EZRA LEVANT ｜ A Toronto Jewish school received a bomb threat, prompting evacuations. Who is organizing these antisemitic attacks？
Summary
1,000 Jewish children were forced to evacuate their school because of a bomb threat, not in Israel, but right here in Canada. And I ll show you the deafening silence of Justin Trudeau's response. That's all I had.
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Hello, my friends. Tonight, I talk about a thousand Jewish children who were forced to
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evacuate their school because of a bomb threat, not in Israel, but right here in Canada. And I'll
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show you the deafening silence of Trudeau's response. That's all I had. But first, let me
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Hi, everybody. I'm in Calgary. Behind me, Christmas decorations. We're almost at that
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time of year. I'm in town because last night I was at the Ben Shapiro speech in Calgary. And
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tomorrow, Rebel News Live is having our day-long conservative conference. It's amazing. So many
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great people are going to be there. A lot of rebel on-screen talent. Sheila Gunn-Reed, myself,
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David Menzies, Drea Humphrey, Alexa Lavoie. It's going to be a ton of talent, plus a lot of our
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friends from the world of ideas, whether it's Billboard Chris. There'll be a conservative MP
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bringing word from that party. There'll be Tamara Leach playing with her husband, a musical interlude.
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Did you know she's in a rock band? That's all tomorrow. But let me get back to the news of the day.
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As I mentioned, 1,000 Jews from Canada's largest Jewish high school were evacuated because there
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was a bomb threat. Here's a copy of the threat itself. Whether or not it was a hoax, it looks
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like it was a hoax, but that still has the desired effect of terrorizing and terrifying 1,000 students
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and their parents. The whole place was evacuated. The kids were taken to a nearby synagogue to shelter
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in place. And not a peep from Justin Trudeau at the hour I'm recording this. He's busy hobnobbing
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with, well, looking by his Twitter feed, the world's worst anti-Semites. Here he is with Anwar
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Ibrahim, like he said, the president of Malaysia now, who has an atrocious track record of saying
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anti-Semitic things. But of course, let me ask you, if the largest Muslim high school in Canada
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had a bomb threat that everyone had to flee, do you think Trudeau would ignore the matter?
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It's pretty gross, but we're sort of used to Trudeau doing that now. He was asked today
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about Xi Jinping, the Chinese dictator who recently visited San Francisco for a meeting of various
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world leaders. Let me show you two videos back to back. Here's Joe Biden being asked if he believes
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that Xi Jinping is a dictator. And miraculously, Sleepy Joe actually gets it right.
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And then after today, would you still refer to President Xi as a dictator?
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Well, look, he is. I mean, he's a dictator in the sense that he is a guy who runs a country that
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is a communist country that is based on a former government totally different than ours.
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So Joe Biden, who has an enormous and important relationship with China, says, yeah,
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he's a dictator. Justin Trudeau, that fool, that coward who had two Canadians held his hostage
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for nearly three years, when he was asked the same questions, he refused to say that Xi Jinping
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Steve Chase, Globe and Mail. Would you describe Xi Jinping as a dictator?
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Look, China's a one-party state. I don't think anyone would call it a democracy.
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In 2013, you described China as a basic dictatorship.
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Mr. Xi was already in charge. Mr. Biden, the President of the United States, which our security
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guarantor also called him a dictator. Why won't you call him that?
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Listen, we can get into all sorts of different definitions. The fact is, he's not running a
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You know, what's so weird about that is that Trudeau praised China for being a basic dictatorship
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just a few years ago. Remember when he told that to a loving group of liberal donors?
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There's a level of admiration I actually have for China.
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Um, because their, you know, basic dictatorship is allowing them, uh, to actually turn their
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economy around on a dime and say, we need to go green as fast as we need to start, you
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know, investing in solar. I mean, there is a flexibility that I know Stephen Harper must
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dream about of having a dictatorship that he could do everything he wanted.
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You know, Trudeau is harder on the modern democracy, the state of Israel, than he is on the atrocious
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dictatorship of China. That's so gross. Anyways, we dispatched a cameraman, uh, to the school
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in Toronto that faced the bomb threat. Here's a report on the scene from our reporter, Lincoln Jay.
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Well, this morning the school received an email, uh, threat of explosives in the building.
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Uh, they immediately called 911. Uh, police were here within minutes. They evacuated the
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school and put them, uh, put the students at Beth Emmett, uh, where they were sent home
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for the day. So there's an all clear here. Uh, there's no threat. Uh, it was obviously
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a hoax, but it's still, it still occurs at a dangerous time, uh, where we need everybody
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to tone down the temperature and to make sure Toronto stays safe and hate free.
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Do we know any of the details about where the threat came from? Anything like that?
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The police are investigating it right now. We don't know where the threat originated from.
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It came in by email. I trust that, uh, you know, I, I, I trust that police will fully investigate
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it. These are the kinds of crimes that you absolutely have to pursue vigorously because
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when you've got people who will go to this lane, you don't know how far they'll go.
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Do you think you're going to see a, uh, a heightened security police presence at Jewish schools,
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synagogues in the Toronto area? Well, we already have, uh, we have police at our synagogues or
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we have police at, uh, Jewish schools as well as private security. Some of them are on duty.
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Some of their, some of them are paid duty. Uh, but you know, the, the, the reality is that
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tens of thousands of dollars every week are being sucked from the Jewish community to be safe in a
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city that should be safe. And there shouldn't be this fear in a city like Toronto. So we need
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politicians from all levels of government to condemn hate in all its forms, to say that there's
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zero tolerance and to make sure there's a strong statement against the roving mobs, uh, that are
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singing hateful chants in our downtown. Final, final question slash comment. What do you have to say
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about the fact that we're now seeing, you know, kids in Toronto being, you know, targeted as a result
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of this conflict? You know, it's very scary and, uh, it's, it's, it's a new, it's a new low. Uh,
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I don't know what kind of person would, would do this. Uh, it's shameful. It's, uh, it's hurtful.
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It sends people home, uh, worried and scared. Uh, and that's not what we want in Toronto. We want
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people to feel confident that they can go about their daily lives in peace and security and freedom
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and not be subject to harassment and hate. And that's exactly what this is. Well, thankfully,
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it was an idle threat, but like I say, the terror was transmitted. Canada is no longer safe. And,
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um, I think it was Trudeau himself who sort of gave moral permission to every anti-Semite to act
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out in that way. And I can't just put it all on Trudeau, although by far he's been the worst. Uh,
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premiers and mayors have most often been silent too, because they can do the same math. Trudeau can.
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There are now five times as many Muslim Canadians as there are Jewish Canadians. And although I would like
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to hope most Muslims don't support this violence, a significant number of them do. And Trudeau wants
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their votes. Uh, speaking of which, in Calgary last night, Ben Shapiro gave a speech to a couple
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thousand people. Some pro-Hamas protesters were there, which is interesting because it was on
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reserve land, which is sort of a public-private hybrid. You can't just go on an Indian reserve
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without being invited. They have the political authority to kick you out. So, uh, it was odd to me,
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in a way that protesters were there, given that the band was hosting, uh, Ben Shapiro. But in
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another way, I think that was sort of an interesting management of the public square. The protesters
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were allowed to attend, but they were very tightly policed in court and off, which I thought was
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fairly appropriate. Although many of the chants, they said, clearly violated hate speech laws,
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and they may have even violated the criminal co-provisions of providing assistance to terror
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groups. Here's a little bit of video from last night.
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Fuck you! This is an active story! This is an active story! This is an active story!
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You are serious! You are serious! You are serious!
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Ezra Levant here in Calgary. I'm outside the Tsutena Nation. When I was a kid, it was called the
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Sarsi Reserve. And, uh, it's an enormous casino and event complex, which is a perfect place for Ben
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Shapiro to speak. And there's an enormous crowd. The lineup is huge. They've opened up extra parking
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lots. I don't know how many folks are here, but it's got to be one of the largest political gatherings
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in recent times in Calgary. I chatted with a few folks in line. Here's what they had to say.
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I think it's fantastic, as people are here to just hear every side of the story of what's going on.
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And I think it's a great opportunity for us to come out and support Ben Shapiro.
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The turnout looks like a large turnout for the Ben Shapiro event. What do you think of that?
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I think it's awesome. I was actually shocked at how many people were actually here.
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Why do you think, uh, why do you think it's such a strong turnout?
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Support for Israel, support for justice, and, uh, free Palestine from Hamas.
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What's interesting is the protesters across the way don't make any bones about it. They're reaching for
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that Holocaust and Nazi iconography, which is a kind of anti-Semitism to accuse Jews
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of being Nazis, but that's nothing new. I guess that's a freedom of speech they have here in
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Canada that they don't have in Gaza. What do you make of the fact that this is reserve land?
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So you can't just come on it without an invitation, but what's your view on having them here?
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I don't understand why they would have them here in the first place. It doesn't make sense. It's private
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property. They're hosting, uh, somebody to come speak with us, which we choose to do and they're making
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money on. Why would you bring the opposition or some sort of opposition when this has absolutely
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nothing to do with Israel in itself right now? I'm surprised that Sutina is letting them protest here.
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Well, I, I'm glad Sutina is letting them protest. They're, they're keeping them under wraps,
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but I think it's a free speech moment. What do you think? I think so too. And it's good.
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It's good optics. That's the thing. In Gaza, if you were to protest against
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someone you didn't like in Hamas, you'd wind up dead. That's why I get a kick out of those
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gays for Palestine or LGBTQ for Hamas. They would be thrown off a roof. Free speech is alive
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in Canada. And I have to salute the Sutina nation police force who have things well in hand.
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As well, our friend Adam Sos sat down with Ben Shapiro to ask him a few questions during his trip to
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Canada. We clearly live in a sort of world of double, double standard selective enforcement. And
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that's glaringly obvious when you see it, whether it, whether it be BLM or pro Hamas protests,
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they can shout genocidal slogans, break stuff, fight people, do whatever they,
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they wish there's no consequence. By contrast, we saw the freedom convoy that was entirely
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peaceful. They received harsh treatment, frozen bank accounts, horse tramplings.
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Where did this sort of structural division come from?
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So I think that in the end where it comes from is a false binary between oppressor and oppressed.
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And this really has its roots in Marxist theory. The idea that there's an oppressor class and
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there's an oppressed class. And the more unsuccessful you are, the more oppressed you,
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you therefore already been exploited by the system. You're not responsible for your own
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failures. That's the fault of the system. And then that got grafted in the last 40,
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50 years away from class and onto race. And so the idea then was, if you're a member of a race,
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that race earns less than other races. For example, you are now a member of an oppressed
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race. And that means that you've been exploited and you can then do anything you want to the
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oppressor class. And it got grafted onto a sort of decolonization narrative that was originally
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pushed by Frans Fanon and Jean-Paul Sartre and kind of bled its way both down and up.
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And so now what you see is this idea that if you are a pro-chemist protester, then this means that
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you're fighting the oppressor and therefore you can do literally anything up to and including
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slaughtering babies in their cribs and everybody will basically be okay with that. Whereas if you
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are a disproportionately white group of people who are protesting because your jobs have been taken
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away from you, then you're part of the oppressor class. It doesn't matter if you are not wealthy.
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It doesn't matter. None of that matters. You're part of the oppressor class because you've
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participated in the capitalist system and because you even have a job and because of your color.
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And that really is truly ugly stuff. You know, I've attended a number of these pro-Hamas protests
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in person and our staff have attended them all around the world, including Alexa Lavoie, who did a
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great job in London, England recently. And I've seen these kind of protests for years, including in
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Toronto, where every year the embassy — or there's no embassy, rather — the agents of Iran, the Islamic
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Republic of Iran, organize a hateful day called the Al-Quds Day, which is basically a big day of
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anti-Semitism. And they've done it for years, even though it's clearly orchestrated by the government
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of Iran, which is an Islamic dictatorship. A few days ago, Global News — got to give them credit — did an
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incredible expose on the political activities of the Islamic Republic of Iran in Canada, including
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by their terrorist group, the Islamic Republican Guard, the Iranian Republican Guard, which other
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countries have designated as a terror group, but Trudeau will not. Let me show you an excerpt from that
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An Ontario man who lost his wife and daughter in the tragedy of Ukraine Airlines Flight 752 is
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speaking out to Global News about the threat he faces. Hamid Esmailioun says he can't escape the
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Iranian regime, even in Canada. This summer, he was reportedly the target of public threats made
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by a man visiting Canada as a tourist. That man is a former senior minister in the Iranian government.
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As Negar Moshtehedi explains, that incident has raised some troubling questions about Canada's security.
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You might not recognize this man in the background of a news report on Quebec tourism this past summer.
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But the Iranian diaspora did. His name is Sayed Hassan Qazizadeh Hashemi. He's a former Iranian senior
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minister reportedly vacationing in Canada. He was part of the same administration responsible for shooting
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down Ukraine Airlines Flight 752 in January of 2020. Dozens of Canadians were killed, including
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Hamid Esmailioun's wife and nine-year-old daughter. It was outrageous for the whole community.
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Esmailioun couldn't believe it and called out the Canadian government.
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He was not an ordinary person. You see that he had a photo with Hassan Nasrullah,
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the leader of Hezbollah, which is a terrorist organization in this country.
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In response to Esmailioun's calls to have him deported, the former minister reportedly fired
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back with a threat. He was quoted in this Iranian magazine saying,
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I will retaliate against the treachery of the foreign media outlets and Hamid Esmailioun.
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It made me angry actually. Why? He's here and he threatens everybody he wants.
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In late August, Canada's immigration minister tweeted that Hashemi's application for temporary
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residents was denied and that he was being barred for three years due to, quote,
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Iran's disregard for human rights. It's just a slap in the face of the community here.
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This BC immigration lawyer has spent a lot of time documenting what he says is the huge number
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of Iranian regime officials and their associates who are in Canada. We have about 700 names right now
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that are either have temporary residents, permanent residents or citizenship that are in Canada and
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that are somehow regime affiliates. We're still counting, so it's going to be closer to a thousand.
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Esmailioun, labeled as an enemy of the Islamic Republic, is always watching his back,
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not able to escape the regime he thought he could leave behind, even in Canada.
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The Islamic Republic's agents are everywhere in this country, everywhere.
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Could you imagine as many as 700 foreign agents for the government of Iran running around in Canada,
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terrorizing and terrifying democratic-oriented Iranians, but also organizing so many of these hate rallies?
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Remember, Hamas itself is organized and funded by Iran,
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and so too many of these rallies around the world are organized by Iran. You know from your own life,
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I'm sure, that political things just don't happen without organization. Political parties expend
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enormous effort getting their people to turn out at rallies. I know myself as a former political candidate
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and, frankly, as someone who hosts events like our Rebel News Live tomorrow, it takes effort to get people
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to turn out. And so the more of these events I see, the more I see how orchestrated, funded, and planned
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they are. For example, look at this tweet showing prefabricated pro-Hamas signs en masse about to be
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distributed. I think that it is so clear from observing who is at these protests that they are not an organic,
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spontaneous movement. Like, I will not deny that there are people who are responding to these professional
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organizer efforts. You can't get 100,000 people to march in London. Not all of them are Iranian agents,
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but you probably had a thousand people working to organize them, foreign entities, but also Socialist
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Workers' Party and other left-wing groups. But I was looking at the crazy case of Leith Marouf, the anti-Semite
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that Trudeau actually hired to promote anti-racism. And look at some of his recent tweets, absolutely
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insane on the racist-o-meter. And yet he was hired as an anti-hate expert. And so it dawned on me
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that actually a leading source of anti-Semitism and, frankly, anti-white hatred, if I may, in Canada comes
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from the anti-racism industry, particularly anti-racism called DEI, Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion.
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Those are professional paid offices, typically at banks, at universities, at police forces,
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at other large quasi-public institutions, who on the face of it are there for unity. But they're not
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really there for unity. Equity and inclusion are not about unity and assimilation and integration.
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They're about including in the West contrary voices to the West. They're about decolonization. And what
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does decolonization mean? It's cultural Marxism, which means the oppressed get to do anything to get
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the oppressors. And so so many of these hate marches across Canada and the United States and the United
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Kingdom are actually organized, not just by foreign agents like Global News has discovered about Iran,
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and not just by the Socialist Workers' Party and the Communist Party, anything to batter the
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establishment, but actually the anti-racism industry itself. Now, of course, you also have public sector
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unions. You can't look anywhere these days in Canada. One of these hate rallies without seeing,
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for example, Fred Hahn of CUPE is really gross. I think a good way to look at these pro-Hamas rallies
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is to realize the template set by the Black Lives Matter movement under Barack Obama. Black Lives Matter
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is an idea, but it's also a corporation. It's an organization. It's a political movement. And during
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some very bloody and fiery riots, it was also a street militia designed to promote shock tactics,
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to destabilize Donald Trump in the later years of the Black Lives Matter movement. And it was all
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based on woke, critical theory. Like I said, the oppressed getting to do anything against the
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oppressors. That's the unifying theory. That's why you have gay rights activists siding with Hamas that
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would normally kill them in Gaza. So it was interesting to see this story published in the Free Press, which is
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an independent news source, going deep into some of the funders of the recent pro-Hamas protests.
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Let me quote Neville Roy Singham and his wife Jody Evans. Since 2017, Singham has been the main
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funder of the People's Forum, which has co-organized at least four protests after 1400 innocent Israelis
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were slaughtered by Hamas on October 7th. One rally in Times Square happened on October 8th,
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before Israel had even counted its dead. My point is that, of course, there are genuine
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Palestinians and other Arabs and Muslims who are genuinely concerned about what's happening in
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Gaza. I'm sure that's true, and I can understand that. By the way, look at this recent poll from
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Gaza and the West Bank, and I'm not sure how accurate polls in those places are. People are probably too
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afraid to speak out to pollsters. But three-quarters of Palestinians support Hamas, and I find that
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terrifying. I'm not saying there is no organic, natural antipathy towards Israel. Of course there
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is. Anti-Semitism is the oldest hatred. But it is being whipped up by professional activists with
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money, just like George Soros bankrolled Black Lives Matter. There are millionaires bankrolling
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these hate marches around the world. And I tell you that because, in a way, it makes me feel better to
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know that some of what we see is artificial, that it's ginned up by professional organizers and by
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foreign countries like Iran. And it also gives us a path to how to fight back. I think step one
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is to expose the funders and the true nature of these protests. But it also calls for the implementation of
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certain foreign laws. For example, in Canada, we don't have a foreign agent registry, something that
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would catch not just Iran's activities here, but China's too. That's one of the reasons we set up
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DeportHamas.com about a month ago and started taking our billboard truck around cities. My point is,
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if someone is a foreign national here at these hate marches, they should be given the boot. If they're
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a Canadian citizen, they have certain rights here, freedom of speech, even if it is odious ideas,
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as long as they don't go so far as to actually provide help to a terrorist group, which is under
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the criminal code. But for foreign nationals, if you're coming to a hate rally to shout swears and
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other accusations and insults and anti-Semitism at a Ben Shapiro event, if you're coming there to
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to promote anti-Semitism and you're a foreign national, frankly, get the hell out. So those are my
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thoughts on this day when 1,000 Jewish children had to flee their school because of a terrorist bomb
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threat. And Trudeau's lack of response tells you, really, everything you need to know. Stay with us.
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So this is your 4 Rebel News and we are on location at the Grey Eagle Event Center just outside of
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Calgary for Ben Shapiro Live. It is an event that is being hosted by the Wilberforce Project,
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a pro-life political organization that is active here in Alberta. As the name of the event suggests,
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the star of the evening will be Ben Shapiro, political pundit, co-founder of The Daily Wire
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and host of The Ben Shapiro Show. We were very fortunate to secure an exclusive interview with
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the man himself. Well, Ben, thanks so much for joining me. I really appreciate it. I'm going to
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get straight into some questions here. I suppose my first question for you would be, we clearly live
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in a sort of world of double standard selective enforcement and that's glaringly obvious when you
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see it, whether it be BLM or pro-Hamas protests, they can shout genocidal slogans, break stuff,
00:25:15.040
fight people, do whatever they wish. There's no consequence. By contrast, we saw the Freedom Convoy
00:25:19.760
that was entirely peaceful. They received harsh treatment, frozen bank accounts, horse tramplings.
00:25:24.480
Where did this sort of structural division come from? So I think that in the end where it comes
00:25:28.960
from is a false binary between oppressor and oppressed. And this really has its roots in Marxist
00:25:34.560
theory. The idea that there's an oppressor class and there's an oppressed class and the more
00:25:38.560
unsuccessful you are, the more oppressed you therefore are and you've been exploited by the system.
00:25:42.240
You're not responsible for your own failures. That's the fault of the system. And then that got
00:25:46.240
grafted in the last 40, 50 years away from class and onto race. And so the idea then was if you're
00:25:51.680
a member of a race and that race earns less than other races, for example, you are now a member of
00:25:56.160
an oppressed race and that means that you've been exploited and you can then do anything you want
00:26:01.040
to the oppressor class. It got grafted onto a sort of decolonization narrative that was originally
00:26:05.120
pushed by Frantz Fanon and Jean-Paul Sartre and kind of bled its way both down and up. And so now what you see
00:26:10.720
is this idea that if you are a pro-Khamas protester, then this means that you're fighting
00:26:15.920
the oppressor and therefore you can do literally anything up to and including slaughtering babies
00:26:19.600
in their cribs and everybody will basically be okay with that. Whereas if you are a disproportionately
00:26:25.120
white group of people who are protesting because your jobs have been taken away from you,
00:26:29.040
then you're part of the oppressor class. It doesn't matter if you are not wealthy. It doesn't matter.
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None of that matters. You're part of the oppressor class because you've participated in the capitalist
00:26:36.560
system and because you even have a job and because of your color. And that really is truly ugly stuff.
00:26:41.680
Now, another group that would certainly participate in the suppression language
00:26:45.200
would be that sort of anti-hate groups or the even diversity inclusion type groups on campuses and
00:26:50.800
workplaces right across the board, even in government. One of the things that I've noticed
00:26:54.640
lately, though, is that there's been a sort of concerted shift. If, say, a Muslim group is
00:27:00.720
shouting anti-Semitic slogans or BLM protesters shouting anti-white slogans, that's completely
00:27:06.960
fine. These groups seem to exclusively target even the most minor instances of inappropriateness
00:27:12.080
by the people who wouldn't be considered oppressed. Yeah, that's right. I mean, because it's a power
00:27:18.000
game. And I think that we grant their premise when we pretend that there's an actual legitimate
00:27:22.160
shred of truth to the thing that they're saying. Yeah. It isn't. It's a power struggle. They say this.
00:27:25.600
They say all institutions are creations of power dynamics. They say that everything up to and
00:27:31.360
including things like freedom of speech are a reflection of underlying power dynamics.
00:27:34.640
And that really is projection. The way they think about everything is in terms of power dynamics. And
00:27:39.280
so they are exercising power over you by claiming victimhood when they're not actually victimized.
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And then they're expecting you to bow to them and come to heel. And that's the more offended you are
00:27:49.200
and the more you cave to that, the more power they have. And that's why the only answer to it is to
00:27:53.040
basically throw up a middle finger and say you're not oppressed and I'm not oppressing you and you're
00:27:56.560
just going to have to deal with that. Now, since what we've seen since the Hamas terrorist attack
00:28:00.400
in Israel, do you think that President Trump was right to suggest that places with high risks of
00:28:05.920
terrorism, that we should be ceasing all immigration from those places or outright banning it? Yes. I mean,
00:28:09.840
I thought that he was right when he said it. I mean, the location-based immigration ban was not only
00:28:16.560
correct, it was in place for part of the Obama administration. I mean, there were certain places where you just
00:28:20.320
cannot vet people from those places. Now, it doesn't have to be religion-specific. And this
00:28:24.560
was the difference between some of the stuff that Trump originally said and then what it ended up
00:28:27.680
being. So what he originally said was like, Muslim ban. Nobody gets hit if you're Muslim. And I said,
00:28:31.440
well, that's a little overbroad. I mean, there are certainly moderate Muslims who you might want
00:28:34.560
to let in your country. If they're well-qualified, they add to the country. They can get a good job and
00:28:38.880
all the rest of that sort of thing. But, you know, when it comes to countries, like, how do you know who the
00:28:43.920
hell's coming in from Syria? Yeah. How do you know who's coming in from the Gaza Strip? And the idea of widespread
00:28:48.640
immigration availability from countries that have cultures that are not remotely like Western
00:28:53.440
cultures and, in fact, cultures that deeply hate Western cultures. That's a horrible idea. I saw a
00:28:58.000
poll out actually today of Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip and found that 75 percent of
00:29:03.120
them approved of the October 7th attacks. And when it came to, you know, what percentage of them wanted
00:29:08.480
to obliterate the state of Israel completely, it was in the high 80s. So all this talk about how it's a bunch
00:29:13.440
of moderate, peace-loving people. That doesn't mean that they're members of Hamas and they're not being
00:29:16.800
targeted like members of Hamas. Israel's doing a good job of trying to avoid that. But it does mean
00:29:21.120
that pretending all populations hold the same belief system is ridiculous. No. So if folks are
00:29:25.120
newcomers to a country, they haven't acquired citizenship yet, if they're participating in
00:29:29.600
violent protests or calling for genocidal eradications, out. They should go. They should go.
00:29:34.160
100 percent. We have no obligation in the West to ship in people who hate our civilization or who
00:29:39.600
identify with terrorist groups. That's ridiculous. Yeah. Why do you think it is that Justin Trudeau,
00:29:44.240
I mean, lots of the sort of woke leaders around the world are so partial or at least deferential
00:29:48.880
towards Hamas and maybe even a bit critical of Israel? I think that, again, that oppressor
00:29:54.480
oppressed matrix cannot be undermined under any circumstances in their viewpoint. Israel is a
00:30:00.160
quote unquote oppressor state specifically because it is a successful Western state in a very unsuccessful
00:30:06.480
region of the world. And so when Justin Trudeau and a lot of people like him look at the Israelis
00:30:11.840
versus the Palestinians, they don't see a long history of conflict with one side legitimately
00:30:17.040
stating they would obliterate the other completely. Well, what they see instead is very powerful,
00:30:21.840
large military, many white people. And on the other side, many poor brown people. And because of that,
00:30:28.640
that means that the Israelis are inherently the bad guys and they must have done something
00:30:31.760
exploitative in order to create that binary. And that's the best thing to do is weapons down.
00:30:37.200
That'll bring back the peace negotiations, diplomacy. Now you can say that that's ignorant
00:30:41.360
and maybe for a lot of people, it may be ignorant. It can also be malicious because there comes a
00:30:44.800
certain point where, I mean, when you're talking about a group that literally slaughters
00:30:48.240
babies in their cribs and rapes women and drags them back to the hellhole that is Gaza.
00:30:52.800
At that point, I think negotiations should probably be off the table. And I don't see exactly why that
00:30:56.560
that should be a matter of moral equivalence. Right. Now, Trudeau has embraced the sort of Marxist
00:31:01.200
mentality on every single issue on a level I think is probably unrivaled by any leader in the world,
00:31:06.000
potentially. And he does this despite the fact that there's massive backlash both at home and abroad,
00:31:11.120
G7 allies, Five Eyes allies. The international community doesn't look at Canada in the same way
00:31:15.920
it does. Why are political leaders like him so ideologically and dogmatically married
00:31:20.640
to progressive agendas, even when everyone's saying, please, just stop?
00:31:23.520
I think there's a sense in which it makes them feel very good about themselves.
00:31:26.240
I think there's something very self flattering about dissociating from, you know, the the elite
00:31:31.360
class and saying, well, you know, but I'm not like them. I'm not like them. I'm really I'm my own.
00:31:35.360
I'm with you. I'm with the oppressed people. And, you know, I know that I'm privileged. And Justin
00:31:39.200
Trudeau is a very privileged human being, one of the most privileged human beings ever to walk the
00:31:42.320
earth. And so for him and for a lot of people who are like that, the way that you shed yourself of
00:31:46.720
the privilege is by trying to ally yourself with the oppressed and the marginalized. And so he's certainly
00:31:51.840
doing that in heavy measure. Handsome Bernie Sanders is what I've been calling him for years
00:31:57.120
on on the program. And he is a disgrace to his office. And I look forward to him leaving.
00:32:00.720
Now, to what extent? Obviously, 84 percent of Canadians want new leadership. To what extent do
00:32:04.880
you think that these people actually believe that? And to what extent are people within their offices
00:32:09.200
or they themselves simply use utilizing the language of the left to achieve their ends?
00:32:13.280
I think that there's a hardcore base that actually understands what they're saying.
00:32:16.960
Yeah. And then I think there are a lot of fellow travelers who and this is one of the great
00:32:19.920
sins of the West who are just trying to be nice. Saying, I just don't want to be offensive.
00:32:23.040
You know, is it really nice to call out people when they say that they feel oppressed? Is it nice
00:32:27.520
to tell them that they're not and that really they should get their act together? And as Jordan
00:32:31.920
Peterson says, make your bet. Like, is that a nice thing to say? And that niceness is really dangerous
00:32:36.960
because when you say to people, I'm too shy to tell you to get your act together, what you're really
00:32:42.000
saying is you think they're incompetent. You think they're foolish. You think that you need to
00:32:45.280
paternalistically take care of them and fix their life for them. And it makes a lot of people feel good
00:32:49.360
about themselves and it makes them a lot of people feel like they're being virtuous. But the reality
00:32:53.360
is that the people you're closest to tend to be also the people you give the most correctives to.
00:32:56.240
The members of your family are the people who you say, well, you know, you could do X better.
00:33:00.000
Yeah. I say this to my kids all the time. Like, they come home from school and they didn't do great
00:33:03.600
on a test. I'll be like, well, that's why we need to study. Let's sit down. We'll study right now.
00:33:07.040
It's not nice to say to my kid, you know, you did your best. You're actually kind of dumb. Like, you got to see.
00:33:11.840
And you're going to get C's from here on out because let's face it. And we're going to make provision for you.
00:33:15.680
Like that'd be a terrible thing to do as a parent, an awful evil thing to do as a parent. But we do
00:33:20.080
do that as a society. Well, you're kind of touching on fraternal correction there. And a question that
00:33:23.920
I have for you, we talk a lot about sort of the left's disconnect from reality. But we have seen,
00:33:28.800
I mean, especially we have to we have to work on our credibility in Canada. We're fighting state
00:33:32.160
funded media giants. So we have to be careful. But we have seen a number of pundits around the world
00:33:37.360
on the conservative side who sometimes embrace maybe or go down ideological rabbit holes that aren't
00:33:41.920
evidence based. So you you're kind of known for saying facts over feelings. How critical is it
00:33:46.160
for people on the right or conservatives to be sure that they're self-examining and that they're
00:33:50.240
checking their own confirmation? And I think that on a moral level, I think very, very serious. I
00:33:54.080
think that we have an incentive structure that rewards fast over correct. Yeah. So right now,
00:33:58.080
the way that it tends to work is that if you jump to a conclusion and the conclusion is wrong,
00:34:02.800
you don't get punished. If you jump to a conclusion and the conclusion is right, we reward you
00:34:06.480
richly. Yeah. And if you're the person who waits for the evidence to come in,
00:34:09.760
or you just follow the evidence as it comes in, we don't reward you at all. So your incentive
00:34:13.280
structure is very strong to be the person who jumps out in front of the parade and takes the most
00:34:16.720
extreme possible position. Because you might be right. I mean, it's actually very reminiscent of
00:34:20.000
an old scam that used to get run in the United States and was made illegal as a mail scam. And the
00:34:23.440
basic idea was that there would be one football game on a Sunday. And the scamster would take 10,000
00:34:32.880
10,000 pieces of mail and send 5,000 to a group saying that team A would win and 5,000 to a group
00:34:40.160
saying team B would win. And one of those teams would win. Yeah. And then he would take the subset
00:34:43.840
of the team that won and do the same thing the next week. And it would gradually window down. But by
00:34:47.280
the time he got to like game six or game seven, there's a subset of those people who had gotten
00:34:51.520
only right answers, right? And then they would buy into it. Oh my gosh, this guy's, he's infallible.
00:34:55.440
There's no way he could possibly, he could possibly miss. Yeah. And that dynamic really does apply to
00:35:00.480
a lot of the grift that's going on politically. And that's shown all sides, Dale. It's not just
00:35:04.000
the right. For sure. You know, finally, I guess my question for you is we've seen the pendulum swing
00:35:08.400
very dramatically towards the left, towards progressivism. There's things today that the
00:35:12.320
left would have condemned 10, 15 years ago categorically. Have things gone too far, whether
00:35:17.920
it's the attack on parental rights, transitioning minors, the unconditional up to nine months abortion
00:35:23.440
laws we're seeing, have they gone too far to the point where the pendulum is going to start
00:35:27.680
to swing back? Will sanity prevail? I mean, I think that it will, but first party to sanity wins.
00:35:32.480
I mean, I will say that, that I'm going to mispronounce the name of the conservative candidate
00:35:36.640
here. Was it Bolivier? Yeah. Okay. Thank you. So he's terrific. Like he's really good. He's really
00:35:42.880
articulate. He seems to, you know, be in control of his faculties, which is more we can say for most of
00:35:47.280
our politicians in the United States. And that's really good. But what we say in the United States,
00:35:51.440
what I've said on the show a lot is first party to sanity wins. And part of the problem is that as the
00:35:56.080
right gets driven out of its mind by the left, they tend to think, okay, well, we can't nominate
00:36:00.240
somebody who's going to be sane. We need to nominate somebody who's crazy, man. We need to nominate
00:36:03.600
somebody who's going to knock their block off. It's like, well, then that person has to get elected.
00:36:07.040
And is that person more likely to get elected or less likely to get elected? And so basically
00:36:12.080
in the United States right now, we have this bizarre dynamic where both parties are certain
00:36:15.920
that their guy cannot possibly lose to that guy, which is actually a really bad dynamic because that
00:36:19.920
means you can run literally anyone. You can run like, you know, a geriatric daughter who can't speak
00:36:24.000
words from his face hole. Or you can run, you know, a guy who's going to face four indictments
00:36:28.240
next year and is tweeting randomly in capital letters. Like those could be your candidates.
00:36:32.720
Right. Exactly. You can run pretty much because there's no way you're going to lose to that guy.
00:36:37.680
That's a very bad approach. The American people, by the way, deeply dissatisfied with it. You can look
00:36:40.640
at the polling data. We have the same issue in the United States you do here. It's not just that 80%
00:36:45.280
of people in the United States are dissatisfied with the current government. It's more like 70%,
00:36:49.680
75%, you know, 65%. But the number of people who are dissatisfied with the choice being presented
00:36:54.080
to them politically is almost 100%. Everybody's like, what is this? Like, this is awful. And yet
00:36:58.960
the people who are going to be nominated are likely to be the people who are, you know, the most,
00:37:04.960
the most, I'd say, embodying of the id of politics as opposed to the reason of politics. The
00:37:12.080
first party to sanity wins. Yeah. Well, hopefully we're headed there, both in politics and in life
00:37:16.640
in general. Things are pretty unhinged right now. Ben Shapiro, I want to thank you so much for your
00:37:20.160
time. It's a great pleasure. I want to thank the Wilberforce Project as well for allowing us to have
00:37:23.760
this interview. And for everyone at home, I want to thank you so much for tuning in. For Rebel News, I'm Adam Sos.
00:37:28.320
I actually meant to show you Adam Sos' interview with Ben Shapiro as our featured interview for the day.
00:37:46.800
So I hope you thought that was interesting. I'm going to get ready for tomorrow's Rebel News Live. And if
00:37:52.160
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00:37:57.760
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00:38:04.240
That really is something to see. I will be back in the studio on Monday where I'll have my proper
00:38:10.320
setup and proper teleprompters and proper gear. But thanks for bearing with me as I've been on the
00:38:15.360
road this week. It's been a pleasure to come to you from the road. And it's been for, you know,
00:38:19.360
I always like traveling to get out into the field and see our people. There were so many Rebel fans
00:38:24.400
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00:38:30.960
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