Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Charlie Kirk's assassination tried to silence conservative voices

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00:00:23.780 Ezra Levant here for Rebel News.

00:00:30.840 It's the day after Charlie Kirk was assassinated in the United States, and it still weighs heavily on my mind.

00:00:37.820 I'm in London, in the U.K. right now, a country that Charlie cared about.

00:00:42.420 He came over here to warn the U.K. about losing its freedom, and he spoke passionately.

00:00:47.880 And as Charlie Kirk is famous for doing, he engages in debate.

00:00:51.640 He would go into the heart of university campuses and spend all day talking one-on-one in conversations with people who disagreed with him, trying to reason together.

00:01:02.020 He was the best of America in that way.

00:01:05.760 He didn't shout. He didn't lecture. He engaged. It was participative.

00:01:11.660 And I think he treated everyone with respect, even people he deeply disagreed with.

00:01:15.940 And his assassination is so shocking, in part because of that, because he was such a humanitarian, and he would have time even for people who deeply disagreed with him.

00:01:28.640 I've been thinking about what the assassins wanted to accomplish, and I think some of it's obvious.

00:01:35.560 The first thing they wanted to stop, Charlie Kirk himself.

00:01:39.440 He's one in a million. He's hard-working, intelligent, effective.

00:01:44.840 He's a born leader, recruiter.

00:01:47.300 So they wanted to stop that man, and they did.

00:01:52.020 He will no longer do his campus outreach, and Charlie Kirk probably would have eventually run for office himself, and who knows how high he would have gone.

00:02:00.840 So that wonderful life was stopped short.

00:02:03.820 He was only 31.

00:02:04.740 So in that way, the terrorism that was unleashed yesterday was successful.

00:02:12.320 There were two other things I think the assassin was trying to do.

00:02:15.780 One was to demoralize us, to make us feel hopeless, to make us realize that we can never get Charlie Kirk back,

00:02:24.600 and that maybe the world we live in is not what we thought it was, to make us question ourselves and lose our own motivation.

00:02:31.460 And the third, of course, is to scare us, to make us think, well, will we be killed for our freedom of speech and for being in the public square also?

00:02:41.680 And here's what I would say in response to all three of these goals from the assassin.

00:02:47.180 It's true they killed Charlie Kirk, but if Charlie Kirk's supporters and friends choose,

00:02:54.120 rather than to leave the field of the battle of ideas, but rather than to double down and to reinvest,

00:03:02.380 maybe we can in some way compensate for Charlie's untimely death.

00:03:09.040 And maybe if we all say, well, I'll take a part of the load he was carrying, maybe we can blunt the public effect of it.

00:03:15.460 Obviously, no one can bring the man back, especially for his two young children.

00:03:21.620 If instead of being demoralized, if we show resolve and say we cannot let the bad guys win

00:03:27.900 and just make a conscious, intentional decision that we're not going to flee, we're not going to hide,

00:03:36.000 we're not going to do less.

00:03:37.540 In fact, if anything, this makes our work more urgent.

00:03:39.820 And the last one is to be afraid.

00:03:43.260 You can't really control your emotions about being afraid.

00:03:47.480 It is afraid.

00:03:49.400 You know, the fact that a clearly professional assassination can happen, it's terrifying.

00:03:54.760 And I'm in the UK in part because on Saturday, Tommy Robinson is hosting a big freedom rally for freedom of speech.

00:04:01.460 Tommy was an ally of Charlie Kirk.

00:04:05.580 And I'm wondering, will there be violence there?

00:04:07.900 God forbid, will someone try and take out Tommy Robinson?

00:04:11.660 They have before, they've tried.

00:04:14.400 And I think the answer is to take precautions, to be thoughtful about things, not to be reckless,

00:04:19.860 but again, to show up in large numbers.

00:04:23.080 And in a way, Charlie Kirk is a martyr.

00:04:26.720 And the thing to do is to remember how the martyr lived and to try and replicate what made him so special in our own lives.

00:04:34.480 I guess what I'm saying is we have a choice.

00:04:38.560 We cannot bring Charlie Kirk back, but we have control over how we react to his murder.

00:04:44.540 And I want to get over my funk and my sadness about Charlie Kirk's passing and transform that into resolve and, if I can, a little bit of courage.

00:04:57.220 And maybe that's the best way to remember Charlie Kirk is to carry a little piece of his memory with us

00:05:05.480 and to try and be a little more courageous and a little more fearless than they were before.

00:05:11.100 I know these words are very little comfort in the day after his death.

00:05:23.120 And I'm actually stunned by how many people all around the world were touched by him.

00:05:28.260 I see even foreign leaders, even Canada's prime minister, made a comment, even Keir Starmer here in the UK.

00:05:36.340 And I think that's a testament to the force for good of Charlie Kirk.

00:05:40.840 I apologize for this ramble.

00:05:42.600 I didn't write it out.

00:05:43.480 I'm just giving you my thoughts as they come to me.

00:05:46.400 But as the publisher of Rebel News and as an advocate for some of the same things that Charlie Kirk advocated for,

00:05:53.300 let me promise to you that I will redouble my efforts as a response to his assassination.

00:05:59.400 For Rebel News, I'm Ezra LeVance.

00:06:09.280 This is Rebel Roundup, and I'm joined by my friend and colleague Tamera Ugolini.

00:06:14.120 It's, I think, a dark day for the conservative movement.

00:06:16.680 I think we're all trying to process what happened yesterday with the execution, political execution of Charlie Kirk.

00:06:25.560 And it's also the 24th anniversary of the 9-11 attack.

00:06:29.880 So it's a real somber day for our American friends.

00:06:35.040 Are you like me, Tamera, where it just sort of seems surreal?

00:06:38.760 I'm angry.

00:06:39.740 I am, I don't know if I feel anything other than just anger, visceral anger at what happened.

00:06:47.140 I know there are other people who are, you know, like, this is a time for healing.

00:06:50.480 I'm not there yet.

00:06:51.800 I don't know about you.

00:06:53.340 Yeah, somber is definitely a great word to describe how today feels.

00:06:58.420 And I was really hoping, you know, and the news hit yesterday, and just the shock of Charlie's untimely death as a young 31-year-old father.

00:07:10.340 31.

00:07:11.460 Husband with an entire life supposed to be ahead of him.

00:07:15.320 I was hoping that by now I would have done a little bit more processing and be able to have collected myself a little bit more than I did yesterday.

00:07:25.260 And I'll be honest that I haven't.

00:07:29.260 This is just absolutely devastating news.

00:07:32.820 And anyone that I speak to is equally as devastated and somber and praying for Charlie's wife, their two children.

00:07:42.660 As someone who's obviously married and has children of my own, just that dark thought of being in that situation is unfathomable.

00:07:53.180 And I thought I would have more words, you know, as a commentator.

00:07:59.520 I just really don't, other than trying to uphold the legacy that was Charlie Kirk and his ability to tap into the political will and political power of young people across America.

00:08:18.340 And, you know, the ricochet effect that we can glean from that here in Canada, where he built this, you know, over the course of several years, he built this massive movement through the very same events that took his life yesterday at a university campus in Utah.

00:08:37.700 Um, it's just, it's just, it's so disturbing that at a place that is supposed to ignite discussion and debate and critical thinking.

00:08:49.700 And, uh, it could also be the site of such political persecution and prosecution, as you say, and assassination.

00:09:00.060 Um, he reached millions in his podcast.

00:09:03.140 And that is such, you know, other than the obvious loss to his wife, his family, his children, um, that is such a loss to those, the young conservatives who he was influential in, in initiating that open discourse and that dialogue.

00:09:21.660 And I think the only thing that Charlie Kirk is guilty of here is having respectful, open public discussion about controversial topics that, you know, the establishment would rather you just cower away from.

00:09:35.940 Um, and sadly, I think there will be two sides to this situation where it does serve to stifle that discussion, uh, for people who may be terrified now, even more terrified than they were previously into submission to the narrative, to the establishment.

00:09:51.880 But I think it will also serve to embolden, um, people to, to live his legacy through and live on by saying, you know what, no, we need to make sure that we continue to have these conversations.

00:10:04.000 We need to continue to have this dialogue.

00:10:07.340 And, um, I really hope to see more of that because there are so many amazing clips and I hope we can go through some of them of Charlie Kirk's speeches, his talks, his debates, his discussions that, um, we will not let die.

00:10:21.680 Yeah.

00:10:22.060 I mean, there are things in recent history that, you know, you can remember exactly what you were doing when, when you heard the news.

00:10:29.240 Like, I remember what I was doing when Princess Diana died.

00:10:31.540 I remember what I was doing when the towers fell.

00:10:34.980 I remember exactly what I was doing when I found out that Andrew Breitbart had died.

00:10:39.820 Cause you just knew that these were things that in an instant changed everything.

00:10:45.560 And, uh, I know exactly what I was doing yesterday and I don't think I'll ever forget because, uh, and I was giving some thought to this because it is 9-11 today.

00:10:56.500 And I remember the coming together of everybody post 9-11, like everybody was an American that day.

00:11:04.280 Yeah.

00:11:04.900 And this is the opposite.

00:11:06.200 That even people like the people whose rhetoric led to the weaponization of the person or persons who did this still won't shut up.

00:11:21.760 You know, when you go around telling everybody that you go around telling the punch a Nazi crowd, that, uh, not only is Charlie Kirk a Nazi, everybody who agrees with Charlie or even just agrees with his viewpoint that we should engage in civil debate.

00:11:38.580 They're also Nazis too. 0.55

00:11:40.720 Oh, and by the way, they're also genociding you by not affirming you.

00:11:45.000 Well, then what would you do if someone was genociding you?

00:11:47.480 You would meet them with deadly force and now we've got it.

00:11:50.940 And you would think, you would think they would have changed after Trump was very nearly killed twice on the campaign trail.

00:11:58.720 But, you know, you still, I also remember where I was when I heard that Steve Scalise was shot in 2017 while playing baseball.

00:12:07.420 That was an attempted political assassination.

00:12:10.620 And you think things would have changed then?

00:12:12.780 But no, um, you, you keep saying, you know, like you as, like us as a society, we keep saying this, we got to bring the temperature down because somebody is going to get killed.

00:12:21.180 And then somebody gets killed and the temperature is just as hot as ever.

00:12:25.440 And I don't know what to do with my anger today.

00:12:29.260 Um, but there are plenty of people on our side who have been thrown around the word Nazi, trying to get liked by the punch Nazi crowd, maligning their, uh, critics.

00:12:38.440 And I don't think we should let those people recede into the bushes, embarrassed Homer Simpson mean style either.

00:12:44.200 I think those people need to be called out tougher than ever.

00:12:46.980 Let's get, uh, we could, I could just rant about this, uh, forever, but you, and we do have some guests on the show today, hopefully that will join us.

00:12:55.940 We've got Libby Emmons.

00:12:57.200 She's the editor in chief over at post-millennial and human events.

00:13:00.100 And, uh, we should have Viva Fry, uh, joining us later in the show, David Fryheit.

00:13:06.140 Um, he's in, he's a Canadian in America.

00:13:09.320 So I think he has a unique, uh, viewpoint on this, but you wrote this up today.

00:13:13.860 Anyway, tone deaf, mainstream media host fired following Charlie Kirk murder commentary.

00:13:19.240 Uh, I hope there are many, many, many firings coming up in academia and otherwise, and we'll get to those, but tell us what happened here, Tamara.

00:13:27.460 Yeah.

00:13:27.780 And before we do, it's not to say that anyone should be, uh, you know, the government should come after people.

00:13:33.780 No, I don't want them arrested.

00:13:34.900 For wrong thing, but to be so out of touch and so tone deaf to the tragic loss of life of a father, a husband, and someone who had amassed such a massive following bred from positivity.

00:13:52.740 I view Charlie Kirk's commentary as positive, open dialogue and discussion that is obviously so desperately needed in this world.

00:14:04.240 And, uh, so here we have the first of, as you mentioned, Sheila, perhaps a string of firings, um, that will take place.

00:14:11.860 But this comes from an MSNBC political analyst, Matthew Dowd, who was fired after suggesting on air, right?

00:14:20.060 Like just as this was breaking news that Charlie Kirk was somehow responsible for or contributed to his own assassination.

00:14:28.200 And I'm going to read through this article while also, um, throwing to some of these highlights, because I think that it is so important for everyone to see the kind of response that the mainstream media and the collectivists are having to this tragedy.

00:14:47.660 Um, and I think it was Charlie Kirk who actually said himself, you can judge someone by how they react when someone dies.

00:14:57.060 Yeah.

00:14:58.200 And that's what I've done in this.

00:14:59.940 Well, I haven't, I haven't judged them.

00:15:01.260 I mean, I'm sure you can glean, but I've just broken down who has kind of said what.

00:15:05.720 And so let's read through this.

00:15:07.960 Uh, MSNBC has canned political analyst, Matthew Dowd, after his jaw dropping the insensitive remarks following the tragic assassination of conservative firebrand Charlie Kirk.

00:15:18.340 During a live broadcast, Dowd essentially implied that Kirk's bold, unapologetic takes on everything from gun rights to civil liberties,

00:15:25.860 somehow invited the bullet that ended his life at the young age of 31.

00:15:30.960 Um, you can't stop with these sorts of awful thoughts you have, and then saying these awful words and then not expect awful actions to take place.

00:15:40.640 Right.

00:15:41.200 He shouldn't have been wearing that short skirt if he didn't want all that unwanted male attention.

00:15:45.260 Oh, we'll get to the victim blaming.

00:15:47.940 He said, you know, he, he says this as though debating liberal views or questioning them or having open dialogue about them is some sort of capital offense.

00:15:55.140 MSNBC is now appearing to scramble to save face, um, following the backlash of this commentary, calling Dowd's words inappropriate, insensitive, and unacceptable.

00:16:07.760 Sadly, what's equal parts shocking and utterly predictable is that this is not an isolated incident in the United States.

00:16:15.240 Here in Canada, our taxpayer-funded propaganda machine, the state broadcaster, CBC, has pulled a similar stunt.

00:16:23.000 And before I continue on, maybe we can just play this little clip from the CBC, what they were saying.

00:16:30.760 It's exactly who you think it is.

00:16:32.540 Live on air.

00:16:33.600 It's one of two people.

00:16:35.500 Make your guess right now.

00:16:38.800 I mean, look, Charlie Kirk, and I don't say any of this to disparage him, but was a controversial polarizing figure.

00:16:46.460 Right?

00:16:46.560 The provocations, uh, these university tours, he's going to these campuses, you know, to sort of, um, provocation and confrontation and debate and argument was a big part of what he did with this Turning Point USA.

00:16:59.460 But he was very close to Donald Trump, who was ordered all U.S. flags to be lowered in honor of Charlie Kirk for his murder today.

00:17:07.100 You can see right there.

00:17:08.280 Uh, is that the White House?

00:17:09.840 I think that's the White House.

00:17:11.160 So, this, this speaks to his importance and central role to Donald Trump, Katie.

00:17:17.000 I mean, look, Charlie Kirk.

00:17:18.180 Wow.

00:17:19.160 And we'll get to more, there's a couple more clips of, of David Cochran there as well, who's, uh, host of Power of Politics on the state broadcaster.

00:17:28.120 Um, and so.

00:17:30.480 Hey, I'm going to ask, uh, Olivia to dig up a clip. 0.69

00:17:33.600 Um, because I want to show what normal people's reactions are.

00:17:38.040 The people who knew Charlie Kirk, can you, uh, bring up the reaction from Megyn Kelly and Glenn Beck?

00:17:47.580 Glenn Beck's kids were in the crowd that day, by the way.

00:17:51.040 Um, bring that up.

00:17:52.420 That's what normal people react to these things.

00:17:57.180 That's how they, how a human being.

00:17:59.540 But to say that Charlie Kirk, his mere existence was provocation.

00:18:03.660 No, people can defend themselves.

00:18:05.320 Thank you for bringing this up.

00:18:06.820 These are the two of them who knew Charlie very well, finding out live on air together that Charlie died.

00:18:16.360 They're reporting that Charlie has died.

00:18:21.660 That he's dead.

00:18:24.120 At the age of 31.

00:18:29.540 They're trying to comfort themselves with the knowledge that it was fast.

00:18:59.520 And then you have people like David Cochran saying, maybe he brought it on himself.

00:19:07.500 And it doesn't stop there.

00:19:09.820 This is just near after, near hours after it was, it was confirmed that Charlie had succumbed to his injuries.

00:19:18.880 The CBC dropped the headline.

00:19:21.000 Some of Charlie Kirk's most controversial takes.

00:19:25.540 My God.

00:19:26.120 I mean, talk about, oh, I say it in the article, kicking a man when he's down.

00:19:32.040 Instead of, you know, mourning like we just saw from humans and people that knew Kirk personally.

00:19:39.780 Um, mourning that father, that husband, a friend, a defender of free speech.

00:19:46.000 Someone who engaged in respectful discourse.

00:19:48.840 It dredged up these criticisms of liberal views as if, you know, to capitalize on his death as some sort of like gotcha moment.

00:19:57.500 Look at what will happen to you if these are your views.

00:20:01.160 You know, a normal publication would say, uh, maybe they could have dug up the times where Charlie was threatened by somebody in the audience.

00:20:14.420 Like, these are the times over the years where he was threatened by maniacs in the audience.

00:20:21.200 Was screamed at by them and still reacted calmly and civilly, um, to show, you know, instead they're trying to make Charlie the bad guy here.

00:20:32.960 But he was the victim of a bad guy and it was escalating over years and years and years.

00:20:39.340 I was listening to Steven Crowder this morning.

00:20:41.880 Um, and you know, he was sort of going through all the times because he is the, you know, the guy who sits down at the table and says, prove me wrong.

00:20:50.080 Um, which is a discussion and they would have stuff thrown at them. 0.91

00:20:54.700 And if you could throw something at somebody, you could shoot them, right? 0.96

00:20:57.680 It's the same. 1.00

00:20:58.840 You can be that if you can get that close and wing something at somebody, well, it's easy to shoot them.

00:21:03.660 And he was going through all the times where he's just having to, trying to have a civil discussion.

00:21:07.880 People walk up, scream at him and then assault him or his crew.

00:21:11.440 And so it's a pernicious and systemic problem, uh, and it's not going to get any better when the mainstream media keeps saying, well, you kind of brought it on yourself.

00:21:23.840 It's truly adds fuel to the fire and just goes to show how compromised the state broadcaster here is in Canada.

00:21:35.000 I mean, in our political supposed leaders haven't been much better, better, I want to point to a post from Anthony Housefather, liberal MP, um, who really is subtly blaming, well, not even subtly, he's blaming targeted, hateful rhetoric.

00:21:55.120 Yeah.

00:21:55.600 And it really reeks, it really reeks of the same, you know, tone, tone deaf insinuations we heard from the CBC and MSNBC.

00:22:03.980 Um, veiled in some sort of like sympathy.

00:22:07.820 Yeah.

00:22:08.400 He says, uh, he makes himself the victim here, obviously.

00:22:12.120 Um, and he was the only liberal to say something for hours and hours and hours and hours.

00:22:18.920 Um, but I wish he had actually kept his mouth shut.

00:22:22.460 Uh, the murder of Charlie Kirk is a tragedy and I pray for his family.

00:22:25.880 I hope that those on this and other platforms that repeatedly personally attack people and incite hate against them, look at this and see the potential real life consequences.

00:22:33.960 consequences of targeted hateful rhetoric.

00:22:35.440 That phone call is coming from inside the house.

00:22:37.420 Mm-hmm.

00:22:37.880 You're not the victim on Twitter.

00:22:41.200 Conservatives are the victims of violence in real life because somebody sent a hate tweet to you, like, grow up, um, you're not the victim.

00:22:51.220 It's your side that's doing this.

00:22:54.280 When you label everything hate and everything violence, people will react in kind.

00:23:00.760 And that's what we're seeing over and over and over again. 0.96

00:23:04.500 I just, these people are ghouls. 0.99

00:23:06.860 They're just ghouls. 0.99

00:23:07.880 Yeah. 0.95

00:23:08.540 And Mark Carney simultaneously posts some clip from his nonsense interview about shifting mindsets.

00:23:17.660 Low-level local, yeah, a low-level local podcaster.

00:23:21.260 I checked yesterday and it had, like, under 3,000 views for hours and hours and hours because nobody cares.

00:23:27.440 Everybody was waiting for him to say something about a political assassination.

00:23:31.120 Even if you don't like Charlie Kirk, um, as a leader of a free country, next door to the Americans, our alleged best friends in the world, somebody very close to Donald Trump was just politically assassinated.

00:23:48.820 Uh, hello, Canada, you might want to say something.

00:23:52.220 No, hours and hours and hours.

00:23:53.980 Hours and hours, yeah.

00:23:55.680 Here's the clip.

00:23:56.760 And then, I think it was two hours prior to this, Kier Polyev had already posted, we must all strongly denounce the shooting of Charlie Kirk.

00:24:08.540 Political violence is never justified.

00:24:12.340 He called for the attacker to be brought to justice and free speech upheld.

00:24:16.360 Yeah, I mean, it was constant yesterday.

00:24:19.700 Like, right after it happened, it was Daniel Smith said something.

00:24:23.440 Doug Ford, by the way, sent out a fundraising email.

00:24:26.700 Of course.

00:24:28.060 Daniel Smith almost instantly sent out a message of condolences.

00:24:33.160 I think just about everybody in the Conservative Caucus, from Michael Barrett to Michelle Rempel to, uh, Andrew Scheer, um, condolences, uh, to the family and denouncing political violence.

00:24:46.420 This is, uh, my premier.

00:24:48.440 Yours sent out a fundraising email.

00:24:49.800 I'm saddened and horrified by the shooting of Charlie Kirk.

00:24:52.560 Our hearts are with Charlie and his family.

00:24:54.180 Political violence has no place in a free and democratic society and must be condemned without reservation.

00:24:58.980 And let us remember it is the same ideology.

00:25:01.300 Attacking Daniel Smith for, uh, banning graphic pornography from, uh, from schools and attacking her for banning, uh, men from women's sports.

00:25:15.020 That led to the death of Charlie.

00:25:19.240 Yeah, you, this is a, a sacred cow, the DEI, the trans sanity, uh, you can't criticize this without facing actual hate and violence out in public. 0.73

00:25:31.480 Uh, nevermind what happens online.

00:25:34.100 But I just wanted to, um, maybe throw to another clip of David Cochran.

00:25:40.160 It's the last, uh, post that I embedded in that written piece, uh, where he shamelessly victim blames Kirk once again.

00:25:49.620 And proving that the CBC isn't really about journalism.

00:25:54.480 It's, um, incitement cloaked as sanctimony and sympathy.

00:26:00.640 This, and he's joined on air with, uh, some NDP, uh, individual.

00:26:06.320 I'm not, I can't remember who this person is, but, uh.

00:26:09.340 This is who they got.

00:26:10.280 They could have round up a conservative.

00:26:12.160 Right.

00:26:12.840 Like, listen to this.

00:26:14.320 It's crazy talk.

00:26:15.740 Talk.

00:26:16.920 Jordan, just, you, you touched on this and I talked a little bit about that.

00:26:19.380 So Katie Simpson, I just wanted to cycle back on it where you flagged it.

00:26:22.040 Just the, the, the inflection point this could be, right?

00:26:26.900 The, the triggering moment.

00:26:28.220 Sorry.

00:26:28.740 And like what?

00:26:29.620 Like, but we, we, we talk about the Charlie Kirk because he's well-known politically connected.

00:26:34.500 There was a shooting at a Denver high school today in Colorado.

00:26:37.620 I were in a suburb in Denver, you know, where three kids were shot.

00:26:40.340 I mean, the gun problem in America persists, but the issue with someone like Charlie Kirk is,

00:26:45.120 is that constituency head and what they may do and how this event could be a flashpoint

00:26:50.080 there.

00:26:50.600 That's right.

00:26:51.020 And, and of course, I think it's also going to matter a great deal what the president does.

00:26:54.800 Um, and we don't, we don't know yet what is going to happen, but it's clear that this

00:26:59.600 attack was not just an attack on Charlie Kirk as an individual, but also probably, we don't

00:27:05.320 know motive yet, but we can assume it was related to his role in the MAGA movement more

00:27:09.680 generally.

00:27:10.120 And so president Trump, uh, who may well feel that this is a provocation, uh, or an

00:27:16.920 excuse to double down on some of his other efforts to quell dissent within the United

00:27:22.800 States.

00:27:23.360 Yeah.

00:27:23.640 Look, there's a lot of things we don't know.

00:27:25.100 Um, there was some early reports about someone being in custody.

00:27:28.140 There were pictures on social media of a man being detained.

00:27:30.600 That person is not the shooter.

00:27:31.680 Oh, yeah, this part, listen to this.

00:27:32.820 So if you've seen those things, cleanse that from your memory, uh, there was a lot of bad

00:27:37.040 information and memory hole yourself like this.

00:27:39.100 And so we're not going to speculate in the absence of more information.

00:27:41.900 We're going to take a quick break.

00:27:43.120 And when the power panel comes back, we're going to try to get back to Canadian politics.

00:27:46.060 Mark Carney, his caucus, they're meeting in Edmonton.

00:27:48.640 Just when I think that the state broadcaster in Canada can't get any worse, here we are.

00:27:53.420 The gaslighting and the psychological manipulation that you would have to be under to say that

00:28:01.660 this is somehow going to be like, depending on how Trump takes this instead of calling

00:28:06.720 out political violence is absolutely insane to me. 0.92

00:28:11.300 Like, this is so disturbing and disgusting that these are the mental gymnastics that are 0.80

00:28:17.580 being broadcasted on air.

00:28:18.840 And I have to pay through that through unwitting taxation.

00:28:23.580 Um, yeah, this is disgusting.

00:28:26.040 If David Cochran's worried about what the conservative movement is going to do next in

00:28:30.360 light of this shooting, I, David, I promise you, I will do everything I can to make sure

00:28:35.400 that you are unemployed.

00:28:37.520 That's what I'm going to do.

00:28:39.780 Uh, I will do everything in my power to push forward the idea that the CBC should be completely

00:28:45.200 defunded of tax dollars.

00:28:46.780 And if that means that you don't have a job, I don't care.

00:28:49.860 In fact, that's the cherry on the top of the cake.

00:28:53.860 Okay.

00:28:54.640 Um, you know what, if he's worried about what conservatives are going to do, conservatives

00:29:01.200 didn't do anything last night, except pray and wonder about their own safety.

00:29:07.240 No shops were boarded up.

00:29:09.360 No riots happened.

00:29:10.760 No mobs took to the streets, burning their communities, because that is sure as hell what

00:29:16.600 happens on the other side when this sort of stuff happens.

00:29:19.680 And when I say this sort of stuff, I mean, a death, uh, that is suddenly becoming a flash

00:29:27.000 point.

00:29:27.380 I'm not, I would never compare what happened to Charlie with George Floyd.

00:29:31.300 But if you want to compare things, look right there, look right there.

00:29:37.060 Conservatives didn't do anything, but there are a lot of people after this week who, uh,

00:29:45.100 have moved from moderate conservative to hard line.

00:29:49.900 And they want people like David Cochran to lose their jobs.

00:29:54.960 I'm one of them.

00:29:56.140 Uh, I don't want what he said there to be illegal, but I want everybody to hear it because these

00:30:01.920 are the people who are our self appointed moral and intellectual superiors.

00:30:07.440 And they hate us.

00:30:08.700 They think of us as animals that can't control ourselves.

00:30:11.760 They can't think our way out of a problem that will react poorly, that we will burn our cities.

00:30:17.260 Uh, we didn't David, um, but I will do everything I can to make sure that not another tax dollar

00:30:26.040 drips into that bloated, decaying, sinking ship of the CBC.

00:30:33.440 Yeah.

00:30:34.220 The D the dehumanization and the dehumanizing response of all of those people, it speaks volumes, 0.99

00:30:43.420 um, to, to where they're at ideologically.

00:30:49.200 Um, it is deeply concerning and yeah, I don't, you know what, if David Cochran wants to have

00:30:53.740 a job to on his own record and say whatever he wants to say and have whatever opinions

00:30:57.960 and views he wants to say on his own time, go right ahead.

00:31:00.560 My tax dollars are funding this nonsense and it is deeply maddening that this continues

00:31:06.700 on unabated.

00:31:11.800 We're now joined by Libby Emmons.

00:31:13.900 She's the editor in chief over at post-millennial and human events.

00:31:16.640 And then of course, our, our friend, Viva Fry, um, a Canadian living in the United States.

00:31:24.060 So, uh, I think a really interesting viewpoint, um, on what we're learning and what has happened

00:31:30.220 over the last, I guess, 24 hours, it seems fresh, but also seems old also at the same time.

00:31:37.200 Uh, Libby, I'll, I'll go to you first.

00:31:40.780 We're learning more over the last few hours as they have found the shooter's gun.

00:31:49.000 And if you get all your news from CNN, they have described it as cultural slogans on, uh,

00:31:58.820 the firearm, but maybe you can tell us a little bit more about what we know about this 30 odd

00:32:04.200 six Mauser bolt action.

00:32:06.980 Yeah.

00:32:07.740 So we saw that there are slogans, uh, sayings apparently scrawled on the ammunition that were

00:32:13.860 described as Antifa and, um, involved in trans ideology.

00:32:18.960 Of course, that's something that Charlie Kirk has spoken out against many times, um, you

00:32:24.880 know, with more of a dedication to truth than the lies that are told by, uh, trans activists. 0.57

00:32:31.320 And so that's, that's pretty much, much what we, what we know.

00:32:34.960 They haven't released too many details about that.

00:32:37.820 I know that, um, investigative journalists are certainly eager to find out more information.

00:32:43.180 Uh, about a potential suspect's name so that they can go digging through social media, which

00:32:48.540 undoubtedly this person has, the FBI had a press conference this morning.

00:32:53.760 They said that the person was apparently college aged and really blended in.

00:32:59.220 There were also photos released of a person of interest who looked to be a tall, thin young

00:33:05.260 man, uh, with sunglasses and a baseball cap.

00:33:08.400 So we don't know if that's necessarily a suspect or just someone that they're looking to speak

00:33:13.020 with.

00:33:13.260 And the FBI also has offered a hundred thousand dollar reward.

00:33:17.880 Uh, Viva, the hideous reactions are just pouring in.

00:33:25.440 Um, we, maybe we can, Olivia, you can bring it up, but I'm, first of all, I'm not surprised

00:33:31.320 by finding out that on the ammo, there was, uh, trans related slogans.

00:33:37.260 I think that is becoming, uh, the rule and not the exception these days with these shootings.

00:33:43.280 Um, but I don't know why I thought this time that it might be different, that the reactions

00:33:53.080 would not be so hideous.

00:33:54.800 I, you know, like post nine 11, there was like this bipartisan coming together.

00:34:00.780 Everybody was an American for a very, very short time, but it, you know, there's this 0.92

00:34:05.360 renewed sense of a shared sense of ideas, but we're seeing the exact opposite happening

00:34:12.120 right now in real time.

00:34:13.140 I mean, it's gross.

00:34:16.000 Yeah.

00:34:16.480 I mean, I, I've, I've not been amplifying any of those people or alleged people.

00:34:21.000 I mean, there's a number of ways to look at it. 0.96

00:34:23.860 Um, on the one hand, people are sick. 0.99

00:34:25.920 Like there are sick, demented people out there who revel in misery. 0.85

00:34:29.420 Um, there's the other issue that you don't know how much of this is bought accounts or 1.00

00:34:33.920 troll accounts, people out there stirring shit just to stir it. 0.97

00:34:37.540 And that they're either like legit, not real people, or they're just awful anonymous people 1.00

00:34:43.440 who revel in negative attention, but there are just legit bad people out there, miserable 0.75

00:34:48.920 people who revel in the misery of others.

00:34:52.140 And, you know, I was the way I think about it, the, uh, that guy, Daniel Senegal, who

00:34:56.880 sexually assaulted, um, and people are saying lock him up so he can get assaulted himself

00:35:02.240 on a daily basis.

00:35:03.100 And like, that is probably the type of suffering that would be a distraction from his own daily

00:35:08.380 suffering.

00:35:08.780 And it's not like you can torture that guy.

00:35:10.960 It might be the pleasure that he seeks in life, which is just to cause harm, be part of

00:35:17.000 harm, uh, even if it's at his own expense.

00:35:18.860 Some of these people I'm convinced are engaging in the same type of, of, of evil.

00:35:23.560 It's, it's, they revel in causing harm to others because they are themselves miserable

00:35:28.180 and it's a distraction from their own misery. 0.95

00:35:30.180 Uh, I wish they were anonymous losers, but we've got this video from, uh, the house floor 0.95

00:35:39.140 yesterday. 0.95

00:35:40.840 Democrats in the house shout no when it was asked for a moment of audible prayer instead

00:35:49.120 of silence for Charlie Kirk.

00:35:51.460 Let's show that because this is the Democrats on display. 0.99

00:35:56.560 I, I think this is, these are the people who weaponize the mentally ill to shoot our best 1.00

00:36:02.920 and brightest. 0.87

00:36:03.580 Let's, let's hear it from the Democrats in their own words.

00:36:07.520 What purpose is a gentlelady from Colorado rise? 0.89

00:36:09.500 Let's, let's, let's, let's wait a minute.

00:36:34.460 Wait a minute.

00:36:35.000 The house will be in order.

00:36:36.080 The house will be in order.

00:36:37.920 Shh.

00:36:40.560 The house will be in order.

00:36:44.540 Shh.

00:36:49.840 We.

00:36:52.640 The house will be in order.

00:37:00.080 So not even, uh, uh, moments of reprieve from any of this.

00:37:04.660 Wait.

00:37:05.500 I don't know who wants to feel it.

00:37:06.600 I'll throw my thoughts in.

00:37:07.960 Yeah, please.

00:37:08.740 Oh, see litter.

00:37:09.460 And, and those demonic, uh, people literally took a knee for George Floyd.

00:37:14.760 They literally built a mural to, and it's not to say, um, I don't want to even like

00:37:19.600 reduce Charlie Kirk to exactly.

00:37:22.560 But they will take a knee to career criminals and then not take a moment of prayer for Charlie

00:37:29.120 Kirk.

00:37:29.440 And why they think they're gods.

00:37:31.380 I've been saying this for a while, like the government in general, but Democrats who don't

00:37:35.920 believe in an actual God, uh, the consequences they view themselves as God.

00:37:40.220 And why would they take a moment to recognize anything higher than themselves and their own

00:37:44.120 authority? 0.98

00:37:44.500 It's absolutely disgusting. 0.96

00:37:46.660 Period. 0.68

00:37:47.500 Yeah.

00:37:47.780 And I think, I think there's more to it than that.

00:37:49.980 Also, I think you're right.

00:37:50.960 Exactly what you say, Viva, about George Floyd.

00:37:53.560 Um, and that these people think that they are gods.

00:37:56.300 They do not recognize a power higher than themselves.

00:37:58.700 We saw that recently with Senator Tim Kaine, who decided to tell us that our rights come

00:38:03.780 from the government and not from God.

00:38:06.760 And we know, you know, even from our founding documents, that these are natural rights stowed

00:38:11.220 upon us by God, that the government cannot infringe upon their job is to protect and defend

00:38:16.240 our rights, not to grant them.

00:38:18.500 And that's actually, uh, the very first conversation I had with Charlie Kirk in, I think it was 2021.

00:38:24.400 I, I went on his show and that's what we talked about when Joe Biden was all on about, um,

00:38:29.820 he was all on about no right is absolute.

00:38:31.640 And we were like, nah, it's not, that is not the case.

00:38:34.340 But in Congress, yes, we saw the moment of silence and Congress did keep quiet for about

00:38:41.460 a minute for that moment of silence, but they did refuse to have prayer.

00:38:45.640 When Representative Lauren Boebert called for that, Mike Johnson said that they would have

00:38:49.540 it afterwards, but she wanted it there.

00:38:52.040 And what we have is a Congress that not only thinks that they are God, but is offended by

00:38:58.100 God, is offended by, uh, concepts of Christianity and thinks that it is, um, that Christianity 0.62

00:39:04.980 is akin to Nazism, you know, that Christianity is, is hateful and evil and all of this kind 1.00

00:39:11.300 of stuff. 0.95

00:39:11.780 And that's the kind of rhetoric that they have been peddling.

00:39:14.480 And that's what we saw under the Biden administration, right?

00:39:16.920 When you saw that his FBI say that white supremacist domestic extremism was the biggest threat to

00:39:23.840 this country.

00:39:24.400 And when you had his FBI literally targeting Catholics who went to traditional Latin mass

00:39:30.720 and targeting Christians because essentially of their faith, they thought that this, the

00:39:35.440 Christian faith, which is pretty much a faith of peace.

00:39:38.580 They thought that this faith was akin to, um, white supremacy. 0.98

00:39:43.300 It's absolutely insane.

00:39:45.640 Libby, I really appreciate that you drew on a previous conversation that you had with Charlie

00:39:51.340 and just to really uphold, you know, who he was as a person and his legacy.

00:39:56.400 Is there anything else that you can, you can think of that really stood out to you about

00:40:00.680 Charlie or a talk that you had or, um, one of his, you know, key moments in any of his

00:40:05.800 speeches, um, anything that you can, you can share with us to really, um, keep his memory

00:40:12.100 alive.

00:40:13.160 Well, I, I was on Charlie's show a handful of times.

00:40:16.100 I was on stage with him maybe once or twice on a panel.

00:40:19.200 It was extremely honored every time that I got to, you know, share space with Charlie

00:40:25.400 Kirk.

00:40:25.960 I, um, I found him very inspiring, his willingness to always speak up, to always tell the truth

00:40:31.680 without fail, to never give into lies, to never back down when he knew that he was speaking

00:40:37.680 honestly and directly and to always do so with a smile on his face, to always do so with

00:40:44.180 complete love and, um, welcoming to the people that he was talking to.

00:40:48.760 This is a man who believed fully in open discourse and hearing ideas.

00:40:52.980 He didn't agree with and combating those ideas, but combating those ideas.

00:40:56.900 Because if you look at all of his college talks, all of it, combating those ideas with, with

00:41:03.040 a big giant smile, right?

00:41:05.620 I mean, that is what we saw.

00:41:06.840 He was a senior contributor at Human Events.

00:41:10.020 Um, he was very close with, uh, our senior editor, Jack Posobiec.

00:41:13.940 And so, you know, I know the two of them together and I've seen them in action a lot of times.

00:41:19.660 And, um, yeah, I mean, I just, I had the utmost respect for Charlie Kirk and every time I was

00:41:25.400 near him, he was welcoming, he was generous, he shared his ideas, he shared his intellect

00:41:31.360 freely.

00:41:32.500 And, um, that this is a kind of guy who the world will not soon forget a loss like this.

00:41:40.480 From the U.S. perspective, do you see this tragedy as something that's going to quell that

00:41:47.360 discussion or intensify it?

00:41:52.180 Well, I think this is a key question, right?

00:41:54.540 I mean, this is what we're looking at.

00:41:56.200 This is a man who stuck his head up above the crowd and said, you know, I'm game.

00:42:00.740 Let's go for it.

00:42:01.500 Let's talk.

00:42:02.100 Let's be open.

00:42:03.280 And he was killed for that, right?

00:42:05.600 This is a guy who says, let's talk.

00:42:07.720 All ideas are welcome.

00:42:08.840 And they killed him for that because they did not want to address his ideas, uh, which were

00:42:14.200 grounded in faith, logic, and reason.

00:42:16.840 Um, but that's the huge question.

00:42:18.720 We have a number of conservative influencers, uh, young men specifically who speak out,

00:42:25.140 you know, there's Jack Sobik, who I mentioned, Tim Pool.

00:42:27.780 There's a lot of guys who are out there, um, talking all the time, you know, on air and

00:42:34.200 in live events.

00:42:35.120 And the question is, is this going to shut them up or not?

00:42:39.700 What are they going to do about it?

00:42:42.040 I know that some events have been canceled and I think that it makes sense for people

00:42:46.460 to step back and take a look around and assess their security and see what they can do to

00:42:52.180 make sure that they have enough security to keep themselves protected and to keep their

00:42:57.080 families safe.

00:42:57.900 Because when you look at, um, Charlie Kirk's family, he's now left a widow, two young children,

00:43:03.680 and that's certainly not something that any man wants to do.

00:43:07.900 You know, I want to ask Viva about that because, um, we've got this, uh, blue sky seems to be

00:43:15.480 a place of radicalization.

00:43:17.200 I, I think we should treat blue sky the same way we treat WeChat, you know, that it is a pernicious

00:43:23.500 influence in our culture.

00:43:25.100 Um, and, uh, you know, you've got the lunatics over there saying, I hope they do Joe Rogan 0.90

00:43:31.080 next. 0.87

00:43:31.400 Let's do Ben Shapiro next.

00:43:33.300 Um, that was fun.

00:43:34.800 Do Shapiro next.

00:43:35.860 Uh, they want Matt Walsh, Joe Rogan, JK Rowling.

00:43:40.700 I wanted to ask you about this Viva because, uh, you're a high profile male conservative,

00:43:47.800 although JK Rowling, I wouldn't even describe her as conservative.

00:43:50.500 She's definitely not male, but you're out and about highly recognized.

00:43:55.100 Does this make you reconsider how you conduct your day-to-day life?

00:44:00.760 Day-to-day?

00:44:01.580 No, these events, uh, on the other hand, uh, yes.

00:44:06.060 Like the funny thing is nobody, you never, you don't think it's going to happen to you.

00:44:11.880 Uh, these events invite this type of, um, this type of violence.

00:44:16.200 And, and it's not, this is not victim blaming.

00:44:18.600 This is, you know, we're in the wake of July 13.

00:44:20.760 You have these open air events with minimal to no security, or at least no meaningful security

00:44:26.640 at, at leftist type institutions like universities.

00:44:30.780 And maybe there's a certain degree of complacency where at some point nothing happens.

00:44:36.520 So you think nothing is going to happen.

00:44:37.900 And everybody loves you.

00:44:39.300 Like everybody with half a brain and half a heart loved Charlie, but it should, it should

00:44:46.280 cause legitimate concern for the safety of these venues, especially since when I say

00:44:51.080 demons, and I mean, I, I believe I mean demons are when they celebrated Luigi Mangione's, uh,

00:44:57.200 extrajudicial execution of, of, uh, the United health CEO, and you have the likes of Bill

00:45:02.600 Burr egging it on because nobody ever thinks it's going to happen to them.

00:45:06.560 And, you know, I'll, I'll control the beast and it'll be my beast to direct at, at other

00:45:10.920 people who I don't like.

00:45:11.920 Well, that, that beast will at some point in time, turn around and bite your, bite your 0.95

00:45:16.000 hand if you're lucky.

00:45:17.900 Um, but when you have the glamorizing of Luigi Mangione, and I also say algorithmic indoctrination,

00:45:23.440 cause I don't believe it's entirely organic, this is to be expected and the response is

00:45:27.980 to be expected, but I, I, I'm saying this not even half, half jokingly, uh, this was

00:45:32.420 an act of domestic terrorism and anybody who's egging it on or urging more of it should be

00:45:38.520 regarded and treated as a domestic terrorist period.

00:45:41.140 Um, now the question is always, you know, when it goes to aiding and abetting terrorism,

00:45:44.820 is it mere speech or does it need to be financial or something more, um, logistical, but the FBI is

00:45:51.440 going to have its hands full because blue sky is a breeding ground for domestic terrorists. 0.92

00:45:56.460 It's, it's, it's as radical as any jihadi website, any, uh, uh, I can't think of another, 1.00

00:46:02.320 you know, terrorist organization offhand.

00:46:04.560 That's, that's how radical it is. 0.54

00:46:06.280 And it's, uh, an asylum, an insane asylum where everybody's bouncing off the same crazy

00:46:11.300 ideas of each other.

00:46:12.040 And everyone doesn't appreciate how wildly insane and wildly evil it is.

00:46:17.220 I don't know what, uh, needs to happen for the great awakening of even these people,

00:46:21.940 but you know, it's coming to the point where even like Cenk Uyghur is saying we're all targets

00:46:27.040 now.

00:46:27.640 Yeah.

00:46:28.120 Because when you spend a decade demonizing people, violence is carried out on them.

00:46:33.080 Well, it's not, it doesn't take much to turn that violence against the people who have

00:46:36.340 been egging it on for the last decade.

00:46:37.740 If they don't think you're radical enough anymore, if you start talking too reasonably,

00:46:41.100 you become the enemy.

00:46:42.260 And I think some of the prominent voices are starting to realize this, but at the end

00:46:46.600 of the day, situational awareness, don't put yourself out there like, like a sitting duck

00:46:50.460 with no meaningful protection.

00:46:51.960 These, these venues were always a disastrous concept from the beginning.

00:46:56.360 And it's not a question of blaming Charlie Kirk or the entourage.

00:46:59.700 It's the reality.

00:47:00.760 And then you have to accommodate to the reality as much as you don't like what that reality

00:47:04.520 is.

00:47:12.260 Bye.

00:47:32.000 Bye.

00:47:33.160 Bye.

00:47:33.820 Bye.

00:47:33.900 Bye.

00:47:34.220 Bye.

00:47:34.300 Bye.

00:47:35.320 Bye.

00:47:38.720 Bye.

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Rebel News Podcast - September 11, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Charlie Kirk's assassination tried to silence conservative voices

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