EZRA LEVANT ｜ Carney just signed a trade deal with China： What did he actually get？
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What did Mark Carney get in China, and what did he have to give to get it? Plus, Ezra takes a look at the Federal Court of Appeal ruling on the Canola Tariff Dispute, and Amy Ham, the BC Nurse.
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Hello, my friends. I want to take a second look at what Mark Carney achieved in China.
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What did he get and what did he have to give to get it? It's terrible math. I think he's a terrible
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negotiator. We'll also talk to Amy Ham, the BC nurse, and then we'll look at the ruling from
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the Federal Court of Appeal. They were asked to review the Emergencies Act ruling. Some good news
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there. That's ahead. But first, let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus. That's
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Tonight, Mark Carney calls for a new world order with China as his boss.
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It's January 16th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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Well, Mark Carney had his big meetings in China, but what exactly did he get? Well, he got something,
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a reduced tariff on agricultural products, including those targeting Saskatchewan. Premier
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Scott Moe was there, and he's got to be happy about that. That was a terrible loss to his
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community. And for some reason, Mark Carney and Doug Ford and the rest of them never really
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had a boycott China campaign. The same way they had a boycott America campaign for much
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lower tariffs. Remember the tariffs on canola, which is a crop grown in the prairies. It's a 100%
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tariff, effectively making it impossible to buy any. No reaction from the other premiers or from the
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federal government who banned, in the case of Ontario, American liquor or who ran TV attack ads in the United
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States against Trump. I guess you can't really run attack ads in China, can you? And that's about all.
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That's about all Canada got from China. So not actually progress, but just undoing some regress,
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as in China hurt Saskatchewan, and it agreed to stop hurting Saskatchewan. I'm not sure if that counts
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as a great deal. That's sort of where the status quo was a year ago. So that's what Canada got. If I've
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missed something, please let me know. And what did China get in return for stopping hurting Saskatchewan?
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It's pretty much the only thing we got. Well, they now have the right to sell 49,000 Chinese-made
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cars into the Canadian market at low prices. Here's Mark Carney describing this, and he's quite excited
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about it. He really emphasizes how cheap these cars are. In trade talks, that's called dumping.
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When you dump a product in the market at such a low price, you beat all the domestic competition.
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Here's Mark Carney bragging about China dumping 49,000 vehicles in the market.
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China's strengths, for example, in electric vehicles are formidable. They're undeniable.
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These are the most affordable and energy efficient and innovative vehicles in the world.
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And for Canada to build our own competitive EV sector, we need to learn from, partner with,
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and access and build supply chains with China. To help deliver on the full potential of these
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partnerships and to bring down costs for Canadians, we're going to start by allowing up to 49,000
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Chinese electric vehicles into the Canadian market at the most favored nation tariff rate, which is 6.1%.
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Oh, I guess he forgot to run this by his best friend, Doug Ford, because was Doug Ford ever upset?
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Holy smokes. He didn't quite say he wanted the deal undone, because I don't think he is publicly willing
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to throw Saskatchewan under the bus that way, but he basically said he wanted the deal undone.
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Absolutely not. I didn't have any consultation. I didn't consult with any of the automakers.
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This is going to be terrible for not only just all the people of Ontario, but especially the auto manufacturers,
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the supply chain. We're letting China into a market that's going to have lower tariffs than our largest market,
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the US. And I don't think that's going to go over too well with President Trump. But it's going to hurt
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every single auto manufacturer, every single supply chain that has anything to do with the auto sector.
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This was not thought out properly. It wasn't consulted. It was a knee-jerk reaction as far as I'm concerned.
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In terms of other wins for China, I mean, 49,000 cars is certainly a toehold. But I think the big win
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was Mark Carney abandoning any talk about China being a human rights threat or a security threat.
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Remember when Mark Carney was running for office and said China was literally
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the number one threat to Canada? Here's the clip.
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Well, we're in a security section. I think we didn't have a chance to talk about anything internationally.
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I think the biggest security threat to Canada is China.
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Well, China has won his total silence. In fact, more than that, you saw in the meeting Michael Ma,
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the defector from the Conservative Party to the Liberals, basically a stooge of the Communist Party of China,
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gets his reward by going to China. Mark Carney is now closer to Xi Jinping in China than he is to Donald Trump.
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So that's all new, that we've changed our ideology and our outlook, a totally new foreign policy,
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according to Foreign Minister Anita Anand. But remember why they said they were going to China
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in the first place? For investment, for jobs, to diversify our economy, right?
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But how does selling Chinese cars in Canada benefit Canadian industry? How does that undo
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our over-reliance on the United States? If the whole idea was to make Canada more resilient,
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more independent, open up new markets for us, isn't it true that the only new market that was opened up
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is Canada's automobile market to Chinese producers? Now, there have been some instances, I understand,
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of China agreeing to build their car factories elsewhere, but no surprise, they use Chinese workers
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to do it. There's no local benefit. They're not going to have an auto industry for a Chinese company
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based in Ontario paying Ontario workers Ontario wages. That's not how it works.
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That the way that China undercuts its competitors is precisely because they're built in China with
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no environmental, no labor, none of the regulations that push up, no healthcare. I mean, where is,
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I see the investment payoff for China, but where is it for Canada? They said they will buy our natural
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resources, but only if we can get them to market. And I'm not sure if we can get them to market,
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because the liberal government has stopped the pipelines for 10 years. They've stopped it first
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under Justin Trudeau, and now under Mark Carney, there's the tanker ban. There's kowtowing to
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lobby groups on the West Coast. It's still not clear how Mark Carney can actually increase
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non-US exports, let alone dramatically. Remember, he said that was his goal.
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But even if he could, even if he could double the amount of exports to non-American buyers,
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the numbers are so tiny compared to US trade. I went through them yesterday. I mean,
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you could quadruple, you could multiply by 10 the exports to China and won't even come close to what we
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sell to the United States. I think what will linger here, other than some breaks for Saskatchewan,
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I think what will stay on and how this trip will be remembered is this comment from Mark Carney,
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spoken so deliberately, looking around after every word he was trying to make a big impact when he said,
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Welcome to the China-led New World Order. You saw this clip.
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Mine is the first visit of a Canadian prime minister to China in nearly a decade.
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The world has changed much since that last visit. And I believe the progress that we have made in the
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partnership sets us up well for the new world order. Gone is any pretense of being alert to China,
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either on human rights or security or industrial espionage. We have completely shifted our orientation.
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We are now orbiting China, not America. It's like when Canada abandoned our historical position on Israel
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and sided with Hamas repeatedly, so much so that it received regular thank yous.
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That was just a change. There was no election over that change. There wasn't even a debate,
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let alone a vote in the House of Commons. Justin Trudeau and Mark Carney just decided to
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change our position 180 degrees. And that's what just happened when it comes to trade.
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All of which happens to contradict Donald Trump's plans, but maybe actually they accelerate Donald Trump's
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plans. Here's Trump today when he was asked about Canada doing a deal with China. Again, the deal
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is not to get Canadian access to the Chinese market. What are you crazy? It's to give China access to the
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Canadian market. Here's Trump on that. Prime Minister Carney is in China. How do you see the deals,
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Canada and China? I've just signed trade deals between the two partners. Well, that's okay. That's what
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he should be doing. I mean, it's a good thing for him to sign a trade deal. If you can get a deal with
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China, you should do that. So Trump says he's positive about it. Although I don't think
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Trump knows the details. Trump's focused on other things. I don't think he saw the news
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particulars. But if he learns that Canada has given Chinese auto industry access, opened the tent like
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the proverbial camel's nose in the tent, I think that makes things a lot easier for Trump in explaining
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his decision to relocate the big three automakers to the United States. If he's going to say, well,
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if you're allowing these Chinese cars, which are basically spy mobiles, what I mean by that is all the
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GPS, all the sensors, it's all goes through Chinese routers. It's like, I don't know if you ever heard of
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that drone company called DJI. There's a lot of fun drones that kids have. There's industrial drones that
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farmers have, the journalists have. Any drone that says DJI on it, that's the leading drone company
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for sale in Canada and the United States. They're amazing drones. I've got a DJI drone. We use them
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here at Rebel News. All the footage goes through China. That's where it's stored. So think about
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that. Every single drone, and there's got to be millions of drones in Canada. Everything they film
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is in Chinese databases. They're big data. They know every single square foot of this country,
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everything you've ever shown on your drone, China knows about. What's that got to do with cars? Well,
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it's the same thing. These days, Tesla drivers know that it's really a computer with four wheels.
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The self-driving especially, it happens only because of all the cameras. All that information goes through the
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servers in Tesla. Well, you bring in 49,000 Chinese cars, it's all going through China.
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Do you think the United States would allow those Chinese made spy cars, malware cars,
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spyware cars into the US? If you're driving a Chinese vehicle, do you think they're going to let
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you into the States? I doubt it. But I think more than that, Trump's going to say, okay, you've made
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your bed. You've made your choice. You want Chinese cars? Good. We'll just take the Ford and GM and
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anything else down here. I think that Trump, in a way, is happy to have Canada look around for other
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opportunities while he reshores the auto industry. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong on that. But there will
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come a point in time when Canada, I don't know, realizes that America's probably a better guy to
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have as an ally, even if Trump is a little bit prickly. Trump will be gone in three years, by the
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way. Let me ask you, if you saw Mark Carney meeting with the Chinese Politburo with his China-compromised
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MPs and saying so deliberately that he wants to join the China-led New World Order, if you were an
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American or a Brit or a New Zealander or an Australian, would you say, we really trust Canada
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with our most sensitive secrets? You know what I'm talking about? It's called the Five Eyes. There's
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NATO and there's NORAD and there's all these different defense agreements, but there's a very
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special agreement called the Five Eyes. Canada, the United States, UK, Australia, and New Zealand.
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It's like they're the super friends and they share the most sensitive information with each other,
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not with France, not with Italy, not with Israel, just the Five Eyes. How long would you continue to
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include Canada in the Five Eyes if it cozies up to China, if it allows Chinese heavy industry into our
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country? You know, a Trump official mused about that very question last year. Here's a Financial Post
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article about a Financial Times story that the U.S. was considering dropping Canada from the Five Eyes.
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Now, that didn't come true, but the idea is out there. I think that Carney is a globalist. I think
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that Carney loves China. China has made him rich. He got a quarter-billion-dollar loan from China for
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Brookfield. He still has Brookfield shares. I think that Carney, as he just demonstrated in Beijing,
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like he has demonstrated in Washington, D.C., I think he's just a terrible negotiator,
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like Justin Trudeau was. And before you say Ezra, he was the boss of Brookfield Asset Management. How
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could you say he's a terrible negotiator? He wasn't the CEO. He wasn't the executive. He wasn't the
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guy who would go in every day, roll up his sleeves and solve problems. He was the chairman. So once a
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quarter, he would chair a board meeting and he would say, well, what do you have to report? And how's
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this? And is there a resolution we have to pass? He wasn't a hands-on, get dirty kind of guy. In fact,
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his main job was flying around the world, just sort of going to conferences and flying the flag.
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I don't think he actually did any deals. And I think it shows. I think he just got a terrible deal
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in China. And he has no deal with the United States despite claiming he would get it. It's so clear now
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that he wasn't an executive. He was just the mascot of Brookfield. No idea how to handle any tough
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case as Trump or Xi Jinping or Hamas. In fact, he's off right now to the World Economic Forum.
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I don't think we'll see him there now. He'll only be in limousines. I don't think he'll
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be walking the streets like he did before. He'll be at the World Economic Forum and then he's off to
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Qatar. You know, Qatar is an OPEC bully. It's a natural competitor to Canada. If OPEC had their way,
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if Qatar had their way, Canada wouldn't have any oil sales at all. Canada wouldn't have any pipelines.
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We simply wouldn't be a competitor. But Mark Carney will probably still sell some of our sovereignty,
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some of our country to Qatar for, I don't know, some promise of investment in Canada that
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will likely not materialize and would just likely undermine our security. I think Mark Carney
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is all hat and no cattle. I think he's an empty suit. I look at his past almost year in office and
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I can't point to a single achievement. And yeah, getting a tariff taken off canola that was put on
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on your watch. That's, that's not a win. Welcome to the New World Order.
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Well, one of the unexpected heroes in Canada who rose to the occasion, not through the trucker convoy,
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but through a personal battle is our guest today. Her name is Amy Hamm and she was a nurse. She still
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is a nurse, but because she dared to stand up for the idea that there is such a thing as a woman
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and it excludes being a man. And then she dared to put up a billboard in Vancouver saying, I heart
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JK Rowling for that alone. She was prosecuted. And I would say persecuted by the college of nurses and
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midwives in British Columbia, drumming her out of her jobs, finding her basically going full lawfare
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against her. But I don't think they counted on her being so resilient. I think she was an ordinary
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person thrust into extraordinary circumstances and she rose to the occasion. And I mention all
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that because it's interesting and because it shows that she was willing to suffer for the truth,
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which I think is a sign of character. But I think it also feeds into her latest article
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she writes weekly in the National Post. And her latest a couple of days ago is called
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Canadian trust in institutions is at a low point. And that's a good thing. Joining us now
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is Amy Hamm. Amy, great to see you. You would know the BC College of Nurses and Midwives is one
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such institution that I don't think anyone would have even thought to question. That's just,
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they're there like the wallpaper or the furniture. No one even thinks about it, but actually they've been
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utterly infected with the woke mind virus. And so many institutions that we just used to trust
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reflexively are the same way, aren't they? They are, you know, we see these high profile cases.
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Mine became a high profile story as did Jordan Peterson's with the College of Psychologists in
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Ontario. But the sort of persecution that's happening is it's, it's happening to hundreds
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of Canadians across the country. It happens every day, cases that we don't hear about.
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There's another woman in Ontario right now named Amy McKay, who, similar to myself,
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has made publicly comments about gender, uh, gender ideology and the existence of two sexes.
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And her college is attempting to pressure her out of her teaching license. They basically
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want her to surrender her license for the comments that she made. Um, so the, you know,
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we have just such rot in all of our institutions in Canada. What I wrote about is the fact that we've
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sort of just handed over power to these woke progressive zealots and there aren't enough
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people who are really willing to stand up and, and say that we've had enough. But now that we're
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seeing, you know, these surveys of the Canadian population, it's clear that the vast majority of
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Canadians do not trust these institutions. Um, so I think the next step is we really have to take action
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and prove that, you know, every year Edelman, which is a large public relations firm publishes
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their trust index. And I find it very interesting because it's one of the, the few sort of, uh,
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fancy elite institutions that's willing to acknowledge that there's even a problem.
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Let me just read the sub headline of your article. It's we've allowed activist judges, educators,
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politicians, public health officials, and bureaucrats to operate without accountability for too long.
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Like you've just basically listed all of society other than I suppose private sector. And you know
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what? I remember when I was younger and all these students were going into gender studies and vegetarian
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studies and all these different studies. And I sort of thought, ha ha ha, they're not even going to get,
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there's no such thing as a job in those things. Like I, I sort of, in my mind, I mocked them, but was I ever
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wrong. That's absolutely the pipe, but that's the pipeline to $200,000 a year equity jobs. I'm the
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idiot trying to work in the free market as an employee, or even as an entrepreneur. I was wrong.
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All of those things you just listed, uh, or that are listed in your article, that's where the woke
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schools dump their outflow into. Now I noticed, I mean, I noticed he didn't say mom and pop shops,
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corner groceries, you know, uh, ordinary people that we have specifically riveted our left-wing
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schools to all these public institutions. So it was inevitable, wasn't it?
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It was. And you know, what you're talking about is exactly what I saw working in healthcare. I was
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with Vancouver Coastal Health as a registered nurse for 13 years. They fired me just about a year ago
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after I was found guilty of, uh, professional misconduct for stating that there are two sexes
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male and female during a nursing shortage, by the way. But over the more than a decade that I was
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with this institution, the type of people you're talking about, these people that, you know,
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they have arts degrees, they've studied gender, uh, more and more of these people are hired into these
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pointless roles and they're making better money than the nurses are making on the front lines
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in healthcare system where patients are actually dying in emergency rooms and we don't have enough
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care providers and yet we're just giving away millions and millions of dollars to these ideologues.
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Yeah. You know, let me read a little bit from your article and you referred to the Edelman study.
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Only 28% of Canadians gave Parliament a rating of four or five. That's a trustworthy score.
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Media got 36%, schools 45%, courts 48%, and police were the highest at 63%.
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I think police have shat the bed a little bit in recent years. I mean, their conduct during COVID
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when many police forces allowed themselves to become tools of, um, public health, social engineering.
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I mean, the New York police department was one notable exception. They really said,
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we're not going to get into this, but I remember seeing police in many countries. Australia, they were
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brutal California. They would arrest lone people sitting on the beach. I think police did themselves
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an atrocious disservice, but come back to the media. 36% of people trust the media. I want to know who
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those 36% are. Cause I, I want to go back to the before times when I would, when I, I mean, I don't
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think I ever trusted the media at a very young age. I realized that any story I knew about firsthand,
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I would find many errors in a story. So I would have to assume that the stories I didn't know
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about the firsthand facts, why would they be any more accurate? And then it was no longer a case
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of accuracy. It was deliberate spin, which is a different thing. It's not that there is a mistake.
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It's a deliberate propaganda. I don't know. Let me ask you about the, your headline, which is,
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it's a good thing. I suppose it's a good thing that we're waking up to this mismanagement of these
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industries, but that means we don't know what to believe in. And then there's so many false
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profits and, and scam artists out there. I mean, I think of Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes,
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their strength is that, well, we're not the establishment. You can't trust them. So trust me.
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It's the second part that's dangerous. I don't trust the New York Times, the Washington Post,
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the BBC. I don't trust any of those like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes. I'm a distruster,
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but I'm not going to go with charlatans like them. No, I think if you could stratify this 36,
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what was it? 36.8% or something of people who trust the media. If, if we were looking
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at independent media in Canada versus the mainstream media or government funded media,
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I think you would see vastly different numbers there. Because I do think there are a lot of
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independent outlets that are gaining a lot of public trust and they demonstrate accountability
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and they demonstrate that they're looking for the truth in their reporting, you know, as your outlet
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included. But you're right that these charlatans can sort of step in without having sort of any
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cohesive message. They're just spouting nonsense as we're seeing with Candace Owens in particular right
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now. Yeah. I mean, I, and I think a lot of this has to do with again, COVID where you had doctors
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and pharmacists amongst the most trustworthy people in the world who just started read, you know, being
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Pfizer salesman or something. I mean, I remember my own doctor who I really like started giving me the
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whole, the Pfizer line. And I, and I just didn't want to argue with him about it. I mean, he wasn't
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going to change my mind. Same the other way. I just was there for another reason. And he started
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giving me these talking points like, well, did you know that Facebook made $4 billion
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through, um, false posts? Like what you, are you persuaded? Do you, like, I just,
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that's, that wasn't a doctor's argument. That was a lame political argument. And imagine how my trust in
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medical experts and Teresa to all these white lab coats with a clipboard. So therefore you must trust me.
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Oh, but you can't use ivermectin. And like, it's just, I can't believe how badly they detonated the
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belief in one's doctor. Everyone used to love doctors, look up to them. I think they massacred
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their reputation. I just, and I hate to say it. I mean, I, my father was a doctor. I mean, I, I do look
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up to the work that doctors did to the smart, but holy smokes, did they ever sell out?
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I still have a lot of respect for the medical profession as well. Um, and you, you know,
00:26:25.900
you don't become a doctor if you're an idiot, they're intelligent people. But I think what
00:26:31.660
happened during COVID so much of the public lost trust, especially in public health officials
00:26:37.820
that sold us lies. And if Canada were to enter into an actual emergency, like say we had an Ebola
00:26:45.340
outbreak as unlikely as that is, we would be absolutely hooped as a country because after
00:26:51.420
what happened in COVID, nobody is going to be following public health orders. Um, and you know,
00:26:57.580
today it's, it's kind of funny that today is the day that we saw the appeal of, um, the emergencies act
00:27:05.420
was, uh, put down at the Supreme court of Canada. And you know, that, that goes to show again,
00:27:12.060
we still, despite the truth that has been reported and that has been outed since then,
00:27:17.180
we still have a government in Canada that was willing to waste years and who knows how much money
00:27:23.100
and resources and time, just trying, just trying to undo a court ruling that of course they were,
00:27:29.420
they were going to lose that appeal of the emergencies act.
00:27:32.540
Yeah. Well, you know, I still see people wearing masks COVID style. I know people who won't
00:27:39.100
do certain social things that they did before. So I think some people were absolutely persuaded.
00:27:43.980
And by the way, um, almost every provincial premier and by the way, the prime minister in Canada
00:27:49.820
who went to the people in an election during the lockdowns, they won. Jason Kenney was booted out
00:27:56.620
by his own party, but Doug Ford won and all the way down. Uh, so the lessons they,
00:28:02.380
they took from it all where we can do this, we can get away with this. Here's one thing I was
00:28:06.380
thinking about, you know, well, what happens when you detonate a source of authority that both
00:28:13.500
sides of the spectrum can agree on? Like, I think both the left wing and the right wing trusted
00:28:19.100
doctors and pharmacists before, and they would say that's not even a left wing or right wing thing
00:28:24.380
they would have said before 2020. Um, but now, I mean, let me give you an example in social media,
00:28:31.820
you've got the president of the United States. He has his own truth social, and that's only for,
00:28:38.140
you know, right wing Trump supporters. Who else would be there? But boy, would they be enthusiasts.
00:28:43.580
And on the other side, you've got this left wing swamp called blue sky. And same thing,
00:28:50.300
what Republican would ever go there? So you have two different echo chambers and, and I'm not,
00:28:56.700
listen, I think you've got to follow the facts wherever they lead and find truth wherever it is.
00:29:00.620
But what I'm worried about is because we've detonated or self detonated these authorities that used to bind
00:29:06.700
us together. I mean, I don't know what the common ground is anymore. I mean, and I think you need
00:29:13.580
some of that because you can't have all of life becoming a war between partisans. Like it's
00:29:19.740
exhausting. I think it's demoralizing. There has to be a time again, where not everything is political,
00:29:26.940
where you go out and walk the dog and it's not a political act. By the way, it became a political
00:29:31.900
act during the lockdowns in Quebec, for example, it was illegal to walk your dog during the curfew for
00:29:37.100
health reasons. I don't know. I just, um, I, I lament this fact. You say it's a good thing
00:29:42.780
and I understand what you mean because you have to expose the woke radicals, but it's also a terribly
00:29:48.860
sad thing too. Yeah. You know, it's a good thing as long as Canadians take action and start to push
00:29:56.140
back against these institutional abuses that are happening and start because there won't be any
00:30:03.100
change. And like I said, you can't just respond to statistics, Canada surveys, or vote the way you
00:30:09.020
want. If you're not actually stepping up, telling people in your workplace that you disagree with
00:30:15.900
land acknowledgements or whatever DEI policies are being enforced upon you. If you don't speak to your
00:30:22.700
MLA or your MP, you know, go, go to your MLA and say, my province needs the same legislation that
00:30:30.540
Daniel Smith is trying to enact in Alberta called Peterson's law, which restricts the power of
00:30:35.660
professional regulators to, um, to infringe upon the free speech of its members. Uh, there are like,
00:30:42.940
there are hundreds and hundreds of thousands of professionals in this country. And I know from
00:30:48.700
being in a regulated profession that the vast majority of my colleagues agreed with my stance,
00:30:54.460
but we're too afraid to come out and support me or say anything. But what you can do is you can go
00:31:00.300
to your MLA and say, this is, this is what I want to happen. Like, that's what I mean is you really,
00:31:06.540
we have to start taking action in a serious way to change our culture. Yeah. I think most people are,
00:31:14.780
don't know how to do it, don't have the time to do it, are too busy just earning a living or going
00:31:18.780
to school or whatever they're doing. Um, I think politics should be so inconsequential that it is
00:31:25.740
a hobby for those who like it, but unfortunately every bloody thing is so political, especially
00:31:30.620
the schools these days. Let me ask you in closing, uh, for an update on your own case, are you still
00:31:36.300
in litigation? Are you still fighting in some way the BC College of Nurses and Midwives?
00:31:41.420
Yes, absolutely. So the latest is while, so my guilty verdict came down, uh, about 10 months ago
00:31:52.620
and about six months later I was sentenced, so to speak. And I owe about $94,000 in legal costs
00:32:02.540
and I am to have a one month license suspension. Uh, that's been put on hold because we've appealed to
00:32:09.500
the Supreme Court of BC, the entire ruling. So that's, it's still, there's, there are delays in
00:32:16.140
it. This is part of the problem with Canada. There are insane delays in our court system. It's so
00:32:19.740
backlogged all of the time. So nothing has moved forward yet. Um, I'm not, you know, as I talked
00:32:26.460
about, we have activists, judges, activist court systems. I'm not hopeful about winning my appeal at the
00:32:32.380
BC Supreme Court. I'm just hopeful that going through this process will sort of expose gender ideology for
00:32:38.460
what it is. So at, you know, at the end of that, I'm going to still, I'm sure have to pay this $94,000
00:32:44.780
and take a one month suspension. Um, and so aside from that, I also have two BC human rights tribunal
00:32:52.380
complaints on the basis of a discrimination for political belief, which is a protected category
00:32:57.900
in the BC human rights code. Um, and then in addition to that, because I was fired from Vancouver
00:33:03.580
Coastal Health after my 13 years of employment, once I was found guilty by my college, I have this
00:33:11.580
sort of union battle going on. But as you are well aware, Ezra, the unions in Canada are extremely woke
00:33:18.140
and captured by woke ideology. So, so far, you know, it's, it's been a year and nothing has happened.
00:33:25.340
I still don't even know if they're going to represent me at arbitration. And, uh, after that,
00:33:30.460
I would be left in a position where I'd have to sue my union for a failure to represent.
00:33:35.660
So essentially I have four lawsuits going on all as a result of just going on record and, and saying
00:33:42.940
men aren't women and women deserve their, their privacy, their dignity, their safety in their own
00:33:48.380
spaces. It's just, it's pretty unbelievable. Are any of those lawsuits related to Twitter or X?
00:33:56.060
So the, a lot, well, you know, Vancouver Coastal Health sort of would cite a lot of my ex posts when
00:34:04.780
they would haul me in and out of human resources. But in my ruling from the college, they only found
00:34:12.540
me guilty on the basis of four items out of more than 300 pages of my statements, articles, podcasts.
00:34:19.900
They were not able to use any of my tweets to find me guilty because I never went on Twitter and said,
00:34:25.420
you know, I'm, I'm a nurse and this is why I think that men aren't women. Uh, it was just these few
00:34:32.940
items where there was sort of a, an inconsequential biographical detail. Like I wrote an article and
00:34:38.780
it just said, Amy's a nurse and she has a nursing degree, journalism three works as a nurse. So that was
00:34:44.220
how I was found guilty. You know, the reason I ask is because I've learned over the years that
00:34:49.900
Elon Musk, since he bought Twitter or access is now called has something called the anti-retaliation
00:34:55.580
project. And if anyone is fired or prosecuted because what they do on the platform, he will
00:35:01.260
consider helping them. And I know this because, uh, miraculously we managed to get him to support
00:35:07.500
Tommy Robinson, our free speech crusading activist journalist in the UK. So if there is a connection
00:35:14.620
to acts or to Twitter, uh, and I'm not sure if there is, but I know he's very alert to the trans
00:35:20.860
issue. That's very close to his heart. It's something maybe Elon would be interested in
00:35:25.100
helping me. If my union stops representing me, they've done very little to represent me thus far,
00:35:30.780
but if they drop me, maybe Elon will help me because that was definitely it. My tweets came into
00:35:35.980
play with being fired from the public health authority in BC. So that's something that I would
00:35:41.900
look into for sure. Well, that's you and me talk offline because, uh,
00:35:46.140
you know, I obviously I'm not in a position to make any decision, but I was able to assist with
00:35:51.900
Tommy's case. And, and I know you rely on the goodwill of the public through the justice center
00:35:57.180
for your law of defense. Uh, so I'm glad you're in their good hands. Uh, and who's your lawyer?
00:36:02.380
Lisa Bildy. Is that right? I have Lisa Bildy. She was with the justice center when she started and,
00:36:07.660
uh, uh, she has her own practice right now, but the justice center for constitutional freedoms has
00:36:12.700
very generously agreed to pay her legal bills because I wanted her to continue representing me.
00:36:18.220
Right. Well, that's great. And those are good people all around there. We're familiar with them.
00:36:21.820
Well, that, listen, it's nice to hear from you and I'm sorry, these things are still hanging over you.
00:36:25.660
Uh, but, uh, you know, you are suffering, but it's for the good of the public and, and there's
00:36:32.780
something very giving about that. And I hope you get some moral satisfaction in helping not just
00:36:41.260
yourself, but others. I think it's obviously a case in the public interest. And if we can help along
00:36:46.300
the way, it sounds like you are in good hands, but, um, you know, maybe I'll look into the
00:36:50.380
possibility of bringing this to the attention of the, of the CEO and owner of X, because if you were
00:36:56.140
indeed fired because of what you wrote on X, that may be something he could help with. And again,
00:37:00.700
I don't speak for him, but it would be amazing if that could be arranged. Well, listen, great to see
00:37:04.780
you. Thanks for the catch up and congratulations on the weekly column. Thank you, Ezra. It was great to
00:37:10.940
talk to you. You too. There she is. Amy Hamm, weekly columnist with the national post and
00:37:15.420
a crusader for women's rights. If I may say, stay with us more ahead.
00:37:31.340
Hey, instead of letters, I want to show you a very exciting moment today. It was very nerve wracking
00:37:37.180
at first, but very satisfying. I'm talking about the federal court of appeal, issuing their judgment
00:37:42.940
in the government's appeal of the emergencies act case. So sorry, I'm using so much jargon.
00:37:50.140
Uh, remember when Justin Trudeau under the leadership of justice minister, David Lamedi
00:37:54.620
put Canada under martial law, invoking the emergencies act for the first time in Canadian
00:37:59.340
history. It had never even been used during nine 11. That was the pretext for seizing bank accounts,
00:38:05.020
freezing banker accounts, sending the riot police out there. It was a disgraceful moment.
00:38:09.420
Um, they were taken to court and the federal court was asked, what's their decision to destroy these
00:38:17.100
civil liberties? Was it done lawfully? The emergencies act has a process. Was it followed
00:38:23.900
in a stunning ruling? The federal court said, no, it was completely illegal and unconstitutional.
00:38:29.980
That was a disgraceful moment that led David Lamedi, the justice minister to quit and skulk out of the
00:38:35.420
building. He's back by the way, but the government of course, wouldn't take that lying down. So they
00:38:40.300
appealed to the federal court of appeal. So three judges reviewed the lower judges case. And today,
00:38:46.220
all three said, no, that lower judgment stands. It was completely illegal and unconstitutional,
00:38:53.740
a very exciting outcome. Anyways, we had our dear friend Tamera Leach, who is now working with
00:38:59.420
Rebel as a journalist on our live stream today. We had other guests on the live stream, Chris Barber,
00:39:04.780
Keith Wilson, the lawyer. Without further ado, let me end today's show, not with letters as we usually do,
00:39:10.380
but with this from our live stream, just as the news was released. Good night, everybody. Have a great
00:39:16.220
weekend. And the next time you see me, I'll be at the World Economic Forum in Davos chasing oligarchs down
00:39:21.980
the street. Good night. So yeah, you're absolutely right. Thank goodness for independent media like
00:39:29.820
Rebel News, True North at the time, and the citizen journalists that came out and actually talked to
00:39:35.820
Canadians and got the footage that was on the ground. And I heard from a lot of people that
00:39:41.980
literally went to Ottawa because of what they were seeing on TV and how it was completely opposite from
00:39:47.660
what they were seeing coming through on these live streams. And a lot of them drove to Ottawa
00:39:51.980
to see for themselves. And when they got there, they realized that the mainstream media was lying.
00:39:58.300
We've got John Carpe on the call with us right now. I want to bring John in because
00:40:07.260
I think we have, do we have the decision in yet? John Carpe is with the Justice Center for
00:40:13.820
Constitutional Freedoms. He's just jumped onto the call. Sorry to cut you short there, Chris.
00:40:18.060
Bring us up. He looks like he's got a lot to say. I can't wait. I see him.
00:40:23.500
Can you hear me now? Yes, we can hear you, John. Thank you so much for joining us.
00:40:27.420
Conclusion, paragraph 506. In light of the above reasons, we are of the opinion that the appeals by
00:40:32.620
the Attorney General of Canada in files, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, should be dismissed,
00:40:37.740
as should be the cross appeals by the Canadian Civil Liberties Association and the Canadian
00:40:43.900
Constitution Foundation. Since neither the Attorney General nor the public interest litigants have
00:40:49.260
requested costs, none will be awarded. So the lower court ruling is affirmed. Obviously, I haven't read
00:40:57.180
the preceding 505 paragraphs, but paragraph 506 says that the appeal of the Attorney General in files,
00:41:05.580
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, should be dismissed.
00:41:09.980
Awesome. Oh, gosh. Tamara and Chris, how are you guys feeling right now?
00:41:15.660
Relief. I think Tamara's gonna, you're crying. I'm not gonna cry. I'm not crying today.
00:41:22.460
And all three, it's unanimous. All three judges, all three judges signed on. Good.
00:41:27.420
Oh, there's some justice in Canada. Thank you. Thank you.
00:41:31.260
John, I appreciate all you guys have done to put into this, please. If it wasn't for the JCCF and,
00:41:36.220
like you said, Democracy Fund, we wouldn't be in this position right now. So thanks and kudos to all
00:41:42.220
those donors. Well, kudos to all the donors, right?
00:41:47.660
Yeah. John, tell us about the Justice Center's role in all of this, because you've done such important work
00:41:57.980
holding the government to account. You're really the driving organization behind this.
00:42:04.220
You are crowdfunded. So I want to make sure that you get the credit that you're due in upholding
00:42:09.580
the civil rights of Canadians in this country. And if you can, please explain to this, to the viewers,
00:42:17.020
what this means going forward and what it would mean if the government had won this appeal.
00:42:21.500
Well, this ruling is super, super important because it said that the federal government failed to
00:42:31.260
meet the necessary requirements of the Emergencies Act. There are several requirements, including
00:42:39.580
that local law enforcement cannot handle the situation, that it's a serious threat to national
00:42:46.220
security. Neither of which was true because when the Emergencies Act was invoked, we were down to
00:42:54.460
a local protest only in Ottawa. It was peaceful. Local law enforcement hadn't. As was pointed out
00:43:02.780
by Tamara yesterday on a live stream, neither she nor Chris Barber was arrested under the emergencies
00:43:11.180
measures. They were arrested pursuant to ordinary law enforcement. So this was a really important
00:43:17.580
accountability check that a court said to the Prime Minister Trudeau and the federal government,
00:43:25.660
you guys were wrong. You abused. You didn't comply with the legislation which says that you can only use
00:43:33.660
emergency powers when there's a bona fide national emergency and other law enforcement mechanisms are
00:43:41.660
not going to work. So that's just really, really important for the sake of accountability, for the
00:43:46.780
sake of preventing or at least slowing down our slide towards becoming a police state, because that's what
00:43:53.180
we're on track with right now with all the bad bills in Parliament, but I won't get into that right now.
00:43:58.460
So if the court today had allowed the federal government's appeal, it would just be giving a
00:44:05.900
green light to tyranny and saying, yeah, you know, the, the government can just, if the government
00:44:11.100
feels like there's an emergency, you know, doesn't, doesn't matter what the facts are, you can, you can
00:44:16.380
just go ahead and do it. And, and that's actually the, this government, they were, they were even talking
00:44:21.660
about that, that the requirements were too high. You know, the government should be able to
00:44:25.820
find an economic emergency and, and invoke emergency powers, you know, because the economy is doing
00:44:34.060
poorly. So I'm thrilled. Good precedent. Yes, I am thrilled too. So, John, what do you, I mean,
00:44:41.340
nobody has a crystal ball. I mean, what, now the federal government basically has been proven wrong.
00:44:48.140
I mean, what do you, what do you expect or would you anticipate the next steps from the
00:44:51.820
liberal government are going to be in this proceedings? Do you think they're going to appeal this or
00:44:55.500
they would need to get the Supreme court's permission first, which is true for everybody.
00:45:02.620
It's not just the federal government, but if you want the Supreme court of Canada to hear
00:45:06.700
an appeal first, you say, would you please, you don't just file it and get your appeal heard as
00:45:12.460
you would ordinarily. Um, so it's a two-step process. So first the federal government would
00:45:17.660
have to go to the Supreme court and, and, um, ask if they would please hear the appeal in order to win
00:45:23.980
on that application. They have to show that there is an unresolved doctrine of law, um, that,
00:45:33.100
that the Supreme court should address because there's a lack of clarity in the law. And that
00:45:40.700
happens from time to time, right? You get different provinces come out, courts in different provinces
00:45:45.180
have contradictory rulings. So the Supreme court resolves it. So that, uh, I wouldn't,
00:45:52.300
I would say the federal government's chance of getting this heard, uh, by the Supreme court appear
00:45:58.540
to be pretty small because I don't know what they're going to say is, is some, um, doctrine of law that,
00:46:06.140
that Canadians are clamoring to get clarity on. Uh, this is kind of a one-time decision. Did the federal
00:46:12.220
government comply with the emergencies act? Yes or no. This is a very fact specific decision.
00:46:18.300
Uh, you know, uh, so that's another reason, I mean, the Supreme court would probably look at this
00:46:23.020
and go, well, the judge made a decision based on the facts as to whether or not the federal
00:46:28.300
government met the criteria it was supposed to have met. And anyway, so the federal government could
00:46:35.260
appeal it, uh, the, the other side, uh, our side, we could, uh, appeal it. But, um, I would say the
00:46:44.540
chance of this getting, going into the Supreme court is small in my view. So what does this mean?
00:46:51.260
And so I understand, well, and we're one of them. There's a lot of, um, lawsuits before the court.
00:46:56.140
So that will be before the courts about the bank account for seizures. And, and Chris and I are one of
00:47:01.740
them. Uh, Keith Wilson is representing us on that matter. So what is that going to mean for,
00:47:06.860
for people like us and other people that have filed lawsuits against the government for the
00:47:11.660
unconstitutional and illegal, not to mention banana Republic style freezing of the bank accounts of 208
00:47:18.380
innocent Canadians? It's good news for you and other people, because the lower court said that the
00:47:27.820
freezing of the bank accounts was unjustified and that can only help other Canadians in a civil claim.
00:47:35.820
I'm not sure if I would go so far as to say that, that, you know, guarantees you success in other
00:47:40.780
court actions, but it's very, very helpful that we have a lower court ruling now affirmed by the
00:47:45.580
federal court of appeal that the, uh, freezing of the bank accounts was not justified. It was an
00:47:53.580
unjustified violation of the charter, right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. So it's
00:48:00.380
just very, very positive again, without, you know, necessarily guaranteeing fixture in other court
00:48:05.580
actions. It's really good to have this as a precedent that, that you can say, Hey, here's the federal
00:48:11.500
court of appeal of Canada, which is on par with the Ontario BC, Alberta courts of appeal. One of the
00:48:19.100
many second highest courts in the land has said that the freezing of the bank accounts was,
00:48:24.060
was an unjustified violation of your constitutional rights.