Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Birmingham's radical Muslims want to expel local Jews

00:00:00.140 Hello, my friends. I'm back in Canada now. I have a few more thoughts on the UK.

00:00:04.800 And tonight, actually, I'm going to go out to the ostrich farm.

00:00:08.180 I know that the massacre was yesterday, and our friend Drea Humphrey covered it very well.

00:00:12.620 But I want to go out there and fly the flag and show our solidarity with the people and with the farm.

00:00:17.440 So that's where I'll be tomorrow.

00:00:18.860 But today, enjoy another dose of the UK with lessons for us here in Canada.

00:00:24.740 Before I do, I really want you to see what happened in Birmingham.

00:00:30.000 With these pro-Hamas rioters on the other side and the small counter-protesters, you know, they were outnumbered, 101.

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00:01:00.000 Tonight, I'm back in Canada with stories to tell from the UK.

00:01:11.240 It's November 7th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:13.720 You're fighting for freedom!

00:01:17.000 Shame on you, you censorious bug!

00:01:20.100 Hi, everybody. It's great to be back in Canada.

00:01:30.700 I think it was important that I went to the UK to cover Tommy Robinson's vindication under the Terrorism Act.

00:01:37.060 I think it's an important global story.

00:01:38.660 I see that X, formerly known as Twitter, actually put out sort of a press release of their own in the form of a post on X, talking about how important that case was for freedom around the world.

00:01:52.280 And I agree with them.

00:01:54.120 Elon Musk, of course, took an interest in the case and paid Tommy's legal fees, which until this year was something that we at Rebel News crowdfunded.

00:02:01.160 So it's a delight and a relief to have that kind of help from the world's most successful entrepreneur.

00:02:07.500 Sure. Um, I think it was an interesting case in that not only did Tommy beat the rap for having broken the law by not giving police his password, it also was the first time I ever remember a judge saying Tommy is being singled out for his political views.

00:02:27.920 He is being persecuted under the law for something that's political or that's journalism.

00:02:33.420 The law is being twisted in a vendetta. The judge didn't use those exact words, but he repeatedly said he couldn't get out of his mind the fact that Tommy was targeted for his politics.

00:02:43.680 It was actually an incredibly important, I would say, a turning point.

00:02:48.420 That was on Tuesday. And then yesterday, Thursday, I went up to Birmingham for the Aston Villa versus Tel Aviv Maccabi game.

00:02:55.420 And I don't think I got the news or the views that I had hoped for, because I decided to go and focus more on the counter protest.

00:03:05.000 What is it like when people in the last ditch are trying to stop mass immigration that is brought with us in anti-Semitism and other social ills?

00:03:14.600 There was such a small turnout by the counter protesters to the Hamas protesters.

00:03:19.180 You know, there was less than 50, I think. And and frankly, the average age amongst them was 65, 60, 65.

00:03:26.960 So it was not energetic. And it was actually sort of sad to me. I was slightly demoralized by it.

00:03:32.620 But today we have some interviews with some of those folks.

00:03:35.380 And then I'm going to talk to Georgia Gil-Hooley, who will give us an update on a latest leaked document from inside the BBC about how that they have a bit an Arabic language BBC, sort of a counterweight to Al Jazeera.

00:03:52.060 But how they have platformed terrorist supporters in the BBC Arabic is worse than the CBC, if you can imagine.

00:03:59.620 Anyways, it's great to be back in Canada. And tonight I'm hopping on a plane to go visit Drea Humphrey and Sidney Fouzard at the ostrich farm.

00:04:10.500 You saw the shocking news. I think the only word for it can be a massacre, the massacre of 400 healthy birds.

00:04:17.860 That's the important point that the regime media typically leaves out.

00:04:21.540 These birds are healthy. And it's just a bizarre adherence to a regulation that said, well, if one bird in the flock is ill, they all have to be killed.

00:04:34.500 They they got better almost a year ago.

00:04:37.720 And I think that madness, that that insistence on on punctiliously following a rule that makes no sense and abusing people's rights, their property rights in the farm, abusing people's privacy, threatening them, imposing a foolish and and denying the possibility of medical research from these birds.

00:05:00.460 It's just so astonishing.

00:05:01.600 I'm going to go out there just to see how things are in the aftermath. So I'll be there tomorrow.

00:05:07.980 I want to thank you for your support for Drea, who's been doing a great job out there really for months, probably done more than 100 stories on these birds.

00:05:16.400 And it has an unhappy ending. But but that's an important thing for the world to know, too, don't you think?

00:05:22.020 Obviously, other great work going on in Canada here, whether it's from Alexa Lavoie, Sheila Gunn-Reed or David Menzies, the rest of our team as well.

00:05:29.780 So anyways, without further ado, here is some more from my trip to the United Kingdom.

00:05:42.060 It's very hard to find this counter protest.

00:05:46.520 And it's this empty parking lot here.

00:05:49.240 There's there's actually no one here. We met one lady wearing a British flag balaclava who said that the Islamification and the no go zoneification of Birmingham is unacceptable.

00:06:01.200 And that's her opinion. And I'm glad she has that opinion. But it's also has been accepted.

00:06:07.160 It is just accepted that Israeli and Jewish fans of a football team are not allowed in this city because they're Israeli and Jewish.

00:06:17.120 And that's just how it is. She may rail against that.

00:06:21.160 She may bemoan it. But demographics are destiny. 0.88

00:06:24.880 And Birmingham is becoming ever more is Islamified. 1.00

00:06:28.420 And I'm not just talking about individual private people practicing their own faith.

00:06:32.540 I'm talking about the public policy of the city is to deny Jews access and to effectively have a boycott on anything Israeli at all.

00:06:42.580 This is the second largest city in the UK. Now, I see a couple of people.

00:06:47.060 If we just turn the mic around over here, I can see it is now grown to three people in a city of more than a million.

00:06:55.880 And I'm not sure if that's because locals have just thrown their hands up in the air and said there's nothing we can do if people are genuinely scared of a riot.

00:07:04.940 And in fairness, there's still 15 minutes to go before the counter protest starts officially.

00:07:10.540 We came up here because I saw a tweet by a GB News presenter who's Jewish.

00:07:16.460 His name is Josh Howey. And he said, I'm going to go and counter protest and no one can stop me.

00:07:22.140 So obviously working with the police, they decided on this empty car park as the place for it.

00:07:29.280 I'm sure he'll be along soon, but there are a handful of journalists here.

00:07:34.580 There's a lot of private security here.

00:07:36.700 Rebel News has four private security, five actually, to make sure we're OK.

00:07:40.920 But other than one, two, three, four people, no one has come to stand athwart the Islamification of Birmingham. 0.98

00:07:50.840 Let me play for you the ad that was published by Islamists last night where they went around Birmingham, 1.00

00:08:00.440 putting up the Palestinian flag and putting up signs saying Zionists are not welcome. 0.72

00:08:06.440 If you see a Zionist, call the police. 1.00

00:08:09.020 You know, just incredibly, I won't say violent language, but threatening language.

00:08:17.340 And the tone and the style of this video is very much in the chanting style of ISIS videos.

00:08:27.020 I don't know if you remember when ISIS was tearing through the Middle East.

00:08:30.820 They had incredible Hollywood-style propaganda videos with chanting prayers in the background.

00:08:37.520 That was the first thing I thought of when I saw this ad promoting Palestinian activism around this football game.

00:08:46.480 It reminded me stylistically and religiously of the ISIS recruitment ads.

00:08:52.460 Take a look.

00:09:07.520 Take a look.

00:09:37.520 We'll wait another 15 minutes and see what happens.

00:09:57.560 I tell you, I thought that there would be hundreds of counter-protesters.

00:10:01.980 So far, it looks like we'll be lucky to have 20.

00:10:04.700 I'll keep you posted.

00:10:05.380 I see you're holding a sign, Act Against Hate Before It's Too Late, March Against Anti-Semitism.

00:10:11.440 Who are you and where did you come from?

00:10:13.340 I'm Jill from Hansworth.

00:10:15.140 How far is that away?

00:10:16.820 Oh, about half a mile, a mile.

00:10:20.280 Not too far.

00:10:21.700 Now, I'm just curious, are you Jewish yourself or are you...

00:10:24.700 No.

00:10:25.500 So why are you here?

00:10:26.700 Are you worried about the state of Birmingham?

00:10:28.220 Well, I think it's appalling that Jews aren't allowed to come to a match.

00:10:35.800 They banned the Maccabi supporters, but they also banned Jewish people from coming.

00:10:42.760 So you can't have no-go zones in a British city.

00:10:46.860 Well, and you're saying that as...

00:10:48.500 Shouldn't have.

00:10:49.060 I was going to say you're saying that as an assertion, but it appears to be happening.

00:10:52.360 Yeah, and all these anti-Semitic posters everywhere.

00:10:57.120 Why don't you tell me who you are and why you're here?

00:10:59.820 Basically, I've been following the British Patriot Movement for quite a while.

00:11:05.880 I support the Jews fully.

00:11:08.720 You're not Jewish yourself. 0.84

00:11:10.020 I'm not actually Jewish myself, but I am in full support.

00:11:12.780 We're pro-Israel, so we're actually on that same side.

00:11:18.900 We don't get on with the pro-Palestine lot, because they're just anti-Semitic, racist,

00:11:27.120 and they're here to cause trouble, basically.

00:11:29.600 And they've organized their protests, so we're just doing a counter-protest

00:11:33.720 to say that it won't be tolerated in Birmingham, and, you know, we will stand up to it.

00:11:39.300 How did you hear about this?

00:11:41.100 Why are you here?

00:11:41.960 What are you trying to do?

00:11:43.340 Okay, I'm just trying to lend my support to the Israel football fans who can't be here

00:11:50.000 for rather specious reasons, in my view, and to show them that they're not forgotten.

00:11:57.640 Well, people are starting to trickle in, which is good.

00:12:00.560 I was worried, because I guess I was here about an hour early.

00:12:03.540 But the man who sort of told me about it, didn't tell me, told the world about it,

00:12:07.880 is Josh Howie, a presenter at GB News, who himself is Jewish, and he decided to take a stand.

00:12:13.920 Josh Howie, thanks for coming to talk to us on Rebel News.

00:12:17.540 Absolute pleasure to be here.

00:12:18.420 Yeah, I didn't know it might just be us.

00:12:21.440 It might be me, but it's not.

00:12:22.880 It's slowly but surely a few more people, as you say, are coming here.

00:12:25.900 Not to make some grand statement and some huge protest, but just when, frankly, Islamists 0.99

00:12:33.940 say Jews are not allowed in this part of the city or even to this city, I felt as a Jew,

00:12:39.780 you know, I'm not into football or anything.

00:12:41.000 I just thought, I've got to come and stand it.

00:12:42.800 Now, they use language carefully.

00:12:46.140 They say, it's just Israelis, just Zionists, oh, and anyone who's ever served in conscription

00:12:51.940 in Israel.

00:12:52.940 So they're trying carefully not to use the word Jew.

00:12:56.720 But more and more it gets dropped.

00:12:58.760 You know, come on, Zionists, it means Jew. 1.00

00:13:01.740 There's no differentiation.

00:13:03.580 But where's the pushback?

00:13:04.900 I sense that in the UK there's a demographic tipping point that I think police, the media,

00:13:11.640 politicians have just decided that there's safety in numbers and the Jewish community

00:13:16.000 is tiny and the number of righteous Gentiles who support the Jews is just outweighed by 1.00

00:13:21.920 the sheer demographics.

00:13:23.420 No, I think that there is a silent majority who, I think the whole point about being British

00:13:27.880 is it's about fairness and people can see and standing up to bullies.

00:13:31.460 So I think that this is what has happened today is that a group of extremist bullies,

00:13:37.380 a thuggish Islamist mob, have done their best to make sure that Jews can't go and watch 1.00

00:13:44.320 a football game.

00:13:45.420 And I think that British people do see that and recognize it.

00:13:49.760 And even our own government do recognize it.

00:13:52.160 It's just sad that local government seems to have, at every step of the way here, allowed

00:13:58.260 themselves to be pushed back just because they wanted an easy life.

00:14:00.280 Oh, yeah, yeah, we'll ban the Israeli fans. 0.91

00:14:05.360 And oh, yeah, then we won't let any Jewish fans come either just to support them.

00:14:09.340 And so let's just make the trouble go away.

00:14:11.640 Well, when you don't stand up to bullies, they're going to demand more and more.

00:14:16.760 I'm looking around.

00:14:17.400 I think there's probably about 40 people here of whom 20 are security or journalists.

00:14:22.380 Where's everybody?

00:14:24.120 Well, they're coming up from London still probably.

00:14:25.640 I like your optimism.

00:14:28.060 It's not size, it's quality.

00:14:29.520 But when it comes to politics, it is quantity, isn't it?

00:14:34.260 It's the number of votes, you know, the demographics.

00:14:38.700 This isn't about votes tonight.

00:14:40.820 It's about making a statement.

00:14:42.840 Right.

00:14:43.020 But the reason Tel Aviv Maccabi was banned was because political power is being granted to

00:14:49.380 people in a democracy.

00:14:51.040 And when you have people who come here who are anti-Semitic, eventually they will flavor

00:14:58.120 the political discussion in the country.

00:15:00.160 Yes, they shouldn't do it.

00:15:00.940 I mean, the MP should run it, not the individuals or sects of the population.

00:15:07.480 People get, they get, MPs get voted in to do the correct thing for the country.

00:15:12.200 But aren't there some MPs running on a lend-your-vote-to-Gaza platform?

00:15:16.660 Yeah, but that's, that's, that's some, they've been voted in.

00:15:20.100 Got to accept it, I'm afraid.

00:15:21.600 That's where we are.

00:15:22.320 But isn't that because the UK has had open borders immigration for 40 years?

00:15:28.200 Oh, not, oh, sorry.

00:15:32.660 Not necessarily.

00:15:34.000 It's because perhaps the authorities over here, whoever's over here, wherever they've

00:15:37.720 come from, they've been controlled properly by the authorities.

00:15:40.980 Whether people from within the country who've born here, rightly be here, they've also behaved 1.00

00:15:46.000 in, I think, not a great way.

00:15:47.660 So this is where we came in from about 45 minutes ago.

00:15:51.560 And we had to walk through a gauntlet of police trucks, police cars, and there's probably

00:15:58.100 a hundred police just to get off the road, find your way to this little back parking lot

00:16:04.480 to find the, the muster place for the Jewish counter-protest.

00:16:09.420 It's 619 now, so I think most people who are coming will be here, and it's well under

00:16:16.660 a hundred.

00:16:17.080 I just wanted to show you the gauntlet that was needed in the police mine to protect these

00:16:28.260 folks from a potential encounter with the pro-Palestine folks who are on the other side

00:16:34.500 of the grounds.

00:16:36.620 There's absolutely no risk here, but there is a walkway, and I, the people are going

00:16:43.440 to the game, and someone shouted, fascist.

00:16:46.940 I'm not sure what that meant, other than disagreement.

00:16:49.600 But so far, not a lot of action at the counter-protest here.

00:16:52.580 Now, you're holding a flag that is the Israeli Defense Force flag, and why are you doing that?

00:16:57.100 I've helped out in the last couple of years with Israel, supporting Israel.

00:17:03.200 I've done volunteering.

00:17:06.200 And I'm a proud British Joe, and I am not going to be stopped being able to go anywhere in

00:17:12.980 this country.

00:17:13.580 Now, I was listening to a lot of the local politicians, including the MPs from the Len

00:17:20.500 Gaza, your vote, and Ahmed Yakub, who's a bit of a rabble-rouser, and I sense that they 1.00

00:17:26.700 think the Israel Defense Forces are war criminals, and I think that they would probably say this 1.00

00:17:32.540 flag is Islamophobic and a crime. 0.51

00:17:35.500 That's their thinking that they've used to ban the Israeli team.

00:17:39.240 Are you worried that simply showing this flag could one day be illegal in the UK?

00:17:45.440 Well, not under my watch.

00:17:47.760 This is not a terrorist flag.

00:17:49.820 This is an army flag.

00:17:52.180 We're defending our country, have a right to defend our borders.

00:17:56.280 You know, I am pro-Israel.

00:17:58.440 I'm a Zionist.

00:17:59.200 My daughter lives in Israel, and I'm proud to hold this flag anywhere.

00:18:04.040 I'm not, I don't think it will be banned.

00:18:06.440 I'm quite happy to say I've volunteered for the Israeli army.

00:18:10.760 I've helped out in the, you know, it's this government.

00:18:14.000 This government is a nightmare.

00:18:16.580 Which is the federal, the national government?

00:18:18.200 Yes, Labour.

00:18:19.480 Isn't the demographics really the destiny here? 0.60

00:18:22.180 I mean, you may say you don't put up with it, but mass immigration and a radicalization, 0.99

00:18:28.620 that tells me that the destiny of Birmingham is to become maybe a no-go zone for Jews. 0.97

00:18:33.580 Well, yeah, it's very dangerous out there for the Jews at the moment, which is disgusting, 1.00

00:18:38.260 because you've got all these pro-Palestine people pushing their agenda onto everyone else.

00:18:45.580 And it's just basically, it's not acceptable.

00:18:49.340 And they're just like, they want to push their agenda onto everyone else, and that's not fair.

00:18:53.320 In a democracy, I mean, there are some non-negotiable freedoms, but politicians follow the herd.

00:19:00.120 Oh, well, our prime minister banning, supporting Palestine as a state. 0.97

00:19:06.540 Right.

00:19:06.740 Well, I mean, what should...

00:19:11.480 Miami, you know.

00:19:12.680 The foreign minister.

00:19:14.120 You know, being anti-Semitic.

00:19:16.140 And schools are...

00:19:18.480 I don't know about the police, but they let it go.

00:19:21.380 They allow people to shout anti-Semitic slogans.

00:19:27.260 And London every week.

00:19:29.020 And they just let it go, because they're scared.

00:19:31.380 And here, the people who, the councillors who stopped the Maccabi people coming,

00:19:42.060 one of the, they were Muslim, at least two of them were,

00:19:45.880 and one of them was in trouble because he was insisting on prepubescent little girls wearing a hijab

00:19:53.620 when they didn't have to.

00:19:55.980 He wanted it in the school.

00:19:57.160 So he's got...

00:19:58.600 And our, um...

00:20:01.160 Ayub Khan is our local MP.

00:20:04.200 He's the one who said, lend your vote to Gaza, right? 0.75

00:20:06.940 Yeah.

00:20:07.840 Yeah.

00:20:08.220 Well, I mean...

00:20:08.860 It's quite frightening.

00:20:10.240 Well, you're not Muslim yourself. 0.92

00:20:12.080 You look like an indigenous Brit, so to speak. 0.91

00:20:14.780 Um, is it over?

00:20:17.340 Like, is it just irreversible?

00:20:20.000 Well, with this government, I think so.

00:20:22.340 They don't seem to want to do anything.

00:20:24.380 Uh, Keir Starmer said, um, well, this shouldn't be right.

00:20:29.200 We must stop it.

00:20:30.320 And they just allowed it to happen.

00:20:32.240 This is a great country.

00:20:34.880 And, um, the British public will not be pushed around by radicals in any direction.

00:20:40.820 And most specifically, uh, they are not anti-Semitic by nature or...

00:20:46.760 I know you're right, um, morally.

00:20:49.360 But, you know, I, I look around at, and I see all the arrows pointing in the same direction.

00:20:56.320 To me, the only thing that might stop it would be perhaps a change in the government.

00:21:01.300 Do you think Nigel Farage would change the course on some of these things?

00:21:05.240 Yes, I think he probably would, but that doesn't necessarily mean that one can support all his policies.

00:21:11.480 We can support what, sorry?

00:21:12.660 One can't necessarily support all his policies, even though he may change the body politic.

00:21:16.860 Well, I mean, this seems like a pretty existential issue.

00:21:22.820 And it's one that I feel like there's a monopoly on the conversation.

00:21:27.040 Most of the mainstream media doesn't want to talk about it.

00:21:29.300 There's some exceptions.

00:21:30.600 But I feel like a lot of the problems from mass immigration are downplayed for ideological reasons.

00:21:35.920 What do you think of that?

00:21:37.840 Yes, I think they have been.

00:21:39.160 And I think they no longer should be.

00:21:40.440 They framed it like, oh, it's to do with Israeli football hooligans, even though there's been no instance of the past year.

00:21:46.880 And the incident that happened in Amsterdam was actually them being attacked by local Arabs in a pre-planned Jew hunt. 0.60

00:21:53.480 But you're right, the demographics are changing, and that's why it's important for people to take a stand now.

00:22:00.680 Because as soon as the Israeli fans were banned, it was like, oh, now we're going to ban the Israeli team.

00:22:05.660 Now we're going to ban all the Israelis. 1.00

00:22:07.680 Now let's ban all the Jews. 1.00

00:22:08.900 So this is what they want.

00:22:10.400 The posters have been put up around the city last night.

00:22:13.320 Zionists, baby killers. 1.00

00:22:14.960 I mean, this is not the first time we've heard that language.

00:22:18.260 We've heard it a thousand years ago where Jews were kicked out of this country.

00:22:21.140 And I don't want that to happen again.

00:22:22.300 I'm British, and I'm very proud of that.

00:22:23.640 And I'm Jewish, and I'm proud of that.

00:22:24.980 Here in Birmingham, I mean, the Muslim population is so large, and it seems to be catering to any Israel and anti-Semitic population.

00:22:35.740 Like, the demographics in Birmingham are so overwhelming, aren't they?

00:22:39.160 I mean, there's only 2,000 Jews in the whole city, and it's almost 50% Muslim.

00:22:43.700 Aren't they?

00:22:44.460 Isn't it really the demographic destiny of Birmingham to be a no-go zone for Jews? 1.00

00:22:49.300 Absolutely not.

00:22:50.960 There will never be a no-go zone for myself and my Jewish people ever.

00:22:55.300 England will be a safe place.

00:22:57.180 We are rising up.

00:22:58.960 This is not 1939.

00:23:01.400 I will not be scared to walk the streets.

00:23:03.940 I am not afraid to be Jewish, and I will walk proud as being an English Jew.

00:23:09.220 A lot of Jews would not be here if countries hadn't opened their borders 100 years ago, or we would have died in the Holocaust. 0.83

00:23:17.680 So, of course, there's going to be a sympathy for it, but it's about who do you control to come into your country,

00:23:23.780 and also what contribution that people make, and how we then fit together as a society.

00:23:29.660 What we're talking about here is about cultural issues, about the thing about being British is that we are accepting,

00:23:37.080 and that there is this focus on fairness, and tolerance.

00:23:44.060 But what we're talking about here are intolerant people, intolerant Islamists who are saying, 0.83

00:23:49.680 no, we don't want Jews in our city. 1.00

00:23:53.860 Pew Research does surveys all over the world, polls,

00:23:57.800 and there are countries, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, places where there really aren't any Jews,

00:24:03.060 that are 95% plus anti-Semitic.

00:24:06.860 So, by definition, if you're bringing in people from rural Pakistan, from Bangladesh,

00:24:11.720 by definition, you're bringing in anti-Semites.

00:24:15.320 It's just a scientific, statistical fact.

00:24:19.140 And I don't know if the Jews have had enough yet, 1.00

00:24:21.740 because until the community says no more immigration,

00:24:26.000 I think you're missing the first-order problem.

00:24:29.320 Banning an Israeli team is a secondary problem rooted in the first problem.

00:24:34.120 Well, it's about having control of immigration,

00:24:40.140 and you're right.

00:24:40.640 From certain parts of the world, it's a cultural issue where, let's just be real,

00:24:44.280 they hate Jews.

00:24:45.060 I mean, that's the reality of it.

00:24:47.420 And there are terrible other social issues, misogyny, homophobia.

00:24:55.260 That is not what it is about within the UK.

00:24:58.000 That is not what being British is about. 0.99

00:24:59.680 Being British is about live and let live.

00:25:03.020 And when you are importing certain cultures then who aren't about tolerance, 0.70

00:25:09.940 of course there's going to be a flashpoint.

00:25:11.620 And I believe tonight is one of those flashpoints.

00:25:14.560 I don't think that we're going to be allowed much closer than this,

00:25:18.180 and I think that's probably wise.

00:25:19.480 I don't know the size of the pro-Hamas protests tonight.

00:25:23.460 We have been corralled in different places for our own protection.

00:25:26.780 I believe that when the police say that, by the way.

00:25:29.060 I'm curious how many people Ahmed Yakub and the other radicals were able to muster.

00:25:36.560 I can't really object too loudly and too strenuously to the police

00:25:40.020 courting us off and putting us behind a cage, really.

00:25:44.300 I can't really argue with that when I know the violence that could happen

00:25:47.600 were the two sides to meet.

00:25:49.660 First of all, you know, the pro-Israel protest is tiny.

00:25:54.760 How big is the pro-Palestinian protest tonight?

00:25:57.940 Well, I've just got around this side, and it's probably about 30, 40 times the size.

00:26:03.440 And that's me understating it.

00:26:05.080 So maybe like 5,000 people?

00:26:07.740 Probably about 2,000, 2,500.

00:26:09.880 2,500, okay.

00:26:11.120 Well, that's less than I had perhaps thought.

00:26:13.580 Are they violent or are they just noisy?

00:26:16.920 They've said some violent things to me today.

00:26:19.260 Have they targeted you?

00:26:21.480 Not targeted me per se.

00:26:23.200 I mean, I've kept my identity quite quiet, but they've made some violent threats to Jews

00:26:28.860 coming here today.

00:26:29.720 Not just Israelis, just Jews. 0.98

00:26:32.200 Yeah.

00:26:32.760 I spoke to someone earlier who said that if a Jew dares turn up at this match,

00:26:36.820 then they're going to get in this new roadman dialect stamped.

00:26:39.840 So, wow.

00:26:42.800 I mean, we're talking through this metal fence because the police have, I think, correctly

00:26:46.840 estimated that if this small number of Jews comes into contact with that large number

00:26:51.100 of pro-Palestine activists, there could be violence.

00:26:55.320 Yeah, the thing is, I know that a lot of people in this crowd through my work,

00:26:59.760 and they're not going to be scared to go the other side.

00:27:02.560 I don't think they should, but they, yeah.

00:27:06.360 So what do you mean by that?

00:27:07.320 So, I mean, I was just saying that Tel Aviv Maccabi has no fans here today.

00:27:11.980 What do the old school Aston Villa's fan think?

00:27:15.240 I think most of the old school Aston Villa fans are just a bit fed up that this is ruining

00:27:20.520 their game.

00:27:22.000 Turning their game into a football, so to speak.

00:27:24.800 Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.

00:27:25.820 A football game turned into a football.

00:27:27.500 Yeah, but I think they, yeah, they're a bit fed up with it.

00:27:30.660 What do you think about the political quarrel tonight?

00:27:34.100 Oh, I ain't really fussed.

00:27:35.780 You're not fussed?

00:27:36.740 I just want to play the football, man, that's it.

00:27:38.460 Yeah, have you, the game starts in about an hour?

00:27:40.660 Exactly.

00:27:42.020 Do you think the, do you think the Tel Aviv team should be banned from coming to Birmingham?

00:27:46.340 No, they should come, man, 100%.

00:27:48.440 Yeah.

00:27:49.560 Well, do you think the politicians that got the petition to block the Israeli team?

00:27:55.080 No, do you think that, what do you think about the politicians?

00:28:00.640 What do you think about the politicians who managed to get the Israeli fans kept out?

00:28:03.600 No, you should come.

00:28:04.900 You should get in there.

00:28:05.660 It's not his TV.

00:28:06.760 I don't understand why you haven't got in the stadium, to be fair.

00:28:10.500 Well, do you think that there, if some Jews or Israelis came, do you think they'd be at

00:28:14.400 any risk?

00:28:15.920 No.

00:28:16.180 All right, a couple of actual Aston Villa fans.

00:28:19.160 I get the feeling, again, I don't know Birmingham at all, this is my first time here.

00:28:23.020 I get the feeling that Ahmed Yacoub and some of the other lend your vote to Gaza politicians.

00:28:28.760 I'd be surprised if they've actually attended a single game in their lives.

00:28:32.440 And I think we need to drive a wedge.

00:28:35.300 We need to show that these people are stirring up trouble.

00:28:40.900 People like Ahmed Yacoub, these people, who do they represent?

00:28:47.300 They don't represent anybody.

00:28:49.020 And what they're doing is they're putting out social media posts, trying to drive division,

00:28:53.640 trying to whip up the idea that somehow Jews and Israelis are the instigators of trouble,

00:28:59.920 putting up placards of posters, which you've probably seen on the lab post here, saying

00:29:04.100 Zionists, baby killers, all this kind of thing. 1.00

00:29:07.020 And they are the people that are driving the wedge.

00:29:09.160 And we need to call them out because they are the people causing trouble.

00:29:12.940 And they are the people that are creating division within our country.

00:29:17.620 You know, we often hear about two-tier in policing and with the government and amongst

00:29:23.360 other institutions, but I don't believe that it's two-tier.

00:29:28.400 I believe that it's policy of appeasement.

00:29:31.700 Britain has failed to understand and learn from its history that appeasement never works.

00:29:38.240 In fact, it always leads to a very, very bad place.

00:29:42.400 Do you think the bulk of the fans have the sportsmanlike attitude that you do?

00:29:46.920 Hopefully, yeah.

00:29:47.800 You know, we're here, I'm here every game, every home game, same as the power here.

00:29:51.280 You know, there's 42,000 hopefully under the roof cheering us on.

00:29:54.420 I was going to say, is it full or with the...

00:29:57.400 I don't know.

00:29:57.900 I don't know.

00:29:58.360 I don't think it's too full today, but that's another comment about the ticket prices.

00:30:01.980 But, yeah, hopefully everyone gets behind the team and hopefully it's a big three points.

00:30:07.040 A step closer to the top eight, I think it is, top eight.

00:30:09.580 But, yeah, I think it's good.

00:30:11.680 We're going to win 3-0 tonight, yeah.

00:30:14.460 That's pretty, you know, in football terms or soccer, where I come from, that's a pretty

00:30:18.240 big margin of victory.

00:30:19.660 Yeah, it is, yeah, yeah.

00:30:20.760 But I'm confident.

00:30:22.280 Is Aston Villa that favourite in the odds makers?

00:30:24.860 I don't know about the odds, mate.

00:30:26.260 But, yeah, definitely.

00:30:27.280 I think we'll do it tonight.

00:30:28.880 Now, how do you feel about the game proceeding?

00:30:30.220 I mean, listen, you play with teams from all over the world.

00:30:34.640 How do you feel about the match tonight?

00:30:38.280 Sports, sport?

00:30:39.740 It's just a guy in the name.

00:30:41.120 There's got to be 100 police officers that are now flanking the small pro-Israel, pro-Jewish

00:30:46.980 crowd.

00:30:48.100 It's literally a wall of men, women, and steel, which is sad in a way.

00:30:55.260 One of our private security suggested to me that if there was going to be an issue,

00:31:00.000 it would happen in this walk from the stadium out.

00:31:04.940 We heard earlier, oh, we're about to march along with the cops.

00:31:09.600 Let's do it.

00:31:11.260 What's the objective today?

00:31:13.960 We want to make sure people in the rest of the country realise that there's this very

00:31:20.300 strong drive against Israel, a very strong drive to try and exclude Israel from sport,

00:31:27.480 from culture, from politics.

00:31:30.360 And although people are presenting what's happened recently with Maccabee Tel Aviv as

00:31:34.720 just about the fans and just about behaviour, it's actually part of this whole drive to

00:31:40.200 keep, to isolate Israel and to turn Israel into a pariah state. 0.88

00:31:43.460 So we want to make sure people know that.

00:31:45.540 And this is not how we do things here.

00:31:46.860 Now, what's the difference between activists on the other side who would say this isn't

00:31:52.060 anti-Semitic, this is just against Israel's politics?

00:31:55.660 What would you say to that?

00:31:56.600 I would say that that very definitely is anti-Semitic. 0.89

00:31:59.180 I mean, number one, the most obvious point is Israel is the only Jewish state in the world. 0.85

00:32:03.700 So it's a bit of a coincidence that they're choosing to target Israel. 0.81

00:32:09.240 But also, I think the consequence, the knock-on effect of all the things they're doing is

00:32:14.220 to tarnish and tar Jewish and Israeli people and to, well, like I said earlier, to treat 1.00

00:32:22.300 them as pariahs.

00:32:23.080 So a simple example is one of the things that they're doing, you'll see on the placards that

00:32:28.200 are up on the lampposts around here, they're targeting the IDF.

00:32:32.360 They're saying that the IDF is somehow, should we head to the right?

00:32:35.960 So the IDF is somehow a more dangerous and malign army than any other. 0.94

00:32:43.780 And what that does is it means that any person in Britain who has a relative who's in the

00:32:48.400 IDF, any person in Britain who has a young relative who served in the IDF and maybe fought

00:32:55.520 on October the 7th and defended people from invasion, is now suddenly classed as somehow

00:33:01.400 a kind of a barbarian or something and a dangerous genocidal maniac. 0.77

00:33:06.960 And it's shocking because everybody is entitled to be proud of their army.

00:33:11.380 They're entitled to be proud of their flag.

00:33:13.900 So it is anti-Semitic because what they're doing is they're making a special case out of 0.89

00:33:17.900 Israel and they're making a special case out of Jews and Israelis.

00:33:21.360 Whether there's a future for Jews in Britain, that's not for me to say.

00:33:24.860 I hope there is.

00:33:26.020 I'm not Jewish. 0.55

00:33:26.740 I'm not Israeli.

00:33:28.280 But I hope that we can keep fighting and ensure that people feel like there is a home

00:33:33.560 for them here.

00:33:34.240 For the first half of what you said, though, I don't really agree with.

00:33:36.760 I think the people like the politicians, Ayub Khan, for example, who reflects, who is one

00:33:46.740 of the drivers for keeping Maccabi Tel Aviv out.

00:33:49.440 I don't know if they do reflect the ordinary, everyday Muslim in this country.

00:33:54.760 Some of the extreme views that they're promoting, I don't know if they do reflect them.

00:33:59.300 Well, I've seen marches of 100,000 people saying shocking things.

00:34:05.080 I mean, that's at least 100,000 people.

00:34:07.580 I mean, I don't know if it's a million, but it's 100,000.

00:34:09.460 They're all shouting in unity.

00:34:10.620 I think the problem is that if you simply assume that everybody's thinking the same, then

00:34:15.580 it does lead automatically to your second point, which is, well, why are they staying in Britain?

00:34:19.600 Whereas, if you say, look, these politicians are actually creating division, they're creating

00:34:27.500 a sort of a widening gap between people, then at least there's a possibility there of finding

00:34:33.780 the moderate Muslims who themselves are being victims of this extremist ideology.

00:34:39.540 Last question, and thanks so much for your time.

00:34:42.080 I understand that the police increased their deployment from 700 to 1,000 cops, and we're

00:34:48.280 walking, there's more cops around us than there are protesters.

00:34:51.880 Isn't that a sign that if left to their own devices, this city would do violence to the Jews?

00:34:58.920 I don't know.

00:35:00.000 I mean, I didn't know that they'd increased to 1,000.

00:35:03.720 I knew that they would do it.

00:35:04.320 Even if it's 700, even if it's 700, isn't that shocking?

00:35:06.920 Yeah, well, it is shocking.

00:35:08.140 I mean, my take on it is that it shows that they could have facilitated the original plan,

00:35:13.800 which was for the Maccabi Tel Aviv fans to appear here.

00:35:18.280 And to enjoy the game.

00:35:19.780 So they could have done it.

00:35:21.240 Obviously, if the will was there, they would have done it.

00:35:23.840 Obviously, resources, they have.

00:35:27.040 Can you tell me your full name and the name of your organization?

00:35:29.340 Sure.

00:35:29.660 My name is Mark Berbeck, B-I-R-B-E-C-K.

00:35:33.000 And our campaign is called Our Fight.

00:35:35.640 For the last 10 minutes or so, the crowd of, it can't even be 50 people, of counter-protesters

00:35:41.660 has been marched, walked, block by block with the escort of probably 100 police.

00:35:49.040 They were keeping an eye peeled for youth, mainly, who might have been along the path.

00:35:54.780 A lot of the stores along the way had young Muslim proprietors that the police asked them

00:36:00.800 to stand in the shops just to make sure that no one, you know, inadvertently had an interaction.

00:36:09.160 In a way, it's very sad.

00:36:10.980 The Jewish community in the city is quite small.

00:36:15.820 And the number of non-Jewish allies who came out tonight, it was small as well.

00:36:22.840 I don't think the police would have had this many forces out if they didn't think there was a need for it.

00:36:29.940 I mean, part of it is a deterrent.

00:36:31.680 You see 100 cops like that, you're not going to start anything.

00:36:34.920 But I actually really think that they were necessary.

00:36:39.460 From what I could tell, there were no incidents,

00:36:42.580 certainly between the counter-protesters and the main protesters,

00:36:45.820 I spoke to a Jewish journalist who had been with the pro-Hamas, pro-Palestinian protesters.

00:36:50.960 He estimated the number at several thousand.

00:36:53.840 I think with the policing that they had here tonight,

00:36:56.900 I don't know, maybe they could have held the line and not caved in

00:37:00.100 to extremist elements that demanded that the Israeli team be banned from bringing their fans.

00:37:06.740 I don't know.

00:37:07.180 I mean, just look at this mass number.

00:37:09.300 This is an enormous effort, an enormous cost.

00:37:13.480 And it's not something that can be done all the time.

00:37:17.100 I think this was a symbolic evening for the police,

00:37:20.540 but it's not something that could be replicated every week, let's say.

00:37:24.140 I think if there's a staring contest, an endurance contest,

00:37:27.140 between the radical activists who got the Israeli team fans banned

00:37:32.120 and the city of Birmingham and their capacity to pay for this police,

00:37:37.800 I think the radicals will win.

00:37:40.100 I'm going to guess tonight's policing costs more than a million pounds.

00:37:44.120 Anyways, it feels good to be so safe,

00:37:47.340 but it's also tragic that you need this kind of safety.

00:37:51.540 Last comment.

00:37:52.260 Watch out here.

00:37:52.940 I was recently, a year ago, I was in Budapest, Hungary,

00:38:00.700 which has a fair-sized Jewish community these days.

00:38:05.220 And I went to the largest synagogue in Budapest,

00:38:09.820 and there was no guard at the door.

00:38:11.740 The door was open.

00:38:12.840 There was nothing there.

00:38:14.500 I also didn't see any anti-Semitic graffiti.

00:38:20.020 I didn't see any Palestine flags.

00:38:23.880 And I interviewed some kids who were outside the synagogue,

00:38:26.720 and they said it's easy to be Jewish in Budapest.

00:38:30.060 I don't think it's easy to be Jewish in Birmingham anymore.

00:38:32.060 Well, it's just after 8 p.m. local time,

00:38:34.620 which means the match between Aston Villa and Tel Aviv Maccabi

00:38:37.940 has officially started, and I think that gets lost in the shuffle.

00:38:41.680 It is a sports event, and obviously, everyone who was there tonight,

00:38:47.080 with perhaps a couple of exceptions of people who went as agents,

00:38:50.600 provocateurs, everyone there wanted to see the match.

00:38:53.300 If you didn't believe in the match, you wouldn't be there.

00:38:56.040 And so the only normal people who I encountered tonight

00:38:59.580 were the Aston Villa fans.

00:39:02.160 Now, the rest of the evening was made up by a wall of police.

00:39:06.260 I understand, in the end, West Midlands police deputized

00:39:09.020 more than 1,000 police to, first of all,

00:39:13.580 counter the threat of the Islamic extremists 0.98

00:39:16.720 who were whipped up by the Lend Gaza Your Vote politicians

00:39:20.920 who got Israel banished in the first place. 0.83

00:39:23.580 So I understand from talking to another journalist I encountered

00:39:26.480 that there was maybe 2,500 of those Islamic extremists,

00:39:30.300 and the police were overwhelmingly on that side of things.

00:39:33.560 But I actually attended because I wanted to see

00:39:36.120 what the anti-Hamas side had to say.

00:39:39.740 And the first thing I can report is that it was tiny.

00:39:42.620 There was less than 100 people.

00:39:44.540 If I'm candid, it was probably more like 50 people.

00:39:47.760 Some of them were Jewish.

00:39:48.700 Some of them were righteous Gentiles. 1.00

00:39:51.260 I'll say this also.

00:39:53.660 Demographically, the average age of the pro-Israel,

00:39:57.460 anti-anti-Semites was probably 65.

00:40:00.800 I didn't see myself any of the pro-Islamic, pro-Palestinian side,

00:40:07.540 but I'm going to guess the average age of them was 25.

00:40:10.820 And I say that because that's just the demographic reality

00:40:13.340 where half of the young people in Birmingham are Muslim.

00:40:17.440 Now, I'm not just saying that to be Muslim is to be anti-Semitic,

00:40:20.400 although my friend Tommy Robinson would point out

00:40:22.560 that there are anti-Semitic parts of the Koran.

00:40:24.440 But when you have half a million Muslims in a city, 1.00

00:40:30.100 even if only 1% of them are radicalized,

00:40:33.260 well, you have thousands of people.

00:40:35.700 And it's just the path of least resistance

00:40:37.480 to bend to the will of those thousands

00:40:40.780 rather than the, I think there's 2,000 Jews left in Birmingham.

00:40:45.180 It is a case of demographic change.

00:40:48.140 I started off tonight by talking about this magnificent old church here.

00:40:52.060 But that's the past. The future is mosques. 1.00

00:40:55.280 It wouldn't surprise me if within 50 years

00:40:58.060 this beautiful church becomes a mosque

00:41:00.980 that's happening across Europe.

00:41:03.540 Now, the football match is afoot,

00:41:05.140 and it looks like there was no big riots.

00:41:06.820 The police managed to keep the small Jewish contingent

00:41:09.320 physically away from the pro-Hamas side.

00:41:12.460 In fact, the two never even saw each other,

00:41:14.480 let alone could meet.

00:41:15.980 You can see what I think is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,

00:41:19.360 probably a dozen police vans

00:41:22.760 with, I don't know, perhaps more equipment

00:41:25.540 or more riot police on standby.

00:41:29.180 Luckily, as far as I know,

00:41:30.480 they were never deployed tonight.

00:41:31.680 I made a decision to stay with the counter-protesters

00:41:37.000 because when I saw some of the madness

00:41:39.340 that has happened in Birmingham

00:41:41.420 and when I saw some of the whipping up

00:41:43.780 by some of the extremist politicians,

00:41:45.500 I didn't know what to expect.

00:41:46.780 I wore my stab vest,

00:41:48.300 and I learned a few things

00:41:49.240 about how to properly wear it and how not to.

00:41:51.720 Anyways, I just thought to myself,

00:41:53.740 I'm not going to take any risks.

00:41:55.340 And we actually had, in the end,

00:41:56.900 five security guards with us.

00:41:59.100 I don't think we needed it in the end

00:42:01.420 because we had hundreds of police around us.

00:42:03.620 But you never know when you're in the UK.

00:42:07.140 I'm sort of sad with what's happened

00:42:08.920 because the amount of effort

00:42:10.740 the police put into

00:42:11.920 allowing tonight's football match to happen

00:42:14.840 was so enormous.

00:42:16.900 I don't think it's going to happen on a regular basis.

00:42:18.960 I just don't know if the police

00:42:20.060 have the resources or the will.

00:42:22.820 I think they just put on a show

00:42:24.320 to allow this one event to happen.

00:42:26.160 But I think in the future,

00:42:27.720 between the exhaustion of the institutions

00:42:30.820 and the growth of the Islamic demographic,

00:42:34.240 I really think that Birmingham will be,

00:42:37.700 I don't know,

00:42:38.120 I keep thinking the word ethnically cleansed. 0.99

00:42:40.080 There are barely any Jews here to begin with.

00:42:43.060 But those that are, I think,

00:42:44.360 those that are young enough

00:42:45.280 will probably move out

00:42:46.540 or live really a closeted lifestyle.

00:42:49.760 I mean, I think the threat to the Jews can be acute

00:42:54.100 like the attack on the Manchester synagogue

00:42:56.540 a few weeks ago.

00:42:58.100 But I think it's actually the drumming,

00:43:00.540 the constant berating

00:43:02.780 and the constant demonization

00:43:04.440 that if you are a Jew, you're evil.

00:43:07.220 If you're a Zionist, you're evil. 1.00

00:43:09.260 If you are a Jew, you have participated in genocide. 0.73

00:43:11.980 All these inversions.

00:43:12.760 It was the Jews who suffered a genocide

00:43:15.420 under the Holocaust.

00:43:17.000 It was the Jews who sought refuge. 0.80

00:43:20.340 The irony is that some of the language

00:43:22.360 used by the Islamic politicians

00:43:23.760 who canceled the Israeli team's fans,

00:43:26.620 they invoked the language of the Holocaust

00:43:28.480 for themselves,

00:43:29.660 implying that the Jews were somehow a threat

00:43:31.480 to the Muslim people of Birmingham.

00:43:33.660 And I think that's the crazy part.

00:43:36.000 They won.

00:43:37.720 The Israeli team fans were not allowed.

00:43:41.460 And yet the city still needed to deploy 1,000 cops.

00:43:44.860 You know why that is, and I know why that is.

00:43:48.140 I'm glad I came here, but I'm sad.

00:43:50.040 I'm sad because my grandmother, by the way,

00:43:52.720 was born in the UK.

00:43:54.440 And I'm sort of glad she didn't live to see

00:43:56.760 what's happening to the Jews of the UK.

00:43:59.480 And listen, it's Jews first. 1.00

00:44:01.600 It's Gentiles second. 1.00

00:44:02.680 I mean, there are no Jews 1.00

00:44:06.280 in many of the places in the world

00:44:08.520 where anti-Semitism is at its highest peak.

00:44:11.560 There, radical Islam turns into anti-Christianism. 0.60

00:44:16.220 Whether it's the Christians in Nigeria 0.96

00:44:19.780 or the waning Christians in Lebanon,

00:44:24.200 the tiny number of Christians left in Palestine,

00:44:27.380 it's often Islam that drives out those Christians. 0.99

00:44:31.380 Egypt used to be a Christian country.

00:44:33.380 Iraq used to be Christian.

00:44:35.580 Syria, Lebanon, they're no longer that way.

00:44:39.580 I don't know.

00:44:40.140 These are heavy things to talk about.

00:44:41.600 And maybe there's just so many wonderful things to enjoy,

00:44:44.380 like a nice football match.

00:44:45.860 But at the end of the day,

00:44:46.840 I think these are civilizational battles.

00:44:49.280 I'm glad I stayed out here.

00:44:50.400 I came to the UK to live-tweet Tommy Robinson's trial,

00:44:55.640 his judgment day on Tuesday.

00:44:57.780 I'm really glad I came.

00:44:58.700 And I decided to stick around two more days for tonight.

00:45:02.000 I kept it quiet because I didn't want to telegraph

00:45:04.240 in advance that I would be here

00:45:05.520 in case we would be at risk from rioters.

00:45:08.020 But in the end, that risk didn't present.

00:45:10.560 Anyways, I'll keep coming to the UK from time to time

00:45:12.600 and to Ireland from time to time and other places

00:45:14.700 because what happens in these places now

00:45:17.420 will happen in our country later.

00:45:19.860 To see all my reports on this subject,

00:45:21.840 go to rebelfieldreports.com.

00:45:24.320 And until next time, from all of us at Rebel

00:45:26.940 to you at home, good night

00:45:28.940 and keep fighting for freedom.

00:45:30.840 Well, the BBC, if you think the CBC is bad,

00:45:42.220 the British Broadcasting Corporation is worse.

00:45:44.900 In so many ways, you know my personal stories

00:45:46.660 about one of their reporters, Dominique Casciani,

00:45:49.480 literally reporting me to police

00:45:52.100 because of my live tweets from court.

00:45:54.620 Just astonishing.

00:45:55.720 I mean, that is so next level.

00:45:57.360 Even Canadian journalists are not that bad.

00:46:00.380 But it's been a bad week or two for the BBC.

00:46:03.240 First, there was a crazy report

00:46:05.100 that one of their flagship programs called Panorama,

00:46:08.620 that's their version of 60 Minutes,

00:46:11.240 that they were caught doctoring a video

00:46:14.060 of what Donald Trump allegedly said on January 6th.

00:46:18.260 And they would cut and splice and hide their edits

00:46:21.540 to use his real words,

00:46:23.600 but take them and rearrange them.

00:46:26.540 An absolute scandal.

00:46:28.120 Here's a little bit of British coverage

00:46:30.180 of that stunning event.

00:46:32.560 They played the following clip.

00:46:35.000 We're going to walk down to the Capitol

00:46:38.040 and I'll be there with you.

00:46:40.440 And we fight.

00:46:42.020 We fight like hell.

00:46:43.940 But Trump didn't, in fact, say this at all.

00:46:46.860 The BBC spliced together two clips

00:46:50.460 that took place 54 minutes apart.

00:46:53.760 So let's go through it again.

00:46:57.380 We're going to walk down to the Capitol

00:47:00.500 and I'll be there with you.

00:47:03.080 Now, see there, between Capitol and, and,

00:47:07.400 that's a cut.

00:47:08.640 Here's what Trump actually said.

00:47:10.340 We're going to walk down to the Capitol

00:47:12.780 and we're going to cheer on our brave senators

00:47:19.540 and congressmen and women.

00:47:22.200 It's different.

00:47:23.660 It wasn't until nearly an hour later

00:47:25.760 that he then said the second part of the BBC's version.

00:47:29.500 We're going to walk down to the Capitol

00:47:32.000 and we fight.

00:47:38.100 We fight like hell.

00:47:39.380 It's amazing to me.

00:47:40.580 It took four, four years for that fact to come to light.

00:47:44.000 The BBC, by the way, has a whole block of people

00:47:47.660 they call BBC Verify.

00:47:49.220 These are the fact checkers.

00:47:50.960 For some reason, BBC Verify has not yet verified

00:47:54.300 the lie on Panorama.

00:47:55.900 That's how the week started.

00:47:57.940 But now there's a dossier, a leaked internal dossier

00:48:02.720 by the BBC that acknowledges serious editorial failures

00:48:06.900 in BBC Arabic.

00:48:09.340 As you may know, the BBC operates in many languages.

00:48:12.360 Canada's CBC operates in English and French.

00:48:14.900 The BBC has a large foreign network in Arabic.

00:48:18.600 You can only imagine who they've been hiring

00:48:21.000 and how that has affected their coverage

00:48:23.660 of Israel and Gaza over the last two years.

00:48:26.240 Joining us now from the UK to talk about this

00:48:29.300 is a writer at CAMERA,

00:48:31.300 which is the Committee for Accuracy

00:48:33.040 in Middle East Reporting and Analysis.

00:48:35.440 Georgia Gil-Uli joins us now.

00:48:37.800 Georgia, great to see you.

00:48:38.700 Thanks for taking the time to be here.

00:48:41.360 Thanks for inviting me.

00:48:43.040 Tell me a little bit about the dossier.

00:48:45.420 First of all, who wrote it?

00:48:46.920 I understand it's an internal critique of the BBC.

00:48:50.620 I'm surprised such a thing even exists.

00:48:53.580 Is there, like, who would be the whistleblower?

00:48:56.140 Who was trying to tell the world,

00:48:58.220 or who was trying to wake up the BBC to its own flaws?

00:49:00.480 So, of course, we don't know who leaked this.

00:49:04.040 However, it was authored by Michael Prescott.

00:49:06.780 And so he's advising the BBC.

00:49:08.760 However, he's not, you know, an employee of the BBC.

00:49:11.280 So he's someone who's obviously been trusted by them.

00:49:14.040 However, he's not, you know,

00:49:15.260 your run-of-the-mill BBC executive.

00:49:17.060 And as you can see, you know,

00:49:18.600 this memo is pretty damning

00:49:20.420 of how those set executives behave.

00:49:23.080 And so in terms of BBC Arabic,

00:49:26.160 CAMERA for decades

00:49:27.880 has been researching how they behave.

00:49:32.320 So this memo covers the past two years.

00:49:34.780 So it's a very sort of minute portion

00:49:36.440 of what's going on.

00:49:37.680 But I say minute.

00:49:39.100 I mean, this dossier details,

00:49:41.080 you know, 500-plus appearances,

00:49:43.440 sort of, you know,

00:49:45.500 appearances from people

00:49:46.600 without the context being given

00:49:48.900 that they have made statements

00:49:50.700 that are pro-terror.

00:49:51.460 How can these people be trusted,

00:49:54.020 you know, to commentate impartially

00:49:56.080 on, you know, very sensitive matters

00:49:57.740 in Israel and the Middle East

00:49:58.680 if we know, you know,

00:50:00.580 that that's their angle

00:50:01.520 and they're not pulled up on it?

00:50:03.520 It's shocking

00:50:04.300 if you're not familiar with BBC Arabic,

00:50:06.780 but if you are,

00:50:07.680 it's bad,

00:50:09.100 but you're unlikely to be surprised.

00:50:11.580 I mean, some research

00:50:13.040 that my CAMERA colleagues did this year

00:50:15.140 showed a commentation

00:50:16.940 that was put on

00:50:17.760 to talk, you know,

00:50:19.060 on BBC Arabic

00:50:19.660 about the situation in Gaza.

00:50:23.020 Naturally,

00:50:23.740 he sort of presented

00:50:24.720 a very distorted view

00:50:25.660 of the situation

00:50:26.300 and we discovered

00:50:27.880 that on social media

00:50:29.000 he had said

00:50:30.140 the comment,

00:50:31.700 we shall burn

00:50:32.540 the Jews like Hitler. 0.95

00:50:34.420 And we flagged this

00:50:35.740 with the BBC.

00:50:36.800 They said,

00:50:37.640 you know,

00:50:37.900 there's no space

00:50:38.500 for anti-semitence

00:50:39.180 in the BBC,

00:50:40.080 et cetera, et cetera.

00:50:41.160 And then guess what?

00:50:43.140 They used him again

00:50:43.940 the same year.

00:50:45.460 So was this person

00:50:47.840 who said,

00:50:48.380 we're going to burn

00:50:48.880 the Jews like Hitler? 0.79

00:50:50.360 Was he only used

00:50:51.740 on BBC Arabic?

00:50:53.160 Was he also on

00:50:54.100 the main English language

00:50:55.840 BBC channel?

00:50:57.400 I believe he was only

00:50:58.820 used on BBC Arabic.

00:51:00.040 However,

00:51:01.080 you often get

00:51:02.140 sort of a,

00:51:02.860 you know,

00:51:03.480 a cross-fertilization

00:51:04.440 of, you know,

00:51:05.740 English articles

00:51:06.760 being translated

00:51:07.680 into BBC Arabic,

00:51:09.700 BBC Arabic articles

00:51:10.940 being translated

00:51:11.580 into English,

00:51:12.380 less so.

00:51:13.160 So I think it's

00:51:13.800 probably unlikely

00:51:14.700 his content

00:51:15.480 was cited,

00:51:16.560 but I think

00:51:17.240 it may have been,

00:51:18.220 I'd have to double

00:51:18.780 check that.

00:51:19.340 No, that's fine.

00:51:20.000 I was just curious.

00:51:20.440 It's called the BBC brand.

00:51:21.580 Yeah, it's the BBC brand.

00:51:22.720 It goes up to the whole

00:51:23.400 Arabic speaking world,

00:51:24.360 which is millions

00:51:25.160 and millions of people.

00:51:26.380 Yeah.

00:51:27.040 I mean,

00:51:27.460 it's supposed to be

00:51:28.080 an antidote

00:51:28.720 to the Al Jazeera

00:51:29.640 of the world.

00:51:30.040 Al Jazeera

00:51:30.540 is the state broadcaster

00:51:32.040 for Qatar,

00:51:32.780 which is a clearly

00:51:33.600 pro-Hamas organization.

00:51:35.500 They were really,

00:51:36.240 at the same time

00:51:36.960 Al Jazeera was

00:51:37.580 reporting on Hamas,

00:51:39.040 the regime in Doha

00:51:40.260 was hosting Hamas.

00:51:42.360 I don't think anyone

00:51:43.080 believed that Al Jazeera

00:51:44.140 was anything other

00:51:44.760 than propaganda,

00:51:45.280 but it sounds like

00:51:46.600 BBC Arabic

00:51:47.540 was sort of the same thing.

00:51:49.100 And actually,

00:51:49.640 my question on

00:51:50.380 whether or not

00:51:51.580 this same commentator

00:51:53.240 were used in English,

00:51:53.960 it's sort of irrelevant.

00:51:55.220 I mean,

00:51:55.680 in some ways,

00:51:56.400 it's actually worse

00:51:57.200 that he was on

00:51:58.260 the Arabic channel

00:51:58.880 because that,

00:51:59.740 you know,

00:51:59.880 people might look

00:52:00.580 to the BBC,

00:52:01.280 well,

00:52:01.380 what's the Western

00:52:02.060 point of view

00:52:02.780 or what's the antidote

00:52:04.880 or the counterweight

00:52:05.820 to Al Jazeera?

00:52:06.780 And they're getting people

00:52:07.660 who literally praise Hitler 0.82

00:52:08.960 and call for the death

00:52:09.820 of Jews.

00:52:10.300 It sounds like

00:52:12.560 it's as bad

00:52:13.080 as Al Jazeera.

00:52:15.200 In many ways,

00:52:16.360 it can be.

00:52:17.520 And also,

00:52:18.240 as you're saying,

00:52:19.040 it is a little bit

00:52:19.720 relevant as to

00:52:20.500 whether the specific case,

00:52:21.620 you know,

00:52:21.780 was used in their

00:52:22.840 English,

00:52:23.340 you know,

00:52:24.240 news service

00:52:24.780 because we've seen

00:52:26.000 plenty of similar

00:52:27.440 situations with people

00:52:28.980 who work for the

00:52:29.600 English branch.

00:52:31.220 Not necessarily

00:52:32.020 the exact same

00:52:32.520 comments,

00:52:32.940 obviously,

00:52:33.200 but,

00:52:33.500 you know,

00:52:33.640 people who liked

00:52:34.320 post-celebrating

00:52:35.080 October 7th massacre,

00:52:36.240 et cetera.

00:52:36.940 That's a very common

00:52:37.920 issue we've encountered.

00:52:38.820 And a lot of the time

00:52:40.880 those people,

00:52:41.860 you know,

00:52:42.000 we can find no evidence

00:52:42.780 that they were fired.

00:52:44.080 And I think that's one of

00:52:45.600 the things about this

00:52:46.400 BBC issue.

00:52:47.120 It keeps rolling on

00:52:48.140 and on and on.

00:52:49.200 And I think people

00:52:50.140 realize,

00:52:51.480 I think,

00:52:52.040 regardless of sort of

00:52:53.640 their level of interest

00:52:54.720 in the Israeli,

00:52:55.600 you know,

00:52:56.100 the Arab-Israeli conflict,

00:52:57.200 I think they realize

00:52:58.280 there's a lot of

00:52:58.720 dissatisfaction around

00:52:59.480 the coverage

00:52:59.860 and there's a lot of

00:53:00.740 errors.

00:53:01.380 And those errors,

00:53:02.260 you know,

00:53:03.360 they very much

00:53:04.280 usually fall on the side

00:53:06.180 of sort of making

00:53:07.180 Israel look bad 1.00

00:53:08.040 unfairly.

00:53:09.260 And I think that

00:53:10.020 people never seem

00:53:11.000 to think,

00:53:11.880 to find,

00:53:13.020 you know,

00:53:13.180 that people actually

00:53:13.660 face consequences

00:53:14.460 within the BBC.

00:53:15.480 You know,

00:53:15.640 who gets fired

00:53:16.340 over these things?

00:53:17.580 We never find evidence

00:53:18.520 that anyone's fired.

00:53:19.440 That's a big problem.

00:53:21.240 Yeah.

00:53:21.480 And just by the way,

00:53:22.580 some of the

00:53:23.200 pro-terrorist commentators,

00:53:25.540 it's not like they were

00:53:26.100 on once in a blue moon.

00:53:27.480 I'm looking at your report.

00:53:29.140 They were on 500 times,

00:53:31.700 200 times,

00:53:32.620 250 times.

00:53:33.580 So these were,

00:53:35.020 I can't even think

00:53:36.220 of a commentator

00:53:37.180 who's been on the CBC

00:53:38.660 500 times.

00:53:39.700 That's as much

00:53:40.840 as a full-time staffer.

00:53:43.140 I mean,

00:53:44.020 like if you're only

00:53:44.860 on once a,

00:53:45.840 only on once a day,

00:53:47.760 that's daily

00:53:49.580 for two years.

00:53:51.140 So these are mainstays.

00:53:53.720 You know,

00:53:54.280 I know that the BBC,

00:53:56.140 like the CBC,

00:53:57.040 has this bizarre policy

00:53:58.200 of not calling Hamas

00:54:00.340 a terrorist group.

00:54:01.280 They say that takes sides,

00:54:02.860 even though legally

00:54:03.980 it is a terrorist group

00:54:05.360 in both the UK and Canada.

00:54:07.460 That is an accurate descriptor 0.84

00:54:09.420 of what it does.

00:54:10.380 Like it's so uncontroversial.

00:54:12.400 It's controversial

00:54:13.200 not to call them

00:54:14.360 a terrorist group.

00:54:16.180 And yet,

00:54:17.240 so they're not terrorists.

00:54:19.140 They won't go that far.

00:54:20.160 But the BBC,

00:54:21.200 and I'm looking at

00:54:21.740 your report here again,

00:54:23.420 it will put scare quotes

00:54:25.920 around,

00:54:27.020 for example,

00:54:27.600 the October 7th massacre

00:54:30.820 at an Israeli town

00:54:32.880 called Kfar Aza.

00:54:35.300 The BBC Arabic says...

00:54:36.180 Which is something

00:54:36.660 they haven't apologized for,

00:54:38.180 I believe.

00:54:38.500 They haven't apologized for that.

00:54:39.100 Yeah, so they say

00:54:39.580 that's a disputed claim.

00:54:40.840 So they will not accept

00:54:42.400 something that objectively,

00:54:44.020 scientifically,

00:54:44.700 on film happened.

00:54:46.380 They'll call that

00:54:46.880 a disputed claim.

00:54:48.700 But they will run

00:54:51.000 without question

00:54:51.940 that Hamas 0.99

00:54:54.100 are not terrorists.

00:54:54.880 It really sounds

00:54:56.160 awful there.

00:54:58.240 Are there any Jews

00:54:59.780 on BBC Arabic?

00:55:01.140 And what I mean by that

00:55:01.900 is there's actually

00:55:02.440 a lot of Jews

00:55:03.120 from Arab lands

00:55:05.180 who were kicked out

00:55:06.240 of those Arab lands,

00:55:07.160 became refugees,

00:55:08.160 and went to Israel.

00:55:09.880 So there's actually

00:55:10.700 a surprising number

00:55:12.180 of Israelis,

00:55:13.160 at least,

00:55:14.060 who are Jewish

00:55:14.980 and speak Arabic.

00:55:16.520 In fact,

00:55:16.840 there's a whole host

00:55:18.460 of Israeli commentators,

00:55:20.180 both in the military

00:55:20.960 and in political circles,

00:55:22.500 who regularly go on

00:55:24.260 Arabic language channels

00:55:26.180 to debate and spar.

00:55:27.580 And I think

00:55:28.320 it's probably a good idea.

00:55:29.640 Do you know

00:55:30.220 if BBC Arabic

00:55:31.280 ever has

00:55:32.360 Arabic-speaking Jews

00:55:34.940 or Arabic-speaking Israelis

00:55:36.300 on for balance?

00:55:37.480 Have you ever heard of that?

00:55:38.900 I believe that it has happened,

00:55:40.720 but I don't think

00:55:41.420 it's as common occurrence

00:55:42.500 as it really should be.

00:55:44.620 Especially as you're saying,

00:55:45.400 you know,

00:55:45.940 there's so many people

00:55:47.680 in Israel who,

00:55:48.460 you know,

00:55:48.960 speak Arabic,

00:55:50.180 it might even be

00:55:50.960 sort of their first language

00:55:51.760 through their family.

00:55:53.040 And it's unfortunate

00:55:53.740 they're sort of not,

00:55:54.700 you know,

00:55:55.880 being permitted

00:55:57.140 to be sort of part

00:55:58.060 of the Arabic-speaking world,

00:55:59.540 which of course they are.

00:56:01.300 And I think

00:56:02.140 even if they do

00:56:04.200 allow those people

00:56:04.960 a voice every so often,

00:56:07.080 it's not good enough

00:56:08.240 because they're still

00:56:09.360 not reporting the facts.

00:56:10.440 Like,

00:56:10.780 this is a news service.

00:56:12.500 Maybe I should use

00:56:13.140 their sarcastic quote marks

00:56:15.200 around that,

00:56:15.740 a news service.

00:56:17.340 And it's demoralizing

00:56:18.520 because,

00:56:19.300 as you're saying,

00:56:20.300 there are people

00:56:21.020 in the Arabic-speaking world

00:56:22.260 who probably,

00:56:23.660 as you're saying,

00:56:24.060 look to the BBC

00:56:24.660 as some kind of

00:56:25.880 impartial service

00:56:27.300 or something better

00:56:28.100 than maybe what they're getting

00:56:29.280 on Al Jazeera.

00:56:30.700 And maybe they're young people

00:56:32.220 in, you know,

00:56:33.220 Qatar, Saudi Arabia,

00:56:34.420 Iraq, Syria,

00:56:35.120 who don't necessarily align

00:56:36.840 with some of,

00:56:37.720 you know,

00:56:38.320 the anti-Semitic views

00:56:39.160 that are quite common

00:56:39.760 in those parts of the world.

00:56:41.140 And they want to kind of

00:56:42.180 contribute to journalism.

00:56:43.240 Maybe they're interested

00:56:43.840 in getting into that.

00:56:44.800 And they think the BBC

00:56:45.540 is a good option.

00:56:46.320 Well,

00:56:46.840 I've got some bad news for them.

00:56:48.320 It's probably not

00:56:49.060 their best option,

00:56:50.020 unfortunately.

00:56:51.180 And I think,

00:56:51.780 as you're saying,

00:56:52.320 with how these errors go

00:56:54.880 and how the inaccuracy goes,

00:56:56.460 I think it just makes you think of,

00:56:58.520 you know,

00:56:59.040 the waiter,

00:56:59.980 who's very bad

00:57:00.580 at giving change metaphor,

00:57:02.100 you know,

00:57:02.380 if he was genuinely

00:57:03.540 really bad at giving

00:57:04.720 people at the restaurant

00:57:05.540 their change properly,

00:57:07.400 probably some of the mistakes

00:57:08.700 he made would be,

00:57:10.600 you know,

00:57:11.180 giving those customers

00:57:12.620 more money

00:57:13.140 than they deserve back.

00:57:14.380 But usually,

00:57:15.780 that doesn't happen

00:57:16.440 because the waiter

00:57:17.440 is probably actually

00:57:18.720 saving the money.

00:57:19.920 This is how I think

00:57:20.940 about the BBC.

00:57:22.360 I feel like an error

00:57:23.680 is implying that,

00:57:25.860 you know,

00:57:26.300 a mistake was made

00:57:27.140 in good faith.

00:57:27.980 Right.

00:57:28.260 Whereas a lot of this,

00:57:30.020 it seems to often

00:57:31.540 be malicious.

00:57:32.460 As you're saying,

00:57:33.180 Hamas,

00:57:33.680 listed terror group

00:57:34.400 in the UK.

00:57:35.160 And the British government

00:57:36.420 helps fund BBC Arabic.

00:57:37.800 So why is that,

00:57:39.380 you know,

00:57:39.640 not a prerequisite

00:57:40.860 for them getting money?

00:57:42.600 It doesn't really make

00:57:44.080 logical or legal sense.

00:57:46.420 And I think that you'll

00:57:47.440 have people there

00:57:48.220 who maybe simply

00:57:50.720 want to appeal

00:57:51.560 to some of the views

00:57:52.540 in that part of the world,

00:57:53.520 unfortunately.

00:57:55.240 And I think

00:57:56.380 that you also have

00:57:58.140 a situation where

00:57:59.120 the BBC is saying,

00:58:00.500 as you're saying,

00:58:01.600 in the BBC editorial guidelines,

00:58:03.160 oh,

00:58:03.400 we don't want to call

00:58:03.840 a mass terrorist

00:58:04.460 because,

00:58:05.180 you know,

00:58:05.740 that's taking a side.

00:58:06.720 OK,

00:58:07.600 number one,

00:58:08.240 they do refer

00:58:08.920 to other terrorist groups.

00:58:11.040 Often,

00:58:11.820 you know,

00:58:12.040 if there's a terror attack

00:58:12.700 in Europe,

00:58:13.420 they sometimes refer

00:58:14.420 to a terror group,

00:58:15.120 they sometimes don't.

00:58:16.020 So they're clearly capable

00:58:16.880 of doing it.

00:58:19.140 And then,

00:58:20.740 you also have

00:58:21.540 the point

00:58:22.220 that,

00:58:23.960 you know,

00:58:25.280 why would you not

00:58:26.000 want to take a side

00:58:26.840 on saying that Hamas

00:58:28.320 are a terrorist group?

00:58:29.540 I think that they

00:58:30.520 pretty much have proved

00:58:31.460 their point.

00:58:31.960 I don't think they would

00:58:32.600 disagree with you,

00:58:33.280 actually.

00:58:33.880 So given how many

00:58:35.100 pro-Hamas people

00:58:35.800 they've had on,

00:58:36.940 you'd think the BBC

00:58:37.580 would have actually,

00:58:38.220 you know,

00:58:38.480 gotten around to

00:58:39.080 understanding that right now,

00:58:40.360 that Hamas know 0.64

00:58:41.580 they're terrorists, 0.80

00:58:42.260 they actually don't care

00:58:43.080 because they believe in it.

00:58:45.100 How can you have

00:58:46.040 sort of,

00:58:46.720 you know,

00:58:47.660 a stark,

00:58:49.120 you know,

00:58:49.940 lucid view

00:58:50.780 of the events

00:58:51.560 going on in Gaza

00:58:52.160 and the Middle East

00:58:52.700 if you don't understand

00:58:53.500 that about Islamist

00:58:54.400 terror groups?

00:58:55.260 It's pretty straightforward.

00:58:57.060 My last question

00:58:57.800 for you, Georgia,

00:58:58.340 and thanks for your time

00:58:59.080 tonight,

00:58:59.660 is will anything change?

00:59:01.360 I see online

00:59:02.540 people say

00:59:03.160 they're going to refuse

00:59:03.880 to pay their BBC

00:59:04.780 license fee.

00:59:06.140 In Canada,

00:59:06.920 the government

00:59:07.540 just takes money

00:59:09.140 through taxes

00:59:09.780 and gives it

00:59:10.620 as a grant

00:59:11.120 to our CBC.

00:59:12.460 There's no

00:59:12.920 separate license fee,

00:59:14.840 CBC fee.

00:59:15.560 I think if there was,

00:59:16.740 people would boycott it.

00:59:18.020 I know in the UK

00:59:18.860 individual people

00:59:19.740 say they're going to stop

00:59:21.320 and the government

00:59:21.720 sometimes prosecutes

00:59:23.020 some of them.

00:59:24.340 Has there been

00:59:25.000 any momentum

00:59:25.860 between the Trump,

00:59:27.640 you know,

00:59:28.740 doctoring the Trump footage

00:59:30.240 and this internal report

00:59:32.320 on anti-Semitism,

00:59:34.120 is there any movement

00:59:35.380 for reform?

00:59:36.580 I mean,

00:59:36.760 I'm sure the Labour Party

00:59:38.680 is standing by BBC,

00:59:40.380 but is there any broader

00:59:42.060 political mood afoot

00:59:44.240 to defund

00:59:45.900 or privatize the BBC?

00:59:49.080 So there's been

00:59:49.840 a campaign,

00:59:51.180 pardon,

00:59:51.780 ongoing for several years

00:59:52.940 called Defund the BBC.

00:59:54.660 And so their argument

00:59:55.460 is, as you're saying,

00:59:56.240 you know,

00:59:56.680 stop this license fee,

00:59:58.200 let the BBC

00:59:58.600 stand on its own two feet.

01:00:00.140 It's hard to say

01:00:01.060 sort of if any views

01:00:02.080 have changed on that

01:00:02.860 in the past week

01:00:03.580 because we simply

01:00:04.100 don't have the evidence.

01:00:05.780 However,

01:00:06.400 you know,

01:00:06.660 anecdotally speaking,

01:00:08.240 for a long time

01:00:09.160 people have been

01:00:09.740 very dissatisfied,

01:00:11.140 including with the

01:00:11.820 Israel and Gaza coverage.

01:00:13.100 So I think

01:00:13.880 I wouldn't be surprised

01:00:14.700 going into the next election

01:00:15.900 if that's,

01:00:16.940 you know,

01:00:17.280 a question that people

01:00:18.280 are asking

01:00:18.620 of politicians

01:00:19.160 and their manifestos.

01:00:20.700 Can we sort of

01:00:22.020 divest,

01:00:22.820 so to speak,

01:00:23.780 of the BBC?

01:00:25.200 And I think

01:00:26.040 sort of

01:00:27.080 the counter argument

01:00:27.920 to that would be

01:00:28.880 that it can be reformed.

01:00:30.700 However,

01:00:31.080 I don't necessarily

01:00:31.860 see evidence of that.

01:00:33.220 Well,

01:00:33.360 there's no need

01:00:33.780 to reform it.

01:00:34.620 I mean,

01:00:34.820 there's so many

01:00:35.480 independent journalists.

01:00:37.360 There's so many

01:00:38.220 private journalists.

01:00:39.760 I,

01:00:40.000 you know,

01:00:40.380 this idea,

01:00:40.940 well,

01:00:41.160 oh,

01:00:41.320 don't shut it down,

01:00:42.220 reform it.

01:00:42.760 I mean,

01:00:42.920 I don't know why

01:00:44.000 that privilege

01:00:45.200 would attach to

01:00:46.420 the BBC.

01:00:47.140 It doesn't attach

01:00:48.240 to other failing enterprises

01:00:49.620 that aren't part

01:00:50.180 of the government.

01:00:51.000 Well,

01:00:51.140 listen,

01:00:51.280 we're going to keep

01:00:51.740 our eye on it closely.

01:00:53.400 Georgia,

01:00:53.600 we're really grateful

01:00:54.220 to have you.

01:00:55.080 We've been talking

01:00:55.600 with Georgia Gilhuli

01:00:56.580 of the Committee

01:00:58.080 for Accuracy

01:00:58.840 in Media's Reporting

01:01:00.120 and Analysis.

01:01:01.560 Take care,

01:01:01.840 my friend.

01:01:02.180 Keep in touch.

01:01:03.480 Thank you.

01:01:04.100 All right.

01:01:04.700 Stay with us.

01:01:05.540 Your letters to me next.

01:01:16.100 Hey,

01:01:16.520 welcome back.

01:01:17.080 Your letters to me.

01:01:17.820 The first one

01:01:18.360 is on my trip

01:01:18.860 to Birmingham.

01:01:19.960 Alana Wolf says,

01:01:20.840 at least the true

01:01:21.600 football fans

01:01:22.180 put the Islamists 1.00

01:01:22.980 in their place.

01:01:23.860 Well done,

01:01:24.640 fellas.

01:01:25.380 Yeah,

01:01:25.600 you know what?

01:01:26.680 Think about it.

01:01:27.800 All the football fans

01:01:28.940 who are there,

01:01:29.540 soccer fans as we call it,

01:01:31.100 if they're there

01:01:31.860 by definition really,

01:01:33.700 they want to see football.

01:01:34.820 They want to see a match.

01:01:36.240 And,

01:01:36.680 you know,

01:01:37.300 it would be a really weird

01:01:38.420 way to approach

01:01:39.260 soccer games

01:01:40.300 if you said,

01:01:41.120 well,

01:01:41.180 I'm only going to go

01:01:41.840 see the match

01:01:42.380 with the countries

01:01:42.960 I really love

01:01:43.760 or really like.

01:01:44.360 That's just a really weird,

01:01:45.840 that's not the

01:01:46.620 sportsman-like way.

01:01:48.440 And,

01:01:49.060 but think about it,

01:01:49.720 if you're paying

01:01:50.360 to buy a ticket

01:01:51.300 to go and watch

01:01:52.140 your team play,

01:01:53.580 you want to watch

01:01:54.800 your team play.

01:01:55.480 So obviously,

01:01:56.220 the football fans

01:01:57.000 who were there

01:01:57.340 were happy

01:01:57.860 to watch the game

01:01:59.020 and they didn't like

01:02:00.760 their game being hijacked.

01:02:02.540 I was encouraged

01:02:03.600 by my few conversations

01:02:05.440 with actual

01:02:06.220 Aston Villa fans.

01:02:08.000 On the Mamdani win, 0.94

01:02:09.980 Johnny Alberta says,

01:02:10.960 this is New York's

01:02:12.300 Justin Trudeau moment.

01:02:13.900 Ten years from now,

01:02:14.560 Mamdani or his successor

01:02:15.840 will be telling New Yorkers

01:02:16.960 to prepare themselves

01:02:17.980 to sacrifice even more

01:02:19.260 and live with a lower

01:02:20.360 standard of living.

01:02:21.900 I'm going to disagree

01:02:22.920 with you politely

01:02:23.580 in a couple of ways.

01:02:25.460 I followed Justin Trudeau

01:02:26.880 in his 10-year career

01:02:28.140 as PM,

01:02:29.360 but I also followed him

01:02:30.800 before that

01:02:31.480 for probably 10 years

01:02:32.760 as well.

01:02:33.380 I remember doing it

01:02:34.040 when Western Standard,

01:02:35.620 the print magazine,

01:02:36.460 when I was a publisher,

01:02:37.580 ran a cover story

01:02:38.600 on Justin Trudeau.

01:02:39.500 We could tell

01:02:40.080 he was maneuvering

01:02:41.500 20 years ago.

01:02:43.860 And I think he is,

01:02:46.800 he has some ideology

01:02:48.300 within him,

01:02:48.800 but really he's

01:02:49.440 an empty vessel.

01:02:50.220 He really is

01:02:51.320 a dramatic actor

01:02:52.320 who can memorize

01:02:53.420 a few lines

01:02:54.260 and pull off

01:02:55.460 a few cute moves.

01:02:57.460 I don't think

01:02:58.240 he was particularly deep.

01:02:59.460 I know he was

01:03:00.440 fairly lazy.

01:03:02.120 He wouldn't read

01:03:03.000 his memos.

01:03:04.760 He once testified

01:03:06.720 under oath

01:03:07.520 to the ethics commissioner

01:03:08.960 that when he met

01:03:10.140 the Aga Khan,

01:03:11.080 the head of the Ismaili faith,

01:03:13.100 a member on that

01:03:14.040 billionaire island,

01:03:15.360 that he couldn't have been

01:03:16.800 in a conflict of interest

01:03:17.680 because he didn't know

01:03:18.500 any details on any files.

01:03:20.340 He would leave that

01:03:21.220 to the smart kids

01:03:22.060 and he would focus

01:03:23.000 on the relationships.

01:03:24.240 I believe that.

01:03:25.380 That was his excuse.

01:03:26.320 He didn't wash

01:03:26.940 for the ethics commissioner,

01:03:28.000 but he literally pled,

01:03:29.460 well, I don't know

01:03:30.220 the details of the files.

01:03:32.180 Other people handle that.

01:03:33.640 I'm just the back scratcher,

01:03:35.520 back slapper,

01:03:36.320 handshaker.

01:03:37.820 No, I think that Mamdani

01:03:39.420 is a deep ideologue.

01:03:41.620 Now, Mamdani,

01:03:42.300 like Trudeau,

01:03:42.880 has never had a real job.

01:03:44.500 Mamdani, like Trudeau,

01:03:45.640 is a dramatic actor.

01:03:47.380 He switches accents,

01:03:48.780 but Mamdani is something

01:03:50.860 that Trudeau is not.

01:03:51.700 He is a deep,

01:03:53.100 deep ideologue.

01:03:54.940 His mother and father

01:03:55.940 were deeply anti-American.

01:03:57.660 So is he.

01:03:58.740 He is from a very radical group

01:04:00.640 called the Democratic Socialists,

01:04:02.500 which is really

01:04:03.360 full-out socialists.

01:04:04.980 So I see the comparisons.

01:04:07.560 He's young.

01:04:08.240 He's hip.

01:04:09.300 He's a theater kid.

01:04:11.700 He's an actor.

01:04:12.600 I see.

01:04:13.060 I got you on that.

01:04:14.820 But I think that Zoran Mamdani

01:04:16.480 works twice as hard

01:04:18.460 as Trudeau did.

01:04:19.900 And though he's never

01:04:21.120 done anything,

01:04:21.860 he is a deep philosophical Marxist.

01:04:25.760 I wouldn't say

01:04:26.660 he's an Islamist.

01:04:27.540 I don't think he is.

01:04:28.360 His wife doesn't wear 0.93

01:04:29.500 a hijab or anything.

01:04:30.380 But I think

01:04:31.420 what Islam means

01:04:32.700 in his life

01:04:33.220 is just

01:04:34.020 to be anti-American

01:04:37.180 in general.

01:04:37.960 I think he's just

01:04:38.560 a general anti-Americanism

01:04:40.220 that manifests itself,

01:04:42.160 of course,

01:04:42.740 with anti-Semitism

01:04:43.440 and, of course,

01:04:44.100 opposing Israel.

01:04:45.160 Basically being against

01:04:46.280 everything in America

01:04:47.360 from borders

01:04:49.920 to capitalism

01:04:51.280 to firearms

01:04:52.980 to the Constitution.

01:04:54.580 I think he's going

01:04:55.380 to be a disaster.

01:04:56.020 But,

01:04:56.660 as Margaret Thatcher said,

01:04:59.180 socialists

01:04:59.800 sometimes run out

01:05:01.260 of other people's money

01:05:02.100 to spend.

01:05:03.460 And it could be

01:05:04.460 that, you know,

01:05:05.840 the billionaires

01:05:06.580 simply move

01:05:07.380 out of New York

01:05:08.360 across the river

01:05:09.200 into New Jersey

01:05:09.940 or, I don't know,

01:05:11.940 down to Texas

01:05:12.560 or Florida.

01:05:13.380 If you had

01:05:14.300 the top firms

01:05:15.800 and their top earners

01:05:16.920 simply leaving the city

01:05:18.400 in a way you couldn't do

01:05:19.520 pre-internet,

01:05:20.740 I don't know

01:05:21.520 if Mamdani

01:05:22.400 would be able

01:05:22.880 to sustain things.

01:05:23.780 And then there's

01:05:24.160 the Trump factor.

01:05:24.980 He has basically said

01:05:26.600 he's going to turn off

01:05:27.380 whatever taps he can

01:05:28.600 to stop the bad things

01:05:30.200 Mamdani wants to do.

01:05:31.420 These are some thoughts,

01:05:32.320 sort of rambling thoughts,

01:05:33.160 forgive me.

01:05:34.180 That's it for today.

01:05:35.300 I'm off tonight

01:05:36.220 to Kelowna

01:05:37.140 and then I'm going to drive

01:05:38.040 to the ostrich farm.

01:05:39.940 I know I'm a day late

01:05:41.280 on the cull.

01:05:43.200 Our friend Drea

01:05:43.960 was out there

01:05:44.560 to catch the terrible moment.

01:05:46.720 But really I'm going there

01:05:47.700 to show our company's support

01:05:50.340 to the farm

01:05:51.020 and to the people out there

01:05:52.780 and to personally thank Drea

01:05:54.260 for her great work

01:05:55.440 over these past months.

01:05:57.040 That's the show for today.

01:05:58.080 Until Monday,

01:05:59.280 on behalf of all of us

01:06:00.280 here at Rebel World Headquarters

01:06:01.520 to you at home,

01:06:02.620 good night

01:06:03.000 and keep fighting for freedom.

01:06:04.740 and keep fighting for freedom.

01:06:07.520 Thank you.

01:06:08.060 Thank you.

01:06:08.560 Thank you.

01:06:08.620 Thank you.

01:06:09.180 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - November 08, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Birmingham's radical Muslims want to expel local Jews

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