Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ British activist records police call asking what she meant by her tweets

00:00:00.200 Incredible interview today with an incredible woman, Kelly Jane Keene, otherwise known as 0.76

00:00:05.160 Parker Posey, is a British activist who does a lot of work on the issue of transgenderism

00:00:10.520 attacking women's places and girls, but she's also alive to the threat posed by radical

00:00:16.040 Islam. In fact, she tweeted about it and gave a speech about it, and then the police called 0.61

00:00:21.800 her. She had the presence of mind to record that conversation. That's the topic of our

00:00:26.400 long-form interview today. What a brave, brave woman. But first, let me invite you to get the

00:00:32.800 video version of this podcast. We call it Rebel News Plus. Just go to rebelnewsplus.com and click

00:00:37.860 subscribe tonight a terrifying phone call from the British police for a woman

00:00:59.040 to explain her tweets down at the police station it's August 17th and this is the

00:01:04.620 Ezra Levant Show. Well, I am banned from visiting the UK, which makes me very sad. I love that place.

00:01:25.660 And the reason I'm banned is for the vaguest of reasons. My presence there is not conducive

00:01:31.000 to the public good, whatever that means. I should say we filed our lawsuit challenging this decision

00:01:36.920 from the Home Office about a week ago. It'd be interesting to see their response. But in one of

00:01:41.720 my recent visits to the UK, before I was turned into persona non grata, I went to Hyde Park,

00:01:48.620 which is a famous park in London that has a history of being a place with Speaker's Corner,

00:01:55.580 where you can say anything, where there's an extra tolerance for free speech. You might even

00:02:00.640 call it a First Amendment zone. I'd like to say that the entire United States of America

00:02:05.620 is a free speech zone. In the UK, it used to be that way. Let me play you a little clip of my

00:02:12.620 meeting with Kelly Jean King there before I properly introduce her. Here's my visit to the

00:02:17.680 UK. Take a quick look. You're saying the police interviewed you under caution, but you were not

00:02:22.500 actually prosecuted. No, no. So I've been, so I was interviewed under caution for that. And then

00:02:29.080 later on in the year it was about having a photograph of this woman who'd

00:02:32.560 reported me because she ran an organization called mermaids which some

00:02:37.660 of your audience will know but it was it's like the main trans kid lobby

00:02:43.480 gruesome organization in the country so she she then reported me again so I was

00:02:49.120 interviewed under caution again I've been interviewed under caution again for

00:02:52.840 describing someone as a lesbian who didn't have the the courage to be a

00:02:58.900 lesbian and i was i was interviewed then i was arrested during lockdown for going and having a

00:03:04.980 women's meeting in public and i was actually arrested and put in the back of a wagon

00:03:10.040 have you ever been convicted no but they're harassing you who is behind this is it is it

00:03:17.420 just seeping into the police force in general or is there some sort of a get kelly gene well

00:03:24.020 probably both. Who is that interesting woman? Well, she joins us now today because she, 1.00

00:03:30.540 and you won't believe this, she's in trouble again. Joining us now via Zoom is Kelly J. Keene.

00:03:36.800 Kelly, you go by Posey Parker online, which sounds sort of like a, you know, Clark Kent

00:03:42.960 Superman duality, but it's not, you know, whether you're using your stage name or your real name,

00:03:47.520 It's great to see you again. Just refresh our viewers. Your focus is primarily, I think, on the place of women in society, not to be pushed out through transgender extremism.

00:04:01.360 But you're also concerned about the Islamification of the public square. Is that a fair summary of some of the projects you work on?

00:04:08.920 it is and i think they both are very much centered around women um so that it's like a pincer

00:04:16.220 movement both of those things uh seek to eradicate women one pretends we don't exist and the other

00:04:21.620 one would like to shield us behind some sort of fabric prison so they're both they're um two

00:04:26.960 cheeks of the same behind that's a great british saying that i gotta adopt here in in canada um

00:04:34.240 And I mentioned that you were in Speaker's Corner and I saw you had a meeting of people from all walks of life and you invited people to sort of testify about their experience.

00:04:43.600 You're obviously a believer in people being able to speak the truth because you're not going to solve a problem if you can't first name a problem.

00:04:51.220 And I think that's a tactic of authoritarians is to stop you even from mentioning a grievance, lest you actually start to solve it.

00:04:58.740 Now, one of the things you told me when I met you in the UK is that you had been contacted on a number of occasions by police threatening you if you continue to speak out the way you did.

00:05:12.180 But if I'm not mistaken, you said they never moved on from there and they never charged you.

00:05:19.040 They never arrested you. Is that accurate?

00:05:21.720 I want to clear that up because something astounding happened to you just a few days ago that I want to talk about.

00:05:27.860 But so far to date, they've hassled you, harassed you, talked to you on the phone, threatened you, but they haven't actually handcuffed you, jailed you or charged you.

00:05:37.540 Is that correct?

00:05:39.100 Well, they haven't for speech.

00:05:40.420 They did arrest me for daring to speak during COVID because in the United Kingdom, we had this crazy thing that if you were talking about BLM, if you were talking about Black Lives Matter, then you couldn't catch COVID.

00:05:52.940 So you're allowed to be out in public.

00:05:54.520 But if you were talking about any other political issue, then you would get arrested.

00:05:59.480 And I did get arrested during during the lockdown.

00:06:02.420 But aside from that, I've had five occasions, including the police come to my door to tell me to not to be untoward about pedophiles.

00:06:10.980 And they came to my house. But no, I've not been arrested yet and I've not been charged.

00:06:15.920 OK, so that's setting the table for an astonishing recording.

00:06:20.940 You had a phone call with the police.

00:06:23.860 Was it the Metropolitan Police in London or was it a different police force?

00:06:28.240 And they wanted to talk to you about some of your public statements, your speech at Tommy Robinson's rally and some tweets.

00:06:35.080 Is that correct? Absolutely. Yes.

00:06:38.060 The fine fellows at the Metropolitan Police, because in the UK, we have something called sort of protected characteristics,

00:06:46.860 not necessarily cross-sex across um i can't speak today not necessarily uh fully in alignment with

00:06:54.680 the equality act but the police have some other people that they look after more than anybody else

00:06:59.960 and unfortunately women aren't one of those categories so yeah they they gave me a call

00:07:04.980 um it was a beautiful call they read out some tweets uh and also about the the things i said

00:07:11.680 at the tommy robinson rally which you couldn't come to you know i wasn't at the tommy rally this

00:07:17.160 year i wasn't the one the year previous but as you may know the home office banned 11 different

00:07:22.200 people from country and i was one of them caught in the dragnet now you're uh becoming an old pro

00:07:27.880 at this you know your way around this isn't your first rodeo as folks would say so you know the

00:07:33.580 number one thing to do when encountering police is to record them not just for evidence in the

00:07:39.140 court of law, but in the court of public opinion too, because I find that most sensible people

00:07:46.720 really can't believe the state of affairs we're in. And so if you were to tell someone, you know,

00:07:52.100 the police called me up and demanded I came down to the police station to talk about some tweets.

00:07:56.840 If you were to say that without evidence, even your friends might say, really, are you exaggerating?

00:08:03.720 Because it's so absurd. But if you record it, you've got them dead to rights. And it also makes

00:08:08.840 sure that you're very accurate in in what you say in response now you did something really fun here

00:08:13.520 is underneath the phone call you you made a little animation like a little lego character video so

00:08:20.300 and it's a good way to instead of just listening to a six minute phone call we can watch this fun

00:08:26.760 lego animation i'm guessing you did that with an ai video program but it really makes it fun

00:08:33.380 And I want to assure the viewers that although the Lego is obviously created from scratch for this, the audio is what Kelly J recorded herself.

00:08:44.700 So I propose that we play the whole phone call.

00:08:48.340 Now, it's about six minutes, which is a long time on TV, but I don't want to miss any of it.

00:08:54.620 And then afterwards, you and I can chew it over.

00:08:57.340 So without further ado, let me play the six-minute phone call

00:09:02.120 that Kelly J. got from the Metropolitan Police

00:09:05.040 and enjoy the animation, the Lego animation,

00:09:08.260 which gives it a great sense of humor.

00:09:09.860 I think that's one of your strengths is that you can laugh

00:09:12.580 because what else are you going to do, cry?

00:09:14.920 So let's watch the six-minute conversation

00:09:17.680 and then we'll come right back in real life.

00:09:19.040 Take a look.

00:09:21.960 Hello, good afternoon.

00:09:25.160 Hi.

00:09:26.840 Yeah, all good. Thank you for responding to our letter. So we would like to invite you in for a voluntary interview in regards to two separate investigations.

00:09:40.280 It would be a London police station and it would be the plan for your choosing.

00:09:46.600 OK, what for?

00:09:47.640 so the two allegations are from your unite the kingdom rally uh there's been a complaint with

00:09:59.080 regards to your speech specifically with regards to the uh we need to remove islam from our 0.98

00:10:06.040 classrooms it's not too late to get islam out of that building it's not too late to get islam out 1.00

00:10:09.960 of every single official office in this country and more than that is too late it's not too late 0.99

00:10:14.520 is actually by all, if you want to save this country, we have

00:10:17.060 to remove this arm from every single place of authority. 0.94

00:10:19.800 Oh, okay.

00:10:20.900 And the other one investigation is in relation to some tweets.

00:10:27.300 So it is in relation to a tweet from the 23rd of June. 0.99

00:10:33.280 We have Muslim fatigue, the gang rates, the terrorism, the 1.00

00:10:35.640 killing of the girls who enjoy music, the hatred of women 0.98

00:10:37.840 girls, the special courts, the anti-Semitism, the hate

00:10:39.940 preachers, the marches, the violence, the call to prayer,

00:10:41.940 public prayers about Christian

00:10:44.120 preachers that all those

00:10:45.360 interval matches skipping 1.00

00:10:46.500 lunch, the niqabs, the school 0.92

00:10:47.960 that kids visiting mosques, 0.95

00:10:49.340 the Ramadan lights, the Ramadan

00:10:50.520 messages on TV and by public 0.88

00:10:51.720 figures, the cruel slaughter,

00:10:53.400 the hatred of the West, the 0.79

00:10:54.540 hatred of women, the barbarism, 0.91

00:10:55.700 the inbreeding, the censorship, 0.60

00:10:57.520 the two-tier system, the capture

00:10:59.280 of our institutions, but tired

00:11:00.540 of it. Islam is a bar woman 1.00

00:11:01.860 hating, cousin marrying, child 1.00

00:11:03.060 rape, hazing, death toll. 0.82

00:11:05.440 Another tweet from the 23rd of

00:11:07.260 June. There's nothing about the

00:11:08.520 scene that does not scream 1.00

00:11:09.560 backwards regressive subnormal

00:11:10.980 culture which scene was that I'm not sure what scene in particular that you're

00:11:18.600 responding to in that tweet but I'm just reading out the tweets in question and then the last one 1.00

00:11:27.060 is from the 25th of June no one needs foreign money to understand the threat Islam poses to 0.99

00:11:32.040 every last one of us right and then sorry and the police want to invite me in on the 0.89

00:11:40.160 which crime which crime are you referring to so for those it would be for the tweets it would be

00:11:47.860 malicious communication senses on against against an idea who's it against somebody who's read those

00:11:58.580 tweets has taken offence and made the report oh okay and it's the same case with regards to your

00:12:07.040 speech at the United West Rally. Okay so that's interesting so malicious

00:12:12.740 communications is about somebody's feelings irrespective of whether or not

00:12:18.140 it's a criminal sentiment. It's just if someone doesn't like it the police have

00:12:23.880 got some time on their hands so they want to get involved malicious

00:12:27.680 communications is the reason we're inviting them for a call from Plus 3

00:12:30.540 interview so voluntary interview it's about the intention of the tweets so we

00:12:34.280 need to evidently ask you some questions in regards to your intention when you made those

00:12:37.840 comments. Because if the intention behind a tweet, for example, is to deliberately make

00:12:43.260 someone harassed, allowed to distress, then that could be malicious communications. And

00:12:50.040 the, with regards to speech, it would be under the Public Order Act. It, again, is intention

00:12:57.160 whether you intended to cause or act in allowing to distress the complainant.

00:13:00.120 right okay so as long as i don't intend anything it's not a crime but if i had some sort of

00:13:07.400 intention which you would be able to infer from a voluntary interview which i i won't be attending

00:13:13.560 but if i would then it's a wow okay well that's very interesting thank you for the call

00:13:21.240 okay so and i take it that you won't be attending voluntary interview no i think i think what we

00:13:25.960 can do here is we can test the elasticity of the pace and and we'll see how that is so just remind

00:13:35.980 just remind me what does a voluntary interview mean what happens if I don't bother to come in

00:13:43.840 Yeah, so this case has gone up to the CPS for early advice, they've asked us to request

00:13:49.080 a voluntary interview. We'll probably send it back to the CPS saying that you weren't

00:13:52.900 willing to come in, at which point they'll make a decision as to whether they're willing

00:13:56.620 to see the case. If they do, then arrest is an option under courtesy of PACE if someone's

00:14:02.480 not thought it was likely to attend the police station themselves.

00:14:04.680 Yeah, and that's proportionate? It's proportionate, is it? Like under PACE, it doesn't have to

00:14:10.740 It would be proportionate whether or not you would take further action and, I don't know, come and arrest me at this house, for example.

00:14:15.920 The proportionate thing at this stage is to offer you a caution plus three interview, which I'm doing.

00:14:19.020 But then if we can't get you in for an interview and the intent is an important backfactor in the offence, yes, it will be proportionate for us.

00:14:24.160 Sorry, you said a what? Voluntary interview? What did you say?

00:14:29.780 Oh, it's a caution plus three interview.

00:14:31.700 A caution plus three?

00:14:33.860 Plus three.

00:14:35.040 Are you saying three, like?

00:14:38.720 Three, the number.

00:14:39.440 oh a caution plus three and can you just can you just expand on what that means

00:14:45.500 what does that mean it's a voluntary interview but it essentially it just means that you are

00:14:53.060 under caution during the interview so anything you say can be used in evidence and the plus

00:14:58.940 three is essentially that you have extra rights and entitlements by there like you can lead the

00:15:01.760 station at any point I have to make sure that you're aware that you're not under arrest and

00:15:05.180 you're free to leave whenever you ask to. So I could come up and then just leave after two

00:15:10.160 minutes? Yeah, if you'd like to. Okay. Amazing. All right. Well, thank you so much for your time

00:15:16.700 today. And I'll look forward to probably not meeting you, but thank you very much.

00:15:22.320 Okay. Thank you. Bye. Cheers. Bye-bye.

00:15:27.020 Well, there's the six minute animation. And just to remind everyone, that was a real phone call.

00:15:34.460 The animation was done to make it watchable in our age of video.

00:15:38.800 And whoever did that video, I don't know if it was you yourself or a friend, had a great sense of humor.

00:15:43.820 And I love the fact that you were casually sipping a beach cocktail throughout.

00:15:49.160 But I think that does reflect your general happy warrior mentality.

00:15:53.540 I mean, even your look is sort of a fun, upbeat, you know, stiff upper lip, but having some fun.

00:15:59.520 The best of Britain.

00:16:00.840 There were so many interesting things in there.

00:16:03.340 um the idea of a voluntary interview and if you say the wrong things though it'll it'll turn into

00:16:12.580 evidence against you like who on earth would even do that like that that's just it's like that scene

00:16:19.140 from star wars it's a trap you know i mean who would walk into that kelly jay well i'll tell you

00:16:25.840 who would most most people would feel really quite worried about having something like a voluntary

00:16:32.020 interview hanging over them and i'll tell you why if you don't go to the interview they can

00:16:37.760 eventually arrest you so in my in 2017 when i was first contacted about saying it was wrong to

00:16:43.700 castrate children the crime of um of saying that on twitter um i was told that if i tried to leave

00:16:50.980 the country they would arrest me if i got pulled over for speeding then they would arrest me you

00:16:56.040 know it would sort of become a warrant out for your arrest if you didn't attend this voluntary

00:17:00.800 interview and for most law-abiding people who aren't used to kind of just how um terrifying

00:17:08.500 the police have become like they have they have become the thought police um we know they don't

00:17:13.940 come for other things so if you're burgled they're not coming out if even if sometimes there's

00:17:19.040 somebody in your house the police don't come out but they they are very keen um to come and arrest

00:17:25.220 people there was a woman recently arrested for taking a photograph of um a migrant hotel so a

00:17:30.920 hotel where there's some migrants illegal migrant staying and she took a photo and put something

00:17:36.180 about it online nothing that i recall to be sort of criminal at all and she was a carer for her

00:17:43.740 elderly mother with alzheimer's and the police came and arrested her in her house like three

00:17:48.600 police officers so we are living in a really really terrifying time um so also when you go

00:17:55.340 to that voluntary interview uh you are under caution and i think what the police want to do

00:18:00.700 then is is trap you into saying something um that incriminates yourself and they can offer you a

00:18:08.160 caution or they can you know swiftly get you into an emergency call while our country lets rapists

00:18:16.200 and violent criminals out early like we are in real big trouble in the united kingdom wow you

00:18:23.960 know um i mean that tactic it's a psychological dare isn't it it's come in now of of your own

00:18:31.440 volition as if like you say most people would be terrified i think most people i mean finding a

00:18:38.560 lawyer hiring a lawyer getting the lawyer come in people like you and me who are maybe more

00:18:44.020 legally experienced even for us that's a hassle and a challenge and a cost but i think for an

00:18:50.080 ordinary brit especially someone working class who doesn't have a thousand pounds to to hire a lawyer

00:18:56.300 to come in with them would be terrified would probably go in unarmed legally and probably would

00:19:03.460 be tricked by sophisticated interrogators who do this for a living and it was just some bloke who

00:19:09.700 a comment on Facebook. And like you say, immediately being charged... Like, the UK, after various

00:19:17.860 riots, has set up these 24-hour nighttime courts, which feel like drumhead trials. Like, just keep

00:19:24.180 them going, keep it through, keep it going, scare them, get them to plead guilty. Like, I understand

00:19:29.380 according to the Times of London, there are 30 of these non-crime hate incidents a day. 30 people

00:19:36.900 arrested a day that doesn't even include cases like yours where you were not

00:19:41.280 arrested so this is a it's a factory and I understand the Met Police themselves

00:19:46.560 have more than a hundred officers who do nothing but monitor social media do you

00:19:51.420 are you aware of the of the police infrastructure are my statistics out of

00:19:56.100 date are there even more now I mean our whole police is captured I don't quite

00:20:01.740 know that the number of personnel but I do know that it's rotten to the core

00:20:05.760 with um police that you know there's there's many mechanisms as to why it happens one of them is

00:20:12.440 you get a free degree with no debt if you go in the police force and then i guess if you make

00:20:16.720 a few sort of mickey mouse arrests and you can put that in your semester you leave you stay in

00:20:21.600 the police force for a couple of years you don't really care about the job and then and then you're

00:20:25.320 off into the the wider world so there's there's many there's many reasons why it's wrong we've 1.00

00:20:31.620 also got loads of dei crap in the police force um you know any any way you look right through the 0.96

00:20:39.240 civil service right through our institutions i mean i i don't know how canada is i'm not allowed 0.98

00:20:44.480 in your country either um so we'll have to meet in the in the middle of the atlantic ocean or

00:20:51.860 something and have a conference of the exiles you know i want to tell you one of my favorite

00:20:56.800 moments in that video was when the cop was reading out a very lengthy tweet he was like

00:21:02.260 reading out a litany of things that people are genuinely fatigued by you know there there's

00:21:08.700 quote islamophobia but i think there's also just fatigue of islam people just don't want to talk

00:21:15.020 about it all the time don't want to be on the defense of all the time don't want the public

00:21:19.180 norms changing all the time don't want blasphemy debates in parliament don't want also like it's

00:21:25.140 like just enough already but it's to hear that cop read your tweet i have to say i got a kick out of

00:21:33.260 it and i bet you sort of did too to have him rehearse i mean he was giving a little speech

00:21:37.840 of his own now wasn't he i know i was offended i might actually report him for malicious

00:21:43.280 communications because i feel that he i was so offended with that tweet um it's so it's slow

00:21:50.980 and then it's fast you know one minute you're beginning to think oh there's there's quite a

00:21:55.580 few things going on in this country that i don't really like um there's a lot like 25 percent of

00:22:00.420 our meat is halal slaughter and there's only sort of six percent muslim it's on all our school menus

00:22:06.020 for example it's not labeled um most of our sort of takeaway chicken places um brands that you

00:22:12.520 would have heard and otherwise um they mostly serve halal it's just it's it's quite everywhere

00:22:18.780 um some cities we have call to prayer i mean nobody wants that like nobody wants that at all

00:22:25.900 um we have sharia courts in this country we have about 80 sharia courts um we have fgm nobody's 0.99

00:22:34.120 been prosecuted for that we have more and more women wearing the niqab this is this is not how 1.00

00:22:39.720 we live there are 50 plus countries where if you want to go and live like that you can go and live 0.95

00:22:45.000 with all of the other glorious things that that particular culture might offer.

00:22:49.360 But the UK is not one of those countries.

00:22:53.400 And if we don't speak about it now,

00:22:56.120 there will come a time when nobody can speak about it.

00:23:00.180 And I'm just not having it.

00:23:02.840 I just want to talk about it.

00:23:03.880 I'm not having this silence over this issue.

00:23:07.160 Very interesting.

00:23:08.160 Now, you mentioned that a lot of what you were saying was not against a certain person or people.

00:23:19.100 It was against an idea.

00:23:21.280 And I know Geert Wilders, the Dutch politician, uses that same way of thinking as well. 0.98

00:23:25.960 He says Islam is an idea.

00:23:28.300 It's a philosophy.

00:23:29.060 It's a religion.

00:23:29.660 It's a political doctrine.

00:23:31.120 And we all ought to be able to criticize it.

00:23:33.780 My late friend Tarek Fata, who was born a Muslim himself, was worried that he would be one of the first people arrested because he was such a skeptic, critic.

00:23:44.620 I wouldn't use the word apostate, but he railed against his religion.

00:23:48.240 As, by the way, Jews, Christians, and others often fight with their own religion, disagree with their own religion.

00:23:54.420 And I think one of the very powerful and un-British things that has happened is that criticizing a philosophy is now taken as a malicious communication against a particular person. 0.77

00:24:12.060 And, you know, I think that that's very clever how Islamophobia has been defined as criticism of the idea itself.

00:24:22.360 and i think that what you really had here was a kind of sharia enforcement of a blasphemy law

00:24:28.580 that's how it felt to me yeah absolutely look we have um in our cps which is our crime prosecution 0.97

00:24:36.200 service there is a muslim network so i think they are the scourge of all employee employment 1.00

00:24:42.620 um and institutions actually you have these staff networks it started as something casual and now 1.00

00:24:48.480 they are quite influential and they will help shape policy. Now, the Muslim network at the

00:24:54.520 Crime Prosecution Service has been active, very, very active in this anti-Muslim hate crime 0.61

00:25:00.740 nonsense that we seem to have. And it's merely blasphemy by the back door. And they seem to be 0.54

00:25:08.280 quite powerful. And they also work with other organizations that may or may not have some

00:25:15.080 links to some quite shady organizations so this stuff has been going on a really really long time

00:25:21.680 we need to just get all of these staff networks out of any position of influence in any of our

00:25:28.920 institutions it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever um and you know we can't go back

00:25:35.460 into having blasphemy laws we haven't had them for quite some time so uh you know it's it's my

00:25:41.840 duty as a woman that can see what's happening that i raise the alarm so that everybody else

00:25:48.900 can really have a good look at exactly what's happening in the uk you know kelly j 20 years

00:25:55.240 ago when i was a much younger man i was the publisher of a print magazine called the western

00:25:59.680 standard and we republished several of the danish cartoons of mohammed uh in the magazine to show

00:26:08.100 our viewers what the fuss was about and i was hauled before the alberta human rights commission

00:26:13.500 and they asked me one of the questions that they asked you in the call here let me play the clip

00:26:21.660 here's my interrogator asking me what my intentions were why my intentions were and here listen to the

00:26:31.440 answer to you i always ask people even though they've been as there as you have in summary

00:26:36.700 fashion, what was your intent and purpose of your article with the cartoon illustrations

00:26:42.440 published on February 27, 2006?

00:26:45.800 Why is that a relevant question?

00:26:51.220 Under Section 3.1a, it talks about intention, purpose.

00:26:58.620 We'd like to get some background as well.

00:27:00.940 Is it—you'd like to get some background, or does this determine anything?

00:27:05.600 we publish what we publish.

00:27:08.240 The words in the picture speak for themselves.

00:27:10.760 Are you saying that one answer is wrong and one answer is right?

00:27:16.760 Is a certain answer contrary to law?

00:27:21.420 No.

00:27:22.540 So if I were to say, hypothetically,

00:27:25.100 that the purpose was to instill hatred, incite hatred, and cause offense,

00:27:31.600 are you saying that's an acceptable answer?

00:27:33.240 I have to look at it in the context of all the information and determine if it was indeed.

00:27:39.760 I think you're playing silly bundry here.

00:27:41.340 I think you know that the answer here, that that answer would be illegal.

00:27:50.540 Anything is possible, I guess.

00:27:52.760 But again, I look at it.

00:27:54.320 This kind of Section 3 case takes a lot of analysis.

00:27:57.600 So there's a lot of things I have to look at.

00:27:59.680 That piece of information is just one.

00:28:01.340 So, Kelly J, the fact that they want to know your intentions shows that it's a thought

00:28:07.460 crime.

00:28:08.460 It's not even a words crime, because you tweeted what you tweeted, and you said what you said,

00:28:13.720 and this cop was very clear.

00:28:16.120 He said, I want to know what was in your heart.

00:28:19.440 What were your intentions, was his phrase, as if your freedom depends on what you feel,

00:28:27.400 what you believe.

00:28:28.400 I think that's the scariest question of them all.

00:28:31.600 Yeah, well, we have lots of that over here.

00:28:34.480 We have, I've been a victim of threats.

00:28:38.840 So a man at Speaker's Corner threatened to cut my throat and he's going to court this month or next month.

00:28:45.420 And I've got another man who actually sent me really obscene messages of part of his anatomy.

00:28:52.380 And I was asked to give these witness statements about, you know, how did you feel about that?

00:28:58.400 and I'm sick and tired of these sorts of things it's either a crime or it's not it doesn't matter

00:29:05.120 who committed the crime who the crime was against it doesn't matter how the victim felt about the

00:29:10.420 crime it's either a crime or it isn't either what I said is illegal i.e incited like a direct

00:29:17.440 incitement of violence uh something like hey let's meet at seven o'clock and go and do some bad

00:29:23.260 things that's incitement of violence the rest of it i don't think it is i think you you know it has

00:29:28.420 to be real purposeful and there has to be an act that that would be likely to follow on from what

00:29:33.580 i said well that isn't that hasn't happened here at all i've simply said that we need to be looking

00:29:38.640 at what the hell is going on in the uk what i intended unless it's explicit in the words that

00:29:46.960 I said exactly what my intention was i.e. only an intention to commit a crime then you know

00:29:54.580 obviously I'm not going to be forthcoming because the police will use something called alarm

00:29:59.920 harassment and distress so if I intended like if I say well I wanted to be offensive for example

00:30:06.500 then that would be oh you intended to call someone alarm harassment or distress and I'm

00:30:13.400 I'm not gifting any of that to the police.

00:30:17.320 I was going to come to the UK to watch the Unite the Kingdom rally.

00:30:21.260 That's Tommy Robinson's big rally.

00:30:22.580 I was there for the first one, which set records for turnout.

00:30:25.760 It was just enormous.

00:30:27.120 And I was interested in the second one.

00:30:28.960 I was not allowed to attend because Keir Starmer, the prime minister, he actually put out an official video statement about basically he thought.

00:30:39.140 I mean, this was in his final weeks as prime minister.

00:30:41.840 He was the most despised British prime minister in recent memory, basically since polling began.

00:30:47.540 He was so unlikable.

00:30:48.880 I mean, you have to give the Labour Party some points for at least having a preservation instinct to get rid of the guy.

00:30:56.320 But you could tell that in his final moments, he thought, oh, maybe if I recast myself as a protector of the UK against these foreign far right agitators, maybe that'll buy me some more time.

00:31:09.540 Here's a quick flashback to Keir Starmer's dying statement where he mentioned far-right agitators.

00:31:15.900 That's when he banned me. Here, take a quick look at that.

00:31:18.200 Tomorrow's march in London is a reminder of what we're up against in the battle of our values.

00:31:24.420 The organizers, including convicted thugs and racists, are peddling hatred and division, plain and simple.

00:31:33.860 Their goal is to convince people that Britain's problems are caused by those living alongside them.

00:31:39.860 But that is not the Britain that I know.

00:31:42.860 This is a country built on decency, fairness and respect.

00:31:47.860 A country that is at its best when people from different backgrounds come together in common purpose.

00:31:54.860 This is our country, with a majority who share those values.

00:31:58.860 A majority who may not always be as loud, but must always define who we are.

00:32:04.860 So, my government will not stand in the way of peaceful protest.

00:32:08.860 But we will act decisively against hatred.

00:32:11.860 We will use the full force of the law when that hatred manifests as violence.

00:32:17.860 And we will ban those coming into the UK who seek to stir it up, as we have done already.

00:32:24.860 because this country belongs to all of us

00:32:28.520 and I will not tolerate anyone

00:32:30.800 who seeks to stand in the way of that.

00:32:34.120 That was enough to keep foreigners like me away,

00:32:36.600 but obviously you're a Brit, so he couldn't kick you out.

00:32:38.880 I want to play a moment from your speech

00:32:42.520 because I want our viewers to judge for themselves

00:32:45.120 if you should be locked up.

00:32:47.480 Here, let's take a look at your comments. 1.00

00:32:50.160 It's not too late to get Islam out of our classrooms. 1.00

00:32:54.860 It's not too late to get Islam out of that building. 0.99

00:33:03.860 It is not too late to get Islam out of every single official office in this country. 0.88

00:33:12.860 And more than not too late, it is absolutely vital. 1.00

00:33:17.860 If we want to save this country, we have to remove Islam from every single place of authority. 1.00

00:33:28.100 Kelly J, I come from Canada and Canada is sort of the merger of two different tribes. 1.00

00:33:34.220 There is the British who beat the French at the Battle of the Plains of Abraham. 0.61

00:33:40.000 But the French certainly were able to keep their rights.

00:33:43.640 They were able to keep their Catholic religion.

00:33:44.920 In fact, the word Catholic is four times in our constitution.

00:33:48.780 It is hardwired that the Quebecers are allowed to keep their religious traditions.

00:33:53.600 And that was part of the grand bargain that has lasted for almost 300 years.

00:33:59.460 But in Quebec itself, there was a rebellion, a quiet revolution against the power of the church.

00:34:07.220 A hundred years ago, the Catholic church in Quebec was very powerful.

00:34:11.020 They controlled so many aspects of life.

00:34:12.920 i wouldn't say they were co-equal to the you know elected politicians but pretty close

00:34:17.420 and and they did control many social services and and things like that and it was um they called it

00:34:24.800 if i'm saying my french correct to to bring back secularism and there was basically a war

00:34:31.900 on catholicism war is too big a word but a counter-revolution let's say 0.97

00:34:38.020 and everything you said there let's get islam out of the classroom let's get it out of this 0.55

00:34:43.820 institution every single thing you said there about islam was said on francais about catholicism

00:34:52.960 and by the way it became the norm i mean in canada not too long ago i remember as a child

00:35:00.280 sunday shopping was banned by law uh in saskatchewan the lord's prayer was thrown out

00:35:08.080 by a judge and so everything in your speech has been said and in fact was largely triumphant

00:35:17.640 when it was aimed against christianity and now you're talking about you said islam you didn't

00:35:24.080 say this muslim person that people you said the idea islam get islam i'm not too late to get

00:35:30.720 everything you said was about an idea and to me that's what's terrifying is that you are no longer

00:35:37.760 allowed to have an idea if it offends a particular religious group well you say that i think you are

00:35:46.480 allowed to have loads of ideas if it's against any other religious group um it is just this one

00:35:53.120 this one is incredibly influential um this one doesn't bend this one has a long history

00:35:59.440 like a long long history of doing exactly what it's doing here which which is it comes as a as a

00:36:07.160 um a minority it's a quite a darvo victim status minority until it gets certain power so at first

00:36:16.080 it's like oh we're so poor us and then it becomes hey you know you should consider us and then it

00:36:22.320 becomes there is no one else to consider but us so uh you know this particular idea i look i get

00:36:30.460 it i think you're you're absolutely right but i think it's so so serious because it is this

00:36:36.860 particular set of ideas um which is not quite a religion it's not quite a political movement

00:36:42.620 it's everything it's all everything it's all encompassing um which i think is why we need to

00:36:48.400 talk about it by the way what you said at tommy robinson's rally i attended in the uk at some of

00:36:55.680 the massive anti-israel rallies and by the way there was no dividing line in the signs or the

00:37:01.860 chance between israel and the jews and um so i i mean it was it was rather terrifying and the double

00:37:12.360 Well, the two tier standard is shocking if what you said at Tommy Robinson's rally is something that they want you to come to the police station to talk about.

00:37:21.880 But I am unaware of any similar arrests, certainly not of any speakers at these pro pro Hamas.

00:37:30.800 They were absolutely pro Hamas rallies. I mean, they should have been prosecuted on those grounds alone. 0.89

00:37:37.440 Very, very interesting.

00:37:38.920 And I like to say, Kelly J., that the UK is like a dystopian time machine for us here

00:37:44.960 in North America.

00:37:45.920 What happens in the UK today will happen in Canada within five years and in the United

00:37:51.200 States within 10.

00:37:52.500 So it's a very useful study.

00:37:55.540 And I feel a great sympathy and connection in the United Kingdom, but I also see it as

00:37:59.720 a grim warning.

00:38:00.700 Let me close on maybe an optimistic note by asking you, do you have any allies? 1.00

00:38:07.220 Do you have allies in any NGOs, any political leaders, any progressive Muslims?

00:38:14.780 Who is on your side? 0.99

00:38:19.000 I think the last is probably not something that exists, progressive Muslim. 1.00

00:38:25.640 I don't think you can be both things. 1.00

00:38:26.960 Um, obviously, uh, Tommy Robinson and, um, Nigel Farage, uh, you know, those, those people that

00:38:35.780 not necessarily my, uh, I, I certainly align with their, their views on this particular

00:38:42.160 issue, the issue of sort of undue influence, uh, in places. But, you know, I, I guess there's,

00:38:50.360 there's a lot of people across the spectrum that are properly beginning to get worried about,

00:38:54.500 um islam and the influence it has and at the moment a lot of those people are sort of it's uh

00:39:01.180 it's quiet whispers at dinner parties when when nobody's listening but those those voices will 0.97

00:39:08.180 get louder the more this the more this influences and um infringes upon people's liberty i think

00:39:14.580 the the more we'll talk about it i just hope that that happens before it's too late that's all that

00:39:22.900 needs to happen. You know, can I close by reading you a poem? It's a poem by Kipling called The

00:39:32.060 Beginnings, and it's a terrifying poem. He was very productive. He had an enormous number of

00:39:39.640 poems, and some of them are very famous, like If, probably his most famous poem, and others are,

00:39:46.820 I don't know how long you'll be able to read them, but this one's called The Beginnings.

00:39:49.840 let me just read a bit of it to you. It was not part of their blood. It came to them very late

00:39:55.800 with long arrears to make good when the English began to hate. Have you ever heard this one

00:40:01.980 before? No, carry on. They were not easily moved. They were icy willing to wait till every count

00:40:08.920 should be proved ere the English began to hate. Their voices were even and low. Their eyes were

00:40:15.860 level and straight. There was neither sign nor show when the English began to hate. It was not

00:40:21.340 preached to the crowd. It was not taught by the state. No man spoke it aloud when the English

00:40:25.900 began to hate. It was not suddenly bred. It will not swiftly abate through the chill years ahead

00:40:34.260 when time shall count from the date that the English began to hate. That's a poem called

00:40:41.700 The Beginnings by Rudyard Kipling, and I'm just getting a shiver reading that. He has some others.

00:40:48.420 The Stranger at My Gate is similar, and he was talking about other threats, I think.

00:40:56.860 I mean, he was active over 100 years ago, and the prospect of this domestic challenge in the UK

00:41:05.320 would not have been visible to him. Even Orwell himself couldn't predict many of the censorship

00:41:10.660 because of the technology and I think Kipling didn't know what was coming but the idea is there

00:41:15.520 that the British hail fellow well met stiff upper lip fair play the best people in the world

00:41:22.240 can they in the end be moved and I think that's what that poem's about

00:41:26.960 yeah I think we're all okay until we're not and then when we're not you know you know up with this

00:41:34.100 we will not put and then I I'm just hope I just hope at the moment that that sleeping lion finds

00:41:40.560 its rule. Well, it's great to catch up with you. I think you're very brave. I enjoyed our brief

00:41:46.160 meeting in London at Hyde Park. And when I saw that video that you made, that Lego video of the

00:41:53.400 phone call, I thought that's such a great way to do it. And it showed your happy warrior nature.

00:41:59.780 I hope we can keep in touch. I think they'd be foolish to prosecute you. I think you're just 0.98

00:42:05.640 too um telegenic too well known and you can fight back and they they would prefer to pick on someone

00:42:13.220 a little bit smaller and a little bit easier to battle um but you know uh things are things are

00:42:20.560 rough in the uk let me close with um a clip from the oval office when keir starmer um pledged to

00:42:27.640 donald trump no no um the united kingdom deeply deeply believes in free speech or at least it

00:42:33.760 used to. He used a strange verbiage. I think he said something like, we have a great history.

00:42:38.580 It was a past tense. Here, take a quick look at that clip. I said what I said, which is that

00:42:43.120 we do have, of course, a special relationship with our friends in the UK and also with some

00:42:47.320 of our European allies. But we also know that there have been infringements on free speech

00:42:52.580 that actually affect not just the British, of course, what the British do in their own country

00:42:57.800 is up to them, but also affect American technology companies and by extension, American citizens. So

00:43:03.020 that is something that we'll talk about today at lunch we've had free speech for a very very long

00:43:07.160 time in in the united kingdom and uh and it will last for a very very long time well no i mean i 0.58

00:43:13.640 certainly we wouldn't want to reach across u.s citizens and we don't and that's absolutely right

00:43:18.120 but um in relation to free speech in the uk i'm very proud of our our history there yeah i i don't

00:43:23.800 think that keir starman was telling the truth and the fact that you received this um terrifying

00:43:29.760 phone call says that britain has some big problems good luck my friend and uh keep in touch

00:43:35.820 thank you so much our pleasure there you have it kelly j keen also known as parker posey

00:43:41.860 very brave woman and a happy warrior that's our show for the day until tomorrow on behalf of all

00:43:48.860 of us here at rebel world headquarters to you at home good night and keep fighting for freedom

00:43:59.760 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - August 18, 2026

EZRA LEVANT ｜ British activist records police call asking what she meant by her tweets

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