Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT： Alberta company prosecuted for lying about carbon offsets — but aren't they all liars？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Big show today. First of all, I'll tell you the news about Stephen Gilboa,

00:00:04.460 the environment minister. He made an announcement overseas that he intends to shut down the oil and

00:00:09.420 gas industry by 2050 or earlier. Now, that might seem very far into the future, but it's only 26

00:00:16.360 and a half years away. I'll give you the details on that. And then we talked to a lawyer who was

00:00:22.500 representing Randy Hillier and Derek Sloan, two conservative politicians who were charged with

00:00:27.480 violating a lockdown law. We'll tell you the happy result in that case. But first, let me invite you

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00:00:57.480 Tonight, an Alberta company is prosecuted for lying about carbon offsets, but

00:01:13.820 aren't they all lying? It's July 14th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:18.480 Two news stories today that fit together like a hand in a glove. Here's the first one. Stephen

00:01:39.380 Gilboa, the convicted criminal that Trudeau appointed to be Canada's environment minister,

00:01:44.120 he announced to a foreign audience, of course, that he wants to phase out fossil fuels by 2050

00:01:50.400 or earlier, he says. That might sound very far into the future, but it's actually not. We're

00:01:56.700 halfway through 2023. It's almost 2024. So imagine phasing out every natural gas stove, every furnace,

00:02:05.580 every barbecue, every car and truck, except for Tesla, I guess, every ship, every airplane,

00:02:12.440 every tractor, every combine, most power plants. Just here in Canada, though, mind you,

00:02:18.780 the rest of the world is going full tilt with fossil fuels. Here's CNN. Their story says,

00:02:25.960 China approved equivalent of two new coal plants a week in 2022, report finds. China is surging ahead

00:02:36.040 with coal. A new report shows, rapidly approving and building new power plants despite its own

00:02:41.060 promises to cut back on carbon as the world plunges ever deeper into the climate crisis.

00:02:47.920 Last year, are you feeling the crisis? Are you nervous? They want you to be nervous.

00:02:52.540 The pandemic's gone, so this is how they're going to make you afraid. Last year, the country approved

00:02:56.640 the highest number of new coal-fired power plants since 2015. According to the report released Monday by

00:03:02.520 the Center for Research on Energy and Clean Air and the Global Energy Monitor. Don't say. So China 0.98

00:03:10.640 isn't following the rules that we're supposed to follow. Here's how the left-wing NPR, National

00:03:16.120 Public Radio, put it. Their headline was, China is building six times more new coal plants than other

00:03:21.760 countries, report finds. Than other countries combined. Let me read you the line so you know that's not an

00:03:27.020 error. They're quoting a research analyst. Everybody else is moving away from coal, and China seems to be

00:03:32.900 stepping on the gas, she says. We saw that China has six times as much plants starting construction

00:03:39.000 as the rest of the world combined. But she's not quite right when she says everyone is moving

00:03:45.760 off coal. That's just not true. Brazil isn't. Indonesia isn't. India isn't. India really tied for

00:03:53.040 China. It's the largest, most populous country. Look at this story. India power giant to add more

00:04:00.220 coal plants to meet soaring demand. Oh, okay. Anyways, back to our guy. We're so proud of him,

00:04:08.060 Stephen Gilboa. He was jetting around the world, as climate activists tend to do. He was in Brussels,

00:04:13.860 Belgium, which is lovely. And here's what he told them. He said, according to this report,

00:04:19.160 Canadian minister, fossil fuels must be phased out no later than 2050. World nations must agree to

00:04:25.160 phase out unabated fossil fuels no later than 2050 and earlier, if possible, says Stephen Gilboa.

00:04:31.460 With any residual oil and gas emissions mitigated thanks to carbon capture and storage technology,

00:04:36.520 he told, you're active in an interview. They asked a follow-up question. They said,

00:04:41.020 the EU, the European Union, is pushing for a phase out of unabated fossil fuels well ahead of 2050.

00:04:48.420 Does Canada support a date for this? And he says, in its April communique, the G7 agreed that we

00:04:55.440 needed to eliminate unabated fossil fuels at the latest by 2050. And I think we will collectively

00:05:01.360 strive to do this more rapidly. The discussion has started and it will undoubtedly continue until

00:05:07.220 COP28. COP28 is the name of the annual conference, Conference of the Parties. This is their 28th annual

00:05:14.060 meeting to deal with global warming. They love it. I mean, if there was no fight to fight,

00:05:19.040 they couldn't get together and jut around every year. They love the crisis. It's like the poverty

00:05:23.460 industry. They don't want to get rid of poverty. It's how they get rich. It's really an annual

00:05:28.080 reunion of politicians and bureaucrats and lobbyists. I'll get back to the lobbyist part in a minute.

00:05:32.460 So back to the oil and gas phase out. Get a load of this. Question. The phase out date will be one of

00:05:39.200 the key topics for discussion at the COP28 summit later this year. What is Canada's stance on this?

00:05:45.920 And Gilboa said,

00:05:46.940 Currently, our position is that it should be done no later than 2050. We're certainly open to a

00:05:52.580 conversation to see whether we can agree on an earlier date and what it means. It's important

00:05:57.560 to set ourselves some objectives and targets, but it's equally important that we understand our

00:06:02.300 capacity to reach those objectives, even if that is 20 or 25 years in the future. So the oil sands are

00:06:08.260 going to be phased out in case you don't understand what he's saying. No later than 20 or 25 years from

00:06:14.100 now, you heard him. One more thing. Canada emits 670 megatons of carbon dioxide a year,

00:06:21.680 according to the government, if you believe them. And of course, Canada is now bringing in a million

00:06:25.560 new migrants every year. So that's about two and a half percent, three percent growth

00:06:29.880 in our population per year. And all those people breathe out CO2. Some liberals say they want to

00:06:36.300 have 100 million people in Canada, by the way. It's nuts. But of course, everyone who comes needs to

00:06:41.120 cook with a stove, needs to have heat in their home in the winter, needs to move around in a car.

00:06:49.100 If you're adding three percent of the population every year, you're naturally going to have three 0.99

00:06:52.880 percent growth in carbon dioxide emissions just based on population. If you're worried about that

00:06:59.040 sort of thing, I'm not actually. I'm not worried about CO2. But look at this. This is Gilboa again.

00:07:03.000 In Canada's case, we need to reduce our annual emissions by about 300 megatons per year by 2030

00:07:10.180 compared to 2005 levels. So hang on. So we need to cut our emissions almost in half. We're at 670. He

00:07:16.640 says we got to cut 300 out of that. Cars, heating or home, transportation, factories, schools,

00:07:23.580 farmers, whatever. Cut it in half. Even though the population is growing by three percent a year

00:07:30.300 because of immigration. That's insane. That's impossible, of course. But that's their plan. 1.00

00:07:36.840 And they are going to try to do it. That's what they mean by net zero. It's madness. But don't think

00:07:44.300 for a moment that the elite ruling class won't still drive in limousines and fly on private jets to

00:07:50.340 COP28. That's how it is for the ruling club. You're not in that club. But here's another story

00:07:56.620 that's related in the news today. This is from Trudeau's CBC state broadcaster. Alberta filed

00:08:03.660 first ever criminal charges against a carbon offset firm. Here's why they may not be the last.

00:08:09.840 25 charges filed against company involved in auditing carbon offsets highlight regulatory challenges.

00:08:15.960 For the first time ever, a Canadian province has filed criminal charges against a business

00:08:19.800 for providing false information related to carbon offsets, a spokesperson for Alberta's

00:08:25.160 Environment Ministry said, underscoring the sometimes murky activities of companies in a

00:08:30.740 complicated, rapidly growing industry worth hundreds of millions of dollars annually.

00:08:36.520 Carbon offsets are bought and sold under a trading system with governments putting a price on carbon

00:08:41.760 dioxide emissions to compel companies to fight climate change. Since 2007, Alberta has run a mandatory

00:08:48.900 carbon offset system for large emitters, such as oil and gas companies, landfills and food processing

00:08:54.420 firms. If they produce more than their allotted levels of carbon dioxide, they must purchase credits

00:08:58.760 to offset these emissions. The credits are generated by companies that reduce emissions by doing things like

00:09:04.220 building wind farms or installing solar panels. To ensure accuracy is my favorite part.

00:09:11.940 The credits are verified by third party auditors. The Alberta litigation centers on the role of one of these

00:09:17.480 third party verifiers. But that's the thing. How do you know? How do you audit a carbon offset? How do you audit

00:09:25.340 carbon at all? It's a natural element in the periodic table. It's in the air. It's what a great many things

00:09:32.680 are made of. Have you ever heard the word hydrocarbon or carbs, carbohydrates, carburetors? You see the word in

00:09:40.440 there, carbon is one of the most common elements in the world. It's in most of our food. It's in most parts

00:09:47.400 of us as people. It's in the breath we exhale. It's what plants inhale. How do you even track it? Well, you can't.

00:09:56.960 You can guess. You can make estimates, which is why it's such a beautiful scam. I mentioned the other day that

00:10:04.100 Gilboa just sloshed around 450 million tax dollars for carbon offsets in third world countries. You give

00:10:10.760 450 million dollars to a third world country to build a hospital or an airport, you're going to have half

00:10:16.420 of it stolen in kickbacks and corruption and commissions, sure. But you're probably going to

00:10:20.780 still have an airport or a hospital at the end of it, probably. There's something you can measure,

00:10:26.380 something to audit, something to check on. How do you do that for a carbon offset?

00:10:31.300 How do you know if a factory reduced their emissions? You don't. It's all based on faith.

00:10:38.940 But these aren't angels. They're men. I don't know if you remember a few years ago, Volkswagen

00:10:42.680 was caught with a massive fraud for their carbon emissions. Trudeau just gave them tens of billions

00:10:48.100 of dollars. But these people in the climate industry, they're worse than most men. They're 0.93

00:10:52.840 politicians and lobbyists and scammers. And in the case of Gilboa, he's a convicted criminal. 0.96

00:10:57.320 $450 million for carbon offsets in the third world? And you thought pandemic spending corruption

00:11:05.240 was bad. Here's a court document relating to the charges against the offset auditor in Alberta.

00:11:12.920 I'll just read a paragraph at random. Count 12. On or between the 15th day of June 2021 and the 29th

00:11:19.980 of June 2021, both dates inclusive, at or near Calgary, this company did perform the functions

00:11:27.040 of a third-party assurance provider and did not have the qualifications referred to in or was not

00:11:31.980 eligible to be a third-party assurance provider under Section 27 of the Technology Innovation and

00:11:37.280 Emissions Reduction Regulation and did thereby commit an offense. So the person who was hired to

00:11:43.440 provide assurance that carbon dioxide was being upset wasn't an expert assurance provider. What's an

00:11:50.960 assurance provider? I know what an insurance provider is. So is the insurance. That's a real thing.

00:11:55.780 What's an assurance provider? Someone the government says can provide assurance. It's a fake job if you

00:12:02.160 haven't guessed. Don't take it from me, though. Take it from all these left-wing environmentalist

00:12:08.040 publications I'm about to read to you. Here's the New York Times. They know it. We wish buying carbon

00:12:14.120 offsets for your flight helped. It doesn't. No. Here's the Guardian, left-wing paper from the UK.

00:12:22.280 Reveals more than 90% of rainforest carbon offsets by biggest certifier are worthless, analysis shows.

00:12:30.540 Yeah, you think. Here's an investigation into Vera Carbon Standard finds most are phantom

00:12:37.980 credits and may worsen global heating. Here's Jeff Bezos' Washington Post, very global warming

00:12:46.340 obsessed. Airlines want you to buy carbon offsets. Experts say they're a scam. Spending a few dollars

00:12:52.520 to offset the footprint of your flight may sound too good to be true because it is, climate experts say.

00:12:57.760 Oh, yeah, it sounds really good. I'm really excited about spending more on flying. Here's Bloomberg,

00:13:02.420 which is owned by a global warming maniac. Here's what they have to say.

00:13:09.020 Faulty credits tarnish billion-dollar carbon offset seller. South Pole, the world's leading

00:13:15.780 purveyor of offsets, is facing allegations that it exaggerated. No, no, come on. That it exaggerated

00:13:22.380 climate claims around its forest protection projects. The uncertainty could influence how

00:13:27.520 legions of companies try to slash their emissions. Yeah, the 90% who are scammers and frauds are

00:13:34.460 really giving the other 10% a bad name, people. You know, even the biggest crooks of all, Greenpeace,

00:13:41.700 here's what they have to say. They know it's a scam and they are experts at scams, so I would trust

00:13:47.180 them. Other countries know it. Here's Reuters in Australia. Australia to review carbon offsets following

00:13:55.000 fraud allegations, as in they're not picking on any one assurance provider or any one company. They

00:14:01.320 know the whole industry is a fraud. It's a pixie dust thing. At least with cryptocurrencies, you know

00:14:08.080 if you have it or not. That's the one thing the blockchain is good for. You can track it. You know

00:14:13.940 if you have a Bitcoin or not. How do you know where a puff of carbon dioxide went? You don't. You can't.

00:14:21.000 It's a joke. It's for suckers. It's a scam. Which is why Justin Trudeau and Stephen Gilboa are 0.99

00:14:28.360 shoveling $450 million of it to the third world. I wonder what their kickback is. Oh, no, no, no.

00:14:35.240 They would never take a kickback. But really, why is the province of Alberta going through the motions

00:14:42.220 of pretending that the industry is a real thing? That carbon offsets are a real thing? And that this

00:14:50.460 one scammer that they're prosecuting is an outlier? They're all scammers. The whole industry is a scam. 0.58

00:14:56.780 And it's no less of a scam when Alberta does it to itself than when Stephen Gilboa does it.

00:15:02.060 Stay with us for more.

00:15:16.460 You know, I've been traveling a little bit around Canada with Sheila Gunn-Reed and Kia Simone.

00:15:21.340 Kian, of course, is our documentary filmmaker here at Rebel News. And

00:15:25.340 Sheila is the star of a film we have just released about the persecution of churches

00:15:33.820 across Canada during the pandemic lockdowns. And there's about five vignettes that tell the story,

00:15:39.900 Arthur Pavlovsky being one of them, the Church of God in Aylmer, Pastor Phil out in St. John, etc.

00:15:46.060 And the overwhelming and disproportionate police response is shocking and appalling,

00:15:51.740 and watching police enter churches with their hands on their firearms is disgusting and a disgrace.

00:15:58.060 But what I couldn't help but think was, if it hadn't been five churches across Canada, but rather,

00:16:05.820 had it been 50 or 500 or maybe even 5,000, there's no way the police could have stopped it.

00:16:16.060 Not only would they have had no moral authority, the people would obviously have been against them,

00:16:19.500 but there's just not enough police, just not enough courthouses, just not enough prosecutors

00:16:25.340 to go after everyone. But alas, there were just five churches, and so the police ganged up on them.

00:16:32.940 And I felt the same way about pretty much every other establishment. I just referred to the

00:16:38.300 religious establishments. You'd think the churches would answer to a higher power, but whether it was

00:16:43.340 the media or the media or the law courts or the College of Physicians and Surgeons, everyone was

00:16:49.420 complicit. I shouldn't say everyone, because there were a handful of elected officials who said no.

00:16:57.500 And that handful, there were at least four of them in Ontario. I refer in part to Randy Hillier,

00:17:07.820 the swashbuckling former conservative member of provincial parliament. Roman Baber is another

00:17:14.460 name that probably rings a bell, very principled lawyer who opposed the lockdowns. Belinda Karahelios

00:17:21.580 is another. There were a handful at the federal level, Derek Sloan, the former member of parliament for

00:17:29.420 the conservatives. Now these folks, I wish there had been 10 times as many. I wish they had cohered 0.78

00:17:37.660 together and started a sort of anti-lockdown political party, but alas, they were divided.

00:17:43.500 But I must give a shout out to Randy Hillier and Derek Sloan for putting their money where their

00:17:48.220 mouth is, and like Maxime Bernier, going to a public event outdoors to exercise their freedom of assembly

00:17:56.220 and freedom of speech. And both Randy Hillier and Derek Sloan were charged with this fake crime,

00:18:04.220 and they didn't buckle, and they didn't ask the queen for mercy and say, oh, please master, I'll plead guilty.

00:18:11.660 In fact, they fought. And two weeks ago, they won. The crown dropped the charges against both men in

00:18:19.740 return for a very modest gift to charity by Derek Sloan and Randy Hillier doing a few hours in a food bank.

00:18:27.660 I don't think that either man should have done anything, but I'm sure neither minded giving a gift

00:18:33.260 to charity. They're charitable people. I'm delighted to say that we have with us today the lawyer who

00:18:39.660 secured this stay of prosecution for both men. His name is Chris Fleury. He works with the Justice

00:18:45.180 Center for Constitutional Freedoms. He's based in Belleville, Ontario, and he joins us now online.

00:18:51.180 Chris, great to meet you, and congratulations. Tell me what it was like dealing with the police

00:18:58.780 and the crown prosecutors, because if I'm not mistaken, these charges go back two years. For

00:19:04.860 two years, they've been coming at you. You would think that there's no actual crime in this country,

00:19:11.120 no stabbings in the subway, no gun crime. For them to put prosecutorial resources behind getting

00:19:18.380 two politicians two years later. Thanks, Ezra. It's a pleasure to be with you.

00:19:25.420 If I could just, I want to sort of correct one point in your introduction. Sure. It's actually much

00:19:31.100 worse than you point out the crime or the provincial offense that these two individuals were charged with.

00:19:39.020 It's not that they dared to gather and to protest. It's that they dared to leave their house.

00:19:44.220 So if you remember back in April of, this is April through June of 2021, the Ontario government

00:19:51.900 invoked the second stay at home order, which said that a person may not leave their house unless they're,

00:20:00.220 or sorry, leave their residence unless they're leaving for one of 29 what the Ontario government

00:20:08.300 essentially deemed to be essential purposes. So four of which had to do with pets actually,

00:20:17.020 which seemed to, in my mind, get more preference than, than children in Ontario, but that's a,

00:20:25.020 that's another story. So they're charged with having the temerity to leave their, their residence. And

00:20:31.260 that's what the, uh, the essence of the Crown's case was. That's incredible. That is literally a

00:20:38.060 police state. If you cannot leave your house, it's clearly a violation of our charter of rights,

00:20:42.700 freedom of mobility, uh, freedom of association, freedom of assembly. There's no scientific basis

00:20:47.980 whatsoever. There's no pandemic exception in our charter of rights, by the way. How many other people

00:20:54.940 were charged with this fake offense? Because it looks awful lot to me like Randy Hillier and Derek

00:21:02.620 Sloan were targeted by the police and the prosecution. Obviously countless people left

00:21:07.660 their homes. I was living in Ontario during that period of time and I didn't obey that law for one

00:21:11.980 minute. Um, were there a lot of people charged under this bizarre and North Korea style law or did they 0.54

00:21:18.940 just go after political leaders like Derek Sloan and Randy Hillier? So I represented four individuals

00:21:25.420 who were charged in relation to that protest. Uh, the other two are Mr. Henry Hildebrandt and Mr.

00:21:30.860 Aaron Rock, um, both of whom are religious leaders who spoke at the protest. Um, generally speaking,

00:21:37.500 the police, uh, seem to target, uh, leaders and, uh, organizers and speakers at the protest,

00:21:45.180 as opposed to just the, um, individuals who peacefully, uh, gather. Hmm. I'm not surprised.

00:21:51.740 I think a real, the authoritarian bully, uh, I suppose there's a small devil and angel within each of us

00:22:00.060 and the authoritarian bully within police and prosecutors certainly had its time to shine then.

00:22:05.260 Um, tell me how many prosecutors and police by your estimate did you deal with over the last two years?

00:22:14.780 I imagine there was a police officer who issued the ticket and then there was perhaps another

00:22:19.660 police officer and then there was a prosecutor, maybe more than one. I'm just trying to get some

00:22:24.940 measure of the, uh, public resources that were put towards hounding Randy Hillier and Derek Sloan for

00:22:33.020 two years. There is an, I should clarify Ezra. I haven't been acting for, um, Mr. Sloan and Mr.

00:22:39.900 Hillier, uh, since 2021, I came on board with the justice center in January. Um, before that,

00:22:47.180 I was doing a lot of, uh, criminal defense work and suing insurance companies and, uh,

00:22:52.060 a more traditional legal practice. Uh, since I came on board, uh, I've, I'm representing individuals

00:22:58.460 all across the province, um, well-known individuals and politicians, religious leaders, and,

00:23:03.180 and, and lesser known individuals. Um, the, uh, the amount of resources spent is quite frankly,

00:23:11.660 is extraordinary. Um, in some cases, there are bylaw officers that are giving out these tickets.

00:23:17.340 Um, so individuals who would normally be giving out, um, traffic or, um, parking violations. Um,

00:23:25.420 but in some cases, cases and in Stratford in particular, there were, um, a number of officers

00:23:30.940 who showed up at this, uh, protest, um, and took very detailed notes and did a very detailed

00:23:36.380 investigation, uh, in support of the Crown's case. Hmm. Um, what in the end made the Crown cut a deal?

00:23:46.300 Uh, and I can imagine if there was a risk of some sort of a conviction and penalty, and if,

00:23:53.420 if the two men were told, look, just work in the food bank for a day, you do that anyways,

00:23:58.620 give a hundred bucks to charity, you do that anyways, and this whole thing's over.

00:24:01.900 I can imagine it made sense just to, for the men to do it. But, um, you know, you don't have two

00:24:08.540 years worth of police investigation, two years worth of prosecutorial chasing to end with a whimper like

00:24:14.140 that. Something must've changed. What or who made the Crown blink?

00:24:21.740 You know, it's, it's difficult to say, and I don't want to speak for the Crown attorney. Um,

00:24:26.460 what I can say is that one of the most frustrating aspects of defending, uh, again, these cases all over

00:24:34.540 the province, uh, is the, um, lack of uniformity of treatment that even Mr. Hillier, who is facing,

00:24:42.460 uh, charges, um, in relation to essentially the exact same conduct of attending a peaceful protest,

00:24:49.820 uh, in over a half a dozen now jurisdictions across the province. Um, many of those charges

00:24:56.220 were withdrawn in the early days. Um, many have been, or some, I should say have been, uh, what I

00:25:03.020 would call diverted, meaning that they entered into a, uh, an agreement to make a charitable donation or

00:25:09.820 to, um, to do community service. Uh, and then in other cases, the Crown is seeking, uh, very large fines.

00:25:17.900 And it's quite frankly, it's, it's difficult to make sense of in a, in a, a certain sense,

00:25:23.100 I have some sympathy for the prosecutors that they're not given any guidance on this. They know

00:25:28.380 that, uh, if an individual is charged and they're not an organizer, uh, there's no minimum fine and

00:25:34.300 it's a hundred thousand dollar maximum fine, but the prosecution has enormous discretion, uh, within

00:25:41.900 that, within that range. And to be clear, no one's talking about a hundred thousand dollar fine for

00:25:46.460 any of these individuals. Um, but there are, um, certainly fines, uh, into the $5,000 range that

00:25:53.980 prosecutors are talking about. Um, and other prosecutors are, uh, exercising their discretion

00:25:59.820 to withdraw the charges, stay the charges, divert the charges. And it is quite frankly, it's,

00:26:05.340 it's difficult to make heads or tails of, uh, why a particular decision is made.

00:26:09.820 Well, I think that chaos and the, and the punitive nature of it was the point actually,

00:26:14.940 uh, just to scare people so much. I think that a hundred thousand dollar fine was exactly that.

00:26:20.620 It was a psyop to, to, uh, to make people say, well, I better not go out. I could lose my whole

00:26:27.180 life savings. And I think the punitive nature, the abusiveness, uh, I recall in Toronto when, um,

00:26:33.900 uh, uh, one man opened a, um, barbecue. It was, um, Adamson's barbecue, Adam Skelly, if I recall his

00:26:43.260 name. And over 100 police were sent to shut down this barbecue, including riot horses. And that was

00:26:51.420 not a police operation. That was a theatrical operation, a shock and awe to deter others from

00:26:57.900 doing so there. I think police and prosecutors both allowed themselves to be used as political

00:27:02.620 weapons, which is one of the hallmarks of a police state where the police are there to scare. But we

00:27:07.980 saw that during the convoy when that, uh, when the bully police would announce, if you have a child

00:27:13.180 with you in your truck, we'll call child family services and seize them. If you have a pet with you,

00:27:18.940 the SPCA will seize your pet. Both of those were lies by the way, but it was part of getting people

00:27:24.300 terrified of the government. And I think it was super gross how police and prosecutors went along

00:27:29.740 with it. I got a question for you. If the events, uh, that led to the charges happened,

00:27:35.180 if I'm not mistaken, back in 2021, at what point in time do these cases age out? Because of course,

00:27:42.700 there's a charter right to a speedy trial and there's been different cases that say, well,

00:27:47.900 that means 18 months, that means 24 months, et cetera. What's the rule on that? Because you have

00:27:52.540 thousands of lockdown tickets and offenses and some people paid them willingly, they rushed to pay

00:27:59.180 them just to get the stress out of their lives. But for those who didn't, uh, when will they be in

00:28:04.620 the clear? So the, uh, the cases that you're talking about, say 18 months, uh, as read that, uh,

00:28:12.300 the Supreme Court of Canada has said that a case in the provincial court says 18 months, uh, to get

00:28:17.340 to trial. Um, and then after that, it is, uh, there's presumptive prejudice, uh, to the defendant

00:28:23.980 and the charge will likely be stayed at that point. Uh, that applies to the Ontario court of

00:28:29.020 appeal has said that that applies to, uh, not just, uh, criminal matters in the provincial court,

00:28:34.940 but also to provincial offenses act matters, uh, which is what we're talking about here. Uh, there is

00:28:41.020 a, um, a concerning line of cases that's coming out of the provincial offenses court or that has

00:28:47.180 come out of the provincial offenses court, uh, adjudicating these, uh, what are called Jordan

00:28:52.860 motions referencing the Supreme Court of Canada decision or 11b motions, uh, which essentially

00:28:59.660 say that the entire period that the provincial offenses act court was closed, uh, that is considered

00:29:05.820 a, um, an exceptional circumstance and is not counted towards the period of delay. Um, and the, uh,

00:29:14.140 viewers probably won't know this, but the, unless they perhaps had a traffic ticket throughout this

00:29:18.700 period, but the, uh, the provincial courts, uh, the criminal division was open, uh, beginning

00:29:26.140 in, uh, I believe it was June or July of 2020. They closed for the initial period of COVID and then

00:29:31.420 opened back up to in-person matters and were open to in-person matters throughout most of the pandemic

00:29:36.780 with some small exceptions. The provincial offenses act court, uh, remained closed, uh, even though it's

00:29:42.940 still a division of the provincial court. Uh, it remained closed to in-person matters, uh, up until

00:29:48.940 the spring of 2022. Huh? So, but I'm sure they all got paid. I mean, that's, that's, that's what the

00:29:55.580 pandemic was for the governing class. It was a staycation. I mean, no one was laid off. No one wasn't paid.

00:30:02.380 They were paid, weren't they?

00:30:06.380 The, uh, the, the prosecutors and the court staff, I'm sure were, were paid throughout that period.

00:30:10.620 So they, they love the pandemic. Pandemic's the best thing to ever happen to them.

00:30:15.740 All the pay, none of the work. And, and, uh, and then they prosecute, or I would say persecute

00:30:22.700 any political dissidents. Hey, uh, congratulations on this. And of course, we love the Justice

00:30:27.740 Center for Constitutional Freedoms, and this is a big win. I understand that, uh, not very long from now,

00:30:34.460 Randy Hillier is challenging the constitutionality of some of these laws. Uh, can you tell us a little

00:30:43.020 bit about that? So Randy's on defense, I'm calling him Randy, I know him, uh, Randy's on defense for

00:30:49.660 this charge and, and you managed to make it go away. But tell me about his constitutional challenge

00:30:54.940 where he seeks to, to have the entire lockdown deemed unconstitutional. Can you give me some details on that?

00:31:01.820 Yeah. So as I mentioned, Mr. Hillier's charged, uh, in jurisdictions across the province and rather

00:31:08.580 than bringing, uh, what at the time would have been 10 separate charter applications in the provincial

00:31:14.720 offenses court, uh, what we've, uh, proposed to do and the prosecution has agreed is that there will be

00:31:20.660 one, uh, superior court challenge in Toronto, which adjudicates the issues and specifically whether the,

00:31:28.560 um, the stay at home order that I was referencing from April to June of 2021, whether or not that was

00:31:35.360 a breach of, uh, Mr. Hillier's right to freedom of assembly and indeed all Ontarians right to freedom

00:31:41.780 of assembly and whether or not that, uh, if it was, whether or not it's saved by section one of the

00:31:47.300 charter as a reasonable limit. Yeah. Well, I think we better send a reporter to the court to watch that,

00:31:53.320 but I got some bad news for you. Not a single lockdown measure, whether it was the stay at home

00:32:00.320 order or the curfew in Quebec or the quarantine detentions at airports or the arrive can app,

00:32:10.200 or of course firing thousands of people for not getting jabbed. Not a single lockdown provision

00:32:18.340 has been found to be unconstitutional in Canada that I'm aware of. Maybe you're aware of a case

00:32:23.840 and our Supreme court of Canada is too busy. They'd be busy with other things you see. So they just

00:32:28.860 didn't bother getting around to anything constant regarding the pandemic. Maybe they will in a few

00:32:33.680 years. So I, um, I'm glad that Randy's fighting and I understand that you're part of this legal team

00:32:39.440 that's fighting, but I think I know how it ends. It ends with the governing class confirming that they

00:32:46.300 did everything right. And yes, they absolutely had the legal power to treat us like prisoners. So

00:32:52.020 call me a pessimist, but I've seen about 20 lawsuits fail. Uh, who knows? Uh, maybe you're,

00:32:59.440 you're lucky. Maybe you'll get a judge who's, uh, um, the scales have fallen from his eyes,

00:33:03.760 but I'm a pessimist. I think I'm a little more optimistic than you, uh, Ezra there. Um, I I'd

00:33:11.320 acknowledge that your, um, your summary of the, uh, Canadian judicial landscape as it relates to COVID

00:33:18.280 is, is accurate that, uh, the, the courts have not been our friends in terms of the fight for freedom

00:33:24.420 in Canada, um, particularly during COVID. Uh, there is one case, uh, out of BC, uh, where the superior

00:33:32.720 court in BC, uh, did rule that, uh, a similar provision was, uh, in breach of the BC citizens and

00:33:41.320 the particular, uh, applicant in that case, uh, his, uh, um, right to freedom of assembly. In that case,

00:33:48.160 the BC crown actually conceded that it was a, uh, a breach of freedom of assembly. But, uh,

00:33:54.300 other than, other than that, um, you're correct that, uh, the, the decisions just have not been

00:34:00.280 favorable. Um, the other thing to note though, is that, uh, this case is, is relatively unique in the

00:34:06.480 sense that, uh, we're talking about literally locking people in their houses, a form of house

00:34:11.680 arrest that, uh, uh, we just haven't seen a legal decision on, uh, something of this nature to date.

00:34:19.300 So we're quite optimistic. Well, I appreciate that. And that is such an extreme thing. Although,

00:34:24.300 they had a form of that in Quebec with their curfew. Uh, and by the way, for part of that,

00:34:29.840 they did not have the pet exemption. Imagine a health law that says you're not allowed to take

00:34:34.500 your dog outside to poop. It's got to poop in your house for health reasons. That was the madness of

00:34:40.140 the lockdowns. Well, Chris, congratulations on, uh, your achievement to get the two men out of those

00:34:45.800 charges. Good luck in the charter challenge coming up. Thanks for the tip about the BC case. I'll brief

00:34:51.480 myself on it to make sure I understand it. And congrats to the Justice Center for another job

00:34:56.640 well done. Thanks, Ezra. It's a pleasure to be with you. Right on. You too. Keep up the fight.

00:35:02.080 Well, there you have it. Chris Fleury, a lawyer who defended Derek Sloan and Randy Hillier. He's

00:35:07.760 with the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom. Stay with us. More ahead.

00:35:26.140 Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me. Mary 2023 says, most of us know

00:35:29.820 that the new Toronto mayor was placed, not elected. The election fraud and CCP foreign influence 0.83

00:35:35.620 continues in Canada's elections. I'm going to disagree with you. I absolutely believe that

00:35:41.620 communist China wanted her to win. There was also another candidate named Gong who was deeply

00:35:48.380 connected to the Chinese Communist Party, really bizarrely. Um, but I do not think she was placed

00:35:54.120 there. I think that Toronto is that woke. She's the widow of Jack Layton, the saint who led the NDP.

00:36:02.260 She's a socialist. She's a bicycle activist, anti-car extremist, uh, defund the cops. She just had name

00:36:10.480 recognition. There were over 100 candidates for mayor. She was the name people knew. So yeah, I,

00:36:16.120 communist China is happy she won. Um, but don't kid yourself. Toronto, the left-wing city,

00:36:22.740 the woke city. They love her. IB 9511 says, Ezra, but there seems to be no consequences to our

00:36:32.100 politicians' behavior. What will make Olivia Chow accountable? What would trigger Trudeau's removal? 0.99

00:36:37.860 Well, I mean, uh, Doug Ford just gave increased powers to the mayor of Toronto, which is terrifying.

00:36:43.600 There is a city council, but it's largely in the same vein as she is. Uh, Trudeau will be removed

00:36:49.040 when voters vote him out, or which is unlikely to happen if his party removes him as a leader.

00:36:55.840 There is no such thing as removing a prime minister in our system other than through the

00:37:00.240 parliamentary processes. And if you think that he's going to be charged with some crime and removed

00:37:04.800 that way, you are wrong. And you want to be wrong because if we could remove politicians,

00:37:09.780 you know, through some tricky legal process, don't think they wouldn't do that to any politicians on

00:37:15.600 the right. They would be the first to go. Ob Chaka says, interest rates being so low for so long

00:37:22.180 is part of the problem. Too many people got comfortable being over leveraged and now they're

00:37:26.080 in trouble. Well, that's true. And, uh, I suppose buyer beware, it's everyone's own risk that they had

00:37:33.260 to assess. But Justin Trudeau said, oh, rates are low and we'll be low forever. And then he's the one

00:37:38.980 who made them go high by stimulating inflation, by printing so much money and by jacking up taxes on

00:37:45.260 basic items like energy. So, yeah, I suppose if you got a variable rate mortgage, it's on you.

00:37:52.220 But it's Trudeau that made the inflation. That's our show for today. Until next week,

00:37:59.280 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters to you at home, good night

00:38:02.680 and keep fighting for freedom.

00:38:08.980 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - July 15, 2023

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