Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Behind the scenes in the government’s dumbest tweet!

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, I want to take you through the worst tweet in the history of Saskatchewan.

00:00:06.340 Now, you might think, well, come on, Saskatchewan. How bad could it be?

00:00:09.420 Oh, I will show you. We actually did an access to information request to get you

00:00:14.960 the background behind this tweet, 23 pages of back and forth about this tweet.

00:00:20.080 It's a doozy. You're going to like today's show.

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00:00:56.600 Tonight, behind the scenes in the government's dumbest tweet.

00:01:07.280 It's December 13th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show. 0.95

00:01:11.860 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:15.540 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:19.620 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it

00:01:23.100 is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:30.700 I saw this tweet by the Saskatchewan Health Authority just two months ago.

00:01:36.620 You can see this is a real tweet.

00:01:39.120 That little blue checkmark means that this is a verified account, not an imposter.

00:01:44.260 This is the Saskatchewan government, their public health authority,

00:01:47.740 the people who actually make the rules that we live under these days.

00:01:51.140 None of these details were actually ever debated in a legislature and voted on by elected officials.

00:01:57.840 So here's what they said in their tweet, these unaccountable, unelected bureaucrats.

00:02:02.820 They said,

00:02:03.160 Now, your risk from COVID-19 is not determined by age, fitness level, or community.

00:02:11.500 Your risk is determined by vaccine status.

00:02:14.460 78% of all new cases and hospitalizations in Saskatchewan in September

00:02:18.520 were unvaccinated or partially vaccinated people.

00:02:21.660 Now, just FYI, before I get into my main story today,

00:02:28.360 I checked on the Saskatchewan Health Authority's website today,

00:02:31.440 and while it was once true that most cases of the virus were amongst the unvaccinated,

00:02:37.300 that is no longer true.

00:02:39.360 You can see two colors on this chart.

00:02:42.360 Green are unvaccinated people. 1.00

00:02:44.860 Yellow are vaccinated people.

00:02:46.600 Well, over time, the pandemic has changed.

00:02:50.600 It's now mainly vaccinated people who are catching it,

00:02:54.840 according to the government's own statistics,

00:02:56.680 which sort of means we need to change the definition of the word vaccination, don't we?

00:03:01.640 I mean, it used to mean you can't get the disease anymore if you're vaccinated.

00:03:06.980 What do you call it when you can get the disease,

00:03:09.640 even though you took the shot?

00:03:11.240 I'm not sure, but I don't think it's really honest to say you're vaccinated.

00:03:16.220 Saskatchewan is actually on to its fourth dose now in one calendar year.

00:03:21.780 Four doses in a year?

00:03:24.240 And just to remind you, Trudeau has gone ahead and signed a deal with Pfizer

00:03:27.660 for literally hundreds of millions more doses for years to come.

00:03:34.060 It works out to about 10 for every man, woman, and child.

00:03:36.760 While more and more Canadians are getting vaccinated right now,

00:03:39.940 it's also important to plan ahead for the future.

00:03:44.020 We've reached an agreement with Pfizer for 35 million booster doses for next year

00:03:50.060 and 30 million in the year after.

00:03:53.300 This deal includes options to add 30 million doses in both 2022 and 2023,

00:03:59.580 and an option for 60 million doses in 2024.

00:04:04.460 Pfizer has been a solid partner for Canada in this fight against COVID-19,

00:04:09.160 and we're happy to be one of the first countries to secure an agreement with them going forward.

00:04:15.240 These boosters will be the latest version of the Pfizer vaccine based on research and testing,

00:04:20.600 and they will help us keep the virus under control.

00:04:24.640 And the work doesn't end there either.

00:04:26.760 We're on ongoing discussions with other vaccine manufacturers about their plans for booster shots.

00:04:32.000 But that's not what's so crazy about this tweet.

00:04:35.600 What you probably detected, the crazy part, let's just take a look at it again here.

00:04:42.400 Your risk from COVID-19 is not determined by age, fitness level, or community.

00:04:48.320 Your risk is determined by vaccine status.

00:04:51.820 Yeah, that ain't right.

00:04:52.820 Unfortunately, we've known that since very early in the disease.

00:04:57.480 It's a disease of the old.

00:04:59.620 It's a disease of the fat.

00:05:02.440 It's a disease of the already sick, people who have an underlying comorbidity. 0.99

00:05:07.600 That means they had an existing sickness like heart failure, kidney failure, Alzheimer's.

00:05:12.980 I mean, serious stuff like that.

00:05:14.440 And in Canada, it's unfortunately a disease of nursing home patients because there are euthanasia orders in many nursing homes, especially in Quebec.

00:05:25.100 That's why half of the deceased in the first year were from nursing homes in Quebec, which has just 25% of the population.

00:05:32.220 But they had half the deaths because the Quebec government and their nursing homes and inpatient children were happy to use the pandemic as an excuse to say goodbye to grandparents.

00:05:42.220 That's not my opinion.

00:05:43.320 And that's what the provincial inquiry into nursing home deaths found.

00:05:48.540 You'd have to be willfully blind to not know that this is a virus of the old.

00:05:55.000 Saskatchewan has purged its public websites of their age-related information.

00:05:59.880 I guess it wasn't scary enough to anyone under the age of 70.

00:06:03.660 Toronto used to have the same information online.

00:06:06.260 They changed their website last year, too, so you can't really see how bad it really is.

00:06:10.840 They talk about cases.

00:06:11.860 Alberta is one of the few places that continues to publish details like, you know, the fact that the average age of people who died from the disease is around 80.

00:06:25.040 So half the cases are 80 and higher in age.

00:06:29.960 I don't know if you can understand this strange graph of dots, but it's from the Alberta government website.

00:06:35.500 Old people get sick. 1.00

00:06:36.640 Even older people go to the intensive care unit.

00:06:39.680 And the oldest people in society occasionally die from this disease.

00:06:43.260 Every death is a source of grief.

00:06:45.440 Someone who is 80 wants to live to 81.

00:06:47.840 Someone who's 90 wants to live to be 91.

00:06:50.420 I do think we can say as a society that if we have to choose, it's better to have a disease that takes you at the twilight of your life rather than the dawn of your life.

00:06:59.600 But that's a matter of opinion and morality.

00:07:01.400 Obviously, what the Saskatchewan Health Authority said was not a matter of opinion.

00:07:05.720 They stated as a fact.

00:07:07.480 Well, let me read it to you again.

00:07:10.100 They said your risk from COVID-19 is not determined by age, fitness level, or community.

00:07:15.160 Your risk is determined by vaccine status.

00:07:18.760 I'm sorry.

00:07:19.200 That's a lie.

00:07:19.840 That's disinformation.

00:07:20.780 Coming from a government bureaucracy, that means it's propaganda.

00:07:24.240 That undermines trust in all health authorities, especially Saskatchewan.

00:07:28.460 So it undermines trust in this whole thing we're in.

00:07:31.940 Why would they do that?

00:07:34.840 Let me read that again.

00:07:36.120 I mean, if you scroll down, scroll down a little bit.

00:07:38.480 Do you see that little note in blue there under the tweet?

00:07:41.540 Who can reply?

00:07:43.140 People SaskHealth mentioned can reply.

00:07:45.460 Well, they didn't mention anyone.

00:07:46.380 And so the government bureaucracy banned anyone from replying to that tweet.

00:07:52.220 Why would they do that?

00:07:54.360 They normally don't do that.

00:07:56.100 In fact, I've never seen them do that before.

00:07:58.000 Why did they ban people from talking about their tweet?

00:08:02.840 Well, they can't quite stop people from talking about it.

00:08:05.900 People can quote their tweet and comment on it.

00:08:09.080 Do you see that?

00:08:09.820 More than 4,300 people have done that.

00:08:12.560 That's an enormous number of people who are calling them out.

00:08:15.620 I don't think I've ever seen that before for something like a Saskatchewan government account.

00:08:21.000 So here at Rebel News, we filed an access to information request with the Saskatchewan

00:08:24.960 Health Authority asking for their behind-the-scenes notes about this tweet because it was a government

00:08:30.460 work product we're allowed to ask.

00:08:32.400 And we got the access to information request.

00:08:35.400 We'll put the whole document on our website so you can read it for yourself at leisure.

00:08:39.620 It's 23 pages long, and we put the whole thing on the website so you can take a look.

00:08:46.080 And the weird thing is we do 100 of these access to information requests a year, probably more.

00:08:51.720 And we just get them or we don't get them or we get them partially blacked out.

00:08:56.120 Usually they're delayed months or years.

00:08:57.700 So full credit to these guys for actually getting this to us within the time frame.

00:09:03.960 But it starts off with a defensive little letter to us about how hard it is to be them.

00:09:11.500 So SHA, just a reminder, stands for Saskatchewan Health Authority.

00:09:14.880 And here's what they wrote in their little document package to us.

00:09:18.080 Unfortunately, the SHA was forced to disband comments on Facebook in early September and

00:09:26.780 removed the ability to reply to SHA tweets and have set up an auto-response on direct messages

00:09:32.480 with staff told to ignore abusive messages because of the visceral and threatening nature

00:09:38.060 of comments directed towards those monitoring and running the channels.

00:09:42.640 Abuse has included swearing, threats, etc.

00:09:44.740 This ongoing abuse has resulted in sick leave for our employees.

00:09:50.380 And we have had to ensure conscious breaks in their schedule to get away from what they

00:09:56.140 experience daily.

00:09:59.200 So you're taking sick leave because of a mean tweet.

00:10:04.040 I mean, I get mean tweets every second of every minute of every hour.

00:10:09.300 I either ignore them or I block them.

00:10:12.380 You know, there's a button on Twitter and a button on Facebook and a button on Instagram.

00:10:16.580 You don't have to take sick leave when you see a mean word.

00:10:20.860 You just push the button and that person's blocked forever.

00:10:23.020 But then again, I don't have a government job with the Saskatchewan Health Authority that

00:10:27.280 lets me take a day off because I saw someone disagree with me.

00:10:31.020 But hang on.

00:10:31.520 I already showed you they banned replies to their tweet.

00:10:37.560 They're just trying to get sympathy here.

00:10:39.200 They didn't get any replies.

00:10:40.700 They banned them.

00:10:41.200 By the way, I don't encourage threats.

00:10:43.620 But I also know that if someone really does make a threat, Twitter, Facebook, all of them,

00:10:48.300 they will suspend an abusive account immediately.

00:10:51.100 Immediately.

00:10:51.400 So call me skeptical about how abusive these were.

00:10:55.400 And of course, if there was any real threat, like a real threat, we'll give it to police.

00:11:01.220 Did they do that?

00:11:03.400 I don't know.

00:11:04.600 But we have submitted an access information request to find that out, too.

00:11:09.180 I'm a skeptic.

00:11:10.060 But let's start here.

00:11:12.040 Page 11 of the document.

00:11:13.160 Jason Vanstone, Ph.D., a research scientist who works for the Saskatchewan Health Authority,

00:11:19.120 as you can see in his email signature.

00:11:21.240 So he's part of their team.

00:11:22.760 And he's a little worried by their tweet.

00:11:26.500 He says, hey, folks, your recent tweet about risk from COVID-19 not being determined by age,

00:11:33.720 fitness level or community might be misleading, as it most certainly is.

00:11:38.340 Vaccine status is definitely part of it, but so are those other factors.

00:11:43.920 Might consider a revised tweet to highlight that vaccine status is one of the most important factors at this point,

00:11:50.440 but the others are still relevant, even for those fully vaccinated.

00:11:55.780 I think that's right.

00:11:57.040 I have my doubts about whether or not vaccines work in any meaningful long-term way.

00:12:02.260 Four shots in a year suggests they're not quite doing what they promised they would.

00:12:06.020 But for the sake of argument, let's say they have some positive effect.

00:12:09.720 But to say that that's more important to your risk as opposed to being fat or old or sick,

00:12:17.120 that's just a lie.

00:12:19.380 And their own in-house research Ph.D. told them so in a really friendly way.

00:12:25.840 So the reply from a bureaucrat whose name was hidden from us is, thanks for your note.

00:12:31.280 We didn't say anything we haven't said before,

00:12:33.320 although I can see his point that vaccination status is one major factor for determining risk of COVID infection,

00:12:39.900 along with others like age, bubble size, etc., etc., etc.

00:12:42.960 I have flagged for Michelle and we are discussing.

00:12:46.820 So the first line of defense is, okay, it's not true,

00:12:50.640 but we've told the lie before, so can't we do it again?

00:12:54.900 They feel entitled to say it again.

00:12:57.140 But even there, they admit in private that they were misleading.

00:13:01.480 Those other factors are important, even though they said they are not.

00:13:05.100 They lied.

00:13:06.140 But look at what the big boss, Krista Boychuk, says in reply.

00:13:10.820 The tweet stays.

00:13:12.240 Message was on point for what we have been trying to push.

00:13:15.840 And Twitter was not made for nuances.

00:13:18.020 I had checked with Tim.

00:13:20.220 Got it.

00:13:20.900 So they know they're wrong, but what can they do?

00:13:23.820 Twitter isn't made for nuances or things like truth and falsity.

00:13:28.380 It's all about saving face now and what they want to push,

00:13:32.020 even though their own expert says they're wrong.

00:13:36.820 I'll read some more.

00:13:37.740 They have what looks like a direct message exchange.

00:13:40.800 And again, they're hiding the name of the woman who wrote the lie.

00:13:44.220 I can understand why.

00:13:45.380 She says Twitter is on fire with people calling the Saskatchewan Health Authority liars,

00:13:51.820 making all sorts of claims to support that view.

00:13:54.260 In retrospect, I could have worded it differently, but Twitter is limited characters.

00:13:58.100 And I in no way did I anticipate the reaction I got.

00:14:01.740 So I didn't know someone would catch me on my lie.

00:14:03.960 So again, in private, they admit they are misleading people.

00:14:07.760 But hey, Twitter is short.

00:14:09.200 So, you know, when you have short messages, it's so much easier to lie.

00:14:15.180 Is that what they're saying?

00:14:16.560 Short messages naturally lend themselves to lying.

00:14:20.700 OK, I hadn't heard that one before.

00:14:23.660 Here's another internal message from someone else too ashamed to use their real name.

00:14:28.020 I'm stepping away because I'm getting very angry.

00:14:31.960 If you were asked about it, the tweet is not new information.

00:14:35.040 We've often said your risk is dependent on your vaccination status.

00:14:38.100 It just got the attention of the anti-vax conspiracy.

00:14:41.580 I hate everyone groups today.

00:14:44.240 No, no, no.

00:14:44.720 But it's not that people were upset that they were claiming vaccination status as a factor.

00:14:50.260 I think most people would agree it is.

00:14:51.820 I would too.

00:14:52.980 They said those other factors are not factors.

00:14:56.100 That's the lie.

00:14:56.940 They won't face up to their own lie.

00:14:59.720 And then someone else replied.

00:15:01.960 Don't worry about it and walk away from the channels.

00:15:06.480 They aren't worth your energy.

00:15:09.100 So she wrote the lie.

00:15:11.320 She admits it's not true.

00:15:12.620 She admits she could have phrased it better.

00:15:14.660 But she's the one who's angry at people, at voters, at taxpayers.

00:15:19.960 She's angry at the public. 0.96

00:15:21.900 And she's hiding her name from us because of insults. 1.00

00:15:24.680 But she calls other people crazies and conspiracy theorists.

00:15:29.740 Who?

00:15:30.080 Who, like that PhD who said they were wrong?

00:15:32.160 Is he a crazy conspiracy theorist?

00:15:33.540 Because they're not worth your energy.

00:15:36.800 Their only job is to pay taxes to support your cushy job. 1.00

00:15:40.660 You can see the whole chain of internal emails at, on the PDF document.

00:15:46.320 But this one was quite something.

00:15:48.920 This is the Michelle from that internal note.

00:15:52.160 As you can see from her LinkedIn page.

00:15:54.440 Her name is Michelle Bosair.

00:15:56.080 Whose LinkedIn bio says she is a long-time government bureaucrat who just happened to used to work for the CBC.

00:16:01.960 Well, at least we know where she gets her approach to fake news from. 0.96

00:16:05.520 She's the boss of all media for the Saskatchewan Health Authority, for the so-called conservative government.

00:16:10.580 Here's what she said in a staff email.

00:16:12.720 She said,

00:16:14.200 So this tweet igniting on social media, the main issue outside of the crazies, is that they feel vaccine status is not the only risk factor and that this is a misinformation propaganda.

00:16:25.560 I think it is fine.

00:16:27.660 And just angry people these days want to flag for you because we've even had staff chime in arguing that this is a main risk factor and not liking our wording.

00:16:36.700 It seems odd message to me.

00:16:38.320 But if the reaction rattled and then they hide her name and she is worried now she did something wrong so we can leave it or delete it.

00:16:46.600 I say we leave it.

00:16:48.380 I told her to walk away from the channels. 1.00

00:16:50.400 People are even more aggressive and mean than usual.

00:16:53.500 Got it. 0.98

00:16:54.040 The crazies.

00:16:56.040 They caught us saying something accurate. 0.99

00:16:57.580 Those crazies. 0.87

00:16:58.740 They say it's misinformation. 0.98

00:17:01.780 They're just being mean.

00:17:03.460 It's fine.

00:17:04.160 Leave it up.

00:17:04.580 And then Kim McKechnie weighs in yet another communications bureaucrat. 1.00

00:17:10.240 I swear they have more spin doctors than actual doctors at the schedule and health authority. 1.00

00:17:15.360 She says, I see no problem with it, but agree that walking away is best approach when people are being idiots. 1.00

00:17:23.880 They're idiots. 1.00

00:17:26.680 Here's some more. 1.00

00:17:27.480 Thank you.

00:17:28.180 This will make her feel better.

00:17:30.140 The trolls got to her today, which always gives me pause.

00:17:34.200 That's another bureaucrat saying that.

00:17:35.640 So their own PhD says they got their facts wrong.

00:17:41.780 The woman who wrote the fake news tweet admits she was wrong, should have worded it differently.

00:17:46.720 They all admit that.

00:17:48.840 They all acknowledge it's wrong to say that those other factors are not risk factors.

00:17:53.420 Of course they all know that.

00:17:54.460 But they can't bear to admit they're wrong. 1.00

00:17:57.420 They must stand by the lie because the people who criticize them are just idiots, crazy people, trolls, conspiracy theorists beneath them. 1.00

00:18:06.900 I mean, not their own PhD, but the other ones. 1.00

00:18:11.420 These are your public servants who live off your taxes.

00:18:17.000 The tweet is still up to this day.

00:18:19.640 Today.

00:18:20.320 Check it out for yourself.

00:18:21.260 Because the bureaucrats all agreed they couldn't lose face.

00:18:25.140 That was more important than fixing inaccurate advice to the public.

00:18:29.100 They actually stopped work that day because it was too mean.

00:18:32.720 Here's someone whose job is reading tweets, but she just wouldn't do it. 0.98

00:18:37.700 I am not reading them because it just makes me upset.

00:18:41.820 So Twitter is basically going on monitor today.

00:18:44.480 And her boss replies.

00:18:47.460 Yep, that is fine.

00:18:48.800 Ignore and don't worry about it.

00:18:50.040 I know it's brutal.

00:18:52.140 I'm sorry you're facing that. 1.00

00:18:54.100 Yeah, I'm sorry those people are such idiots and upset that you're lying to the public about the virus. 0.98

00:19:00.380 Could you imagine if a real company with real accountability just had its staff blame storm and call customers' names and refuse to fix a problem and take the day off because they were too proud to admit they got it wrong? 0.99

00:19:15.560 Could you imagine a real company being run that way?

00:19:19.220 And I'm not even talking about firing anyone or discipline.

00:19:23.540 But they won't even correct an error because they'd lose face.

00:19:27.840 Their largest tweet in history.

00:19:30.600 So the tweet just checked analytics.

00:19:33.160 And it has gone from 134,000 impressions yesterday at 3 p.m. to 3.67 million impressions a day later explains why notifications are so busy with vile reactions.

00:19:43.220 So that's 3.6 million people.

00:19:47.540 Are they all vile?

00:19:49.400 The 3.6 million people who saw this and couldn't believe the lie emanating from the government.

00:19:54.340 Are they all vile?

00:19:55.060 Well, so you're the only sane person.

00:19:58.820 You're the only good person.

00:20:00.180 You're the only polite person. 1.00

00:20:01.840 The other ones are vile, idiot, crazies, conspiracy theorists, mean. 1.00

00:20:06.240 Just a reminder, you can't believe a word the government says. 1.00

00:20:13.240 They don't believe it themselves.

00:20:17.480 They lie.

00:20:19.540 We know they lie.

00:20:22.260 They know that we know they lie.

00:20:25.940 And still they lie.

00:20:28.740 Stay with us for more.

00:20:32.780 What you think standards should look like for a trans woman competing in female athletics? 1.00

00:20:38.580 Yeah, I do have some thoughts.

00:20:40.300 I don't know if you're familiar, but the IOC recently released a new set of guidelines for inclusion on transgender and intersex athletes.

00:20:55.060 And I think the guidelines they set forward are very good and do a very good job of promoting inclusivity while keeping

00:21:08.380 competition integrity, where the IOC guidelines are going.

00:21:10.900 Where the IOC guidelines are that anyone, each sport basically has to come up with eligibility criteria for what constitutes an unfair advantage in that given sport.

00:21:31.520 And then everybody is able to compete in the category they're most comfortable with unless there's a proven unfair advantage that they have.

00:21:52.100 And this does a very good job of including trans women and not invading anybody's privacy or making anyone feel uncomfortable.

00:22:01.520 So, yeah, I think those guidelines are very good.

00:22:06.420 Well, just a couple of blokes talking about sports and keeping it fair.

00:22:10.340 Actually, the second fellow there doesn't go by his name his mama gave him, Will Thomas.

00:22:16.300 He's done three things just to change it up.

00:22:19.280 I don't know if you saw he's wearing some discreet earrings, but then again, a lot of fellows do.

00:22:24.520 I guess pirates have always worn earrings, but this guy's sporting some earrings.

00:22:29.360 He's got long hair and he changed his name from Will Thomas to Leah Thomas.

00:22:36.120 But if I didn't tell you that, you could be forgiven for thinking it was a couple of fellows talking about sport.

00:22:41.860 But the thing is, Will Thomas, I can't really use that dead name or I'll be in trouble with politically correct, but Leah Thomas competed for the University of Pennsylvania in a 1650 meter swimming race.

00:23:00.620 It's a very long race and he won by 38 seconds ahead of the second place contender who was a biological woman.

00:23:13.880 He's smashing records around America, new records, but not as a man, as a trans woman.

00:23:22.240 And joining us now to talk about this, our friend Barbara Kay, columnist for National Post, Western Standard Online and Apoch Times.

00:23:28.080 Barbara, I'm not trying to be mean, but if you did not know that that second person, I'm going to stop saying fella or bloke.

00:23:37.700 If you didn't know that second person there was a trans woman, you would just say, OK, it's a guy with long hair and earrings.

00:23:45.640 That's not rare these days. You would not even think for a second that was a woman.

00:23:50.320 And yet he just is crushing all these female athletes in competition, isn't he?

00:23:56.780 He does. I mean, Leah Thomas does look very masculine, sounds very masculine, doesn't seem to have made a great effort to represent herself as stereotypically feminine, but doesn't have to anymore.

00:24:14.020 According to the rules, you just have to self-identify he could have a beard and, you know, I mean, he could he could look like any other man and it wouldn't matter as long as he says the magic words I self-identify as female.

00:24:31.980 And yes, he's coming very close to the all time records in female and women's swimming within a fraction or two of beating the all time best records.

00:24:45.180 He is he's just smashing. The other women are very discouraged and very they feel humiliated as well.

00:24:53.440 They should. The 38 seconds in swimming is three laps and it's it's it might as well be another sport altogether.

00:25:03.500 A couple of the things that he said in the interview about as long as you don't have an unfair advantage,

00:25:08.960 I think his own record as a male swimmer where he did OK, he was quite successful, but didn't set, you know,

00:25:17.260 he didn't set any records on fire or he didn't come close to to any records.

00:25:22.300 The fact that that is his record as a male swimmer against what he's doing now in the women's division is proof of an unfair advantage.

00:25:32.160 And the other thing he said, he used the word integrity, that you can have both fairness and integrity.

00:25:37.800 You can't because in order to be fair, there has to be a women's division that really is about biological women. 1.00

00:25:46.180 And the third thing he said is, you know, these rules are made not to fake anyone feel uncomfortable.

00:25:51.480 Well, he makes everybody feel uncomfortable, Ezra, to the point that and I was glad to know this to the point that when he finished that 1650 freestyle and touched the edge of the pool,

00:26:05.540 that's usually the time when the crowd erupts into applause and there was dead silence.

00:26:11.500 And that tells you everything you need to know about how this fiasco is being perceived by ordinary people who are attending these meets and want to see some fair competition.

00:26:25.600 So the fact that nobody organized this protest, I mean, it is like a protest if you don't clap.

00:26:31.620 And the fact that nobody organized it, but it was a kind of a collective response, everybody felt they just couldn't clap.

00:26:40.220 Then they erupted into applause when the real winner, the first woman came in. 1.00

00:26:45.440 That tells you everything about how ordinary people are viewing this situation.

00:26:50.560 I'm kind of happy about that because it seems to me like a kind of tipping point where people just are not accepting this anymore.

00:26:57.280 And they're saying, look, this is too crazy.

00:27:00.740 Something has to be done.

00:27:02.820 Well, I have neglected to remind our viewers that you were the co-author with Linda Blade of the book Unsporting,

00:27:10.100 how trans activism and science denial are destroying sport.

00:27:14.180 And the cover of that book, you know, is actually an artistic representation of a weightlifting event where a young woman has young women work their whole lives,

00:27:28.100 train their hearts out and they're pushed off the podium by some bloke who couldn't hack it in the men's league.

00:27:35.720 So comes in and sort of grabs it from the kids.

00:27:38.500 It's it's you can't even refer to satire five years ago anymore because it it's not funny anymore.

00:27:46.180 I mean, South Park had Randy, the macho man, savage in as a transgender woman. 1.00

00:27:52.180 But even before that, I mean, 20 years ago, Kramer from Seinfeld.

00:27:57.560 It was a joke that he went and competed Taekwondo against little kids.

00:28:03.320 Now, it was hilarious because he was so proud that he beat these kids.

00:28:08.300 And I mean, but he's Kramer. 1.00

00:28:10.720 He's an idiot. 1.00

00:28:11.580 It was a comedy. 1.00

00:28:13.280 But that's not even funny anymore because here you've got a Kramer character who looks just as masculine and out of place as Kramer did fighting those kids.

00:28:23.540 But he's dead serious.

00:28:25.400 Like he's not saying there's no punchline.

00:28:27.800 There's no pause and then.

00:28:29.440 But he's bloody serious.

00:28:31.900 So when you say, Barbara, that that maybe this is a turning point, I say, who's going to turn it around?

00:28:38.160 Like there is no institution within sport of the Olympics themselves.

00:28:42.120 Not clapping says a message.

00:28:44.440 But if anyone were actually to speak out, they would probably be cast out of the competition as being unsportsmanlike.

00:28:52.820 This unsportsmanlike bloke steals gold.

00:28:57.160 And if you were to boo him, you would be kicked out for unsportsmanship.

00:29:01.780 I'm sure of it.

00:29:02.480 The athletes themselves, if they had protested, say, six months ago or walked out or, you know, refused to compete again, you're right.

00:29:13.120 They would have been.

00:29:14.120 But this is the first time I've seen as well, in addition to people not clapping, this is the first time I'm reading about women competitors in at University of Pennsylvania who are talking.

00:29:25.920 And some of them are saying they're very upset about this.

00:29:30.240 So I think that's changing, too.

00:29:32.280 I think some of the swimmers, they're upset with their coach who one of the one of the girls on the team said when asked about the coach's reaction, said our coach just likes winning.

00:29:45.280 So if the coach is prepared to go through this charade in order to win, then, you know, boo on him, too.

00:29:53.740 But the IOC, in their latest, you know, in their last declaration or statement, they kind of left the door open.

00:30:00.660 They recognized themselves that lowering testosterone alone, which had been their only, the only thing you had to do, is not sufficient.

00:30:11.820 They said it was unfit for purpose, that policy, because it's very clear that lowering, Thomas did have to lower his testosterone by a certain percentage in order to compete in the women's division.

00:30:23.800 But he's only 2% off his time as a male swimmer.

00:30:28.840 But as we see, as a male swimmer, he was good, but not a celebrity, because most, at that level, at elite swimmers levels, he was not an outstanding male swimmer.

00:30:42.580 Now, 2% less testosterone, he's a supernova in the women's division. 1.00

00:30:47.840 So that's proof that testosterone alone is meaningless, because he still has the muscle mass, the strength, the longer bones, the bigger lungs.

00:30:57.500 There's like, you know, 15 different attributes that post-puberty males have, and nothing about that changes just by lowering testosterone.

00:31:06.740 We're hearing all kinds of, the UK Council has made a report, and coincidentally, and very fortunately, the Macdonald-Laurier Institute here in Canada has just, by a happy coincidence, put out a report.

00:31:22.920 I'll be writing about it for my column in the National Post this week.

00:31:26.080 They have put out a report called Fair Game, and it's on this issue, and they have recognized physicians, ethicists, people who are expert in sport, who have looked at the subject very closely,

00:31:44.440 and they've come to the conclusion that the male advantage in sport, there's all kinds of graphs.

00:31:48.680 It runs from 10% up to 150%.

00:31:52.740 A man's ability to punch is 150 times stronger than a woman's, so that kind of an advantage in, you know, or lifting, power lifting. 1.00

00:32:05.540 So there's no question about it, and even the heads of the sports associations are saying,

00:32:11.060 well, even if there is a male advantage, the principle of inclusivity is more important.

00:32:19.760 Our Canadian Centre for Ethics in Sport, the head of that association, who sets the rules for Canada, the guidelines for Canadian athletes,

00:32:28.480 he said, Paul Melia, he said, inclusivity is more important, and even if there's a male advantage,

00:32:38.040 inclusivity is so much more important that we have to change the nature of sport to accommodate that.

00:32:45.380 That's just absurd, because what he really means is women have to suck it up in order that these biological males can feel included.

00:32:53.800 That's just unfair and unethical.

00:32:57.440 So the Macdonald-Laurier Institute report, they are advocating for a protected women's division and an open division.

00:33:08.880 And in the open division, it can be men, or it can be women who identify as men,

00:33:13.360 or women who don't identify as men but want to compete against men if that's what they want to do.

00:33:18.680 And I think that's the only fair way you're going to get everybody to find their place in sport.

00:33:30.780 Nobody can guarantee you, you can be guaranteed participation in sport,

00:33:36.240 but you can't dictate the categories in which you deserve to be slotted.

00:33:42.180 In order to be fair, we have to decide those objectively.

00:33:45.800 Yeah, I mean, we've talked about this before, you're trying to control all other variables,

00:33:50.680 so the competition is like versus like.

00:33:53.080 It's the same reason why you have a heavyweight boxing division as opposed to a flyweight.

00:33:59.500 I mean, if you have two guys each who weigh 140 pounds, that's a great fight.

00:34:05.000 If another guy weighs 250 pounds versus 140 pounds, that's not sport anymore.

00:34:10.700 It's just not enjoyable.

00:34:12.360 We cringe, we feel like something terrible is happening, and it's because it's the opposite of sports.

00:34:20.120 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

00:34:21.640 And people say, oh, look at Michael Phelps.

00:34:25.220 He had an advantage as a swimmer.

00:34:26.760 You know, he won all those gold medals.

00:34:28.460 He was just an incredible Olympic swimmer, Michael Phelps.

00:34:31.220 And he had this unusual wingspan, and he had feet, you know, big like flippers.

00:34:36.680 But still, he was still competing within a category in which it's still the male category.

00:34:44.940 And anyone else could have taken him on.

00:34:48.440 You can always opt into a harder league.

00:34:50.980 The idea of opting into an easier league is the definition of unsportsmanship.

00:34:55.660 You know, affirmative action is something that I've wrestled with as a conservative and a libertarian.

00:35:02.080 I don't like it.

00:35:02.880 When you lower standards to help someone out who, you know, is weaker for some reason, who needs the help.

00:35:10.460 But this is the opposite.

00:35:11.960 You're changing the standards not for a weaker person, but for a stronger person. 0.85

00:35:18.580 You're letting a stronger predator, and I'm not saying he's a sexual predator.

00:35:22.580 I'm saying he wants his gold medals, and he can't get them on his own.

00:35:26.920 So they're lowering the standards.

00:35:28.860 Sorry, they're not lowering them.

00:35:30.620 They're changing the key standards so he gets to beat up.

00:35:35.280 And I say beat up.

00:35:36.540 Take a look at this video of, you know, seeing mixed martial arts of men, biological men, pounding women. 0.72

00:35:45.340 Sorry, that is not sport.

00:35:46.680 I mean, we're used to brutality in mixed martial arts.

00:35:49.600 That's awful.

00:35:50.360 Let me throw one thing at you.

00:35:51.500 I mean, we have this comment.

00:35:52.560 We talk about this from time to time.

00:35:54.160 I'm so glad we do.

00:35:55.440 But it made me think of the 1961 short story by Kurt Vonnegut called Harrison Bergeron.

00:36:01.280 I don't know if you remember that story, Barbara.

00:36:03.120 It was set like about 50 years in the future from now.

00:36:06.840 And it was, everyone was extreme equality.

00:36:10.900 So strong people had to be weighed down.

00:36:14.780 Smart people had to have a gong go off in their ear every few minutes to distract them from a thought.

00:36:21.720 Beautiful people had to wear a mask. 1.00

00:36:25.220 It's an incredible story, very short story, called Harrison Bergeron, Kurt Vonnegut.

00:36:29.840 And the beautiful moment was when Harrison Bergeron threw off the weights that were holding him down.

00:36:39.240 And the beautiful ballerina took off her mask. 1.00

00:36:42.520 And just for a moment, they danced and it was beautiful.

00:36:46.020 And then the state crushed them.

00:36:47.800 It's a great little story.

00:36:49.780 But Kurt Vonnegut, who wrote this in 1961, was thinking that's what happens when we try and make everyone exactly the same. 0.99

00:36:57.400 But it was about making pretty people ugly and strong people weak and smart people dumb.

00:37:05.720 That's what he thought the rules would be like in the year 2081 or whatever. 0.93

00:37:11.620 But we have done something that even he, in his dystopian imagination, could not imagine.

00:37:18.420 Bringing in a brute to crush the weak.

00:37:22.880 Even Kurt Vonnegut could not imagine that, Barbara.

00:37:26.200 Yeah, you know, that's a very good point, Ezra.

00:37:29.600 I hadn't considered that.

00:37:30.900 It's true.

00:37:31.600 It's like reverse affirmative action.

00:37:34.720 Because that's true.

00:37:36.020 Affirmative action is supposed to help the disadvantaged be able to share a platform with those that are naturally more advantaged, more privileged.

00:37:45.780 And here we're taking a privileged person and putting them into the arena with the disadvantaged and saying, this privileged person needs to feel included.

00:38:00.180 So suck it up, you disadvantaged people. 1.00

00:38:04.160 They're taking a social element.

00:38:06.480 They're taking what is a social value.

00:38:09.540 Yes, trans people should feel included in the general life of society.

00:38:14.860 And they're transmogrifying it into a principle that with categories that are biological by nature and saying, well, this social principle now has to be translated into physical terms.

00:38:31.660 So the one doesn't belong with the other.

00:38:34.680 It's a completely separate idea.

00:38:37.960 Sport is made for why do we have these divisions in the first place?

00:38:44.700 If there was no particular advantage, then it would just be open sport.

00:38:48.720 So there's no argument they can make.

00:38:52.880 There's no philosophical argument.

00:38:54.400 There's no biological argument they can make that in any way makes what they're doing fair.

00:39:00.420 And finally, they're just saying, you know what?

00:39:02.340 We don't care if it's not fair.

00:39:04.020 We want we want trans people to feel good about themselves.

00:39:08.200 And we don't care what price is paid by other people in order for that to happen.

00:39:14.060 You know, let me I enjoy these conversations and we always go longer than than I think we would.

00:39:19.660 But I just love hearing what you have to say.

00:39:22.020 I want to share with you a male thought, because I think there's some things only women think of and some things only guys think of.

00:39:29.020 I mean, for example, when when a man sees in another man being a male feminist, it immediately rubs the guy the wrong way because he says, I see the trick you're doing.

00:39:40.320 You're trying to trick this woman by using this false language of feminism to get her guard. 1.00

00:39:46.920 Like, I just think that men, both men and women see male feminists. 0.86

00:39:52.360 Some women are enthralled by it, but almost universally, other men say you're a trickster.

00:40:00.300 I know what you're doing.

00:40:01.740 There's a revulsion. 0.93

00:40:02.900 I think it's why men dislike Justin Trudeau more than women do, because they say you're a scammer.

00:40:08.120 I see your moves.

00:40:09.100 You're you're a player.

00:40:11.380 And let me give you a masculine reaction to that video we saw at the beginning.

00:40:16.040 Maybe you tell me if you had the same feeling.

00:40:19.900 But my first reaction was.

00:40:23.680 You have swallowed your pride and dignity, not becoming a trans woman. 1.00

00:40:29.760 That's fine. 0.72

00:40:30.500 That's who you are.

00:40:31.740 Go to it.

00:40:33.600 But.

00:40:34.700 To win, you've you are speaking with great pride and confidence and arrogance, but you know that it is a false prize.

00:40:45.480 You've won because every man looks at that guy and no one's saying you can't express yourself or identify the way you want.

00:40:53.340 But every it's it's like if Kramer was serious about Taekwondo against the kids, you'd say, what kind of man are you?

00:41:02.520 Who would redefine that as a courageous, moral, sporting victory?

00:41:10.380 He's degraded himself.

00:41:12.120 I'm not talking about his sexuality.

00:41:14.020 I'm talking about that.

00:41:15.700 He is so insistent that that is a win for him to be proud of.

00:41:21.540 And not just that.

00:41:22.680 You must be proud of it, too.

00:41:24.760 You must say that's a win.

00:41:27.280 You must affirm the fact that he gave up.

00:41:31.200 He quit trying to beat the guys.

00:41:34.080 And he said, well, I'll bloody well win somehow.

00:41:38.100 I'm going to go to a kids league, women's league, whatever he did.

00:41:42.520 And for him to then with a straight face say, I am a great sportsman.

00:41:46.840 I think that's what get guys to say you are lying to us about who you are.

00:41:52.700 And I'm not even talking about your sexuality now, bro.

00:41:55.580 I'm talking about the fact that you're pretending that you're proud of this. 0.94

00:41:59.360 You know, you're stealing.

00:42:00.660 That's my masculine reaction.

00:42:02.500 And not a word of it has to do with sexuality.

00:42:04.840 You know what?

00:42:05.660 I love this part of our conversation, Ezra.

00:42:08.340 I love it.

00:42:09.280 Because what you're saying is so great.

00:42:13.820 I think a lot of women, I too feel a lot of what you're feeling. 0.97

00:42:18.500 But that's because I'm trying to think as a totally objective observer here.

00:42:23.100 But what's happened with this whole movement is that women, a lot of women, because they 1.00

00:42:32.360 have been trained to be nurturing and kind and to make other women feel included, they

00:42:40.820 drank the Kool-Aid and they are primed to feel, well, it's our job to welcome them.

00:42:48.500 This woman into our ranks and not to listen to that voice that's saying imposter, imposter. 1.00

00:42:59.380 But what I love, what you said, Ezra, I loved what you said is because as a person who's

00:43:07.460 trans and let's let's buy for a moment the fact that he's really gender dysphoric and he

00:43:12.000 really does believe he's a woman.

00:43:14.520 He had a lot of years as a man to know how a man thinks and he had a lot of years as

00:43:21.880 a male swimmer to know that it would have been wrong for him to swim in the women's

00:43:26.620 division.

00:43:27.600 You can't tell me that in the last three years or the last two years since he decided

00:43:33.160 that he was a woman that he forgot what it would be like for a woman or for a man to do

00:43:41.600 that to a woman. 0.99

00:43:42.740 So somewhere in his head, he knows that even if he thinks he's a woman, that he should not

00:43:52.740 be doing what he's doing and that it's no win and there's no courage and there's no reason

00:43:59.600 to celebrate.

00:44:00.820 But he must have a hide like a rhinoceros to be able to put it out there that he just, you

00:44:08.220 know, there was this big win going on.

00:44:10.940 So thank you for saying what you did as a man.

00:44:15.460 And I wish other men were out there saying the same thing.

00:44:19.200 I think it would help women, would give women the courage to say, well, thank you.

00:44:25.560 OK, so I'm not crazy and I'm not wrong and I I'm not being bigoted or transphobic if I

00:44:32.920 say that this person should know better than to do what they're doing.

00:44:38.240 Well, listen, I love our conversations.

00:44:40.680 I look forward to the next one.

00:44:42.480 It's nice of you to spend so much time with us today, folks.

00:44:44.680 If you don't have a copy of it yet, the book co-authored with Barbara Kay and Linda Blade

00:44:49.460 is called Unsporting.

00:44:51.620 I read that book.

00:44:52.820 I learned so much.

00:44:54.040 I thought I knew this subject.

00:44:55.660 Boy, did I learn very interesting things.

00:44:58.580 And and I really recommend the book Unsporting and of course, you can read Barbara Kay in

00:45:03.220 the National Post, the Epoch Times and Western Standard Online.

00:45:07.840 Take care, my friend.

00:45:08.540 Nice to see you.

00:45:09.920 Nice to see you, too, Ezra.

00:45:11.240 Thanks for having me on.

00:45:12.280 Right on.

00:45:12.680 Our pleasure.

00:45:13.260 Stay with us.

00:45:14.000 More ahead.

00:45:22.820 Hey, welcome back.

00:45:23.740 Your feedback. 0.97

00:45:24.380 Silvio says complaining about Twitter is dumb.

00:45:28.280 Getting off Twitter and going to new platforms is the way. 0.91

00:45:31.840 OK, I hear what you're saying.

00:45:33.260 But look, hundreds of millions of people use Twitter and it's the communications tool of

00:45:39.300 choice for the political class, for the corporate class, at least in Canada, United States, UK,

00:45:44.860 Australia.

00:45:46.180 You can go to a self-selected conservative social media outlet and we are on a couple of

00:45:52.980 them, but then you're just talking to an echo chamber.

00:45:57.140 And listen, I want to talk to our side, too.

00:46:00.440 I want to give them arguments and give them encouragement.

00:46:03.500 But the whole point here is to change people's minds.

00:46:06.500 If we're pushed out of the public square, if we're not allowed in the main debate, we're

00:46:11.660 really being marginalized in society.

00:46:15.860 Canuckster says CBC, Global News, CTV, the list is endless.

00:46:19.900 They all say they do not have an agenda.

00:46:21.820 It's like saying Stalin or Mao had their citizens' best interest at heart.

00:46:26.620 Well, of course, I wouldn't compare the media party with Stalin and Mao. 0.96

00:46:29.720 They are literally murderers.

00:46:31.960 But we can see that I think it's possible to see how the media of the 30s and 40s in

00:46:41.000 Germany could have gone along with things.

00:46:43.640 I mean, we look back in history.

00:46:45.440 We know how it started.

00:46:46.500 We know the middle.

00:46:47.060 We know the end so we can take it all in one big box.

00:46:51.400 What happened in the Holocaust?

00:46:52.780 What happened in the Second World War?

00:46:54.240 We know how the story ended.

00:46:55.780 But when you were going through it, did you know in 1933 what would happen in 35?

00:47:00.060 What would happen in 38 and 39?

00:47:01.480 You didn't know.

00:47:02.660 And, you know, the old saying about boiling a frog slowly.

00:47:05.540 You put a throw.

00:47:06.360 This is just a metaphor.

00:47:08.920 Obviously, you would never do this.

00:47:10.580 But you put a frog in boiling water.

00:47:12.580 It hops right out.

00:47:13.580 But you put it in water and slowly heat it.

00:47:15.560 I hope no one's ever tried this.

00:47:17.460 But I can imagine the frog slowly boils alive.

00:47:20.420 If you have that incremental change, you don't notice it.

00:47:23.440 And we have that incremental change in Canada.

00:47:25.580 I mean, who would have thought five years ago that 99% of the journalists in this country

00:47:29.540 would be on Trudeau's payroll?

00:47:32.480 A. Todasso said, just watch the Epstein documentary on Netflix.

00:47:38.140 A lot of people need to pay for this.

00:47:40.520 It needs to go way up the chain.

00:47:42.520 Lifetime sentences and media plastering of their faces for what they did.

00:47:46.900 Yeah, that's a good idea.

00:47:48.180 But the problem is the prosecutor is James Comey's daughter.

00:47:51.440 And the judge is a Democrat appointee.

00:47:53.920 Heck, why don't you just have Bill Clinton himself preside over things? 1.00

00:47:57.480 All the names, all the details are being hidden by the prosecutor.

00:48:03.000 All the photos.

00:48:05.020 All thousands of digital images not coming out in the trial.

00:48:09.400 It's a stitch-up.

00:48:10.780 It's an inside job.

00:48:13.640 Well, my friends, that's the show for today.

00:48:15.380 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:48:18.840 to you at home, good night.

00:48:20.520 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:48:21.580 And let me leave you with our video of the day.

00:48:23.200 Today, protesters gathering outside the Australian embassy in Vancouver

00:48:27.620 to march for freedom down under.

00:48:30.400 Isn't that interesting?

00:48:31.360 Take a look at this.

00:48:32.300 See you later.

00:48:33.200 I feel like they're the canary in the coal mine

00:48:35.400 for the liberties that we're likely to lose next in Canada.

00:48:39.280 So we want to show our support for the Australian people as well as warn our fellow Canadians

00:48:46.640 that, hey, listen, if they're setting up detention centres for people who are unvaccinated

00:48:51.460 or whatever it may be in Australia, I'm fearful that those sorts of things could happen here too.

00:48:57.600 And we've got to say no.

00:48:59.160 Tyrannical governments have no place in our modern society right now. 0.84

00:49:03.580 If we don't stand up now, Canada is right on, Canada is following in those footsteps very, very quickly.

00:49:10.660 We both just lost our jobs.

00:49:13.200 We don't know what we will do for work because, you know,

00:49:16.740 Bonnie Henry just decided that we don't need to work if we're not vaccinated

00:49:22.720 and I can't with good conscience just to go with it.

00:49:28.200 And SOS is being sent out from Australia.

00:49:31.080 I'm standing right across from the office for the Australian Embassy in Vancouver

00:49:36.720 because there's people here gathered to stand up for the freedom of those down under.

00:49:45.720 Drea Humphrey here standing in Vancouver, B.C. at 1075 West Georgia Street.

00:49:51.760 Now, generally, when I cover protests about crazy, inhumane things happening in other countries

00:49:57.860 that gets people together in Canada, it's about countries like China

00:50:02.640 because of genocide to Muslim Uyghurs or the attack on sovereignty for Taiwan.

00:50:09.940 But today is different.

00:50:11.360 Behind me, you see about 100 people who have come here to stand up for the freedoms of those in Australia,

00:50:18.340 a so-called free and democratic country,

00:50:20.880 one of the G7s.

00:50:22.680 We're going to talk to these protesters today,

00:50:24.620 but in case you're new to Rebel News and you haven't seen some of the amazing footage

00:50:29.100 that my colleague, Avi Imeni, has done outside of Australia,

00:50:33.300 take a look at why they need our help.

00:50:35.600 As we were leaving one of the scenes,

00:50:37.820 a police officer violently pushes a, from the distance,

00:50:44.420 look like a 70-year-old woman. 1.00

00:50:46.780 And as she's on the ground, they spray her with pepper spray.

00:50:52.940 You can see in the beginning, she was no threat to anyone.

00:50:56.580 I lost my job.

00:50:58.280 You guys have your job.

00:50:59.660 And you're arresting kids.

00:51:01.000 Are you kidding me?

00:51:02.620 What's happening? 0.99

00:51:03.480 I'm f***ing some little girl, these f***ing heroes. 0.99

00:51:06.220 My mate, we're sitting on top of the bus stop, 0.99

00:51:08.660 and then they're like, get down.

00:51:09.880 We get down, say, yeah, we'll do that, fine.

00:51:12.200 Three of the cops start grabbing and groping my mate, 0.93

00:51:14.960 saying she's arrested.

00:51:15.860 There's two little girls just sitting up on the bus stop. 1.00

00:51:23.080 The cops come along, they hop down, 0.98

00:51:25.560 and then they decided to bust the crap out of them. 0.98

00:51:28.260 Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame! 0.99

00:51:33.480 One of our cameras actually captured the moment

00:51:36.280 where the young lady was walking around 0.60

00:51:38.660 looking for her friend that was just arrested. 0.97

00:51:41.340 And a cop goes full f***ing, he shoves me on the floor, 0.84

00:51:44.920 and no-one, no-one will ever hold a mechanical ball. 0.97

00:51:52.860 Get out. Go. Go. Go. Go.

00:51:56.900 Hold on. Stay here. Stay here.

00:51:59.700 Get out of here now. Get out of here now. 1.00

00:52:02.580 Get out of here. Get out of here. 1.00

00:52:04.360 I didn't do it anymore. Come on. Come with us.

00:52:06.620 Come with us. Come out of here. Come out of here.

00:52:09.380 We're going to move on.

00:52:10.540 Get out of here now.

00:52:12.120 Don't grab me, mate. I didn't do anything wrong.

00:52:14.100 Don't grab me. I didn't do anything wrong.

00:52:15.700 You're sorting it right.

00:52:16.560 I'm out of here.

00:52:17.100 You're sorting it right.

00:52:18.600 Of course, I'm going to keep moving out of here.

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00:52:55.000 The protesters are now walking up the Robson Street

00:53:05.880 going around the downtown area.

00:53:08.420 If you haven't been following what's going on in Australia,

00:53:11.600 again, we've covered it closely at Rebel News,

00:53:14.020 but some of the crazy things happening out there

00:53:16.320 are even talks about putting unvaccinated people

00:53:19.940 into camps this coming spring.

00:53:22.780 Take a look at this.

00:53:23.680 The quarantine facility that you announced

00:53:27.120 that will be built, I think, what, in the middle of next year.

00:53:29.940 Do you still need that?

00:53:31.540 I think regional quarantine facilities

00:53:33.320 are going to be needed into the future.

00:53:35.320 We'll also need it for unvaccinated people.

00:53:38.620 Unvaccinated people.

00:53:40.240 Unvaccinated people.

00:53:41.680 If talk of putting healthy asymptomatic people 1.00

00:53:44.360 into camps isn't crazy enough,

00:53:46.780 also the pandemic powers bill that just got passed

00:53:50.120 is an eye-opener.

00:53:51.520 It gives the premier Dan Andrews dictatorship-like powers.

00:53:56.900 He's able to declare a pandemic.

00:53:59.480 This isn't a doctor, guys.

00:54:00.880 This isn't someone trained in it.

00:54:02.680 He can declare a pandemic and then rule over the people,

00:54:06.820 making rules and passing laws like no tomorrow.

00:54:09.780 That's why we have a petition that you can go stand against this and sign.

00:54:15.300 We have delivered our petition with over 125,000 signatures

00:54:20.580 demanding that the governor does not stamp the bill.

00:54:25.760 This is Clayton Wellwood, the president of the B.C. Libertarians.

00:54:29.120 Why was it important for you to come to this protest today?

00:54:31.300 Well, we try to come out to these sorts of events whenever we can,

00:54:35.340 anything that's pro-freedom.

00:54:37.260 Specifically with Australia, though,

00:54:39.460 it's a country that's so similar in governance structure and culture to our own

00:54:44.260 that I feel like they're the canary in the coal mine

00:54:46.940 for the liberties that we're likely to lose next in Canada.

00:54:50.820 So we want to show our support for the Australian people

00:54:54.560 as well as, you know, warn our fellow Canadians that,

00:54:58.940 hey, listen, if they're setting up detention centres

00:55:01.040 for people who are unvaccinated or whatever it may be in Australia,

00:55:05.500 I'm fearful that those sorts of things could happen here too.

00:55:09.120 And we've got to say no.

00:55:11.060 We're setting up for Australian people that are being treated like very mean

00:55:15.680 by their own government.

00:55:17.600 What do you think about that bill that just got passed

00:55:19.900 that gave all that power to Premier Dan Andrews? 0.98

00:55:24.400 Ridiculous. 0.95

00:55:25.160 Tyrannical governments have no place in our modern society right now. 0.98

00:55:29.560 And there's talk of camps there.

00:55:31.740 I forget what they worded there,

00:55:33.120 but basically they've been building these facilities,

00:55:35.900 and they say that even unvaccinated in one province

00:55:39.440 might be ending up in those camps.

00:55:41.960 Well, it looks like their history is repeating itself,

00:55:44.840 and we're going to stand up and be the resistance to that

00:55:47.620 in every way possible.

00:55:49.020 And we're asking everybody worldwide to stand up in unity

00:55:52.780 to bring this tyrannical globalist down.

00:55:56.140 So we came from a communist country, Czech Republic,

00:56:00.580 32 years ago.

00:56:03.480 And my experience is when the communists closed the border,

00:56:09.000 it stayed 20 years close, and then it opened for a little bit,

00:56:13.640 and then it closed again for another 20 years.

00:56:18.100 So when they closed the border, I knew right away,

00:56:21.120 these governments don't close borders for two weeks.

00:56:23.840 This must be something that they do plan.

00:56:29.040 And I said, they closed the border in Czech Republic,

00:56:33.980 and then they got rid of businesses.

00:56:37.100 My grandmother, she had an apartment building. 1.00

00:56:39.520 They took it away from them.

00:56:41.060 They took businesses away from them.

00:56:43.000 And then the last thing they did, shortage of goods.

00:56:46.340 We had a little bit of money,

00:56:48.500 but we couldn't even buy things for the money.

00:56:54.300 So how did your family survive and come through that?

00:56:58.120 Oh, we, with the government, we actually had a pretty good life.

00:57:01.760 The government was still providing jobs.

00:57:04.700 Everybody had to have jobs.

00:57:05.940 In communist country, it was actually pretty good.

00:57:09.280 Everybody had to have jobs.

00:57:11.920 But no travel, there was no freedom.

00:57:14.300 You couldn't travel outside the country.

00:57:16.820 And we actually were sentenced to prison for two years

00:57:19.960 because we dared to leave the country.

00:57:23.020 I love how you're like, it was pretty good,

00:57:24.460 but, you know, we got sent to prison for a couple of years.

00:57:27.320 You know, we could still visit family.

00:57:32.080 They didn't tell us we couldn't.

00:57:33.360 We didn't have to wear masks.

00:57:35.340 We had enough food.

00:57:36.800 And we could still do sports outside.

00:57:39.820 So in comparison to this,

00:57:41.200 I must say the communist country was really good.

00:57:44.500 What do you think about the bill

00:57:45.840 that was recently passed in Australia

00:57:47.720 that gives the premier sweeping powers?

00:57:50.120 Well, you know, they are now passing criminality

00:57:55.400 into legalizing criminality.

00:57:58.100 You can pass a bill for anything.

00:58:00.780 Well, when she had told me,

00:58:02.720 oh, and, you know, they said,

00:58:04.540 hey, it's not going to open up after two weeks.

00:58:07.180 I'm like, come on, you know,

00:58:08.460 maybe three weeks, a month, two.

00:58:11.000 And then we meet again.

00:58:12.820 And she says, see, I told you.

00:58:14.220 And I go, hmm.

00:58:15.320 And then, you know, it was around April, May 2020,

00:58:19.860 where I was like going,

00:58:20.820 there's something not right here.

00:58:22.040 And I was watching different pieces of alternative news. 0.73

00:58:24.540 And then I go, this is smelling like a rat.

00:58:26.980 Well, there's no doubt there's been an assault

00:58:28.880 on freedoms in Canada,

00:58:30.260 but Australia has been at a different level

00:58:32.240 almost this whole time.

00:58:34.620 No, don't say that.

00:58:36.060 They will try to push it here too.

00:58:38.320 Right, hopefully not.

00:58:39.460 Now, what do you make of one of the premiers there

00:58:42.060 saying that, yes, we're going to keep these camps open

00:58:44.940 and they may have to be used for the unvaccinated?

00:58:48.320 So, our wedding rings are from my husband's grandparents

00:58:55.960 who left these wedding rings

00:58:57.740 when they went to concentration camps during Hitler.

00:59:02.960 So, these camps are really scary to us

00:59:07.280 because, of course, my husband's grandfather died

00:59:12.760 because he was hiding Jews.

00:59:15.820 He died in concentration camps.

00:59:18.780 And so, we know the history.

00:59:20.920 We came from Europe.

00:59:22.100 We know the history of Hitler, communist country. 0.91

00:59:25.780 It's scary.

00:59:27.640 I'm thinking, are they going to take me there one day?

00:59:30.500 Wow, that's a scary thought.

00:59:31.900 Now, your grandfather was hiding.

00:59:33.940 He got caught hiding Jews.

00:59:35.360 Is that what happened?

00:59:36.160 He was part of the non-communist resistance group.

00:59:42.760 And apparently, there was one snitch who, you know,

00:59:46.500 informant who actually told on them.

00:59:49.280 So, he knew that Gestapo was coming for him.

00:59:51.920 So, he took his wedding ring and put it in.

00:59:55.280 Fortunately, Gestapo had good information 0.99

00:59:59.440 in the sense that they just arrested him

01:00:01.400 because his family, they have no clue what he was doing.

01:00:04.720 So, they just took him away and left the family alone.

01:00:07.460 And I wear his ring.

01:00:08.680 Wow, that is so, I'm speechless.

01:00:13.240 Now, what do you say to the people who say,

01:00:15.040 oh, this is so horrible for you to compare the Holocaust

01:00:18.640 to what we're experiencing now?

01:00:21.420 It's a similar thing.

01:00:22.780 We both just lost our jobs.

01:00:25.240 We don't know what we will do for work

01:00:26.920 because, you know, Bonnie Henry just decided 0.99

01:00:30.160 that we don't need to work if we're not vaccinated.

01:00:35.060 And I can't with good conscience just to go with it.

01:00:40.660 It's just impossible for me.

01:00:42.880 So, we just have to fight it somehow.

01:00:45.200 We'll see God will provide for us

01:00:47.320 and how we will be coping with this.

01:00:50.400 Don't know now yet what we're going to do.

01:00:52.240 Well, this is a little interesting.

01:00:54.500 We've asked a lot of people

01:00:55.800 and apparently there is no organizer here on the ground.

01:01:00.400 Simply a poster that went around

01:01:02.160 and circulated around social media.

01:01:04.440 If you look at the bottom of it here,

01:01:05.840 it says, reignite democracy in Australia.

01:01:08.500 That's what actually brought people here.

01:01:10.600 Hard to know if it's happening across the world.

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01:01:23.160 We also fight to defend freedoms across the world

01:01:26.360 in places like Canada, Australia, the UK.

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01:01:47.000 And we are even challenging governments,

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01:01:52.180 for their tyrannical vaccine passports.

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Rebel News Podcast - December 14, 2021

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Behind the scenes in the government’s dumbest tweet!

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