

00:18:51.100 They can't just, you know, turn a blind eye to it and then say, okay, well, we're just going to allow people to make bogus asylum claims, right, so that they can stay in the country or work in probably inhumane conditions under the table where they're being exploited.

00:19:08.460 The system has to be brought under control, and that's why I've been asking these questions in the House of Commons.

00:19:13.020 If we make the number even lower, let's call it 365,000, that would be 1,000 people a day, enough for several large aircraft.

00:19:23.880 Now, I think that's quite doable, but it would require resolve.

00:19:28.980 It would require tasking probably, you know, expanding a particular police force, whether it's something like ICE in the States or maybe the RCMP or border.

00:19:39.160 It would, like, there's a lot of logistics involved, I mean, to remove them to where and how.

00:19:46.380 Like, that's a big undertaking, and I can imagine a lot of people objecting legal challenges.

00:19:53.120 You have Mayor Chow in Toronto declare the city a sanctuary city.

00:19:56.920 She's probably already done that. 0.96

00:19:58.040 Does the Conservative Party of Canada have the will and the steely nerve to look down the barrel of the regime media who will call you racist, call you xenophobic, call you Trump-like, if you actually tried to put into action even a fraction of the deportations necessary?

00:20:17.560 And I picked a very low number.

00:20:19.060 That's right. I've already been called all of those things for years.

00:20:21.720 I was the first one to say that it was insane for them to hashtag welcome to Canada tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people illegally across the border at Roxham Road.

00:20:33.420 That was one of the main things that led to the loss of immigration consensus.

00:20:38.600 This is something Conservatives have been advocating for for 10 years, in spite of all the things that happened to you.

00:20:44.020 Because at the end of the day, if you want the immigration system to work, you know, people leaving at the end of their visas is a key part of that.

00:20:53.640 So, like, just as another proof point on this, it was the first, my first, I think it was my first question to Lina Diab.

00:21:00.880 There's been a lot of terrible immigration ministers, but she's right up there.

00:21:03.960 After the election was, there are untold number of people, like you said, at least 500,000 people in the country that need to be removed.

00:21:14.340 What's your plan to do that?

00:21:15.860 I still don't have an answer to that question, but it's something the Liberals have to get on.

00:21:19.800 And this is why we've been unrelenting on that issue.

00:21:23.840 So, you know, I think the proof is in, like, in terms of asking for a common sense, humane, rule-following process that's already in law.

00:21:35.220 Like, Ezra, we're not asking for anything that's not already in the law.

00:21:38.520 We're just asking for the law to be enforced.

00:21:41.820 Like, I think, like, I don't think that beyond, like, a far-left fringe, there aren't, like, this is a pretty normative position in Canada.

00:21:49.740 You've been very generous with your time.

00:21:52.480 I have just one last question, and it's a little bit personal.

00:21:55.120 It's about the neighborhood I live in.

00:21:56.560 I live in Toronto, in a fairly Jewish neighborhood.

00:21:59.040 And every weekend, for about a year now, a group of, and they're foreign nationals, or at least they certainly, that's what they say when I ask them where they're from.

00:22:09.580 These are not folks born in Canada.

00:22:12.560 I don't know their exact immigration status.

00:22:15.200 Some of them are more famous than others because they've been arrested for various crimes.

00:22:18.860 But every weekend for more than a year, a pro-Hamas group, and I'm not exaggerating, they support Hamas, they say so, has been shouting at local Jews with PA systems, blocking, they go for walks in residential neighborhoods, screaming at any Jews they find.

00:22:36.340 It's truly shocking.

00:22:38.020 But to me, the most shocking part of it is that these are people who are either still guests of our country as temporary workers or students, or maybe they've become naturalized.

00:22:48.400 I don't know.

00:22:49.480 But they're not Canadians. 0.96

00:22:51.480 They're people who have come to Canada making certain promises to be good citizens, and either before they've been naturalized or afterwards, they're tearing the community apart.

00:23:00.560 And after the shootings in Australia, I'm even more worried that something terrible will happen.

00:23:06.880 Do you have anything to say about people who are not yet naturalized, who participate in hateful, if not necessarily criminal conduct?

00:23:17.800 Like, you already talked about criminals, but even someone who's not breaking the law but is still spewing venom, is that someone you would consider perhaps revoking their privileges to be here if they were not locked into the country as citizens?

00:23:33.740 Well, if you'll indulge me in a little bit of a rant, I'm going to start with saying something that I think is really important, which is I think part of the problem is the fact that there is entrenched anti-Semitism and hate in senior Canadian institutions that are perpetuated by Canadians. 0.52

00:23:53.900 I'm talking about academic institutions, senior levels of the public service, where you see, you know, like you just see blatant anti-Semitism.

00:24:03.520 You know, like they almost appointed, you know, somebody who had some pretty sketchy words to the Human Rights Tribunal, right?

00:24:10.440 Like, there's all sorts of instances of that.

00:24:14.540 But this is important because, you know, as you talk about non-citizens, and I think what you're getting at is the issue of integration, right? 0.98

00:24:21.320 If you come to Canada, what are you integrating into?

00:24:24.440 What are the behaviors and norms that Canadians expect newcomers to Canada to adhere to?

00:24:32.620 And if you go into the citizenship guide, it actually says in the citizenship guide, so this is the liberal citizenship guide, that newcomers to Canada are expected to abandon any violent or extreme ideology, as well as hateful prejudices.

00:24:46.000 That's an expectation that we have for people coming to the country.

00:24:49.600 So then the question then becomes, how are the people that are Canadians, that are in these senior positions that hold these anti-Semitic beliefs, how are they allowed to allow those beliefs to perpetuate and proliferate to the point where we're not enforcing laws that allows anybody, newcomer alike, to get away with some of the behavior that you're talking about?

00:25:14.640 And that is at the heart of this question here.

00:25:16.840 You know, for me, the law is clear.

00:25:18.280 You know, we have laws for newcomers that they're supposed to adhere to, and if they don't adhere to them, they're supposed to be removed. 1.00

00:25:25.120 But what happens, Ezra, is you have law enforcement, senior politicians, academics that say, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, that shouldn't be enforced.

00:25:32.520 And then in the judiciary, you have all of this leniency.

00:25:35.620 So if it's miraculously enforced and there's a conviction, there's endless appeal opportunities to happen.

00:25:41.580 And the end result is that the end result and the end message to newcomers is don't worry about that section.

00:25:50.060 And we were just joking.

00:25:51.960 And to me, that is anti, like, that's fundamental to Canadian, like, it's antithetical to Canadian pluralism, to the respect for the rule of law.

00:25:59.940 And it's antithetical to the concept that if you come to Canada, you enjoy a lot of privileges, but you have a lot of responsibilities, too.

00:26:08.520 And I think after a decade of liberal post-nationalism, we have to start about talking about the value of Canadian citizenship and integrating into fundamental aspects of Canadian pluralism, like respect for the rule of law.

00:26:22.520 I just want to, I'll just close with my rant with this.

00:26:25.120 The level of anti-Semitism that we've seen in Canada, perpetuated across and normalized by politicians, academic leaders, journalists, is disgusting.

00:26:36.840 And, you know, there aren't strong enough words to condemn it.

00:26:43.420 Now we need action.

00:26:44.320 And this is why a lot of the policies that I've put forward, I've forced the liberals to vote on this year, have been related to restoring those principles.

00:26:52.440 But the fight continues.

00:26:54.060 And it's a fight that I am very willing to take on.

00:26:58.800 Well, I'm very grateful to you for your time and for your candor.

00:27:01.420 And I look forward to following you in this battle.

00:27:04.680 And hopefully we can catch up again in the new year.

00:27:07.400 Thanks for your time.

00:27:08.300 Thank you very much.

00:27:09.040 There she is, Michelle Rempel-Garner, the immigration critic for the official opposition.

00:27:13.520 That's our show for today.

00:27:14.940 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.

00:27:20.320 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:27:22.240 Keep fighting for freedom! 0.96

00:27:25.240 Shame on you, you censorious bug!

00:27:28.300 Shame on you, Michelle Rempel-Garner, the immigration critic, and the immigration critic. 0.85

Rebel News Podcast - December 17, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ A feature interview with the Conservative Party's immigration critic, Michelle Rempel Garner

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