Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ ABC News rigs presidential debate against Republican Candidate Donald Trump

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. It is just 53 days until the U.S. presidential election.

00:00:04.100 That is going to go by in a second.

00:00:06.740 We're going to have a good heart-to-heart with one of our favorite American political observers,

00:00:10.940 Joel Pollack from Breitbart.com.

00:00:13.320 We're going to talk about, is the risk for cheating and vote rigging and

00:00:17.420 jiggery-pokery as high in 2024 as it was last time?

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00:00:48.980 Tonight, just 53 days to the U.S. presidential election.

00:01:02.160 Are you ready?

00:01:03.140 We have a feature interview with our friend Joel Pollack from Breitbart.com.

00:01:06.620 It's September 13th, and this is The Ezra LeVance Show.

00:01:09.160 We fight for freedom!

00:01:12.440 Shame on you, you censorious bug!

00:01:15.620 It's only 53 days until the U.S. presidential election.

00:01:28.040 I can't believe how quickly that's coming up.

00:01:30.180 There's a phrase, the October surprise, which means something happens in the last few weeks

00:01:35.560 that might jolt the campaign. 0.78

00:01:37.060 Well, I hardly think we've had quite a few surprises in the last month or two.

00:01:41.320 Donald Trump faced an assassination attempt an inch over, and God forbid, the bullet would have killed him.

00:01:47.960 Then, even more crazy, the incumbent president, Joe Biden, was simply removed as the leadership candidate,

00:01:54.860 the presidential candidate, and Kamala Harris was anointed.

00:01:58.300 There was no public process.

00:01:59.900 Just absolutely astonishing.

00:02:01.480 Let's check in on the state of that presidential campaign with our best friend down there, Joel Pollack,

00:02:07.280 senior editor-at-large at Breitbart.com.

00:02:09.700 Joel, great to see you again.

00:02:11.340 53 days, that is so soon, but in another way that's an eternity.

00:02:16.720 Almost anything could happen.

00:02:17.980 There could be a war.

00:02:19.240 There could be, God forbid, another assassination attempt.

00:02:22.300 What do you think the next 53 days are going to be like?

00:02:24.540 Well, voting starts already in a few days with some of the ballots already going out,

00:02:32.500 so I don't think 53 days are as dramatic as they once were.

00:02:38.080 We have an election season now, no longer an election day.

00:02:41.240 Election day is really just a deadline and a kind of antiquated ritual, I suppose,

00:02:46.980 for those of us who think that elections involve going somewhere to vote.

00:02:50.660 Now we have this vote-by-mail system, which is universally associated around the world with fraud

00:02:56.680 or the potential for fraud, but somehow we have allowed it to become part of our system,

00:03:00.640 and we have absentee voting for just about any reason you can think of, or no reason at all, really.

00:03:05.660 So it's not as dramatic as it once was.

00:03:08.860 In fact, I think that this election is basically over, and it's over bar the shouting.

00:03:13.620 We have a lot of shouting to do over 53 days, but I do think most people have made up their minds,

00:03:18.460 and the campaigns will be fighting over whoever's left, which is going to be a small number of people,

00:03:25.720 and it may come down to a few votes.

00:03:27.200 So these fights are important, but basically the election is done.

00:03:30.800 Well, you know, that's an astonishing way to look at it, but it makes total sense.

00:03:34.860 You wrote a book about the 2020 election.

00:03:38.060 Going from memory, I think you called it Neither Free Nor Fair.

00:03:40.620 Is that right?

00:03:41.100 It's right, because of all of the various ways in which Democrats tried to rig the election.

00:03:49.200 And I stayed away from the term rigged because I think that the election results could have been legitimate.

00:03:57.960 We don't know that they were necessarily different than they might have been had all other things been equal.

00:04:03.500 And one of the phenomena, for example, that people who believe the election was stolen can't quite explain

00:04:09.060 is that even though Trump lost at the top of the ticket, Republicans won in many congressional races.

00:04:16.980 Democrats had expected to pick up 12 seats, and in fact, the Republicans won many seats.

00:04:23.340 So voters seemed to have split their tickets.

00:04:26.480 You wouldn't expect that it would be very easy to cheat in such a precise way.

00:04:29.880 But I do think that the election was neither free nor fair.

00:04:32.300 There was violence, and there were threats of violence.

00:04:34.940 There were rule changes imposed by the Democrats through the courts against the will of the Republicans.

00:04:39.960 You know, if you're going to change the rules of the election, you have to do that together in a bipartisan way.

00:04:44.380 Everyone's got to agree on the rules for a fair fight.

00:04:47.340 If you're just imposing the rules that benefit your side against the other side, that's not fair.

00:04:52.200 There were also attempts at media censorship.

00:04:54.640 The Hunter Biden laptop was, in fact, censored a month before the election.

00:04:58.720 Many people said they would have changed their vote if they had known that Hunter Biden had confirmed the accusations of his father's corruption and influence peddling.

00:05:06.640 So there were many factors that went into making the last election unfree and unfair.

00:05:11.620 And we're heading in that direction.

00:05:13.660 It's not as bad this time because Elon Musk now owns Twitter, now known as X.

00:05:18.800 And I think the scrutiny has also forced some of the other people who openly participated in the unfairness to stay on the sidelines.

00:05:28.620 Mark Zuckerberg, for example, CEO of Facebook, gave $400 million in 2020 to so-called voter protection projects or I think it was safe election projects or whatever it was.

00:05:42.980 But invariably, the money was spent in Democratic districts in swing states on getting out the vote, ostensibly for a public purpose, but really to benefit Democrats.

00:05:51.080 So he's staying on the sidelines now.

00:05:53.540 We have seen some attempts.

00:05:55.040 I mean, the debate that we watched this past week on ABC News was rigged against Trump.

00:06:03.240 There's no other way to put it.

00:06:04.320 When the moderators interjected, by my count, seven times to fact-check Trump and never once interjected to fact-check Kamala Harris,

00:06:13.100 it's not because Kamala Harris never told lies or misstated the facts.

00:06:17.940 There were many cases in which she referred to hoaxes, completely debunked claims, and the moderator said nothing.

00:06:24.900 So it looks very much like the debate was rigged against Trump, and that's not an overreach to say that.

00:06:30.400 I think that ABC News deliberately made the debate harder for Trump.

00:06:34.660 That's not to say Trump couldn't have done better.

00:06:36.400 I think he could have had a better debate.

00:06:37.680 But he was up against not just his Democratic rival, but the two moderators as well.

00:06:42.040 So having said that, I do think this is a more winnable, fairer, maybe not completely fair, but fairer fight than in 2020.

00:06:49.920 Well, and that's what I was getting at because I remember your thesis four years ago was unfair, yeah, but they got that unfairness in legally.

00:07:00.820 So it wasn't like they were fraudulently rigging it.

00:07:05.000 They were legally rigging it by changing the rules, by having this mass mailing, vote harvesting, voting that's so different than what we're traditionally used to.

00:07:14.420 So I guess my question is, where there is this easy peasy, no voter ID, mail-in vote mush,

00:07:22.880 are those in places like California that really the Republican presidential candidate would have no hope whatsoever,

00:07:29.980 are the battleground states, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, some of those places,

00:07:37.480 are they as rigged or as tilted as they were last time?

00:07:43.040 Like, really, I think this election is going to probably come down to a half a dozen key states, right?

00:07:48.340 Nevada, maybe, Colorado.

00:07:49.580 And a half a dozen counties in states that are going to swing the election in their states.

00:07:53.660 In some places, they've managed to tighten things up so that even if they have vote by mail, people trust it more.

00:08:01.320 But Pennsylvania announced several weeks ago that people should not expect a result on election night.

00:08:06.100 Now, Florida has more people than Pennsylvania does, and Florida still turns out a result on election night.

00:08:12.480 Pennsylvania has said it can't.

00:08:13.940 And that's because Pennsylvania is going to be relying once again on vote by mail,

00:08:18.520 and it's going to take them a while to count all the ballots that have been postmarked by Election Day,

00:08:23.540 but not received by Election Day, and all kinds of other problems.

00:08:27.120 So, yeah, we're living in this weird situation where we're not going to know who has won the election, potentially,

00:08:33.060 until several days after it.

00:08:34.640 And then there will be challenges in court, plus there's the weird system that we have,

00:08:39.640 which I actually like, but it's weird and Byzantine, really, the Electoral College.

00:08:45.440 And I think that if Trump wins by a small margin overall, that is to say, if he wins, let's say, 280 or 290 Electoral College votes,

00:08:56.340 the minimum for victory is 270.

00:08:58.840 I think that the media and the Kamala Harris campaign and the Democratic Party will try to convince those electors,

00:09:05.640 who usually don't have a choice, but who have to cast a ballot,

00:09:10.440 they're going to try to pressure those electors to vote against Trump when the Electoral College meets to vote in mid-December,

00:09:17.320 thereby denying him that majority.

00:09:19.660 It's also possible, by the way, that if Michigan and Pennsylvania go to Donald Trump,

00:09:23.480 but Harris wins all the other states that Biden won in 2020,

00:09:27.140 you could have a 269-269 tie,

00:09:30.160 and then the House of Representatives would decide the winner on January 6th, 2025.

00:09:34.380 So it's going to be a tough fight long after Election Day.

00:09:38.640 Are they still using those voting machines?

00:09:41.560 There was a lot of litigation for people who criticized Dominion voting machines.

00:09:46.280 Believe it or not, we got a legal threat from Dominion and their high-powered law firm.

00:09:51.000 We pushed back at them and basically said, come get us, and they didn't.

00:09:54.720 We didn't say anything defamatory.

00:09:56.500 We just said they were involved in various scandals up here, which they were.

00:10:00.080 Are they still involved?

00:10:02.240 Are those – and I'm not going down any theories here.

00:10:05.160 I'm just saying in Canada, one of the few things that I think we can toot our horn about is we actually mark a ballot on paper,

00:10:14.620 and they're counted on paper.

00:10:15.700 I was in the United Kingdom for their election,

00:10:17.700 and they count them and they stack them and they review them in hand in one building,

00:10:24.840 and everyone's there until 4 a.m. because they check and double-check and no one leaves that room.

00:10:30.460 And I felt like that was the most secure thing I'd ever seen in my life.

00:10:33.960 How come America has this weird system?

00:10:36.500 Are they still using the weird – with the digital machines?

00:10:40.180 So I don't think the machines have much to do with it.

00:10:44.580 I mean, if you're looking for the potential for fraud,

00:10:48.220 you have to look at the standards used when the ballots are checked,

00:10:53.040 when signatures are verified, and things like that.

00:10:55.160 I'll give you an example.

00:10:56.860 A few years ago, we had an effort here in Los Angeles County, where I live,

00:11:01.100 to recall the district attorney, the public prosecutor,

00:11:05.220 who is a far-left-wing, George Soros-supported prosecutor

00:11:08.640 who has allowed a massive crime wave here in Los Angeles.

00:11:12.340 And the people organizing a petition drive to force a recall election

00:11:18.380 turned in 26% more than the minimum number of signatures required.

00:11:26.680 The L.A. County officials went through the petitions,

00:11:29.420 and they disqualified 27% of those submitted,

00:11:33.340 just enough to disqualify the petition drive

00:11:37.560 and to prevent the recall election.

00:11:39.560 And what's interesting to me is they found an error rate of 27%,

00:11:43.380 basically 1 in 4.

00:11:45.100 But during the general election of 2020,

00:11:48.240 they found errors in fewer than 1% of the vote-by-mail ballots

00:11:53.540 that were sent in.

00:11:54.340 So how does the error rate go from less than 1%

00:11:59.080 in a general election with so many more ballots

00:12:01.640 and so many more people participating,

00:12:03.820 to 1 in 4, 27%, in a signature drive?

00:12:09.040 Now, I understand that these signatures can be collected outside stores,

00:12:12.480 and maybe people have messy handwriting or whatever it is

00:12:14.780 when they put their addresses down.

00:12:16.160 But the difference to me, and I did some investigative reporting about this,

00:12:19.540 is basically in the way they verify the signatures.

00:12:22.540 When they do it in the election,

00:12:24.340 they can set the machines to count signatures certain ways.

00:12:27.580 But when they do it in the petition drives,

00:12:30.260 they actually have county officials sitting through

00:12:32.440 and going through each page

00:12:33.580 and comparing the signatures on the petitions to the ones on file.

00:12:37.000 When you have humans intervening in every single signature,

00:12:40.240 you have a far higher likelihood

00:12:42.260 that the signatures are going to be rejected.

00:12:44.940 And they can be rejected for small reasons.

00:12:46.760 We don't know.

00:12:47.260 Maybe the loop on the L or the J was too large or something.

00:12:50.880 So we have this different way of measuring signatures.

00:12:55.400 And when the Democrats who run Los Angeles County want to count ballots,

00:12:59.860 they are more lenient in their standards.

00:13:01.800 They let the machine do it.

00:13:03.020 And, you know, you can set the machine in different ways.

00:13:04.680 And I'm not, again, I'm not pointing a finger at Dominion at all.

00:13:06.640 I'm just saying this is how it's done.

00:13:08.080 I don't know if it's Dominion machines at all used in L.A. County.

00:13:10.140 Whatever system they have, a computer that takes a picture, I don't know.

00:13:12.560 But they can set the parameters there.

00:13:15.480 And when they want to stop something from happening,

00:13:17.720 then they have their own county employees sit and go through the signatures.

00:13:23.100 And by the way, there are no campaign observers allowed in the room when they do that.

00:13:26.580 Unlike an election when you have campaign observers watching the vote count,

00:13:30.360 when it comes to petition drives, suddenly, miraculously,

00:13:33.180 we don't have any provision for allowing the observers in the room.

00:13:37.060 So there are so many ways to do this

00:13:39.780 and so many ways to get the outcome you want.

00:13:41.720 And I think this is now a crisis of legitimacy, really, in American democracy.

00:13:47.960 And I, again, I don't think, look, the point I made in my book,

00:13:51.420 Neither Free Nor Fair, was if you look at the counting of the votes,

00:13:54.340 and everyone likes that phrase by Stalin, you know, it's show me who counts the votes, right?

00:13:59.100 But it's not happening just at the counting of votes or what ballots are in the box.

00:14:04.280 It's everything that happens leading up to that point.

00:14:06.640 So if you're suppressing information, if you're prosecuting people,

00:14:10.440 and, you know, I have said this election is better,

00:14:12.320 but, you know, I'm reminded now that my former boss, Steve Bannon,

00:14:15.540 is basically a political prisoner taken off the political field in a partisan prosecution.

00:14:20.040 You know, when you do things like that, you are creating a system that is unfair.

00:14:24.040 I have a question to ask you, actually, since you mentioned the Canadian election.

00:14:27.780 And you want to know why it's different in America.

00:14:31.120 There are ways we could certainly improve our elections here.

00:14:33.400 I'm very much in favor of that.

00:14:34.640 However, it runs into a problem, which is that we don't have a parliamentary system.

00:14:39.360 And I don't want to move to a parliamentary system.

00:14:41.100 But in Canada, how many things do you vote on in a typical election?

00:14:44.640 How many choices, how many questions are on a ballot?

00:14:48.480 You mean, like, referendum questions?

00:14:51.200 When you show up to vote, I mean, you have, you know, in most countries, it's just one choice.

00:14:55.700 Which party?

00:14:56.760 You know, you ask to vote which party.

00:14:59.080 Well, in Canada, it's which party's candidate.

00:15:02.340 So, you have the name of the candidate and then the name of the party.

00:15:07.920 And there's a list with all the names of the candidates and the parties under it.

00:15:12.800 And you just mark an X.

00:15:14.340 And you don't have a ranking system.

00:15:16.360 You just mark one X.

00:15:18.100 Okay.

00:15:18.380 And how many other things are on the ballot?

00:15:20.120 So, when we vote, we're not just voting for president.

00:15:22.780 We're voting for governor and senator and representative.

00:15:25.020 And then we're voting for dozens of judges.

00:15:26.980 And in fact, you don't actually vote for the prime minister.

00:15:31.360 You just vote for your local member of parliament.

00:15:34.440 And then afterwards, the party that has the most members of parliament, their leader is chosen as the prime minister.

00:15:41.600 So, we don't have a direct election of our prime minister.

00:15:44.020 Right. So, anytime anyone says we need to count ballots by hand, and I've observed elections in South Africa where they do count ballots by hand.

00:15:51.180 And again, there it's just a question of which party do you want.

00:15:53.540 In local elections, which counselor do you want?

00:15:55.460 But basically, it's one question on one ballot.

00:15:57.840 Yeah.

00:15:58.000 In my typical California ballot, I may have something like 30 to 40 things to vote on.

00:16:04.840 And it's ballot initiatives, it's judges, it's local offices, state offices, federal offices, the president.

00:16:12.140 So, how do you hand count ballots 30 or 40 times for each of these different offices?

00:16:17.360 You can't do it.

00:16:18.440 So, we have to actually have some kind of automated system for counting the ballots.

00:16:22.160 You can have a hand count if you want for specific offices when you have a recount, for example, if you think the machines haven't counted properly or there might have been some mistake or irregularity somewhere.

00:16:30.940 But we do need an automated system.

00:16:33.380 We also, however, can improve the safeguards around that automated process, such as voter ID and such as making sure people register in advance and not simply on the day of so that they show up somewhere and bog the system and you can't verify people in time and you just wave them through and let them vote.

00:16:48.900 I mean, there are so many other things we can do that we're not doing.

00:16:51.880 So, I don't think we need to move to hand counting of ballots unless we want to adopt a parliamentary model.

00:16:57.220 And, you know, there are some people who suggest we should do what they call straight ticket voting, which is basically our version of a parliamentary vote, where instead of voting for all this stuff, you just say, I'm voting for whoever the Republicans have chosen for all 40 of these questions.

00:17:08.500 You know, you can vote straight ticket.

00:17:11.640 It's difficult to go to hand voting, but we can improve everything else around the voting process.

00:17:17.860 And we're not doing it.

00:17:18.940 And the reason we're not doing it right now is because Republicans can't force Democrats to accept the changes.

00:17:23.460 Democrats believe the current system favors them, but also because when Republicans get into office, they don't change things when they think it favors them.

00:17:29.820 We have a problem of incumbency and incumbents not wanting to change a system from which they benefit.

00:17:35.020 Well, I'm terrified by what you've said because I think the Republicans have to win by the margin of lawyer.

00:17:44.300 You know, they have to win by so much that it can't be finagled or litigated.

00:17:48.420 And I'm not sure if that's going to happen.

00:17:51.520 Now, Kamala Harris, I find her grating, that cackling voice.

00:17:58.160 So I think aesthetically, I find her a turnoff.

00:18:02.460 I but just on the substance of it, I think she's I don't think it's contentious to say she's the most left wing. 0.99

00:18:10.140 She was the most left wing senator in in the chamber. 0.99

00:18:14.900 I think she's I think she's awful, but she has the entire orchestra of the mainstream media behind her that that are making her look as good as possible and unanimously pressuring for her throughout all the cultural levers out there. 1.00

00:18:30.700 I mean, I think you could take a fence post and get them to 40 percent in the polls if you just have the Democratic war machine behind them.

00:18:41.960 I remember you and I talking about her before.

00:18:43.880 I mean, she dropped out of the race for the presidential nomination four years ago, I think, with one percent of the support.

00:18:49.720 She didn't even have her own state of California behind her. 0.96

00:18:52.880 Can they do the Pygmalion story, you know, turning turning an ugly duckling into a beautiful princess?

00:18:59.460 Can they just fake it till they make it and get her across the finish line? 0.87

00:19:04.120 They can if Trump lets them.

00:19:06.280 And I think Trump has to step up and do a better job of explaining the case for his election and explaining the case against her.

00:19:13.460 And it's been very frustrating because the media don't ask her questions.

00:19:17.520 And in that debate, the moderators were completely on her side.

00:19:21.620 They fact check Trump so many times and fact checked her never.

00:19:25.160 And you can't expect any objectivity from our media.

00:19:28.740 You just can't. So you've got to make the case yourself if you're Donald Trump.

00:19:32.420 And at Breitbart, we've actually put up 100 videos showing Kamala's positions.

00:19:37.680 It's in one article and it shows you in her own words what her radical left wing positions actually are on the issues. 0.94

00:19:45.200 And that's the sort of thing that needs to happen.

00:19:47.100 Trump campaign can't do it all.

00:19:48.500 But it is possible that she'll win with this effort because Democrats are unifying around her. 1.00

00:19:55.260 They don't want to talk about her policies, which are terrible.

00:19:58.220 They don't want to talk about her achievements, which are nil.

00:20:00.720 But they do see her as a standard bearer for their party against Donald Trump.

00:20:05.040 They are an anti-Trump party at the moment.

00:20:06.860 That's basically what unifies them.

00:20:08.300 And they are going to rally around her.

00:20:10.420 That's going to be enough for them to be very competitive on November 5th.

00:20:14.660 What Trump has to do is make the case that America cannot survive another four years of the same people running the country into the ground.

00:20:20.480 And it needs to reelect him to bring him back.

00:20:24.060 Remember the prosperity of the four years under Trump before the pandemic.

00:20:27.140 And remember the peace in the world, the Abraham Accords, the fact that Russia didn't invade anybody during the period that Trump was president.

00:20:35.060 I think people know that.

00:20:36.200 I think people understand that.

00:20:37.820 And I don't think Kamala Harris has done much to convince voters in the middle or voters who are sitting on the fence that they should move over to her side. 0.73

00:20:43.540 She really has not done a good job of reaching out to independent voters or voters in swing states.

00:20:47.800 It's mostly just been a message aimed at driving out her base and getting them out to vote.

00:20:54.040 Yeah.

00:20:54.420 I know you've got to run, but I want to ask you one last question.

00:20:56.680 And it's about Joe Biden.

00:20:57.940 I saw this video of Joe Biden at some event and someone was wearing a ball cap, MAGA, Make America Great Again.

00:21:05.220 And they had a little bit of banter.

00:21:07.500 And then Joe Biden said, here, let me put on that hat.

00:21:10.540 And he put on the Trump hat and then he made some joke about pets.

00:21:15.500 Where we have reporters in Springfield, Ohio, right now, where Trump in the debate talked about Haitian migrants eating pets.

00:21:23.080 And, you know, look at this hat video.

00:21:24.760 Just take a look at this.

00:21:25.780 And I want to want to say something and then ask you about it.

00:21:28.960 There you go.

00:21:29.860 Yeah.

00:21:32.300 Yeah.

00:21:33.880 Yeah.

00:21:35.660 Hey.

00:21:36.840 I'm proud of you now.

00:21:39.020 Sorry.

00:21:41.140 Huh?

00:21:41.540 Just remember, no eating dogs and cats.

00:21:44.660 So people are laughing at that because it is sort of funny to see Biden wear a MAGA hat.

00:21:50.180 And some people are saying, oh, he's really sticking it to Kamala Harris.

00:21:54.000 I don't think so.

00:21:55.580 I don't think he even knew what was on it.

00:21:57.400 I think he he really feels oblivious.

00:22:00.140 That sort of stare he has.

00:22:02.220 And when he just sort of stays very, very still.

00:22:06.000 And then it says something cryptic, almost like Chauncey Gardner in that Peter Sellers movie being there.

00:22:12.600 You know, he says like five words and people say, oh, that was very deep.

00:22:17.500 I don't know if you ever saw that movie with Peter Sellers.

00:22:20.340 Here's a clip of it to show you what I mean.

00:22:23.120 In a garden, growth has its season.

00:22:29.440 First comes spring and summer.

00:22:32.400 But then we have fall and winter.

00:22:37.920 And then we get spring and summer again.

00:22:41.740 I don't think Joe Biden is mentally engaged.

00:22:43.880 I saw a statistic that 40 percent of his time since becoming president has been on holiday.

00:22:48.480 I bet it's more than that.

00:22:49.840 And when he's in Washington, I don't think he's engaged.

00:22:52.420 I don't know who's running the country.

00:22:54.260 I don't know who's making the decisions about the wars in the world.

00:22:57.640 I don't know who's making the decision about anything.

00:23:00.260 I'm pretty sure it never was Joe Biden.

00:23:02.520 Kamala Harris is busy campaigning.

00:23:04.600 Can I ask you who's running America right now?

00:23:08.060 Well, we don't know.

00:23:09.140 And it's the staff, basically.

00:23:11.160 And it's always been like that with Joe Biden, as you point out.

00:23:15.060 Ron Klein was his chief of staff who basically was acting as president for two years before he left.

00:23:21.960 Look, that incident with the hat, I think what happened was more likely.

00:23:25.380 And I don't know everything around what happened there.

00:23:27.600 But my impression is that Biden showed up on September 11th in Pennsylvania to pay honor and pay homage to the people of Flight 93 who resisted the Al-Qaeda terrorists.

00:23:38.860 And the plane ultimately crashed.

00:23:40.880 But Biden showed up there.

00:23:42.160 And it's a rural part of Pennsylvania.

00:23:43.800 It happens to have a lot of Trump supporters there.

00:23:45.580 So the people who came to his event were wearing Trump T-shirts and Trump hats and so forth.

00:23:50.380 And they included a lot of children, people that you can't say no to.

00:23:55.520 And I think what happened was Biden was caught in a bind.

00:23:58.180 He was at this 9-11 memorial that was the focus of his day.

00:24:00.860 And there were all these people who showed up in Trump gear.

00:24:03.800 And I think if he had refused to play along, I think it would have looked bad.

00:24:08.000 He couldn't leave.

00:24:08.740 He couldn't walk out because it would have been disrespectful to the memorial.

00:24:11.400 So he posed for pictures with some of the people with their Trump gear.

00:24:14.320 And I think it was all in good fun.

00:24:15.980 And maybe, look, maybe he just, I don't want to speculate about his mental state, which, as you point out, isn't always there.

00:24:20.460 But maybe he's just enjoying not having to run, and he can have the kind of playful moments with Americans that aren't set up and managed by consultants.

00:24:28.320 And he knows Trump is a cultural phenomenon.

00:24:30.440 I don't think he's throwing Kamala Harris under the bus. 0.99

00:24:32.340 But the fact is that Trump is a folk hero.

00:24:34.940 And even though half the country is going to go out and vote against him, he is still, in some ways, revered by Americans.

00:24:42.340 I interviewed left-wing Americans right after the assassination attempt who were very impressed that he got up from a bullet wound.

00:24:47.320 They're not going to vote for him.

00:24:48.120 They want to see him defeated.

00:24:49.300 But there's something about that moment and other Trumpian moments that have made him a familiar figure.

00:24:55.920 I mean, you know, I try not to talk politics too much with my kids.

00:25:00.060 But at dinner the other night, my three-year-old burst out and just started shouting the name Donald Trump.

00:25:05.580 I don't know where she heard it.

00:25:07.220 But, you know, kids know who he is.

00:25:09.480 And, you know, it's part of our popular culture now.

00:25:12.920 So I think Biden was just having some fun.

00:25:14.440 I mean, that's my explanation.

00:25:16.240 That's what I think is like this.

00:25:17.380 I don't really know.

00:25:18.020 I think he was having fun.

00:25:20.240 But I don't even think he knew what was on the head.

00:25:22.180 I honestly don't even know if he knew.

00:25:23.820 I think he knew.

00:25:24.560 I think he understood when he saw the red T-shirts and, you know, this was a friendly crowd but not a politically supportive crowd.

00:25:33.080 And I think he just had to roll with it.

00:25:34.320 Well, you know, I'll go with your happier interpretation.

00:25:37.940 Well, Joe, listen, it's great to catch up with you.

00:25:39.480 I know you're so busy.

00:25:40.700 And I appreciate you carving out some time for us.

00:25:43.880 And, you know, we're going to send – we're going to have a very special project.

00:25:47.540 I'm not going to announce it now.

00:25:48.560 But we have a very special way to cover the U.S. presidential election.

00:25:52.340 We'll announce it, oh, I guess, in a couple weeks' time.

00:25:56.100 So we'll have our own.

00:25:57.960 We're from Canada.

00:25:59.280 We don't have a strong president in America.

00:26:01.480 But I think we'll have a special way of covering it, Joel.

00:26:03.260 We'll make sure to let you know about that.

00:26:04.800 Take care, my friend, and thanks for your time.

00:26:06.960 Thank you so much, Edward.

00:26:07.780 All right, there you have it, Joel Pollack, senior editor-at-large at Breitbart.com.

00:26:11.500 Stay with us.

00:26:12.560 Your letters to me next.

00:26:26.100 Hey, welcome back.

00:26:27.000 Your letters to me.

00:26:28.180 On the immigration poll I showed you a couple days ago, Cruella says,

00:26:32.600 take surveys with a grain of salt.

00:26:34.080 We don't know what the question that was asked in entirety to the survey

00:26:38.040 and percentage ill-represent or misled the narrative.

00:26:41.140 Okay, I'm slightly less skeptical than you because most polls actually,

00:26:47.580 in sort of the fine print, show you the exact wording of the poll question.

00:26:52.480 Listen, you're good to be skeptical.

00:26:53.740 I agree with that outlook on life, especially with discredited political institutions.

00:26:59.620 But I think pollsters, at least most mainstream pollsters,

00:27:05.420 they ask questions that can withstand scrutiny.

00:27:08.240 I just don't think they would get clients otherwise.

00:27:13.580 Crazy Canna Corso Lady, if I'm saying that right, says, 1.00

00:27:17.460 my city, Syria, in British Columbia now looks like India.

00:27:20.700 Even my local park, there's no baseball anymore.

00:27:23.220 They play cricket.

00:27:24.880 Trudeau literally imported India into Canada and erased our Western traditions and values.

00:27:28.580 It really is astonishing.

00:27:31.920 I've never been to India.

00:27:33.620 It's the world's most populous country.

00:27:36.380 It's now larger than China. 0.57

00:27:39.520 And it's a democracy.

00:27:41.080 It has its flaws.

00:27:42.540 But the idea that we are going to take literally millions of people from India makes no sense.

00:27:49.740 That we're taking them as students here makes no sense.

00:27:52.940 That we're taking them as foreign workers to undermine our own workers makes no sense. 0.98

00:27:56.740 And the worst of all is that India, if you can believe this, 1.00

00:28:00.820 you're not going to believe the words that come out of my mouth next.

00:28:03.860 India is the number one source of refugees to Canada.

00:28:07.840 India is a country at peace.

00:28:10.260 It is a democracy.

00:28:11.440 It has an opposition.

00:28:12.800 It is a multi-ethnic country.

00:28:14.460 They had a Sikh prime minister fairly recently.

00:28:17.980 They have a Hindu prime minister.

00:28:19.560 They have different ethnicities.

00:28:21.240 I wouldn't want to live there myself because I'm not Indian.

00:28:23.680 I want to live here in Canada.

00:28:24.980 But the idea that someone from India is a refugee and we take them. 0.93

00:28:29.400 And Mexico, that's in the top four countries too.

00:28:32.400 Absolute madness.

00:28:33.900 And I think economically, it's devastating to this country.

00:28:38.820 But I think culturally and just the sense of nation.

00:28:42.980 And Trudeau is destroying this place.

00:28:44.780 On Cats Canada, the woman who was smeared by Mark Gerritsen, Wamba says,

00:28:53.200 Christia Freeland studied Russia in university.

00:28:56.780 So if anyone is a Russian asset, it is her. 0.97

00:28:59.900 Well, I mean, I think she is some sort of a spy operative. 0.99

00:29:03.940 She went to the Soviet Union and I think was kicked out.

00:29:07.300 This was when she was a student.

00:29:08.820 I think that she has been a more likely a CIA asset, not just with her trip to the Soviet

00:29:18.460 Union, but her interactions with the Ukrainian government.

00:29:23.260 I don't know.

00:29:24.000 I think that the way I would characterize Christia Freeland is without merit.

00:29:29.540 I don't think she has the skills to be a finance minister. 0.99

00:29:33.100 I think that she is a terrible communicator. 0.98

00:29:36.200 I think she's atrociously condescending.

00:29:38.620 I wouldn't call her a Russian asset, though.

00:29:40.820 I think she's an anti-Russian asset.

00:29:45.220 Neither of which has anything to do with her Canadian obligations now, does it?

00:29:50.040 That's our show for today.

00:29:51.400 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good

00:29:54.740 night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:30:03.460 David Menzies for Rebel News here in Springfield, Ohio.

00:30:06.880 And, of course, Springfield is very much in the news these days.

00:30:10.500 President Trump referenced this small city a couple of nights ago in the presidential

00:30:15.860 debate.

00:30:16.480 In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in.

00:30:21.400 They're eating the cats.

00:30:22.800 They're eating the pets of the people that live there.

00:30:28.160 And this is what's happening in our country, and it's a shame.

00:30:31.940 And the reason is the large influx of Haitian migrants, the numbers range from 12,000 to

00:30:40.040 20,000.

00:30:41.320 And it's a significant number because Springfield's population is around 50,000.

00:30:46.420 So it is a huge influx of migrants from a different culture.

00:30:52.380 They speak a different language.

00:30:54.760 And, of course, the most notorious thing, we're trying to confirm if the rumors are true,

00:31:00.480 is that wildlife and pets are being kidnapped and either eaten or sacrificed in some kind

00:31:08.420 of voodoo ritual.

00:31:09.780 But I know he was crying and upset because they killed his cats.

00:31:14.520 You know, people talked about their dogs being stolen and eating. 0.98

00:31:18.120 It's ridiculous. 1.00

00:31:19.040 They're mongrels. 1.00

00:31:20.000 Biden did this.

00:31:21.400 We need Trump back in office.

00:31:23.120 We do.

00:31:24.100 And I'm voting for Trump.

00:31:25.880 Trump gets back in office, we might get our city back.

00:31:29.160 I mean, this city's small anyway.

00:31:31.000 But as you can see behind me, this is the factory for Dole.

00:31:36.620 And we were tipped off by one local source in Springfield that many of the Haitian migrants

00:31:45.420 are indeed employed in factories at industrial parks like this one.

00:31:52.020 His allegation was that the wages are too low and the work is too arduous for the locals

00:31:59.440 to take on.

00:32:00.480 I don't know if that's true or not, but that was his take.

00:32:03.800 And he said that is one of the drivers for the Haitian migrants coming to Little Springfield,

00:32:11.040 Ohio.

00:32:11.880 Mirzu says he came to Springfield for the same reason most Haitians did.

00:32:16.600 He heard that housing was cheap and jobs were plentiful.

00:32:19.920 Jamie McGregor is the CEO of McGregor Metal, which makes welded parts for the auto and farm

00:32:25.040 industries.

00:32:25.720 Right now, about 10% of his workforce is Haitian.

00:32:29.260 Over 30 employees.

00:32:31.480 I wish I had 30 more.

00:32:32.980 Our Haitian associates come to work every day.

00:32:35.120 They don't have a drug problem.

00:32:36.680 They'll stay at their machine.

00:32:37.980 They'll achieve their numbers.

00:32:39.260 They are here to work.

00:32:40.180 Now, my cameraman, Lincoln Jay, and I, we've been out here for almost an hour.

00:32:45.820 We tried to get an interview.

00:32:48.160 We were told by security we had to leave immediately.

00:32:51.440 And we were also told that Dole Corporate Media Affairs, they would have nothing to say

00:32:57.560 to us either, and that we weren't the only media outlet to come by in recent days.

00:33:03.920 Bonjour.

00:33:05.520 How are you?

00:33:06.220 My name is David.

00:33:09.140 I am a journalist.

00:33:11.360 And we're doing a story about Haitians?

00:33:15.240 Creole.

00:33:15.620 Creole.

00:33:16.800 Okay, then.

00:33:18.180 Are you from Haiti?

00:33:20.480 Haiti.

00:33:21.260 Yes.

00:33:22.000 And yourself, ma'am?

00:33:23.460 No.

00:33:24.600 And do you work here at the Dole Plant?

00:33:27.460 Yeah, I'm from Dole.

00:33:29.300 Dole.

00:33:29.840 Okay, then.

00:33:30.480 all right thank you very much how you doing hi I'm David Menzies no French

00:33:40.380 are you from Haiti French okay French hey Haitian you see French I don't

00:33:47.360 unfortunately no but so are you Haitian no you're not from Haiti

00:33:57.240 okay then yeah all right the locals don't want to work or can't work in these jobs

00:34:06.300 and that's what's driving this Haitian migration is that correct or is there some

00:34:12.780 other reason I honestly believe you can go down any street on South Fountain and

00:34:17.160 see it's not the Haitians is asking for money it's Americans and Americans have

00:34:23.040 since I think kovat hit become lazy and they don't want to go to work so the 1.00

00:34:27.480 only way to get the economy back up and rolling is get people working and sir

00:34:31.860 how many Haitians would you say are working in the dole plant a few a few

00:34:37.320 hundred a few thousand a few you're being cryptic about that but how about what

00:34:44.640 kind of workers are they what kind of jobs do they do at the dole factory they do

00:34:48.780 every job that anybody else does I I don't know a supervisor that's a Haitian

00:34:53.280 but I can tell you they are fully capable of doing every job that any

00:34:57.900 American does in here a lot of things get stereotyped I mean we can watch the

00:35:02.940 debate and people talked about people are eating dogs and cats they're eating

00:35:06.780 the dogs the people that came in they're eating the cats they're eating 0.83

00:35:11.100 they're eating the pets of the people that live there and this is what's

00:35:17.040 happening in our country and it's a shame I think you would have to be absolute 0.99

00:35:21.640 dumbass to even think that another human being is going to eat a dog or a cat did 1.00

00:35:28.540 you eat that cat did you eat it now why'd you kill it 1.00

00:35:37.220 get in there did you guys see all this no we pulled up and she was just laying there

00:35:43.940 with you did you see her eating it she was eating it yeah

00:35:48.720 she said but if blood on her shoes she said she stumped it out

00:35:55.460 Springfield's around 50,000 the number of Haitians I've heard is anywhere from 12 to

00:36:02.120 20,000 and it's a different culture a different language are they assimilating

00:36:08.780 into the American lifestyle I mean I think everything's a big adjustment I

00:36:14.120 mean put yourself in shoes if you go to another country how long is it gonna take

00:36:17.660 you to adjust I know here at jobs at other jobs it takes 30 days to break a good

00:36:25.100 habit or a bad habit so to think that they're just gonna come here and know

00:36:29.300 something I know a bunch of kids everybody got kids do your kids know

00:36:33.700 something or do you teach them and the same things here if Haitians are having 0.91

00:36:38.480 issues or whoever's having an issue instead of talking about them why not

00:36:42.680 take the time to show them is it true that the jobs aren't necessarily very high

00:36:48.680 paying and that the jobs are tough for example working for hours in a cold room

00:36:54.140 there's plenty of jobs all the way across the United States that have 35 degrees

00:37:06.380 there's also other factories that have over a hundred degrees it's kind of like

00:37:09.740 your preference do you want to go to work and work in cold or you want to go to

00:37:13.340 work and work in the heat do I want to go outside and lay roofing shingles do I

00:37:16.900 want to go map mow grass or do I want a factory job do I want an STNA job where I

00:37:21.240 clean and take care of older people or do I want to go to school and teach it's 1.00

00:37:24.420 kind of like what profession fits you best so to answer that question

00:37:28.080 correctly I don't think there is a correct answer because there's so many

00:37:31.320 opportunities and I believe that's what Haitians immigrants of any sort they

00:37:36.840 come here just looking for the American dream and whatever dream that they're

00:37:41.240 having I'm pretty sure that the reason they're here is because it's better than

00:37:44.820 the situation that they were in I would I would like to say I am almost a hundred

00:37:50.280 I'm well I can't say almost and then say a hundred so I'm about ninety nine

00:37:54.360 percent ninety nine point nine percent sure that people are not eating pets a

00:38:00.000 lot of those allegations are false I believe somebody actually said that they

00:38:04.800 saw a tree a cat hanging from a tree now if I came out and saw my pet hanging I'll

00:38:09.540 probably call the police but there was no police call ever made a lot of people are

00:38:13.440 taking Facebook and images of things that happen in other cities and other

00:38:18.240 states and try and make it seem like it's here and instead of being a follower

00:38:22.920 Springfield needs more leaders before I spoke to the supervisor Sean who went to

00:38:28.560 bat for the Haitian workers here unfortunately wouldn't tell is precisely

00:38:32.340 how many are here we were talking about there are ads online in French

00:38:40.800 enticing workers to come to the to some of the factories in this industrial park

00:38:49.240 and the question arises why would it be in French are you attracting workers from

00:38:54.900 Haiti are you attracting workers from Quebec or France so it looks like there is

00:39:00.540 very much credence to the position that Haitians are being brought over here 1.00

00:39:06.840 indeed to work in these factories I wish somebody from dole would come on camera

00:39:12.720 but as we were told that's a no-go not even media relations will touch this

00:39:19.380 perhaps it's just too much of a third rail issue yeah you do it okay is this a

00:39:27.660 the problem continue to go on the property oh what is the what is the

00:39:32.340 property line sir as of right now you guys have trespassed many times so

00:39:35.740 Springfield police appear in about five minutes to actually trespass you guys we

00:39:39.000 didn't think we were trespassing I asked you guys nicely oh no no but we are we

00:39:44.940 didn't go into the parking lot isn't this berm municipal property I'm sorry this is

00:39:50.180 our property the whole entire grassland is our property we ask you guys to please

00:39:52.920 leave okay all right well leave I didn't know we were breaking law I didn't think

00:40:09.360 that was your property and we didn't even step on your parking yes sir well

00:40:13.620 folks we're back in our car we're gonna head back out into the main section of

00:40:17.640 town things are getting a little testy here the security guards have told us

00:40:24.120 that this berm which I thought was municipal property evidently that's their

00:40:30.720 private property I had no idea that I was trespassing and I immediately got off

00:40:35.700 the berm I mean we didn't even go on to the parking lot so we are leaving because

00:40:42.680 he threatened to call the police we don't want to cause an international

00:40:47.960 incident but yeah it the question arises why is there such uber sensitivity about

00:40:56.720 Haitians being employed here we've seen it with our own eyes we've spoken to a

00:41:02.300 supervisor at the plant that confirms it the cats out of the bag doll so I don't

00:41:09.260 think shutting down the media especially here in the land of the First

00:41:13.700 Amendment I don't think that's a good PR strategy but we don't want to spend the

00:41:19.520 night in jail so off we go for Rebel News I'm David the Menzoid Menzies 0.97

00:41:26.660 well folks the reason why we came all the way from Toronto was to really find out

00:41:32.780 what is happening in Springfield Ohio why is there a such a huge Haitian migrant 1.00

00:41:42.680 influx to this city and really are those rumors about the animals and pets are they

00:41:50.760 true or are they outrageous allegations I think it's an important story I hope you

00:41:56.340 agree could you please go to our website thetruthaboutspringfield.com that's

00:42:03.140 thetruthaboutspringfield.com all in Lincoln and I are probably going to run up

00:42:07.720 expenses of twelve hundred dollars for gas food and lodging we think this is a very

00:42:13.900 important story I hope you agree please if you can make a donation

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Rebel News Podcast - September 13, 2024

EZRA LEVANT ｜ ABC News rigs presidential debate against Republican Candidate Donald Trump

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