Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ An in-depth look at Alberta's 'better late than never' mass immigration reversal with Lorne Gunter

00:00:00.000 Hello my friends, an incredible statement yesterday by Danielle Smith, the Premier of Alberta,

00:00:04.940 coming out guns blazing against mass immigration. Very interesting and she managed to communicate it 0.72

00:00:11.500 in a very gentle and persuasive and loving way, if I can use that word. I'll show you the video

00:00:17.600 and then Lauren Gunter and I are going to go through the response to that video

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00:00:58.080 Tonight, finally, a concerted opposition to mass immigration. Not from our federal opposition

00:01:18.760 leader, though, from the province of Alberta. It's September 18th and this is the Ezra LeVance

00:01:23.960 show. Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:39.740 Well, immigration is a federal issue under the constitution, the separation of powers,

00:01:46.380 but more and more provinces want to say, especially Quebec, which likes to choose its own immigrants

00:01:52.260 for linguistic and cultural reasons. But Justin Trudeau has gone absolutely bonkers in the last

00:01:59.540 few years with immigration. The numbers are, frankly, they're quadrupled. I was astounded when I first

00:02:05.900 heard that there were more than two million people brought to Canada last year. Two million. You might

00:02:12.960 say, well, that's not true, Ezra. There's only half a million immigrants. Well, that's what they call 1.00

00:02:17.620 people who apply to be, you know, to immigrate to Canada doesn't include the more than one million

00:02:24.380 people on a student visa. And we learned that only a third of them are in accredited universities.

00:02:30.620 Doesn't include the 750,000 temporary foreign workers. So if you add it all up and then there's the

00:02:37.820 hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers, two million people were brought into this country and you can

00:02:43.860 feel it on the street of any large or even medium sized city. It's absolutely astonishing.

00:02:51.200 Even more crazy is when you see where the so-called asylum seekers or refugees are from. The number one 1.00

00:02:57.540 source of refugees, if I'm not mistaken, is India. Yeah, the world's largest democracy that is at peace.

00:03:05.080 There's no civil war in India. It wouldn't be my first choice for a place to live, but it's a fine

00:03:10.320 country. It's rapidly developing. There are multi-party democracies. There's a fairly vigorous

00:03:15.820 opposition and a vigorous press. Why would the number one source of refugees be from India? Mexico's on 1.00

00:03:25.240 that list too. Yeah, there are some parts of Mexico where there's a bit of a crime problem. I don't deny

00:03:30.180 that one bit. But again, Mexico is not a civil rights crisis. If you're coming from Mexico saying

00:03:37.300 you're seeking refugee status, you are most likely a liar and an advantage taker. And I think as much 1.00

00:03:45.080 as anything, it's that bogus nature, the obvious fraud of these fake refugees that poisons people 1.00

00:03:53.320 against immigration. Of course, the raw numbers have something to do with it too. And so it was very

00:03:58.000 interesting to me that Danielle Smith, the premier of Alberta, who has largely been silent on matters

00:04:03.520 of immigration, she weighed in in a big way the other day with a televised address to Albertans.

00:04:10.960 Let me play for you a couple of minutes of a clip from her, and then we'll bring in our friend Lauren 0.53

00:04:15.780 Gunter, the senior columnist from the Edmonton Sun, to talk about it. This is quite a bold statement.

00:04:22.840 I'll let you hear it directly. Take a listen.

00:04:24.600 Now, Alberta has always welcomed newcomers who possess our shared values, and we will continue

00:04:29.460 to do so. Welcoming those who believe in working hard, protecting our freedoms, contributing to

00:04:35.180 society, following the rule of law, and who have a deep respect for other cultures and faiths different

00:04:40.920 from their own, have long been a strength of our provincial culture and history. Equally as important

00:04:46.400 though, Canada's previous immigration policies under leaders like Prime Minister Stephen Harper,

00:04:51.280 as an example, focused on ensuring that immigration levels matched our nation's economic needs and was

00:04:57.720 commensurate with our ability to build enough houses and infrastructure to keep up with that growth.

00:05:03.760 However, the Trudeau government's unrestrained open border policies, permitting well over a million

00:05:08.960 newcomers each year into Canada, is causing significant challenges and has broken this delicate balance.

00:05:15.020 These historically high immigration levels, especially as it relates to those with temporary visas,

00:05:21.460 is exacerbating shortages in housing, job opportunities for young people, as well as health,

00:05:27.060 education, and other social services infrastructure in a manner that is a severe challenge for all

00:05:32.540 provinces to keep up with, including our own. This drives up the cost of living and strains public

00:05:38.160 services for everyone, new Albertans, lifelong Albertans, and everyone in between.

00:05:42.920 So I am joining with other premiers across our country in calling on the current federal government

00:05:47.780 to immediately reintroduce sensible and restrained immigration policies, similar to levels we saw

00:05:53.520 under Stephen Harper, so that all provinces have some time and resources to sustainably catch up

00:05:59.360 with growth and to ensure those coming here closely align with our country's economic needs and our core values.

00:06:06.040 And if the current federal government won't make these changes, our government will certainly support a new one that will.

00:06:10.920 There you have it. Danielle Smith in her televised provincial address last night joining us now 0.98

00:06:15.900 to talk about it. And the reaction by the federal immigration minister, Mark Miller, to it is our friend

00:06:22.180 Lauren Gunter. Lauren, what do you think of that? That's quite a strong statement for a premier who I think

00:06:27.560 has avoided foreign affairs immigration issues pretty assiduously. What do you think?

00:06:31.840 Well, and I think that her libertarian background made her less open or less

00:06:41.140 vigilant about this issue that, you know, there should be free movement of people across borders

00:06:48.820 within limits and, you know, with that idea to national security and all that sort of thing.

00:06:53.560 And so she has only lately come to the realization of what the federal government has done, but better

00:07:01.100 late than never. I mean, I think that's a very good statement on her part. That is an excellent

00:07:05.760 summation of what the feds have done. And as you said in the lead in, we're now looking at most years

00:07:13.480 north of two million people getting into Canada one way or another. And OK, so some of them are temporary

00:07:21.640 foreign workers, some of them are foreign students, some of them are visitors. If those people all went 0.97

00:07:27.680 home when their visas expired, this wouldn't be as big an issue. But those people make up two thirds

00:07:33.680 or more, maybe closer to three quarters of the intake of newcomers every year. And very few of them go home

00:07:41.960 when their visas run out. Now, foreign students are particularly good examples. We're not talking here

00:07:48.500 in most cases about bright young mathematicians, chemists, medical students who are studying at

00:07:55.800 big, reputable universities. We're talking about people who are in six and nine month career education

00:08:01.200 programs at those colleges that you only notice out of the corner of your eye when you're driving past

00:08:06.300 on the street. And when they're done their programs, they're given about 12 months to 18 months

00:08:15.260 to work in Canada before they're supposed to go back to their country of residence. But that limit has

00:08:23.440 been expanded, extended by the Liberals five times. And so you have an awful lot of people who came here

00:08:29.280 studied for six or nine months in marketing management or some sort of, well, let's say less than vigorous

00:08:39.020 program. While they were here doing that, they could work up to 40 hours a week. So really what

00:08:45.780 they were doing was they were working full time. They were kind of enrolled in these colleges. And

00:08:50.700 then when that expired, they were able to stay on for another year and a half, most of the time

00:08:58.420 working 40 hours a week or more. And then when their visas were running out, the federal government

00:09:04.920 extended and extended and extended. So basically what they were doing in Ottawa is they were running

00:09:09.020 a parallel immigration system. You couldn't get all the people in in the 450,000 quota immigration 0.95

00:09:15.440 system we had. So they created this other program, run people through student visas. And they doubled

00:09:23.600 the number. There are twice as many people in a student visa program, roughly, as there are in a

00:09:29.740 regular immigration system. And then you got to add temporary foreign workers and asylum seekers.

00:09:35.680 And asylum seekers are mostly people who came here saying they were going to be tourists. You can fill

00:09:42.580 out a form online to get a travel pass to come into Canada. You fill out the form, you pay seven bucks

00:09:52.000 and you get the pass. And then when you get here, you say, oh, I'm seeking asylum. And thanks to 0.52

00:09:57.380 Supreme Court ruling back in the 1990s, everybody who is on Canadian soil has the same right to legal

00:10:05.900 processes, including having the government subsidize their legal defense. They have the same rights,

00:10:14.720 even if they're only here on a visitor's visa, as people who were born and raised in Canada or people

00:10:20.900 who have come to Canada and become naturalized citizens. There is no advantage in the legal system

00:10:29.360 to being a citizen of the country, whether you were born here or naturalized here. People who just come 1.00

00:10:35.320 and show up can start claiming the same rights. And I think that that's nuts. But that's what the

00:10:41.660 liberals have wanted. You remember Trudeau when he was, before he became prime minister, he talked

00:10:46.240 that this was a post-national country, that we weren't really a nation anymore. We were a concept.

00:10:54.220 That's what he meant. We could absorb two and a half million people a year and it would be fine. But

00:10:59.360 of course, that's exacerbated inflation and it's exacerbated the housing crisis and all sorts of

00:11:07.660 other, like healthcare. You know, the waiting rooms and hospitals are fuller than they would be

00:11:12.760 otherwise because we have 2 million new people a year coming to Canada. Yeah. It's absurd. And

00:11:20.940 in many cases, in almost every case, if you follow the money, you understand why. Those fake colleges

00:11:31.780 that you see in strip malls that are teaching loosey-goosey degrees, they're not teaching medicine

00:11:36.780 or even accounting or law or engineering or something tangible. They're teaching

00:11:41.260 loosey-goosey stuff and, but they're charging monster tuition. So they're basically human

00:11:48.960 traffickers. They say, we'll let you into Canada. Just pay us $15,000 for a six-month course in

00:11:55.400 barbershop marketing. Not that there's anything wrong with barbershop marketing, but we don't need

00:12:00.460 people to come here from India to study barbershop. We don't just cut one here. We cut them all. 1.00

00:12:06.100 That's right. Barbershop marketing. I just make it so much. So there's tens of billions of dollars

00:12:12.580 in basically, I'm going to call them, I mean, not quite bribes because they're basically,

00:12:18.500 these colleges are selling visas is really what's going on. Yeah. I think that's largely fair. Yeah. 1.00

00:12:25.880 And on the temporary foreign workers side, I like going to McDonald's for breakfast. I like their 0.98

00:12:32.040 coffee better than Tim Hortons, but McDonald's is a foreign international company. So is Tim Hortons,

00:12:37.420 by the way, it's owned by a Brazilian American hedge fund. And I would doubt that there's 5%

00:12:43.920 of the staff of those companies are, are Canadian citizens. So basically what we're doing is bringing

00:12:49.200 in temporary foreign workers to subsidize billion dollar foreign companies. So they don't have to pay

00:12:55.720 another bucket, a buck an hour to hire Canadians. I was looking at the stats. There's 350,000 unemployed

00:13:02.320 young Canadians. That's by definition of doing 15 and 24 years of age. So there's 350,000 unemployed

00:13:09.600 young people and there's 750,000 temporary foreign workers. I'm not saying they're all working

00:13:14.980 at McDonald's and Tim Hortons, but a lot of them are. But you know what? There's another side to that

00:13:20.000 too. And, and I know a fellow in Northern Alberta who owns eight Tim Hortons, he could not get

00:13:28.780 unemployed young Canadians to work for. He went to get temporary foreign workers because otherwise

00:13:35.260 he'd have to shut down some of his stores. So we do have a, we do have a double edged problem there in

00:13:43.940 that an awful lot of young Canadians don't want to take those kinds of jobs.

00:13:48.060 Sure. You know what though? I think people could pay an extra buck for the breakfast sandwich

00:13:52.740 or, uh, and employ a Canadian. And I think, but you'd have, you'd have to explain it that way.

00:13:58.740 And, and nobody does explain it that way. The other thing you'd have to do is you'd have to make

00:14:04.620 the, um, ease of getting social benefits harder, because then you, you wouldn't be able to turn

00:14:13.780 your nose up at a $16 an hour, uh, coffee push job at McDonald's. Like, you know, people say,

00:14:20.500 oh, I couldn't possibly. We have to make it socially acceptable to be in the trades or to

00:14:27.460 have that first job. And exactly. I mean, my first job was working when I was 14 years old,

00:14:33.100 I was working in fast food at Calloway park near Calgary. And when I was 14, that was a big deal

00:14:41.280 to go and work for the lowest rung on the ladder, but you can't get to the second rung on a ladder

00:14:45.300 before you climb the first one. I made a buck 65 an hour in my first job working at a dairy queen.

00:14:51.560 And I'm glad there aren't any pictures of me wearing that hat, but you know what you

00:14:56.780 probably, but you know, I learned so much. Doug and Lil Burgess were the franchisees in medicine

00:15:02.980 hat when I was growing up. And I learned so much from them about punctuality, responsibility,

00:15:10.240 customer service. Oh my goodness. There would be people who would come and they'd have to stand in

00:15:14.000 a long line on a hot Sunday evening. And they would be mad when they got to the window. But I learned

00:15:19.300 from Doug and Lil how to use a smile to turn away their frustration. And you know, it's, it, that's

00:15:26.140 a lesson that has served me well all my life. So you can learn an awful lot. There was one time when

00:15:31.220 7% of the U S workforce had had its first job at a McDonald's, not at, at any fast food restaurant,

00:15:41.100 not the Wendy's and, and the Burger Kings and things just at McDonald's 7% of them. And, and that gives

00:15:48.320 people a really good grounding in a, in a tough job for last day. And the other thing is if you work

00:15:57.320 in one of those jobs for a while, you think, yeah, maybe I should go back to school and get a degree

00:16:03.840 or a trade or whatever, cause I'm going to make a lot more money and be more satisfied. So they're

00:16:09.040 good that way too. But, but you know, this is, all of this is just one problem that the liberals

00:16:15.360 have woked away, right? This is one of the examples where wokeness is more important to them than 0.97

00:16:22.960 economic theory, than statistics, than business, than the reality of the world. And it, they have

00:16:29.660 run us into the ground with this ridiculous policy. I mean, I think it was interesting that, that earlier

00:16:37.240 today, uh, Mark Miller, the, the immigration minister kind of admitted that they had let the

00:16:43.880 immigration issue run rampant and that even they were trying to scale it back. Now they're not doing

00:16:50.920 anything in, in, in any numbers that would really make a difference. Uh, but anything right now would

00:16:59.320 be a help over what it is that they've been doing for the last three or four years.

00:17:03.480 Let me, uh, throw to a, a few, we have a couple of clips from Mark Miller and including one from

00:17:09.160 before Danielle Smith's speech. But, um, one of the reasons I believe Trudeau is juicing the

00:17:14.760 immigration numbers, first of all, um, I, I think they believe that mass immigration will turn into

00:17:21.080 mass liberal votes in a few years. And there's, there seems to be evidence for that, or at least there

00:17:25.960 has been in the past, but without mass immigration, Canada would have been in a recession for some time

00:17:33.160 now. What I mean by that is on a per capita basis, Canadians are, are falling behind where we're,

00:17:40.360 our incomes are falling per person. So you personally are poorer now than you were a year ago.

00:17:48.200 How do you mask that if the GDP for the entire country is shrinking? Well, you bring in millions of

00:17:56.360 people. And although that doesn't fix the per capita poverty, it, it gooses the big number because

00:18:03.240 the GDP, Oh, it's gone up a couple of points. Yeah. Cause you brought in, you're literally bringing

00:18:08.440 in 5% of the population in this country. How could it not grow? So it's masking the poverty. Here's a

00:18:16.120 clip where, where, um, Mark Miller basically says he admits it. He says, were it not for mass immigration,

00:18:24.440 we'd have to admit we're in a recession. Uh, the bank of Canada has said it, the international

00:18:27.960 monetary is fund to set of immigration writ large has been in part responsible for preventing us from

00:18:34.040 going into a recession has been important for the net growth in the gross domestic product. Again,

00:18:41.960 this has been important and it's been important to the growth of the country, but I think it's safe to

00:18:47.240 admit that, uh, we have allowed certain aspects of this to get overheated and probably for too long.

00:18:53.160 Well, there you have it. He's admitting that it's basically putting up makeup on a very ugly face of

00:19:00.600 the economy. Yeah. It's, it is a fake growth because it's, it's, and I've heard economists argue this

00:19:09.400 and even economists that I like who say, Oh yes, but without immigration, we'd be in a recession. Yeah.

00:19:16.200 I can guarantee you though, that the average Canadian has felt like they've been in a recession now for

00:19:21.240 about a year and a half or two years. Uh, and only statistically does immigration mask the reality

00:19:29.960 of the economy. The inflation is too high. The carbon tax sucks too much money out of your pocket.

00:19:35.880 They're there. It's harder for your kids to find a job. Housing prices keep going up and lots of those

00:19:43.000 have nothing to do with immigration, but many of them also are exacerbated by immigration. So you bring in 1.00

00:19:48.440 all of these immigrants and they suddenly start producing slightly more GDP so that it doesn't 1.00

00:19:54.760 look like GDP is shrinking. It's growing very, very small. I mean, there was one, one quarter, uh,

00:20:02.120 this year where I grew by 0.2%. I mean, that's pathetic. Um, so it's growing small, but it's growing. 0.96

00:20:09.880 And so you can say, Oh, well, yes, of course the country is growing and that's because we're bringing

00:20:13.320 in all these immigrants. But if you look at the cost of living for the average Canadian and the 1.00

00:20:20.760 opportunities that they see and the ability for them to buy a home, even to buy a 480 square foot

00:20:28.840 condo tower apartment in Toronto is evaporating because there's so much pressure on the housing market.

00:20:37.400 And that is largely, although not entirely, but largely from immigration. And it's, it's,

00:20:44.040 so it's ridiculous for people to say immigration has kept us from being in a recession. Statistically,

00:20:49.720 yes. I mean, but it's, it's like wallpapering over a giant hole in your house and hoping that

00:20:54.920 that's going to keep the cold air out in, in the wintertime. It's not, you know, um,

00:21:00.760 there are some major institutions in this country that benefit from that gross GDP. And,

00:21:07.880 and even if we're getting poorer individually, like if you're a bank, pretty much everyone in

00:21:12.440 Canada needs a bank account. And in fact, if you only have a little bit of money, you actually

00:21:17.160 proportionally pay more in fees. Um, pretty much everyone in Canada needs a cell phone.

00:21:21.960 Um, everyone needs a landlord. Um, so, so you've, there are some powerful lobbies, developers of

00:21:31.720 condos and apartments. So there are some people that the raw numbers is golden to them. Um, but

00:21:38.120 that's very different than, than the average or ordinary person. I want to move on to the second

00:21:43.880 clip from Mark Miller, because this is the one you were alluding to where he's sort of

00:21:48.920 admitting that maybe they've gone a little too far. Listen to these astonishing numbers.

00:21:54.360 He talks about the number of visa applicants from India alone is 50,000 per month. Do the math on

00:22:05.480 that. That's 600,000 people a year from India alone who want to come here. Here, listen to the exact

00:22:13.160 stats as he says it. Take a look. Those measures that we have taken internally

00:22:17.720 to be a little more restrictive on who gets visas. Looking at countries where we are seeing

00:22:25.560 people exploiting the visa system, that is to say that those that are claiming for asylum are not

00:22:32.280 legitimate asylum claimants, uh, is a challenge to the system, particularly given the volume of people 1.00

00:22:40.280 that are looking to come to Canada. Again, as I said in French, it is a privilege to come to Canada. It is

00:22:45.240 not a right. If you compare the numbers of people that have come in, for example,

00:22:51.960 in one country where we have had some of those challenges from India, we have seen those visas

00:22:56.920 jump down from around 50,000 in January to less than 10,000 in August. Again, these are preliminary

00:23:05.160 numbers, but it is an indicative sign that the measures that we have taken over the summer after

00:23:09.960 discussions with my provincial colleagues are working. There's more work to do. And again,

00:23:14.520 there are a number of measures that we need to take to make sure that when asylum seekers come to this 1.00

00:23:19.160 country, they, uh, they, they get due process, but that there is no abuse in the system. And it is

00:23:25.480 incumbent on the federal government to act when it controls the levers, particularly at the border.

00:23:31.240 So he started grudgingly admitting that it was out of control, but this isn't news to him. He's known

00:23:35.800 this the whole time. He's been in favor of this the whole time. In fact, until about five minutes ago,

00:23:41.160 if you, if you criticize this, you were a racist. 0.61

00:23:43.800 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, I'm, I am amazed that he named the country that was responsible for

00:23:53.240 sending the most, uh, uh, of these asylum seeker tourist temporary visa because that alone would have

00:24:03.000 been verboten in the liberal caucus until a month ago. Uh, you know, they've made, they've now started

00:24:10.280 to say, well, we're going to cap the number of foreign students. We're going to cap the number

00:24:13.960 of, of, uh, temporary foreign workers. The thing about the temporary foreign workers that drives me 0.99

00:24:20.120 up the wall is that when Jason Kenney was the immigration minister and Stephen Harper was the

00:24:25.800 prime minister, they made provision to allow 70,000 temporary foreign workers into Canada, largely because

00:24:34.440 there was this, uh, job deficit. We, we had too few workers, particularly in oil and gas, and they

00:24:43.160 needed bodies. So they let in 70,000. Well, the unions and the NDP and the Prado star, and oh my

00:24:51.400 goodness, they're ruining the country, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The liberals are letting in 700,000 or 0.63

00:24:57.880 more a year and only just now. Yeah. Has anybody thought to criticize them over this? It did the,

00:25:04.600 the hypocrisy, uh, if legacy media, we wonder sometimes why we're losing credibility. And I,

00:25:11.400 and I think that's a particularly good reason why we, we examine one side of the issue vigorously

00:25:19.080 and ignore the flaws in the other side. And, and one of the reasons I got into this business 30

00:25:25.080 some years ago was it was fun to be able to sit in the middle and pick apart both sides.

00:25:31.240 You know, um, Danielle Smith showed a lot of courage saying what she said in the political

00:25:36.360 media environment. She's already getting bashed online for it. Um, other premiers have shown that 0.93

00:25:41.000 courage to the premiers of Quebec has basically, I mean, about a month ago, he said without temporary

00:25:47.320 foreign workers, uh, we would solve our housing problem immediately, which is I think statistically 0.99

00:25:53.240 true or close to true Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, Alberta, Quebec, that's four provinces have spoken

00:25:59.160 out boldly. And what's interesting to me is those are all provincial leaders, um, who again, don't have

00:26:05.560 really constitutional authority. It's just through agreements that maybe they speak out. Whereas the

00:26:11.400 federal conservatives in the form of Pierre Polyev in particular is still sort of timid previous

00:26:18.120 conservative leaders, uh, Aaron O'Toole and Andrew Scheer basically said, whatever the liberals say,

00:26:23.320 we say it too. Please don't call us racist. Pierre Polyev is slowly and carefully finding his feet.

00:26:28.840 He's saying, well, we'll track it to home building and employment, but he's not, which, okay, that's a

00:26:34.920 baby step, but he's not saying stop it. He's not saying stop the bogus stuff. Stop the, like he's not calling

00:26:41.320 out, uh, things in the same way that Danielle Smith did. And until Harper, until the end of the Harper

00:26:47.960 era, through Christian, through Martin, you know, so for what, however many years of liberalness that,

00:26:55.160 that was, um, uh, back through Mulroney, basically our immigration were decisions were based on economic

00:27:03.400 need. Right. If the country had an economic need for what you possess, the skills you possess, the

00:27:09.080 entrepreneurial, uh, smarts that you had, uh, the trade, whatever it was, we were happy to let

00:27:15.720 you in because it was a win-win. We needed those skills. You wanted to come to Canada, but that all

00:27:22.920 had that connection with the economic side of things has gone out the window under the liberal.

00:27:28.120 You know, it's true. And I'm glad Pierre Polyev is slowly finding his courage, but I think he's so

00:27:35.320 terrified of the traditional liberal media weapon against conservatives, your racism that he, that's,

00:27:41.320 I think that's the only reason holding him back. And I, and I think that that, that, that weapon

00:27:46.600 has been disarmed a bit. I think in, in some ways now, if the Toronto Star editorializes that you are a

00:27:55.800 racist because you don't want to have, uh, you know, 700,000 foreign students in the country.

00:28:01.320 Yeah. A lot of people who are reading are going to say, I agree with that. I don't think you're

00:28:05.720 racist. I just think that that's smart. And, and yeah, like for instance, on my own case,

00:28:11.960 I have, I was reluctant to go too hard on the subject of immigration until it became a mathematical

00:28:20.040 issue. I am not against immigration. I'm not against immigrants from any particular area of the,

00:28:25.320 of the world. I don't have a lot of strong feelings about family reunification, for instance,

00:28:32.600 as long as economically you're viable, but the math now just simply does not work. It just doesn't.

00:28:42.600 And so I think we're getting to that realization among the population where, you know, we understand

00:28:48.520 now that one and a half or 2 million new people a year is unsustainable. I, I, and I think it's

00:28:55.320 really, really funny because of course the people who are the, the most, uh, adamant about maintaining

00:29:01.480 these high numbers are the very people who think that, well, our current use of fossil fuels is

00:29:08.920 unsustainable. Hey, great point.

00:29:10.520 We're not big on sustainability when it comes to the population or the economy. There's so much

00:29:18.920 inconsistency among progressives and the left in the country, whether they're media or politicians

00:29:24.920 or advocates, uh, that it's, I, some days I just wake up and I wonder, am I bashing my head against

00:29:30.680 the wall? You know, the other day I came across a podcast, I think it was called Toronto Tings,

00:29:35.960 sort of spoken in a Jamaican accent and sort of Caribbean Torontonians. And they were just

00:29:40.520 flabbergasted with the immigration numbers. When, when Caribbean Torontonians who have been here for 1.00

00:29:47.480 20 or 30 years, but still have a bit of that Caribbean accent, when they're saying,

00:29:51.080 this is crazy, please stop, you know, it's safe to come out. But I think there's some politicians

00:29:56.200 in shell shock. I saw this just the other day, my friend, Steve Edgington interviewed Nigel Farage,

00:30:01.160 the head of the UK Reform Party that was elected really on stopping the migrant boats.

00:30:06.600 Their Roxham Road is basically a flotilla of dinghies coming across every day.

00:30:11.080 And Steve said, are you for mass deportations? Um, I think Tony Blair at his height was deporting

00:30:16.920 55,000 a year. Here's Nigel Farage saying, no, I'm not going to try and take that one on. Here's a

00:30:23.880 quick clip of that. It's a political impossibility to deport hundreds of thousands of people. We simply

00:30:29.400 can't do it. At the moment, it's a political impossibility. But is it your ambition? No.

00:30:37.080 I'm not going to get dragged down the route of mass deportations or anything like that.

00:30:41.720 Yeah, I mean, people are always going to come and go. And we are a country that's engaged in

00:30:45.720 international trade. And we have relationships around the world through the Commonwealth, etc.

00:30:51.480 Um, but yeah, we have to aim at a balanced migration policy. But net zero still means hundreds 0.98

00:30:58.120 of thousands of people coming into Britain, immigrants coming into Britain. Isn't that too

00:31:02.360 many? I know it may well be, but we have to start somewhere.

00:31:05.800 As Trump says in America that he wants mass deportations, we're talking about hundreds

00:31:09.160 of thousands of illegal immigrants are in Britain at the moment. Some estimates say the number could

00:31:13.320 even be in, you know, a million plus. So do you support deporting all of those people?

00:31:17.560 It's impossible to do. Literally impossible to do.

00:31:20.600 If Nigel Farage himself is so terrified of being called far right that he's abandoned the idea of

00:31:26.520 deportations, you can see how scary it is. But I'm glad to see that the conservative

00:31:31.240 party is fielding Jamil Giovanni, who's one of their newly elected MPs. And he's a visible minority

00:31:39.000 himself. So I think that the conservatives are leaning into it. Here's a quick clip of Jamil Giovanni.

00:31:44.520 Maybe he doesn't have to be so worried about being called a racist, being a black man himself.

00:31:48.840 Take a look. I rise in the House today to oppose Bill C-71. And I do so wanting to recognize the

00:31:57.720 context that our country finds itself in right now. We have too high immigration levels. We are now 1.00

00:32:06.440 approaching an average of 1.5 million people coming into the country per year. And the reason we know

00:32:13.320 that's too high is because population growth is now outpacing the job market. It's outpacing the housing

00:32:21.480 market. It's also outpacing investment in social services like hospitals, schools and child care

00:32:28.920 facilities. The quality of life for the average Canadian is in decline because of the stress being

00:32:35.960 placed on our local economies and on public services. Well, look, I think this is good news.

00:32:42.680 I wish it happened years ago. Frankly, I wish it happened under Stephen Harper. I am motivated,

00:32:48.760 I think, more by cultural issues than you are, Lauren, because I look at these Hamas hate marches

00:32:54.040 in Toronto and Montreal and other places. And I see that it's 90 percent newcomers. It's about 10 percent

00:33:01.160 woke university kids that maybe you'll grow out of it, just like they have maybe a lesbian phase 1.00

00:33:06.440 when they're on campus that they grow out of. They'll have a Palestinian phase where they grow out 1.00

00:33:10.600 of. But I'm talking about people who come here from endemically anti-Semitic places. They're not

00:33:16.920 going to grow out of it. They were never screened for it. They never were told it was wrong. The people

00:33:23.000 I see leading the Hamas marches with masks and with violence and uttering threats and mischief and

00:33:28.760 trespass. I'm not talking about hate crimes. I'm talking about real crimes. They are overwhelmingly

00:33:33.480 new Canadians. And we did not do a values test. So I'm much more motivated by that because I'm

00:33:39.960 alert to it because I'm Jewish. And so I see this anti-Semitic crime wave. But no matter how you get

00:33:45.880 to it, I think bringing in refugees from Gaza is insane. But that's happening right now. 1.00

00:33:54.280 Anyway, I'm very pleased to see that. And doubly insane without screening them.

00:33:58.760 Yeah, there's no betting.

00:34:00.040 So the NDP caucus and members of the Liberal caucus are aghast at the idea that Global Affairs

00:34:06.760 Canada, or Canada Border Security Agency, will ask the Israelis if the person who's thinking of

00:34:13.880 coming to Canada has any outstanding security issues back in Gaza. Oh, how can you ask the 0.68

00:34:20.120 Israelis? Of course, they're going to hate all those people. They're not going to let anybody. 1.00

00:34:24.200 Nobody knows better, person for person, who in Gaza is a threat and who is not. 1.00

00:34:30.200 Yeah. Well, yeah. Who else are you going to ask? The Hamas administrators? 0.85

00:34:35.480 Let me leave you with one clip. 0.87

00:34:36.760 The UN?

00:34:37.400 Yeah, that's right. Here's one last clip of Mark Miller. Now, this was from a few days ago. So this

00:34:42.440 was before Danielle Smith delivered what I thought was a very persuasive remark. Here he is referring

00:34:48.600 to refugees and migrants almost as a punishment, as a weapon. And if you don't take your fair share, 0.99

00:34:54.760 we'll put them in your province no matter what. We'll just buy a hotel and plunk them down. We'll

00:35:00.440 create a little plantation. Take a look.

00:35:03.240 But we've never said anything of this sort. Well, look, right now we could open up a hotel

00:35:07.880 in any particular province and ship people there. That's an option. We have been moving

00:35:12.680 people around to relieve pressure from Ontario and Quebec. That's not a financially viable model.

00:35:18.040 It's not an effective model. But it's one that needs some reform in order to make sure the

00:35:23.560 provinces are stepping up. Looking at what their labor force needs are, what the capacity is to help

00:35:29.400 some of these folks as they wait, the determination of their protected person status. And it's one

00:35:34.440 where we actually need coordination with provinces. Most of the provinces are at the table talking to

00:35:38.920 us about what these models would be. It's far from being complete. But again, there's only so far

00:35:46.600 the federal government can actually be nice and say, please, please. We also have levers that we need to

00:35:51.800 pull and push. And provinces do get the benefit from immigration. So it's something that we need to deal

00:35:57.800 with in a responsible fashion. And we expect every single province to be responsible.

00:36:01.320 Well, there he is. He's toned down a little bit since I was like, I tell you, this Mark Miller,

00:36:06.120 he would not be in cabinet were he not part of Justin Trudeau's wedding party. He's like,

00:36:10.360 Exactly. It was a dumb crew. Seamus O'Regan was dumber. I'll grant you that. 1.00

00:36:14.360 Mark Miller is as smart as he is beautiful. I mean, this guy is rough. But, but he's one of the,

00:36:20.600 he's one of the last remaining palace guard who supports Justin Trudeau.

00:36:23.800 It's not like, it's not like Trudeau is a genius. Trudeau is lightweight. So he picked all sorts of

00:36:29.800 lightweights from his, his university classes, his university days and his wedding party to join

00:36:34.920 him in cabinet. I, the only, the only one I think in, in that whole group, that was the little Trudeau

00:36:39.960 cabal at McGill, who's worth their weight is probably Dominic LeBlanc.

00:36:44.440 Yeah. His dad, his dad at least.

00:36:46.680 Yeah. But he, he himself could be a serious cabinet minister in a more serious prime minister's

00:36:54.200 cabinet, could have been in Martin's cabinet, could have been in Christian's cabinet. You know,

00:36:58.280 he, he is a grownup, but he's one of the only ones there. And, and, you know, Miller is,

00:37:03.880 Miller is astonishing in that the constitution does not give the feds the sole say on immigration. It's a,

00:37:13.160 it is a shared responsibility between the provinces and the federal government. They cannot simply

00:37:20.440 impose a solution on the provinces, except maybe they could buy a hotel in every major city in the

00:37:29.000 country, put a fence around it and make it one of their little internment camps for asylum seekers. 1.00

00:37:37.640 I, but the, the, the very idea of doing that on both sides is repugnant and, and why they would

00:37:46.200 even think about it. I don't know. And, you know, in one of the earlier clips you showed, he said,

00:37:50.920 well, I don't know why these premiers are so upset. They have this document they think that proves we

00:37:56.920 are about to foist tens of thousands of asylum seekers on provinces who don't have them now. 0.93

00:38:03.400 That's just ridiculous. No, I saw the document. The, the Alberta guys gave me a copy of the document

00:38:09.560 they had. And he, and Miller at one point says to the reporters, well, I could give you the document

00:38:14.280 and, and it would clear things up for you. So why did he do it? He didn't do it because the document says

00:38:19.800 exactly what the Alberta and the New Brunswick and the Nova Scotia government say it says, which is, here is how

00:38:26.760 many asylum seekers we have in Canada right now. It's about 238,000. You divide that by each province's

00:38:32.520 population, Alberta gets 28,000. Nova Scotia gets 9,400. New Brunswick gets, I think it's 8,200.

00:38:39.880 It was very clear. I mean, you didn't have to be a genius to read through this document and see

00:38:44.200 exactly what they were planning and they got caught at it. And now he, oh no, no, no, no. It was never our

00:38:49.480 intention to do that. These people are politicizing. They're weaponizing this for political purposes. Oh, old

00:38:55.000 feathers. Yeah. Here's a quick clip of Mark Miller saying that, saying that the provinces are

00:38:59.640 weaponizing immigration. Here, take a look. But sadly, three particularly conservative ministers

00:39:05.720 have stood up, the premiers of Nova Scotia, of New Brunswick and Alberta, and decided to weaponize

00:39:12.200 this working group. They took a theoretical number of asylum seekers based on the last year's number of

00:39:18.600 asylum seekers, divided it up by the population as, as they would, and assumed that the federal

00:39:24.520 government would impose a number of asylum seekers on them. Let me restate, Ontario and Quebec are

00:39:29.800 doing more than their fair share and the other provinces need to step up. But there was no

00:39:34.280 point in time where anyone said that the federal government was going to impose thousands of asylum

00:39:40.840 seekers on unprepared provinces. I should probably give you the documents that they themselves leaked

00:39:45.960 because it would probably be quite helpful for your analysis. But this was a productive working

00:39:50.760 group that has been weaponized by three premiers in particular for their re-election or their

00:39:57.240 or their leadership review. And I think it's really irresponsible.

00:40:00.360 Ilona, I've been trying to study immigration around the world. I've traveled to various

00:40:04.520 countries. I met with Kurt Wilders, the anti-immigration politician who actually got the

00:40:08.920 most votes in the last Dutch election. I went to Marseille when they had race riots there.

00:40:14.760 Very interesting town, about 40 percent Muslim and no integration whatsoever. Just astonishing the 1.00

00:40:22.760 divide between ethnic French and ethnic Algerians mainly. And I've spent a little bit of time in

00:40:29.160 Ireland recently and they had this crazy policy. Lauren, if you think Canada's policy is crazy,

00:40:35.640 listen to this. They have this policy of taking migrants, but one in five Irish these days is a

00:40:42.680 newcomer. Like they've gone crazy with their immigration. But instead of putting them in 1.00

00:40:47.000 in Dublin or the big cities, they're spreading them out in small towns. But in like, here's an

00:40:51.720 example. I was in a tiny village called Dundrum, population about 200. The government booked

00:40:59.000 the whole hotel and is moving in 280 migrants, all military aged migrant men, 280 newcomers in a town of

00:41:09.560 a village of a village of 200. How? How do you cope? How do you get doctors? How do you like that?

00:41:15.160 You've just made the Irish a minority in their own town. And this is a country that fought British

00:41:21.560 plantations, as they call them, for centuries. And I've never seen such rage and anger. Just in a

00:41:27.880 residential area, they're putting 500 in an old sort of factory warehouse across from schools or kids

00:41:35.320 stuff. Like, it's almost like they're designed to irritate people. Why would you put 280 people

00:41:40.920 in a town of 200? Well, I tell you, it's exciting, Lauren. We're finally talking about this issue in

00:41:47.080 the dying days of Trudeau's tenure. Give me your quick prediction. Do you think he's going to be able

00:41:53.560 to tough it out and stick around? He lost a pretty key by-election in a very old liberal riding. Paul

00:42:00.520 Martin's old riding. David Lametti's old riding. Really safe liberal turf. They lost, you know,

00:42:06.360 there was a while it looked like they were, you know, they never really had a chance. There's a

00:42:11.880 while where the NDP was leading there. Do you think Trudeau can tough it out? Do you think there's

00:42:16.600 enough loyalty in the party to let him continue? Or maybe it's just too late. I saw Percy Brown,

00:42:23.240 Percy Downs rather, a liberal senator, writing, Trudeau should have stepped aside, but it's too late now.

00:42:29.720 No one could come in with enough time to get their legs under them before the next election. 0.99

00:42:33.800 It's a shame, but we're stuck with them. It's quite a piece for him to write.

00:42:37.640 Yeah. You know what? Do they have enough time? I think they do.

00:42:43.400 All you have to do is look at the hope among American media and American Democrats for Kamala Harris.

00:42:53.320 I mean, Kamala Harris, if she had the amount of time left that the liberals have left, which is 13 months, 0.99

00:42:58.200 right? She would be exposed as the ultra left, vacant, angry, staff bullying person that she is,

00:43:07.560 but she might just be able to squeak out for two more months. So, you know, you bring somebody new

00:43:15.720 and you bring Mark Carney in and he just, he's not Trudeau. For two months, he's not Trudeau. They call an

00:43:21.000 election, they get a win. And then you find out that he's a smug elitist who has all sorts of

00:43:27.320 conflicts of interest. And, and, you know, I, he probably isn't any better than Trudeau.

00:43:32.440 But anyway, I, do I think Trudeau will tough it out? Yes. Until spring. I can't say beyond that.

00:43:41.160 He's going to make deals. There's a confidence motion coming up for a vote next week in the

00:43:46.920 House of Commons. And the conservatives have brilliantly made this as simple as possible.

00:43:52.040 The House has no confidence in the prime minister or the government, period. It's not about the carbon

00:43:58.440 tax. It's not about any issue. It simply says the House has no confidence. And Jagmeet Singh for

00:44:03.800 three weeks now has been saying Trudeau is done. I have no confidence left and blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:44:08.920 But he's going to find a way to vote for the liberals. And, and I'm told that the way they're

00:44:14.760 going to go with this is the Pharmacare bill is stuck in the Senate. And if you were to suddenly call

00:44:21.800 an election, the Pharmacare bill would die. And so the NDP are going to say, well, until at least the

00:44:28.120 Pharmacare bill is passed because it's so vitally important to Canadians, uh, we have to keep this

00:44:34.200 government in power. And so we're going to vote against the confidence motion by the conservatives.

00:44:38.600 And he's got it. Trudeau is going to find some way to get the block to do that for him every

00:44:42.600 once in a while, get the NDP to do it for him every once in a while. And I think they'll limp

00:44:46.840 through until spring sometime. And then it's just going to be too exhausting and they'll have to let

00:44:53.000 it go. I think you're right. Well, great to see you. Thanks for spending so much time with us today.

00:44:57.320 You bet. All right. There you have Lauren Gunter, a senior columnist 0.95

00:45:01.400 for the Edmonton Sun. Stay with us. Your letters to me next.

00:45:17.480 Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me. Someone nicknamed water bottle says at this point is no

00:45:22.680 longer a question if the liberal party will be out of power with the next election. The question is

00:45:26.920 exactly how far will the party be decimated in terms of amount of seats? I think you're right.

00:45:32.840 Um, I showed you that David Coletto abacus poll that showed how firmly people were voting for

00:45:40.920 Pierre Pauliev. They just were not movable. They weren't even listening to Trudeau except out of

00:45:45.960 disgust. You never know what can happen. I mean, God forbid, may it never happen here. Look what

00:45:51.720 has happened twice to Donald Trump in the last month. Two assassination attempts. May it never

00:45:55.880 happen. God forbid. But I guess what I'm saying is you never know what's going to happen in the course

00:46:00.760 of the next year. Um, that's the most dramatic possibility, but something else could happen.

00:46:06.360 Uh, I think what's going to be interesting and what I hope Pierre Pauliev does if he wins is to have a

00:46:13.480 proper audit and accounting of all the corruption that happened over the last nine years. And I think

00:46:18.920 frankly, that's something Donald Trump could have done in the United States, all the crooked deals and

00:46:24.120 payoffs and commissions. And frankly, the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, I think Donald Trump could have shone a

00:46:30.200 light on a lot of that bad behavior and it would have exposed, frankly, some of his perpetual enemies.

00:46:36.040 Um, it's not just about vengeance. It's about truth and reconciliation, to coin a phrase,

00:46:40.360 to know what was happening and to stop it from happening again. So I think that a lot of that has

00:46:44.920 to happen in Canada if Pauliev wins. H. Chow said, if I were Trudeau, I would consider abandoning the

00:46:51.400 sinking ship of the Liberal Party and join the block or NDP to continue ruling Canada.

00:46:56.680 I think Trudeau is the problem. And he has such a weak team around him. As Lauren and I discussed,

00:47:02.760 he really hired his wedding party and they weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. And don't tell me

00:47:08.120 Chrystia Freeland is that bright. I just don't believe you. Robin Breesbois says,

00:47:13.080 not really progress. Montreal traded socialism for a more extreme version of socialism.

00:47:18.600 I accept what you're saying. I mean, the Bloc Québécois, the NDP, the Liberals, they were all

00:47:23.080 atrocious candidates. I suppose, though, having the block win there is a more significant rebuke

00:47:29.320 to Trudeau. And they are sort of the natural opposition in Quebec. If we don't want Trudeau to

00:47:35.320 win seats, that's going to surely mean the block will win some, given the block has no chance to form

00:47:40.760 government. Frankly, I'm not too concerned. That's the show for today. Until tomorrow,

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