Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Alexa Lavoie reports from London while Free Speech Union challenges UK ban

00:00:00 Hello, my friends. What a big show today. I talked a little bit more about my ban from

00:00:04 the United Kingdom, and I'm glad to say I found allies today, too. Plus, our friend Alexa

00:00:09 Lavoie was on the ground in London, so she's got the reports for you. And then a hearty

00:00:14 conversation with our friend Lauren Gunter about Mark Carney's visit to Alberta and

00:00:18 what the pipeline MOU means and doesn't mean. And I got a funny clip for you from Monty

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00:01:28 Now, let's get into it. 0.95

00:01:29 tonight alexa lavoie lands in london where she's allowed to travel but i'm banned plus

00:01:49 mark carney goes to alberta with a bunch of nothing it's may 15th and this is the ezra

00:01:54 LeVant Show. Shame on you, you sensorism bug. Oh, hi, everybody. It is afternoon on Friday.

00:02:14 Normally, I would be getting ready to get on a plane tonight, flying to London, England,

00:02:19 But I haven't heard back from the Home Office.

00:02:22 As you saw yesterday, I have been banned from going into that country,

00:02:26 which I visited a couple dozen times over the last 10 years.

00:02:30 And the reason was so vague.

00:02:32 It was not in the public interest.

00:02:34 Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, did a rant today.

00:02:38 He said, far-right agitators and extremists are not allowed in.

00:02:42 Here he is just smearing anyone who's even just a gentle critic of himself.

00:02:46 Take a look.

00:02:47 Tomorrow's march in London is a reminder of what we're up against in the battle of our values.

00:02:53 The organisers, including convicted thugs and racists, are peddling hatred and division, plain and simple.

00:03:03 Their goal is to convince people that Britain's problems are caused by those living alongside them.

00:03:10 But that is not the Britain that I know.

00:03:12 This is a country built on decency, fairness and respect.

00:03:17 A country that is at its best when people from different backgrounds come together in common purpose.

00:03:24 This is our country, with a majority who share those values.

00:03:28 A majority who may not always be as loud, but must always define who we are.

00:03:33 So, my government will not stand in the way of peaceful protest.

00:03:38 But we will act decisively against hatred.

00:03:41 We will use the full force of the law when that hatred manifests as violence.

00:03:47 And we will ban those coming into the UK who seek to stir it up, as we have done already.

00:03:54 Because this country belongs to all of us.

00:03:58 And I will not tolerate anyone who seeks to stand in the way of that.

00:04:03 It's just crazy.

00:04:04 he's trying to create a kind of moment maybe a january 6th style moment with tomorrow's big

00:04:10 rally that tommy robinson is holding he had a crisis meeting with the police and immediately

00:04:15 thereafter the police changed their rules here's him meeting with police and showing everyone that

00:04:20 he was why are you meeting with police he's not the top of their chain of command police are

00:04:26 supposed to be neutral non-partisan here's tommy robinson letting us know what did happen when keir

00:04:32 Here Starmer was done meeting police.

00:04:34 Take a look.

00:04:35 We have worked tirelessly with the police

00:04:37 and the agreement that we finish at six o'clock.

00:04:39 So we have scheduled singers, speakers,

00:04:41 everything scheduled to the minute.

00:04:42 And then after Starmer's meeting this morning,

00:04:44 they've changed it all.

00:04:45 They've knocked 30 minutes off,

00:04:47 which devails all of the speakers,

00:04:49 the sequence, who's meant to speak,

00:04:51 when they're meant to speak, the finishing time.

00:04:53 That's what they've done.

00:04:54 That's what they've done to try and derail it.

00:04:56 So we're working a way to try and sort that now

00:04:58 of how we can do it other than cutting people out,

00:05:01 singers, songers of what we've agreed for months. We've got the recordings of the meetings with the

00:05:04 police. Agreed for months. They have a meeting with Keir Starmer this morning, Sadiq Khan,

00:05:08 they've gone back on everything. That's what he's tried to do is derail the day. But he won't be

00:05:13 successful. So we're not going to get angry about it. We're going to, when you face an obstacle,

00:05:16 you get around it, which is what we're going to do. Yeah, I think that Keir Starmer, who's just

00:05:21 crumbling in his public support, thinks he can whip up some crisis that he manufactures and have

00:05:27 some, I don't know, God forbid, violent outcome and then puts him back on the map or something.

00:05:34 I don't know. I think it's going to fail. But the problem is I'm not allowed to go there to

00:05:38 report on it because they're just lashing out at everyone. I'm pleased to say that the free speech

00:05:43 union in the UK has taken up my case. Here's a press release they put out. They think it's

00:05:49 unacceptable. And they point out in their press release that I happen to be a supporter of Israel

00:05:54 and they wonder, and I didn't say this to them at all.

00:05:57 I didn't even think of this.

00:05:59 They thought that that could be the reason

00:06:01 why I was kept out

00:06:03 because they have a very strong policy on pro-Hamas

00:06:06 in the labor government.

00:06:07 I don't know.

00:06:07 Anyways, I'm glad to have some legal support out there 0.51

00:06:10 and I'm delighted that Alexa Lavoie is there.

00:06:14 I wanna show you some of Alexa's work.

00:06:17 She's been there.

00:06:18 I encouraged her to go a couple of days early

00:06:20 and not to pop up with any videos

00:06:22 letting the world know she was there

00:06:24 until she was through customs and border police.

00:06:27 Anyway, she's been doing some great work here.

00:06:29 Take a look at this.

00:06:30 Here's some of Alexa's work in the UK today.

00:06:35 It's one of those things I do believe absolutely in free speech.

00:06:39 But like I say, there are consequences to free speech.

00:06:43 You should have the free speech, but you're not immune from consequences.

00:06:47 They're not entitled to have a visa.

00:06:48 This is nothing less than a battle for the soul of our nation.

00:06:54 Do you see a double standard to let the boat arriving but denying access to people who don't have any criminal charges or criminal...

00:07:03 Tommy Robinson's had a few criminal charges, actually.

00:07:05 No, but the speaker from other countries doesn't have it.

00:07:09 Maybe not, but if they're backing Tommy Robinson, then they're extreme right wing.

00:07:15 I'm in. I'm here in London, England.

00:07:19 And in just a few days, Tommy Robinson is set to hold his massive United Kingdom rally.

00:07:28 And apparently, that has Keir Starmer's government terrified.

00:07:33 In the lead-up to this event, the UK government has started cancelling visas

00:07:40 and blocking entry for commentators, activists, journalists and even politicians connected to Tommy Robinson's rally.

00:07:50 And you'll see it again on Saturday at a march designed to confront and intimidate this diverse city and this diverse country.

00:08:00 That is why this Labour government will block far-right agitators from travelling to Britain for that event.

00:08:05 Because we will not allow people to come to the UK to strengthen our communities and spread hate on our streets.

00:08:12 My colleague, Avi Yimini, wasn't even planning to come.

00:08:18 Yet, he still received an email from the UK government revoking a visa he had applied for more than a year ago.

00:08:28 claiming his presence in the UK was not conducive to the public good.

00:08:35 But what exactly is conducive to the public good under Kiev's armour?

00:08:42 Are boats filled with illegal migrants conducive to the public good?

00:08:48 Are radical Islamist preachers conducive to the safety of British communities?

00:08:55 or the grooming gangs he once tried to shield are?

00:09:01 This socialist government has become a world leader

00:09:05 in arresting people over nonviolent online speech

00:09:08 far ahead of countries like Russia and China.

00:09:13 Starmer knows he can't stop Tommy Robinson's supporters

00:09:18 through the court because the law is not on his side.

00:09:23 So instead, his government is using executive powers to deny people entry into this country.

00:09:31 This is not democracy. This is political censorship.

00:09:35 Keir Starmer refuses debate. He refuses criticism.

00:09:40 And he refuses to take responsibility for the failed policies that have left so many people in this country feeling abandoned.

00:09:50 Following these visa cancellations, Ben Habib, chairman of the advocacy group Great British, wrote to Stormer's government warning that Britain has historically distinguished itself from authoritarian systems precisely because it has defended the principle that controversial speech is answered.

00:10:20 by debate he also wrote that the british public is increasingly concerned that the term far right

00:10:29 is now being deployed indiscriminately against conservatives nationalists immigration critics

00:10:38 cultural traditionalists and political dissenters generally in his letter habib is demanding that

00:10:47 the government released the information used to justify these entry bans explained under which

00:10:54 legal authority they act and answered for what appears to be a politically motivated crackdown

00:11:03 but i made it in i was able to fly under the radar and i'm here because the truth needs to be shown

00:11:13 now more than ever.

00:11:16 These people are not far-right agitators.

00:11:20 They are working-class citizens

00:11:22 who are tired of being ignored, censored, and demonized

00:11:28 for speaking out against open borders,

00:11:31 mass immigration, and a socialist government

00:11:34 that has failed them.

00:11:37 I'm just here really basically asking people

00:11:40 people. What do you think about your government and Keir Starmer? Do you think they are great?

00:11:44 Do you think the... Omni shambles. That's the one word you need. Omni shambles. We had

00:11:49 omni shambles with the Tories. We've got omni shambles with Labour. Which is why reform has

00:11:53 done so well, because it's just a knee-jerk reaction to the others. I think he... I think

00:12:00 he's a coward, you know, and he really should prescribe the IRGC and do more to combat as 0.97

00:12:10 islamic extremism and anti-semitism you know it's he's like sadiq khan in a way he's totally 0.98

00:12:18 incompetent he doesn't really have any real passion well i've never thought much about him

00:12:24 i've never thought he was very good um but i'm not sure there's anyone to replace him at the moment

00:12:30 so I wouldn't necessarily want him to go.

00:12:36 I think he's a bit sort of plain, boring, nothing really too dramatic.

00:12:42 He's clearly lost the support of his backbenchers, or many of them,

00:12:46 and very clearly the country is unhappy with him.

00:12:49 That's how you read the elections.

00:12:50 I think he's not trying hard enough.

00:12:54 He owes too many people favours that now he's in a position of power,

00:12:57 he can't do what he wants to do.

00:12:59 He's the best of a bad bunch.

00:13:00 It's your government, Keir Starmer, denying access to some people who were attending Tommy

00:13:07 Robinson's rally to speak.

00:13:10 And I'm asking the people if they see any concern about free speech in this country.

00:13:14 Yes, I think so.

00:13:15 Definitely.

00:13:16 Yeah.

00:13:17 Some people get free speech and some don't, which is an effort.

00:13:20 I actually think you should be able to say just about anything, so I'm a free speech

00:13:25 fan.

00:13:26 fan i mean it should be you know it's the same as the whole idea that they've got in the in the in

00:13:31 the states about the free speech amendment everybody has the right or should have the

00:13:35 right to free speech you don't have the right to be exempt from the consequences of free speech but

00:13:40 free speech should be an absolute right otherwise we're no better than north korea or russia i think

00:13:46 it's very hypocritical because there's people coming over on the boats illegally he's not doing

00:13:53 much to stop that. He's no deporting people who are extremists and Islamic fundamentalists 0.97

00:14:01 that really should be deported. And it's just part of Keir Starmer's clampdown on free speech

00:14:07 and free speech in the United Kingdom is one of our tenants of democracy and it should

00:14:13 be respected. So you mean denying fascists the right to speak? Well, I think that's a

00:14:19 good thing. Do you think it's a good thing? Yeah. Why do you want fascists on the street?

00:14:25 I think it's a pretty common tendency here, to be honest. It's not really anything that's

00:14:29 particularly new. I mean, it's a left-wing government, somewhat left-wing government,

00:14:34 and people here aren't really fond of Tommy Robinson. I can see why people would say it's

00:14:40 a free speech issue there, but I'm simply just not surprised. I think the vast majority of people

00:14:45 in this country are tolerant and they do not follow the policies that perhaps more right-wing

00:14:50 and less tolerant people do that might answer the question that's basically i thought we live in a

00:14:56 democracy where you can come and do and protest obviously not because they're picking and choosing

00:15:00 it's like saying we don't want him to come because it's going to be this the canya west situation

00:15:04 with the wireless i know there's reasons behind it but you're just picking and choosing who you

00:15:08 you want that's not democracy. Did you sign the erosion of free speech in this country? Yes.

00:15:14 How? Universities not allowing the debate of things and I think universities should be able

00:15:22 to debate anything within a safe kind of environment things yeah things not being

00:15:27 allowed to be said not being allowed to be explored and that happened in the early noughties

00:15:33 and has continued on that's my view as a very old person yeah i think the the problem is we're

00:15:41 getting less and less um critical thinking because people are shut down if they don't agree with

00:15:48 that person's particular political persuasion you need to find out about what's going on with

00:15:55 people who don't think the way that you do and understand what their reasons are because

00:16:00 you can't improve things for everybody unless everybody has a voice

00:16:04 and they're trying to be very selective about who has a voice which is

00:16:07 one of the reasons we're in the mess we're in i think across the western world

00:16:14 for the abbey i promise you i'm trying to get you my id

00:16:18 i work for the press office for the press office do you believe in free speech

00:16:23 yes i'm not going to get into a competition about that do you believe in free speech

00:16:27 Um, there are rules for filming on our property, so you need to get in touch with us to do that.

00:16:31 You see that hair from there filming?

00:16:33 That I just showed you there.

00:16:34 You're waiting for her. 1.00

00:16:35 That woman there, I've got a phone in there.

00:16:36 I don't see the woman there.

00:16:38 Okay, the woman there having a phone, taking a picture of her filming.

00:16:40 But I can see here that you are an actual news variant.

00:16:44 Oh, so you have a problem with the actual news, not with...

00:16:46 So anyone random can film.

00:16:47 No, no, but you're an endorsed...

00:16:50 I'm glad you said that. We're endorsed.

00:16:52 Please. Thank you for the endorsement.

00:16:53 Are you the gatekeeper of the media?

00:16:55 I will have to go get security.

00:16:56 Go get security, go get security.

00:16:58 Thank you very much, right, let's go.

00:17:00 Okay, what was that?

00:17:01 That was someone who doesn't like us talking

00:17:03 and they don't like us talking

00:17:04 because they don't want us to have an opinion 0.99

00:17:06 and it's tough shit 0.98

00:17:07 because we've got a very strong opinion. 0.99

00:17:09 Welcome to the UK, the land of no freedom.

00:17:12 And the land of censorship as well.

00:17:16 I can't wait for the security to come, can you?

00:17:17 Are you waiting for the security to come?

00:17:18 I can't wait, go on.

00:17:20 What would you say to the security?

00:17:22 I'll point out all the other people filming

00:17:23 and ask them what the problem is.

00:17:24 Right, here it comes.

00:17:26 And we are in the sidewalk.

00:17:28 What's the name?

00:17:29 Can't film it.

00:17:29 Who can't?

00:17:30 It's private property.

00:17:31 How come they're all filming?

00:17:32 It's private property.

00:17:33 I'll ask the question, how come they're all filming?

00:17:35 It's a private property, sir.

00:17:36 OK.

00:17:37 How come they're all filming?

00:17:38 You can, with the phone here, you can't film it.

00:17:41 So if I change this to a phone, I'll go.

00:17:42 Excuse me, sir.

00:17:43 I'm telling you again, you can't film in here.

00:17:45 How come they're all filming?

00:17:46 I'm telling you.

00:17:48 I'm just me, not the rest of the people.

00:17:49 They can film.

00:17:49 I'm telling you, you can't film in here.

00:17:51 You can film with that.

00:17:52 I can film with this?

00:17:53 Yeah.

00:17:53 OK.

00:17:54 I'm not professional in the camera, please.

00:17:56 Are you kidding?

00:17:58 Excuse me, hello.

00:18:00 Like, what are you doing?

00:18:02 Excuse me, hello.

00:18:04 Excuse me, don't touch that.

00:18:06 Don't touch my camera.

00:18:08 Did you really put your hand in my lens?

00:18:14 Did you put your hand in my lens?

00:18:18 Arrested for what? Filming?

00:18:20 Arrested for filming.

00:18:22 That's Britain, 2026. Go get the police, mate. Go get the police, go get the police.

00:18:26 Can you... Can you... Can you...

00:18:27 Officer, go get the police, mate. Let's carry on our interview. Let's just finish our interview, go.

00:18:31 Come on, what were you saying?

00:18:32 Peter.

00:18:33 He's gonna get arrested for filming the pandemic.

00:18:34 Yeah, let's go.

00:18:35 Why are you shaking? Why are you jumping?

00:18:37 Go, go on, wait.

00:18:39 Why are you jumping?

00:18:40 Go on, wait. Why are you jumping?

00:18:41 Go on, wait.

00:18:42 Why are you jumping?

00:18:43 It's... It's a sidewalk.

00:18:44 You can't film.

00:18:45 It's a sidewalk.

00:18:46 You can't film.

00:18:46 Go speak to them.

00:18:47 He's growing at nothing.

00:18:48 Go speak to them.

00:18:49 Sorry, what's going on?

00:18:50 Hello. Hello, mate. How are you? How are you doing? You all right?

00:18:54 So basically, go away.

00:18:55 So basically, everyone's filming. This gentleman, that gentleman, that gentleman.

00:19:00 She's filming. Everyone's filming.

00:19:02 But for some reason, aggressively, this girl puts her hand on her camera.

00:19:06 This gentleman, I don't know who he is, thinks he's in charge of the police or something.

00:19:11 This gentleman's come over. You can't film. You can't film.

00:19:13 So tell everyone else they can't film. We'll do the same as everyone else.

00:19:16 If no one can film, no one can film.

00:19:18 Professional film.

00:19:19 Professional? What makes it professional?

00:19:21 So, if you're still taking a professional job, if you're not taking a job...

00:19:26 Who decides what's professional?

00:19:29 The Press Department.

00:19:30 Okay, get the Press Department.

00:19:31 This is owned by the Abbey and the Press Department.

00:19:34 Okay.

00:19:35 So, if we've just come here to this building for an interview,

00:19:40 we're not allowed to finish our interview walking out of steps?

00:19:42 Is that what you're saying?

00:19:43 But everyone else is?

00:19:44 No, no. You shouldn't have started your interview without talking to the Press Department.

00:19:48 What do you write?

00:19:49 If you're in the Abbey land.

00:19:50 Okay, but everyone else is filming.

00:19:52 No, no, they're...

00:19:53 Right, they're taking shots of the Abbey.

00:19:55 Taking a photo of the Abbey.

00:19:56 So I'm standing with the Abbey in the background.

00:19:57 But if you're filming taking footage for, like...

00:20:03 You're not arguing.

00:20:04 You're not arguing.

00:20:05 Yeah, he is filming.

00:20:06 Of course he's filming.

00:20:08 Of course he's filming.

00:20:10 Sorry, mate.

00:20:10 If you're taking footage for, like, media stuff,

00:20:14 then you need to basically take to the Abbey's film.

00:20:16 Okay, but we're not doing it for media.

00:20:18 we're citizen journalists yeah we don't like the media right we're doing it but the thing is journalists

00:20:22 also have to do that bbc itn okay sorry no it's all right mate it's all right okay okay so where's

00:20:28 your property uh this this old ground so up until up until the lines all the way down

00:20:35 so you see that footpath there that footpath you can do anything you like thank you thank you mate 0.99

00:20:39 nice one come on go yeah oi you're not hard no you won't no you won't you silly man 0.98

00:20:45 What do you think of turning up? 0.98

00:20:47 Millions.

00:20:48 I hope so.

00:20:49 Good luck to you, my friend.

00:20:50 Thank you, man.

00:20:51 Thank you very much.

00:20:52 You're doing a great job.

00:20:53 Thank you.

00:20:54 Thank you very much.

00:20:59 That is good to have our footage.

00:21:01 Do you think?

00:21:02 Yeah, yes.

00:21:03 Sounds right.

00:21:04 Thank you.

00:21:05 Thank you.

00:21:06 Thank you very much.

00:21:08 Thank you very much.

00:21:10 If I said to my son-in-law,

00:21:12 I said to me,

00:21:13 I've seen them go down and see them in front of me.

00:21:15 Honestly.

00:21:16 Found us. Here we are.

00:21:18 That one there, really?

00:21:19 I've been a lot of you, yeah.

00:21:20 Really? You're better than I am.

00:21:21 I'll do it.

00:21:22 Are you jumping in?

00:21:23 No, come on, man.

00:21:25 I'll do it that way.

00:21:26 There you go.

00:21:27 Well done.

00:21:28 Thank you very much.

00:21:29 See you Saturday.

00:21:30 See you.

00:21:31 See you Saturday.

00:21:32 Alright.

00:21:33 Alright, mate. How are you?

00:21:35 Alright, listen.

00:21:36 I might have seemed a bit hostile to those people,

00:21:38 but you know people telling me where I can and can't film.

00:21:40 It's like, look, he's filming. Everyone's filming.

00:21:42 and now we're filming

00:21:44 one meter away

00:21:45 literally

00:21:46 what the point is that

00:21:48 welcome to England

00:21:49 yeah

00:21:50 so

00:21:51 I'm with Tommy Robinson

00:21:52 and we are two days

00:21:54 before the big rally

00:21:56 and I want to have your

00:21:58 thoughts

00:21:59 on what the UK government

00:22:01 have done

00:22:02 cancelling visas

00:22:03 of speakers

00:22:05 who were attending your rally

00:22:06 they've exposed themselves

00:22:07 they've not cancelled extremists

00:22:09 they're cancelling journalists

00:22:10 yeah

00:22:11 so they've exposed themselves they don't like people who have a different opinion from their

00:22:15 worldview or their mass open border dangerous immigration they've exposed what we have to live

00:22:21 with in britain you see they don't want journalists talking members european parliament multiple

00:22:25 members european parliament high ranking have now been refused entry into this country whilst

00:22:29 they're stopping journalists and they're stopping media or they're stopping politicians our borders 0.59

00:22:34 are open to rapists criminals jihadists our country and our government welcomed back a terrorist 1.00

00:22:39 who said all white people need to be killed. 1.00

00:22:42 They welcomed him back. 1.00

00:22:44 They brought him in. 1.00

00:22:44 He's not British.

00:22:45 He's from Egyptian or whatever.

00:22:47 But yet they're stopping journalists.

00:22:48 So they've just exposed themselves.

00:22:49 I know the letter that Dominic, the Polish gentleman,

00:22:52 our good friend, shared is on 7 million views.

00:22:56 The world can see what Britain thinks about free speech.

00:22:59 And this Saturday, the country's coming out.

00:23:03 Not in support of Keir Starmer.

00:23:04 Against him.

00:23:06 Go on, my ears.

00:23:07 What do you think about it?

00:23:08 What do you think?

00:23:09 I think you have a socialist government.

00:23:16 So they announced that they will deploy massive police enforcement.

00:23:23 They say that they are ready to arrest people for hate speech.

00:23:27 Same for the people who are seeing intifada.

00:23:30 Do you believe that they will really crack down on the other one?

00:23:34 We've had laws that could have been implemented

00:23:36 against all the extremist Hamas supporters for the last two years.

00:23:39 They've allowed them to call for jihad, made excuses for them. 0.54

00:23:41 They've allowed to call them for the murder of Christians and Jews.

00:23:43 They've allowed them to incite hate from one end of this country to the other, and they've done nothing. 0.82

00:23:47 In fact, real hate is being incited in mosques up and down this country. 0.90

00:23:50 No arrests, no dawn raids, no closing down the mosques. 0.93

00:23:52 By what they mean is they want to intimidate the British public into silence. 0.98

00:23:55 But that doesn't work anymore.

00:23:57 There's no hate speech.

00:23:58 There's just facts.

00:23:58 We speak facts and we speak truth.

00:24:00 And that's what we'll continue to do.

00:24:01 And we'll do it on Saturday with the biggest audience this country's ever seen.

00:24:04 Do you think he made a mistake by cancelling visas?

00:24:10 And you'll see it again on Saturday, at a march designed to confront and intimidate

00:24:16 this diverse city and this diverse country.

00:24:20 That is why this Labour government will block far-right agitators from travelling to Britain

00:24:24 for that event.

00:24:25 Because we will not allow people to come to the UK to threaten our communities and spread

00:24:31 hate on our streets.

00:24:32 He made a big mistake because he's exposed himself to the world.

00:24:35 And you see, Keir Starmer, you muppet, right?

00:24:38 There's such a thing now called the internet and actually Starlink, thanks to Elon Musk.

00:24:42 So the people you've banned, they'll be here with us.

00:24:46 Well, Alexa is going to be there on the ground tomorrow.

00:24:48 I'm sort of jealous.

00:24:49 I love covering these rallies, but I'll be there in spirit.

00:24:52 And hopefully we'll give Keir Starmer a metaphorical black eye.

00:24:56 I don't want anyone to think I'm calling for violence, which he is clearly hoping for.

00:25:00 By the way, in Alberta, a lot closer to home, Mark Carney and Danielle Smith had a meeting.

00:25:06 Next up, my interview with Lauren Gunter about how that went and are the feds playing with Alberta.

00:25:13 Take a look.

00:25:17 And today's agreement is also about creating a better world for our kids and our grandkids.

00:25:24 through major investments that will help put Canada on the path to net zero,

00:25:31 through a methane equivalency agreement that will lower methane emissions from oil and gas

00:25:35 by 75 percent below 2014 levels by 2035, and through carbon markets that work.

00:25:45 When we signed the MOU in November, an oversupply of credits had driven prices as low as $20 a ton,

00:25:50 $75 below the headline price. And today, as you've just heard, Canada and Alberta have agreed to

00:25:57 create markets that deliver an effective carbon price of $130 per ton by 2040 with binding annual

00:26:06 benchmarks along the way. We will also issue 75 million tons of carbon contracts for difference

00:26:13 to support major carbon capture, clean energy, other emission reduction projects with the cost

00:26:20 shared equally between us in other words we will have skin in the game so that that market actually

00:26:27 works you might be forgiven if watching that clip you don't understand that this was supposed to be

00:26:33 announcement this was touted as somehow a pro alberta pro oil patch announcement but as you

00:26:39 can see it was the exact opposite the prime minister triumphant announcing that no all of his

00:26:45 ideology ideologies his 20-year history of being an environmental extremist he meant it and even

00:26:53 though he has eliminated the retail carbon tax he is going to increase taxes on methane carbon

00:26:59 carbon markets decarbonized pipelines all of these things that no other oil producer in the world

00:27:08 does, that no oil buyer asks for. By the way, there's no such thing as decarbonized oil. That's

00:27:15 like saying dehydrated water. This was presented to Albertans today, and I'm baffled by the fact

00:27:24 that Danielle Smith, who I rather admire, regards this as some sort of a triumph. Joining me now to

00:27:29 talk about this is my friend who is writing for the Edmonton Journal, quite illuminating. I look

00:27:36 forward to hearing his thoughts on this lauren gunter joins us now from edmonton lauren you've

00:27:41 been covering the oil patch for 30 40 years i'd have to count um this does not feel like a win to

00:27:47 me no and if you look at the details it's more of a deal to make a deal if if alberta reaches several

00:27:57 important federal benchmarks then ottawa will consider fast tracking the approval of the

00:28:04 pipeline. Well, that's what we had before today's announcement. This really isn't all that big a

00:28:08 deal. And it's funny that Carney has said the carbon market in Alberta is broken because at

00:28:17 some point, carbon was only trading at $20 a ton. That's what a market's all about. If you don't

00:28:24 have enough people buying whatever you're selling, the price comes down. So now we have to create an

00:28:30 artificial market that will go up to $130 a ton by 2040. Considerably better than the $170 a ton

00:28:40 that Trudeau wanted to impose by 2035. But still, it's got to be a fake market because the actual

00:28:49 market was at $20 a ton. That's what people were prepared to pay. And so we're already looking at

00:28:58 lot of federal nonsense it's not a hocus pocus without government subsidies no one in the world

00:29:05 would quote buy carbon credits it's it's not a real thing i understand people buying soybeans

00:29:11 or buying canola or buying wood or buying eggs you buy things that you use that are tangible

00:29:17 a carbon credit isn't a thing it's it's enron style accounting and and all of the language

00:29:25 he used there that's the bad mark carney from before when he was with the glasgow financial

00:29:31 uh alliance for net zero like he pretended that he put that aside for about five minutes during

00:29:38 the election it's back um danielle smith seemed happy by this because the pain he's imposing is

00:29:45 less than the pain he was going to impose i'm sorry i don't consider that a win no i don't

00:29:50 consider a big win either and i look at carbon credits like the medieval practice of indulgences

00:29:57 if you knew you were going to go out and commit a sin you could donate a certain amount of money

00:30:03 to a priest or a bishop and that person would then in advance of your sin absolve you of your sin

00:30:10 and i think carbon credits are very much the same thing unless you have a government that's creating

00:30:16 an artificial market for them there is no market for them um i want to talk about real life for

00:30:23 one second uh they're talking about pipelines but i saw the other day the synovus boss say look

00:30:28 that's not happening we have so many crazy costs imposed on us that are not real world costs

00:30:34 and if you're going to put all these carbon costs on us that's just going straight to the

00:30:38 straight to our costs no it's not improving our product we're not going to change what we do

00:30:44 We're not changing how we produce.

00:30:46 Let me play a clip of the Cenobus boss saying this.

00:30:48 I think this clip is from the Globe and Mail.

00:30:50 It was the first real talk I've ever heard about the fact that you can pay all these indulgences,

00:30:56 but it literally does not change what these companies do.

00:31:00 Here, take a look.

00:31:00 We're the only country among the 10 largest producers globally that has a carbon tax.

00:31:07 And the carbon tax for our industry is nothing more than a cost.

00:31:11 It doesn't incent us to decarbonize.

00:31:14 It is solely a cost of doing business.

00:31:18 So when you think about what we intended to do with the carbon tax is it really works when it's globally applied and that can be passed on to the consumer.

00:31:27 The consumer sees the higher cost of the product that they're consuming and they consume less of it and you get the price signal going back to the producer who produces less.

00:31:36 what we've done is we've put a carbon tax on in Canada

00:31:41 that is solely born in Canada

00:31:43 and we compete in the global market

00:31:45 so the products that we sell get a global price

00:31:49 so we're not able to pass that along to the consumers

00:31:52 there's a breakage of the linkage

00:31:54 in terms of what the policy was intended to do

00:31:58 and what it actually does

00:31:59 so it's simply a cost of doing business

00:32:01 that has to be incorporated into any investment decision

00:32:05 But we have that, plus we have the tanker ban, plus we have clean electricity regulations, plus we have methane regulations.

00:32:13 And all of this is just combined to make an incredibly complicated policy framework that makes investments in Canada difficult and non-competitive with other countries like the U.S. and countries in Asia.

00:32:27 That's the first grown-up I've heard talking about these things almost ever.

00:32:31 I mean, if you're selling Canadian oil abroad, no one cares about how you, about any of that.

00:32:40 Countries that are buying oil from, let's say, Iran, they don't care about carbon. 0.91

00:32:44 They just are so desperate for oil they'll buy from the world's terrorists. 0.98

00:32:48 I think that's the first real talk.

00:32:50 But instead of this sort of baffle gab, fake language about credits and markets, that's not real.

00:32:57 What that guy just said there is the realest real I've ever heard.

00:33:00 Yeah, I know. And he is, or his company, Synovus, is part of the Pathways Alliance, which is supposed to be building this carbon capture network that could cost up to $20 billion so that they can capture carbon from the exploration and extraction of oil and oil sands.

00:33:21 and uh thereby we can go to the world and say see our our oil is so clean you'll you'll want

00:33:28 to buy from us at a premium because then you'll feel morally better about the purchase and as you

00:33:33 said nobody cares about that that even even the western countries that might buy oil from us

00:33:41 japan for instance they don't care about that they care about what the price is and the price

00:33:46 is too high if you start adding all that stuff to it at one point i must be about a year ago now

00:33:52 carney said well we'll have a much better chance to break into markets if we have clean oil because

00:33:59 people like the europeans will want to buy from us enough no they won't they want to buy from

00:34:06 whoever's selling the cheapest oil yeah right now they're buying from vladimir putin they're buying

00:34:11 conflict oil and conflict gas so if you're willing to buy from the guy that they say they all hate

00:34:17 him and i believe that but they have literally spent more money on energy from russia than they

00:34:22 have given to uh ukraine in foreign aid they have funded russia more than than they have funded

00:34:28 ukraine because they buy conflict energy yeah no no no doubt about it and that's not going to change

00:34:37 You know, we are hoping that if we put a new pipeline, a million barrels a day out to the West Coast, that we're going to find all sorts of new Asian clients, Indonesia, China, Japan, lots of other countries over that way, Vietnam, will be potential customers of ours.

00:34:58 They're not going to pay an extra 20% to Canada just so that we can feel as though, you know, we've made Greta Thunberg more comfortable.

00:35:06 it's ridiculous it really is you mentioned the 20 billion dollars just for this fake industry of

00:35:14 capturing carbon by the way i'm emitting carbon talking to you right now i apologize and earlier

00:35:19 today i emitted a little methane don't tell anybody but uh my point is that these are naturally

00:35:24 occurring elements it's rather insane to try and regulate them by the way in the netherlands

00:35:28 here builders tells me they were trying to regulate nitrogen let's just go through the whole

00:35:32 periodic table of the elements is wacky but you mentioned 20 billion dollars um just super quick

00:35:38 math if there's a roughly five million albertans rough so that works out to four thousand dollars

00:35:45 per person let's say the average family is i don't know three people four people in the average

00:35:50 family so that's 15 grand let's say per family so because of ottawa's bizarre fetish and their 0.67

00:35:59 hatred of the west fifteen thousand dollars that could go per family to whatever is going for some

00:36:06 scheme that you know liberal lobbyists are up to their eyeballs in anyways that's super gross to

00:36:11 me i once wrote that you know a thousand years from now some uh anthropologist is going to stand

00:36:17 up at a conference and try to explain carbon capture to his or her colleagues and they're 0.92

00:36:23 all going to start to howl and say uh ed you're nuts you're trying to tell us that they took air

00:36:28 and stuck it in the ground for some reason or try to make cows not fart exactly by the way that's 0.95

00:36:34 basically all we're talking about and um and i don't care how big the super el nino is going to

00:36:42 be this summer uh i saw a story about a week ago that there was another super el nino in 1877 but

00:36:51 you can bet they'll blame this one yeah on on global warming and climate change but how do you

00:36:56 explain the one in 1877 i mean this just happens every once in a while in weather most of our

00:37:02 weather just happens every once in a while and you can capture all the carbon you want and shove

00:37:08 it into caves below coal lake alberta you're not going to accomplish a thing yeah it's almost as

00:37:13 if um mark carney is doing something that might benefit his dear friends in communist china who

00:37:19 are building you know two or three new coal fire plant plants every week hey um here's the point

00:37:25 about this mou and that just a reminder that stands for memorandum of understanding and

00:37:29 lauren i think you're right to say it's almost like a agreement to have an agreement it's not

00:37:33 an agreement it's not a contract it's sort of vague principles that together maybe something

00:37:38 will happen what's missing is i mean we showed john mckenzie the boss of synovus who's talking

00:37:44 real talk what's missing is an oil man willing to say all right i'll ship a half a million barrels

00:37:51 a day in the pipeline and i can commit to spend x amount of money to get this thing built that's

00:37:57 often how pipelines are done they go out and sort of canvas different producers and say we're going

00:38:01 to build a pipeline how much of it do you want we're going to put you down for this percent that

00:38:06 percent and together we'll make this thing work because the pipelines are often for a variety of

00:38:11 customers that's how it works no one has come forward and it made me think of that old monty

00:38:15 Python sketch. Let me play just one minute for you, Lauren, because there's someone missing

00:38:22 in this conversation about pipelines, and maybe Monty Python can help us remember. Take a look

00:38:28 at this. You'll get a little chuckle. It's a bit of a bear in it there, isn't it? Yes.

00:38:35 Yes. More apparatus, please, nurse. The EEG, the BP monitor, and the AVV. And get the machine that

00:38:43 and get the most expensive machines in case the administrator comes.

00:39:01 Golly good. That's better. That's much, much better.

00:39:04 Yeah. More like it.

00:39:06 Er, still something missing, though.

00:39:10 Hmm? Hmm.

00:39:13 oh that's right just missing one thing who the patient so who are we missing with all this talk

00:39:22 about oil well a single proponent who would say yeah i i really think this is worth putting five

00:39:31 ten billion dollars into as opposed to going to venezuela i personally know an oil man for a

00:39:37 multi-billion dollar company in calgary who is in venezuela doing deals because it is a lower risk

00:39:43 adjusted rate of return in venezuela than alberta oh we've got all the machines that go beep but we

00:39:50 don't have a customer lauren exactly and you know you might find six or ten oil companies that are

00:39:58 prepared to jump in if this is guaranteed but there's a section in this new agreement that

00:40:04 was signed today i think it's 4.1.4 that says basically if the federal government is

00:40:11 pleased with all the consultation the Alberta government does with First Nations. And if

00:40:18 private backers can be found, then we'll think about accelerating the approval rate,

00:40:24 the approval process to September 1, 2027. Well, that's an awful lot of ifs. Yeah. Because they've

00:40:30 already, the Assembly of First Nations, the West Coast First Nations, a lot of other organizations

00:40:36 between Alberta and the BC coast first nations have said no we're not going to sign off on this

00:40:43 doesn't matter you know I think you can I think you can deal with the Alberta first nations who

00:40:48 have shown themselves to have some entrepreneurial smarts and and for a share of the pie they will

00:40:54 they will give their approval but in BC they play games all the time you might remember with

00:41:01 the coastal gas link pipeline that was taking uh gas from the northeastern uh bc fields out to the

00:41:09 coast that there was one group of three reserves that had elected chiefs elected councils and

00:41:18 inherit and hereditary right i remember and the elected chiefs and councils all favored the pipeline

00:41:26 but the feds went out and found the hereditary chiefs most of whom weren't like ancient old

00:41:33 first nations people uh most of them were sort of ceremonial in their in their positions and those

00:41:40 unelected hereditary chiefs said no and so the feds said well we can't we can't we can't

00:41:48 go against them uh the first nations have said no what's it going to take for alberta

00:41:55 to get through that kind of mess, especially now in BC with DRIPA, the Declaration of Rights of

00:42:03 Indigenous Peoples Act, which is basically what has been used to take away private property in

00:42:10 Richmond, BC. It's been used to kill mega projects in the rest of the project. BC is a real mess

00:42:19 right now i can see why nutrient the the big fertilizer maker in saskatchewan decided to put

00:42:26 their port yeah in washington state because they get away from all of that hooey with eb the premier

00:42:35 and all the first nations in bc well i mean we just saw a couple days ago um a trudeau appointed

00:42:41 judge in alberta say oh sorry 300 000 people petition to ask for a referendum question i have

00:42:49 discovered a new indigenous right to be consulted before petitions can be just making it up yeah

00:42:57 and slaughtering the democratic will not just of the 300 000 who signed that petition but 400 000

00:43:04 signed a counter petition oh but but a judge said no no no we're gonna in the name of indigenous

00:43:09 and if you oppose this court ruling of course you're racist um yeah i wouldn't trust that i

00:43:15 By the way, I asked, I had an interview a couple months ago with the ambassador from the United States, Pete Hoekstra, and I asked him, would you be open to a pipeline going through America?

00:43:26 And he said, of course. Here's a clip of that.

00:43:29 Number one is the, you know, very positive statement about Alberta, but I think it's how Americans generally feel about Canada.

00:43:39 OK, you could get us saying lots of positive things about lots of of the provinces in the how we've developed our ecosystems together.

00:43:50 I know that Besant, Secretary of Rights, Secretary Burgum, President Trump, you know, it's kind of like, yeah, pump a bunch, put a pipeline down to the border.

00:44:04 Our responsibility then to put pipelines on our side of the border that will take whatever oil Canada decides that they want to ship to the United States.

00:44:15 And the, you know, again, there's lots of uses that we would have for it.

00:44:20 in terms of processing it and those kinds of things.

00:44:22 We want more oil.

00:44:27 If Alberta wanted us to build a pipeline to the West Coast

00:44:34 because they said, hey, we want, you know,

00:44:36 we've got another 2 million barrels of oil per day

00:44:39 that we want to ship to Asia and Japan,

00:44:42 I would think that we'd be very open to having that discussion.

00:44:45 Yeah, I mean, by the way, I think that all of this stuff,

00:44:49 and i mean i i think you and i disagree on on independence lauren but i think this stuff

00:44:54 shows the frustrations and the pointlessness of dealing within the system if the best the system

00:45:00 can do is a hundred caveats on a vague mou and anytime something gets done a radical judge

00:45:07 overturns it um yeah i don't know how independence could be any more chaotic one of the things jason

00:45:12 kenny always says is independence would be chaotic really more chaotic than the judges we're seeing

00:45:18 more chaotic than a prime minister with his vague carbon demands one of the points i made after

00:45:25 that judge determined that there was this newfound right for of first nations to be consulted in

00:45:33 advance yeah like who gets to be consulted in advance of a law passing or a referendum now

00:45:39 nobody gets but i said okay so that's section 35 of the charter section 15 says you have to

00:45:47 give equal consideration to race gender uh sex there's a whole disability there's a whole list

00:45:56 of of uh minority issues that you have to give equal consideration now is government going to

00:46:05 have to go before it makes any laws and ask women and black people and you know the disabled whether 0.94

00:46:15 that's okay with them yeah yeah what happens to democracy when that happens yeah i think you're 0.91

00:46:19 right hey i got one last question for you know i really like danielle smith and there's a lot of

00:46:24 things i like about her including the fact that she came into politics i mean she really started 1.00

00:46:28 with a top job uh i mean she she had a history with the wild rose party but she came in she

00:46:33 colonized the ucp party and she's running i think she's done a fairly good job but this is a real

00:46:39 pickle for her because she wants to do a deal with mark carney and i think that's the right

00:46:44 thing to want um but i and i'm not going to say she was bamboozled here but boy she's showing a

00:46:51 lot of enthusiasm for something that is not a win and i don't know do you think she's getting

00:46:56 played by mark carney there's always that chance when you're working with the feds that you're

00:47:02 being played i mean the last time i know we weren't being played was back in the 70s when

00:47:09 And Lougheed put together a cabinet that was full of experts who knew how to play back when the Fed started.

00:47:16 But at the end, in the end of all of that, he still clinked champagne glasses with Pierre Trudeau over the National Energy Program.

00:47:23 So is she being played? Probably. Is she being too optimistic? Definitely.

00:47:32 Yeah. Well, I think I mean, listen, I really like her and I've been friends with her since the university, by the way.

00:47:38 but um she's in a very precarious time because on the one hand uh it looks like the courts are

00:47:43 going to derail a referendum that hundreds of thousands of albertans have said that said they

00:47:47 wanted and on the other hand she's being exuberant over a nothing mou i think she has to be careful

00:47:54 because you got 7 000 petition canvassers who are all revved up looking for something to do

00:47:59 and and i think that she needs to direct them at an external bad guy namely mark carney because if

00:48:06 she says no carny good judge good referendum bad i do not want i mean there's a there's really a

00:48:13 curse of alberta premiers they're all thrown out after one term and she has to be very very careful

00:48:18 when she does that too because if her actions lead to the creation of another party how does

00:48:27 it sound premier in the head nenshi yeah well that's the only way the ndp will win is if there's

00:48:33 two parties on the right yeah i think she can handle it i i honestly don't know who her key

00:48:38 advisors are on these matters i think she's done a pretty good job of navigating them but today i

00:48:43 think was sort of a gross announcement by carney and i think it was too friendly received lawrence

00:48:48 great to catch up with you what are you writing about in the edmonton journal these days

00:48:51 mostly about this yeah yeah i mean the judges decisions and these mous there's not much else

00:48:58 that interests readers right at the moment yeah well we'll keep an eye on that thanks very much

00:49:01 for giving us your time you bet there he is loren gunter senior columnist for the edmonton journal

00:49:06 stay with us your letters next

00:49:09 hey welcome back your letters to me about alexa touching down in london john ml says genuinely

00:49:24 impressed harr starmer didn't ban rebel news either well he did ban me and he banned avi

00:49:30 Amini. I guess he doesn't really know our whole organizational chart. I did say to Alexa, keep a

00:49:36 low profile till you're across the border. I guess that she wasn't on their hit list. Mark M says,

00:49:42 thanks for showing the world what's happening in our country. I bet Starmer will be kicking his cat

00:49:46 all around Downing Street after watching this. I think everything's, the walls are closing in,

00:49:51 as they say. I mean, about a hundred of his own MPs, including many cabinet ministers,

00:49:56 have called on him to step down he just got slaughtered in local council elections everyone

00:50:01 knows that will happen in the next election too i think he's actually the least popular

00:50:05 prime minister in the history of uk polling so everything's he's just burning the place down

00:50:11 as he goes down to wayland says i got banned from the uk writing this

00:50:17 well i hope that's not true but it wouldn't shock me i mean remember the uk is the place

00:50:23 where, according to the Times of London, a very prestigious newspaper,

00:50:27 30 people a day are arrested or accosted by police

00:50:31 for what they put on social media.

00:50:32 That's such a staggeringly large number.

00:50:35 I hate to say it, but it's actually more than China or Russia

00:50:38 arrests per day for mean words.

00:50:41 I know that sounds crazy, and I'm not saying that the UK

00:50:45 is worse than China or Russia, but holy smokes, 0.73

00:50:47 by some measures, it looks like they're trying to be worse. 0.62

00:50:50 That's our show for the day.

00:50:51 until tomorrow when alexa's going to be on the ground boy it's going to be an interesting day

00:50:56 good night and keep fighting for freedom

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