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00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Tonight, I talk about a thousand Jewish children who were forced to

00:00:05.040 evacuate their school because of a bomb threat, not in Israel, but right here in Canada. And I'll

00:00:10.020 show you the deafening silence of Trudeau's response. That's all I had. But first, let me

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00:00:29.580 here's today's podcast. 0.95

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00:00:59.580 Hi, everybody. I'm in Calgary. Behind me, Christmas decorations. We're almost at that 0.94

00:01:04.460 time of year. I'm in town because last night I was at the Ben Shapiro speech in Calgary. And

00:01:10.380 tomorrow, Rebel News Live is having our day-long conservative conference. It's amazing. So many

00:01:18.660 great people are going to be there. A lot of rebel on-screen talent. Sheila Gunn-Reed, myself,

00:01:24.660 David Menzies, Drea Humphrey, Alexa Lavoie. It's going to be a ton of talent, plus a lot of our

00:01:29.880 friends from the world of ideas, whether it's Billboard Chris. There'll be a conservative MP

00:01:34.500 bringing word from that party. There'll be Tamara Leach playing with her husband, a musical interlude. 0.86

00:01:42.660 Did you know she's in a rock band? That's all tomorrow. But let me get back to the news of the day.

00:01:47.240 As I mentioned, 1,000 Jews from Canada's largest Jewish high school were evacuated because there

00:01:53.620 was a bomb threat. Here's a copy of the threat itself. Whether or not it was a hoax, it looks

00:02:00.900 like it was a hoax, but that still has the desired effect of terrorizing and terrifying 1,000 students

00:02:08.520 and their parents. The whole place was evacuated. The kids were taken to a nearby synagogue to shelter

00:02:14.200 in place. And not a peep from Justin Trudeau at the hour I'm recording this. He's busy hobnobbing

00:02:22.060 with, well, looking by his Twitter feed, the world's worst anti-Semites. Here he is with Anwar 0.75

00:02:27.140 Ibrahim, like he said, the president of Malaysia now, who has an atrocious track record of saying

00:02:33.520 anti-Semitic things. But of course, let me ask you, if the largest Muslim high school in Canada

00:02:39.120 had a bomb threat that everyone had to flee, do you think Trudeau would ignore the matter?

00:02:44.040 It's pretty gross, but we're sort of used to Trudeau doing that now. He was asked today

00:02:50.860 about Xi Jinping, the Chinese dictator who recently visited San Francisco for a meeting of various

00:02:58.720 world leaders. Let me show you two videos back to back. Here's Joe Biden being asked if he believes

00:03:06.320 that Xi Jinping is a dictator. And miraculously, Sleepy Joe actually gets it right.

00:03:13.240 And then after today, would you still refer to President Xi as a dictator?

00:03:17.380 This is a term that he used earlier this year.

00:03:20.440 Well, look, he is. I mean, he's a dictator in the sense that he is a guy who runs a country that

00:03:25.720 is a communist country that is based on a former government totally different than ours.

00:03:31.000 So Joe Biden, who has an enormous and important relationship with China, says, yeah,

00:03:35.500 he's a dictator. Justin Trudeau, that fool, that coward who had two Canadians held his hostage 1.00

00:03:41.600 for nearly three years, when he was asked the same questions, he refused to say that Xi Jinping 1.00

00:03:47.440 was a dictator. Look at this atrocious answer.

00:03:50.200 Steve Chase, Globe and Mail. Would you describe Xi Jinping as a dictator?

00:03:56.840 Look, China's a one-party state. I don't think anyone would call it a democracy.

00:04:02.000 In 2013, you described China as a basic dictatorship.

00:04:07.860 Mr. Xi was already in charge. Mr. Biden, the President of the United States, which our security

00:04:13.020 guarantor also called him a dictator. Why won't you call him that?

00:04:17.220 Listen, we can get into all sorts of different definitions. The fact is, he's not running a

00:04:24.600 democracy. It's an authoritarian state.

00:04:26.700 You know, what's so weird about that is that Trudeau praised China for being a basic dictatorship

00:04:32.900 just a few years ago. Remember when he told that to a loving group of liberal donors?

00:04:38.060 There's a level of admiration I actually have for China.

00:04:42.320 Um, because their, you know, basic dictatorship is allowing them, uh, to actually turn their

00:04:50.780 economy around on a dime and say, we need to go green as fast as we need to start, you

00:04:54.740 know, investing in solar. I mean, there is a flexibility that I know Stephen Harper must

00:04:59.380 dream about of having a dictatorship that he could do everything he wanted.

00:05:02.460 You know, Trudeau is harder on the modern democracy, the state of Israel, than he is on the atrocious

00:05:11.380 dictatorship of China. That's so gross. Anyways, we dispatched a cameraman, uh, to the school 0.95

00:05:18.380 in Toronto that faced the bomb threat. Here's a report on the scene from our reporter, Lincoln Jay.

00:05:25.460 Well, this morning the school received an email, uh, threat of explosives in the building.

00:05:30.280 Uh, they immediately called 911. Uh, police were here within minutes. They evacuated the

00:05:36.800 school and put them, uh, put the students at Beth Emmett, uh, where they were sent home

00:05:42.260 for the day. So there's an all clear here. Uh, there's no threat. Uh, it was obviously

00:05:48.420 a hoax, but it's still, it still occurs at a dangerous time, uh, where we need everybody

00:05:55.760 to tone down the temperature and to make sure Toronto stays safe and hate free.

00:06:02.120 Do we know any of the details about where the threat came from? Anything like that?

00:06:06.280 The police are investigating it right now. We don't know where the threat originated from.

00:06:11.080 It came in by email. I trust that, uh, you know, I, I, I trust that police will fully investigate

00:06:18.340 it. These are the kinds of crimes that you absolutely have to pursue vigorously because

00:06:24.880 when you've got people who will go to this lane, you don't know how far they'll go.

00:06:30.600 Do you think you're going to see a, uh, a heightened security police presence at Jewish schools,

00:06:36.540 synagogues in the Toronto area? Well, we already have, uh, we have police at our synagogues or

00:06:43.880 we have police at, uh, Jewish schools as well as private security. Some of them are on duty.

00:06:49.560 Some of their, some of them are paid duty. Uh, but you know, the, the, the reality is that

00:06:57.680 tens of thousands of dollars every week are being sucked from the Jewish community to be safe in a

00:07:02.800 city that should be safe. And there shouldn't be this fear in a city like Toronto. So we need

00:07:10.000 politicians from all levels of government to condemn hate in all its forms, to say that there's

00:07:16.080 zero tolerance and to make sure there's a strong statement against the roving mobs, uh, that are

00:07:22.000 singing hateful chants in our downtown. Final, final question slash comment. What do you have to say

00:07:29.200 about the fact that we're now seeing, you know, kids in Toronto being, you know, targeted as a result

00:07:36.720 of this conflict? You know, it's very scary and, uh, it's, it's, it's a new, it's a new low. Uh,

00:07:45.840 I don't know what kind of person would, would do this. Uh, it's shameful. It's, uh, it's hurtful.

00:07:52.400 It sends people home, uh, worried and scared. Uh, and that's not what we want in Toronto. We want

00:07:59.200 people to feel confident that they can go about their daily lives in peace and security and freedom

00:08:06.080 and not be subject to harassment and hate. And that's exactly what this is. Well, thankfully,

00:08:11.440 it was an idle threat, but like I say, the terror was transmitted. Canada is no longer safe. And,

00:08:18.000 um, I think it was Trudeau himself who sort of gave moral permission to every anti-Semite to act

00:08:23.440 out in that way. And I can't just put it all on Trudeau, although by far he's been the worst. Uh,

00:08:28.960 premiers and mayors have most often been silent too, because they can do the same math. Trudeau can.

00:08:34.560 There are now five times as many Muslim Canadians as there are Jewish Canadians. And although I would like 1.00

00:08:39.920 to hope most Muslims don't support this violence, a significant number of them do. And Trudeau wants 1.00

00:08:45.680 their votes. Uh, speaking of which, in Calgary last night, Ben Shapiro gave a speech to a couple

00:08:51.120 thousand people. Some pro-Hamas protesters were there, which is interesting because it was on

00:08:57.200 reserve land, which is sort of a public-private hybrid. You can't just go on an Indian reserve

00:09:02.640 without being invited. They have the political authority to kick you out. So, uh, it was odd to me,

00:09:08.400 in a way that protesters were there, given that the band was hosting, uh, Ben Shapiro. But in

00:09:14.160 another way, I think that was sort of an interesting management of the public square. The protesters

00:09:18.800 were allowed to attend, but they were very tightly policed in court and off, which I thought was

00:09:23.680 fairly appropriate. Although many of the chants, they said, clearly violated hate speech laws,

00:09:29.280 and they may have even violated the criminal co-provisions of providing assistance to terror

00:09:33.840 groups. Here's a little bit of video from last night.

00:09:36.480 Fuck you! This is an active story! This is an active story! This is an active story! 1.00

00:09:42.560 You are serious! You are serious! You are serious!

00:09:46.240 Ezra Levant here in Calgary. I'm outside the Tsutena Nation. When I was a kid, it was called the

00:09:51.520 Sarsi Reserve. And, uh, it's an enormous casino and event complex, which is a perfect place for Ben

00:09:59.680 Shapiro to speak. And there's an enormous crowd. The lineup is huge. They've opened up extra parking

00:10:06.000 lots. I don't know how many folks are here, but it's got to be one of the largest political gatherings

00:10:10.560 in recent times in Calgary. I chatted with a few folks in line. Here's what they had to say.

00:10:16.160 I think it's fantastic, as people are here to just hear every side of the story of what's going on.

00:10:21.360 And I think it's a great opportunity for us to come out and support Ben Shapiro.

00:10:25.360 The turnout looks like a large turnout for the Ben Shapiro event. What do you think of that?

00:10:29.040 I think it's awesome. I was actually shocked at how many people were actually here.

00:10:32.480 Why do you think, uh, why do you think it's such a strong turnout?

00:10:36.160 Support for Israel, support for justice, and, uh, free Palestine from Hamas.

00:10:46.560 What's interesting is the protesters across the way don't make any bones about it. They're reaching for

00:10:52.000 that Holocaust and Nazi iconography, which is a kind of anti-Semitism to accuse Jews

00:10:58.560 of being Nazis, but that's nothing new. I guess that's a freedom of speech they have here in

00:11:03.200 Canada that they don't have in Gaza. What do you make of the fact that this is reserve land?

00:11:08.560 So you can't just come on it without an invitation, but what's your view on having them here?

00:11:13.760 I don't understand why they would have them here in the first place. It doesn't make sense. It's private

00:11:17.200 property. They're hosting, uh, somebody to come speak with us, which we choose to do and they're making

00:11:22.240 money on. Why would you bring the opposition or some sort of opposition when this has absolutely

00:11:26.800 nothing to do with Israel in itself right now? I'm surprised that Sutina is letting them protest here. 0.85

00:11:32.560 Well, I, I'm glad Sutina is letting them protest. They're, they're keeping them under wraps,

00:11:36.800 but I think it's a free speech moment. What do you think? I think so too. And it's good.

00:11:40.640 It's good optics. That's the thing. In Gaza, if you were to protest against

00:11:44.640 someone you didn't like in Hamas, you'd wind up dead. That's why I get a kick out of those 1.00

00:11:50.000 gays for Palestine or LGBTQ for Hamas. They would be thrown off a roof. Free speech is alive 1.00

00:11:56.960 in Canada. And I have to salute the Sutina nation police force who have things well in hand.

00:12:03.200 As well, our friend Adam Sos sat down with Ben Shapiro to ask him a few questions during his trip to

00:12:09.760 Canada. We clearly live in a sort of world of double, double standard selective enforcement. And

00:12:14.640 that's glaringly obvious when you see it, whether it, whether it be BLM or pro Hamas protests,

00:12:20.160 they can shout genocidal slogans, break stuff, fight people, do whatever they,

00:12:23.920 they wish there's no consequence. By contrast, we saw the freedom convoy that was entirely

00:12:28.080 peaceful. They received harsh treatment, frozen bank accounts, horse tramplings.

00:12:31.920 Where did this sort of structural division come from?

00:12:34.320 So I think that in the end where it comes from is a false binary between oppressor and oppressed.

00:12:39.760 And this really has its roots in Marxist theory. The idea that there's an oppressor class and

00:12:44.480 there's an oppressed class. And the more unsuccessful you are, the more oppressed you,

00:12:48.160 you therefore already been exploited by the system. You're not responsible for your own

00:12:51.040 failures. That's the fault of the system. And then that got grafted in the last 40,

00:12:54.880 50 years away from class and onto race. And so the idea then was, if you're a member of a race,

00:13:00.240 that race earns less than other races. For example, you are now a member of an oppressed 0.96

00:13:04.400 race. And that means that you've been exploited and you can then do anything you want to the

00:13:08.960 oppressor class. And it got grafted onto a sort of decolonization narrative that was originally

00:13:12.640 pushed by Frans Fanon and Jean-Paul Sartre and kind of bled its way both down and up.

00:13:17.520 And so now what you see is this idea that if you are a pro-chemist protester, then this means that

00:13:22.880 you're fighting the oppressor and therefore you can do literally anything up to and including

00:13:26.320 slaughtering babies in their cribs and everybody will basically be okay with that. Whereas if you

00:13:30.880 are a disproportionately white group of people who are protesting because your jobs have been taken

00:13:35.440 away from you, then you're part of the oppressor class. It doesn't matter if you are not wealthy.

00:13:39.600 It doesn't matter. None of that matters. You're part of the oppressor class because you've

00:13:42.960 participated in the capitalist system and because you even have a job and because of your color.

00:13:46.880 And that really is truly ugly stuff. You know, I've attended a number of these pro-Hamas protests

00:13:52.080 in person and our staff have attended them all around the world, including Alexa Lavoie, who did a

00:13:57.920 great job in London, England recently. And I've seen these kind of protests for years, including in

00:14:04.240 Toronto, where every year the embassy — or there's no embassy, rather — the agents of Iran, the Islamic 0.97

00:14:10.400 Republic of Iran, organize a hateful day called the Al-Quds Day, which is basically a big day of 0.99

00:14:17.280 anti-Semitism. And they've done it for years, even though it's clearly orchestrated by the government 0.71

00:14:22.160 of Iran, which is an Islamic dictatorship. A few days ago, Global News — got to give them credit — did an

00:14:29.600 incredible expose on the political activities of the Islamic Republic of Iran in Canada, including

00:14:37.200 by their terrorist group, the Islamic Republican Guard, the Iranian Republican Guard, which other

00:14:44.480 countries have designated as a terror group, but Trudeau will not. Let me show you an excerpt from that

00:14:49.040 excellent Global News report.

00:14:51.040 An Ontario man who lost his wife and daughter in the tragedy of Ukraine Airlines Flight 752 is

00:14:57.120 speaking out to Global News about the threat he faces. Hamid Esmailioun says he can't escape the

00:15:03.120 Iranian regime, even in Canada. This summer, he was reportedly the target of public threats made

00:15:08.960 by a man visiting Canada as a tourist. That man is a former senior minister in the Iranian government.

00:15:14.960 As Negar Moshtehedi explains, that incident has raised some troubling questions about Canada's security.

00:15:22.320 You might not recognize this man in the background of a news report on Quebec tourism this past summer.

00:15:28.560 But the Iranian diaspora did. His name is Sayed Hassan Qazizadeh Hashemi. He's a former Iranian senior

00:15:35.520 minister reportedly vacationing in Canada. He was part of the same administration responsible for shooting

00:15:42.240 down Ukraine Airlines Flight 752 in January of 2020. Dozens of Canadians were killed, including

00:15:50.080 Hamid Esmailioun's wife and nine-year-old daughter. It was outrageous for the whole community.

00:15:55.680 Esmailioun couldn't believe it and called out the Canadian government.

00:15:59.360 He was not an ordinary person. You see that he had a photo with Hassan Nasrullah,

00:16:04.240 the leader of Hezbollah, which is a terrorist organization in this country.

00:16:08.400 In response to Esmailioun's calls to have him deported, the former minister reportedly fired

00:16:14.640 back with a threat. He was quoted in this Iranian magazine saying,

00:16:19.120 I will retaliate against the treachery of the foreign media outlets and Hamid Esmailioun.

00:16:24.080 It made me angry actually. Why? He's here and he threatens everybody he wants.

00:16:30.720 In late August, Canada's immigration minister tweeted that Hashemi's application for temporary

00:16:36.240 residents was denied and that he was being barred for three years due to, quote,

00:16:40.880 Iran's disregard for human rights. It's just a slap in the face of the community here. 1.00

00:16:47.120 This BC immigration lawyer has spent a lot of time documenting what he says is the huge number

00:16:52.560 of Iranian regime officials and their associates who are in Canada. We have about 700 names right now

00:16:59.200 that are either have temporary residents, permanent residents or citizenship that are in Canada and

00:17:06.400 that are somehow regime affiliates. We're still counting, so it's going to be closer to a thousand.

00:17:11.680 Esmailioun, labeled as an enemy of the Islamic Republic, is always watching his back,

00:17:18.080 not able to escape the regime he thought he could leave behind, even in Canada.

00:17:23.200 The Islamic Republic's agents are everywhere in this country, everywhere.

00:17:28.000 Could you imagine as many as 700 foreign agents for the government of Iran running around in Canada,

00:17:35.760 terrorizing and terrifying democratic-oriented Iranians, but also organizing so many of these hate rallies?

00:17:44.000 Remember, Hamas itself is organized and funded by Iran,

00:17:47.680 and so too many of these rallies around the world are organized by Iran. You know from your own life,

00:17:55.360 I'm sure, that political things just don't happen without organization. Political parties expend

00:18:00.880 enormous effort getting their people to turn out at rallies. I know myself as a former political candidate

00:18:06.640 and, frankly, as someone who hosts events like our Rebel News Live tomorrow, it takes effort to get people

00:18:12.160 to turn out. And so the more of these events I see, the more I see how orchestrated, funded, and planned

00:18:20.160 they are. For example, look at this tweet showing prefabricated pro-Hamas signs en masse about to be

00:18:27.760 distributed. I think that it is so clear from observing who is at these protests that they are not an organic,

00:18:36.800 spontaneous movement. Like, I will not deny that there are people who are responding to these professional

00:18:44.160 organizer efforts. You can't get 100,000 people to march in London. Not all of them are Iranian agents,

00:18:50.320 but you probably had a thousand people working to organize them, foreign entities, but also Socialist

00:18:56.800 Workers' Party and other left-wing groups. But I was looking at the crazy case of Leith Marouf, the anti-Semite

00:19:03.360 that Trudeau actually hired to promote anti-racism. And look at some of his recent tweets, absolutely

00:19:09.600 insane on the racist-o-meter. And yet he was hired as an anti-hate expert. And so it dawned on me

00:19:17.440 that actually a leading source of anti-Semitism and, frankly, anti-white hatred, if I may, in Canada comes

00:19:25.200 from the anti-racism industry, particularly anti-racism called DEI, Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion.

00:19:33.120 Those are professional paid offices, typically at banks, at universities, at police forces,

00:19:41.200 at other large quasi-public institutions, who on the face of it are there for unity. But they're not

00:19:49.680 really there for unity. Equity and inclusion are not about unity and assimilation and integration.

00:19:55.840 They're about including in the West contrary voices to the West. They're about decolonization. And what

00:20:02.400 does decolonization mean? It's cultural Marxism, which means the oppressed get to do anything to get

00:20:09.600 the oppressors. And so so many of these hate marches across Canada and the United States and the United

00:20:15.920 Kingdom are actually organized, not just by foreign agents like Global News has discovered about Iran,

00:20:21.920 and not just by the Socialist Workers' Party and the Communist Party, anything to batter the

00:20:26.800 establishment, but actually the anti-racism industry itself. Now, of course, you also have public sector

00:20:32.320 unions. You can't look anywhere these days in Canada. One of these hate rallies without seeing,

00:20:37.280 for example, Fred Hahn of CUPE is really gross. I think a good way to look at these pro-Hamas rallies 0.96

00:20:44.640 is to realize the template set by the Black Lives Matter movement under Barack Obama. Black Lives Matter

00:20:52.720 is an idea, but it's also a corporation. It's an organization. It's a political movement. And during

00:20:59.840 some very bloody and fiery riots, it was also a street militia designed to promote shock tactics,

00:21:07.360 to destabilize Donald Trump in the later years of the Black Lives Matter movement. And it was all 0.97

00:21:12.960 based on woke, critical theory. Like I said, the oppressed getting to do anything against the

00:21:19.520 oppressors. That's the unifying theory. That's why you have gay rights activists siding with Hamas that 0.87

00:21:24.960 would normally kill them in Gaza. So it was interesting to see this story published in the Free Press, which is

00:21:30.240 an independent news source, going deep into some of the funders of the recent pro-Hamas protests.

00:21:37.040 Let me quote Neville Roy Singham and his wife Jody Evans. Since 2017, Singham has been the main

00:21:43.200 funder of the People's Forum, which has co-organized at least four protests after 1400 innocent Israelis

00:21:50.720 were slaughtered by Hamas on October 7th. One rally in Times Square happened on October 8th,

00:21:56.880 before Israel had even counted its dead. My point is that, of course, there are genuine 0.62

00:22:03.200 Palestinians and other Arabs and Muslims who are genuinely concerned about what's happening in

00:22:07.680 Gaza. I'm sure that's true, and I can understand that. By the way, look at this recent poll from

00:22:16.480 Gaza and the West Bank, and I'm not sure how accurate polls in those places are. People are probably too 1.00

00:22:21.040 afraid to speak out to pollsters. But three-quarters of Palestinians support Hamas, and I find that

00:22:27.040 terrifying. I'm not saying there is no organic, natural antipathy towards Israel. Of course there 1.00

00:22:33.600 is. Anti-Semitism is the oldest hatred. But it is being whipped up by professional activists with

00:22:40.720 money, just like George Soros bankrolled Black Lives Matter. There are millionaires bankrolling

00:22:47.840 these hate marches around the world. And I tell you that because, in a way, it makes me feel better to

00:22:55.120 know that some of what we see is artificial, that it's ginned up by professional organizers and by

00:23:01.040 foreign countries like Iran. And it also gives us a path to how to fight back. I think step one

00:23:06.480 is to expose the funders and the true nature of these protests. But it also calls for the implementation of

00:23:12.960 certain foreign laws. For example, in Canada, we don't have a foreign agent registry, something that

00:23:18.960 would catch not just Iran's activities here, but China's too. That's one of the reasons we set up

00:23:24.640 DeportHamas.com about a month ago and started taking our billboard truck around cities. My point is, 0.97

00:23:30.640 if someone is a foreign national here at these hate marches, they should be given the boot. If they're 1.00

00:23:36.160 a Canadian citizen, they have certain rights here, freedom of speech, even if it is odious ideas,

00:23:42.400 as long as they don't go so far as to actually provide help to a terrorist group, which is under

00:23:47.440 the criminal code. But for foreign nationals, if you're coming to a hate rally to shout swears and

00:23:53.120 other accusations and insults and anti-Semitism at a Ben Shapiro event, if you're coming there to

00:24:00.240 to promote anti-Semitism and you're a foreign national, frankly, get the hell out. So those are my 0.59

00:24:06.400 thoughts on this day when 1,000 Jewish children had to flee their school because of a terrorist bomb

00:24:14.640 threat. And Trudeau's lack of response tells you, really, everything you need to know. Stay with us.

00:24:21.760 So this is your 4 Rebel News and we are on location at the Grey Eagle Event Center just outside of

00:24:37.680 Calgary for Ben Shapiro Live. It is an event that is being hosted by the Wilberforce Project,

00:24:42.240 a pro-life political organization that is active here in Alberta. As the name of the event suggests,

00:24:47.120 the star of the evening will be Ben Shapiro, political pundit, co-founder of The Daily Wire

00:24:51.920 and host of The Ben Shapiro Show. We were very fortunate to secure an exclusive interview with

00:24:56.240 the man himself. Well, Ben, thanks so much for joining me. I really appreciate it. I'm going to

00:25:00.000 get straight into some questions here. I suppose my first question for you would be, we clearly live

00:25:03.600 in a sort of world of double standard selective enforcement and that's glaringly obvious when you

00:25:08.960 see it, whether it be BLM or pro-Hamas protests, they can shout genocidal slogans, break stuff,

00:25:15.040 fight people, do whatever they wish. There's no consequence. By contrast, we saw the Freedom Convoy

00:25:19.760 that was entirely peaceful. They received harsh treatment, frozen bank accounts, horse tramplings.

00:25:24.480 Where did this sort of structural division come from? So I think that in the end where it comes

00:25:28.960 from is a false binary between oppressor and oppressed. And this really has its roots in Marxist

00:25:34.560 theory. The idea that there's an oppressor class and there's an oppressed class and the more

00:25:38.560 unsuccessful you are, the more oppressed you therefore are and you've been exploited by the system.

00:25:42.240 You're not responsible for your own failures. That's the fault of the system. And then that got

00:25:46.240 grafted in the last 40, 50 years away from class and onto race. And so the idea then was if you're

00:25:51.680 a member of a race and that race earns less than other races, for example, you are now a member of

00:25:56.160 an oppressed race and that means that you've been exploited and you can then do anything you want 0.88

00:26:01.040 to the oppressor class. It got grafted onto a sort of decolonization narrative that was originally

00:26:05.120 pushed by Frantz Fanon and Jean-Paul Sartre and kind of bled its way both down and up. And so now what you see

00:26:10.720 is this idea that if you are a pro-Khamas protester, then this means that you're fighting

00:26:15.920 the oppressor and therefore you can do literally anything up to and including slaughtering babies

00:26:19.600 in their cribs and everybody will basically be okay with that. Whereas if you are a disproportionately 0.95

00:26:25.120 white group of people who are protesting because your jobs have been taken away from you,

00:26:29.040 then you're part of the oppressor class. It doesn't matter if you are not wealthy. It doesn't matter.

00:26:32.640 None of that matters. You're part of the oppressor class because you've participated in the capitalist

00:26:36.560 system and because you even have a job and because of your color. And that really is truly ugly stuff. 0.99

00:26:41.680 Now, another group that would certainly participate in the suppression language 0.97

00:26:45.200 would be that sort of anti-hate groups or the even diversity inclusion type groups on campuses and

00:26:50.800 workplaces right across the board, even in government. One of the things that I've noticed

00:26:54.640 lately, though, is that there's been a sort of concerted shift. If, say, a Muslim group is

00:27:00.720 shouting anti-Semitic slogans or BLM protesters shouting anti-white slogans, that's completely

00:27:06.960 fine. These groups seem to exclusively target even the most minor instances of inappropriateness

00:27:12.080 by the people who wouldn't be considered oppressed. Yeah, that's right. I mean, because it's a power

00:27:18.000 game. And I think that we grant their premise when we pretend that there's an actual legitimate

00:27:22.160 shred of truth to the thing that they're saying. Yeah. It isn't. It's a power struggle. They say this.

00:27:25.600 They say all institutions are creations of power dynamics. They say that everything up to and

00:27:31.360 including things like freedom of speech are a reflection of underlying power dynamics.

00:27:34.640 And that really is projection. The way they think about everything is in terms of power dynamics. And

00:27:39.280 so they are exercising power over you by claiming victimhood when they're not actually victimized.

00:27:44.160 And then they're expecting you to bow to them and come to heel. And that's the more offended you are

00:27:49.200 and the more you cave to that, the more power they have. And that's why the only answer to it is to

00:27:53.040 basically throw up a middle finger and say you're not oppressed and I'm not oppressing you and you're

00:27:56.560 just going to have to deal with that. Now, since what we've seen since the Hamas terrorist attack 0.73

00:28:00.400 in Israel, do you think that President Trump was right to suggest that places with high risks of

00:28:05.920 terrorism, that we should be ceasing all immigration from those places or outright banning it? Yes. I mean,

00:28:09.840 I thought that he was right when he said it. I mean, the location-based immigration ban was not only 0.99

00:28:16.560 correct, it was in place for part of the Obama administration. I mean, there were certain places where you just

00:28:20.320 cannot vet people from those places. Now, it doesn't have to be religion-specific. And this

00:28:24.560 was the difference between some of the stuff that Trump originally said and then what it ended up

00:28:27.680 being. So what he originally said was like, Muslim ban. Nobody gets hit if you're Muslim. And I said,

00:28:31.440 well, that's a little overbroad. I mean, there are certainly moderate Muslims who you might want

00:28:34.560 to let in your country. If they're well-qualified, they add to the country. They can get a good job and

00:28:38.880 all the rest of that sort of thing. But, you know, when it comes to countries, like, how do you know who the

00:28:43.920 hell's coming in from Syria? Yeah. How do you know who's coming in from the Gaza Strip? And the idea of widespread 0.93

00:28:48.640 immigration availability from countries that have cultures that are not remotely like Western

00:28:53.440 cultures and, in fact, cultures that deeply hate Western cultures. That's a horrible idea. I saw a

00:28:58.000 poll out actually today of Palestinians in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip and found that 75 percent of

00:29:03.120 them approved of the October 7th attacks. And when it came to, you know, what percentage of them wanted

00:29:08.480 to obliterate the state of Israel completely, it was in the high 80s. So all this talk about how it's a bunch

00:29:13.440 of moderate, peace-loving people. That doesn't mean that they're members of Hamas and they're not being

00:29:16.800 targeted like members of Hamas. Israel's doing a good job of trying to avoid that. But it does mean 0.80

00:29:21.120 that pretending all populations hold the same belief system is ridiculous. No. So if folks are 0.52

00:29:25.120 newcomers to a country, they haven't acquired citizenship yet, if they're participating in

00:29:29.600 violent protests or calling for genocidal eradications, out. They should go. They should go.

00:29:34.160 100 percent. We have no obligation in the West to ship in people who hate our civilization or who

00:29:39.600 identify with terrorist groups. That's ridiculous. Yeah. Why do you think it is that Justin Trudeau, 0.99

00:29:44.240 I mean, lots of the sort of woke leaders around the world are so partial or at least deferential

00:29:48.880 towards Hamas and maybe even a bit critical of Israel? I think that, again, that oppressor

00:29:54.480 oppressed matrix cannot be undermined under any circumstances in their viewpoint. Israel is a 1.00

00:30:00.160 quote unquote oppressor state specifically because it is a successful Western state in a very unsuccessful

00:30:06.480 region of the world. And so when Justin Trudeau and a lot of people like him look at the Israelis

00:30:11.840 versus the Palestinians, they don't see a long history of conflict with one side legitimately

00:30:17.040 stating they would obliterate the other completely. Well, what they see instead is very powerful,

00:30:21.840 large military, many white people. And on the other side, many poor brown people. And because of that, 0.94

00:30:28.640 that means that the Israelis are inherently the bad guys and they must have done something 1.00

00:30:31.760 exploitative in order to create that binary. And that's the best thing to do is weapons down.

00:30:37.200 That'll bring back the peace negotiations, diplomacy. Now you can say that that's ignorant 0.98

00:30:41.360 and maybe for a lot of people, it may be ignorant. It can also be malicious because there comes a

00:30:44.800 certain point where, I mean, when you're talking about a group that literally slaughters 0.79

00:30:48.240 babies in their cribs and rapes women and drags them back to the hellhole that is Gaza. 0.99

00:30:52.800 At that point, I think negotiations should probably be off the table. And I don't see exactly why that 0.93

00:30:56.560 that should be a matter of moral equivalence. Right. Now, Trudeau has embraced the sort of Marxist

00:31:01.200 mentality on every single issue on a level I think is probably unrivaled by any leader in the world,

00:31:06.000 potentially. And he does this despite the fact that there's massive backlash both at home and abroad,

00:31:11.120 G7 allies, Five Eyes allies. The international community doesn't look at Canada in the same way

00:31:15.920 it does. Why are political leaders like him so ideologically and dogmatically married

00:31:20.640 to progressive agendas, even when everyone's saying, please, just stop?

00:31:23.520 I think there's a sense in which it makes them feel very good about themselves.

00:31:26.240 I think there's something very self flattering about dissociating from, you know, the the elite

00:31:31.360 class and saying, well, you know, but I'm not like them. I'm not like them. I'm really I'm my own.

00:31:35.360 I'm with you. I'm with the oppressed people. And, you know, I know that I'm privileged. And Justin

00:31:39.200 Trudeau is a very privileged human being, one of the most privileged human beings ever to walk the

00:31:42.320 earth. And so for him and for a lot of people who are like that, the way that you shed yourself of

00:31:46.720 the privilege is by trying to ally yourself with the oppressed and the marginalized. And so he's certainly

00:31:51.840 doing that in heavy measure. Handsome Bernie Sanders is what I've been calling him for years

00:31:57.120 on on the program. And he is a disgrace to his office. And I look forward to him leaving. 0.98

00:32:00.720 Now, to what extent? Obviously, 84 percent of Canadians want new leadership. To what extent do

00:32:04.880 you think that these people actually believe that? And to what extent are people within their offices

00:32:09.200 or they themselves simply use utilizing the language of the left to achieve their ends?

00:32:13.280 I think that there's a hardcore base that actually understands what they're saying.

00:32:16.960 Yeah. And then I think there are a lot of fellow travelers who and this is one of the great

00:32:19.920 sins of the West who are just trying to be nice. Saying, I just don't want to be offensive.

00:32:23.040 You know, is it really nice to call out people when they say that they feel oppressed? Is it nice

00:32:27.520 to tell them that they're not and that really they should get their act together? And as Jordan

00:32:31.920 Peterson says, make your bet. Like, is that a nice thing to say? And that niceness is really dangerous

00:32:36.960 because when you say to people, I'm too shy to tell you to get your act together, what you're really

00:32:42.000 saying is you think they're incompetent. You think they're foolish. You think that you need to 1.00

00:32:45.280 paternalistically take care of them and fix their life for them. And it makes a lot of people feel good

00:32:49.360 about themselves and it makes them a lot of people feel like they're being virtuous. But the reality

00:32:53.360 is that the people you're closest to tend to be also the people you give the most correctives to.

00:32:56.240 The members of your family are the people who you say, well, you know, you could do X better.

00:33:00.000 Yeah. I say this to my kids all the time. Like, they come home from school and they didn't do great

00:33:03.600 on a test. I'll be like, well, that's why we need to study. Let's sit down. We'll study right now.

00:33:07.040 It's not nice to say to my kid, you know, you did your best. You're actually kind of dumb. Like, you got to see. 1.00

00:33:11.840 And you're going to get C's from here on out because let's face it. And we're going to make provision for you.

00:33:15.680 Like that'd be a terrible thing to do as a parent, an awful evil thing to do as a parent. But we do

00:33:20.080 do that as a society. Well, you're kind of touching on fraternal correction there. And a question that

00:33:23.920 I have for you, we talk a lot about sort of the left's disconnect from reality. But we have seen,

00:33:28.800 I mean, especially we have to we have to work on our credibility in Canada. We're fighting state

00:33:32.160 funded media giants. So we have to be careful. But we have seen a number of pundits around the world

00:33:37.360 on the conservative side who sometimes embrace maybe or go down ideological rabbit holes that aren't

00:33:41.920 evidence based. So you you're kind of known for saying facts over feelings. How critical is it

00:33:46.160 for people on the right or conservatives to be sure that they're self-examining and that they're

00:33:50.240 checking their own confirmation? And I think that on a moral level, I think very, very serious. I

00:33:54.080 think that we have an incentive structure that rewards fast over correct. Yeah. So right now,

00:33:58.080 the way that it tends to work is that if you jump to a conclusion and the conclusion is wrong,

00:34:02.800 you don't get punished. If you jump to a conclusion and the conclusion is right, we reward you

00:34:06.480 richly. Yeah. And if you're the person who waits for the evidence to come in,

00:34:09.760 or you just follow the evidence as it comes in, we don't reward you at all. So your incentive

00:34:13.280 structure is very strong to be the person who jumps out in front of the parade and takes the most

00:34:16.720 extreme possible position. Because you might be right. I mean, it's actually very reminiscent of

00:34:20.000 an old scam that used to get run in the United States and was made illegal as a mail scam. And the

00:34:23.440 basic idea was that there would be one football game on a Sunday. And the scamster would take 10,000

00:34:32.880 10,000 pieces of mail and send 5,000 to a group saying that team A would win and 5,000 to a group

00:34:40.160 saying team B would win. And one of those teams would win. Yeah. And then he would take the subset

00:34:43.840 of the team that won and do the same thing the next week. And it would gradually window down. But by

00:34:47.280 the time he got to like game six or game seven, there's a subset of those people who had gotten

00:34:51.520 only right answers, right? And then they would buy into it. Oh my gosh, this guy's, he's infallible.

00:34:55.440 There's no way he could possibly, he could possibly miss. Yeah. And that dynamic really does apply to

00:35:00.480 a lot of the grift that's going on politically. And that's shown all sides, Dale. It's not just

00:35:04.000 the right. For sure. You know, finally, I guess my question for you is we've seen the pendulum swing

00:35:08.400 very dramatically towards the left, towards progressivism. There's things today that the

00:35:12.320 left would have condemned 10, 15 years ago categorically. Have things gone too far, whether

00:35:17.920 it's the attack on parental rights, transitioning minors, the unconditional up to nine months abortion 0.99

00:35:23.440 laws we're seeing, have they gone too far to the point where the pendulum is going to start

00:35:27.680 to swing back? Will sanity prevail? I mean, I think that it will, but first party to sanity wins.

00:35:32.480 I mean, I will say that, that I'm going to mispronounce the name of the conservative candidate

00:35:36.640 here. Was it Bolivier? Yeah. Okay. Thank you. So he's terrific. Like he's really good. He's really

00:35:42.880 articulate. He seems to, you know, be in control of his faculties, which is more we can say for most of

00:35:47.280 our politicians in the United States. And that's really good. But what we say in the United States,

00:35:51.440 what I've said on the show a lot is first party to sanity wins. And part of the problem is that as the

00:35:56.080 right gets driven out of its mind by the left, they tend to think, okay, well, we can't nominate

00:36:00.240 somebody who's going to be sane. We need to nominate somebody who's crazy, man. We need to nominate 0.99

00:36:03.600 somebody who's going to knock their block off. It's like, well, then that person has to get elected.

00:36:07.040 And is that person more likely to get elected or less likely to get elected? And so basically

00:36:12.080 in the United States right now, we have this bizarre dynamic where both parties are certain

00:36:15.920 that their guy cannot possibly lose to that guy, which is actually a really bad dynamic because that

00:36:19.920 means you can run literally anyone. You can run like, you know, a geriatric daughter who can't speak 0.99

00:36:24.000 words from his face hole. Or you can run, you know, a guy who's going to face four indictments

00:36:28.240 next year and is tweeting randomly in capital letters. Like those could be your candidates.

00:36:32.720 Right. Exactly. You can run pretty much because there's no way you're going to lose to that guy.

00:36:37.680 That's a very bad approach. The American people, by the way, deeply dissatisfied with it. You can look

00:36:40.640 at the polling data. We have the same issue in the United States you do here. It's not just that 80%

00:36:45.280 of people in the United States are dissatisfied with the current government. It's more like 70%,

00:36:49.680 75%, you know, 65%. But the number of people who are dissatisfied with the choice being presented

00:36:54.080 to them politically is almost 100%. Everybody's like, what is this? Like, this is awful. And yet

00:36:58.960 the people who are going to be nominated are likely to be the people who are, you know, the most,

00:37:04.960 the most, I'd say, embodying of the id of politics as opposed to the reason of politics. The

00:37:12.080 first party to sanity wins. Yeah. Well, hopefully we're headed there, both in politics and in life

00:37:16.640 in general. Things are pretty unhinged right now. Ben Shapiro, I want to thank you so much for your

00:37:20.160 time. It's a great pleasure. I want to thank the Wilberforce Project as well for allowing us to have

00:37:23.760 this interview. And for everyone at home, I want to thank you so much for tuning in. For Rebel News, I'm Adam Sos.

00:37:28.320 I actually meant to show you Adam Sos' interview with Ben Shapiro as our featured interview for the day.

00:37:46.800 So I hope you thought that was interesting. I'm going to get ready for tomorrow's Rebel News Live. And if

00:37:52.160 you're in the Calgary area, it's not too late to attend. Just go to rebelnewslive.com. There are

00:37:57.760 some tickets available. Come for the speakers, but stay to hear Tamara Leach playing rock and roll. 1.00

00:38:04.240 That really is something to see. I will be back in the studio on Monday where I'll have my proper

00:38:10.320 setup and proper teleprompters and proper gear. But thanks for bearing with me as I've been on the

00:38:15.360 road this week. It's been a pleasure to come to you from the road. And it's been for, you know,

00:38:19.360 I always like traveling to get out into the field and see our people. There were so many Rebel fans

00:38:24.400 at the Ben Shapiro thing last night. Until Monday, on behalf of all of us at Rebel News around the

00:38:30.960 country and around the world, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

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