Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Billboard Chris details his global campaign against radical trans ideology

00:00:00.000 You're fighting for freedom!

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00:00:14.840 Tonight, a feature interview with Billboard Chris Elston,

00:00:18.720 perhaps the most successful political campaigner in North America.

00:00:22.900 You're watching The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:24.560 One of the very first things Donald Trump did

00:00:30.920 after he was sworn in as president the second time

00:00:33.500 is he issued an executive order

00:00:35.620 defending the rights of women and girls 1.00

00:00:38.520 in things like sports, in intimate places like change rooms.

00:00:42.060 He was pushing back against the tide of transgenderism, 1.00

00:00:46.280 a very important move and a necessary one

00:00:48.480 because women in those positions are often politically vulnerable. 1.00

00:00:52.580 That is, for example, if they were an athlete

00:00:55.400 who had been training and competing her whole life

00:00:58.260 trying to get on, let's say, the national team

00:01:00.540 to raise a criticism could mean losing her life's dream.

00:01:04.820 And it's very difficult to push back against an organized bully,

00:01:09.640 which is really what the transgender movement has become.

00:01:12.920 Donald Trump took that battle away from millions of girls and women 0.97

00:01:17.320 and put it on himself.

00:01:18.400 It was an important step forward, but it happened in part, I believe,

00:01:22.720 because the ground had already been shaped.

00:01:25.840 The battlefield had already been attended to

00:01:28.600 by brave activists who spoke up before Trump made it easy to do so.

00:01:34.280 And I think one of the entire world's strongest voices

00:01:38.800 is a Canadian who is well known in Canada,

00:01:42.800 but who has taken his blunt, plain-spoken messages around the world,

00:01:48.600 to Europe, to the Americas.

00:01:50.280 In many places, he's always on the go.

00:01:52.900 In fact, he's joining us now in Canada,

00:01:54.460 but he's off to the States tomorrow.

00:01:56.080 You know who I'm talking about.

00:01:57.440 It's Chris Elston, better known as Billboard Chris.

00:02:01.100 And he joins us now from his home.

00:02:03.720 Chris, great to see you again.

00:02:05.000 I mean it when I say Trump did the important executive order,

00:02:09.440 but it was politically possible for him to do that

00:02:12.860 in large part because of the groundwork that you and other activists did.

00:02:18.820 So I guess congratulations are in order.

00:02:21.840 Yes, thank you.

00:02:22.740 I think this is the first successful pushback we've really had

00:02:25.480 against much of the left's agenda for probably 60 years

00:02:28.280 since the start of the sexual revolution.

00:02:30.300 So in addition to defending women and girls in sports,

00:02:32.820 Trump also did a very important thing,

00:02:34.200 which was he pulled federal funding from any hospital engaged

00:02:37.340 in the sex trait modification of children.

00:02:40.780 Of course, I'm referring to puberty blockers,

00:02:42.460 cross-sex hormones, and surgeries being done on kids

00:02:44.540 who have been taught this ridiculous notion

00:02:46.220 that they were born in the wrong body.

00:02:48.560 So my message has been consistently,

00:02:50.180 there's no such thing as a transgender child.

00:02:51.980 The positive message we should be pushing

00:02:53.360 is that our kids are beautiful just as they are.

00:02:55.400 They don't need drugs or scalpels,

00:02:57.360 and we're winning all over the world.

00:02:59.340 Well, that's a good point.

00:03:00.460 I mean, I know you've attended both the UK

00:03:02.280 and you've been to Ireland.

00:03:03.860 I think you were actually arrested in Ireland, if I recall.

00:03:07.400 The UK has also pulled back from some of the insanity.

00:03:12.440 Their top court said there is such a thing as biological women. 1.00

00:03:16.560 They had a famous medical report.

00:03:19.260 Tell us a little bit about that country

00:03:21.180 because the dominoes appear to be falling,

00:03:23.140 not yet here in Canada,

00:03:24.760 but ironically, some of the other places you've been to,

00:03:27.760 they are starting to reverse course too.

00:03:29.620 Can you give us an update from the UK?

00:03:32.180 Sure.

00:03:32.440 So in the UK, a doctor named Hilary Cass

00:03:34.580 wrote what's called a systematic review

00:03:36.340 where they look at all the scientific literature

00:03:37.980 and they found there was no evidence

00:03:39.840 or there was extremely low quality evidence

00:03:42.640 to support transitioning children.

00:03:44.620 So they stopped giving kids puberty blockers there.

00:03:48.080 They went even further in Scotland

00:03:49.420 and they stopped giving them the opposite sex hormones as well.

00:03:52.360 However, they're going a bit backwards right now,

00:03:55.880 proposing a clinical trial

00:03:57.240 where they're going to give these puberty blockers again 0.98

00:04:00.020 to possibly even a couple thousand kids.

00:04:03.020 So people are trying to stop that in the UK

00:04:04.820 because there is no need for this.

00:04:06.820 They already have 20 years worth of data.

00:04:08.820 This trial that they're proposing

00:04:10.580 is only going to be two years long.

00:04:12.020 They won't even have long-term information from it.

00:04:14.960 So the fight continues,

00:04:16.280 but I was also just in Brussels last week

00:04:18.260 speaking at the European Parliament

00:04:19.500 where on the continent of Europe,

00:04:21.500 they're not making much progress at all,

00:04:22.900 but I'm teaming up with some

00:04:24.960 American conservative organizations

00:04:26.860 and European conservative organizations

00:04:28.780 to collaborate to help create more awareness

00:04:31.460 in Europe as well.

00:04:32.660 Well, I'm glad you're doing it.

00:04:34.140 And in the UK, you have an,

00:04:36.340 I would call an unlikely ally.

00:04:38.460 I think the number one voice against this insanity

00:04:41.560 is actually someone who would call herself

00:04:43.920 very much pro-gay, pro-gay rights.

00:04:47.620 She just believes in your message,

00:04:49.540 which I think is a very powerful one,

00:04:50.760 the very simple message,

00:04:52.280 no one is born in the wrong body.

00:04:55.300 So she's against the mutilation of children.

00:04:57.900 She's also for the protection of women's spaces. 0.99

00:05:00.440 I'm talking, of course,

00:05:01.320 about perhaps the UK's most famous living author,

00:05:05.340 J.K. Rowling.

00:05:06.160 Have you had any interaction with her

00:05:08.520 because she's so powerful,

00:05:10.220 so culturally powerful,

00:05:11.860 and also she's wealthy,

00:05:13.360 so she's not worried about being canceled.

00:05:15.280 I think she's really helped move the needle there.

00:05:17.480 She's made it socially acceptable 0.95

00:05:19.520 to oppose transgenderism. 0.62

00:05:21.520 Have you had any dealings with her?

00:05:22.840 Or like me,

00:05:23.520 you just sort of watch her with admiration?

00:05:26.780 Yeah, I just watch her with admiration.

00:05:28.480 I haven't had any dealings with her.

00:05:31.020 I would love to, but that's fine.

00:05:32.920 I actually put up a billboard

00:05:34.060 back at the start of my campaign in Vancouver

00:05:36.060 that said,

00:05:36.620 I love J.K. Rowling,

00:05:38.280 following the lead of a woman in the UK

00:05:39.620 who had put up a poster

00:05:40.460 at the Edinburgh train station.

00:05:42.360 And that poster was taken down after one day

00:05:44.020 because people said it was hate speech.

00:05:45.560 And of course,

00:05:46.220 here in crazy Vancouver,

00:05:48.000 the same exact thing happened.

00:05:49.620 And Sarah Kirby Young,

00:05:50.800 a Vancouver City councillor,

00:05:52.200 also declared my billboard to be hate speech.

00:05:54.620 It also lasted just a day.

00:05:57.760 But I then followed that up

00:05:59.920 with a lot of billboards

00:06:00.700 throughout the United States.

00:06:02.400 And then because no sign companies

00:06:03.780 would work with me in Canada,

00:06:05.040 I did what any rational person would do.

00:06:07.440 And I became a human billboard

00:06:08.640 speaking to people all across the country.

00:06:11.220 And I haven't stopped.

00:06:12.340 And it's very successful

00:06:13.200 because every normal person out there,

00:06:16.560 virtually every parent,

00:06:17.460 no matter where they are

00:06:18.160 in the political spectrum,

00:06:19.020 they know their girls are girls

00:06:20.580 and their boys are boys.

00:06:21.520 And we shouldn't be chemically castrating

00:06:23.260 and sterilizing kids.

00:06:24.660 So there's wide support for this.

00:06:27.140 And I wish our politicians in Canada

00:06:28.600 would find a little bit more courage

00:06:29.760 to speak about this

00:06:30.600 because for the Conservative Party,

00:06:32.120 this is a huge winning issue.

00:06:34.500 I think you're right.

00:06:35.580 And I was going to mention one more thing.

00:06:38.520 Amy Hamm, a nurse in Vancouver,

00:06:41.640 supported one of those

00:06:42.960 J.K. Rowling billboards.

00:06:44.640 And it marked the beginning

00:06:46.460 of a multi-year persecution of her

00:06:49.460 by her own professional association.

00:06:52.480 She was basically drummed out of a job as a nurse

00:06:54.740 because she had that political opinion,

00:06:56.700 which is just incredible

00:06:57.700 for saying, I love J.K. Rowling.

00:06:59.580 I mean, just unbelievable.

00:07:00.440 But back to your human billboard.

00:07:04.340 When you have to put something in a billboard,

00:07:06.520 I mean, good billboards are less than 10 words long

00:07:08.940 because typically you're driving by.

00:07:11.220 It's not like a magazine ad

00:07:12.780 where you might stop for a minute and read.

00:07:14.940 So good billboards are short, understandable.

00:07:18.540 Sometimes they don't even have any words.

00:07:20.580 And so when you were forced, I suppose,

00:07:24.260 to wear those sandwich boards and walk around,

00:07:26.840 it really, I think, compelled you

00:07:29.360 to crystallize your message down to the essentials.

00:07:33.340 And you did it so well in such obvious ways

00:07:36.620 that were so hard to dispute.

00:07:38.500 I think just merely showing up,

00:07:41.040 and I see other people copying your sandwich boards too.

00:07:44.020 Give me some of the messages.

00:07:45.080 I mean, some of them have stuck with me.

00:07:47.120 Like, my favorite is,

00:07:48.380 no one is born in the wrong body.

00:07:49.680 And it's just such a plain and obvious

00:07:52.900 and moral thing to say.

00:07:56.180 I think that makes it tough for people to debate with you.

00:07:59.820 So you often get some hostility.

00:08:01.500 Tell me about some of the messages you wear

00:08:03.760 and some of the reactions or criticisms they get.

00:08:07.020 Yeah, my main message is always,

00:08:09.160 children cannot consent to puberty blockers.

00:08:12.320 And that's obviously nothing hateful.

00:08:14.360 It's a rather anodyne message.

00:08:15.780 It might cause confusion in a lot of people.

00:08:17.600 And for me, that's great because I'm out there

00:08:19.300 to start conversations.

00:08:20.900 And so if people are a little unsure about what it means,

00:08:23.880 they come up and they ask about it.

00:08:25.980 And in the beginning of my campaign over five years ago,

00:08:27.800 really nobody had any clue what puberty blockers were.

00:08:30.620 Today, the landscape has completely changed.

00:08:33.480 I get so much support, constant high fives,

00:08:37.120 people honking their horns,

00:08:38.480 tons of support all over the streets of Canada

00:08:40.500 and even the world, wherever I go.

00:08:42.660 So really what I'm out here talking about

00:08:44.900 is the medical abuse of children.

00:08:46.160 And so that's my main message.

00:08:48.280 And then the one I normally have on my back

00:08:49.700 is my definition of a dad,

00:08:51.420 which is a human male who protects his kids

00:08:53.720 from gender ideology.

00:08:55.580 And I think that serves a couple purposes.

00:08:58.460 I also have those signs for moms, 0.98

00:09:00.660 but part of my campaign is I really want to get the men going

00:09:03.920 because oftentimes with this sort of activism,

00:09:07.500 it's women who are showing up at school board meetings 1.00

00:09:10.720 and doing all that sort of thing.

00:09:12.060 And men don't really know what to do.

00:09:13.920 But I think we really need to fire up the men

00:09:16.380 because men are important.

00:09:17.860 Our voices are important.

00:09:18.740 We've been told we don't matter for so long.

00:09:20.920 And that sign is probably my most popular, I'd say.

00:09:24.020 You know, there's another place where I think men 0.73

00:09:26.380 and sometimes women are absent where they shouldn't be. 1.00

00:09:29.500 And that is in change rooms

00:09:31.620 or where their kids are participating in a sport

00:09:35.640 or the change room afterwards,

00:09:36.720 and they see a grown man enter the change room

00:09:40.820 clearly in bad faith,

00:09:42.620 not that there would be a good faith excuse to enter.

00:09:45.440 And the moms and the dads have been scared

00:09:48.760 into compliance and submission,

00:09:51.560 which is contrary to every genetic instinct

00:09:54.340 we have to protect our children.

00:09:55.740 Dads, by nature, I think, are protectors.

00:09:59.300 And moms, you know, we hear the phrase grizzly mom. 1.00

00:10:02.840 There's no more dangerous place in the world

00:10:05.100 than between a grizzly bear and its cubs.

00:10:07.560 But we've denatured ourselves.

00:10:11.560 And you sometimes even see moms,

00:10:14.580 I guess, as a psychological coping mechanism.

00:10:17.020 It's a kind of Stockholm syndrome.

00:10:18.840 They say, oh, no, we're totally fine with this.

00:10:21.260 You know that they're doing that

00:10:22.660 so they don't break psychologically.

00:10:25.540 So when you encourage dads to enter the debate,

00:10:28.940 you are taking aim at the default,

00:10:33.260 which is the government saying,

00:10:34.440 hey, dads, you speak up, your kid is out.

00:10:38.300 That's right.

00:10:39.160 Men have actually lost custody of their children 0.59

00:10:41.280 for speaking up against this,

00:10:43.760 which is just completely outrageous.

00:10:46.120 And you spoke to something very important there.

00:10:48.940 Natural law.

00:10:49.940 This wouldn't exist in the natural world.

00:10:51.820 It wouldn't exist with any other species.

00:10:53.980 If you come to harm any other species,

00:10:57.380 any cub of any mom or dad,

00:11:01.100 they're going to end you.

00:11:03.220 But with this, of course, we can't do that

00:11:05.340 because we live in a civilized culture.

00:11:07.240 So we have to have conversations.

00:11:08.920 We have to slowly change laws.

00:11:10.820 But what's going on is egregious child abuse.

00:11:13.520 It's one of the craziest things

00:11:14.820 that has ever existed in the history of mankind.

00:11:16.860 And we do just need more people to speak up

00:11:20.680 because right now, still,

00:11:23.020 it's the activists from the left

00:11:25.280 who are pushing this agenda.

00:11:27.000 They're the loud ones making all of the noise.

00:11:29.860 And that noise scares people from speaking up.

00:11:32.820 But we shouldn't be scared.

00:11:34.640 It doesn't matter what someone says about you.

00:11:36.460 You know who you are.

00:11:37.300 Your family knows who you are.

00:11:38.580 And what the world says about you is unimportant.

00:11:40.820 So we have to find a little bit more courage

00:11:42.220 and start speaking up for these things that matter.

00:11:44.840 You know, there's one more thing.

00:11:46.300 And I've said this to you before.

00:11:49.460 You're networking at a very high level.

00:11:51.420 I mean, you mentioned you were just

00:11:52.900 at the European Union in Brussels.

00:11:54.420 I know you've been to places

00:11:56.840 where you've met with policymakers, very senior.

00:12:00.720 But, and I think this is the source of your strength,

00:12:03.560 if I may say,

00:12:05.120 you're at the exact opposite end of things as well.

00:12:07.700 You are there on the street for four hours

00:12:11.660 talking to all comers, friendly or hostile.

00:12:16.820 So there's, you're not out of the loop.

00:12:19.400 You are the loop.

00:12:20.840 And tell me a typical day,

00:12:23.180 like you take the sandwich boards,

00:12:25.560 you go to like a place

00:12:26.780 where people are not in a super hurry.

00:12:28.600 Like you go to a, I don't know,

00:12:30.540 like give me an example of how would you describe it?

00:12:34.600 Sort of like an outdoor mall or something

00:12:37.380 or pedestrian, pedestrian street is what I'm saying.

00:12:40.480 Not a super busy downtown place,

00:12:42.160 but a place where people maybe would stop,

00:12:44.000 like a place where buskers might go.

00:12:46.080 Tell me how you select where you go and what you do.

00:12:49.580 Yeah.

00:12:49.980 So I go to a lot of university campuses.

00:12:51.800 That's my number one destination

00:12:53.260 because for me,

00:12:54.520 universities are ground zero

00:12:55.580 for all of these crazy ideologies

00:12:58.060 being pushed out into society.

00:13:00.680 These professors, you can't get rid of them.

00:13:02.720 They're tenured.

00:13:03.400 So the only way to push back

00:13:04.940 and present the alternate narrative

00:13:06.800 on these universities is to be there yourself.

00:13:09.160 So I do that.

00:13:10.620 And I'll just go into a busy part of a downtown core.

00:13:14.100 In Vancouver, I go near the art gallery

00:13:15.620 or the corner of Granville and Georgia

00:13:17.120 where the train station is.

00:13:18.940 I get people from all walks of life.

00:13:22.420 People are just out casually relaxing, shopping.

00:13:25.740 So I just stand there quietly

00:13:28.080 and I wait for someone to come up and speak to me.

00:13:30.300 For me, this is like fishing.

00:13:31.760 I don't approach anybody,

00:13:33.140 but it never takes long

00:13:34.380 for the conversations to start up.

00:13:36.300 And I'll end up speaking continuously

00:13:38.200 for three, four or five hours sometimes,

00:13:40.180 especially when it's busy.

00:13:41.580 And on a university campus,

00:13:43.680 even if I only talk to 10 or 20 people,

00:13:45.600 the thing that's really powerful about going there

00:13:49.300 is all the other kids on those campus see me.

00:13:53.260 So they start having these conversations themselves.

00:13:55.700 They're texting their friends.

00:13:56.900 This becomes a conversation topic

00:13:58.400 for a thousand other students at the university.

00:14:00.720 And then they might go to my website

00:14:02.220 or they might learn more about this.

00:14:04.020 And I think in any certain geographical area,

00:14:06.860 you can change the conversation very quickly

00:14:08.820 just by being consistent, going outside,

00:14:11.060 being professional,

00:14:12.080 not reacting to the provocateurs

00:14:13.840 and just having sane civil conversations.

00:14:17.340 Well, and that's the thing.

00:14:18.140 You are an energy absorber.

00:14:22.380 What I mean by that is you're not coming in,

00:14:24.360 you know, you're not making things more intense.

00:14:28.440 You just talk in a calm manner,

00:14:31.960 which I think takes some of the hostility.

00:14:37.960 I mean, some people would find,

00:14:39.280 I've watched your videos.

00:14:40.500 I know some people find it infuriating

00:14:42.640 because they're hoping to fight with you

00:14:44.000 and you just, you're very methodical.

00:14:47.100 I mean, here's the thing.

00:14:48.140 There's no question you haven't been asked before.

00:14:50.680 You've done hundreds of hours,

00:14:52.380 maybe thousands of hours of this.

00:14:54.640 Someone who comes up to you with a clever quip,

00:14:56.560 you've heard it before.

00:14:57.800 So I think you engage with people.

00:15:01.800 You force them to articulate their view.

00:15:04.480 Often they realize they just have a slogan with no depth.

00:15:07.360 And I don't know, I think you actually wind up talking

00:15:11.260 to the most hostile people

00:15:13.680 because they're the ones who want to come over

00:15:15.200 and sort of show you a thing or two.

00:15:18.720 But I mean, would you agree with me

00:15:21.220 that those are the folks who are often

00:15:23.960 the least intellectually armed

00:15:25.780 and perhaps the most open

00:15:27.520 once you can break through their shell?

00:15:31.160 If they're thinking about it, if they're angry about it,

00:15:33.200 maybe you can break through and have a convert,

00:15:35.460 an ideological convert, does that happen often?

00:15:39.100 Yeah, it definitely happens.

00:15:40.300 But most people, when they're really angry,

00:15:42.060 they're not in a mindset

00:15:43.460 where they're willing to receive information.

00:15:46.020 So my strategy with them is,

00:15:48.140 first, I'll say things that they agree with

00:15:49.720 because that does bring the temperature down.

00:15:51.620 And it also confuses them

00:15:52.820 because they come into this thinking I'm some Nazi.

00:15:55.480 How dare I say children cannot consent to puberty blockers?

00:15:58.060 That's a right-wing fascist talking point, right?

00:16:00.860 So if I say things like, which are true,

00:16:04.420 that there's no right or wrong way to be a girl or a boy,

00:16:07.260 and we shouldn't put kids in some stereotypical box,

00:16:09.780 they all agree with that.

00:16:11.480 The most radical activist on the left

00:16:13.120 agrees that stereotypes don't define our kids.

00:16:16.100 So now I've confused them.

00:16:17.440 I've created this moment of cognitive dissonance

00:16:19.220 where they have two competing ideas going on in their head.

00:16:21.520 They have the confused idea

00:16:22.620 that they thought I was some sort of bigot.

00:16:24.000 And now I'm saying something

00:16:25.760 that they can't help but agree with.

00:16:27.620 And then I'll just ask them questions

00:16:29.340 because really with these people,

00:16:30.820 you need to get them thinking.

00:16:32.160 So the Socratic method of debate,

00:16:34.000 asking questions,

00:16:34.920 getting them to think about these terms

00:16:36.300 that they've accepted.

00:16:38.260 Ask, what does it mean for a girl to be a boy?

00:16:42.260 And then pause.

00:16:43.920 You have to allow them to have this time to think.

00:16:48.020 The whole purpose of a communication

00:16:49.760 is for it to be received and understood.

00:16:52.160 And if you're just continually shelling a person

00:16:54.800 with information,

00:16:55.500 they don't have any time to process.

00:16:58.160 So I'll just ask them questions

00:16:59.800 and they might calm down.

00:17:01.380 They might go home and think about it later.

00:17:03.100 But really the majority of the time

00:17:04.360 I'm speaking with people who do agree with me,

00:17:06.500 I don't post all those conversations

00:17:08.020 because sometimes I need to protect their identities.

00:17:10.100 They don't want it to be seen

00:17:11.080 because especially in Canada,

00:17:12.500 we live in an environment

00:17:13.280 where they might lose their job

00:17:14.920 just for agreeing with this simple truth.

00:17:17.500 Wow.

00:17:17.740 You know, your project reminds me

00:17:22.040 a little bit of Stephen Crowder

00:17:24.020 who would set up a desk in a place

00:17:26.720 like a college campus or a public park

00:17:28.400 and he would have a statement

00:17:29.820 and then say, you know, change my mind.

00:17:33.220 You know, and he would cover a range of topics.

00:17:36.040 He might say, you know,

00:17:37.540 we should have no immigration, change my mind. 0.68

00:17:39.940 Like he would have a provocative thing

00:17:41.500 but invite people to change his mind.

00:17:43.740 And that does a few things.

00:17:45.080 First of all, it says, hey, I'm ready to listen to you

00:17:49.280 and I'm telling you in advance

00:17:51.260 that there is a possibility I could change my mind

00:17:53.780 if you're persuaded.

00:17:54.700 It's sort of fun.

00:17:55.580 You know, I actually bumped into him once in the wild

00:17:58.300 and he had a lot of security with him.

00:18:00.620 In this day and age,

00:18:02.000 some people wouldn't want to convince him he's wrong.

00:18:04.780 They'd want to attack him.

00:18:06.420 Unfortunately, we live in that era.

00:18:09.980 You know, Charlie Kirk,

00:18:11.140 his specialty was going into the lion's den

00:18:16.020 and debating all comers.

00:18:17.460 And in the end, one of them murdered him,

00:18:19.040 which is just shocking.

00:18:21.480 But I think what you're doing is sort of a lost art,

00:18:24.640 the lost art of debate

00:18:26.000 because I'd say about 20 years ago,

00:18:27.720 we stopped debating each other

00:18:28.980 and dissidents were canceled.

00:18:31.840 They were not invited onto panels.

00:18:33.700 They were just silenced or canceled

00:18:36.280 or deplatformed or, in some cases, prosecuted.

00:18:42.640 Yes, I've been attacked several times.

00:18:45.920 I had my arm broken once in Montreal.

00:18:48.420 I've been arrested, I guess, three and a half times,

00:18:51.620 put in jail twice in Vancouver in the beginning

00:18:53.420 and recently in Brussels.

00:18:55.700 And I'm taking legal action

00:18:57.120 against five different Belgian authorities on that one.

00:19:00.240 I say a half because I was also moved out

00:19:02.720 of a public square in Australia.

00:19:04.060 I fought back on that in one as well.

00:19:06.520 So I've dealt with police more than 300 times,

00:19:08.520 to be honest, and I have no charges.

00:19:10.820 So I know what I'm doing out there

00:19:13.640 and they don't really have anything

00:19:16.240 that they can do with me

00:19:17.520 when I'm just standing quietly,

00:19:19.520 having conversations with those who want to have them.

00:19:22.260 But it is a dangerous scenario.

00:19:24.760 We just had a couple of kids killed

00:19:26.200 at Brown University this week.

00:19:27.920 And that one hit home for me

00:19:29.120 because I've spent about five days at Brown.

00:19:30.800 And it's such a leftist university.

00:19:35.580 I ran into one of the young women there

00:19:37.520 that was involved in their Republican club

00:19:39.440 a few years ago.

00:19:41.060 And there's probably only 20 conservatives

00:19:43.360 on that campus.

00:19:44.660 And now one, this beautiful young woman

00:19:46.840 with a bright future ahead of her,

00:19:48.820 just had her life tragically ended.

00:19:51.080 And you know what?

00:19:51.860 That could be me.

00:19:52.660 I could be standing on a campus that day

00:19:54.200 when one of these people shows up.

00:19:55.440 So it hit home.

00:19:58.120 I need to be careful,

00:19:58.920 but I'm not going to stop doing what I'm doing

00:20:00.680 because thousands of kids are coming to harm

00:20:03.000 and we can't allow violence to silence us.

00:20:06.380 So I opened a nonprofit in the United States.

00:20:09.180 Hopefully I'll be able to raise some money in that

00:20:10.580 and hire security from time to time.

00:20:13.540 But I have other more important things to fund right now.

00:20:16.680 What's your nonprofit called

00:20:18.200 and how can people visit it?

00:20:19.860 Like your website?

00:20:21.440 Yeah, it's wespeaktruth.com.

00:20:23.360 It's the We Speak Truth Foundation.

00:20:24.660 So it's tax deductible for Americans.

00:20:27.060 It's 501c3.

00:20:28.460 Anyone can donate to it, of course.

00:20:30.600 And that does help,

00:20:31.500 but it is just tax deductible for Americans.

00:20:34.640 And that basically covers your travel costs

00:20:37.480 and things like that?

00:20:38.740 Yeah, that'll cover my travel security.

00:20:40.920 We're going to be doing town halls,

00:20:42.840 university speaking events.

00:20:45.440 Basically, the more money that comes in,

00:20:47.760 the more things we're going to be able to do

00:20:49.040 because I have a lot of great ideas.

00:20:50.360 I can do a lot more than just stand on the street,

00:20:53.040 but I need to hire some people.

00:20:54.840 Some people who can help with international media,

00:20:56.960 with print media, social media,

00:20:58.800 video editors, things like that.

00:21:01.980 Now, the 501c3,

00:21:03.900 that's what the IRS tax code calls a charity.

00:21:10.100 Will you also be doing stuff in Canada?

00:21:12.540 I'm sure you will.

00:21:13.880 I just want to confirm that.

00:21:15.540 So if a Canadian chips in,

00:21:17.840 they wouldn't get a useful tax credit,

00:21:19.820 but will you still be touring in Canada too?

00:21:25.280 I will be.

00:21:26.040 And so this 501c3,

00:21:27.300 it's really for me to continue this fight globally.

00:21:30.160 So it's not just for work that I do in the US.

00:21:31.880 It's for work everywhere.

00:21:33.160 Right.

00:21:34.080 I probably should open a Canadian non-profit.

00:21:37.540 So it's something for me to look at.

00:21:38.940 It's not on my radar right now,

00:21:40.940 but if there's demand for that,

00:21:43.200 then I would do it for sure.

00:21:45.020 Well, you're so busy.

00:21:46.080 I mean, like I say,

00:21:46.920 on the one hand,

00:21:47.880 you have very high level meetings with policymakers.

00:21:49.820 On the other hand,

00:21:51.100 you'll literally talk to anyone on the street for half an hour.

00:21:55.580 You know, I mean, it's quite unusual what you do.

00:21:59.060 I've got a question for you.

00:22:00.700 And I was reminded of it the other day

00:22:02.560 when we interviewed someone in Markham, Ontario,

00:22:05.780 who had a fairly thick Chinese accent,

00:22:08.100 but she said she was very concerned

00:22:10.540 about out-of-control immigration.

00:22:12.720 And you might think,

00:22:13.820 well, that's a contradiction.

00:22:14.640 Well, no, not really.

00:22:15.780 Because someone who came to Canada legally 1.00

00:22:17.780 and is frustrated by the overwhelming

00:22:20.520 and fraudulent asylum seekers, for example,

00:22:23.000 or fake students,

00:22:24.240 they would be mad,

00:22:25.640 even though they themselves are an immigrant.

00:22:27.400 And I thought, shame on me

00:22:28.840 for maybe having a stereotype

00:22:31.520 that she would not be against immigration.

00:22:34.060 I mean, I guess because there was some cognitive dissonance.

00:22:36.720 I got a question for you about this same thing.

00:22:39.980 And I'm just going to throw it out there.

00:22:41.320 You tell me if I'm right or wrong.

00:22:43.900 Some people in Hollywood,

00:22:46.260 I forget the particular star,

00:22:49.500 has two, three trans kids.

00:22:52.720 And I think, you know, that is not random.

00:22:56.820 That is the result of a sort of a luxury belief

00:23:02.640 by a white liberal

00:23:04.000 that having a trans kid is sort of something 1.00

00:23:06.840 that you show off to friends,

00:23:08.640 like having a collection or something.

00:23:11.180 And I want to know if your experience,

00:23:14.180 the people who support transgenderism

00:23:16.580 are sort of well-to-do liberals

00:23:19.660 who have first world problems.

00:23:23.880 Contrast that with, say, a new Canadian 0.99

00:23:25.940 or a new American immigrant,

00:23:27.340 perhaps from an ethnic background,

00:23:28.920 who's more focused on,

00:23:30.420 I got to succeed in America.

00:23:32.140 I got to succeed in Canada.

00:23:33.380 I got to pay the bills.

00:23:34.420 I want to raise my kids

00:23:35.380 and want them to go to a good school.

00:23:36.420 Like, I just wonder

00:23:37.200 if you see that this is a luxury issue

00:23:40.780 by wealthy, you know,

00:23:44.120 women who lunch, 1.00

00:23:45.280 ladies who lunch kind of thing. 0.80

00:23:46.780 I don't know.

00:23:47.500 I don't think I put my question

00:23:48.540 too clearly to you,

00:23:50.120 but is there...

00:23:50.580 I understand.

00:23:51.160 Go ahead.

00:23:53.080 Yes.

00:23:53.600 So I basically have 100% support

00:23:56.380 from the immigrant communities,

00:23:58.040 Hispanic communities.

00:23:59.400 Of course, this isn't happening

00:24:00.640 in the Muslim community at all.

00:24:01.700 It's not happening

00:24:02.160 in the Chinese community.

00:24:03.420 It's not happening with the Hispanics. 1.00

00:24:05.060 This is really pushed 90% of the time

00:24:09.020 by young white women.

00:24:12.080 And I don't even like saying that

00:24:13.760 because I don't want to upset

00:24:14.660 the ladies out there, 0.96

00:24:15.620 but it's true.

00:24:16.680 And so truth is truth.

00:24:18.620 All of these young women

00:24:19.840 going to university,

00:24:21.840 taking women's studies

00:24:22.760 or gender studies,

00:24:23.740 as they're now called,

00:24:24.980 feminist studies,

00:24:25.900 they're all coming out of university

00:24:27.320 with the belief that

00:24:28.340 people are transgender

00:24:29.620 and that kids are going to

00:24:32.080 commit suicide

00:24:32.880 if we don't transition them.

00:24:33.960 They believe puberty block

00:24:34.860 is reversible.

00:24:35.600 They fall for all these lies

00:24:36.680 that are taught to them.

00:24:38.080 And I understand that

00:24:39.140 because they're being taught

00:24:39.840 by authority figures

00:24:40.640 in their life,

00:24:41.160 university professors.

00:24:42.820 But this is a suicidal empathy

00:24:45.340 all across the West,

00:24:47.180 not just on this issue,

00:24:48.160 but all sorts of issues.

00:24:49.360 And unfortunately,

00:24:50.960 empathy often comes from women 1.00

00:24:52.120 and it's a beautiful thing

00:24:52.960 when it's used correctly.

00:24:54.960 But bad actors

00:24:57.220 are taking advantage

00:24:58.440 of women's natural empathy

00:24:59.440 and they're lying to them

00:25:01.100 and they're indoctrinating

00:25:01.940 a generation.

00:25:03.020 So this is one more reason

00:25:04.660 why it's so important

00:25:05.320 to do this on universities.

00:25:07.580 Suicidal empathy,

00:25:08.440 that's a phrase Gad Saad uses.

00:25:10.020 I think you're right.

00:25:12.460 It's also a kind of projection.

00:25:14.360 I mean, occasionally you see

00:25:15.520 someone on Instagram

00:25:17.160 or something

00:25:17.820 who says,

00:25:19.420 my dog is vegetarian.

00:25:21.200 I'm feeding my dog.

00:25:22.780 And it's projecting.

00:25:24.700 A dog needs meat.

00:25:26.280 You know,

00:25:27.000 they're called canines.

00:25:28.200 Our teeth are called canines

00:25:29.820 for a reason.

00:25:30.780 You know,

00:25:30.940 it's designed to eat meat.

00:25:32.140 To force a dog

00:25:33.500 to be vegan

00:25:35.080 because you are

00:25:36.260 is,

00:25:37.080 I think there's an analogy there.

00:25:39.840 It's not a very good one.

00:25:41.180 But you,

00:25:42.040 I think what's happening

00:25:42.840 is these liberal,

00:25:44.240 progressive women

00:25:45.880 want their child

00:25:48.300 to be an expression

00:25:49.220 of their ideology

00:25:50.700 as opposed to

00:25:51.780 the child's own biology.

00:25:53.800 And as you say,

00:25:54.400 children can't choose

00:25:55.400 puberty blockers,

00:25:56.620 very,

00:25:56.940 it's a very crazy thing.

00:25:58.480 Let me ask you,

00:25:59.260 I started off by talking

00:26:00.320 about how Donald Trump

00:26:01.220 really sees the lead.

00:26:02.840 And I think

00:26:03.440 that was an issue

00:26:05.360 that's one of those

00:26:05.880 80-20 issues

00:26:07.100 where 80% of people

00:26:08.940 are on side,

00:26:09.620 even if they're not going

00:26:10.320 to say so out loud.

00:26:11.560 It cuts beyond

00:26:12.880 partisan divides.

00:26:14.180 Like I bet you

00:26:14.880 that the majority of people,

00:26:16.320 even in liberal cities,

00:26:17.440 agrees with this.

00:26:18.640 And for Trump to come in

00:26:20.020 and be the defender of women

00:26:21.820 was quite something

00:26:23.280 that I think it was

00:26:24.160 as J.K. Rowling herself

00:26:25.600 noted,

00:26:26.360 it was a missed opportunity

00:26:27.460 for Democrats.

00:26:30.140 In Canada,

00:26:32.300 there has not been

00:26:33.400 the same courage

00:26:34.240 except, I dare say,

00:26:36.540 in Alberta

00:26:37.120 under Premier Danielle Smith.

00:26:38.320 Have I missed someone?

00:26:39.540 Is there another Premier

00:26:40.460 who's taken a hardline stance?

00:26:42.580 I think in Nova Scotia

00:26:43.700 they tried to

00:26:44.980 but lost an election

00:26:46.000 or something.

00:26:46.500 Maybe I'm wrong there.

00:26:47.540 Is there any champion

00:26:49.120 for women's rights

00:26:50.220 and women's spaces 0.92

00:26:51.080 in Canada

00:26:52.360 other than Danielle Smith?

00:26:54.980 Only Danielle Smith.

00:26:56.040 Really.

00:26:56.620 Give me your thoughts.

00:26:57.480 I'm sure you've read

00:26:58.420 her policy.

00:26:59.680 I wouldn't be surprised

00:27:00.560 if you consulted,

00:27:01.900 if you were consulted on it.

00:27:03.360 Give me your thoughts

00:27:03.940 on what Alberta's doing.

00:27:06.040 So Danielle Smith's ban 1.00

00:27:07.980 on this

00:27:08.700 is no more puberty blockers

00:27:10.760 or cross-text hormones

00:27:11.440 for children

00:27:12.120 under 16 years of age.

00:27:14.480 And I'm glad

00:27:15.280 they're doing this.

00:27:16.120 It's an improvement.

00:27:17.480 It is, however,

00:27:18.440 a half measure

00:27:19.400 because we shouldn't

00:27:20.840 be harming

00:27:21.280 all these 16

00:27:22.040 and 17-year-olds either.

00:27:23.700 They're the only jurisdiction

00:27:24.620 in the world

00:27:25.200 where they,

00:27:25.760 when they put this ban

00:27:26.420 into effect,

00:27:27.520 did it for just kids

00:27:28.380 15 and under.

00:27:29.760 And the trans activists

00:27:30.600 get just as mad

00:27:31.380 if you do this

00:27:31.800 for under 19

00:27:32.480 compared to

00:27:33.640 if you do it

00:27:34.040 for under 16.

00:27:35.000 So they should just

00:27:36.560 extend that ban

00:27:37.580 to everyone

00:27:38.100 at least 18 and under

00:27:39.120 in my opinion.

00:27:40.320 But it is a great first step.

00:27:42.260 It starts a lot

00:27:42.920 of conversations.

00:27:44.480 Of course,

00:27:45.100 a judge tried

00:27:45.800 to block this right away.

00:27:47.140 So she's doing what

00:27:48.880 honestly is one

00:27:50.380 of the best parts

00:27:50.960 of our Charter

00:27:51.540 of Rights and Freedoms

00:27:52.220 in my opinion.

00:27:53.260 She's invoking

00:27:54.000 the Notwithstanding Clause.

00:27:55.920 So the Notwithstanding Clause

00:27:57.120 enables the Premier

00:27:58.900 or the Prime Minister

00:27:59.680 to basically overrule

00:28:01.520 a judge for five years

00:28:02.780 because we shouldn't

00:28:04.280 be ruled by judges.

00:28:05.920 When we elect a politician

00:28:07.400 and they put into place

00:28:08.660 policies that we elected

00:28:09.820 them to put into place,

00:28:11.220 we shouldn't have judges

00:28:12.340 stopping that

00:28:13.120 because then that's

00:28:14.140 the end of democracy.

00:28:15.320 And all of our judiciary

00:28:16.540 has been trained

00:28:17.480 by trans activists

00:28:18.580 to look at this

00:28:19.360 in only one way.

00:28:21.060 And we have all

00:28:21.520 these human rights codes

00:28:22.420 and we even have

00:28:22.960 federal laws

00:28:23.640 banning parents

00:28:25.660 from protecting their kids.

00:28:27.100 If the child thinks

00:28:28.060 they're transgender,

00:28:28.900 you're not allowed

00:28:29.460 to say no, sweetheart.

00:28:31.320 You're really just a girl 1.00

00:28:32.360 and we're not going

00:28:33.320 to go along with this.

00:28:34.340 That could technically

00:28:35.300 have them charged

00:28:36.120 with conversion therapy.

00:28:38.480 So everything's

00:28:39.780 just upside down.

00:28:40.660 She's leading the way

00:28:41.500 and hopefully

00:28:42.020 there's a contagion effect

00:28:43.680 to other politicians

00:28:44.680 where they find the courage

00:28:45.620 to tackle this as well.

00:28:47.840 Well, I want to let you know

00:28:48.820 that Rebel News

00:28:49.500 is the proud publisher

00:28:50.740 of a book called

00:28:52.440 Buck the Rainbow Unicorn.

00:28:54.640 I don't know

00:28:55.080 if you've heard of that.

00:28:56.060 Our talent,

00:28:57.860 Lise Merle,

00:28:59.100 has published that book

00:29:00.060 and it became

00:29:01.620 the number one

00:29:02.340 best-selling

00:29:02.940 LGBTQSL plus book

00:29:06.060 in Canada.

00:29:08.000 I think some of the people

00:29:09.120 who bought it

00:29:09.800 didn't realize

00:29:10.880 that the book resolves,

00:29:12.520 I shouldn't give away

00:29:13.320 the spoiler here,

00:29:14.560 in a way that you,

00:29:15.900 I think,

00:29:16.160 would say,

00:29:16.560 yeah, I mean,

00:29:17.480 you know,

00:29:17.740 kids can be confused

00:29:18.740 for a bit in their life,

00:29:19.780 but don't chop them up

00:29:20.860 because I won't give away

00:29:21.760 the ending,

00:29:22.740 but I should tell our viewers

00:29:24.300 you can find out more

00:29:25.580 at BuckTheRainbowUnicorn.com

00:29:28.560 and Chris,

00:29:29.260 I think we'll have

00:29:29.740 to send you a copy.

00:29:31.000 I'd love for you

00:29:31.640 to review the book.

00:29:32.940 Anyhow,

00:29:33.180 that was just a little plug

00:29:34.260 for giving me.

00:29:35.540 I got a question for you.

00:29:36.820 I remember before

00:29:37.600 Elon Musk took over Twitter,

00:29:39.620 I was careful

00:29:40.940 because I didn't want to,

00:29:42.020 I mean,

00:29:42.220 I got,

00:29:42.660 I don't know,

00:29:43.400 half a million followers

00:29:44.320 on Twitter,

00:29:44.900 which is a powerful tool,

00:29:46.320 so I didn't want to

00:29:47.140 get suspended

00:29:48.140 unless it was

00:29:49.380 for a very important reason.

00:29:50.660 One of the things

00:29:51.220 I noticed

00:29:51.840 is that I would be suspended

00:29:53.520 if I misgendered someone,

00:29:58.260 which means

00:29:58.780 calling a biological male

00:30:00.440 a man

00:30:00.880 instead of what

00:30:01.460 they claim to be,

00:30:02.380 or if I deadnamed someone,

00:30:05.300 that is,

00:30:05.660 call someone their name

00:30:06.800 that their mama gave them

00:30:07.800 as opposed to

00:30:08.640 their adopted stage name.

00:30:10.600 And I want to tell you,

00:30:12.360 Chris,

00:30:12.600 that I've tweeted

00:30:13.560 an enormous amount

00:30:15.840 in my life

00:30:16.300 about every possible subject,

00:30:18.120 and I can tell you

00:30:19.340 that no other issue,

00:30:20.980 not Islamophobia,

00:30:22.860 not homophobia,

00:30:24.660 not xenophobia,

00:30:26.380 nothing would be

00:30:28.720 as rigorously,

00:30:29.960 vigorously,

00:30:30.500 and speedily

00:30:31.400 attended to

00:30:32.880 other than those

00:30:33.860 trans transgressions. 1.00

00:30:36.120 Like,

00:30:36.820 they would catch it

00:30:38.520 within 20 minutes

00:30:40.340 and suspend you.

00:30:42.300 I've never seen

00:30:43.360 anything so vigorous.

00:30:44.760 Why and how

00:30:45.880 did the trans lobby

00:30:48.400 become so urgent

00:30:49.480 and powerful?

00:30:50.200 I just don't get it.

00:30:51.420 It's like it came

00:30:52.020 out of nowhere

00:30:52.540 10 years ago,

00:30:53.660 and it became

00:30:54.600 the most vicious

00:30:55.420 censorship force

00:30:56.420 that I experienced.

00:30:57.840 And believe me,

00:30:58.220 I've experienced

00:30:58.680 a lot of censorship

00:30:59.360 in my life.

00:31:00.240 Can you explain

00:31:01.160 that for me?

00:31:03.020 Sure.

00:31:03.640 So really,

00:31:04.280 the sexual revolution

00:31:05.080 started 60 years ago,

00:31:06.280 and it wasn't

00:31:07.420 until about 2015

00:31:08.460 all across the world

00:31:09.440 that they won

00:31:10.460 gay rights.

00:31:12.080 And so what happens

00:31:13.340 to all of these

00:31:14.020 non-profits?

00:31:15.680 They don't just

00:31:17.140 close the doors.

00:31:18.260 They keep going,

00:31:19.280 and they made

00:31:19.700 their new objective

00:31:20.480 trans rights.

00:31:21.680 So we have billions

00:31:22.500 of dollars

00:31:23.100 from all these NGOs,

00:31:25.580 from the UN,

00:31:26.820 from the World Health

00:31:27.480 Organization,

00:31:28.600 from certain

00:31:29.320 billionaires themselves

00:31:30.380 just donating,

00:31:32.120 and of course,

00:31:32.860 from governments.

00:31:33.840 We have the Canadian

00:31:34.500 government has sent,

00:31:35.420 I think,

00:31:35.640 about $12 billion

00:31:36.440 overseas on

00:31:37.680 gender equity initiatives.

00:31:39.640 We have the US

00:31:40.440 government,

00:31:41.500 especially under

00:31:42.060 the Biden and Obama

00:31:43.100 administration,

00:31:44.280 where they were

00:31:44.840 sending tens of

00:31:46.360 billions of dollars

00:31:47.080 overseas to

00:31:47.900 universities,

00:31:48.580 et cetera.

00:31:49.720 And so this has not

00:31:50.660 been an organic

00:31:51.420 movement at all.

00:31:52.840 This has been

00:31:53.400 entirely orchestrated

00:31:55.140 and funded

00:31:56.080 in a concerted effort

00:31:57.500 from the left.

00:31:58.680 And as soon as

00:31:59.520 we start pushing

00:32:00.140 back against it,

00:32:01.480 all of this money

00:32:03.600 and all of this

00:32:04.320 power and all

00:32:05.080 of these zealots

00:32:06.160 start fighting back.

00:32:08.940 And they don't

00:32:09.660 like losing

00:32:10.300 because they've

00:32:11.000 never lost anything

00:32:11.880 for 60 years.

00:32:12.840 All they've been

00:32:13.200 doing is winning.

00:32:14.040 And for the first

00:32:14.640 time,

00:32:14.940 we're actually

00:32:15.340 pushing back

00:32:16.000 on one of their

00:32:16.540 agendas because

00:32:17.580 they went too far,

00:32:18.920 saying that children

00:32:19.580 are transgender,

00:32:20.440 that they were born

00:32:20.880 in the wrong body.

00:32:22.100 Well, all sorts of

00:32:22.800 people from the left

00:32:23.420 don't agree with that

00:32:24.020 either.

00:32:24.600 But the short answer

00:32:25.640 is there's a ton

00:32:26.580 of money up against

00:32:27.860 us.

00:32:28.520 Tens of billions

00:32:29.280 of dollars.

00:32:29.880 And what do we have?

00:32:31.020 We have parents

00:32:31.600 like myself leading

00:32:32.600 the charge with

00:32:33.640 no money at all.

00:32:34.640 But we have

00:32:35.120 something they don't

00:32:35.700 have.

00:32:35.940 We have the truth.

00:32:36.840 And I always say

00:32:37.500 the truth spreads

00:32:38.040 for free and it's

00:32:39.600 going to keep

00:32:40.180 spreading because

00:32:41.180 people know that

00:32:41.820 they've gone too far.

00:32:42.800 But they conflated

00:32:43.740 the T with the LGB

00:32:44.920 and that brought

00:32:46.140 them so much success.

00:32:47.620 It brought them

00:32:47.980 so much money.

00:32:48.780 And it also brought

00:32:49.580 them fear because

00:32:50.880 they were able to

00:32:51.480 instill fear in

00:32:52.720 anyone who speaks

00:32:53.420 out against it.

00:32:54.360 But we have to

00:32:54.860 eliminate that because

00:32:55.680 this isn't about

00:32:56.320 gay. 0.93

00:32:56.960 This is about

00:32:57.460 something entirely

00:32:58.140 different.

00:32:58.580 This is a denial of

00:32:59.400 reality and attack

00:33:00.240 on our kids.

00:33:01.260 I can just imagine

00:33:02.460 all the money in

00:33:03.500 the surgeries and

00:33:04.960 the pharmaceuticals

00:33:06.220 and the hormones.

00:33:07.460 I mean it is an

00:33:08.560 industry.

00:33:09.440 Let me ask you one

00:33:10.100 last question.

00:33:11.160 And I think it's

00:33:13.760 a legitimate story

00:33:14.820 because the person

00:33:16.400 in question told

00:33:19.400 her story publicly

00:33:20.960 became a bit of an

00:33:21.820 advocate, an activist,

00:33:23.760 a campaigner.

00:33:24.480 So this was not a

00:33:25.240 private decision

00:33:26.100 by a private person.

00:33:27.460 This was a decision

00:33:28.360 made by someone

00:33:29.760 and then publicized

00:33:31.900 vigorously by the

00:33:33.940 person in question.

00:33:34.580 I'm talking about

00:33:36.160 the daughter of

00:33:36.940 Mark Carney.

00:33:38.740 And I understand

00:33:40.220 from, it was actually

00:33:42.100 our friends over at

00:33:43.560 Juneau News who did

00:33:44.440 the story, that Mark

00:33:46.480 Carney's daughter has

00:33:47.320 gone all the way.

00:33:48.520 I think she's had

00:33:49.260 the surgery.

00:33:50.960 And I don't have the

00:33:52.200 story in front of me

00:33:52.760 but I think she got a

00:33:53.600 mastectomy.

00:33:54.480 And she's talked

00:33:56.540 about it publicly.

00:33:57.320 So this is not

00:33:58.140 picking on someone's

00:33:59.220 family.

00:33:59.560 I don't think it is.

00:34:00.400 I think it's a

00:34:01.300 reference to an

00:34:01.860 activist who happens

00:34:02.600 to be the daughter

00:34:03.220 of the Prime Minister

00:34:03.980 who obviously, I

00:34:06.120 don't know, was fine

00:34:06.740 with it, supported it.

00:34:09.320 He hasn't really

00:34:10.100 talked about it a lot.

00:34:11.860 What does it mean

00:34:12.940 that the Prime

00:34:13.580 Minister's own child

00:34:14.880 went under the most

00:34:16.220 radical transformation

00:34:17.820 possible, surgery?

00:34:20.240 So I have a bit of a

00:34:22.040 contrarian take on this

00:34:23.120 for a lot of

00:34:23.600 Conservatives.

00:34:25.120 And I'd say the

00:34:26.020 jury is out on Mark

00:34:27.080 Carney's opinion on

00:34:28.080 this.

00:34:28.740 Of course, he virtue

00:34:29.680 signals for LGBTQ,

00:34:31.240 et cetera, at press

00:34:33.080 conferences and

00:34:33.640 everything.

00:34:34.040 But he was asked a

00:34:34.720 question by Juneau

00:34:35.500 News leading up to

00:34:36.580 the election.

00:34:37.080 He was asked how

00:34:37.640 many genders are

00:34:38.860 there.

00:34:39.640 And he sort of

00:34:40.200 fumbled his answer

00:34:40.920 like he does.

00:34:41.900 But then he said

00:34:42.440 there are two sexes,

00:34:43.720 which is actually a

00:34:44.780 good answer.

00:34:45.220 And then he moved on.

00:34:46.780 And so I look at

00:34:47.740 this, I try to see

00:34:48.840 the humanity in

00:34:49.580 people.

00:34:50.500 He's a dad.

00:34:51.980 His daughter went to

00:34:52.960 the Tavistock when he

00:34:53.860 was the governor of

00:34:57.160 the Bank of England

00:34:57.820 and he was living in

00:34:58.800 London.

00:34:59.480 She wasn't

00:35:00.080 medicalized.

00:35:00.940 She didn't receive

00:35:01.460 puberty blockers across

00:35:02.320 sex hormones at the 0.63

00:35:03.260 Tavistock, but she was 0.87

00:35:04.160 going there.

00:35:05.040 This was back when

00:35:05.920 they were also just

00:35:06.780 doing psychological

00:35:07.780 assessments.

00:35:09.340 And I don't think

00:35:10.080 it's been reported on,

00:35:11.060 but she did receive a

00:35:11.960 double mastectomy when

00:35:12.780 she was at Yale as an

00:35:14.040 adult.

00:35:14.760 Okay.

00:35:15.080 And so I think just

00:35:17.100 from my dad hat, as a

00:35:18.660 father, he cannot

00:35:19.620 possibly like that his

00:35:21.440 daughter had her breasts 1.00

00:35:23.020 removed as a young

00:35:24.640 woman.

00:35:25.260 What dad can like that?

00:35:27.780 And I just think given

00:35:29.120 how he's tried to ignore

00:35:30.820 this issue, given the

00:35:32.220 answer to that one

00:35:33.020 question, we don't

00:35:34.280 really know where he

00:35:35.060 stands.

00:35:35.780 And we have Labour

00:35:37.020 government in England

00:35:38.440 that stopped puberty

00:35:39.560 blockers.

00:35:40.200 We have the SNP

00:35:41.280 government in Scotland.

00:35:42.400 These are radical

00:35:43.280 leftist governments where

00:35:45.020 they stopped it.

00:35:46.180 And sometimes I think

00:35:47.080 maybe Mark Carney, kind

00:35:48.780 of like how he axed the

00:35:49.940 tax when Pierre had been

00:35:51.200 campaigning on axing the

00:35:52.260 tax for three years.

00:35:53.720 I know he's changed it

00:35:55.160 and done more carbon tax

00:35:56.360 on the industrial side,

00:35:57.840 but it's not out of the

00:35:59.580 realm of possibility that

00:36:01.300 he would one day say,

00:36:03.020 look at all these

00:36:03.880 systematic reviews.

00:36:04.820 Look what they've done in

00:36:05.480 England.

00:36:05.800 Look what they've now done

00:36:06.520 in New Zealand.

00:36:08.080 There isn't evidence for

00:36:09.360 this.

00:36:10.000 But we just haven't moved

00:36:11.340 the Overton window, I

00:36:12.160 think, far enough in

00:36:13.180 Canada for him to feel

00:36:14.040 comfortable doing that if

00:36:15.060 that is what he wants to

00:36:15.960 do.

00:36:16.480 But it wouldn't surprise me

00:36:17.500 at all because I think

00:36:18.840 all governments in this

00:36:19.740 world are eventually going

00:36:20.560 to come to reason because

00:36:21.540 the more people learn

00:36:22.680 what's going on, it's just

00:36:24.140 become such a losing

00:36:25.020 issue.

00:36:25.620 We just need to make it

00:36:26.660 safe sometimes for these

00:36:27.720 politicians to take

00:36:28.600 action.

00:36:29.680 Yeah.

00:36:30.120 One last question.

00:36:31.080 I know I said that

00:36:32.000 already, but one of the

00:36:33.880 things I like about what

00:36:34.960 you do on the street is I

00:36:37.940 think it can be replicated.

00:36:40.200 The signs.

00:36:41.500 Now, you've had an

00:36:42.440 enormous amount of

00:36:43.180 training.

00:36:43.680 You've figured it out on

00:36:44.520 your own.

00:36:45.580 You've done hundreds or

00:36:46.660 maybe thousands of hours

00:36:47.740 of it.

00:36:48.420 But I think someone who

00:36:49.640 was well-informed, who

00:36:51.440 went out there day after

00:36:52.880 day and practiced

00:36:54.600 debating, I think there

00:36:56.480 could be mini-me's.

00:36:57.840 There could be Chris

00:36:58.540 Elston mini-me's out

00:36:59.980 there.

00:37:02.080 In fact, I think I've

00:37:03.000 seen other people.

00:37:03.880 I've seen people with

00:37:04.740 similar signs to you.

00:37:06.600 Do you ever train

00:37:08.400 people?

00:37:09.060 Is that something

00:37:09.640 WeSpeakTruth.com might

00:37:11.660 do is train people?

00:37:12.980 Like, I know Al Gore, he

00:37:14.480 had that movie, An

00:37:15.540 Inconvenient Truth, and

00:37:16.620 he would sort of give a

00:37:17.760 PowerPoint lecture about

00:37:18.780 global warming.

00:37:19.620 And he had sort of a

00:37:21.200 school where he would

00:37:23.040 train other people to

00:37:24.900 give that same

00:37:25.880 presentation in his

00:37:27.660 stead and what the

00:37:29.400 questions and

00:37:30.000 objections are.

00:37:30.780 So there's only one

00:37:32.000 Al Gore, and he could

00:37:33.060 only be at so many

00:37:34.420 events a year.

00:37:35.180 But if Al Gore could

00:37:36.520 train a hundred or a

00:37:39.280 thousand mini-me's, he

00:37:41.400 could really be a force

00:37:42.720 multiplier, and they

00:37:43.420 would all have the

00:37:44.420 blessing of the great

00:37:45.780 Al Gore.

00:37:46.880 Is that something you've

00:37:47.760 considered?

00:37:48.220 Are you just too busy?

00:37:49.260 Or if you maybe get some

00:37:50.660 dough at WeSpeakTruth.com,

00:37:52.240 maybe you could get a

00:37:52.820 little school going or

00:37:54.360 something, like a weekend

00:37:55.640 seminar on how to do it?

00:37:58.420 I would absolutely do

00:37:59.560 that.

00:37:59.760 Now, to be honest, street

00:38:01.200 activism isn't for most

00:38:02.560 people.

00:38:03.300 You have to have a

00:38:06.740 certain innate ability to

00:38:09.700 just take a whole bunch of

00:38:11.260 crap and not react to it.

00:38:13.580 Because as soon as you start

00:38:14.700 reacting, you're losing.

00:38:16.340 Right.

00:38:17.040 But what I've been doing

00:38:18.320 this whole time, I consider

00:38:19.780 this campaign an educational

00:38:20.940 campaign.

00:38:21.540 So I'm always trying to

00:38:22.480 educate people how to talk

00:38:23.460 on this issue.

00:38:24.340 I record these conversations,

00:38:25.640 I post them to social media,

00:38:26.820 they get seen millions of

00:38:27.660 times now, and that educates

00:38:29.460 people how to talk about

00:38:30.420 this.

00:38:31.560 So what I do when I do public

00:38:34.100 speaking or whatever, that's

00:38:34.960 what it's always about.

00:38:35.940 I do think a formal weekend

00:38:39.060 session where I teach people

00:38:40.440 how to handle objections and

00:38:41.620 all that would be beneficial.

00:38:44.520 But when it comes to the

00:38:45.640 street stuff, that's always

00:38:47.460 going to be a very small

00:38:49.960 handful of people that are

00:38:51.140 comfortable doing that.

00:38:51.900 But I do encourage it because

00:38:53.280 for me, the reason I started

00:38:55.100 doing that is because we have

00:38:56.260 to get out of our echo

00:38:57.100 chambers.

00:38:57.660 We can't just do this on

00:38:58.820 social media.

00:39:00.120 Social media is a terrible

00:39:00.980 place for having conversations.

00:39:02.520 That's a great place for

00:39:03.480 educating people, but not for

00:39:04.660 having conversations.

00:39:05.880 And as human beings, we have

00:39:08.000 to get back to natural law

00:39:09.780 again.

00:39:10.280 We need to talk to people

00:39:11.420 face to face.

00:39:12.420 That's how we're meant to

00:39:13.400 communicate.

00:39:14.420 And that's how we do bring

00:39:16.900 about change in the world.

00:39:18.000 It's always been the way.

00:39:19.560 It's always been street

00:39:20.440 activism, whether it's Martin

00:39:22.420 Luther King or Mahatma

00:39:23.480 Gandhi or whoever.

00:39:24.860 Throughout history, Jesus

00:39:26.380 Christ himself was preaching

00:39:27.940 out on the streets.

00:39:29.440 So we always have to take

00:39:31.000 this straight to the people.

00:39:32.320 And the only way to do that

00:39:33.440 is to go outside.

00:39:35.160 Well, I tell you, you've

00:39:36.240 made an enormous difference.

00:39:37.400 And I think you really have

00:39:39.040 been indispensable in this

00:39:40.180 battle.

00:39:40.380 And you've shown the way.

00:39:41.700 Congratulations on everything

00:39:42.740 you've achieved.

00:39:43.280 Good luck in your travels.

00:39:44.760 I'll keep our eyes peeled for

00:39:46.680 WeSpeakTruth.com.

00:39:48.020 And for anyone who wants to

00:39:48.920 chip in, I'd encourage them

00:39:50.480 to go there.

00:39:51.340 In fact, I think I'm going to

00:39:52.120 go there myself.

00:39:53.340 Chris, good luck.

00:39:54.040 Thanks for being with us.

00:39:55.300 Thank you.

00:39:56.200 All right.

00:39:56.840 There it is.

00:39:58.420 That's it from all of us here

00:39:59.980 at Rebel World Headquarters

00:40:01.080 to you at home.

00:40:01.780 Good night.

00:40:03.220 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:40:04.300 Keep fighting for freedom.

00:40:07.700 Shame on you, you 0.99

00:40:09.320 censorious bug.

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Rebel News Podcast - December 31, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Billboard Chris details his global campaign against radical trans ideology

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