Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Carney Liberals capitalized on Trump tariff woes

00:00:00.000 Oh, hi, everybody. We pre-recorded this show yesterday because today I'm actually in Montreal

00:00:05.360 at the leaders debate for the Canadian election. But we had a great conversation with my friend

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00:01:02.940 Tonight, is Mark Carney going to win? And if so, what will happen to Alberta? A feature conversation

00:01:24.700 with our friend Lauren Gunter. It's April 16th, and this is The Ezra LeVance Show.

00:01:28.560 We're ready for freedom. Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:43.200 Oh, hi, everybody. I'm actually recording this on April 15th, because on April 16th,

00:01:48.320 me, along with a lot of our Rebel News team, will be in Montreal. We'll be there for the first of two

00:01:53.960 leaders' debates. Tomorrow, actually, I'm saying that tomorrow, but tonight, when this airs, it'll

00:01:59.780 be the French language debate. And tomorrow will be the English language debate. It's been a real

00:02:05.320 battle for us to get in these debates. We were kept out by Justin Trudeau in 2019 and 2021,

00:02:11.260 but both times we were able to get a judge to overturn that. This year, Mark Carney's debates

00:02:18.080 commission tried to pull a trick on us, saying we were all welcome to attend, but in the secret

00:02:23.240 fine print, they said, but only one of us could ask questions. We fought them to a draw, and they're

00:02:27.800 going to allow five rebel questioners in the scrum. Anyways, so that's going to be happening in real

00:02:33.560 time. So as I'm saying this to you now, as you're watching it, we're going to have a live stream of

00:02:38.280 these debates, plus me, Andrea Humphrey, and Sheila Gunn-Reed, and Alexa Lavoie, and David Menzies

00:02:43.940 are going to be in the scrum of the debate. But I recorded this conversation yesterday with my

00:02:49.960 friend, Lauren Gunter, senior columnist with the Edmonton Sun, thoughtful guy, smart guy. I've known

00:02:55.040 him for really most of my life when I was growing up in Alberta. He was a friend of mine. We're still

00:02:59.200 friends today. And he reflects on what might happen if a new Preston Manning comes forward, who doesn't

00:03:07.780 say the West want in, but rather says the West wants out. That could happen if Mark Carney wins.

00:03:13.940 Here's our conversation recorded yesterday. Enjoy.

00:03:24.580 I feel like Ontario is letting the country down. I think Ontario, for a while there, was going to

00:03:30.880 swing back to conservatism, as it does. But it's Ontario where the Conservative Party of Canada

00:03:37.520 votes seem to be falling apart the most. Alberta, obviously, is going to be a clean sweep for 1.00

00:03:43.920 the Conservatives, or at least nearly so. Maybe one or two Liberals can pop up in Edmonton,

00:03:49.480 as they sometimes do. I think Saskatchewan will be the same. But Ontario is the motherload of votes.

00:03:55.620 The Atlantic briefly showed a majority of Conservative seats. In fact, there was a moment

00:04:01.560 where even Prince Edward Island, historically perhaps the most Liberal of places, they had a rally with over

00:04:07.600 1,000 people for Pierre Paulieff. But it feels like that's falling apart. And here to help explain what

00:04:13.920 is going on, and can something happen in the remaining dozen days of the campaign, is our friend

00:04:20.600 Lauren Gunter, Senior Columnist for the Edmonton Sun. And he's written in the Journal and other places,

00:04:27.340 its column appears many places. I'm going to quote the headline from one of them.

00:04:31.600 Carney liberals capitalize on older voters' fear of change and disruption. Joining us now via Skype

00:04:39.520 is our friend Lauren Gunter. Lauren, great to see you. Fear of change and disruption. But don't voters

00:04:47.640 also want change? Or is it just a chaotic change they're afraid of? What's going on?

00:04:52.640 Well, the threats from Donald Trump on tariffs have created bigger fears than usual. And so, yes,

00:05:03.360 people were afraid of another term by the Liberals, but it now seems to them that the bigger problem is

00:05:10.560 more tariff threats from Trump. Now, that I have a sense is fading a bit because he's gone into this

00:05:18.960 90-day pause on his tariffs. People are starting to factor into their lives, the fact that this chaos

00:05:27.920 south of the border is going to be with us more or less for the next two years until the midterm

00:05:34.260 elections in the United States. So, I think that now people are starting to look a little bit more

00:05:42.980 at the economy, at affordability, at crime, at some of the issues that the conservatives have been very

00:05:50.640 good at. But I think there are two things happening that are keeping, that have made people return to

00:05:56.980 the liberal fold, as you say, in Ontario, to some extent in Quebec, and even a little bit on the lower

00:06:05.180 mainland, although I was in BC on the weekend. And I don't get a sense of a huge liberal swing there.

00:06:12.660 I mean, there's been talk of that. Some of the polls show that the Liberals are making a return in Vancouver.

00:06:21.560 Yes, they'll probably win more seats than they would have three months ago, but are they going to take 12?

00:06:27.260 No, I don't think that's even close. So, I think there's two things that are happening.

00:06:33.880 One is that you have a generation of people, of which I am one, people over 50, who have done quite

00:06:43.460 well until the last few years. They probably have a house that's paid for. The value of that house has

00:06:50.560 doubled or tripled or quadrupled in the time they've owned it. They're finishing their working

00:06:56.700 careers or they're already finished their working careers. They have reasonably comfortable retirements.

00:07:02.420 If they've been in the public sector, they could have very comfortable retirements

00:07:06.840 based on the kinds of pensions that teachers and nurses and bureaucrats and others in the public

00:07:13.640 sector get. And they don't want this Trump stuff to mess that up. They worked all their lives to get

00:07:20.780 to this point. And they think Carney's the better person for dealing with Trump. Trump is the biggest

00:07:26.520 threat to my nest egg, my retirement. So, therefore, I want Carney now. And it's no more, it's no deeper

00:07:36.980 than that. There's no more intellect involved in it than that. But I think the other thing that's

00:07:41.980 happening is people who have voted liberal most of their lives don't like Pierre Pollion.

00:07:50.440 They think he's a frat boy. They think he's smarmy. They think he's the attack dog of the

00:07:57.820 conservatives. He was the attack dog for too long. They can't see him now as the prime minister. And

00:08:03.460 he does say things every once in a while that would reinforce that impression if you already had that

00:08:10.760 impression. You and I might watch a video he puts out and think, hey, that was pretty clever.

00:08:15.880 I like that. But he will say the odd thing in those videos, or even his speeches, as clever as

00:08:24.460 they might be, that just puts people off. And they were going to go to him until Justin Trudeau

00:08:32.680 resigned. They were prepared to put up with their distaste for Polyev, because it was less than their

00:08:40.580 disgust for Trudeau. One of the things, and I want this as an aside, one of the things that has

00:08:46.600 amazed me, sort of, or something I've clued into during this race is just how hated Justin Trudeau

00:08:55.080 was. He leaves, and all of this support surges back to the liberals. It's the same staff. It's the same

00:09:05.840 cabinet. It's the same candidates. It's all the same team, but they just changed the one player.

00:09:13.360 And he was so hated that the new guy is benefiting tremendously.

00:09:18.780 You are so right. I mean, it's what, 87% the same cabinet or whatever.

00:09:23.780 Yeah.

00:09:24.860 First of all, that shows that the cabinet really, I don't think, beyond Chrystia Freeland and maybe

00:09:31.960 Bill Blair. I don't know if a lot of people could name members of the cabinet, maybe Melanie Jolie.

00:09:37.120 But I just think it was such a one-man show.

00:09:39.480 Yeah. And that's about it. I think it was such a one-man show. Power was so centralized around Trudeau

00:09:47.240 that I don't think people even really know, like, who's Anita Anand? I don't think most people know.

00:09:54.980 And she was very prominent. There are lots of lesser ministers who I can't name.

00:10:01.920 Yeah.

00:10:02.360 But Anand was defense minister for a while. She was president of the Treasury Board. I mean,

00:10:08.160 she's been very, very senior. And Trudeau cut her out of the cabinet at one point because

00:10:14.540 she was starting to organize a revolt against him. So that's how senior she is. She thought

00:10:22.100 she might be the leader someday. And even she can't be named by most people in the country.

00:10:28.580 You know, here's what's so amazing is Justin Trudeau was so central to the liberals. And I

00:10:33.120 confess, I thought there's no one who could pick up. There was no one in his team who had the

00:10:39.260 leadership skills, the political skills. And I think I was right. It was Mark Carney. Not that Carney

00:10:43.460 has the skills, but just his presence, this central casting image. But here's something I want to run

00:10:49.140 by. Justin Trudeau was the center of this country's federal political scene in terms of its tone,

00:10:56.020 its rhetorical style, its smarmy male feminism and wokeness. And he's been gone, I don't know,

00:11:06.340 a month? Maybe a month. I'd have to check the exact dates. And when was the last time you saw anyone

00:11:12.860 say, hey, what does Justin Trudeau think? Hey, let's ask Trudeau about this. Hey, what's Trudeau up to?

00:11:17.740 I saw him pop up in one campaign. You know, he door knocked for one person. But literally no one

00:11:27.420 even thinks about him. It's like effervescing. It's like mist. It's like he was a rumor. It's

00:11:34.380 like that old Churchill insult. Trudeau showed, an empty cab showed up in Parliament Hill and Justin

00:11:39.900 Trudeau stepped out. Don't you think it's remarkable what a nullity he was that no one

00:11:47.580 even thinks or talks about him anymore? It's just a matter of days.

00:11:51.500 Yeah, exactly. And the thing that that that I take out of that is how many of those people

00:11:59.220 in his caucus, in his cabinet, on his staff, knew he was the wrong person for the last year or so,

00:12:08.280 but wouldn't say it. It's like it's like all the staff around Joe Biden, when Joe Biden had gone

00:12:13.660 gaga. And all of us had all of us knew he was gaga. But they would say, Oh, no, no. And private Joe is

00:12:20.060 so sharp. He's so great. Yeah, he he had that horrendous debate against Trump, which really what

00:12:27.120 pushed him out last June. And they said, Oh, he wasn't very good, because he'd just come back from an

00:12:33.760 overseas trip. And he had a cold. Yeah, no, no. It wasn't. It wasn't a cold. They kept saying, Oh,

00:12:40.120 Trudeau is going to be the guy. He's so good. He'll find a way out. No, no. And I think that

00:12:46.320 the fact that nobody cares now where he is or what he's doing is proof positive.

00:12:52.160 You know, I that's such a good analogy. I remember Stéphane Dion. Remember, he was a liberal

00:12:59.780 leader in I think 2008 or something. And he ran on the green shift. And, and Trudeau actually was

00:13:04.740 kind to him, give him a plum position in Paris, if I'm not mistaken, which for any Quebecer is the

00:13:10.280 dream political assignment for anyone, it would be. I think it was Stéphane Dion who said

00:13:15.060 that he only had one, one on one conversation with Trudeau ever. They only really spoke once.

00:13:24.860 And, and that was it. Yeah. And, and, and I don't think Stéphane Dion is a liar or a dramatic

00:13:32.000 storyteller. Like he's, he's sort of the opposite. He's like a bookish professor, which is what he

00:13:37.700 was. Like a senior guy, former leader, cabinet minister, senior diplomat. Trudeau is so uninterested

00:13:46.640 in things. He talked to him once. And I've heard that from a number of cabinet ministers. They say that

00:13:52.560 some say it in public, like Stéphane Dion wasn't even saying it in an angry way. He was sort of

00:13:56.740 saying it in a, wow, that's sort of strange. Trudeau was, he really was as shallow as a puddle.

00:14:03.680 And I don't know if you remember, Lauren, in the ethics inquiry, when he went to the Aga Khan's,

00:14:12.280 the billionaire island in the Caribbean, he said to the ethics counselor, oh, no, no, no,

00:14:19.280 I'm not involved in the details of business. Someone else handles that. I'm just the relationship

00:14:23.720 guy. I come in, make sure everyone's feeling good. And then I let the smart guys take over.

00:14:27.920 He actually said that as his legal defense, he said, I couldn't have been bribed because I didn't

00:14:33.540 even know what the heck they were talking about. I was just. He had two excuses, which was take one

00:14:40.600 or the other, but both of them prove I'm innocent. One was the Aga Khan is a lifelong friend and the

00:14:47.780 ethics commissioner said, yes, but you haven't talked to him in 30 years. So how lifelong can

00:14:51.980 that be? And the other one was, I don't pay attention to the details of my government.

00:14:57.120 I believe that one, by the way, I actually believe he doesn't.

00:15:00.540 I believe them both. Yeah.

00:15:02.000 That he hadn't talked to him in 30 years because he hasn't talked to anybody. He doesn't want to.

00:15:05.720 I think it was Jane Philpott, who had been a very senior minister and got hunted out when

00:15:11.580 Jody Wilson-Raybould got kicked out over the SNC-Lavalin affair. And she said, you know,

00:15:17.680 she was health minister. And she said, yeah, I believe I talked to him twice.

00:15:23.600 That's incredible. You know, I think I never knew Brian Mulroney. I was too young

00:15:27.560 and I was a reform party teenager anyway, so I wouldn't have liked him much. But people who

00:15:33.640 knew Brian Mulroney, who knew him, who worked with him, who spoke with him, said that he had

00:15:38.680 such a true connection with people, that he would phone them, that he would remember details,

00:15:43.140 that they felt a personal bond with him, that they stood with him even in the tough times,

00:15:48.680 right to the bitter end. Bill Clinton had the same touch. They said, and I met Brian Mulroney

00:15:54.900 once, by the way, when he was retired. And he does have that feeling. He's so bloody charming.

00:16:02.260 He makes you embarrassed to hold any animosity towards him. He's passed away now, of course,

00:16:08.620 but he had that. And you have to work at that, by the way. You have to have the social energy

00:16:16.220 to go into a crowd and to pretend. Maybe he really did care about every single human meeting

00:16:21.960 he met, or maybe he just was good at making them feel that way. Bill Clinton, the same way.

00:16:26.620 He made you feel like just for that moment, you were the only person in the world.

00:16:31.360 Yeah. And Trudeau actually was the opposite. He made you feel like he was the only person in the

00:16:40.960 world. Yeah, that's right. And they said that about Sir John A. What was that saying about Sir John A.?

00:16:46.620 Or there was some quarrel in Parliament that, I'll have to dig up some more notes. But I think it's

00:16:52.520 true. Justin Trudeau was only about himself. The only saying I remember about Sir John A. was he told

00:16:56.880 a page one time, fill my glass with gin, but make it look like water.

00:17:04.200 My point is, I think that Trudeau, it was sort of a house of cards. It was all illusions based on

00:17:09.760 illusions. And everybody sort of thought, well, we don't dare oppose him. But, you know, when you

00:17:15.720 finally look behind the curtain, it was, you know, the Wizard of Oz was like, it's just amazing. And I

00:17:22.960 don't know what he's going to wind up doing. No company wants him as a director. If anything,

00:17:28.660 maybe he'll get a bone thrown to him by some, you know, one of these liberal

00:17:32.540 curitsus, like, I don't know.

00:17:34.960 And if you may have noticed, the Trudeau Foundation in Quebec

00:17:38.920 I saw.

00:17:41.840 punted all of his family off the board.

00:17:44.280 Which is incredible.

00:17:45.160 And your brother is the executive director. Like,

00:17:47.560 That's the most incredible story of the week. It's literally called the Trudeau Foundation.

00:17:52.680 But finally, they can clean house from the corruption. And I say that because the brother

00:17:58.220 literally accepted a check from communist Chinese, literally went there to take the check.

00:18:03.240 It's amazing. I don't, like, I used to think he'd get a retirement outcome from

00:18:07.360 Power Corp or the Demaree family. There are some companies that are so large that they'll

00:18:13.100 basically say, well, we'll find something to keep you busy and a fake job and a no-show job

00:18:19.360 for a million bucks a year. I don't know if you can get that.

00:18:21.740 I think somebody will fund him in a fake organization like Mark Carney's Glasgow Financial

00:18:29.900 Alliance for Net Zero.

00:18:31.560 Right.

00:18:31.980 And he'll get to fly around the world and give preachy speeches about, you know, the future

00:18:38.300 of saving the planet. Somebody's going to fund an organization like that, which is really just

00:18:44.920 a vanity show. And he'll end up doing something like that. I wouldn't be surprised if the World

00:18:49.940 Economic Forum gives him something to do.

00:18:52.740 Right.

00:18:52.840 It'll be groups like that that aren't real groups.

00:18:55.600 Right.

00:18:56.340 Because he's not a real leader.

00:18:58.120 Right. Right. Huh. You know, I always thought, you know, if I take away my animosity and my

00:19:05.200 disagreement, I always thought that he could or should have been like a mascot-like figure.

00:19:11.560 Like someone who, I mean, his father was a prime minister.

00:19:15.580 Like something giant and furry that does antics on the sidelines.

00:19:19.780 Like more a cheerleader or a pep talker or like a professional booster.

00:19:24.560 That was his job, right? Before he went into parliament and for a long time after he was a

00:19:30.800 sitting MP, his job was motivational speaker.

00:19:34.540 That's right.

00:19:34.940 And he would charge organizations $25,000 to $35,000 plus a private plane or a first class

00:19:41.860 ticket or in all expenses, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, to come and say, oh, I am so impressed

00:19:48.420 by you teachers. You are the foundation of our society.

00:19:52.300 And, you know, and he would just go on and on and on like that for half an hour and they'd

00:19:55.820 all fall over themselves and say, oh, he's so dreamy, isn't he? Oh my goodness.

00:20:00.640 We were so lucky to have him.

00:20:02.960 That's what he did, which is exactly what you're mentioning, right?

00:20:06.060 Yeah. You know, he did a lot of damage to this country, but he was, but I think it was

00:20:12.200 actually others did a lot of damage while he was the lightning rod or the distractor.

00:20:17.320 I think we're about, if God forbid Mark Carney is successful, Mark Carney himself will do,

00:20:24.940 I've been saying this for a while, Carney is Trudeau 2.0, smarter and harder working and

00:20:30.680 much more networked. Like Trudeau would love to travel places for fun and photo ops. Carney

00:20:38.100 probably knows more world leaders, probably knows more titans because that was what he did.

00:20:43.900 But there's net zero lines to world economics. He didn't wear Indian garb when he last visited

00:20:50.840 Modi in India. Yeah. Well, listen, there's still almost two weeks to go. The polls have tightened

00:20:59.480 a little bit. I want to ask you one last question from Alberta. I'm a little worried about Ontario,

00:21:06.780 but I am worried about Alberta. If Mark Carney wins, especially God forbid, if he wins in a powerful

00:21:13.660 way, a working majority, I'm worried that Albertans will say this ain't, there's just no hope here. 0.97

00:21:21.380 There's no chance. We're robbed again. And Mark Carney is coming to kill us. And I don't know where

00:21:29.920 Danielle Smith will, will wind up on this stuff. Cause she said some things that suggest she's open to

00:21:35.380 changing Alberta's place in the country. What do you think Alberta will do if Mark Carney,

00:21:41.340 Mr. Net Zero wins? I don't, I don't know. There is a strong, and people have been poo-pooing the idea

00:21:50.940 of Alberta separation for a couple of weeks. Like all the major commentators have said, oh, it'll never

00:21:57.780 work. They've only got 30% support. It's got 30% support without a movement. Yeah. They got 30%

00:22:05.340 support without a leader. Yeah. You, you worked for Preston Manning. Yeah. You know what the reform

00:22:12.660 party would have been without Manning. Right. And you know what it became with Manning. Right. So if a

00:22:20.040 Manning-like figure steps forward to say, I'm quite prepared to lead a separatist or independent

00:22:26.840 movement or a nationalist movement or, or a redo confederation movement, that 30%, I think could

00:22:36.020 easily become 40 or 45%. And with the right circumstances could get over 50%. And you'll

00:22:42.460 remember the Clarity Act says in order to leave, you need a 50% majority on a clear question. Yeah.

00:22:49.720 So do I think it's completely out of, out of line? No. Like what would have happened

00:22:54.220 in 1989, 1990, if Preston Manning had said the West wants out. Right. Rather than the West

00:23:01.400 wants in. Right. We would now have had, either we would have had separation already, or we would

00:23:08.100 at least have a very strong independent movement in Alberta. And I think we could get Saskatchewan

00:23:16.160 to go with us. Oh yeah. Now I remember you and I a long time ago when we were both much younger

00:23:20.960 and not involved in what we're doing now, talking about whether or not we would want Saskatchewan

00:23:28.480 because it was leftist and it was who were, I take Saskatchewan in a heartbeat now. It's,

00:23:35.040 it's very much like Alberta, culturally, politically. And so, and it has higher,

00:23:40.840 it has higher percentages of independent movement or independent support than Alberta does. Alberta,

00:23:50.600 because Alberta is well off, reasonably well off, it's, it's a little bit harder to move that needle 0.99

00:23:57.720 over to separation because are we going to mess up what we've got if we push too hard on it? But I think

00:24:05.560 even if it never comes to much of anything, it's good that there is this talk every once in a while,

00:24:13.080 because people in Ottawa are going to have to pay attention. Or I think what will happen,

00:24:17.800 like so in Quebec says, oh, we're going to hold another referendum. And everybody from Ottawa runs

00:24:23.640 over and says, oh, please, please don't do that. What can we give you? Here, here are buckets and

00:24:27.720 buckets and buckets of goodies that we're going to give you. Here's a truck. We'll just back the truck up and

00:24:32.120 give you more goodies. Yeah. I don't think they would do that with Alberta. No. Oh,

00:24:36.840 the opposite. They would call them traitors. Yes. And here's, but that I think would push the

00:24:41.960 independence movement even further. You know, if anyone, like right now, the separatist movement is

00:24:48.520 led by people who have not a lot of authority, not a lot of status to not household names. They're

00:24:56.600 well-meaning folks. Some of them are a little rough around the edges. Um, I do not believe that

00:25:03.000 they are the kind of leaders like Preston Manning who could transform things. But I think that whoever

00:25:09.480 were to step out, like they went after Preston Manning when he started the West wants in reform

00:25:14.760 party, they called him racist. They call them all those things. Any, the way they would go after

00:25:20.680 anyone of credibility, they would destroy them because think about what an existential threat,

00:25:25.880 you mentioned if Alberta's gone, would Saskatchewan, well, it would be a domino effect. And would the 0.66

00:25:31.160 North come and really would BC remain cut off and would the rest of Canada, like it would, it would be 0.85

00:25:38.280 a domino effect of, of redoing Confederation. And by the way, by the end of it, you might actually see

00:25:46.280 a 51st and 52nd and 53rd state. I don't know. It would be, Alberta would be a battleground

00:25:53.000 for Albertans, but you would see all the deep state, all the media, all the, every single

00:25:59.400 establishment institution in the country come to destroy whoever called for separatism.

00:26:05.240 But you would also see under the radar, other global forces that want Alberta dislodged. It would,

00:26:12.600 Alberta would be a global information battle battleground.

00:26:18.840 Yeah. Go ahead.

00:26:20.200 Take a look in Quebec. Quebec had soft sovereignty for, well, probably since the Lesage government in

00:26:28.440 the mid 60s. But as soon as they got René Levesque, who had a profile, who had been a Lesage minister,

00:26:36.520 who was an articulate speaker, who was prepared to put himself out there as the head of a, of a

00:26:44.120 sovereign test or a separatist movement, they won an election. And, you know, it might start in, in

00:26:52.760 Alberta, it might start with one MLA. You might have a, it might be another Kessler, you know, you might,

00:26:59.080 you might have that. You might end up with six. You remember that Peter Lougheed's conservative

00:27:05.960 government that was in charge for 44 years, started off as an opposition of six.

00:27:12.760 Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Well, these are heavy things. And, uh, we'll find out in less than two weeks,

00:27:20.840 Lauren. It's great to catch up with you. Thanks for spending so much time with us.

00:27:23.320 Likewise.

00:27:24.040 Right on. Lauren Gunter, senior columnist, Edmonton Sun. That's our show for today.

00:27:28.680 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home,

00:27:33.800 good night. And keep fighting for freedom.

00:27:43.800 Right now, Mark Carney is a Prime Minister of Canada, but how well do Canadians really know the man that

00:27:49.400 just took the top job? He wasn't elected in a traditional way. He didn't rise through Parliament

00:27:54.920 with a strong voter base. He was handpicked, a global banker turned climate czar turned political leader.

00:28:01.880 A man groomed by the world's financial elite, now leading a country he spent years governing from

00:28:07.240 behind the scenes. Carney was the governor of the Bank of Canada, then the Bank of England,

00:28:12.680 and a star at the World Economic Forum. The kind of guy you see at a Bilderberg meeting,

00:28:17.320 not your local town hall. And here's what no one in the mainstream media is talking about.

00:28:23.160 Mark Carney has a association with Ghislaine Maxwell, a convicted sex trafficker. Jeffrey Epstein's right

00:28:29.960 hand. And with the federal election coming up in a few weeks, we're asking Canadians today a simple

00:28:35.160 question. Do you know who Mark Carney is? And do you know who he really is? What about those kids on

00:28:43.240 Epstein Island? Mark Carney, what about the kids on Epstein Island? Canada wants to know. Do you guys know

00:28:49.800 who this gentleman is? Not at all. Nope. He's a current Prime Minister of Canada. You do. Is that Mark

00:28:58.040 Carney? The Liberal Prime Minister, right? Yes, correct. Yes.

00:29:01.160 Party fellow. Tyrant. Fire boy. Awesome. Do you happen to know who this... Sorry, I don't...

00:29:08.440 No, no. Down, Sanjay. I don't go for those. Oh, no. You're a brand of evil. Actually, I don't know him,

00:29:15.800 but I don't like him anyways. Because he's liberal. I'm not entirely certain about him, other than I know

00:29:21.960 he's got a history with Big Bang King. Vigilous. He's better than anything else I've got. How many kids

00:29:28.440 didn't even ask Jeffrey Epstein? In our elite... Honestly, honestly, honestly...

00:29:42.360 This is the... This is the... This is the product of the division politics.

00:29:49.720 And you happen to know that he has an association with Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficker,

00:30:09.160 Ghislaine Maxwell? No, I didn't.

00:30:11.720 I haven't heard about them. I've heard of Epstein though. Did not know that. No.

00:30:15.880 I don't... No? No worries. Yeah, I definitely like that guy anyways.

00:30:20.200 I guess I saw those pictures and I saw the footage both of one man and another lady at two different

00:30:26.760 get-togethers asking Carney about the situation right in public. I thought it was

00:30:31.560 good to put him on the spot. He is not. This is false information.

00:30:36.120 You guys are sick. This is an image of them together and... You should be embarrassed.

00:30:43.160 The left is so far gone, they're denying the simple picture a fact. Yes, so Ghislaine Maxwell here,

00:30:50.760 this is one of his accomplices and she actually got arrested in the United States.

00:30:54.840 She was a recruiter, wasn't she? Correct, right. And this is Mark Carney and this is Mark Carney's wife.

00:31:00.280 Do you have any sort of concern for this association? I would be, yeah. It's good to know.

00:31:08.280 Yeah, I know the connotations of it, that's for sure. Yeah, I got no comment on this.

00:31:13.640 What's your basis for believing that it's continuing to go on?

00:31:16.360 This image that was taken only a few years ago. Okay, now she's in jail. Yes, this was before, yes.

00:31:23.720 Okay. But after the whole scandal with Prince Andrew came out, Mark Carney still attended one

00:31:30.680 of the events at the Buckingham Palace. With the prince? With the prince, who was also

00:31:37.800 in trouble for being associated with Jeffrey Epstein and all the sex trafficking business.

00:31:42.440 So I would regard that as a lapse of judgment. The man was suspected or known to be a sexual offender.

00:31:49.240 He was the former governor of the Bank of Canada, the Bank of England. It would have been a lapse of

00:31:58.040 judgment for him to maintain an association with someone who was convicted or suspected of being

00:32:03.320 a sexual predator. I've seen that one rally or whatever, and they're like, oh, how many kids did

00:32:10.360 you touch Epstein? And he laughed like he was a big joke. Like, how did these guys get away with this crap?

00:32:19.240 That is a face of concern. Because...

00:32:22.520 How did this story do you want to get into the jail or don't have to do it?

00:32:24.840 Come on. Come on. Come on. And we announced a series of measures

00:32:31.400 with respect to online harm and other factors. And one of the observations we had,

00:32:37.640 one of the issues we're dealing with, one of them is with respect to really just the sea of

00:32:43.560 misogyny, anti-Semitism, hatred, conspiracy theories, this sort of pollution that's online,

00:32:54.120 that washes over our virtual borders from the United States. And that's a mild version of that.

00:33:02.840 That's fine. I can take the conspiracy theory and all that. But those more serious things is when it

00:33:08.760 affects how people behave. Do you have any concern that someone who's leading our country has such

00:33:15.240 associations? I don't think I would want somebody to lead the country that had those affiliations,

00:33:20.120 you know? There's more concerns than that. There's lots of connections people don't want to talk about,

00:33:24.280 but I'm sure over the next couple of weeks, a lot of information is going to come out.

00:33:30.200 I'd like to be a firm believer that this man will not be leading our country.

00:33:33.880 For all those who can see that this is clearly a problem, you can get your prescription glasses

00:33:39.880 right here. I don't think that's any of my business, actually. I mean, I think that if he,

00:33:49.800 I mean, we've all made mistakes. And I think that if, I think that maybe high profile people should

00:33:59.960 maybe, maybe watch a little bit more. I think it's tough to speak in a topic when you're not

00:34:06.520 informed about it. And there's always two different perspectives. So I think until I feel

00:34:10.120 like I'm educated on the topic, then no. The question then reduces to what? Would I trust

00:34:15.160 him because he's had an association with her? Yes. You know, candidly, to make a reasoned judgment,

00:34:24.680 I'd have to know more detail about the extent and the duration of that association.

00:34:30.680 Yes. It's a little concerned, but I'm not a big liberal fan in the first place. Yeah.

00:34:35.480 So, kind of hoping that we won't have an association this year with the election coming up.

00:34:42.680 I think he's a piece of shit. Am I allowed to say that? Absolutely.

00:34:47.080 If he gets voted in, I'm out of here, leaving the country.

00:34:50.360 Uh-huh. Is this the actual rebel news? Yes. This is the real news? Yes.

00:34:54.120 Well, I'm certainly not in support of anything to do with Mark Carney or the Liberals. Yeah,

00:34:59.880 he's a globalist. He's not for our country. He's got nothing to do with our country. He,

00:35:04.120 he didn't get the title, uh, they used 14 year olds and, and, uh, from what I hear anyway,

00:35:09.320 14 year olds and, uh, and people probably weren't even Canadians in the Liberal Party to vote him into

00:35:14.280 his position. So he's not, he's not a Canadian. He's never professed to be a Canadian. He's

00:35:19.000 always, uh, said that the World Economic Forum, he said he was a, he thought he was a European

00:35:23.720 and he hasn't lived here for what, nine years or however many years. So yeah. And all his money's

00:35:28.840 going, uh, south, not, not to help Canada. And he, all the things he wouldn't want us to do,

00:35:33.720 he's doing with his money. So he's a globalist and he loves the Chinese. He's a 2.0 Trudeau.

00:35:39.080 What would you say to those who might say, this is, this is nothing. You know,

00:35:42.920 this is just a picture. It doesn't mean anything. What would you say to them?

00:35:48.040 That's people who aren't informed about who these people really are. If anybody who thinks

00:35:55.160 that all this, uh, sex trafficking and drug trafficking is the little guy, it's not.

00:36:03.960 I think they have to give themselves a check and see. Not a good idea. I would say that there's a

00:36:11.240 whole bunch of things that are adding up. Uh, not only what you're talking about, but, uh, um,

00:36:18.440 a number of different things that I would question his integrity over. Democracy means that everybody

00:36:24.760 has a right to choose who they like, uh, whether they've, whether they're been filmed with other

00:36:31.560 people or not. If you want to stay updated with all of our election coverage and make sure to head on

00:36:35.960 to campaign at 2025.com. And while you're at it, head to rebel news store.com and pick up one of our

00:36:43.240 amazing rebel news hoodies. As always stay strong and stay free for rebel news. I'm Angelica toy.

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