Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Carney returns empty-handed from critical Trump trade meeting

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I finally went through the 33-minute press conference that Mark Carney

00:00:04.500 and Donald Trump had together, and there's some very interesting moments and some very bad news

00:00:09.400 coming. I have to say, I'm a little bit depressed for our friends in Ontario in the auto sector.

00:00:14.300 Trump and his Commerce Secretary, Lutnik, could not be clearer. They want to move it to America.

00:00:19.580 I think they mean it. Anyways, I'll take you through it. This is one of those times where I

00:00:23.740 really think having the video version of this podcast is helpful so you can see the body

00:00:29.540 language and the facial expressions of Mark Carney and Donald Trump talking with each other.

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00:00:44.060 the government, and it shows.

00:00:59.540 Tonight, Mark Carney came back from Washington, D.C., but did he come back empty-handed? It's October

00:01:05.680 9th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:08.060 You're ready for freedom!

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00:01:14.160 So much going on in the world. I've only today been able to go through the entire 0.71

00:01:27.760 33-minute scrum between Donald Trump, Mark Carney, and the press gallery in the Oval Office. Now,

00:01:34.840 a lot of the questions had to do with American issues, including the shutdown of government and

00:01:40.300 the sort of brinksmanship between the Republicans and Democrats, and that's interesting enough,

00:01:44.660 but that's not really of interest to us. For us, it's Mark Carney going to Washington for,

00:01:50.900 I don't know, second, third time, I don't know exactly how many, and yet again, coming back without

00:01:56.360 a trade deal at all. Mark Carney has been Prime Minister for about 210 days, and I'm not sure what

00:02:04.440 he can point to in any sphere, not just with the United States, but anywhere around the world. What

00:02:09.060 has he done? What I'd like to show you is some excerpts from the 33-minute conference, because

00:02:16.060 I think there's some interesting moments I'd like to share. Let's start with Trump's opening comments.

00:02:23.620 He's a flatterer in his own way. I think Donald Trump likes being flattered. I mean, I suppose we

00:02:27.840 all do, but he's also a flatterer who sometimes is effusive in his praise, even for people that I'm

00:02:33.700 not sure if he quite earned it. Trump's opening comments, I don't think he's actually being paying

00:02:39.980 that much attention to Canada, and I don't say that to denigrate Canada, I'm a Canadian,

00:02:45.100 but there's so many enormously important things that Trump has been working on, from the Hamas-Israel

00:02:51.120 peace deal, to the attempt to get peace between Russia and Ukraine, to reviving the U.S. military,

00:02:58.580 to, you know, trying to renegotiate NATO. I mean, I could just think of so many enormous

00:03:05.580 things, and I don't think that meeting with Mark Carney is in the top 20 of them. Here,

00:03:11.980 take a listen.

00:03:12.740 Well, thank you very much, everybody. It's an honor to have the Prime Minister of Canada,

00:03:17.520 Mark Carney, who I have made very popular. He's an extremely popular Prime Minister, and

00:03:24.100 I'm very honored to do it, because I liked him. Right from the beginning, I've liked him,

00:03:27.680 and we've had a good relationship. We have some natural conflict, but we will probably work that

00:03:33.660 out. But we've had a very strong relationship, and your hosting of the various countries that

00:03:39.660 showed up, that was a beautiful job you did, and I appreciate it very much.

00:03:43.620 Trump said he made Mark Carney very popular. I suppose there's a bit of truth to it. That's

00:03:49.580 a recognition of him essentially nuking Pierre Polyev and the conservatives by shaking the

00:03:54.760 tree about the 51st state, something that I think is very unlikely to happen, but just

00:03:59.200 by saying it made a sort of resurgent, sort of a dark patriotism. I mean, I suppose saying

00:04:07.080 never join the U.S. is a form of patriotism, but it's not a positive form of patriotism.

00:04:11.740 It's a reaction to a trumped-up threat from the U.S. I think Donald Trump there was acknowledging

00:04:17.380 that he is why Mark Carney is prime minister. I think there's truth to it. Now, Mark Carney

00:04:22.340 jumps in. He knows what he's doing. He butters up Trump. What a difference, though, between how

00:04:28.580 Mark Carney talks in the Oval Office, where he's submissive, obedient, and full of lavish praise,

00:04:34.160 compared to on the campaign trail. I like to say that one measurement of character is if you

00:04:39.660 act the same way in public as in private, and it's tough to do because we have different facets to

00:04:45.120 our personalities. But the way that Mark Carney absolutely despises and attacks Trump pretty

00:04:51.460 much anywhere in Canada, especially when he's talking to the regime media, versus just absolute 0.90

00:04:56.200 sucking up here is quite something. So here, take a look at Mark Carney's response.

00:05:01.080 But in the meantime, we'll spend some time, and we'll make some deals, and we'll do some things

00:05:06.300 that are good for both of our countries. And Mark, it's an honor to have you. Thank you very much.

00:05:10.220 Thank you very much, Mr. President. If I may, you kindly hosted me and some of my colleagues

00:05:15.560 a few months ago, and I said at the time, you are a transformative president. And since then,

00:05:22.420 the transformation in the economy, unprecedented commitments of NATO partners to defense spending,

00:05:28.560 peace from India, Pakistan through to Azerbaijan, Armenia, disabling Iran as a force of terror. 0.93

00:05:34.720 And now, and I'm running out of time, but this is, in many respects, the most important.

00:05:40.180 The merger of Canada and the United States.

00:05:44.320 That wasn't where I was going.

00:05:46.520 I would, no, but I, you know, on this, on this solemn day of commemoration of the October 7th,

00:05:52.880 horrific attacks of October 7th.

00:05:54.660 For the first time in decades, hundreds of years, thousands of years, this prospect of peace that

00:06:01.300 you've made possible, Canada stands foursquare behind those efforts, and we'll do whatever we

00:06:06.100 can to support that.

00:06:07.420 Thank you very much.

00:06:09.140 Well, the one thing that stood out to me was that Mark Carney is so eager to help with Gaza.

00:06:13.680 First of all, no, you're not. What does Canada possibly have to offer? I suppose you could throw

00:06:19.180 more free money at it, but maybe that's going to stop now that Hamas is removed there. I think

00:06:24.440 Mark Carney liked funding Hamas a little bit less, more skeptical that he would fund a 0.90

00:06:30.920 reconstruction. But the main point is that Mark Carney was willing to give Hamas a diplomatic 0.58

00:06:38.380 and political victory by recognizing them when they were in control of Gaza, before they had

00:06:45.120 disarmed, before they had a ceasefire, before they released the hostages, before they agreed

00:06:50.860 in any form to democratic reforms. Mark Carney gave them the win and strengthened them along

00:06:56.620 with the UK, France, and Australia. In very concrete terms, Mark Carney made it more difficult

00:07:05.540 to get this deal done because he was giving strength to Hamas. If you can believe it, Qatar and Turkey 0.87

00:07:13.240 and Egypt were more helpful to Donald Trump than Canada. And you'll notice that when Trump talks

00:07:19.860 about the countries that helped him get the peace deal, he lists Qatar and Israel first. He lists other

00:07:26.180 Muslim countries. He does not list Canada. That's not an accident. Here's a question by a Canadian 0.81

00:07:32.780 reporter. If things are so great, why is there no agreement, no trade agreement?

00:07:36.880 In your opinion, why has Canada and the United States failed to reach an agreement up until now?

00:07:43.300 Well, it's a complicated agreement, more complicated maybe than any other agreement we have on trade,

00:07:48.740 because, you know, we have natural conflict. We also have mutual love. You know, we have great

00:07:53.900 love for each other. I love this. I love Canada and the people of Canada. And Mark feels the same

00:07:58.960 way about here. The problem we have is that they want a car company and I want a car company,

00:08:05.220 meaning the U.S. wants a car company and they want steel and we want steel. And, you know, so

00:08:11.480 in other countries, they're very far away and there's no problem. You can compete and you can

00:08:18.300 do. We don't like to compete because we sort of hurt each other when we compete. And so we have a

00:08:24.060 natural conflict. It's a natural business conflict, nothing wrong with it. And I think we've come a long

00:08:29.760 way over the last few months, actually, in terms of that relationship. So when it comes to trade,

00:08:36.520 the United States was always giving everything. They gave everything to Canada. They would,

00:08:41.840 they would, you know, let car companies leave here and go to Canada. But that hurts the United States.

00:08:48.400 And, you know, other presidents didn't see that. They weren't business oriented. They might have been

00:08:52.580 good politicians in some cases, not in all cases. They were bad at both. But, uh, it's, it's a very

00:08:59.540 natural conflict and it's something that we're working out. I think Trump is actually pretty honest

00:09:04.120 here. There may be mutual love, but there is a natural conflict from competitors. I mean, if you're

00:09:10.860 buying a car made in Canada, that's a car you're not buying from the United States. Same thing with

00:09:16.620 steel. Trump couldn't be clear. There's no need to have a special Trump whisperer to decode things.

00:09:23.380 Although I just keep laughing when the Canadian embassy in Washington keeps hiring these super

00:09:27.840 sophisticated, you know, Republican whispers. What does Trump really mean? Well, he means he wants to

00:09:33.660 move our auto industry down to the States. Of course he does. There's no electoral college votes for him

00:09:38.860 in Ontario and Quebec, but there are in places like Michigan and Ohio.

00:09:43.480 Trump says the U S gave everything to Canada. And of course we don't like to hear that, but it is

00:09:50.880 true that we have more access to the U S market than anyone else in the world. And Trump is here to

00:09:56.400 say, you have to pay a toll for that. Here's the next question about compromises. Is there any

00:10:03.020 compromise? Take a look?

00:10:04.420 We have offered a lot of compromise this summer. Are you willing today to offer some compromise to

00:10:09.740 Canada, maybe on steel and anything else? Well, we've made compromise and we, uh, we've made some

00:10:14.620 compromise even on steel, but you know, we have the same basic, uh, authority and the same, uh, basic,

00:10:21.180 this could be also a little bit of a conflict with other countries all over the world on steel

00:10:25.480 because we want to make our own steel. We don't want to bring steel in for the most part,

00:10:29.560 but we will bring it in and we do bring it in. We continue to bring it in from Canada, but there is

00:10:34.960 a tariff to pay. And I think that would be a normal thing to say, but we we've come a long way. I

00:10:41.700 think Howard, we can truly say, do you want to make a comment on that? Well, I think the opportunity

00:10:46.300 we work together, but as you said, there's conflict. You know, why do we make cars in Canada? You've called

00:10:53.540 that out and you've addressed that. So there are places we should work together. There are places that

00:10:58.160 have natural comfort. It's a tough situation because we want to make our cars here. At the

00:11:02.980 same time, we want Canada to do well making cars. So, uh, we're working on formulas and I think we'll

00:11:10.840 get there. Very interesting answer from Trump. We already have compromised. And, uh, I think Howard

00:11:17.180 Lutnick, the, uh, commerce secretary, who's in many ways, if you can believe it, more blunt than Trump

00:11:23.920 says, why do we make cars in Canada? Well, there's historical reasons for that. There's

00:11:30.860 friendship reasons for that. There's diplomatic reasons for that. But in Trump world, those

00:11:36.000 reasons are no longer valid. They're obsolete. Um, I think that's terrifying for Canada.

00:11:42.360 The auto industry isn't what it once was. So many Canadian cars are imported. Uh, and maybe we were

00:11:48.660 foolish to allow Japanese and Korean imports in as easily as we did. But, um, you know, the oil and gas

00:11:55.720 industry is by far a larger exporter to the States, but tens of billions of dollars worth of cars are

00:12:01.440 sold into America every year and thousands of jobs in Ontario and Quebec. I don't know, maybe, I don't

00:12:07.000 know, just wild guess here. Maybe, um, Doug Ford's rants and insults aren't working. I don't know. I could be

00:12:12.520 wrong. Uh, uh, there's another question put by a reporter and I'm not sure if it's factually true,

00:12:21.220 but I'll play it for you anyways. The allegation that Canadians are not traveling to the U S now,

00:12:26.520 I suppose that can be objectively measured, but the imputation is that that's because Canadians are mad

00:12:32.320 at the United States, which that's the part I take issue with. Are they mad or are they reacting to

00:12:38.460 the fact that our economy is in recession on a per capita basis, that our dollar is extremely weak

00:12:45.200 is the slowdown of Canadians visiting the States because they're getting back at Trump. Does anyone

00:12:51.600 actually think that way when they say, let's go to Disneyland? No, I don't like Trump. Let's go to

00:12:56.580 Florida this winter. No, I don't like Trump. Let's go across the border to do some shopping in Washington

00:13:02.320 state or New York or Pennsylvania. No, I don't like Trump. I simply don't believe that normal Canadians 1.00

00:13:08.440 do a political analysis before deciding where to go in the RV. I think it's a financial analysis.

00:13:14.500 Canadians are refusing to go to the U S and the numbers are down like 23%, uh, in the first seven months

00:13:20.380 of the year. What do you say to Canadians that don't want to go to the U S now because of your 50

00:13:24.800 first state talk because of the trade war, the tariffs? Yeah. Well, I understand that. Look, I understand

00:13:30.220 that. And Americans don't want to buy cars that are made in Canada. You know, I mean, we have the same

00:13:34.740 conflict. So there isn't, it's, it's something that, uh, will get worked out. There's still great

00:13:42.240 love between the two countries, but, uh, you know, American people want product here. They want to

00:13:49.020 make it here. Uh, Detroit was emptied out and moved to Canada and moved to Mexico, moved to other places,

00:13:54.940 not just Canada. And, uh, now they're all moving back. You know, they're moving back. We have right

00:14:01.700 now, it's just telling Mark, we have 17 trillion, but it's going to, it's really much higher. That

00:14:05.620 was as of a couple of months ago, we have, uh, over $17 trillion being invested now in the United

00:14:11.860 States. As an example, Biden in, he was the worst president we've ever had, but they had less than

00:14:19.040 1 trillion in four years. We have more than 17 trillion in eight months, eight months. And I

00:14:27.360 think that number is going to be 21, 22 trillion dollars. Uh, there's never been anything like that

00:14:32.180 in the history of the world for any country, not even close. You know, if you did 1 trillion in a

00:14:37.120 year, that's pretty good. We're going to do over 20 and it's coming in with AI. It's coming in with

00:14:43.440 auto plants. You know, we're building auto plants, a lot of auto plants in the U S it's coming in for a lot

00:14:48.040 of reasons. It's coming in because of the fact, I think the November 5th election was a big factor.

00:14:53.620 And I think the tariffs are a big factor. And, uh, again, we want Canada to do great, but you know,

00:15:01.720 there's a point at which we also want the same business. We're competing for the same business.

00:15:06.500 That's the problem. That's why I keep mentioning one way to solve that problem is a very easy way,

00:15:11.600 but we're competing for the same business. He wants to make cars. We want to make cars.

00:15:15.840 And we're in competition. And the advantage we have is we have this massive market.

00:15:21.360 So it's a, you know, it's quite an advantage. But the answer of course, is an Americans says Trump

00:15:26.560 don't want to buy cars made in Canada. I find that a terrifying thing to hear,

00:15:32.760 but to Doug Ford, uh, has no idea on what to do with it. Trump says $17 trillion

00:15:39.720 has been invested in the United States by other countries. And Mark Carney in his own way suggested

00:15:45.920 that, well, Canada would invest $1 trillion. I'm not sure who he's speaking for. He's no authority

00:15:51.800 to say that, but even if that's true, how is that in Canada's interest? If you're, if you're promising

00:15:58.760 to invest $1 trillion in the United States over which you have no control, you're just a prime

00:16:03.840 minister. You're not an investor anymore. Um, how is that a win for Canada? Aren't you getting

00:16:09.980 anything in return for that? Trump says we're competing for the same business. That's what

00:16:15.140 he cares about. And yeah, there's another question from the press corps. I'm skipping the questions

00:16:19.480 about Democrat, Republican squabbling. There's another question from the press corps. Why can't

00:16:25.360 Canada do a deal? It's a pretty good question to ask the author of the art of the deal.

00:16:30.400 You know, how come the UK and the European Union have succeeded to sign deals and bring

00:16:36.160 the tariffs down and Canada still hasn't been able to do the same? Yeah, because they're not

00:16:40.420 located right next to each other. It, you know, it makes it, uh, in many cases, it's much better

00:16:46.380 and easier. But yeah, if I, if I may, let's, uh, let's be clear about the relationship as it stands

00:16:51.680 right now. We are the second largest trading partner of the United States. We do a lot of trade

00:16:56.420 going across the border where we're cooperating first thing. Secondly, we are the largest foreign

00:17:01.600 investor in the United States, half a trillion dollars in the last five years alone, probably

00:17:05.760 a trillion dollars in the next five years. If we get, uh, the agreement that we expect to get

00:17:11.420 thirdly, there are areas as the president just said, where we, I wouldn't conflict, maybe not so

00:17:17.420 much conflict. We compete. There are areas where we compete and it's in those areas where we have to

00:17:22.900 come to, uh, an agreement that works, but there are more areas where we are stronger together.

00:17:28.840 And that's what we're focused on. And we're going to get the right deal, right deal for America,

00:17:32.720 right deal, obviously from my perspective, for Canada. It's a pretty pitiful answer from Mark

00:17:37.280 Carney after 210 days to say, well, we don't need a deal. We've got a great deal right now,

00:17:42.800 even without it. And it is true that Canada has really the most favorite access to the American

00:17:48.740 market. You could imagine it is true, but that was all done before Mark Carney returned from Europe

00:17:54.740 to rule over us that none of that is to his credit. I don't know if you saw the images of

00:18:00.240 cabinet ministers taking selfies from the private jet on down to meet with, it was a very embarrassing

00:18:05.780 to me to see the Canadian delegation. I mean, what's, uh, you know, Melanie Jolie doing down there.

00:18:12.200 What's, um, an and the foreign minister doing down there. I mean, really the B team, the C team.

00:18:19.240 Um, I think they just love flying on the private jets. Here's another question, which I thought was

00:18:24.900 interesting or another reference rather to the golden dome. And that's what, uh, Trump is calling

00:18:31.520 the American version of the iron dome defense system. Um, here, take a look.

00:18:36.080 So one thing where we are working very closely is the golden dome. That's the protective

00:18:42.140 mechanism. And you see how that works. It's unbelievable. The, uh, you know, Ronald Reagan

00:18:47.680 wanted to have it. And at that time they didn't have the technology at even close to the technology,

00:18:52.840 but he was, he was advanced, uh, and we'll be working together on a golden dome for the two

00:18:59.000 countries. And, uh, it's something that I think is going to be very important, especially when you

00:19:03.240 look at the world, you look at what's happening. We want to have, we want to have that protection.

00:19:06.860 It's really amazing. The technology is unbelievable. Well, I'm glad to hear that Canada isn't foolish

00:19:12.920 enough to say, no, we don't want American military protection because if that were the case, we would 0.77

00:19:17.020 have no protection whatsoever. Uh, whether it's the Chinese spy balloon or questionable airplanes,

00:19:22.840 it's American fighter jets that scramble, not Canadians. I don't even know how many CF 18 jets

00:19:28.380 are able to be airworthy and ready to fly on any given day. I, I just, I think that the number is

00:19:35.640 probably single digits. So I'm glad that Canada isn't being stupid and anti-American here, 0.99

00:19:40.140 but the obvious question to me is who's going to pay for it and how? 0.99

00:19:46.000 Will Canada be leaving empty handed or will Canada be leaving? Will Mr. Carnegie

00:19:50.120 leaving Washington with a deal on terror? I think they're going to be very happy. We have a lot of

00:19:54.560 things that we're working on that people don't talk about. They talk about, uh, uh, you know,

00:20:01.940 competitive. She's a very competitive person and, uh, they talk about things that we don't

00:20:07.840 necessarily agree on, but I think they're going to walk away very happy. I think so.

00:20:12.000 There's another question about a minimum tariff. Here's the answer to that.

00:20:15.820 The deals that you've signed, there's been a minimum tariff that countries have got.

00:20:19.200 When USMCA gets renegotiated, do you want a minimum tariff on goods between Canada and the US?

00:20:23.440 Well, we're going to have tariffs between Canada and, you know, they have them with us.

00:20:28.980 Uh, I will say with our farmers, as you know, they, they went up to as much as 400%,

00:20:33.960 250, 300, and even one at 401. We found one having to do with a very small product,

00:20:39.840 but it was, it was high. So we've had, so, you know, we've always had tariffs between the two of

00:20:44.920 us. And actually Canada was charging us very high tariffs on our agricultural things, a lot of our

00:20:50.900 agricultural product. And that's one of the things that we talk about for bringing that down. 0.96

00:20:55.760 So, you know, this is a mutual thing, but, uh, we've been charged, uh, tariffs. Look,

00:21:00.320 we're the king of being screwed by tariffs, just so you understand. And I'm not talking about with

00:21:05.140 Canada. I'm talking about with countries all over the world.

00:21:07.280 So Trump is saying he will have agricultural tariffs. That's code for the dairy industry right

00:21:13.980 now. Uh, the beef industry really has no tariffs, but cheese and milk and poultry does. And that

00:21:21.140 benefits of course, the Quebec dairy farmers. Um, I guess the question is how high a price is Mark

00:21:27.660 Carney willing to pay or rather to have the rest of Canada pay to preserve Quebec dairy farmers,

00:21:34.000 getting massive premiums for their products. That's an irritant for Trump. It wasn't his first

00:21:41.360 term. How many auto industry jobs is Mark Carney willing to sacrifice to keep Quebec dairy farmers

00:21:48.700 in a privileged position? My favorite moment was when Trump went on a bit of a tear against his,

00:21:55.840 um, I don't know, his favorite things, his pet peeves. Take a look at this.

00:22:00.240 We have some advantages over other countries and we do have a great market. We have an amazing

00:22:05.900 market, but you know what? If I let this go, if, if we didn't win this election, if we had these

00:22:11.720 people that were running, that were ruining our country, destroying our country with their open

00:22:16.820 borders and men playing in women's sports and transgender from everybody and windmills all over 0.82

00:22:23.260 the place. If we allowed that to go on for another couple of years, we would be, I don't, I'm not sure

00:22:30.140 that we'd even have a country.

00:22:31.260 Windmills and transgenderism. I mean, maybe Donald Trump didn't know what he was saying there, but

00:22:40.380 I'm guessing he did because of course, Mark Carney's central issue for a decade has been windmills. He was

00:22:47.260 the head of the global financial alliance for net zero, all about green energy. He was a sustainability

00:22:54.300 ambassador for the United Nations. His whole raison d'etre was getting people off fossil fuels and onto

00:23:01.100 green schemes like wind turbines. And I don't know if you know this, I haven't made a big fuss about it

00:23:05.820 because I think it's a private matter generally, but it is relevant that Mark Carney's own child is a

00:23:12.140 transgender child who has transitioned. And I don't know if it's just a coincidence that Trump chose

00:23:18.140 to poke at that, but he did. And Mark Carney kept a straight face. Um, here's a clip, uh,

00:23:26.300 indicating one more time that they will include dairy in their tariffs. Take a look.

00:23:31.340 President, will you sign a trade deal with Canada that doesn't include, uh, supply managed goods like

00:23:35.900 dairy, for example? Uh, the federal government. Well, a deal would include dairy. I mean,

00:23:39.900 it's going to include everything. We'll, we'll do a comprehension. Well, I have to say this about

00:23:44.220 Donald Trump. He's pretty candid. I mean, you know where you stand with him. He's going to flatter

00:23:48.220 you. That's the BS part. But when he says things like we're coming for dairy or why are we buying

00:23:53.420 your cars? I think it's wise to take him seriously. And I find that terrifying for Ontario's auto

00:23:59.740 industry and some autos in Quebec. Um, here's Trump in butter you up mode where he says he thinks

00:24:06.140 Mark Carney's a great prime minister. Take a look. I think he's a great prime minister. I mean,

00:24:15.020 he could represent me anytime. I will tell you, you know, I'm not saying that because he is a very

00:24:20.860 strong, very good leader. He's a, he's a nice man, but he could be nasty. He could be very nasty.

00:24:26.860 Maybe as nasty as everybody. Uh, I think, I think the candidates, let me put it this way. I can tell you 0.97

00:24:33.020 this because I deal with lots of leaders all over the world. Uh, he is, uh, he's a world class

00:24:39.980 leader. He's a man that knows what he wants. And, uh, I'm not surprised to see that he won the

00:24:44.860 election and won it substantially. And I would think he's more popular now. He's a good man.

00:24:50.460 He does a great job, but he's a tough negotiator. Does he really think Mark Carney's a great prime

00:24:54.460 minister? I don't think he knows anything about how Mark Carney does. I don't think he spent a minute

00:24:58.860 thinking about it. Uh, he's working on a few other things right now when he says Mark Carney could

00:25:03.980 represent me. I think that's an outright fib. I think Mark Carney has shown what a poor negotiator

00:25:10.620 he is. He doesn't have a deal after 210 days saying that he is a very strong, nice man who can be nasty.

00:25:18.380 It's a funny, it's that's a Trump compliment, but I just don't think it's true that Mark Carney

00:25:24.060 is very strong calling him a world class leader who knows what he wants and won substantially.

00:25:31.340 He didn't win substantially going from memory. It was about two percentage points,

00:25:35.100 a world class leader. Tell me anyone in the world who follows Mark Carney. Tell me anyone in the world

00:25:41.020 other than Hamas who says, I'm really curious in Mark Carney's take on things. I just don't think

00:25:46.860 it happens. Um, what's interesting also is that what there were no questions about in the past,

00:25:53.740 there have been questions in the Oval Office about censorship. When the UK Prime Minister

00:25:58.780 Keir Starmer visited the Oval Office, questions were put about the online safety act. That's what

00:26:04.700 it's called in the UK. Well, as you know, Stephen Gilboa recently said he's going to revive the online

00:26:10.140 harms act as it's called in Canada. And that is, uh, now policy of Mark Carney. Uh, no one raised that.

00:26:16.780 I sort of wish they would, but really what's the odds that a regime journalist from Canada is going to

00:26:21.020 ask about censorship. They support it. I saw this headline in the CTV news because while I think

00:26:29.660 it was actually yesterday. So two days ago, Lutnik was in the Oval Office yesterday. I think it was

00:26:34.620 Lutnik. That's the commerce secretary again. Let me read the headline from CTV. Lutnik dismisses

00:26:41.180 any prospect of auto deal between us and Canada. And they say, says sources. Well, the sources is he gave

00:26:48.620 a speech in Toronto. I don't think it was caught on tape, strangely, but there were a lot of people

00:26:52.780 there, including Doug Ford. And here's what he had to say. I heard that. And, uh, it's very clear.

00:26:59.820 We want to manufacture automobiles here. I would say it's a massive threat when you have the secretary

00:27:05.500 of commerce coming out and saying that, and the president, you'd only say it if the president

00:27:10.140 gave him the green light. So we, we have to be prepared and the auto sector needs to be prepared.

00:27:16.620 Not only are good, uh, uniform members, but also the prime minister. Uh, my first question,

00:27:22.700 what are you going to do to protect the auto sector here in Ontario? Yeah, not so insulting now.

00:27:29.100 Look, uh, losing the U S market for the Canadian auto industry is going to be an economic disaster.

00:27:36.940 And it would be as disastrous for that province as shutting down the oil sands exports would be for

00:27:42.860 Canada, which makes you wonder why Mark Carney has been so avoidant of building new markets for

00:27:49.180 Western oil. But this really is a existential threat to Ontario. Not that the auto industry

00:27:55.340 is as large, either in absolute or relative terms, but it's such an important source of

00:28:01.740 good jobs in Canada. And it's pretty clear that Trump wants to move those factories to Ohio,

00:28:07.260 Pennsylvania, Michigan. I mean, he's been saying it even since his first term. And what is,

00:28:13.740 what does Doug Ford have to say in return? I, I think his insults aren't really working,

00:28:19.100 but what is he going to do? Literally what can Canada do? I don't know. Insulting Trump seems

00:28:24.220 to be the choice. I'm not happy about it, but it's coming. And by the way, Doug Ford and Mark Carney

00:28:30.220 are joined at the hip. They say that Mark Carney raised a surprising issue with Trump, which if

00:28:36.140 it's true, I like the sounds of it. They say that Mark Carney raised the prospect of reviving

00:28:42.060 the Keystone XL pipeline. Now that's a pipeline that would take 800,000 barrels of oil a day

00:28:47.500 from Alberta and Saskatchewan into the US, displacing OPEC conflict oil. And this is a great idea.

00:28:55.100 Trump approved this in his last mandate, but it was killed on day one by Joe Biden. So opening it up

00:29:01.260 again would be great for both countries. It should be a no brainer. And it's sort of surprising that

00:29:07.260 it took 200 days for Carney to mention it. But I saw in the news that the company that owns the

00:29:14.540 the proposed Keystone XL pipeline, they say, yeah, they're happy to hear it, but they knew nothing

00:29:20.380 about this proposal. Let me say that again. Mark Carney, maybe he just popped into his head.

00:29:26.140 But after 210 days, as the guy who knows how to handle Trump, it pops into his head at the last

00:29:31.820 minute. And he didn't even talk to the company itself. Well, listen, I hope it actually works.

00:29:37.100 And maybe buying Canadian oil will somehow please Trump in a way that might make him save Canada's

00:29:44.860 car industry. But I wouldn't bet on him. Hey, can you tell me in 210 days as prime minister,

00:29:52.700 can you tell me one single thing that Mark Carney has actually achieved?

00:30:03.420 Well, that's our show for the day. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World

00:30:08.220 Headquarters, see you at home. Good night and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - October 10, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Carney returns empty-handed from critical Trump trade meeting

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