EZRA LEVANT ｜ Carney returns empty-handed from critical Trump trade meeting
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Donald Trump and Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney had a 33-minute press conference in the Oval Office, and it was a lot of fun to watch. But there were some things about it that weren't so good, including the fact that Trump said that Canada should never join the U.S. again.
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Hello, my friends. I finally went through the 33-minute press conference that Mark Carney
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and Donald Trump had together, and there's some very interesting moments and some very bad news
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coming. I have to say, I'm a little bit depressed for our friends in Ontario in the auto sector.
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Trump and his Commerce Secretary, Lutnik, could not be clearer. They want to move it to America.
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I think they mean it. Anyways, I'll take you through it. This is one of those times where I
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really think having the video version of this podcast is helpful so you can see the body
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language and the facial expressions of Mark Carney and Donald Trump talking with each other.
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Tonight, Mark Carney came back from Washington, D.C., but did he come back empty-handed? It's October
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So much going on in the world. I've only today been able to go through the entire
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33-minute scrum between Donald Trump, Mark Carney, and the press gallery in the Oval Office. Now,
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a lot of the questions had to do with American issues, including the shutdown of government and
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the sort of brinksmanship between the Republicans and Democrats, and that's interesting enough,
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but that's not really of interest to us. For us, it's Mark Carney going to Washington for,
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I don't know, second, third time, I don't know exactly how many, and yet again, coming back without
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a trade deal at all. Mark Carney has been Prime Minister for about 210 days, and I'm not sure what
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he can point to in any sphere, not just with the United States, but anywhere around the world. What
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has he done? What I'd like to show you is some excerpts from the 33-minute conference, because
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I think there's some interesting moments I'd like to share. Let's start with Trump's opening comments.
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He's a flatterer in his own way. I think Donald Trump likes being flattered. I mean, I suppose we
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all do, but he's also a flatterer who sometimes is effusive in his praise, even for people that I'm
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not sure if he quite earned it. Trump's opening comments, I don't think he's actually being paying
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that much attention to Canada, and I don't say that to denigrate Canada, I'm a Canadian,
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but there's so many enormously important things that Trump has been working on, from the Hamas-Israel
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peace deal, to the attempt to get peace between Russia and Ukraine, to reviving the U.S. military,
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to, you know, trying to renegotiate NATO. I mean, I could just think of so many enormous
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things, and I don't think that meeting with Mark Carney is in the top 20 of them. Here,
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Well, thank you very much, everybody. It's an honor to have the Prime Minister of Canada,
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Mark Carney, who I have made very popular. He's an extremely popular Prime Minister, and
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I'm very honored to do it, because I liked him. Right from the beginning, I've liked him,
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and we've had a good relationship. We have some natural conflict, but we will probably work that
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out. But we've had a very strong relationship, and your hosting of the various countries that
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showed up, that was a beautiful job you did, and I appreciate it very much.
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Trump said he made Mark Carney very popular. I suppose there's a bit of truth to it. That's
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a recognition of him essentially nuking Pierre Polyev and the conservatives by shaking the
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tree about the 51st state, something that I think is very unlikely to happen, but just
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by saying it made a sort of resurgent, sort of a dark patriotism. I mean, I suppose saying
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never join the U.S. is a form of patriotism, but it's not a positive form of patriotism.
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It's a reaction to a trumped-up threat from the U.S. I think Donald Trump there was acknowledging
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that he is why Mark Carney is prime minister. I think there's truth to it. Now, Mark Carney
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jumps in. He knows what he's doing. He butters up Trump. What a difference, though, between how
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Mark Carney talks in the Oval Office, where he's submissive, obedient, and full of lavish praise,
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compared to on the campaign trail. I like to say that one measurement of character is if you
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act the same way in public as in private, and it's tough to do because we have different facets to
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our personalities. But the way that Mark Carney absolutely despises and attacks Trump pretty
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much anywhere in Canada, especially when he's talking to the regime media, versus just absolute
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sucking up here is quite something. So here, take a look at Mark Carney's response.
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But in the meantime, we'll spend some time, and we'll make some deals, and we'll do some things
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that are good for both of our countries. And Mark, it's an honor to have you. Thank you very much.
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Thank you very much, Mr. President. If I may, you kindly hosted me and some of my colleagues
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a few months ago, and I said at the time, you are a transformative president. And since then,
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the transformation in the economy, unprecedented commitments of NATO partners to defense spending,
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peace from India, Pakistan through to Azerbaijan, Armenia, disabling Iran as a force of terror.
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And now, and I'm running out of time, but this is, in many respects, the most important.
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I would, no, but I, you know, on this, on this solemn day of commemoration of the October 7th,
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For the first time in decades, hundreds of years, thousands of years, this prospect of peace that
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you've made possible, Canada stands foursquare behind those efforts, and we'll do whatever we
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Well, the one thing that stood out to me was that Mark Carney is so eager to help with Gaza.
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First of all, no, you're not. What does Canada possibly have to offer? I suppose you could throw
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more free money at it, but maybe that's going to stop now that Hamas is removed there. I think
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Mark Carney liked funding Hamas a little bit less, more skeptical that he would fund a
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reconstruction. But the main point is that Mark Carney was willing to give Hamas a diplomatic
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and political victory by recognizing them when they were in control of Gaza, before they had
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disarmed, before they had a ceasefire, before they released the hostages, before they agreed
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in any form to democratic reforms. Mark Carney gave them the win and strengthened them along
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with the UK, France, and Australia. In very concrete terms, Mark Carney made it more difficult
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to get this deal done because he was giving strength to Hamas. If you can believe it, Qatar and Turkey
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and Egypt were more helpful to Donald Trump than Canada. And you'll notice that when Trump talks
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about the countries that helped him get the peace deal, he lists Qatar and Israel first. He lists other
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Muslim countries. He does not list Canada. That's not an accident. Here's a question by a Canadian
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reporter. If things are so great, why is there no agreement, no trade agreement?
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In your opinion, why has Canada and the United States failed to reach an agreement up until now?
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Well, it's a complicated agreement, more complicated maybe than any other agreement we have on trade,
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because, you know, we have natural conflict. We also have mutual love. You know, we have great
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love for each other. I love this. I love Canada and the people of Canada. And Mark feels the same
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way about here. The problem we have is that they want a car company and I want a car company,
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meaning the U.S. wants a car company and they want steel and we want steel. And, you know, so
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in other countries, they're very far away and there's no problem. You can compete and you can
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do. We don't like to compete because we sort of hurt each other when we compete. And so we have a
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natural conflict. It's a natural business conflict, nothing wrong with it. And I think we've come a long
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way over the last few months, actually, in terms of that relationship. So when it comes to trade,
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the United States was always giving everything. They gave everything to Canada. They would,
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they would, you know, let car companies leave here and go to Canada. But that hurts the United States.
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And, you know, other presidents didn't see that. They weren't business oriented. They might have been
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good politicians in some cases, not in all cases. They were bad at both. But, uh, it's, it's a very
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natural conflict and it's something that we're working out. I think Trump is actually pretty honest
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here. There may be mutual love, but there is a natural conflict from competitors. I mean, if you're
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buying a car made in Canada, that's a car you're not buying from the United States. Same thing with
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steel. Trump couldn't be clear. There's no need to have a special Trump whisperer to decode things.
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Although I just keep laughing when the Canadian embassy in Washington keeps hiring these super
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sophisticated, you know, Republican whispers. What does Trump really mean? Well, he means he wants to
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move our auto industry down to the States. Of course he does. There's no electoral college votes for him
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in Ontario and Quebec, but there are in places like Michigan and Ohio.
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Trump says the U S gave everything to Canada. And of course we don't like to hear that, but it is
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true that we have more access to the U S market than anyone else in the world. And Trump is here to
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say, you have to pay a toll for that. Here's the next question about compromises. Is there any
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We have offered a lot of compromise this summer. Are you willing today to offer some compromise to
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Canada, maybe on steel and anything else? Well, we've made compromise and we, uh, we've made some
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compromise even on steel, but you know, we have the same basic, uh, authority and the same, uh, basic,
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this could be also a little bit of a conflict with other countries all over the world on steel
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because we want to make our own steel. We don't want to bring steel in for the most part,
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but we will bring it in and we do bring it in. We continue to bring it in from Canada, but there is
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a tariff to pay. And I think that would be a normal thing to say, but we we've come a long way. I
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think Howard, we can truly say, do you want to make a comment on that? Well, I think the opportunity
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we work together, but as you said, there's conflict. You know, why do we make cars in Canada? You've called
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that out and you've addressed that. So there are places we should work together. There are places that
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have natural comfort. It's a tough situation because we want to make our cars here. At the
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same time, we want Canada to do well making cars. So, uh, we're working on formulas and I think we'll
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get there. Very interesting answer from Trump. We already have compromised. And, uh, I think Howard
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Lutnick, the, uh, commerce secretary, who's in many ways, if you can believe it, more blunt than Trump
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says, why do we make cars in Canada? Well, there's historical reasons for that. There's
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friendship reasons for that. There's diplomatic reasons for that. But in Trump world, those
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reasons are no longer valid. They're obsolete. Um, I think that's terrifying for Canada.
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The auto industry isn't what it once was. So many Canadian cars are imported. Uh, and maybe we were
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foolish to allow Japanese and Korean imports in as easily as we did. But, um, you know, the oil and gas
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industry is by far a larger exporter to the States, but tens of billions of dollars worth of cars are
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sold into America every year and thousands of jobs in Ontario and Quebec. I don't know, maybe, I don't
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know, just wild guess here. Maybe, um, Doug Ford's rants and insults aren't working. I don't know. I could be
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wrong. Uh, uh, there's another question put by a reporter and I'm not sure if it's factually true,
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but I'll play it for you anyways. The allegation that Canadians are not traveling to the U S now,
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I suppose that can be objectively measured, but the imputation is that that's because Canadians are mad
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at the United States, which that's the part I take issue with. Are they mad or are they reacting to
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the fact that our economy is in recession on a per capita basis, that our dollar is extremely weak
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is the slowdown of Canadians visiting the States because they're getting back at Trump. Does anyone
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actually think that way when they say, let's go to Disneyland? No, I don't like Trump. Let's go to
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Florida this winter. No, I don't like Trump. Let's go across the border to do some shopping in Washington
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state or New York or Pennsylvania. No, I don't like Trump. I simply don't believe that normal Canadians
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do a political analysis before deciding where to go in the RV. I think it's a financial analysis.
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Canadians are refusing to go to the U S and the numbers are down like 23%, uh, in the first seven months
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of the year. What do you say to Canadians that don't want to go to the U S now because of your 50
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first state talk because of the trade war, the tariffs? Yeah. Well, I understand that. Look, I understand
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that. And Americans don't want to buy cars that are made in Canada. You know, I mean, we have the same
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conflict. So there isn't, it's, it's something that, uh, will get worked out. There's still great
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love between the two countries, but, uh, you know, American people want product here. They want to
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make it here. Uh, Detroit was emptied out and moved to Canada and moved to Mexico, moved to other places,
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not just Canada. And, uh, now they're all moving back. You know, they're moving back. We have right
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now, it's just telling Mark, we have 17 trillion, but it's going to, it's really much higher. That
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was as of a couple of months ago, we have, uh, over $17 trillion being invested now in the United
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States. As an example, Biden in, he was the worst president we've ever had, but they had less than
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1 trillion in four years. We have more than 17 trillion in eight months, eight months. And I
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think that number is going to be 21, 22 trillion dollars. Uh, there's never been anything like that
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in the history of the world for any country, not even close. You know, if you did 1 trillion in a
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year, that's pretty good. We're going to do over 20 and it's coming in with AI. It's coming in with
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auto plants. You know, we're building auto plants, a lot of auto plants in the U S it's coming in for a lot
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of reasons. It's coming in because of the fact, I think the November 5th election was a big factor.
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And I think the tariffs are a big factor. And, uh, again, we want Canada to do great, but you know,
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there's a point at which we also want the same business. We're competing for the same business.
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That's the problem. That's why I keep mentioning one way to solve that problem is a very easy way,
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but we're competing for the same business. He wants to make cars. We want to make cars.
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And we're in competition. And the advantage we have is we have this massive market.
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So it's a, you know, it's quite an advantage. But the answer of course, is an Americans says Trump
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don't want to buy cars made in Canada. I find that a terrifying thing to hear,
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but to Doug Ford, uh, has no idea on what to do with it. Trump says $17 trillion
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has been invested in the United States by other countries. And Mark Carney in his own way suggested
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that, well, Canada would invest $1 trillion. I'm not sure who he's speaking for. He's no authority
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to say that, but even if that's true, how is that in Canada's interest? If you're, if you're promising
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to invest $1 trillion in the United States over which you have no control, you're just a prime
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minister. You're not an investor anymore. Um, how is that a win for Canada? Aren't you getting
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anything in return for that? Trump says we're competing for the same business. That's what
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he cares about. And yeah, there's another question from the press corps. I'm skipping the questions
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about Democrat, Republican squabbling. There's another question from the press corps. Why can't
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Canada do a deal? It's a pretty good question to ask the author of the art of the deal.
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You know, how come the UK and the European Union have succeeded to sign deals and bring
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the tariffs down and Canada still hasn't been able to do the same? Yeah, because they're not
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located right next to each other. It, you know, it makes it, uh, in many cases, it's much better
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and easier. But yeah, if I, if I may, let's, uh, let's be clear about the relationship as it stands
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right now. We are the second largest trading partner of the United States. We do a lot of trade
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going across the border where we're cooperating first thing. Secondly, we are the largest foreign
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investor in the United States, half a trillion dollars in the last five years alone, probably
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a trillion dollars in the next five years. If we get, uh, the agreement that we expect to get
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thirdly, there are areas as the president just said, where we, I wouldn't conflict, maybe not so
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much conflict. We compete. There are areas where we compete and it's in those areas where we have to
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come to, uh, an agreement that works, but there are more areas where we are stronger together.
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And that's what we're focused on. And we're going to get the right deal, right deal for America,
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right deal, obviously from my perspective, for Canada. It's a pretty pitiful answer from Mark
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Carney after 210 days to say, well, we don't need a deal. We've got a great deal right now,
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even without it. And it is true that Canada has really the most favorite access to the American
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market. You could imagine it is true, but that was all done before Mark Carney returned from Europe
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to rule over us that none of that is to his credit. I don't know if you saw the images of
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cabinet ministers taking selfies from the private jet on down to meet with, it was a very embarrassing
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to me to see the Canadian delegation. I mean, what's, uh, you know, Melanie Jolie doing down there.
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What's, um, an and the foreign minister doing down there. I mean, really the B team, the C team.
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Um, I think they just love flying on the private jets. Here's another question, which I thought was
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interesting or another reference rather to the golden dome. And that's what, uh, Trump is calling
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the American version of the iron dome defense system. Um, here, take a look.
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So one thing where we are working very closely is the golden dome. That's the protective
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mechanism. And you see how that works. It's unbelievable. The, uh, you know, Ronald Reagan
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wanted to have it. And at that time they didn't have the technology at even close to the technology,
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but he was, he was advanced, uh, and we'll be working together on a golden dome for the two
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countries. And, uh, it's something that I think is going to be very important, especially when you
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look at the world, you look at what's happening. We want to have, we want to have that protection.
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It's really amazing. The technology is unbelievable. Well, I'm glad to hear that Canada isn't foolish
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enough to say, no, we don't want American military protection because if that were the case, we would
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have no protection whatsoever. Uh, whether it's the Chinese spy balloon or questionable airplanes,
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it's American fighter jets that scramble, not Canadians. I don't even know how many CF 18 jets
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are able to be airworthy and ready to fly on any given day. I, I just, I think that the number is
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probably single digits. So I'm glad that Canada isn't being stupid and anti-American here,
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but the obvious question to me is who's going to pay for it and how?
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Will Canada be leaving empty handed or will Canada be leaving? Will Mr. Carnegie
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leaving Washington with a deal on terror? I think they're going to be very happy. We have a lot of
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things that we're working on that people don't talk about. They talk about, uh, uh, you know,
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competitive. She's a very competitive person and, uh, they talk about things that we don't
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necessarily agree on, but I think they're going to walk away very happy. I think so.
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There's another question about a minimum tariff. Here's the answer to that.
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The deals that you've signed, there's been a minimum tariff that countries have got.
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When USMCA gets renegotiated, do you want a minimum tariff on goods between Canada and the US?
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Well, we're going to have tariffs between Canada and, you know, they have them with us.
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Uh, I will say with our farmers, as you know, they, they went up to as much as 400%,
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250, 300, and even one at 401. We found one having to do with a very small product,
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but it was, it was high. So we've had, so, you know, we've always had tariffs between the two of
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us. And actually Canada was charging us very high tariffs on our agricultural things, a lot of our
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agricultural product. And that's one of the things that we talk about for bringing that down.
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So, you know, this is a mutual thing, but, uh, we've been charged, uh, tariffs. Look,
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we're the king of being screwed by tariffs, just so you understand. And I'm not talking about with
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Canada. I'm talking about with countries all over the world.
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So Trump is saying he will have agricultural tariffs. That's code for the dairy industry right
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now. Uh, the beef industry really has no tariffs, but cheese and milk and poultry does. And that
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benefits of course, the Quebec dairy farmers. Um, I guess the question is how high a price is Mark
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Carney willing to pay or rather to have the rest of Canada pay to preserve Quebec dairy farmers,
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getting massive premiums for their products. That's an irritant for Trump. It wasn't his first
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term. How many auto industry jobs is Mark Carney willing to sacrifice to keep Quebec dairy farmers
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in a privileged position? My favorite moment was when Trump went on a bit of a tear against his,
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um, I don't know, his favorite things, his pet peeves. Take a look at this.
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We have some advantages over other countries and we do have a great market. We have an amazing
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market, but you know what? If I let this go, if, if we didn't win this election, if we had these
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people that were running, that were ruining our country, destroying our country with their open
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borders and men playing in women's sports and transgender from everybody and windmills all over
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the place. If we allowed that to go on for another couple of years, we would be, I don't, I'm not sure
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Windmills and transgenderism. I mean, maybe Donald Trump didn't know what he was saying there, but
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I'm guessing he did because of course, Mark Carney's central issue for a decade has been windmills. He was
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the head of the global financial alliance for net zero, all about green energy. He was a sustainability
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ambassador for the United Nations. His whole raison d'etre was getting people off fossil fuels and onto
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green schemes like wind turbines. And I don't know if you know this, I haven't made a big fuss about it
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because I think it's a private matter generally, but it is relevant that Mark Carney's own child is a
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transgender child who has transitioned. And I don't know if it's just a coincidence that Trump chose
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to poke at that, but he did. And Mark Carney kept a straight face. Um, here's a clip, uh,
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indicating one more time that they will include dairy in their tariffs. Take a look.
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President, will you sign a trade deal with Canada that doesn't include, uh, supply managed goods like
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dairy, for example? Uh, the federal government. Well, a deal would include dairy. I mean,
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it's going to include everything. We'll, we'll do a comprehension. Well, I have to say this about
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Donald Trump. He's pretty candid. I mean, you know where you stand with him. He's going to flatter
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you. That's the BS part. But when he says things like we're coming for dairy or why are we buying
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your cars? I think it's wise to take him seriously. And I find that terrifying for Ontario's auto
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industry and some autos in Quebec. Um, here's Trump in butter you up mode where he says he thinks
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Mark Carney's a great prime minister. Take a look. I think he's a great prime minister. I mean,
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he could represent me anytime. I will tell you, you know, I'm not saying that because he is a very
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strong, very good leader. He's a, he's a nice man, but he could be nasty. He could be very nasty.
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Maybe as nasty as everybody. Uh, I think, I think the candidates, let me put it this way. I can tell you
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this because I deal with lots of leaders all over the world. Uh, he is, uh, he's a world class
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leader. He's a man that knows what he wants. And, uh, I'm not surprised to see that he won the
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election and won it substantially. And I would think he's more popular now. He's a good man.
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He does a great job, but he's a tough negotiator. Does he really think Mark Carney's a great prime
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minister? I don't think he knows anything about how Mark Carney does. I don't think he spent a minute
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thinking about it. Uh, he's working on a few other things right now when he says Mark Carney could
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represent me. I think that's an outright fib. I think Mark Carney has shown what a poor negotiator
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he is. He doesn't have a deal after 210 days saying that he is a very strong, nice man who can be nasty.
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It's a funny, it's that's a Trump compliment, but I just don't think it's true that Mark Carney
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is very strong calling him a world class leader who knows what he wants and won substantially.
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He didn't win substantially going from memory. It was about two percentage points,
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a world class leader. Tell me anyone in the world who follows Mark Carney. Tell me anyone in the world
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other than Hamas who says, I'm really curious in Mark Carney's take on things. I just don't think
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it happens. Um, what's interesting also is that what there were no questions about in the past,
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there have been questions in the Oval Office about censorship. When the UK Prime Minister
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Keir Starmer visited the Oval Office, questions were put about the online safety act. That's what
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it's called in the UK. Well, as you know, Stephen Gilboa recently said he's going to revive the online
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harms act as it's called in Canada. And that is, uh, now policy of Mark Carney. Uh, no one raised that.
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I sort of wish they would, but really what's the odds that a regime journalist from Canada is going to
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ask about censorship. They support it. I saw this headline in the CTV news because while I think
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it was actually yesterday. So two days ago, Lutnik was in the Oval Office yesterday. I think it was
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Lutnik. That's the commerce secretary again. Let me read the headline from CTV. Lutnik dismisses
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any prospect of auto deal between us and Canada. And they say, says sources. Well, the sources is he gave
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a speech in Toronto. I don't think it was caught on tape, strangely, but there were a lot of people
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there, including Doug Ford. And here's what he had to say. I heard that. And, uh, it's very clear.
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We want to manufacture automobiles here. I would say it's a massive threat when you have the secretary
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of commerce coming out and saying that, and the president, you'd only say it if the president
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gave him the green light. So we, we have to be prepared and the auto sector needs to be prepared.
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Not only are good, uh, uniform members, but also the prime minister. Uh, my first question,
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what are you going to do to protect the auto sector here in Ontario? Yeah, not so insulting now.
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Look, uh, losing the U S market for the Canadian auto industry is going to be an economic disaster.
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And it would be as disastrous for that province as shutting down the oil sands exports would be for
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Canada, which makes you wonder why Mark Carney has been so avoidant of building new markets for
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Western oil. But this really is a existential threat to Ontario. Not that the auto industry
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is as large, either in absolute or relative terms, but it's such an important source of
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good jobs in Canada. And it's pretty clear that Trump wants to move those factories to Ohio,
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Pennsylvania, Michigan. I mean, he's been saying it even since his first term. And what is,
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what does Doug Ford have to say in return? I, I think his insults aren't really working,
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but what is he going to do? Literally what can Canada do? I don't know. Insulting Trump seems
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to be the choice. I'm not happy about it, but it's coming. And by the way, Doug Ford and Mark Carney
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are joined at the hip. They say that Mark Carney raised a surprising issue with Trump, which if
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it's true, I like the sounds of it. They say that Mark Carney raised the prospect of reviving
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the Keystone XL pipeline. Now that's a pipeline that would take 800,000 barrels of oil a day
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from Alberta and Saskatchewan into the US, displacing OPEC conflict oil. And this is a great idea.
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Trump approved this in his last mandate, but it was killed on day one by Joe Biden. So opening it up
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again would be great for both countries. It should be a no brainer. And it's sort of surprising that
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it took 200 days for Carney to mention it. But I saw in the news that the company that owns the
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the proposed Keystone XL pipeline, they say, yeah, they're happy to hear it, but they knew nothing
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about this proposal. Let me say that again. Mark Carney, maybe he just popped into his head.
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But after 210 days, as the guy who knows how to handle Trump, it pops into his head at the last
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minute. And he didn't even talk to the company itself. Well, listen, I hope it actually works.
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And maybe buying Canadian oil will somehow please Trump in a way that might make him save Canada's
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car industry. But I wouldn't bet on him. Hey, can you tell me in 210 days as prime minister,
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can you tell me one single thing that Mark Carney has actually achieved?
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Well, that's our show for the day. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World
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Headquarters, see you at home. Good night and keep fighting for freedom.