Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Catching up with Avi Yemini after his journalistic tour of duty in Israel

00:00:00.000 Tonight I catch up with Abiyamini after his journalistic tour of duty in Israel you're

00:00:21.000 watching the Ezra LeVant Show as we're here with Abiyamini we're at the ARC conference which is a new

00:00:42.320 intellectual activist advocacy group I don't even know quite how to describe it and frankly

00:00:48.280 I'm not sure if ARC itself knows how to define itself Jordan Peterson is one of the key public

00:00:53.400 intellectuals behind it there's about 1700 delegates here from 70 countries and I'm delighted

00:00:59.400 that one of the delegates is our friend Abiyamini. Abiy nice to see you. Good to see you Ezra. You came

00:01:05.380 here directly from Israel where you were stationed for a couple weeks as our on-the-scene reporter for

00:01:10.720 the war between Israel and Hamas it was very dangerous there you had a bulletproof vest and

00:01:16.900 helmet as did Benji your videographer why don't you just tell me a little bit about how it went

00:01:21.460 we watched all the videos and we and we sent them up by email to a lot of our viewers maybe tell us

00:01:26.380 the story behind the story a little bit how was it what's the mood of Israel and how were you were

00:01:32.260 you afraid just tell me a bit what it was like. Yeah absolutely Ezra and it's good to see you in

00:01:37.280 London of all places but um we arrived there in in London and I guess I didn't know what to in in sorry

00:01:45.700 in Tel Aviv and I guess I didn't know what to expect because it was all so raw we were actually

00:01:49.440 there almost for three weeks I realized that when I said that said the other day or two weeks but it

00:01:53.680 was actually almost three weeks that we were there right after the attacks as soon as those attacks

00:01:57.520 happened we thought when we were talking and we said all right the the media and the world seems to be

00:02:02.940 on Israel side but they've got about 48 hours and it was a hundred percent right 48 hours as we were

00:02:08.280 landing the narrative was switching even though there was you know there was the rising toll of

00:02:12.760 of number of hostages that we well the rising death toll plus the the number of hostages that

00:02:17.800 have been confirmed and I think now they're at almost 240 um and we didn't know it was eerie when we

00:02:24.900 got there it was really quiet there was no one coming out of their homes uh Israelis were actually for 1.00

00:02:30.060 the first time that I've ever seen and from what I what I understand speaking to you know everyday

00:02:36.580 people but also my family that in the history of Israel have they ever been that scared people just 0.70

00:02:42.000 to leave their home not knowing because they witnessed terrorists actually come into what was

00:02:46.420 considered safe communities it may have received rockets in the past they set up systems to deal with

00:02:51.340 that and it was you know hadn't been for a while so people were really scared there was no one on the

00:02:56.480 streets every store was shut there was actually rules similar to covid restrictions um especially

00:03:03.000 down in the south as to whether you could so a fast food place could be open most were shut but um

00:03:10.300 fast food shops could not you couldn't sit there you couldn't dine in um and as we were there over the

00:03:17.100 three weeks it relaxed from that side a bit so by the end of it I remember when we were first

00:03:22.680 there was this one um supercharged station that we went to because we took a Tesla for the period

00:03:27.780 um Elon Musk had free superchargers the closest supercharged station to the in in the south is in

00:03:33.120 a place called Kirakat massive car park for this outdoor mall which was empty when we originally got

00:03:40.340 there by the end there was a bit of traffic getting in and out of it so it but even talking to the locals

00:03:47.120 they said for this period this time of the year even what we saw at the end is is is dead because

00:03:54.040 people are still staying home in fact schools were still shut they're in a state of war um

00:03:59.860 and it was it was scary and and heartbreaking and and there's such a mix of emotions I can tell you now

00:04:07.100 my head's still um processing what we went through the last three weeks and I almost feel guilty even

00:04:15.540 saying that because what I went through is what I went you know I'm a reporter from Australia

00:04:19.720 that didn't lose anyone don't know personally anyone that was kidnapped but um but I felt you

00:04:27.880 know just as a human as a human doesn't matter about your background watching um those images posted

00:04:34.360 by Hamas themselves plus other witnesses uh the videos that came out and and and the the barbarism

00:04:41.380 the attack the the severity of it and as we learned more and even going through those communities and

00:04:46.000 seeing the aftermath ourselves it it was just hard really hard to take um and then and then on top of

00:04:54.060 that just seeing the world's reaction when it's so clear what's what's happened and what's going on

00:04:59.960 uh but but I'm I'm pretty proud about what we managed to achieve there in those three weeks

00:05:05.520 I'm glad you went and of course to be away from your family is a sacrifice thank you for that and they

00:05:10.540 must have been worried for you of course um like you I was shocked by the images that

00:05:15.620 Hamas bragged about I mean they live streamed it they boasted about it even the Nazis hid the depth 0.94

00:05:23.560 of the uh evil they did because they knew the world would be revolted by it here Hamas calculated 1.00

00:05:29.800 correctly that much of the world would be overjoyed by it and and uh you know the the pogrom the riot

00:05:38.440 at the Dagestan airport over a rumor that a flight from Israel was coming they smashed through the

00:05:44.340 airport smashed on the tarmac were hunting for Jews um it it's unleashed uh a an ancient hatred and

00:05:55.560 violence and barbarism that's shocking I have a little bit of PTSD from what I heard happen there

00:06:01.620 and that's just like you said we've just heard about it imagine living through it knowing someone who

00:06:06.700 was affected by it's not just the 1400 dead thousands wounded absolutely horrifying you were

00:06:13.200 correct when you said that Israel had about two days of sympathy before the world turned on them

00:06:18.100 I felt a little bit like I felt on 9-11 when just for one moment the world loved America because for

00:06:25.960 that one moment America was bleeding and on its knees and yet when America stood up to fight back

00:06:30.240 the world turned against it and that's happened even faster with Israel and never before like 9-11 was 0.92

00:06:38.240 something but that was actually before YouTube and Twitter and Facebook and TikTok and I'm on TikTok and

00:06:44.780 I feel like Hamas and Turkey and Iran have their own direct communications tool into the hearts of 0.93

00:06:54.540 London, New York, Toronto, Melbourne and that's never happened before uh you know during the second world war

00:07:02.160 there was Tokyo Rose and there was Axis Sally those were English language radio uh presenters who would

00:07:10.360 broadcast demoralizing messages to the allied troops but now you have direct into the schools and homes of

00:07:19.000 million of a billion people Hamas propaganda I don't think that's ever happened before and what I'm

00:07:25.760 scared about Avi and this happened in London a couple days ago is a hundred thousand Brits and when I say

00:07:31.980 Brits some of them are British citizens many of them are not but I didn't see a single British flag they

00:07:36.920 have a there is a tribal support for the atrocious attacks praising the terrorist attacks and flipping the

00:07:45.820 script on Israel using the word holocaust against them using the word nazi against them I'm actually

00:07:51.720 more worried about the west than I'm worried about Israel and you're standing in London now what do you

00:07:56.500 think of all that yeah so I was I interviewed um a local rabbi here at the ark just an hour or so ago

00:08:03.180 that which which will obviously publish um in coming days but he said he's planning on running away from

00:08:09.480 London taking his family to Israel and let that sink in a second because I'm telling you now Ezra

00:08:16.560 we were on the front line it was scary we were wearing a bulletproof vest and a and a helmet um

00:08:23.080 right you know running away from rockets at points literally from mortars trying to get to safety I can

00:08:29.760 tell you now I feel safer there in in sterot in southern Israel than I do walking the streets of

00:08:36.360 London now why do I say that is because yep I you know over the next once the war is over

00:08:43.540 we're there's going to be we're going to find out more as to what went wrong but at this point in time

00:08:48.800 certainly Israel was asleep at the wheel on October 7th now since then it's gone into full gear 0.85

00:08:57.120 overdrive we've seen even something that I didn't believe would be possible they've managed to rescue

00:09:02.780 already one of the hostages which which I'll be honest with you I've been in the military and I

00:09:08.560 just did not think it was possible so and I think it's important for the morale of the Israelis to

00:09:13.640 for them to know that it's actually possible and Israel is going to be back and I think that this 1.00

00:09:17.480 needs to be an Entebbe moment for Israel for a number of reasons I think the Israeli population 1.00

00:09:21.800 needs to believe in it I think the Arab world needs to see that Israel is back um but just interrupt 1.00

00:09:27.540 Entebbe for our viewers who don't know was a daring raid when there was a kid uh hijacked plane in

00:09:34.200 Uganda and Israeli special forces flew to Uganda and rescued all the hostages in fact Benjamin Netanyahu

00:09:41.100 um his brother was on that mission and died only death yep so I just just a little bit so so a shock and

00:09:49.020 awe wow moment that gave Israel and Jews a feeling of strength and pride because I also feel a

00:09:55.760 demoralization that the only democracy in the Middle East and the only Jewish country was smashed and

00:10:01.840 surprised and its strength and confidence was dashed and I think that's a psychological injury

00:10:07.800 to the Jews of the world and to the Jewish state absolutely yes so that's why I say there has to be 0.63

00:10:13.220 that kind of Entebbe moment which I which which I'm expecting because that's the only way Israel is 1.00

00:10:17.140 going to win this when you talk about smashing Hamas whatever that means beating Hamas there has to 0.79

00:10:21.420 be something where the world goes okay don't mess with Israel again uh even with all the propaganda but 0.79

00:10:27.080 the reason why I say it's safer there is because now at this point I feel like the the Jews have 1.00

00:10:33.140 you know a defense force they have an army they have an air force they have um the the the iron dome

00:10:39.300 they have the bomb shelters they've built all this to protect the Jews walking in London if I walk in 1.00

00:10:44.140 London and I get recognized by that mob I don't think I'm very safe and I don't feel very safe and

00:10:49.600 and it's not just in my head because you see it on the streets and you talk to every Jew here and

00:10:53.820 they say they know personal stories and and Jews are fleeing Jews are fleeing the west they're fleeing

00:11:00.040 London to go to the war zone for safety you know Israel is obviously in a very dangerous place 1400 0.90

00:11:07.780 people murdered 240 or so kidnapped thousands wounded rockets daily but they have one thing that

00:11:15.340 the UK with all its military might and the United States with its enormous military might they have

00:11:21.820 one thing that the UK and America and Canada don't have which is they have come to the conclusion

00:11:30.860 that the utopia of open borders immigration and that they have they are willing to name the risk

00:11:40.640 and call it by its name whereas here in London where I went sort of in a very low key way

00:11:47.720 to to the 100,000 person march for Hamas and the police made almost no arrest there were some scuffles

00:11:59.560 they didn't invoke any anti-terrorism laws they didn't deport any foreign nationals who were inciting hatred

00:12:07.120 in fact I saw a video of a indigenous Brit who said what's with all these flags he was arrested by

00:12:14.180 police my point is Canada America UK Australia are still in denial every single day thousands of

00:12:22.300 people come who are not with the peaceful prosperity pluralistic we can all get along separation of mosque

00:12:30.980 and state no they're not with that some are there are some refugees from Islamic extremism who are

00:12:37.980 who become perfect Brits and Canadians and Americans but I saw 100,000 people who if they could would

00:12:45.860 well they say it they say they would have an intifada which is a Arabic way basically of saying a pogrom

00:12:52.280 just last night in a tube station a subway station Liverpool subway station here in London

00:13:00.820 hundreds of pro-Hamas supporters shut down the whole subway station and if you were a Jew maybe

00:13:08.320 wearing a kippah or other identifying marks star David maybe in that train station I didn't see any

00:13:16.040 police there might be a few transit cops would you be pogromed like that 500 person pogrom in Dagestan

00:13:25.380 Russia where they were hunting for the Jews I there's a fear here because not just of the enemy but

00:13:31.920 that the that the government has not in any real way realized it's in a war and it's in Dagestan

00:13:41.300 Russia will it come to London and Sydney they were chanting gas the Jews in Sydney and as far as I

00:13:47.640 know no one's being arrested let alone charged let alone deported that's what's scary about London

00:13:53.200 Toronto etc is people are sticking their head in the sand like an ostrich that's what's scary to me

00:14:00.520 I think there's two points that you made that that remind me of two things that are important

00:14:04.400 for the viewers is one when you say about the borders and Israel recognizing the issue something that

00:14:10.060 many outside of Israel don't know is that actually what Israel found on many of the terrorists were

00:14:17.400 hand-drawn maps of each house including as much information as whether they had a dog how many

00:14:23.620 kids and where it turns out this came from was that actually they talk about Gaza being an open-air

00:14:31.320 prison but you can actually get a permit so Palestinians were able to get work permits to work

00:14:36.060 in those southern um communities in a lot of those kibbutzim and it turns out because there were also

00:14:43.040 some of the uh the terrorists that were killed were those same workers that had been coming in using the

00:14:49.020 permits I think now that's going to hurt their system because there's no they're going to rethink

00:14:53.100 the idea which is which is kind of the idea of open border immigration trying to work in a way for peace

00:14:58.660 the idea was the more that you work with your neighbor and you talk every day then you're going to find

00:15:04.140 more in common but in this case it turned out no they acted nice to your face but um they were

00:15:09.020 actually part of this plan to butcher and kill you and uh the other one is here just minutes ago

00:15:15.580 I ran into Jimmy Carr I'm a massive fan of his and I I he's a comedian comedian he's the he's a very 0.98

00:15:22.520 funny comedian and I fangirl fangirled him here and I actually pulled him up and I said hey Jimmy I'm a

00:15:28.520 massive fan I don't think he believed me I thought he was just trying I would love to ask you a few

00:15:31.860 questions he said I'm not doing interviews um but then I put the mic away and I went up to him hey

00:15:36.740 Jimmy I'm I actually am a fan of yours and I wanted to actually ask you because I will do it's off the

00:15:42.760 record but what I was going to ask you is it was last year where an organization he called hope not

00:15:48.540 hate um tried its very best to have him cancelled over a holocaust joke now the joke was it was a part

00:15:56.620 of his Netflix series it was quite a funny joke it's not it's you know it's a bit uh you can see

00:16:03.300 it's a holocaust joke not for everyone but they tried to have him cancelled for a holocaust joke

00:16:08.060 that he clearly didn't mean it's satire and that same organization and and that was widely publicized

00:16:15.940 and they you know they basically got props by the Jewish community organizations were supporting this

00:16:21.120 this hope not hate for that stance to have him cancelled but in the last three weeks that same

00:16:27.580 organization hasn't said a word about the hundreds of thousands that have marched for the street

00:16:32.080 calling for the actual murder of Jews now Jimmy went into an amazing rant after that

00:16:38.580 unfortunately it was uh you know I respected his thing not to be we're not here out to get him I

00:16:45.000 actually think it's an important story for people but that's the reality here they're willing to

00:16:50.080 dig their heads so far in the sand here to protect I don't know why to protect this minority 1.00

00:16:56.500 that's not this weak minority in Britain they're actually more powerful than any other community here

00:17:02.860 and they're willing to protect them against the smallest minority in the world that's that's what is 0.73

00:17:10.960 mind-boggling and that's why if anything it shows us it just demonstrates why Israel is so important

00:17:17.000 for the Jews around the world um its existence is so important because I could first for the first

00:17:23.580 time in my life Ezra I could see how the holocaust actually played out and how it easily happens 0.99

00:17:29.000 you know I I feel the same way and again not for what happened in Israel but for what is happening

00:17:35.480 out here and how you're so right people who are expert at finding microaggressions and triggers and

00:17:43.600 who need safe spaces because you misgendered me I'm a jeezer they them not you know people who

00:17:50.600 claim to be so exquisitely attentive to human rights and feelings are not only silent in the face of these

00:17:58.440 hate marches they're the ones marching in them I uh they never meant it it was all about power

00:18:04.820 and I always come back to what Dr. James Lindsay says the thing is not the issue is not the thing

00:18:10.760 uh the revel the issue is not the issue the revolution is the issue so all these groups these

00:18:16.900 left-wing groups these anti-hate groups these you know gays for Palestine how could it possibly be 0.95

00:18:23.440 you'd be killed in Gaza well because it's a revolution against white people and they say 0.92

00:18:30.560 that Jews are white even though a lot of Israelis are Sephardic it's the decolonization cultural 1.00

00:18:37.060 Marxism we must destroy Israel it's an arm of the west we must bring it down they're the oppressor 0.97

00:18:42.720 um they ascribe to is even though Israel has been victimized for millennia they they call it the 0.81

00:18:50.240 oppressor even though there's 33 Muslim countries Israel is the odious one I don't know I I find 1.00

00:18:56.880 these are dark days and I'm not sure how much appetite our audience has for it because I've

00:19:00.960 been talking about it almost every day but I would say that I would talk I talked about 9-11 every day

00:19:05.960 for a very long time also and I see that this will engulf if God forbid it the fires keep burning

00:19:13.040 it'll engulf more than just Israel I mean it's bizarre to me that Bolivia has cut diplomatic ties

00:19:19.120 with Israel and Yemen has declared war um I think that you know you're I think your family was from

00:19:28.360 Yemen originally tell me a little bit about that like your name is Yemeni is it I think it's the

00:19:34.580 Houthis um terrorist group Iran's uh agents in Yemen it's all a proxy war and that's the thing like

00:19:41.260 you've got Iranian and people it's bizarre seeing the what I'm calling the unholy alliances whether 1.00

00:19:46.580 it's on the streets of London with these socialists left which by the way you see the Palestinians kind 1.00

00:19:51.460 of looking at them in some cases actually ripping these gay flags out of their hands um but even

00:19:56.620 the ones that are accepting them they're accept they're accepting them for now um once they're done 0.67

00:20:01.920 with the Jews they're going to go for the gays like it's you don't have just read their own 1.00

00:20:06.120 charter to know that um or just see the way they treat gays in Gaza to be able to to be able to 0.94

00:20:12.320 predict what's going to happen if they actually get their way either in Israel or here you know

00:20:18.140 you make me you remind me of a video I just saw this morning of a Hamas leader saying there will

00:20:24.260 be another attack that they want to kill another 1400 and again and again they called their their

00:20:28.960 mission Al-Aqsa flood because they were flooding into Israel and the Hamas leadership says oh we will do

00:20:35.100 this again it was succлять we'll do it again again and again here take a quick look at that

00:21:05.100 yeah of course we're not at best of it

00:21:34.480 It's justified, mubarra.

00:21:54.800 When the enemies of Israel say, cease fire,

00:21:59.600 they're not saying, cease fire to Hamas.

00:22:01.160 Hamas is firing rockets every day. 0.96

00:22:02.900 They're not saying ceasefire to the guy who just said we want to rape and murder 1,400 more.

00:22:07.120 They're saying ceasefire to Israel as if it was on the day after 9-11 or the day after Pearl Harbor.

00:22:13.180 Sorry, I interrupted you.

00:22:14.520 All while not releasing the hostages.

00:22:17.100 That's what you remember.

00:22:18.380 That was a horrific attack on October 7th.

00:22:21.820 But the ongoing attack, the fact that they still hold on to mostly civilian hostages.

00:22:26.200 Including babies, for God's sake.

00:22:28.220 Including babies.

00:22:29.120 And that the world tells Israel to ceasefire.

00:22:32.060 Listen, I think Israel needs to do what it should have done a long time ago. 0.97

00:22:35.640 And that's ignore the world.

00:22:37.360 Do what's in its own interest.

00:22:43.280 Because its existence relies on this.

00:22:46.120 It depends on this.

00:22:47.480 If Israel listens to the world, seizes fire, lets them have the hostages. 0.98

00:22:53.520 There is going to be no Israel in the very near future. 0.99

00:22:57.460 You know, we're at this conference.

00:22:59.800 And it's a wonderful conference.

00:23:00.620 I've learned a lot.

00:23:01.260 I've met a lot of interesting people.

00:23:02.960 I'm still trying to understand a little bit about where this conference is going.

00:23:05.860 And that's fine.

00:23:06.360 It's only its first year.

00:23:08.000 It's a smashing success.

00:23:10.300 It's been a freedom-oriented conference.

00:23:12.280 I'd call it a little bit conservative.

00:23:13.900 They're talking about values.

00:23:15.260 There's an interesting speaker.

00:23:17.680 Catherine Burble-Singh, who's the head of the Michael Academy here, which is the multiracial, multiethnic school.

00:23:22.820 She's talking about how it's important to have patriotic values because if you don't give newcomers of different races and religions a tribe called the UK, sing patriotic songs, fly the flag.

00:23:34.420 If you don't give them that sense of belonging and tribalism, they'll revert to ethnic or racial tribes.

00:23:39.400 So I thought it was a beautiful speech and very inspiring.

00:23:42.300 So there's some excellent content here.

00:23:44.940 And there's a lot of people here who care very much about what we're talking about.

00:23:49.840 But look, life goes on for everyone here.

00:23:52.560 And some people care.

00:23:54.580 And I'm not talking about this conference.

00:23:55.780 I'm just talking about life in general.

00:23:56.960 You know, the 100,000 people marched for Hamas the other day.

00:24:04.160 And I'm sure some people thought, oh, those are customers.

00:24:06.500 How do I get the customer base?

00:24:08.680 I mean, I guess what I'm saying is, in reference to what you said at the beginning of our conversation, it is possible to see how the Holocaust can happen. 0.89

00:24:18.340 Because there are good people who are upset by this.

00:24:20.960 And there are also some people who aren't that upset.

00:24:23.900 And then there's most people in the world who say, well, I'll be fine.

00:24:26.960 And I'll just, you know, be a little bit more careful of my P's and Q's. 1.00

00:24:31.940 But they're not going to kill me.

00:24:33.540 And I am worried that too many people either don't care or maybe it unlocks a surprising latent anti-Semitism.

00:24:43.540 I'm not calling everyone anti-Semitic.

00:24:44.980 I don't do that.

00:24:46.520 But there are some people who have startled me.

00:24:49.580 People who I've worked with and have known have startled me with, like, just outright anti-Semitic.

00:24:55.780 Like, Hitler was right. 1.00

00:24:58.320 And you know what the Jews are like. 1.00

00:25:01.200 And they deserve, like, shocking. 0.83

00:25:02.820 Like, not political commentary about, well, we should have this peace plan instead of that peace plan.

00:25:07.240 People are saying essentially what Hamas is saying.

00:25:10.460 And I guess it is the oldest hatred.

00:25:12.920 And I guess, and it's just so weird to see it pop up in Bolivia.

00:25:17.680 But why should I be surprised?

00:25:19.220 It pops up everywhere.

00:25:20.440 It pops up in places that there are no Jews.

00:25:23.020 Yemen kicked out its Jews.

00:25:24.360 And yet Yemen is still anti-Semitic. 0.87

00:25:27.380 Yeah.

00:25:27.780 But Yemen's been anti-Semitic for a very long time.

00:25:30.300 They've had an Islamist issue there for, you know.

00:25:33.500 My family escaped Yemen in 1948 because it did turn against the local Jews.

00:25:43.380 And that's kind of what we're seeing today on a grander scale in the West as well.

00:25:47.700 It's the local, you know, taking the Middle East conflict and feeling however you do about it

00:25:53.760 and taking your position and basically targeting your local Jewish population.

00:26:01.720 That's what's happened historically since 1948 anyways.

00:26:05.660 But, yeah, Yemen is a, it's declaring war.

00:26:10.800 It's just, it's trying to make it into something that they're trying to draw Israel into that war with Iran.

00:26:17.780 And it's this alliance between Iran, Russia, China, who really, I blame for all of this, is the Biden administration.

00:26:24.420 Because I think that this wouldn't have happened under Trump.

00:26:28.080 We wouldn't have got this far.

00:26:29.800 It would have been, first, Ukraine happened because of Biden's failures and now this.

00:26:35.360 And it's, all it is, it's a power thing between, a show of power.

00:26:40.400 And it's that alliance testing out America here.

00:26:43.620 I feel like they saw they can get away with whatever they want with, in Ukraine.

00:26:48.900 They realized that Biden was just tough talk, no action, even though they received so much from Ukraine at the time.

00:26:57.340 But they didn't actually back up who they promised they would, or not at least in a way that was more than some sort of funding.

00:27:04.540 And that's all being withdrawn.

00:27:05.760 And whatever people feel, however they want about the Ukraine war, I think this war is very different.

00:27:09.820 The only thing that's consistent through it is that I feel the reason behind it, the Russia, China, Iranian power shift, is what this is really about.

00:27:24.780 And for that alliance, this is a, well, Russia in Ukraine has a specific thing.

00:27:28.640 But for the rest of them, for this alliance, it's about dominating and taking control and shifting away from the America, the West, basically holding, pushing the democratic values around the world.

00:27:42.180 And it's scary because who knows, who knows how this is going to play out and whether it's going to grow into something bigger.

00:27:49.320 I really hope it won't.

00:27:50.980 And I hope that, you know, the hostages are released and Hamas is dismantled sooner rather than later.

00:27:57.080 So that not only the Israelis can get back to life and healing from this, but also the Palestinian civilians, at least the innocent ones. 0.99

00:28:08.040 You remember this, that it's not talked about a lot because we often talk about the innocent civilians caught up in the middle of it.

00:28:14.440 But what people don't realise or purposely avoid is the fact that when Hamas went in on October 7, they cleared the way. 0.96

00:28:24.260 In fact, our latest interview with the soldier who was an unarmed civilian, he's a reserve soldier now, but at the time he was an unarmed civilian who went to fight Hamas until he got a gun, went to fight Hamas as his 15 of his friends were butchered.

00:28:38.820 He said what he witnessed with his own eyes was the fact that Hamas was actually just going through, shooting the soldiers, shooting anyone with guns, killing a bunch of people.

00:28:46.900 But he goes, the brutality, the rapes and the cutting open of pregnant women, the beheading, the, you know, all these, many of the really barbaric atrocities were actually committed by civilians that had followed Hamas in, not the Hamas terrorists themselves.

00:29:05.760 Here, let's watch a quick clip of that interview.

00:29:07.500 So tell us, let him tell us what happened.

00:29:09.840 Tagid, what happened?

00:29:11.500 So, 645 I got out of the room, in 6.5 was the prisoners.

00:29:19.900 645 I got out of the room, I went to the new search for the new search, in the Yasha, which is, you can see from there, the 2-3-2.

00:29:28.900 I looked at, I saw 70-50 men, something like this, a certain number of men, on the UF and Tender.

00:29:34.960 I didn't understand what I saw.

00:29:37.300 I opened up a person from the house, said that the friends who didn't get hurt, I lost it to the station.

00:29:42.920 I left again, I took a friend, I got a friend that all the friends who didn't get hurt, in the car, they got out of the 2-3-2.

00:29:50.960 So, I got out of them, certainly, I got out of the sun.

00:29:53.100 I took it to the interior, and then he came to Ezgen Rav Shat's dashiyash fortunately.

00:30:01.840 He came to Kant.

00:30:06.480 Went home, we finally focused on watching what happened.

00:30:11.500 Me of the M. Asshahtrade, we talked about some attackBrusha. 1.00

00:30:18.340 There was a boat

00:30:48.340 two hours travelled

00:30:52.520 12 kuntides starting

00:30:55.340 sh là

00:30:56.380 then I walked out of school

00:30:58.340 treed stan

00:31:00.340 th이랑

00:31:02.340 deltene

00:31:05.260 then we shot

00:31:06.340 and stood

00:31:07.480 me for thellan

00:31:09.340 he called it

00:31:10.340 the f Jong

00:31:12.340 then we Holly

00:31:14.340 from here and to the other side

00:31:16.340 all this

00:31:21.820 I became ordinary

00:31:43.960 First one, it was not direct,

00:31:46.700 as first says we started to kill our friends,

00:31:48.320 and saw us already

00:31:53.700 That is nice, so I found myself in it

00:31:55.580 when the rel Zwift Land

00:32:00.620 And this is all happened

00:32:02.200 at the same time, after all of this,

00:32:04.740 we started to run out on ourselves

00:32:07.220 we directly managed by setti in the,

00:32:08.200 on the after that,

00:32:11.000 so we took two men in the city,

00:32:13.940 they took all sway прибrogщ我想 and took sight on it in the area

00:32:18.840 and they were very hard jobs,

00:32:21.660 a job job in Michigan.

00:32:23.620 Then schuting them,

00:32:24.840 we startedikt fire at the end,

00:32:27.880 and this is where ever when you are.

00:32:30.100 So you heard everything the Experian at this time?

00:32:32.360 I'm not a work at paper.

00:32:35.320 I'm just

00:32:37.100 I realized that something is happening here, I lived 18 years in Moshav Yesha, I've known

00:32:48.100 that the development was not very severe, but we started to see the trees, because

00:32:54.100 it opened up.

00:32:55.100 Well, Avi, I actually meant to talk to you about the ARC conference, and let me say

00:33:00.100 this, my comment earlier about people continuing along with their lives, that's not a disparagement

00:33:05.100 conference.

00:33:06.100 There are people here who are very concerned about the war, and there are people who are

00:33:09.100 concerned about antisemitism, but look, for most people, life goes on.

00:33:13.100 And I think in the 1930s, in London, in America, in Australia, there were people who were really

00:33:20.100 worried, but then there were other people who said, look, life goes on, and that's not

00:33:24.100 really my fight, and the world was soon consumed by flames.

00:33:28.100 And I hope it's not, but if you look at the trends, I mean, Joe Biden, as you say, is

00:33:32.100 completely weak.

00:33:33.100 And Rishi Sunak here in the UK, he's going to lose and be replaced by Keir Starmer, the

00:33:39.100 Labour leader, and they're going to be far worse.

00:33:41.100 They are a deeply pro-Hamas party. 0.98

00:33:45.100 And Canada has that fool Justin Trudeau. 0.94

00:33:48.100 And Germany and France talk about deporting extremists, but they haven't. 0.97

00:33:52.100 And I, you know, look, it's not one man who would save the world if Donald Trump were

00:33:57.100 a president that doesn't work that way, but there is no leader.

00:34:01.100 I don't know where the world's leaders are here.

00:34:03.100 And I fear, as Yates said in his poem, The Second Coming, that the best lack all conviction,

00:34:12.100 and the worst are full of passionate intensity.

00:34:16.100 And that's what I saw on the streets here.

00:34:18.100 I saw 100,000 people full of passionate intensity for what?

00:34:23.100 They wanted the destruction of Israel.

00:34:25.100 They were calling for war.

00:34:27.100 They used the word ceasefire, but not for Hamas to cease fire against Israel.

00:34:33.100 Look, we talk about a lot of different things.

00:34:35.100 I mean, you're going back to Melbourne and you cover the referendum there, the ethnic set

00:34:41.100 aside called The Voice, and that was very interesting.

00:34:44.100 We were in New Zealand together, and that was very interesting.

00:34:47.100 And there's a lot of issues in Australia and Canada and in the world that we do cover.

00:34:51.100 But I do believe that the world changed as much on October 7th as it did on 9-11.

00:34:56.100 And people might say, no, that can't be.

00:34:58.100 How is that true?

00:34:59.100 Well, look at how things are realigning.

00:35:02.100 And I fear that the world has taken a step towards barbarism.

00:35:06.100 My God, I hope I'm wrong.

00:35:08.100 You know, the worst thing in the world, Avi, is to say, I told you so.

00:35:11.100 People love saying it.

00:35:13.100 I told you so.

00:35:14.100 I told you so.

00:35:15.100 There is no worse thing in the world than to be able to say, I told you so.

00:35:19.100 At least if you're a worrier about the course the world is on.

00:35:24.100 Let me give you the last word, and maybe you can say something more positive.

00:35:28.100 I don't know.

00:35:29.100 Look, I have been in a bit of a fog because it has been the heaviest story that I've followed,

00:35:34.100 the heaviest three weeks in my work.

00:35:38.100 You know, COVID was hard times, but this was a big bang real quick and for all the reasons we just mentioned.

00:35:45.100 But I think to what you were saying a minute ago where so much of the world, it's not the apathy that actually bothers me that much.

00:35:54.100 Like, I think people shouldn't be apathetic, especially when the other side is so vocal and heading to the streets that way.

00:36:00.100 Like, you shouldn't walk by that.

00:36:02.100 If you see somebody bullying, you know, you should stand up.

00:36:05.100 I know that's an Australian trait is to stand up and defend those that are being attacked by the mob.

00:36:12.100 But my bigger problem is with those who purport or pretend, and especially with large platforms, to say,

00:36:19.100 we want to stay out of no more wars, no more wars, yet they're dictating to Israel how they should run. 0.60

00:36:26.100 What I would say to those people, if you want to stay out of wars, just stay out of it.

00:36:31.100 If you think that we shouldn't get involved, don't get involved.

00:36:34.100 But you, on one hand, talking about staying out of the war, but really you mean,

00:36:39.100 screw Israel, we don't care what happens to that country. 1.00

00:36:42.100 No, you don't like it. 0.99

00:36:44.100 You want us to stay out of it, stay out of it.

00:36:46.100 Let Israel handle it because I can promise you now Israel will, at the end of the day, like every war in history, 1.00

00:36:52.100 they'll come out of it and they will, you know, they will learn from it and they will defend their people

00:36:58.100 because their existence depends on it.

00:37:00.100 Well, we talked a lot about Israel.

00:37:02.100 Of course, the thing that scares me the most is how it is back home in Canada.

00:37:06.100 I saw this image of a woman who was punched in the face.

00:37:10.100 And, you know, there are reports of assaults, threats at universities, including York University,

00:37:17.100 which is probably the most highest Jewish percentage of kids in all of Canada.

00:37:24.100 There's threats, there's assaults.

00:37:28.100 That's what scares me as a Canadian.

00:37:30.100 I mean, I love Israel, I visited it, but I am a Canadian.

00:37:34.100 That's my home.

00:37:35.100 It's where my family has been for 120 years.

00:37:38.100 And I wonder if the next 120 years will be as peaceful as the last 120 years.

00:37:44.100 That's it for us here in London at the ARC conference.

00:37:48.100 We didn't really talk that much about the ARC conference, but it is something we're going to keep our eye on.

00:37:52.100 As you know, Jordan Peterson imagined it as a counterpoint to the World Economic Forum.

00:37:58.100 And we'll see how it goes.

00:38:00.100 I'm hoping for the best.

00:38:01.100 We like Jordan Peterson.

00:38:02.100 As you know, Rebel News has been an ally of his since his University of Toronto days.

00:38:07.100 I'm proud of the fact that we actually helped him.

00:38:09.100 You might recall when he got started, the Government of Canada cut off all his research grants.

00:38:14.100 And I don't know if you remember this, but Rebel News crowdfunded about $100,000 and gave it to him to replace those government grants.

00:38:21.100 So we've been on Team Peterson for a long time.

00:38:25.100 We'll call it quits there, but we'll have more for you.

00:38:28.100 Avi is going to have a book launch tomorrow night if this airs on Thursday night.

00:38:35.100 And we'll have news from that because having a public book event in London for Avi Yamini,

00:38:42.100 well, there's 100,000 people I know who wouldn't like that too much.

00:38:46.100 Hopefully it'll be safe and go forward.

00:38:48.100 There have been some cancel attempts on the event, but the event venue is holding strong.

00:38:53.100 Until next time, on behalf of all of us at Rebel, well, we're not in the world headquarters,

00:38:59.100 Rebel London Outpost, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:39:04.100 We're fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - November 02, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Catching up with Avi Yemini after his journalistic tour of duty in Israel

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