Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Carney just signed a trade deal with China： What did he actually get？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I want to take a second look at what Mark Carney achieved in China.

00:00:04.940 What did he get and what did he have to give to get it? It's terrible math. I think he's a terrible

00:00:09.900 negotiator. We'll also talk to Amy Ham, the BC nurse, and then we'll look at the ruling from

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00:00:50.240 Tonight, Mark Carney calls for a new world order with China as his boss. 0.57

00:00:55.180 It's January 16th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:01.520 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:13.900 Well, Mark Carney had his big meetings in China, but what exactly did he get? Well, he got something,

00:01:21.400 a reduced tariff on agricultural products, including those targeting Saskatchewan. Premier

00:01:27.740 Scott Moe was there, and he's got to be happy about that. That was a terrible loss to his

00:01:32.640 community. And for some reason, Mark Carney and Doug Ford and the rest of them never really

00:01:38.700 had a boycott China campaign. The same way they had a boycott America campaign for much

00:01:45.040 lower tariffs. Remember the tariffs on canola, which is a crop grown in the prairies. It's a 100%

00:01:51.380 tariff, effectively making it impossible to buy any. No reaction from the other premiers or from the

00:01:58.500 federal government who banned, in the case of Ontario, American liquor or who ran TV attack ads in the United

00:02:06.280 States against Trump. I guess you can't really run attack ads in China, can you? And that's about all.

00:02:15.500 That's about all Canada got from China. So not actually progress, but just undoing some regress,

00:02:23.240 as in China hurt Saskatchewan, and it agreed to stop hurting Saskatchewan. I'm not sure if that counts

00:02:29.740 as a great deal. That's sort of where the status quo was a year ago. So that's what Canada got. If I've

00:02:35.700 missed something, please let me know. And what did China get in return for stopping hurting Saskatchewan?

00:02:43.300 It's pretty much the only thing we got. Well, they now have the right to sell 49,000 Chinese-made

00:02:51.820 cars into the Canadian market at low prices. Here's Mark Carney describing this, and he's quite excited

00:02:58.140 about it. He really emphasizes how cheap these cars are. In trade talks, that's called dumping.

00:03:04.240 When you dump a product in the market at such a low price, you beat all the domestic competition.

00:03:09.440 Here's Mark Carney bragging about China dumping 49,000 vehicles in the market.

00:03:14.760 China's strengths, for example, in electric vehicles are formidable. They're undeniable.

00:03:20.600 These are the most affordable and energy efficient and innovative vehicles in the world.

00:03:26.080 And for Canada to build our own competitive EV sector, we need to learn from, partner with,

00:03:35.040 and access and build supply chains with China. To help deliver on the full potential of these

00:03:41.680 partnerships and to bring down costs for Canadians, we're going to start by allowing up to 49,000

00:03:49.040 Chinese electric vehicles into the Canadian market at the most favored nation tariff rate, which is 6.1%.

00:03:57.200 Oh, I guess he forgot to run this by his best friend, Doug Ford, because was Doug Ford ever upset?

00:04:04.320 Holy smokes. He didn't quite say he wanted the deal undone, because I don't think he is publicly willing

00:04:11.900 to throw Saskatchewan under the bus that way, but he basically said he wanted the deal undone.

00:04:16.900 Absolutely not. I didn't have any consultation. I didn't consult with any of the automakers.

00:04:22.700 This is going to be terrible for not only just all the people of Ontario, but especially the auto manufacturers,

00:04:29.800 the supply chain. We're letting China into a market that's going to have lower tariffs than our largest market,

00:04:38.700 the US. And I don't think that's going to go over too well with President Trump. But it's going to hurt

00:04:45.260 every single auto manufacturer, every single supply chain that has anything to do with the auto sector.

00:04:53.020 This was not thought out properly. It wasn't consulted. It was a knee-jerk reaction as far as I'm concerned.

00:04:59.660 And this is going to be a big, big problem.

00:05:02.700 In terms of other wins for China, I mean, 49,000 cars is certainly a toehold. But I think the big win

00:05:10.460 was Mark Carney abandoning any talk about China being a human rights threat or a security threat.

00:05:19.100 Remember when Mark Carney was running for office and said China was literally

00:05:22.860 the number one threat to Canada? Here's the clip.

00:05:25.740 Well, we're in a security section. I think we didn't have a chance to talk about anything internationally.

00:05:31.340 I think the biggest security threat to Canada is China. 0.99

00:05:34.060 Well, China has won his total silence. In fact, more than that, you saw in the meeting Michael Ma,

00:05:39.820 the defector from the Conservative Party to the Liberals, basically a stooge of the Communist Party of China,

00:05:45.820 gets his reward by going to China. Mark Carney is now closer to Xi Jinping in China than he is to Donald Trump.

00:05:53.820 So that's all new, that we've changed our ideology and our outlook, a totally new foreign policy,

00:06:02.620 according to Foreign Minister Anita Anand. But remember why they said they were going to China

00:06:08.300 in the first place? For investment, for jobs, to diversify our economy, right?

00:06:13.340 But how does selling Chinese cars in Canada benefit Canadian industry? How does that undo

00:06:24.860 our over-reliance on the United States? If the whole idea was to make Canada more resilient,

00:06:30.700 more independent, open up new markets for us, isn't it true that the only new market that was opened up

00:06:36.780 is Canada's automobile market to Chinese producers? Now, there have been some instances, I understand,

00:06:45.020 of China agreeing to build their car factories elsewhere, but no surprise, they use Chinese workers

00:06:51.500 to do it. There's no local benefit. They're not going to have an auto industry for a Chinese company 1.00

00:06:59.580 based in Ontario paying Ontario workers Ontario wages. That's not how it works.

00:07:06.620 That the way that China undercuts its competitors is precisely because they're built in China with 1.00

00:07:13.340 no environmental, no labor, none of the regulations that push up, no healthcare. I mean, where is,

00:07:20.780 I see the investment payoff for China, but where is it for Canada? They said they will buy our natural

00:07:27.980 resources, but only if we can get them to market. And I'm not sure if we can get them to market,

00:07:34.620 because the liberal government has stopped the pipelines for 10 years. They've stopped it first

00:07:39.740 under Justin Trudeau, and now under Mark Carney, there's the tanker ban. There's kowtowing to

00:07:46.540 lobby groups on the West Coast. It's still not clear how Mark Carney can actually increase

00:07:54.140 non-US exports, let alone dramatically. Remember, he said that was his goal.

00:07:58.860 But even if he could, even if he could double the amount of exports to non-American buyers,

00:08:07.980 the numbers are so tiny compared to US trade. I went through them yesterday. I mean,

00:08:13.820 you could quadruple, you could multiply by 10 the exports to China and won't even come close to what we

00:08:19.900 sell to the United States. I think what will linger here, other than some breaks for Saskatchewan,

00:08:28.860 I think what will stay on and how this trip will be remembered is this comment from Mark Carney,

00:08:35.180 spoken so deliberately, looking around after every word he was trying to make a big impact when he said,

00:08:42.380 Welcome to the China-led New World Order. You saw this clip. 0.99

00:08:48.700 Mine is the first visit of a Canadian prime minister to China in nearly a decade.

00:08:59.740 The world has changed much since that last visit. And I believe the progress that we have made in the

00:09:07.900 partnership sets us up well for the new world order. Gone is any pretense of being alert to China, 0.95

00:09:20.780 either on human rights or security or industrial espionage. We have completely shifted our orientation.

00:09:27.900 We are now orbiting China, not America. It's like when Canada abandoned our historical position on Israel 0.61

00:09:36.540 and sided with Hamas repeatedly, so much so that it received regular thank yous. 0.63

00:09:42.380 That was just a change. There was no election over that change. There wasn't even a debate,

00:09:47.340 let alone a vote in the House of Commons. Justin Trudeau and Mark Carney just decided to

00:09:52.780 change our position 180 degrees. And that's what just happened when it comes to trade.

00:09:58.300 All of which happens to contradict Donald Trump's plans, but maybe actually they accelerate Donald Trump's

00:10:05.660 plans. Here's Trump today when he was asked about Canada doing a deal with China. Again, the deal

00:10:12.300 is not to get Canadian access to the Chinese market. What are you crazy? It's to give China access to the 0.94

00:10:18.700 Canadian market. Here's Trump on that. Prime Minister Carney is in China. How do you see the deals,

00:10:24.380 Canada and China? I've just signed trade deals between the two partners. Well, that's okay. That's what

00:10:29.660 he should be doing. I mean, it's a good thing for him to sign a trade deal. If you can get a deal with

00:10:34.060 China, you should do that. So Trump says he's positive about it. Although I don't think

00:10:38.540 Trump knows the details. Trump's focused on other things. I don't think he saw the news

00:10:44.300 particulars. But if he learns that Canada has given Chinese auto industry access, opened the tent like 0.97

00:10:51.980 the proverbial camel's nose in the tent, I think that makes things a lot easier for Trump in explaining

00:10:59.340 his decision to relocate the big three automakers to the United States. If he's going to say, well,

00:11:05.980 if you're allowing these Chinese cars, which are basically spy mobiles, what I mean by that is all the 1.00

00:11:11.500 GPS, all the sensors, it's all goes through Chinese routers. It's like, I don't know if you ever heard of

00:11:18.300 that drone company called DJI. There's a lot of fun drones that kids have. There's industrial drones that

00:11:25.500 farmers have, the journalists have. Any drone that says DJI on it, that's the leading drone company

00:11:31.980 for sale in Canada and the United States. They're amazing drones. I've got a DJI drone. We use them

00:11:37.660 here at Rebel News. All the footage goes through China. That's where it's stored. So think about

00:11:45.180 that. Every single drone, and there's got to be millions of drones in Canada. Everything they film

00:11:52.220 is in Chinese databases. They're big data. They know every single square foot of this country,

00:11:58.540 everything you've ever shown on your drone, China knows about. What's that got to do with cars? Well,

00:12:04.060 it's the same thing. These days, Tesla drivers know that it's really a computer with four wheels.

00:12:11.180 The self-driving especially, it happens only because of all the cameras. All that information goes through the

00:12:17.900 servers in Tesla. Well, you bring in 49,000 Chinese cars, it's all going through China.

00:12:25.100 Do you think the United States would allow those Chinese made spy cars, malware cars, 1.00

00:12:31.340 spyware cars into the US? If you're driving a Chinese vehicle, do you think they're going to let 1.00

00:12:35.980 you into the States? I doubt it. But I think more than that, Trump's going to say, okay, you've made

00:12:43.180 your bed. You've made your choice. You want Chinese cars? Good. We'll just take the Ford and GM and 1.00

00:12:49.020 anything else down here. I think that Trump, in a way, is happy to have Canada look around for other

00:12:56.140 opportunities while he reshores the auto industry. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong on that. But there will

00:13:01.820 come a point in time when Canada, I don't know, realizes that America's probably a better guy to

00:13:08.140 have as an ally, even if Trump is a little bit prickly. Trump will be gone in three years, by the

00:13:12.700 way. Let me ask you, if you saw Mark Carney meeting with the Chinese Politburo with his China-compromised

00:13:22.460 MPs and saying so deliberately that he wants to join the China-led New World Order, if you were an

00:13:28.620 American or a Brit or a New Zealander or an Australian, would you say, we really trust Canada

00:13:35.180 with our most sensitive secrets? You know what I'm talking about? It's called the Five Eyes. There's

00:13:41.180 NATO and there's NORAD and there's all these different defense agreements, but there's a very

00:13:45.820 special agreement called the Five Eyes. Canada, the United States, UK, Australia, and New Zealand.

00:13:51.180 It's like they're the super friends and they share the most sensitive information with each other,

00:13:56.140 not with France, not with Italy, not with Israel, just the Five Eyes. How long would you continue to 0.83

00:14:02.140 include Canada in the Five Eyes if it cozies up to China, if it allows Chinese heavy industry into our 0.71

00:14:10.220 country? You know, a Trump official mused about that very question last year. Here's a Financial Post

00:14:17.020 article about a Financial Times story that the U.S. was considering dropping Canada from the Five Eyes.

00:14:23.900 Now, that didn't come true, but the idea is out there. I think that Carney is a globalist. I think

00:14:31.820 that Carney loves China. China has made him rich. He got a quarter-billion-dollar loan from China for

00:14:37.660 Brookfield. He still has Brookfield shares. I think that Carney, as he just demonstrated in Beijing,

00:14:44.140 like he has demonstrated in Washington, D.C., I think he's just a terrible negotiator,

00:14:50.060 like Justin Trudeau was. And before you say Ezra, he was the boss of Brookfield Asset Management. How

00:14:55.260 could you say he's a terrible negotiator? He wasn't the CEO. He wasn't the executive. He wasn't the

00:15:02.540 guy who would go in every day, roll up his sleeves and solve problems. He was the chairman. So once a

00:15:08.140 quarter, he would chair a board meeting and he would say, well, what do you have to report? And how's

00:15:12.300 this? And is there a resolution we have to pass? He wasn't a hands-on, get dirty kind of guy. In fact,

00:15:17.980 his main job was flying around the world, just sort of going to conferences and flying the flag.

00:15:22.940 I don't think he actually did any deals. And I think it shows. I think he just got a terrible deal

00:15:29.820 in China. And he has no deal with the United States despite claiming he would get it. It's so clear now

00:15:36.140 that he wasn't an executive. He was just the mascot of Brookfield. No idea how to handle any tough

00:15:44.780 case as Trump or Xi Jinping or Hamas. In fact, he's off right now to the World Economic Forum.

00:15:51.180 I don't think we'll see him there now. He'll only be in limousines. I don't think he'll

00:15:55.340 be walking the streets like he did before. He'll be at the World Economic Forum and then he's off to

00:15:59.260 Qatar. You know, Qatar is an OPEC bully. It's a natural competitor to Canada. If OPEC had their way, 0.76

00:16:06.460 if Qatar had their way, Canada wouldn't have any oil sales at all. Canada wouldn't have any pipelines.

00:16:13.020 We simply wouldn't be a competitor. But Mark Carney will probably still sell some of our sovereignty,

00:16:19.340 some of our country to Qatar for, I don't know, some promise of investment in Canada that

00:16:25.420 will likely not materialize and would just likely undermine our security. I think Mark Carney

00:16:31.820 is all hat and no cattle. I think he's an empty suit. I look at his past almost year in office and

00:16:39.420 I can't point to a single achievement. And yeah, getting a tariff taken off canola that was put on

00:16:45.980 on your watch. That's, that's not a win. Welcome to the New World Order.

00:16:59.820 Well, one of the unexpected heroes in Canada who rose to the occasion, not through the trucker convoy,

00:17:06.060 but through a personal battle is our guest today. Her name is Amy Hamm and she was a nurse. She still

00:17:11.900 is a nurse, but because she dared to stand up for the idea that there is such a thing as a woman 1.00

00:17:17.820 and it excludes being a man. And then she dared to put up a billboard in Vancouver saying, I heart

00:17:23.660 JK Rowling for that alone. She was prosecuted. And I would say persecuted by the college of nurses and

00:17:30.700 midwives in British Columbia, drumming her out of her jobs, finding her basically going full lawfare 0.94

00:17:37.340 against her. But I don't think they counted on her being so resilient. I think she was an ordinary

00:17:41.980 person thrust into extraordinary circumstances and she rose to the occasion. And I mention all

00:17:47.980 that because it's interesting and because it shows that she was willing to suffer for the truth,

00:17:52.540 which I think is a sign of character. But I think it also feeds into her latest article

00:17:57.100 she writes weekly in the National Post. And her latest a couple of days ago is called

00:18:02.540 Canadian trust in institutions is at a low point. And that's a good thing. Joining us now 0.98

00:18:08.220 is Amy Hamm. Amy, great to see you. You would know the BC College of Nurses and Midwives is one

00:18:14.220 such institution that I don't think anyone would have even thought to question. That's just,

00:18:18.700 they're there like the wallpaper or the furniture. No one even thinks about it, but actually they've been

00:18:24.140 utterly infected with the woke mind virus. And so many institutions that we just used to trust

00:18:30.140 reflexively are the same way, aren't they? They are, you know, we see these high profile cases.

00:18:36.460 Mine became a high profile story as did Jordan Peterson's with the College of Psychologists in

00:18:41.980 Ontario. But the sort of persecution that's happening is it's, it's happening to hundreds

00:18:48.700 of Canadians across the country. It happens every day, cases that we don't hear about.

00:18:53.420 There's another woman in Ontario right now named Amy McKay, who, similar to myself,

00:18:58.940 has made publicly comments about gender, uh, gender ideology and the existence of two sexes.

00:19:06.620 And her college is attempting to pressure her out of her teaching license. They basically

00:19:11.740 want her to surrender her license for the comments that she made. Um, so the, you know,

00:19:16.540 we have just such rot in all of our institutions in Canada. What I wrote about is the fact that we've

00:19:22.460 sort of just handed over power to these woke progressive zealots and there aren't enough

00:19:28.780 people who are really willing to stand up and, and say that we've had enough. But now that we're

00:19:35.260 seeing, you know, these surveys of the Canadian population, it's clear that the vast majority of

00:19:40.860 Canadians do not trust these institutions. Um, so I think the next step is we really have to take action

00:19:47.980 and prove that, you know, every year Edelman, which is a large public relations firm publishes

00:19:53.820 their trust index. And I find it very interesting because it's one of the, the few sort of, uh,

00:19:59.100 fancy elite institutions that's willing to acknowledge that there's even a problem.

00:20:03.740 Let me just read the sub headline of your article. It's we've allowed activist judges, educators,

00:20:08.140 politicians, public health officials, and bureaucrats to operate without accountability for too long.

00:20:12.860 Like you've just basically listed all of society other than I suppose private sector. And you know

00:20:18.540 what? I remember when I was younger and all these students were going into gender studies and vegetarian

00:20:24.780 studies and all these different studies. And I sort of thought, ha ha ha, they're not even going to get,

00:20:29.180 there's no such thing as a job in those things. Like I, I sort of, in my mind, I mocked them, but was I ever

00:20:36.060 wrong. That's absolutely the pipe, but that's the pipeline to $200,000 a year equity jobs. I'm the

00:20:43.420 idiot trying to work in the free market as an employee, or even as an entrepreneur. I was wrong. 1.00

00:20:49.820 All of those things you just listed, uh, or that are listed in your article, that's where the woke

00:20:56.140 schools dump their outflow into. Now I noticed, I mean, I noticed he didn't say mom and pop shops,

00:21:03.340 corner groceries, you know, uh, ordinary people that we have specifically riveted our left-wing

00:21:11.980 schools to all these public institutions. So it was inevitable, wasn't it?

00:21:16.860 It was. And you know, what you're talking about is exactly what I saw working in healthcare. I was

00:21:22.300 with Vancouver Coastal Health as a registered nurse for 13 years. They fired me just about a year ago

00:21:27.980 after I was found guilty of, uh, professional misconduct for stating that there are two sexes

00:21:33.180 male and female during a nursing shortage, by the way. But over the more than a decade that I was

00:21:40.140 with this institution, the type of people you're talking about, these people that, you know,

00:21:44.140 they have arts degrees, they've studied gender, uh, more and more of these people are hired into these

00:21:49.820 pointless roles and they're making better money than the nurses are making on the front lines 1.00

00:21:56.140 in healthcare system where patients are actually dying in emergency rooms and we don't have enough

00:22:01.500 care providers and yet we're just giving away millions and millions of dollars to these ideologues.

00:22:07.420 It's, it's just completely bonkers.

00:22:10.220 Yeah. You know, let me read a little bit from your article and you referred to the Edelman study.

00:22:15.340 Only 28% of Canadians gave Parliament a rating of four or five. That's a trustworthy score. 0.70

00:22:22.220 Media got 36%, schools 45%, courts 48%, and police were the highest at 63%.

00:22:29.020 I think police have shat the bed a little bit in recent years. I mean, their conduct during COVID

00:22:35.100 when many police forces allowed themselves to become tools of, um, public health, social engineering.

00:22:41.500 I mean, the New York police department was one notable exception. They really said,

00:22:46.140 we're not going to get into this, but I remember seeing police in many countries. Australia, they were

00:22:50.700 brutal California. They would arrest lone people sitting on the beach. I think police did themselves

00:22:58.300 an atrocious disservice, but come back to the media. 36% of people trust the media. I want to know who

00:23:04.860 those 36% are. Cause I, I want to go back to the before times when I would, when I, I mean, I don't 0.99

00:23:10.700 think I ever trusted the media at a very young age. I realized that any story I knew about firsthand,

00:23:17.420 I would find many errors in a story. So I would have to assume that the stories I didn't know

00:23:22.860 about the firsthand facts, why would they be any more accurate? And then it was no longer a case

00:23:27.900 of accuracy. It was deliberate spin, which is a different thing. It's not that there is a mistake.

00:23:32.780 It's a deliberate propaganda. I don't know. Let me ask you about the, your headline, which is,

00:23:37.980 it's a good thing. I suppose it's a good thing that we're waking up to this mismanagement of these

00:23:43.260 industries, but that means we don't know what to believe in. And then there's so many false

00:23:49.100 profits and, and scam artists out there. I mean, I think of Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes,

00:23:56.860 their strength is that, well, we're not the establishment. You can't trust them. So trust me.

00:24:03.180 It's the second part that's dangerous. I don't trust the New York Times, the Washington Post,

00:24:08.220 the BBC. I don't trust any of those like Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes. I'm a distruster,

00:24:15.900 but I'm not going to go with charlatans like them. No, I think if you could stratify this 36, 0.85

00:24:22.700 what was it? 36.8% or something of people who trust the media. If, if we were looking

00:24:27.500 at independent media in Canada versus the mainstream media or government funded media,

00:24:31.820 I think you would see vastly different numbers there. Because I do think there are a lot of

00:24:36.700 independent outlets that are gaining a lot of public trust and they demonstrate accountability

00:24:42.780 and they demonstrate that they're looking for the truth in their reporting, you know, as your outlet

00:24:48.620 included. But you're right that these charlatans can sort of step in without having sort of any

00:24:55.740 cohesive message. They're just spouting nonsense as we're seeing with Candace Owens in particular right 0.86

00:25:02.940 now. Yeah. I mean, I, and I think a lot of this has to do with again, COVID where you had doctors

00:25:08.060 and pharmacists amongst the most trustworthy people in the world who just started read, you know, being

00:25:14.700 Pfizer salesman or something. I mean, I remember my own doctor who I really like started giving me the

00:25:20.140 whole, the Pfizer line. And I, and I just didn't want to argue with him about it. I mean, he wasn't

00:25:25.180 going to change my mind. Same the other way. I just was there for another reason. And he started

00:25:30.060 giving me these talking points like, well, did you know that Facebook made $4 billion

00:25:36.300 through, um, false posts? Like what you, are you persuaded? Do you, like, I just,

00:25:42.860 that's, that wasn't a doctor's argument. That was a lame political argument. And imagine how my trust in

00:25:48.620 medical experts and Teresa to all these white lab coats with a clipboard. So therefore you must trust me.

00:25:56.620 Oh, but you can't use ivermectin. And like, it's just, I can't believe how badly they detonated the

00:26:03.100 belief in one's doctor. Everyone used to love doctors, look up to them. I think they massacred

00:26:08.780 their reputation. I just, and I hate to say it. I mean, I, my father was a doctor. I mean, I, I do look

00:26:14.780 up to the work that doctors did to the smart, but holy smokes, did they ever sell out?

00:26:20.140 I still have a lot of respect for the medical profession as well. Um, and you, you know,

00:26:25.900 you don't become a doctor if you're an idiot, they're intelligent people. But I think what 1.00

00:26:31.660 happened during COVID so much of the public lost trust, especially in public health officials

00:26:37.820 that sold us lies. And if Canada were to enter into an actual emergency, like say we had an Ebola

00:26:45.340 outbreak as unlikely as that is, we would be absolutely hooped as a country because after

00:26:51.420 what happened in COVID, nobody is going to be following public health orders. Um, and you know,

00:26:57.580 today it's, it's kind of funny that today is the day that we saw the appeal of, um, the emergencies act

00:27:05.420 was, uh, put down at the Supreme court of Canada. And you know, that, that goes to show again,

00:27:12.060 we still, despite the truth that has been reported and that has been outed since then,

00:27:17.180 we still have a government in Canada that was willing to waste years and who knows how much money

00:27:23.100 and resources and time, just trying, just trying to undo a court ruling that of course they were,

00:27:29.420 they were going to lose that appeal of the emergencies act.

00:27:32.540 Yeah. Well, you know, I still see people wearing masks COVID style. I know people who won't

00:27:39.100 do certain social things that they did before. So I think some people were absolutely persuaded.

00:27:43.980 And by the way, um, almost every provincial premier and by the way, the prime minister in Canada

00:27:49.820 who went to the people in an election during the lockdowns, they won. Jason Kenney was booted out

00:27:56.620 by his own party, but Doug Ford won and all the way down. Uh, so the lessons they,

00:28:02.380 they took from it all where we can do this, we can get away with this. Here's one thing I was

00:28:06.380 thinking about, you know, well, what happens when you detonate a source of authority that both

00:28:13.500 sides of the spectrum can agree on? Like, I think both the left wing and the right wing trusted

00:28:19.100 doctors and pharmacists before, and they would say that's not even a left wing or right wing thing

00:28:24.380 they would have said before 2020. Um, but now, I mean, let me give you an example in social media,

00:28:31.820 you've got the president of the United States. He has his own truth social, and that's only for,

00:28:38.140 you know, right wing Trump supporters. Who else would be there? But boy, would they be enthusiasts.

00:28:43.580 And on the other side, you've got this left wing swamp called blue sky. And same thing, 0.67

00:28:50.300 what Republican would ever go there? So you have two different echo chambers and, and I'm not,

00:28:56.700 listen, I think you've got to follow the facts wherever they lead and find truth wherever it is.

00:29:00.620 But what I'm worried about is because we've detonated or self detonated these authorities that used to bind

00:29:06.700 us together. I mean, I don't know what the common ground is anymore. I mean, and I think you need

00:29:13.580 some of that because you can't have all of life becoming a war between partisans. Like it's

00:29:19.740 exhausting. I think it's demoralizing. There has to be a time again, where not everything is political,

00:29:26.940 where you go out and walk the dog and it's not a political act. By the way, it became a political

00:29:31.900 act during the lockdowns in Quebec, for example, it was illegal to walk your dog during the curfew for

00:29:37.100 health reasons. I don't know. I just, um, I, I lament this fact. You say it's a good thing

00:29:42.780 and I understand what you mean because you have to expose the woke radicals, but it's also a terribly

00:29:48.860 sad thing too. Yeah. You know, it's a good thing as long as Canadians take action and start to push

00:29:56.140 back against these institutional abuses that are happening and start because there won't be any

00:30:03.100 change. And like I said, you can't just respond to statistics, Canada surveys, or vote the way you

00:30:09.020 want. If you're not actually stepping up, telling people in your workplace that you disagree with

00:30:15.900 land acknowledgements or whatever DEI policies are being enforced upon you. If you don't speak to your

00:30:22.700 MLA or your MP, you know, go, go to your MLA and say, my province needs the same legislation that

00:30:30.540 Daniel Smith is trying to enact in Alberta called Peterson's law, which restricts the power of

00:30:35.660 professional regulators to, um, to infringe upon the free speech of its members. Uh, there are like,

00:30:42.940 there are hundreds and hundreds of thousands of professionals in this country. And I know from

00:30:48.700 being in a regulated profession that the vast majority of my colleagues agreed with my stance,

00:30:54.460 but we're too afraid to come out and support me or say anything. But what you can do is you can go

00:31:00.300 to your MLA and say, this is, this is what I want to happen. Like, that's what I mean is you really,

00:31:06.540 we have to start taking action in a serious way to change our culture. Yeah. I think most people are,

00:31:14.780 don't know how to do it, don't have the time to do it, are too busy just earning a living or going

00:31:18.780 to school or whatever they're doing. Um, I think politics should be so inconsequential that it is

00:31:25.740 a hobby for those who like it, but unfortunately every bloody thing is so political, especially

00:31:30.620 the schools these days. Let me ask you in closing, uh, for an update on your own case, are you still

00:31:36.300 in litigation? Are you still fighting in some way the BC College of Nurses and Midwives?

00:31:41.420 Yes, absolutely. So the latest is while, so my guilty verdict came down, uh, about 10 months ago

00:31:52.620 and about six months later I was sentenced, so to speak. And I owe about $94,000 in legal costs

00:32:02.540 and I am to have a one month license suspension. Uh, that's been put on hold because we've appealed to

00:32:09.500 the Supreme Court of BC, the entire ruling. So that's, it's still, there's, there are delays in

00:32:16.140 it. This is part of the problem with Canada. There are insane delays in our court system. It's so

00:32:19.740 backlogged all of the time. So nothing has moved forward yet. Um, I'm not, you know, as I talked

00:32:26.460 about, we have activists, judges, activist court systems. I'm not hopeful about winning my appeal at the

00:32:32.380 BC Supreme Court. I'm just hopeful that going through this process will sort of expose gender ideology for 0.76

00:32:38.460 what it is. So at, you know, at the end of that, I'm going to still, I'm sure have to pay this $94,000

00:32:44.780 and take a one month suspension. Um, and so aside from that, I also have two BC human rights tribunal

00:32:52.380 complaints on the basis of a discrimination for political belief, which is a protected category

00:32:57.900 in the BC human rights code. Um, and then in addition to that, because I was fired from Vancouver

00:33:03.580 Coastal Health after my 13 years of employment, once I was found guilty by my college, I have this

00:33:11.580 sort of union battle going on. But as you are well aware, Ezra, the unions in Canada are extremely woke

00:33:18.140 and captured by woke ideology. So, so far, you know, it's, it's been a year and nothing has happened.

00:33:25.340 I still don't even know if they're going to represent me at arbitration. And, uh, after that,

00:33:30.460 I would be left in a position where I'd have to sue my union for a failure to represent.

00:33:35.660 So essentially I have four lawsuits going on all as a result of just going on record and, and saying

00:33:42.940 men aren't women and women deserve their, their privacy, their dignity, their safety in their own 0.98

00:33:48.380 spaces. It's just, it's pretty unbelievable. Are any of those lawsuits related to Twitter or X?

00:33:56.060 So the, a lot, well, you know, Vancouver Coastal Health sort of would cite a lot of my ex posts when

00:34:04.780 they would haul me in and out of human resources. But in my ruling from the college, they only found

00:34:12.540 me guilty on the basis of four items out of more than 300 pages of my statements, articles, podcasts.

00:34:19.900 They were not able to use any of my tweets to find me guilty because I never went on Twitter and said,

00:34:25.420 you know, I'm, I'm a nurse and this is why I think that men aren't women. Uh, it was just these few

00:34:32.940 items where there was sort of a, an inconsequential biographical detail. Like I wrote an article and

00:34:38.780 it just said, Amy's a nurse and she has a nursing degree, journalism three works as a nurse. So that was

00:34:44.220 how I was found guilty. You know, the reason I ask is because I've learned over the years that

00:34:49.900 Elon Musk, since he bought Twitter or access is now called has something called the anti-retaliation

00:34:55.580 project. And if anyone is fired or prosecuted because what they do on the platform, he will

00:35:01.260 consider helping them. And I know this because, uh, miraculously we managed to get him to support

00:35:07.500 Tommy Robinson, our free speech crusading activist journalist in the UK. So if there is a connection

00:35:14.620 to acts or to Twitter, uh, and I'm not sure if there is, but I know he's very alert to the trans

00:35:20.860 issue. That's very close to his heart. It's something maybe Elon would be interested in

00:35:25.100 helping me. If my union stops representing me, they've done very little to represent me thus far,

00:35:30.780 but if they drop me, maybe Elon will help me because that was definitely it. My tweets came into

00:35:35.980 play with being fired from the public health authority in BC. So that's something that I would

00:35:41.900 look into for sure. Well, that's you and me talk offline because, uh,

00:35:46.140 you know, I obviously I'm not in a position to make any decision, but I was able to assist with

00:35:51.900 Tommy's case. And, and I know you rely on the goodwill of the public through the justice center

00:35:57.180 for your law of defense. Uh, so I'm glad you're in their good hands. Uh, and who's your lawyer?

00:36:02.380 Lisa Bildy. Is that right? I have Lisa Bildy. She was with the justice center when she started and,

00:36:07.660 uh, uh, she has her own practice right now, but the justice center for constitutional freedoms has 0.93

00:36:12.700 very generously agreed to pay her legal bills because I wanted her to continue representing me.

00:36:18.220 Right. Well, that's great. And those are good people all around there. We're familiar with them.

00:36:21.820 Well, that, listen, it's nice to hear from you and I'm sorry, these things are still hanging over you.

00:36:25.660 Uh, but, uh, you know, you are suffering, but it's for the good of the public and, and there's

00:36:32.780 something very giving about that. And I hope you get some moral satisfaction in helping not just

00:36:41.260 yourself, but others. I think it's obviously a case in the public interest. And if we can help along

00:36:46.300 the way, it sounds like you are in good hands, but, um, you know, maybe I'll look into the

00:36:50.380 possibility of bringing this to the attention of the, of the CEO and owner of X, because if you were

00:36:56.140 indeed fired because of what you wrote on X, that may be something he could help with. And again,

00:37:00.700 I don't speak for him, but it would be amazing if that could be arranged. Well, listen, great to see

00:37:04.780 you. Thanks for the catch up and congratulations on the weekly column. Thank you, Ezra. It was great to

00:37:10.940 talk to you. You too. There she is. Amy Hamm, weekly columnist with the national post and

00:37:15.420 a crusader for women's rights. If I may say, stay with us more ahead.

00:37:31.340 Hey, instead of letters, I want to show you a very exciting moment today. It was very nerve wracking

00:37:37.180 at first, but very satisfying. I'm talking about the federal court of appeal, issuing their judgment

00:37:42.940 in the government's appeal of the emergencies act case. So sorry, I'm using so much jargon.

00:37:50.140 Uh, remember when Justin Trudeau under the leadership of justice minister, David Lamedi

00:37:54.620 put Canada under martial law, invoking the emergencies act for the first time in Canadian

00:37:59.340 history. It had never even been used during nine 11. That was the pretext for seizing bank accounts,

00:38:05.020 freezing banker accounts, sending the riot police out there. It was a disgraceful moment.

00:38:09.420 Um, they were taken to court and the federal court was asked, what's their decision to destroy these

00:38:17.100 civil liberties? Was it done lawfully? The emergencies act has a process. Was it followed

00:38:23.900 in a stunning ruling? The federal court said, no, it was completely illegal and unconstitutional.

00:38:29.980 That was a disgraceful moment that led David Lamedi, the justice minister to quit and skulk out of the

00:38:35.420 building. He's back by the way, but the government of course, wouldn't take that lying down. So they

00:38:40.300 appealed to the federal court of appeal. So three judges reviewed the lower judges case. And today,

00:38:46.220 all three said, no, that lower judgment stands. It was completely illegal and unconstitutional,

00:38:53.740 a very exciting outcome. Anyways, we had our dear friend Tamera Leach, who is now working with

00:38:59.420 Rebel as a journalist on our live stream today. We had other guests on the live stream, Chris Barber,

00:39:04.780 Keith Wilson, the lawyer. Without further ado, let me end today's show, not with letters as we usually do,

00:39:10.380 but with this from our live stream, just as the news was released. Good night, everybody. Have a great

00:39:16.220 weekend. And the next time you see me, I'll be at the World Economic Forum in Davos chasing oligarchs down

00:39:21.980 the street. Good night. So yeah, you're absolutely right. Thank goodness for independent media like

00:39:29.820 Rebel News, True North at the time, and the citizen journalists that came out and actually talked to

00:39:35.820 Canadians and got the footage that was on the ground. And I heard from a lot of people that

00:39:41.980 literally went to Ottawa because of what they were seeing on TV and how it was completely opposite from

00:39:47.660 what they were seeing coming through on these live streams. And a lot of them drove to Ottawa

00:39:51.980 to see for themselves. And when they got there, they realized that the mainstream media was lying.

00:39:58.300 We've got John Carpe on the call with us right now. I want to bring John in because

00:40:07.260 I think we have, do we have the decision in yet? John Carpe is with the Justice Center for

00:40:13.820 Constitutional Freedoms. He's just jumped onto the call. Sorry to cut you short there, Chris.

00:40:18.060 Bring us up. He looks like he's got a lot to say. I can't wait. I see him.

00:40:23.500 Can you hear me now? Yes, we can hear you, John. Thank you so much for joining us.

00:40:27.420 Conclusion, paragraph 506. In light of the above reasons, we are of the opinion that the appeals by

00:40:32.620 the Attorney General of Canada in files, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, should be dismissed,

00:40:37.740 as should be the cross appeals by the Canadian Civil Liberties Association and the Canadian

00:40:43.900 Constitution Foundation. Since neither the Attorney General nor the public interest litigants have

00:40:49.260 requested costs, none will be awarded. So the lower court ruling is affirmed. Obviously, I haven't read

00:40:57.180 the preceding 505 paragraphs, but paragraph 506 says that the appeal of the Attorney General in files,

00:41:05.580 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, should be dismissed. 0.51

00:41:09.980 Awesome. Oh, gosh. Tamara and Chris, how are you guys feeling right now?

00:41:15.660 Relief. I think Tamara's gonna, you're crying. I'm not gonna cry. I'm not crying today.

00:41:22.460 And all three, it's unanimous. All three judges, all three judges signed on. Good.

00:41:27.420 Oh, there's some justice in Canada. Thank you. Thank you.

00:41:31.260 John, I appreciate all you guys have done to put into this, please. If it wasn't for the JCCF and,

00:41:36.220 like you said, Democracy Fund, we wouldn't be in this position right now. So thanks and kudos to all

00:41:42.220 those donors. Well, kudos to all the donors, right?

00:41:45.580 I'm sure to think where we would be. Yes.

00:41:46.540 Yes. Yeah.

00:41:47.660 Yeah. John, tell us about the Justice Center's role in all of this, because you've done such important work

00:41:57.980 holding the government to account. You're really the driving organization behind this.

00:42:04.220 You are crowdfunded. So I want to make sure that you get the credit that you're due in upholding

00:42:09.580 the civil rights of Canadians in this country. And if you can, please explain to this, to the viewers,

00:42:17.020 what this means going forward and what it would mean if the government had won this appeal.

00:42:21.500 Well, this ruling is super, super important because it said that the federal government failed to

00:42:31.260 meet the necessary requirements of the Emergencies Act. There are several requirements, including

00:42:39.580 that local law enforcement cannot handle the situation, that it's a serious threat to national

00:42:46.220 security. Neither of which was true because when the Emergencies Act was invoked, we were down to

00:42:54.460 a local protest only in Ottawa. It was peaceful. Local law enforcement hadn't. As was pointed out

00:43:02.780 by Tamara yesterday on a live stream, neither she nor Chris Barber was arrested under the emergencies

00:43:11.180 measures. They were arrested pursuant to ordinary law enforcement. So this was a really important

00:43:17.580 accountability check that a court said to the Prime Minister Trudeau and the federal government,

00:43:25.660 you guys were wrong. You abused. You didn't comply with the legislation which says that you can only use

00:43:33.660 emergency powers when there's a bona fide national emergency and other law enforcement mechanisms are

00:43:41.660 not going to work. So that's just really, really important for the sake of accountability, for the

00:43:46.780 sake of preventing or at least slowing down our slide towards becoming a police state, because that's what

00:43:53.180 we're on track with right now with all the bad bills in Parliament, but I won't get into that right now.

00:43:58.460 So if the court today had allowed the federal government's appeal, it would just be giving a

00:44:05.900 green light to tyranny and saying, yeah, you know, the, the government can just, if the government

00:44:11.100 feels like there's an emergency, you know, doesn't, doesn't matter what the facts are, you can, you can

00:44:16.380 just go ahead and do it. And, and that's actually the, this government, they were, they were even talking

00:44:21.660 about that, that the requirements were too high. You know, the government should be able to

00:44:25.820 find an economic emergency and, and invoke emergency powers, you know, because the economy is doing

00:44:34.060 poorly. So I'm thrilled. Good precedent. Yes, I am thrilled too. So, John, what do you, I mean,

00:44:41.340 nobody has a crystal ball. I mean, what, now the federal government basically has been proven wrong.

00:44:48.140 I mean, what do you, what do you expect or would you anticipate the next steps from the

00:44:51.820 liberal government are going to be in this proceedings? Do you think they're going to appeal this or

00:44:55.500 they would need to get the Supreme court's permission first, which is true for everybody.

00:45:02.620 It's not just the federal government, but if you want the Supreme court of Canada to hear

00:45:06.700 an appeal first, you say, would you please, you don't just file it and get your appeal heard as

00:45:12.460 you would ordinarily. Um, so it's a two-step process. So first the federal government would

00:45:17.660 have to go to the Supreme court and, and, um, ask if they would please hear the appeal in order to win

00:45:23.980 on that application. They have to show that there is an unresolved doctrine of law, um, that,

00:45:33.100 that the Supreme court should address because there's a lack of clarity in the law. And that

00:45:40.700 happens from time to time, right? You get different provinces come out, courts in different provinces

00:45:45.180 have contradictory rulings. So the Supreme court resolves it. So that, uh, I wouldn't,

00:45:52.300 I would say the federal government's chance of getting this heard, uh, by the Supreme court appear

00:45:58.540 to be pretty small because I don't know what they're going to say is, is some, um, doctrine of law that,

00:46:06.140 that Canadians are clamoring to get clarity on. Uh, this is kind of a one-time decision. Did the federal

00:46:12.220 government comply with the emergencies act? Yes or no. This is a very fact specific decision.

00:46:18.300 Uh, you know, uh, so that's another reason, I mean, the Supreme court would probably look at this

00:46:23.020 and go, well, the judge made a decision based on the facts as to whether or not the federal

00:46:28.300 government met the criteria it was supposed to have met. And anyway, so the federal government could

00:46:35.260 appeal it, uh, the, the other side, uh, our side, we could, uh, appeal it. But, um, I would say the

00:46:44.540 chance of this getting, going into the Supreme court is small in my view. So what does this mean?

00:46:51.260 And so I understand, well, and we're one of them. There's a lot of, um, lawsuits before the court.

00:46:56.140 So that will be before the courts about the bank account for seizures. And, and Chris and I are one of

00:47:01.740 them. Uh, Keith Wilson is representing us on that matter. So what is that going to mean for,

00:47:06.860 for people like us and other people that have filed lawsuits against the government for the

00:47:11.660 unconstitutional and illegal, not to mention banana Republic style freezing of the bank accounts of 208

00:47:18.380 innocent Canadians? It's good news for you and other people, because the lower court said that the 0.97

00:47:27.820 freezing of the bank accounts was unjustified and that can only help other Canadians in a civil claim.

00:47:35.820 I'm not sure if I would go so far as to say that, that, you know, guarantees you success in other

00:47:40.780 court actions, but it's very, very helpful that we have a lower court ruling now affirmed by the

00:47:45.580 federal court of appeal that the, uh, freezing of the bank accounts was not justified. It was an

00:47:53.580 unjustified violation of the charter, right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. So it's

00:48:00.380 just very, very positive again, without, you know, necessarily guaranteeing fixture in other court

00:48:05.580 actions. It's really good to have this as a precedent that, that you can say, Hey, here's the federal

00:48:11.500 court of appeal of Canada, which is on par with the Ontario BC, Alberta courts of appeal. One of the

00:48:19.100 many second highest courts in the land has said that the freezing of the bank accounts was,

00:48:24.060 was an unjustified violation of your constitutional rights.

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