Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Carney revives Trudeau's censorship regime to silence dissent

00:00:00.000 Tonight, the carny liberals say they're going to reintroduce Trudeau's censorship bill.

00:00:19.940 And no one in Parliament bats an eye.

00:00:22.240 It's September 25th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:24.880 You're fighting for freedom!

00:00:26.300 Shame on you, you censorious bug! 0.87

00:00:39.840 Oh, hi everybody. Soria, I'm in informal attire. 0.95

00:00:43.560 I'm in Calgary right now, actually at my folks' place where I stay when I come to Calgary.

00:00:47.740 They're still here, I love to visit.

00:00:49.440 I'm in Calgary for some meetings, including an annual meeting of the Western Standard.

00:00:54.420 As you know, the Western Standard was the name of a magazine I used to publish two decades ago almost, but it has been revived into a lively and important news website focusing on Western Canada.

00:01:07.880 It's run by our friend Derek Fildebrandt.

00:01:09.760 I was delighted to be invited to speak to their team, so that's sort of fun.

00:01:13.140 I mean, technically on paper, Rebel News is competitors with Juno and Counter-Signal and Epoch Times and Western Standard.

00:01:21.940 I suppose we are, but I actually don't feel that way.

00:01:24.860 I feel like we're sort of allies.

00:01:27.260 We're little Davids fighting the big Goliath together.

00:01:30.780 And we have much more in common than we have that differentiates ourselves.

00:01:34.580 I mean, we have different niches and focuses, of course.

00:01:37.000 And I think we're all making a go of it against this big blob of regime media.

00:01:42.720 Anyways, I'm really flattered to be invited to speak to them.

00:01:45.180 That's why I'm in Calgary.

00:01:46.580 But I've been paying close attention to Ottawa and another independent news source that I really admire.

00:01:51.900 It's called Black Locks.

00:01:53.740 They had a little tidbit that I didn't see anywhere else.

00:01:57.300 And it was about a parliamentary committee hearing.

00:02:01.480 As you know, there's the main parliament where the MPs sit and they go there to debate and to have question period.

00:02:07.740 But a lot of the work of parliament is done in committees where they call witnesses and experts and consultations.

00:02:14.840 One of the things that happens at the committee is cabinet ministers come to answer questions about what they're doing and how things are moving along.

00:02:22.740 And yesterday, Stephen Gilbeau came before the Heritage Committee.

00:02:27.500 Stephen Gilbeau, you'll remember.

00:02:29.280 He's the convicted criminal, of course.

00:02:31.480 Who was a Greenpeace criminal.

00:02:33.980 He scaled the CN Tower and broke out of it, causing tens of thousands of dollars in damages.

00:02:40.280 He actually went on the roof of Ralph Klein's home.

00:02:43.760 Ralph Klein, the former premier of Alberta.

00:02:45.840 He broke into the property, went on the roof.

00:02:48.460 Ralph Klein wasn't there.

00:02:49.520 Ralph Klein was at work.

00:02:51.060 But Mrs. Klein was at home terrified.

00:02:53.580 Imagine some thug literally climbing on your roof for a stunt.

00:02:59.020 He should have been imprisoned for those things.

00:03:01.740 But instead, he winds up.

00:03:03.400 He's just Trudeau's kind of guy.

00:03:04.980 And now he's Mark Carney's kind of guy. 0.97

00:03:07.300 So, so gross.

00:03:09.120 Anyways, he was before the Heritage Committee talking about a number of things.

00:03:15.020 And for about 30 seconds, he dropped a bit of news that BlackLog's picked up.

00:03:21.500 They are going to revive.

00:03:24.060 They're going to exhum and rebuild Justin Trudeau's censorship bill, which was called C63, which was called the Online Harms Act.

00:03:32.400 Mark Carney is bringing it back.

00:03:34.860 Don't take it from me.

00:03:35.740 Here's Stephen Gilbeau, the convicted criminal, the Trudeau cabinet minister, who's now being reheated into a Carney cabinet minister.

00:03:43.780 We've made a commitment to combat online harms.

00:03:46.340 I have myself worked on that during my first passage at Heritage between 2019 and 2021.

00:03:52.180 Many of my colleagues have continued on that.

00:03:54.340 We tabled a bill in last parliament, C63, that was aimed not specifically at online harms, but also modernizing the criminal code.

00:04:05.560 So we will be introducing measures to address hate speech, terrorist content, and the harmful distribution of intimate images.

00:04:13.340 Yeah, do you get the feeling that the government cares about censorship more than just about anything else?

00:04:17.640 I mean, yesterday, as you know, I spent the day in court alone fighting against the regulation of journalists through this journalism license that, again, Trudeau invented and Carney is continuing.

00:04:29.240 That lawsuit, I hate to say it, we're probably going to lose.

00:04:32.520 I mean, appeal courts are always long shots.

00:04:35.700 I bet if we had a bevy of civil liberties groups in there, journalism groups in there intervening on our behalf, it could be different.

00:04:44.460 Like, what if the Canadian Association of Journalists and Canadian Journalists for Free Expression and Penn Canada and Amnesty International, what if instead of just me being in there, and maybe the judges don't like me, maybe, oh, it's Rebel News and Ezra Levant, we don't like them.

00:04:59.200 Maybe if there was all these fancy pants liberals who used to care about civil liberties, like where the heck is the Canadian Civil Liberties Association?

00:05:07.520 30 years ago, I knew their director.

00:05:11.300 He loved freedom of speech, even for people he didn't like.

00:05:15.560 His name was Alan Borovoy.

00:05:17.460 He was a Jewish guy who talked about the importance of defending Nazis.

00:05:22.700 Civil Liberties Organization today, they would never defend someone on the right, not even a conservative.

00:05:29.240 And so they're never there in the battle.

00:05:32.460 But what would happen if they had been there?

00:05:34.660 I think it would make a difference, not just making legal arguments, but telegraphing to the judge that this isn't just about rinky-dink Rebel News.

00:05:42.400 This is a bigger thing.

00:05:44.140 Alas, I was in there by myself, which was a little frustrating.

00:05:47.220 And you saw that remark by Stephen Gilbeau.

00:05:51.240 It was only about 30 seconds.

00:05:52.980 He basically said, I'm bringing back the censorship law and nothing.

00:05:58.060 I searched through, I skimmed the entire hearing, and maybe I missed it, but I don't think I did.

00:06:05.160 I don't think a single MP bothered to press him on it.

00:06:08.900 They were talking about other things.

00:06:10.660 Let me give you a reminder about what this, it used to be called Bill C-63.

00:06:14.600 It's the online harm standard.

00:06:15.980 It's a censorship law.

00:06:17.320 It had some atrocious things that I think startled anyone who read the bill, but again, who reads the bill?

00:06:22.300 It had life in prison as a new punishment for the standalone crime of hate.

00:06:28.840 Hate, of course, is a human emotion.

00:06:30.620 It's absurd to regulate hate.

00:06:32.540 That's like regulating love.

00:06:33.920 You can't ban it any more than you can compel people to love.

00:06:37.680 The liberals hate prison.

00:06:39.840 The liberals let anyone out on bail.

00:06:42.540 This is the only thing I've ever seen the liberals call for life in prison for, for the emotion of hatred.

00:06:48.760 That's what they want to do.

00:06:49.840 There's this crazy provision in there targeting Elon Musk.

00:06:55.840 It's a 24-hour takedown provision where if anyone complains about something on social media, if the companies don't take it down within 24 hours, they face enormous fines that could reach into the billions of dollars.

00:07:12.840 Of course, how does a 24-hour takedown notice work?

00:07:15.400 Let's say someone writes something at 11 p.m. on Friday night, and by the time someone hears about it, it's 10 a.m. Saturday morning, so they basically have a few hours.

00:07:28.140 But my point is the companies cannot do a proper hearing, properly investigate something.

00:07:33.640 They're going to, if they have to make a decision in 24 hours, and if there's billions of dollars at stake, they could censor everything.

00:07:41.500 It's a, I mean, have you ever seen the government act on anything within 24 hours?

00:07:46.800 The only reason you would demand a 24-hour takedown is if you want the company to do it simply out of fear and out of reflex, not actually have a hearing into whether something was truly hateful.

00:07:58.500 And by the way, if something breaks a criminal law, then go arrest the guy.

00:08:04.820 But don't tell social media companies that they have to be political correctness cops.

00:08:09.180 As you know, the new provisions in C-63, which sound like they're going to be revived, mean you could be charged for anything you ever said on social media, even something historical.

00:08:21.780 The wording in the law said, if you still control a Facebook account or some old thing, and you wrote a comment literally 10 years ago, you can be prosecuted today.

00:08:32.760 There's no statute of limitations like there is for, say, defamation law or most torts.

00:08:37.880 This law is so un-Canadian, it breaks centuries of tradition in our law. 0.63

00:08:43.040 Imagine saying you have to make a decision in 24 hours.

00:08:45.720 You can be charged for anything you've ever said historically.

00:08:49.520 Hate speech, when you were a kid, if you were a teenager in 2006, and now you're in your 30s, you could be charged with a hate crime for what you did when you were teenagers.

00:09:02.480 That is literally in the law.

00:09:04.660 It criminalizes words.

00:09:06.660 It gives a bounty.

00:09:08.980 You get paid to make nuisance complaints against your enemies, unlimited.

00:09:14.300 You can make secret complaints against people like Jordan Peterson or Ezra Levant.

00:09:20.060 You can get a preemptive restraining order against someone who hasn't said anything hateful yet, but you think he will.

00:09:29.560 You can get shocking restraints on him, including house arrest, giving blood and urine samples, that's in the law, seizing any lawful firearms, saying he can or can't go any places or contact anyone.

00:09:45.120 That's all in this law.

00:09:47.440 And, of course, they have three new censorship agencies that will be hundreds of staff doing nothing but censoring.

00:09:56.220 That's C63.

00:09:57.220 That's C63.

00:09:58.020 And that, very casually, in 30 seconds, Stephen Gilboa said, Mark Carney is bringing back.

00:10:05.620 Now, I think the first thing to realize is that Carney may look like a boring banker, but he is no less radical than Justin Trudeau.

00:10:13.960 And why would he be?

00:10:14.940 He's got the same people around him, including Stephen Gilboa, the criminal.

00:10:17.660 I think it's a little different out there now, because when Justin Trudeau first introduced this bill several times, actually, Joe Biden was president.

00:10:27.700 But now Trump is president, and he and his vice president, J.D. Vance, say that they value freedom of speech, and they're actually putting that into action.

00:10:36.520 The U.S. has raised the issue of censorship in Germany, in Ireland, in the U.K., in the European Union in general.

00:10:45.460 And the United States has actually threatened censors around the world that if they censor, if they censor American social media platforms, if they censor Americans, the U.S. State Department might actually ban those censors from ever visiting America.

00:11:03.900 Imagine if Stephen Gilboa were to be banned from visiting the United States.

00:11:09.080 He's a communist, Stephen Gilboa.

00:11:10.720 He hates capitalism, but he loves going to the United States.

00:11:14.320 Everyone does.

00:11:15.460 Wouldn't it be delicious if Stephen Gilboa was banned from America like some sort of Putin oligarch, because he's acting like a Trudeau or Carney oligarch?

00:11:25.920 That'd be something. 0.97

00:11:27.260 I think doing this, while we haven't negotiated a trade deal with America, is exceedingly dumb. 0.77

00:11:32.580 But I've come to the conclusion that I think Mark Carney is doing so many things to irritate Trump in particular, and America in general, that it can't be an accident. 0.86

00:11:41.580 I think Carney wants a trade war so he can blame the coming recession on Trump.

00:11:46.860 So bringing back censorship, which will get stuck in the craw of Marco Rubio and Janie Vance and Trump himself, that sounds insane, and it makes no sense until you come to the realization, well, that, hey, actually, maybe Carney wants to be able to blame Trump for our made-in-Canada recession. 0.95

00:12:05.380 I think it's dumb to do. 0.94

00:12:08.580 I think it's immoral to do. 0.99

00:12:10.000 I think it's un-Canadian. 0.99

00:12:12.020 And I think Rebel News has to fight it.

00:12:14.540 I think Rebel News will want to be one of the first people targeted by it, especially now that Jordan Peterson has relocated to the United States.

00:12:21.220 Seriously, tell me someone in Canada who would be hit by this law faster than Rebel News or myself or David Menzies or our team.

00:12:31.960 I mean, I suppose there are others out there who are even more offensive to the liberals than us, but I can't name them offhand.

00:12:38.400 I think we might be fighting this ourselves.

00:12:40.800 Will we be alone?

00:12:42.460 I hope not.

00:12:43.680 I was alone yesterday in court.

00:12:45.440 I had no allies other than you, our lovely viewers, who helped chip in to pay for our legal fees.

00:12:50.420 But we have to fight it.

00:12:51.860 We have to, for our own existential survival, and I think for the sake of Canada's survival, too.

00:12:58.060 Stay with us.

00:12:59.120 More ahead with our friend Franco Teresano.

00:13:10.260 Mark Carney has been on a diplomatic flurry.

00:13:13.320 It's sort of pitiful, the countries he's meeting with and making huge announcements over tiny little things.

00:13:18.940 It's countries with a sliver of a population.

00:13:22.480 I think it was Barbados the other day.

00:13:24.380 I have nothing against Barbados.

00:13:25.700 I've had the pleasure of going there.

00:13:28.180 But it's smaller than a city.

00:13:30.580 It's less than a quarter million people.

00:13:32.280 That's not exactly a replacement for a trade deal with the United States.

00:13:36.680 Neither is Mexico. 0.90

00:13:37.760 I'm afraid neither is Indonesia. 1.00

00:13:39.280 If you look up all these countries, we have tiny amounts of exports.

00:13:43.540 But this is, I think, Mark Carney trying to show that, sure, he doesn't have a trade deal with Trump.

00:13:48.560 And sure, he seems to be on the wrong foot with Trump.

00:13:51.000 But, you know, he's putting together a coalition of, I don't know, a Lilliputian coalition.

00:13:57.260 He may not get Snow White, but he'll get the Seven Dwarfs. 0.93

00:14:00.860 I don't know.

00:14:01.980 I'm not sure who's buying it.

00:14:03.240 He wasn't even invited to Trump's meeting to deal with Ukraine.

00:14:08.020 And Canada has been one of the largest funders.

00:14:11.420 But yesterday, Carney took a break from talking about diplomatics and even trade deals and started talking about a vision for a new kind of economy.

00:14:24.140 Now, whenever a politician talks about a new kind of economy, hold on to your wallet because odds are it's not a new idea at all.

00:14:30.880 Odds are it's just a repackaged version of socialism.

00:14:34.860 And that's not really that surprising coming from the former director of the World Economic Forum, which, as we know, looks capitalist on the outside.

00:14:43.340 I mean, Larry Fink of BlackRock is on their board.

00:14:46.720 But it's actually a socialist endeavor, sort of hijacking capitalism, taking it away from shareholder rights towards stakeholder rights and replacing the free market with a managed market.

00:15:00.440 So, from the very beginning, you should be on guard about Mark Carney.

00:15:04.700 Here he is in New York.

00:15:06.720 And I want to play three full minutes of him describing what he wants to do, not just to Canada's economy, but to the world's economy.

00:15:15.700 And when we're done watching these three minutes, I'm going to call upon Franco Teresano from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation to help me, A, understand what the heck this means, and B, figuring out how it's going to be implemented, if at all.

00:15:30.860 Okay, enough preamble.

00:15:32.180 Take a look at this three-minute craziness from Mark Carney.

00:15:36.200 The way I'm going to organize my thoughts, three points, four points actually, around building that system, financial system for our grandkids.

00:15:44.480 Again, drawing on the intervention of the managing director and the secretary general earlier.

00:15:51.520 First thing we need is to recognize that we need to use scarce dollars to the maximum effect.

00:15:58.440 This isn't just about bigger volumes.

00:16:00.820 It's about using scarce public dollars to maximum effect.

00:16:03.540 And that is catalyzing financial instruments, using risk mitigation tools to better allocate risk between the public and private sector.

00:16:12.600 I will just refer for speed to the agenda of the private sector investment lab and what the World Bank has been doing on risk management.

00:16:19.500 The second point is crowding in institutional capital through originate to distribute models.

00:16:24.980 There's a lot of words there.

00:16:26.480 What it basically means is recycling the balance sheets of our international financial institutions.

00:16:32.600 So they are there catalyzing the new lending.

00:16:36.040 Once it matures, it's parked off to other holders that can hold it for the long term.

00:16:41.520 And it's all about action, new action at the MDBs.

00:16:45.660 The third point is strengthening the structures, processes, governance of the institutions.

00:16:51.780 To put it into plain words,

00:16:53.360 the shareholders should be looking at key performance indicators that are directly tied, of course, to the sustainable development goals,

00:17:00.900 but also absolute volumes of capital that are moving.

00:17:05.820 And in some cases, it's not about lending.

00:17:09.360 It's actually about technical assistance.

00:17:11.300 It's making capital flow possible.

00:17:14.080 So all of those activities that catalyze in flows towards the SDGs.

00:17:19.040 I will reference the work that has been done and needs to be completed on a cross-border carbon market,

00:17:26.460 which could close one-third of the climate finance gap between now and 2035.

00:17:32.940 And I will also just associate myself with the framework that President Ramaphosa did outline for the G20,

00:17:43.800 which is more comprehensive than what I've just said.

00:17:46.460 Last point I'll make is that at the G7, there were a few instruments that were launched

00:17:52.500 that build on some of the general points that I just made.

00:17:56.220 Billions of dollars in new financing through the IADB and the Caribbean Development Bank

00:18:01.700 and a structure where a number of countries came together called SCALED,

00:18:07.800 which is scaling capital for sustainable development.

00:18:10.920 The point of this, it's measured in billions, but really the point is it's a template.

00:18:14.880 It's a template for putting in place those general points that I made.

00:18:19.120 It has, as its name suggests, an ability to scale.

00:18:22.240 And if I may close on this, Chair, there is an enormous gap.

00:18:27.440 We know that.

00:18:29.060 But the gap in terms of financial technology and the solutions has closed.

00:18:34.540 The question is whether we're going to deploy them in scale.

00:18:38.700 I understood four words of that.

00:18:42.180 He said cross-border carbon market.

00:18:45.300 That's another way of saying a carbon tax.

00:18:47.340 The rest of that was fog, was what George Orwell would call duck speaking.

00:18:54.800 I'm so frustrated.

00:18:56.220 I know it's the third or fourth time I've watched that.

00:18:57.960 Now, let me bring in our dear friend Franco Terrizado from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

00:19:02.560 Franco, be honest.

00:19:05.700 Did you understand that?

00:19:08.920 Or tell me, did you understand any of it?

00:19:11.240 And you're a smart guy.

00:19:12.180 All you do is look at budgets and government spending.

00:19:16.740 I don't think you're a PhD, but literally all day, this is what you study.

00:19:21.680 What in God's green earth did he save for three minutes?

00:19:25.700 Yeah, no, I don't.

00:19:27.400 I'm having a hard time really breaking down what he said.

00:19:30.500 And Ezra, you know, before I came on the show, I watched this clip a number of times trying to figure this out.

00:19:35.320 I mean, the most concerning thing to me is a couple things, okay?

00:19:38.580 I'm going to give you two things right off the bat.

00:19:40.160 So number one is why are politicians, bureaucrats even kind of discussing what could be, I don't know if the right term is remake, but of the financial system, right?

00:19:52.380 To go back to your introduction off the top here, Ezra, there's really only two ways that an economy operates, with freedom or with force, right?

00:20:02.240 And this is the tale as old as time, okay?

00:20:05.700 That has been the fight throughout the millennia, throughout the centuries, right?

00:20:09.540 It's either freedom or it's force.

00:20:12.000 It's either individuals in the marketplace deciding where to buy things and produce things, or it's through government dictate and government fiat.

00:20:20.200 So that's number one.

00:20:21.120 It's just the big alarm bells ringing there.

00:20:23.300 But number two, as you mentioned, Ezra, what was it?

00:20:26.260 The cross-border carbon market.

00:20:29.680 I flagging the exact same thing you're flagging, Ezra.

00:20:32.460 And look, we already know that the global, you know, international organizations, whatever you want to call them, we know the United Nations has mused about forms of global carbon taxes.

00:20:43.800 We know the IMF has mused about forms of global carbon taxes.

00:20:48.360 And we also know the World Economic Forum has mused about different types of global carbon taxes.

00:20:56.780 You know, before he became prime minister, he had several jobs.

00:21:02.340 He was the chairman of Brookfield Asset Management.

00:21:04.100 He was also the UN ambassador for climate change, if I'm not mistaken.

00:21:10.440 Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

00:21:11.960 But I know for sure he was also the head of GFANS, the Global Financial Alliance for Net Zero.

00:21:19.840 I'm here, and he was also the director of the World Economic Forum.

00:21:23.600 I'm hearing World Economic Forum.

00:21:25.400 I'm hearing GFANS.

00:21:26.800 I'm hearing someone who wants to socialize the economy, who wants to, you know, make carbon pricing in everything.

00:21:37.840 I'm not hearing a Canadian prime minister.

00:21:40.580 I'm hearing someone who still thinks his job is to transform capitalism into, like you say, a managed economy.

00:21:50.900 And he was so fluent with that BS.

00:21:54.860 Yes, I, that's BS.

00:21:57.040 I mean, he used, you know what word he's, I know what his favorite word is now, catalyze.

00:22:03.000 Yeah.

00:22:04.380 Catalyze is a real word.

00:22:05.540 It's sort of, it sort of means like alchemy, like to bring something together and create a change.

00:22:14.280 It's sort of his go-to word to make things seem fancy and new and shiny, but he doesn't really know the answer.

00:22:24.000 Oh, we'll catalyze the change.

00:22:26.840 And he must have said that half a dozen times there.

00:22:29.960 I've got a question for you, Franco.

00:22:31.680 Is he a flim-flam man? 0.99

00:22:33.860 Is he a BS-er?

00:22:35.600 Or is there actual meaning underneath it?

00:22:38.740 Because, by the way, you can be a BS-er to sneak something through, or you can be a BS-er just because, you know, you're an imposter.

00:22:49.140 You don't know what you're talking about.

00:22:50.320 You just, you know, fake it till you make it.

00:22:52.200 Is this fake it till you make it?

00:22:53.760 Or is this sneaking in bad ideas under a fog of words?

00:22:58.460 Ezra, I just have to be honest with you.

00:23:00.260 I don't know.

00:23:01.160 Because, you know, the first time I watched it, I told you I watched it a number of times before coming on with you here.

00:23:06.360 It almost reminded me, because I did economics in undergrad and through my master's as well, right?

00:23:12.220 So I've also taken business courses and stuff like that, and on the one hand, I recognize terminology that we do have to be on the lookout for, right?

00:23:21.360 I recognize expert terminology in there.

00:23:23.660 We already mentioned the cross-border carbon mechanism, right?

00:23:26.980 Like, that is legitimate expert terminology, and it's just bureaucrats speak for global carbon taxes, right?

00:23:33.620 So on the one hand, you recognize terminology of what an expert would say.

00:23:38.220 But on the other hand, it kind of reminded me of, like, third-year business school, my buddy who went out all weekend, who didn't actually prepare for his presentation, and then just using mumbo-jumbo jargon to try to, like, you know, get through the 10-minute presentation.

00:23:53.280 So, Ezra, I don't know.

00:23:55.100 I honestly don't know which one it is.

00:23:57.560 You know, I just Googled the word catalyze.

00:24:00.080 I mean, I know what it means, but let me tell you what the Oxford Dictionary says.

00:24:04.180 It means to cause or accelerate a reaction by acting as a catalyst, and then they give you the example.

00:24:12.280 The enzyme catalyzes the oxidation of acetaldehyde.

00:24:16.320 So that's what I – it's like – it's a fancy way of saying transform and improve.

00:24:21.140 So he used that word so often.

00:24:24.800 I think that's a fake word, a fudge word, a word when he – he just – it's sort of like that old Homer Simpson joke, you know, step one, open a lemonade stem.

00:24:34.860 Step two, question mark, question mark, question mark.

00:24:37.980 Step three, profit.

00:24:39.420 Like, it's just his filler.

00:24:41.240 It's his stopgap for when he doesn't know what to say.

00:24:44.380 Oh, we'll catalyze that.

00:24:46.100 Well, yeah, I mean, you're using a cool word that no one else uses, but maybe you're hiding that you don't have a bloody clue.

00:24:53.100 There's one more thing he said, and I bet you know what these initials mean.

00:24:56.880 He said the letters SDG.

00:25:00.060 I don't know if you caught that, Franco.

00:25:01.880 I know what that means because I follow the United Nations and their plans.

00:25:05.680 Those are called the Sustainable Development Goals.

00:25:08.820 You know, he's got this jargon so secondhand, he's so used to talking to people at the UN or the World Economic Forum.

00:25:15.780 That is a UN agenda.

00:25:17.760 That's not a Canadian agenda.

00:25:19.200 I don't think he's fully absorbed what it means to be Canada's prime minister.

00:25:24.340 I think he still thinks he's a master of the universe who answers to the whole world.

00:25:29.920 That's what the World Economic Forum is like.

00:25:32.040 That's what the UN is like.

00:25:33.180 If you're talking about SDGs, you're talking like you're a UN bureaucrat.

00:25:39.200 You're not talking like you care about people in Barrie, Ontario, Cape Breton, Red Deer, Victoria.

00:25:45.920 You sound like someone who is in Geneva or New York.

00:25:50.240 You know, Ezra, you've been kind of to some of these conferences before, right?

00:25:54.860 I've watched you do the interviews where you're walking and talking with people.

00:25:58.620 So you would know more about this than I do.

00:26:02.600 But like one of the issues is that these international bureaucrats, these international government

00:26:07.600 bodies, one of the real issues is that they do have a ton of influence over, let's call

00:26:13.160 it public policy back here in places like Canada or in other countries.

00:26:17.060 But the accountability piece, is there any, Ezra?

00:26:20.220 Like, is there any accountability over these international bureaucrats?

00:26:23.320 Like, Tim, if there is, I don't really see it.

00:26:25.960 But where there is some semblance of accountability left is with our own politicians, right?

00:26:33.040 Our members of parliament.

00:26:33.980 So even when they're talking to these international groups of elites, bureaucrats, businesses, they

00:26:39.960 then have to come back here in Canada and try to implement these policies and at least try

00:26:45.920 or at least show that they're kind of taking steps through the democratic process here.

00:26:50.160 And that's where we fight it.

00:26:52.340 Now, if there is a little bit of optimism here, Ezra, because look, I understand there's

00:26:57.360 a lot of reasons for us to be pessimistic.

00:26:59.000 But if there is some optimism, I think that's where we kind of have to fight these things,

00:27:03.060 right, is on the domestic front.

00:27:05.080 There is a lack of accountability when you talk about these international organizations

00:27:08.340 and bureaucracies, where there is some accountability left is right here back home.

00:27:14.440 So during the House of Commons parliamentary sessions.

00:27:17.360 And why I say there is some optimism is because Mr. Carney still has to play the democratic game,

00:27:24.880 right?

00:27:25.180 He still has to worry about getting elected.

00:27:27.380 He still has to go to caucus meetings every Wednesday morning.

00:27:31.160 And we've already seen that some pressure, they have already started to backtrack, whether

00:27:35.760 that's the consumer carbon tax, right?

00:27:37.780 Now, I'm sure they're going to continue to try to put in sneaky carbon tax, but we have

00:27:41.920 seen some backtracking.

00:27:43.300 We've seen at least a delay for a year on the gas and diesel vehicle sale ban by 2035.

00:27:48.640 So there's still hope for Canadians to fight back against, you know, some of these costly

00:27:53.620 regulations and taxes.

00:27:56.020 You know, all of us can fall into using jargon.

00:28:00.080 Just I was just earlier talking about Bill C-63.

00:28:03.800 I know what that is.

00:28:05.240 That was the name of an old bill for censorship.

00:28:07.860 But most people don't know what Bill C-63 or Bill 3, you know, because they're not following

00:28:13.560 the stuff super closely.

00:28:14.720 So sometimes when you use jargon, it's just because you're more familiar with it and you're

00:28:18.660 being precise.

00:28:19.580 But there's another reason to use jargon.

00:28:21.820 And that's to sort of say, I'm part of an elite priesthood and we have a code.

00:28:28.840 And if you don't use precisely the right words, you're not in the in-group.

00:28:33.520 And so it's a way of making yourself look high and mighty and smarter than everybody.

00:28:37.440 And I don't know if he is.

00:28:39.160 And it's also a way of impressing people.

00:28:43.500 You know who eat that stuff up?

00:28:45.860 Journalists.

00:28:47.040 Oh, wow.

00:28:47.660 He's so smart.

00:28:48.720 Did you see how he talked about catalyzing the SDGs and improving cross-border capital

00:28:53.640 in the billions and the cross-border carbon market?

00:28:56.760 Oh, wow.

00:28:57.360 I mean, it's baffle gab.

00:29:00.100 And I think journalists, for all their talk about watch out for disinformation, I think they

00:29:06.000 are the easiest to bamboozle.

00:29:08.560 You throw a few SDGs and catalyzes at them and they're, whoa, we finally have someone

00:29:15.600 who knows how the world works.

00:29:17.240 That's how Carney is sold to us.

00:29:19.280 He knows how the world works.

00:29:20.680 It works by catalyzing SDGs.

00:29:22.980 And if you don't even know what that is, you're not smart enough to criticize him.

00:29:26.800 I think that that's why he uses jargon.

00:29:29.560 But I got a question for you.

00:29:31.860 What's his budget going to look like?

00:29:33.340 What's his budget deficit going to look like?

00:29:34.780 Is it going to be higher or lower than Justin Trudeau's?

00:29:37.320 Because Trudeau was sort of a dummy in some ways, but he had, you know, the kids would

00:29:42.520 say he had Riz. 0.96

00:29:43.800 He had a high social IQ.

00:29:47.500 I don't know.

00:29:48.220 I find Mark Carney is a cold fish by comparison.

00:29:51.460 But the real test is, can he balance the budget?

00:29:53.900 Now, we know he's not going to.

00:29:55.360 Is the budget going to have a higher or lower deficit compared to Trudeau?

00:29:59.560 Ezra, I can't believe I'm going to do this, but let me just put off the deficit conversation

00:30:03.900 for one time.

00:30:04.720 Breaking news, right?

00:30:05.660 CTF for one second isn't going to talk about the deficit.

00:30:08.800 I want to say one more thing because it's not just signaling, right?

00:30:12.140 One is to signal and to signal to different types of people.

00:30:15.160 But the second one is it makes it easier to sneak stuff through, right?

00:30:19.700 When you use jargon.

00:30:20.760 It's not just signaling.

00:30:22.780 It makes it easier to signal stuff through, right?

00:30:25.660 If you call something an output-based pricing system, what is that?

00:30:30.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:32.260 Well, that's an industrial carbon tax.

00:30:33.880 That is a carbon tax on Canadian fertilizer plants that makes it more expensive for farmers

00:30:39.060 to grow food and makes it more expensive for everyone to buy food, okay?

00:30:43.380 So it's not just signaling, right?

00:30:45.660 Not just, you know, look fancy and to signal to certain elites.

00:30:49.020 No, it's also a way to use cover to bring in policies, taxes, regulations that drive up

00:30:55.540 people's cost of living, make things more expensive, right?

00:30:59.060 So it's more than just the signaling.

00:31:01.220 But on to the deficit, on to the budget.

00:31:03.180 Look, I'm really worried about this, Ezra.

00:31:05.500 I'm actually, I don't know if I've ever been really this worried about the state of our finances

00:31:11.040 than I am right now.

00:31:12.180 And I'm actually very, very worried, okay?

00:31:14.960 So we got this PBO report.

00:31:17.100 It shows that the deficit is going to be like $70 billion this year.

00:31:21.680 $70 billion.

00:31:22.900 And that's just a baseline because that's without any new measures or any new spending announcements,

00:31:29.140 right?

00:31:29.380 And we just had an election chock full of massive spending promises in the liberal platform.

00:31:34.140 So I think $70 billion is the baseline.

00:31:37.200 Ezra, interest charges on the debt more than what the federal government sends to the provinces

00:31:41.680 in healthcare transfers.

00:31:43.320 By 2030, interest charges on the debt, $82 billion.

00:31:49.900 Like, I'm actually very worried.

00:31:51.880 You asked me the Trudeau comparison.

00:31:54.000 Carney plans to borrow $255 billion over the next four years.

00:31:58.940 That's about $100 billion more than what even Trudeau was planning, right?

00:32:03.160 So the banker is supposed to be better with the numbers and the drama teacher, yet the

00:32:06.980 banker is planning to add about $100 billion more debt over the next four years than what

00:32:12.540 even Trudeau was planning to do.

00:32:14.900 You know, it's irrelevant, but it just popped into my mind.

00:32:18.040 The quarter of it.

00:32:18.900 So you're saying a quarter of a trillion.

00:32:20.640 That's what you're saying.

00:32:22.300 Yeah, that's from the PBO.

00:32:24.020 The other day, I was doing some historical research into when the British Empire redeemed all

00:32:30.420 the slaves in the empire, with a few exceptions.

00:32:34.000 I don't know if you know the history, Franco, but the United Kingdom, the Great Britain, the

00:32:38.580 British Empire borrowed a quarter of a trillion dollars in today's worth to buy the freedom

00:32:46.860 of every slave in the empire.

00:32:50.120 And it took more than a century to pay down that debt.

00:32:54.720 In current dollars, about a quarter trillion dollars.

00:32:58.640 So the most monumental, moral, historical change, one of the greatest changes in history,

00:33:07.680 one of the greatest acts of humanity cost a quarter trillion dollars.

00:33:12.500 That's what they got for their quarter trillion.

00:33:14.240 What are we going to get for our quarter trillion? 0.99

00:33:17.680 Like, what stupid cross-border carbon market SDGs catalyzing are we? 0.98

00:33:23.400 Like, you could do a lot with a quarter trillion dollars, like free every slave in the British 1.00

00:33:27.260 empire.

00:33:28.100 What's Carney's plan for a quarter trillion?

00:33:31.040 Yeah, I mean, great question.

00:33:33.160 Look, I'm actually so mad.

00:33:35.340 And this kind of ties into our previous conversation about, you know, freedom versus force, voluntary

00:33:40.880 economic exchange versus top-down corporate welfare, big government, big business.

00:33:45.880 This is what I'm so worried about, right?

00:33:47.900 Because you already know that Carney says you're going to split out the budgets into two, right?

00:33:52.280 Operating spending, capital spending, right?

00:33:55.240 All that.

00:33:56.460 And, you know, we've heard from the major projects office where he's talking about all these,

00:34:00.400 you know, it's really a handful of these government-approved projects that are going to go forward.

00:34:05.340 And I'm just extremely worried that they're just going to rack up massive amounts of debt,

00:34:10.220 give, you know, take money from hardworking Canadian taxpayers and small businesses, and

00:34:14.140 then hand it to select multinational corporations, perhaps, or maybe just any other corporation

00:34:19.900 to build these projects that the government deems to be in the national interest, right?

00:34:24.860 So it goes more than just corporate welfare.

00:34:28.640 It's the complete wrong way to grow the economy.

00:34:31.260 And it really goes back to that dichotomy of, you know, how do you want your economy

00:34:35.760 and country to be?

00:34:37.040 What foundational principles do you want our country to be?

00:34:40.580 Is it freedom or is it force?

00:34:42.140 And I'm worried that we're getting bigger government, bigger debt, worse services,

00:34:46.640 and a whole bunch of corporate welfare coming our way. 0.99

00:34:50.220 Michael Teresano from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

00:34:52.860 Great to catch up with you.

00:34:54.420 Thanks for your commentary.

00:34:55.360 We'll keep in close touch in the weeks ahead.

00:34:57.440 Hey, thanks, Ezra.

00:34:58.280 Sorry for being a bit of a rain cloud today.

00:34:59.820 No.

00:35:00.080 I apologize.

00:35:01.440 It's good to hear.

00:35:02.120 Thank you very much.

00:35:04.160 Stay with us.

00:35:05.240 More ahead.

00:35:14.320 Hey, welcome back.

00:35:15.440 Your letters to me.

00:35:16.360 These are comments from the Let Us Report campaign update yesterday, which I gave from

00:35:22.580 downtown Toronto at the courthouse.

00:35:24.620 Bruce Atchison says, the government does because they can.

00:35:28.700 And it's why we must keep opposing their tyrannical tendencies.

00:35:32.240 I've supported rebel for nine years, and I won't stop now.

00:35:35.180 Bruce, thank you very much for that.

00:35:37.880 I just asked our lawyers how much we've spent on this legal battle since the beginning.

00:35:42.160 And I'm going to tell you the answer.

00:35:43.380 Maybe it's unwise to give this away.

00:35:45.660 But we have spent or are about to be billed a grand total of $270,000.

00:35:53.720 And I know that sounds shocking, but we've actually had four hearings.

00:35:58.260 The first one by the CRA, then a do-over at the CRA, then the federal court, and now the

00:36:04.840 federal court of appeal.

00:36:06.640 Four hearings.

00:36:09.420 And I think we're going to need a fifth.

00:36:11.100 I know that's a shocking number, but if we don't do it, who will?

00:36:13.600 Bernhard Jacek says, I'm reminded of something someone posted on a wall in an office I worked

00:36:19.900 in a few months.

00:36:21.360 I got my B.S.C.

00:36:23.640 Rule number one, the boss is never wrong.

00:36:25.720 Rule number two, when the boss is wrong, see rule number one.

00:36:28.560 And that's the way it is here in Western Oceania, formerly known as Canada.

00:36:32.860 You're referring Oceania as a reference, of course, to Orwell and his book, 1984.

00:36:37.600 By the way, Rebel News, as you may know, has republished the original manuscript of 1984

00:36:45.600 that's beautifully illustrated, and I encourage you to check it out on our website.

00:36:51.560 Yeah, I mean, we simply are not going to stop being free.

00:36:55.740 And the number one way to be free is to just exercise your freedom all the time.

00:37:00.780 If it means we have to fundraise to go to court, we'll do that.

00:37:04.680 And as I mentioned a moment ago, it probably will fall to us to fight the new Online Harms

00:37:10.600 Act.

00:37:10.920 I mean, maybe others will help, too.

00:37:12.720 I think there will be a few other allies out there.

00:37:15.580 I think it'll be conspicuents which liberal civil liberties groups are not there.

00:37:21.840 Fran G says, good luck, Rebel.

00:37:24.040 We all need the truth you bring out.

00:37:25.900 There is a stronger energy in good than evil.

00:37:29.020 You will win.

00:37:30.640 I appreciate the optimism.

00:37:32.760 And listen, sometimes we win.

00:37:34.680 Sometimes I think it's a super long shot, but we fight and win anyways.

00:37:38.480 That case back in 2019, when the leaders debate tried to keep us out, and the lawyers were so

00:37:45.160 pessimistic, they said we need to be paid in full in advance.

00:37:48.980 I mean, that's how sure they were we were going to lose, but we won.

00:37:53.300 So you got to be a happy warrior.

00:37:55.520 You got to do it.

00:37:56.860 I mean, I know our whole team at Rebel loves to fight.

00:37:59.940 Our whole team.

00:38:01.360 And that's our role.

00:38:03.040 We're journalists, but every once in a while, we stop and try and fix the world, too.

00:38:07.420 Well, that's our show for today.

00:38:09.360 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us at Rebel, whether you're in Calgary like I am now or

00:38:14.220 around the country, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

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Rebel News Podcast - September 25, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Carney revives Trudeau's censorship regime to silence dissent

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