Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Breaking the echo chambers： A feature interview with Billboard Chris

00:00:00.000 You're listening to a release broadcast.

00:00:14.760 You're fighting for freedom! 1.00

00:00:17.580 Shame on you, you sensorious thug! 0.98

00:00:30.000 It's one thing to be a keyboard warrior, and I think most of the time that's me. 0.99

00:00:34.920 What I mean by that is I'm in a studio.

00:00:37.060 Maybe I'm typing on Twitter, but I'm not in any physical risk.

00:00:41.440 If I'm brave, well, it's easy to be brave when you're on this side of a keyboard or a phone.

00:00:47.480 But what about if you're in the world?

00:00:50.640 And once in a while I do get out of the office.

00:00:52.900 But what if you go out into the world and literally wear on your body a billboard, a sandwich board as it used to be called, stating blunt truths that are politically incorrect.

00:01:07.540 And what if you go into the world's most progressive places wearing this billboard on your person, saying things like no one was born in the wrong body or children should not be on puberty blockers.

00:01:21.380 These are comments, of course, about the transgenderism out there.

00:01:24.540 What if you were to physically go out into some of the most, quote, progressive cities like that and engage with all your critics?

00:01:34.240 Well, that is a very rare sort of courage, not just an emotional courage, but a physical courage.

00:01:42.640 Because as I don't need to tell you, the left, when confronted by a narrative that they don't agree with,

00:01:50.500 well, their response these days is not often to debate, but rather to cancel.

00:01:55.980 And if you're standing there in person canceling you, is at the very least screaming at you and too often assaulting you.

00:02:05.580 By now, I think you probably know who I'm talking about.

00:02:08.480 His name is Chris Elston.

00:02:09.580 He lives in one of those progressive cities, Vancouver.

00:02:11.760 But he travels around the world with his simple message and one by one tries to win over hearts and minds.

00:02:20.060 And he joins us now back at his home in Vancouver.

00:02:24.220 Chris Elston, also known as Billboard Chris.

00:02:27.100 Great to see you again.

00:02:29.100 Thank you so much, Ezra.

00:02:30.400 It's been a fun time since we chatted last.

00:02:32.860 I've been all over the United States.

00:02:35.220 I've been to Philadelphia, New Jersey, Florida.

00:02:37.380 I just got back from Chicago.

00:02:38.340 I was at the Republican debate in Milwaukee, making some good friends there.

00:02:42.380 So I'm having fun spreading the good word.

00:02:45.340 Yeah, well, it takes a special person to go into the lion's den.

00:02:49.760 I saw one of the interactions in Chicago.

00:02:52.520 Chicago is a very Democrat city.

00:02:54.800 Now, there's a certain conservative sensibility, too.

00:02:58.040 City of broad shoulders, windy city, butcher shop to the world.

00:03:01.740 It has sort of a...

00:03:03.220 There's a tradition there, too.

00:03:04.900 But it is very Democrat.

00:03:06.640 That's the home of Barack Obama and Oprah.

00:03:09.800 Tell me a little bit about what you were doing in Chicago, what your billboard says.

00:03:15.580 And by the way, we've got a couple of clips from your journeys around America that we'll show,

00:03:19.680 just to show people exactly what it is that you do.

00:03:24.080 But give me a little bit of a warm-up for what you were doing in Chicago and why you were there.

00:03:27.960 Sure. So I had been up in Milwaukee, which is just a couple hours north for the debate

00:03:32.980 and for a few events beforehand, because really exciting news.

00:03:36.640 I'm going to be working with this conservative organization called the Leadership Institute going forward.

00:03:41.120 And I'm going to be speaking at formal events inside of universities all throughout the United States,

00:03:46.120 doing town halls and things like that.

00:03:48.100 So that's very exciting.

00:03:49.100 I'm sure some mini riots will break out at these universities,

00:03:51.180 and the left will do exactly what we want, which is generate all sorts of media.

00:03:54.580 But I was just up the road, so I thought, well, I'm in town.

00:03:58.000 Let's go down to Chicago for a few days and do my thing out on the streets.

00:04:01.520 And they also have a children's hospital there called the Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago.

00:04:05.780 This is one of really four main gender clinics across the U.S. going way back more than a decade.

00:04:12.220 This is a clinic funded by Jennifer Pritzker, who is one of the billionaires who has been funding this going back a long time.

00:04:19.180 He's a man who now says he's a woman.

00:04:20.700 He, of course, is the cousin of J.B. Pritzker, who's the governor of Illinois.

00:04:24.580 So I went to that children's hospital, had some conversations outside there,

00:04:27.380 started thousands of conversations inside the hospital because, of course, they all see me outside.

00:04:32.000 So what I'm trying to do is educate one person at a time.

00:04:34.480 I combine that with social media where these videos are now seen oftentimes more than a million times.

00:04:39.180 But then it's also the conversations I start out on the street that I'm not necessarily a part of.

00:04:43.440 All this leads to creating awareness about what's going on.

00:04:45.640 So that's why I went to Chicago.

00:04:47.680 And as usual, when you go outside, good things happen.

00:04:49.860 Yeah, you know what?

00:04:52.020 We think that way sometimes here at Rebel News.

00:04:55.140 I mean, you can be in the studio with your set piece speech.

00:04:58.560 I guess that's what I do in my monologues.

00:05:00.420 But when you go into the world and interact with real people, you never know who you're going to meet.

00:05:04.320 You never know what you're going to say or what they're going to say.

00:05:07.720 It really and and it is sort of a missionary approach to to go put your best foot forward and try and talk to people one at a time.

00:05:17.840 Hey, Chris, how many people would you estimate that you've spoken with over all the dozens of times you've hit the streets?

00:05:26.960 Which I'm guessing it would be in the thousands.

00:05:30.460 Yeah, I've probably been out on the street.

00:05:33.300 My best estimate is probably about twenty five hundred hours out on the streets and the university campuses.

00:05:38.440 So probably twenty thousand conversations.

00:05:41.040 Some of them are short.

00:05:42.280 Of course, there's many more interactions than that.

00:05:44.160 But I've heard everything that the left has to say and really they only ever have the same two or three things to say.

00:05:51.160 I sometimes call this the gender wars attack of the clones because it's the same exact argument every single time. 0.56

00:05:59.720 All they have to say is that kids.

00:06:02.120 Are going to kill themselves if you don't let them transition, this is the number one argument they always say.

00:06:06.420 It's a despicable manipulation.

00:06:08.420 It's used to coerce parents to go along with this. 0.68

00:06:10.800 They're told you can have a dead son or a trans daughter.

00:06:13.040 Yeah, these people believe that puberty blockers are reversible, which, of course, is not true.

00:06:18.420 Time is not reversible.

00:06:19.520 If you stop a child from going through their natural development for years, they don't get to go back to when they were 10 years old and resume going through puberty.

00:06:27.400 Those years of development are gone.

00:06:29.400 And there's a few other arguments that these people come up with.

00:06:31.620 But it's very helpful to go out on the street.

00:06:34.680 You see a totally different perspective than you would just online.

00:06:37.440 And I think as humans, we evolved to talk to each other one on one.

00:06:41.460 And I think it's still really important that we do this in the real world, not just online, where we're in our echo chambers.

00:06:46.600 So that's why I started going outside to do this, because I think it's really effective.

00:06:50.220 It's spreading the word to people who would otherwise never hear any of this.

00:06:53.100 I think you're exactly right.

00:06:54.600 And it's not surprising to me that your critics have, like, two or three message tracks, because it's all they've heard.

00:07:03.740 And once they've said them, they feel, OK, I did my duty as a good progressive person.

00:07:10.120 I said what I've heard 100 times.

00:07:12.560 But they've never heard the reaction or the response to it.

00:07:15.420 So if you press them with a supplemental question, they don't have a depth there.

00:07:20.380 They're just, oh, I've heard this line.

00:07:22.280 Here's what to say.

00:07:23.600 I've said them.

00:07:24.680 But I would imagine that once they've pushed play on those little audio tracks in their mind, they really don't have a lot to go on.

00:07:34.540 Because I don't think there's a depth of – I don't think they've really thought this through.

00:07:37.820 I think, oh, this is the latest thing.

00:07:40.380 You know, it's like Black Lives Matter or a Ukraine flag on their Twitter avatar.

00:07:46.080 This is the new thing. 0.96

00:07:47.660 Global warming, transgender. 1.00

00:07:49.680 Let me just pick up a few talking points so I sound au courant and fashionable.

00:07:54.280 I think that people have not thought these things through deeply.

00:07:57.940 Would you say that's generally true, Chris?

00:08:00.400 They haven't thought this through at all, Ezra.

00:08:02.640 So I have a couple tactics, really, that I use.

00:08:06.060 One is to ask questions.

00:08:09.380 What does it mean for a girl to be a boy?

00:08:12.320 Right, right.

00:08:13.100 Right away, nobody can answer that.

00:08:15.000 What is a transgender child?

00:08:17.400 Right.

00:08:17.920 In three years, Ezra, no one can give me a definition.

00:08:22.340 And I'll say things that they agree with as well.

00:08:24.500 The people who are more hostile or maybe on the fence.

00:08:27.300 If you say things that these people agree with, first of all, you're accomplishing a couple things.

00:08:31.460 You're dropping down some barriers that they have where they think you're evil.

00:08:34.740 Right. 0.98

00:08:34.980 And you're some terrible person.

00:08:36.860 Because if you say something like, look, I don't think we should put these kids in some stereotypical box.

00:08:41.620 All these kids are beautiful just as they are.

00:08:43.420 There's no right way to be a girl or a boy. 0.80

00:08:45.680 They all will agree with that.

00:08:48.600 And so right there, you've broken down this wall.

00:08:51.160 And you show you're not a hard-hearted monster.

00:08:54.440 That you're motivated by the same things that they would like to claim they're motivated by.

00:08:59.720 That's right.

00:09:00.460 And you've confused them at this moment.

00:09:02.420 Which is honestly a great result of any of these conversations with the activists who are pushing this.

00:09:07.880 Because you've created at that moment this cognitive dissonance.

00:09:10.520 Where there's now two competing ideas in their brain.

00:09:12.740 They thought you were some evil bigot.

00:09:14.720 Now you just said something loving and true.

00:09:17.060 And it is true. 0.71

00:09:17.940 And it is loving.

00:09:19.100 And they can't help but disagree with it.

00:09:20.620 So now they're very confused.

00:09:21.840 So they're going to have to go home and look up what you actually believe.

00:09:25.220 And maybe they'll start questioning a little bit more.

00:09:27.040 Because I do see this as something akin to a cult.

00:09:30.980 And with all cults, you never get anyone out just by telling them that they're wrong.

00:09:35.060 They have to start questioning this themselves.

00:09:37.880 And that's how they eventually come out of it.

00:09:39.780 Because let's face it.

00:09:40.640 These people are mostly victims who then become the recruiters.

00:09:45.160 It's a lot of young women who as girls were led to believe that this was the compassionate approach to take.

00:09:50.740 And that they were saving kids' lives by transitioning them.

00:09:54.160 But it's all a lie.

00:09:55.680 So they're not all inherently evil.

00:09:57.700 Yes, some of these people are, for sure.

00:09:59.680 But most of them have just been indoctrinated.

00:10:02.020 So there's no point just fighting with these people.

00:10:03.560 You have to find a source of agreement.

00:10:05.460 You know, I was in the UK a month or two ago at a conference.

00:10:09.700 And I heard something I'd never really heard before.

00:10:11.860 And maybe that just shows that I'm not as well-read as I ought to be.

00:10:15.420 But it was a gay man. 0.64

00:10:16.860 He was with the Gay Men's Network. 0.93

00:10:19.140 And he said that transgenderism is, in its essence, anti-gay. 0.65

00:10:25.080 And I thought, what are you talking about? 0.89

00:10:26.900 He said, if he had grown up in this era, instead of just being gay, they would have said, no, you are in the wrong body.

00:10:36.540 You're a woman. 0.99

00:10:37.340 And they would have chopped him up.

00:10:38.920 And he says the T in LGBT is essentially opposite to the L and the G.

00:10:49.740 And he was so furious with two parts of it.

00:10:53.520 First of all, the mutilation.

00:10:55.700 And second of all, the focus on children.

00:10:59.760 And I was just astonished to hear these things.

00:11:03.200 I hadn't heard them before.

00:11:05.840 I don't know.

00:11:06.200 I thought I would share that with you.

00:11:07.500 Because it's, I think the idea that you're born in the wrong body is so bizarre and novel.

00:11:15.740 And we don't think through what that means all the way.

00:11:20.000 What do you think of that?

00:11:21.320 I mean, maybe your old hat, that's old hat to you.

00:11:23.900 But that was the first time I heard it put so passionately and by a gay man.

00:11:29.880 Yeah, no, I talk about this all the time.

00:11:31.680 If you look at all the studies into gender dysphoria, which is really just self-loathing.

00:11:37.740 And going way back before they gave kids puberty blocking drugs.

00:11:43.140 There's about 12 different academic studies.

00:11:45.200 And all of these studies into children with gender dysphoria, back when this affected a handful of kids.

00:11:50.820 All these studies show the same results.

00:11:53.780 More than 80% of these kids just outgrew it when they went through puberty.

00:11:57.060 And a majority grew up to be gay.

00:11:58.820 This used to affect boys way more than girls.

00:12:00.760 Now that's completely flipped.

00:12:01.980 It's three to one girls versus boys. 0.99

00:12:04.200 But yes, a lot of these kids would grow up to be gay. 0.99

00:12:08.440 Really effeminate little boys. 0.98

00:12:09.800 It makes a bit of sense.

00:12:11.140 Now, because this ideology hinges on one thing only.

00:12:13.880 Regressive stereotypes.

00:12:15.740 These kids who defy these stereotypes, who are a little bit different.

00:12:18.460 Are now being led to believe that they must be trans.

00:12:21.140 They must have been born in their wrong body. 0.88

00:12:24.500 What a psychologically abusive thing to tell a child.

00:12:28.320 That you're born wrong.

00:12:30.060 This makes no sense at all.

00:12:31.880 We should be telling them they're beautiful just as they are.

00:12:33.920 But this is the worst possible messaging ever.

00:12:37.240 So I always tell people, when you play this pronoun game. 1.00

00:12:40.300 If you're a teacher and you're going along with all this pronoun business with these kids. 0.99

00:12:43.700 It's every time you call a girl a boy, you call her he, him. 0.96

00:12:48.000 You're sending her this message that she was born wrong.

00:12:51.000 Yeah.

00:12:51.520 And that she should be something that she's not.

00:12:53.800 This is an abusive ideology right from the very get-go.

00:12:57.360 The whole thing needs to be abolished. 1.00

00:12:58.780 Yeah, I think you're right.

00:12:59.980 Wow.

00:13:00.940 You know, Bill Maher, who's quite a progressive.

00:13:04.760 He's progressive on sexual things.

00:13:06.520 He's progressive on drugs.

00:13:08.460 Like, he really is an essential California liberal.

00:13:12.980 But he had a segment, this was a few months ago now, where he said, look, this is a social contagion.

00:13:21.280 This is a fashion.

00:13:22.880 This is a peer pressure.

00:13:25.260 Here, let me play a clip of that where he notes that the number of transgender kids depends on if there's someone in the school pushing that ideology.

00:13:34.460 He implies what I think we all know, which is that this is an artificially constructed phenomenon.

00:13:42.800 You could call it a fad.

00:13:44.480 Here's a throwback to Bill Maher on his liberal program.

00:13:48.320 Take a look.

00:13:48.820 And if you haven't noticed that with kids, doing something for the likes is more important than their own genitals, you haven't been paying attention.

00:13:55.940 Dr. Erica Anderson is a prominent 71-year-old clinical psychologist who is herself transgender and who now says, I think it's gone too far.

00:14:07.060 The L.A. Times summarizes, she's come to believe that some children identifying as trans are falling under the influence of their peers and social media.

00:14:15.940 If you attend a small dinner party of typically very liberal, upper-income Angelenos, it is not uncommon to hear parents who each have a trans kid having a conversation about that.

00:14:28.920 What are the odds of that happening in Youngstown, Ohio?

00:14:32.800 If this spike in trans children is all natural, why is it regional? 0.99

00:14:38.780 Either Ohio is shaming them or California is creating them.

00:14:42.220 It's like that day we suddenly all needed bottled water all the time.

00:14:55.360 If we can't admit that in certain enclaves there is some level of trendiness to the idea of being anything other than straight, then this is not a serious science-based discussion.

00:15:06.700 It's a blow being struck in the culture wars using children as cannon fodder.

00:15:11.200 Well, I think that's sort of obvious.

00:15:13.320 I don't think he's saying anything there that's not true.

00:15:16.060 But I want to throw one more clip at you, Chris.

00:15:18.320 And this is when Blaine Higgs, the premier of New Brunswick, said he wants parents to be informed of when their kids at school.

00:15:30.060 Kids under 16, by the way, is what he was targeting.

00:15:33.660 If they start changing their pronouns, changing their names, changing their gender, parents should be informed of what's going on with their kids.

00:15:42.580 And we just saw the Angus Reid poll that shows more than 80% of people in this province agree with him.

00:15:48.660 And here's how Rosemary Barton of the CBC responded.

00:15:53.120 She was outraged that he would suggest that being transgender is trendy.

00:16:00.080 She was outraged that anyone would say it was anything other than the absolute truth.

00:16:04.180 Here's a clip of that.

00:16:04.940 You used some language yesterday in the legislature that, frankly, I'm not sure Premier actually helped the conversation.

00:16:11.480 You talked about gender dysphoria becoming, quote, popular and trendy.

00:16:15.200 You said, we have a situation that's growing because there's acceptance that this is fine.

00:16:19.840 Do you think that those are appropriate comments?

00:16:21.700 Do you have a problem with the idea of gender dysphoria?

00:16:24.620 Well, my position, Rosemary, is not the issue in that sense.

00:16:31.640 My position as a grandfather and as a father is that I think that kids in especially these vulnerable years in elementary school years,

00:16:40.520 you know, are, let's say, you know, toddlers being exposed to, well, I may not be a boy or girl.

00:16:48.200 That is the role that parents need to play a role.

00:16:50.580 Those are very formative years.

00:16:51.960 And so how do we ensure that everyone understands what is being presented, what's in the school system, and then we work through it?

00:17:00.640 Sure, but I guess I'm wondering, Premier, if your personal views are influencing your policy decisions, because it sounds like they are.

00:17:09.320 No, Rosemary, it's not about my personal views at all.

00:17:12.580 It's about a role as a parent and a grandparent and thinking about my grandchildren now that would be attending school

00:17:20.800 and the fact that her parents would not know what she was being taught or what information was being supplied.

00:17:30.040 Because I think most parents, you know, take for granted that the school system is doing everything that they would approve of.

00:17:36.740 But there's so many things that parents are asked to have their consent on.

00:17:40.560 I think that she was so sensitive to that, Chris, because she wants to believe, no, no, no, it's in your body.

00:17:52.640 It's in your genes.

00:17:54.180 You can't, this is the way you are.

00:17:56.240 You're in the wrong body.

00:17:57.320 And like, I think if anyone, you know, the emperor has no clothes, if Premier Higgs or Bill Maher said, no, this is a mind virus.

00:18:06.740 No, no, no, no, no, no, it's not.

00:18:08.180 It's real.

00:18:08.880 We've got to get these kids on puberty blockers. 0.99

00:18:11.960 That was the thing the CBC was most angry about.

00:18:14.820 The fact that the premier said, no, this is a social contagion.

00:18:18.100 What do you think of that?

00:18:19.280 It's 100% a social contagion.

00:18:21.360 This mirrors all sorts of social contagions from the past, which historically do affect teenage girls.

00:18:26.460 They're very prone to this.

00:18:27.720 If you look at bulimia, it was the same thing.

00:18:29.640 A handful of girls were experiencing bulimia until this was named as a condition. 0.99

00:18:35.160 It was written about in the magazines.

00:18:37.580 And as soon as they made this a big deal, well, it spread like wildfire.

00:18:41.340 And this current social contagion we have, this trans epidemic, mirrors a previous contagion we had, also of a pseudoscientific quackery, something called the lobotomy. 0.99

00:18:53.780 This is the lobotomy 2.0.

00:18:55.660 That was also popularized by the media, just as this is.

00:18:58.920 Except this is a much bigger deal, because this is affecting hundreds of thousands of children who have nothing wrong with them, other than maybe they're having a bit of a hard time in life right now, because naturally puberty and growing up is a difficult time.

00:19:11.680 And it's going to be extra difficult in the age of Instagram and TikTok, where peer pressure is just magnified.

00:19:18.720 But what's crazy is on Instagram and TikTok are these transgender influencers pushing these kids towards it. 0.99

00:19:25.860 TikTok and Instagram are bad enough for grown-ups.

00:19:29.020 I can only imagine what they're like if you're a 14-year-old kid who's a little awkward, and who isn't awkward when you're a teen, and someone's saying, no, no, no, you're in the wrong body, get things chopped off and go on these meds.

00:19:39.880 I think it's got to be atrociously hard to be a kid these days.

00:19:42.800 And then you've got a guidance counselor or a sex ed teacher pushing that on you and saying, psst, don't tell your parents, we won't tell your parents.

00:19:50.100 That's madness.

00:19:52.020 Yeah, this is the practice all across Canada.

00:19:54.300 Now, as you mentioned, we've got New Brunswick, Saskatchewan.

00:19:58.140 They want to do away with this policy of hiding from parents that their own child has a new name and pronouns.

00:20:05.620 And the education minister in Ontario said the same thing just the other day.

00:20:10.460 Right.

00:20:10.940 So this is huge progress that they're even talking about this, because no one dared to even mention this a year ago.

00:20:16.480 Right.

00:20:16.800 And of course, there's going to be some pushback.

00:20:18.960 And of course, some of these politicians are going to chicken out and they're not going to enforce these policies.

00:20:23.380 But this is how it starts.

00:20:24.620 So this is good news, no matter which way you cut it.

00:20:26.860 But I find it interesting with New Brunswick when their conservative premier said, no, we need to stop hiding this from parents.

00:20:33.940 Some of his own cabinet ministers revolted.

00:20:37.360 And we have the same issue with the federal conservative party where Pierre Poilievre is a bit between a rock and a hard place because he knows that he needs to start talking about these issues.

00:20:46.900 But he's very careful to never discuss gender, because if he does, he'll also have a revolt from some of his own party members.

00:20:53.660 But they can't ignore this forever.

00:20:55.020 That revolt in New Brunswick, I followed that, you know, from afar.

00:20:59.340 But they were talking tough because those mutineers, they were getting such positive feedback on Twitter and from the CBC. 1.00

00:21:07.640 But I think when they went home to their districts in New Brunswick, which is actually a fairly socially conservative place, I think they got an attitude readjustment and they sort of all backed down.

00:21:18.060 And that Angus Reid poll shows why.

00:21:20.300 If I'm going from memory, 86 percent of New Brunswickers supported the premier on this.

00:21:26.460 Because what parent like, I mean, Jonathan Kaye had a tweet the other day saying, you know, this is really a choice between who knows how to raise their kids best parents or a 23 year old gender studies grad who's now a teacher.

00:21:42.040 Like, like, like, like, it's so obvious.

00:21:44.760 And it may not be obvious if you live in the CBC Twitter, you know, echo chamber.

00:21:51.760 But I am absolutely unsurprised that the mutineers backed down because they realized they would be I think if there was an election in New Brunswick, and if the ballot question was on, if this, if this forced an election, if the number one issue in the election was transgenderism and can parents have informed be informed and consent. 0.96

00:22:11.340 I think Blaine Higgs would win every seat in the province.

00:22:16.480 And I say that because the Angus Reid poll shows every demographic, both genders, every age, every background says, yeah, this is crazy.

00:22:25.160 Only the crazy people don't see that it's crazy.

00:22:29.180 100 percent.

00:22:30.160 And do you know who's conducted the biggest poll in the world with all demographics, Ezra?

00:22:34.740 Who?

00:22:35.360 I have.

00:22:36.260 That's right.

00:22:37.560 One at a time.

00:22:38.780 Yeah.

00:22:38.900 I've spoken to more people than anyone because I've been out on the street for 2,500 hours.

00:22:42.940 I speak to Democrats, liberals.

00:22:44.700 I speak to young people, old people, working class people, whoever.

00:22:48.300 That's deeper than just a poll.

00:22:49.600 A poll is like one or two questions.

00:22:51.220 You go deep with these people.

00:22:53.220 That's right.

00:22:53.940 And with a lot of these polls, you might see a poll that says 70 percent of people support our position.

00:23:00.360 Well, as soon as you have a two-minute conversation, a lot of these people who just don't understand what gender-affirming care is, they switch right away.

00:23:08.540 What an Orwellian euphemism that is, gender-affirming care.

00:23:12.280 Well, hey, Chris, we've been talking a bit.

00:23:14.800 It's great to catch up.

00:23:15.660 But we did bring some of the footage that you have been showing, and I think that's wonderful.

00:23:21.300 I'd like to show our viewers some of what we're talking about.

00:23:25.940 And this first shot is from Chicago.

00:23:27.480 You can tell what a beautiful city with the—Chicago really is a gorgeous downtown.

00:23:33.140 It's architecturally incredible.

00:23:34.540 Let's just take a look at some of a day in the life of Billboard Chris Elston meeting the people.

00:23:42.820 If you truly loved your kids, you'd love them if they were transgender. 1.00

00:23:45.880 No such thing as a transgender child. 1.00

00:23:47.480 Fuck you. 1.00

00:23:48.520 Why don't you come and talk about it? 1.00

00:23:50.380 No, you got nothing.

00:23:51.800 You know what?

00:23:53.560 Why don't you come and talk about it?

00:23:56.020 No, no.

00:23:56.740 They didn't really want to talk because they just had a swear for you.

00:24:00.340 But how do you—I mean, I guess that abuse just washes off you.

00:24:05.420 I guess you're numb to it now, or maybe you know—maybe it's a good sign that someone has some passion but not some knowledge.

00:24:12.040 I don't know.

00:24:12.320 What do you think of that?

00:24:13.720 Yeah, I always appreciate the passion, but no, I'm totally numb to all the abuse.

00:24:16.700 It doesn't mean anything to me.

00:24:18.840 I just use these as an opportunity to help educate others.

00:24:22.020 And that one spot I was standing there on Michigan Avenue, there's a lot of tourists there.

00:24:26.340 There are a lot of locals as well.

00:24:27.400 But I was getting nonstop support, Ezra, which I also like to show people, because we've been scared into believing that we're not allowed to talk about this.

00:24:34.860 But 90% of the population supports us on this.

00:24:37.140 Of course, if you go to university campuses or some of these liberal areas, you're going to get a lot more abuse.

00:24:42.020 But most of the people agree.

00:24:43.780 You know what?

00:24:44.380 And I'm glad you said that.

00:24:45.540 And obviously, the negative and the hostility is more entertaining, I suppose, from a visual point of view.

00:24:51.460 But it's important to know that most people, the silent majority, are on site.

00:24:54.720 Here, let's play another clip.

00:24:56.440 And this is a laughing transgender activist confronting you. 1.00

00:25:00.460 I think this clip's a little bit longer.

00:25:02.040 Let's take a look.

00:25:02.940 First of all.

00:25:03.680 Time?

00:25:04.800 Wait, wait.

00:25:05.420 What do you mean that they're, like, wasting their time, like, acting as a boy?

00:25:10.500 If you block the duration of a child's puberty, they don't get to go back to being 11 again and go through puberty.

00:25:15.020 12 years are done.

00:25:15.620 Is it, like, you mean the social distress of having to go through puberty at a later age?

00:25:20.460 No, I mean the physical development they miss out on, they don't get to go through that again.

00:25:24.220 Once those years of puberty have passed, it's done.

00:25:27.040 These boys end up with micropenises for life.

00:25:30.000 Okay.

00:25:30.520 They don't come off puberty blockers and then go through puberty at the age of 18.

00:25:33.240 I'm curious, in terms of, like, statistics, like, how many children do you have in your mind that are transitioning in this way that is irreversible?

00:25:40.920 I want to hear the numbers.

00:25:42.320 So, there's a great Reuters article you can read, actually, if you want to get the exact statistics.

00:25:46.360 Yeah.

00:25:46.760 Tens of thousands of kids are on cross-sex hormones.

00:25:49.300 Several thousand, into the tens of thousands over the years, for sure.

00:25:51.820 So, hormones being...

00:25:52.520 Do you want me to answer your question?

00:25:54.020 Cross-sex hormones.

00:25:54.740 No, I'm asking follow-up questions.

00:25:56.500 I want to make sure I'm following what you're saying.

00:25:57.840 Maybe I can just finish what I'm saying.

00:25:59.600 Okay.

00:26:00.220 Yeah.

00:26:00.900 So, tens of thousands on puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones and thousands of minors receiving surgeries.

00:26:05.040 Is that only puberty blockers for the tens of thousands or is that HRT?

00:26:08.320 I'm curious.

00:26:08.700 So, it's not HRT.

00:26:11.340 HRT is what a menopausal woman does. 1.00

00:26:13.820 This isn't HRT.

00:26:14.440 No, or patocious puberty.

00:26:15.260 We talked about this.

00:26:15.760 This isn't hormone replacement.

00:26:17.420 This is putting hormones in a child's body that don't belong there.

00:26:20.540 Okay.

00:26:21.000 I'm curious.

00:26:21.500 For puberty blockers only, because that's your argument of what's irreversible.

00:26:26.000 Yes.

00:26:26.160 What number of children are on puberty blockers?

00:26:27.900 Several thousand.

00:26:29.280 Several thousand.

00:26:30.620 Okay.

00:26:31.380 It's in the tens of thousands over the years.

00:26:33.080 Okay.

00:26:33.340 No, no, no, no.

00:26:33.840 That's over the years.

00:26:34.780 Sure.

00:26:35.160 Yeah.

00:26:35.300 Right now, currently, you're saying several thousand?

00:26:37.340 Well, we don't have exact statistics on this.

00:26:39.480 This isn't public data.

00:26:41.100 Okay.

00:26:41.220 But Reuters worked with Komodo Health, which is a large insurance company.

00:26:44.260 Okay.

00:26:44.500 And they looked at children who used insurance.

00:26:48.820 Okay.

00:26:49.260 And these were also children who had only had an official gender dysphoria diagnosis.

00:26:54.440 So it's leaving out a lot of kids.

00:26:56.080 Sure.

00:26:56.720 But the numbers were in the tens of thousands.

00:26:58.480 And for surgery...

00:26:59.180 So that's for your definition of cross-sex hormones, though, right?

00:27:03.560 Correct.

00:27:03.580 I'm really curious just for puberty blockers, right?

00:27:06.660 Yes.

00:27:06.840 Because that's what you're arguing is irreversible.

00:27:09.200 Yes.

00:27:09.380 And you're saying several thousand?

00:27:11.880 Yes, that's right.

00:27:12.560 Okay.

00:27:14.020 Go read it.

00:27:14.620 Honestly, that's not that many.

00:27:15.380 Go read it.

00:27:15.980 That's like...

00:27:16.740 Yeah, you don't care about thousands of kids coming to irreversible harm.

00:27:19.920 I would prefer, though...

00:27:21.500 I would rather, like, a kid potentially have, like, a micro-penis the whole life.

00:27:27.160 I really don't.

00:27:28.840 Well, there's no evidence that's happening either.

00:27:30.940 But you bought this lie.

00:27:32.920 That's all you have, is that kids are going to kill themselves, and it's not true. 0.98

00:27:35.640 But the statistics are there that, like, trans youth are killing themselves. 0.72

00:27:39.120 What's statistics?

00:27:41.100 I can't name them on high school.

00:27:42.420 No, you can't.

00:27:43.340 I can.

00:27:44.340 Come on.

00:27:44.980 I can.

00:27:45.700 The only studies that have been done into this, they have never been done on children.

00:27:49.440 The only real studies that have been done into suicidality have been done with the adult population.

00:27:54.540 The most comprehensive study we have is out of Sweden, where no one was lost to follow-up,

00:27:59.340 which is always a problem with these more minor studies.

00:28:02.000 Okay.

00:28:02.260 But it showed that 10 years after sex reassignment with the adult population...

00:28:05.900 Sex reassignment as in, like, a surgical intervention?

00:28:08.580 Is that what you're talking about?

00:28:09.300 Yes.

00:28:09.980 Specifically, like, bottom surgery, top surgery?

00:28:12.240 Okay.

00:28:13.220 So this was...

00:28:13.840 Okay.

00:28:14.600 10 years after sex reassignment surgery, suicides peaked and were 19.1 times higher than their peers.

00:28:20.820 That's after accounting for mental health comorbidity.

00:28:24.080 So equating, apples to apples.

00:28:26.520 If you ignore that, it's more like 40 times higher than their peers.

00:28:29.820 But, you know...

00:28:30.420 So it did nothing to reduce suicidality.

00:28:32.740 Denmark just came out with another study about two months ago, also showing this.

00:28:37.620 All the evidence we have shows that suicides go up, not down, if you transition children. 0.99

00:28:42.560 So your argument is just totally useless, because there's no evidence for it.

00:28:46.280 But it's always used, every single conversation.

00:28:49.680 Well, you know what I like about that, Chris, is I think you actually were educating her.

00:28:56.220 I think she was putting up a brave front and she was pushing back, but I think she was actually

00:29:00.860 listening to you.

00:29:02.020 And I don't think she had considered the things you had said before.

00:29:05.520 And I don't think she understood the effect of puberty blockers and other horrific things.

00:29:10.840 I think that although that certainly felt adversarial, and you could see she was recording

00:29:15.900 it on her phone as well, so she would listen to it later or maybe post it herself.

00:29:21.180 You were firm, and you didn't let her get away with things, and you insisted on being

00:29:27.120 able to finish.

00:29:27.780 But I wouldn't say you were rude.

00:29:29.740 You were firm, and it was obviously interesting enough to her that she stayed engaged.

00:29:34.500 We didn't play the whole clip there, obviously.

00:29:36.200 I think that you told her things she had never heard before.

00:29:41.300 You put ideas to her and facts to her she had never seen before.

00:29:46.140 And I'm not saying you changed her mind, but I think for the first time ever, she heard

00:29:51.380 a dissonant message as opposed to just the regime narrative.

00:29:57.020 I would call what we just saw there a success.

00:30:00.940 Yeah, so she actually started that interaction. 0.85

00:30:03.060 I had my phone on a tripod filming, and she came up to play Disney music into my phone

00:30:08.700 so that I wouldn't be able to play back the recording.

00:30:12.220 She said I would get a DMCA takedown, a copyright notice.

00:30:15.980 So this is what these activists are trying to do to stop people from showing their footage

00:30:19.620 they play a Disney song.

00:30:21.240 But I talked to her for more than 30 minutes.

00:30:23.480 By the way, I don't think that that's what happens.

00:30:25.900 I think that just demonetizes your video.

00:30:28.700 But it shows they're trying to cancel you.

00:30:31.080 But sorry, I interrupted you.

00:30:32.840 So you talked to her for half an hour, you say?

00:30:35.020 Yeah, more than half an hour.

00:30:36.680 She had all the same talking points.

00:30:37.880 But at least she stayed and she listened.

00:30:39.580 Half an hour?

00:30:40.680 That's like...

00:30:41.280 For someone with...

00:30:41.860 Go ahead.

00:30:42.420 Yeah.

00:30:42.880 For someone with that mindset, it's impossible in that moment for them to admit anything.

00:30:46.560 Right.

00:30:47.080 But you can see some of this nervous laughter.

00:30:49.200 Yeah.

00:30:49.460 So I know she goes home and she starts thinking about some of these things more.

00:30:53.560 And she'll be Googling them and she'll be trying to repeat what you said. 1.00

00:30:56.880 If you spent half an hour with her, I mean, first of all, I salute you for your patience

00:31:00.480 and your stamina.

00:31:02.580 But second of all, that is more rebuttals that you have given to her than she will get

00:31:06.920 anywhere else cumulatively in her entire life.

00:31:10.340 Yeah.

00:31:10.900 And the benefit, the added bonus to this is that I put these video clips up on Twitter

00:31:15.520 and they've been seen millions of times.

00:31:17.840 So this is helping to educate people how to talk about this.

00:31:20.480 I received a...

00:31:21.880 I actually met a woman when I was in Milwaukee last week.

00:31:24.800 She came to a talk I was giving.

00:31:27.200 And I talked to her late last year.

00:31:29.720 She'd watched one of my videos from the University of Pennsylvania, where a gay black man who had

00:31:34.520 been giving me a very hard time, I challenged him to come and have a conversation with me and

00:31:39.280 to his credit, he did for 80 minutes.

00:31:41.900 And I put this whole conversation up on Twitter.

00:31:45.000 This woman's daughter had been identifying as a boy.

00:31:47.760 She told me that she used a lot of the talking points from that video at the University of

00:31:51.980 Pennsylvania to talk with her own daughter.

00:31:55.120 And the good news is her daughter isn't identifying as a boy anymore. 0.97

00:31:58.180 She's doing way better.

00:31:59.300 So these videos I know always have, you know, added benefits that I'll never hear about usually

00:32:03.720 down the road.

00:32:04.800 But it's a good combination, the street stuff combined with the internet.

00:32:07.420 Well, you know, there's a Jewish saying, if you save one life, it's like you've saved

00:32:12.220 the whole world.

00:32:13.220 Because for that person, you have.

00:32:15.060 So it sounds like, Chris, that story you told about that mom using your talking points is

00:32:19.440 a huge success.

00:32:20.900 You know, many years ago, I went to Mexico and I went to one of the Aztec pyramids.

00:32:26.980 And it's hard to believe that they sacrificed people on those pyramids, that they cut them

00:32:38.320 open and pulled out their hearts.

00:32:40.680 If you've ever seen the shocking movie by Mel Gibson called Apocalypto, you can see his

00:32:46.620 dramatization.

00:32:48.400 He's trying to show what would that have been like?

00:32:50.420 What would it have been like to have hundreds of people sacrificed on a pyramid in some way?

00:32:57.980 And we know in the past they had child sacrifice.

00:33:02.260 And I don't know, I guess speaking for myself, I always thought, well, that's got to be apocryphal.

00:33:06.980 That's got to be an exaggeration.

00:33:09.000 That's got to be a figure of speech.

00:33:11.660 Who would ever sacrifice a child?

00:33:13.880 I always thought, no, that's just some mythologized dark history that can't be true.

00:33:21.860 Like, I couldn't permit it in my own mind to be true.

00:33:24.860 And I guess I came a little bit face to face with it when I was at those Aztec pyramids.

00:33:28.700 And frankly, when I saw Apocalypto.

00:33:32.180 But that's what's going on here.

00:33:34.780 That's what's going on.

00:33:36.060 And perhaps the greatest taboo of all, sacrificing and destroying the innocence of youth, chopping

00:33:48.040 children up, not cutting out their hearts like they did on the Aztec pyramids, not cutting

00:33:54.060 out their hearts to kill them, but cutting off other body parts and hiding it from parents

00:33:59.000 and dressing it up with some gobbledygook theories and philosophies and pseudoscience, we are reverting 0.82

00:34:07.620 to a pre-history, pre-civilization madness and squalor and evil that, at least for me, it

00:34:19.900 taps into some deep, latent fear of what the world was like, the madness before there was

00:34:26.800 civilization.

00:34:27.500 And I can't believe it's getting so much traction.

00:34:31.940 I just think it's absolute madness.

00:34:34.240 I mean, it's madness when an adult would engage in such a thing.

00:34:38.340 But at least you could probably say, well, they're an adult.

00:34:41.840 They own their own body.

00:34:43.460 And if they make a bad decision, that's on them.

00:34:46.560 But the enormous focus on children here is what's so shocking.

00:34:51.280 And that's what that gay man I'm referring to, the Gay Man's Network in London said, is

00:34:55.580 he thought it was disgraceful, the chopping up of people.

00:34:59.060 But what he could never get over was the focus on children.

00:35:02.880 And that is the most stunning part of it.

00:35:06.860 And that's the most brazen part of it.

00:35:09.720 And that's, I mean, I remember when the movie Tootsie and when drag queens were a curiosity, a niche part of gay culture that was sort of for show. 0.56

00:35:21.980 And it was dramatic and it was over there.

00:35:23.840 And if people were involved with it, it was by choice.

00:35:27.040 It wasn't an ideology being pressed on young children.

00:35:30.540 I think we're in an age of madness, Chris.

00:35:33.480 Yes, I always say that human psychology never changes.

00:35:38.600 And we think we're this advanced species now that we're so much better than our earlier selves from generations ago.

00:35:47.540 But we're all the same.

00:35:49.160 We just have more technology.

00:35:51.420 Look at what the Romans used to do. 0.99

00:35:52.980 Look at what all these ancient cultures used to do.

00:35:55.240 The Romans used to castrate kids. 1.00

00:35:56.600 We're doing it again for a different purpose, but we're harming thousands of kids.

00:36:05.540 As I said in that clip, she says it like it's no big deal.

00:36:07.880 It's only thousands.

00:36:09.220 Well, what I'm doing and what many people like yourself are doing is we're acting proactively so that tens of thousands doesn't turn into hundreds of thousands or even millions in the future.

00:36:20.080 And thousands of children having their lives destroyed is a lot.

00:36:23.620 It's tens of thousands of children on puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones.

00:36:29.880 These are sterilizing kids.

00:36:31.220 They've cut off the breasts of thousands of girls. 1.00

00:36:34.160 As young as 12 years old, this is being done.

00:36:37.460 One girl is suing.

00:36:38.520 She was 13 in grade 8.

00:36:39.640 Her name is Layla Jane.

00:36:40.760 Harmeet Dillon, who ran for the head of the RNC.

00:36:43.160 She's her lawyer.

00:36:44.300 Yeah.

00:36:45.740 This is just total abuse.

00:36:48.080 It's madness.

00:36:49.140 So I can barely talk about these things.

00:36:51.700 I can barely hear some of these things.

00:36:53.920 I, you know, the surgeries that are done are so astonishing.

00:36:58.320 It really, I hate to say it, but it reminds me of the grotesque experiments done by Dr.

00:37:04.700 Joseph Mengele, the Nazi angel of death in Auschwitz on largely Jewish concentration camp inmates.

00:37:15.320 It's the absolutely atrocious, immoral, amoral violence for political delight.

00:37:23.820 That's what I think of when I see what they're doing to children, the surgeries.

00:37:28.140 Chris, it's terrible to talk about, but we have to talk about it.

00:37:30.960 Because if it's terrible to talk about, imagine what it's like to go through it,

00:37:34.100 either as a targeted child or as they're shocked and sad families.

00:37:38.960 Folks, I'd like to invite you to follow Chris on Twitter, where it's very interesting to

00:37:45.920 watch these interactions.

00:37:47.300 His Twitter handle is simply Billboard Chris.

00:37:51.340 And Chris, I'm delighted that you've teamed up with the Leadership Institute to go on tour.

00:37:54.560 I should tell you that when I was very young in my first year of university, I attended a

00:38:00.820 Leadership Institute conference.

00:38:02.700 And it actually set me on the path I'm on for life, the political activism.

00:38:08.540 I credit the Leadership Institute more than any other factor.

00:38:11.740 And so you're in good hands if they're the same now as they were 30 years ago.

00:38:16.500 And getting you on tour will be outstanding.

00:38:22.000 What can I say?

00:38:23.160 Other than keep up the fight, don't lose courage.

00:38:25.900 You know, I have nothing but praise for what you're doing.

00:38:31.020 And I think you are saving lives.

00:38:32.460 So thanks very much for doing it.

00:38:34.540 Thank you so much, Ezra.

00:38:35.680 I appreciate it greatly.

00:38:37.380 And September 22nd, I've got a big protest outside a couple of schools in the Toronto area.

00:38:42.580 So people can check that out on my Twitter as well.

00:38:44.500 Thank you very much.

00:38:45.340 I'm glad you mentioned that because I had forgotten.

00:38:47.360 September 22nd, we will be there with reporters to cover it.

00:38:52.120 Give us just one more sentence about what that is.

00:38:55.940 Where is it going to be located and what's the program?

00:39:00.700 There's two schools.

00:39:01.680 One is the Annunciation Catholic School.

00:39:03.760 The name of the other one escapes me right now, but they're right beside each other.

00:39:07.140 And literally, this is just a way for us to express our disapproval for gender ideology

00:39:12.680 being taught in schools.

00:39:14.000 We shouldn't be teaching children that they might have been born in the wrong body.

00:39:17.540 And this is happening.

00:39:19.060 This indoctrination is happening online and it's happening in schools.

00:39:22.540 Is it happening in that Catholic school?

00:39:24.220 Sounds like one of those schools is a Catholic school.

00:39:26.240 Is it happening there?

00:39:27.640 It's happening in the entire Catholic school board where Josh Alexander got kicked out of.

00:39:35.140 This is this young student activist.

00:39:37.400 He's 18 now, but he wasn't able to graduate high school because he was kicked out of his

00:39:40.920 Catholic school for standing up for some girls who didn't want boys in the back.

00:39:44.420 What does the Pope have to say about that?

00:39:46.580 I mean, surely, surely, I mean, look, I'm not Catholic myself and this Pope is known as

00:39:52.840 a liberal Pope, but has he said anything about puberty blockers and gender reassignment surgery?

00:39:59.900 From what I've seen, I don't know if he's talked about it a lot, but I have seen him speak

00:40:04.720 out against this gender ideology business.

00:40:07.700 Well, I think you should actually communicate a few Catholic school principals to bring him

00:40:12.520 back in line.

00:40:13.180 If a Catholic school is behind this, it's shocking.

00:40:17.320 Oh, it's everywhere.

00:40:18.080 I hear about this in Burnaby, British Columbia, a Catholic school there where kids were being

00:40:21.440 taught this.

00:40:22.420 It's absolutely everywhere.

00:40:23.860 So it depends on the teacher you get.

00:40:26.360 The number one thing parents should be doing at the start of the year, which we're about

00:40:28.680 to start, is talk to your teacher.

00:40:30.560 Say you are not okay with your child being taught anything to do with gender.

00:40:33.900 And if you hear about it being taught to your child, these teachers are going to have a

00:40:36.960 problem.

00:40:37.560 Because one thing teachers and principals hate is complaints from parents.

00:40:40.200 And a lot of them teach this just, they don't even understand themselves, but they teach

00:40:43.660 it.

00:40:44.120 So as soon as you make a fuss about it, they're much less likely to talk, to teach it to your

00:40:48.140 children.

00:40:49.360 All right.

00:40:49.600 Well, there you have it.

00:40:50.420 A feature interview with Billboard Chris, one of the bravest men around.

00:40:53.620 Thank you.

00:40:54.380 And thanks for taking the time to be with us today.

00:40:56.940 Thanks, Cesar.

00:40:57.420 Appreciate it.

00:40:58.140 All right.

00:40:58.980 There you have it.

00:41:00.060 Well, what a topic, eh?

00:41:02.800 I don't understand why that's the battle of our age, but it is.

00:41:07.220 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home,

00:41:12.820 good night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:41:20.420 Bye.

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00:41:21.980 Bye.

00:41:22.480 Bye.

00:41:24.040 Bye.

00:41:24.860 Bye.

00:41:26.980 Bye.

00:41:28.740 Bye.

00:41:29.060 Bye.

00:41:29.280 Bye.

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00:41:30.600 Bye.

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Rebel News Podcast - September 05, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Breaking the echo chambers： A feature interview with Billboard Chris

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