Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Chinese EV deal raises alarm for Canada’s auto industry

00:00:00.100 Hello, my friends. Very strange story today I read about in Bloomberg about a plan to take over an empty Chrysler factory in Canada and turn it into a factory making Chinese vehicles.

00:00:14.120 What would that do to our access to the U.S. market?

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00:01:10.140 tonight what happens if mark carney lets the chinese auto industry into canada

00:01:28.660 it's april fool's day and this is the eschelabant show 0.97

00:01:31.840 shame on you you sensorious bug 0.99

00:01:38.000 it's april 1st that's april fool's day you know i um the world is so crazy as it is i mean every 0.99

00:01:54.480 day could be april fool's day i note that april fool's day is the day every year that members 0.88

00:02:00.680 of parliament give themselves a pay raise so yeah we're the ones being fooled anyhow i have a deadly

00:02:06.220 serious story for you today and sort of interesting. It's about the auto industry, which is sort of

00:02:11.940 the second largest exporter to the United States and the one that's most in jeopardy. Oil is by

00:02:18.820 far the number one export oil and gas that we send to the States. And really, I don't think

00:02:24.180 that's in jeopardy. I mean, there's I think a 10% tariff on oil and gas, but it has to be kept more

00:02:29.940 or less at world prices. By the way, it's usually sold at a discount to world prices because there's

00:02:35.380 nowhere else we can send it because we don't have enough pipelines to blue ocean water anyways let 0.95

00:02:41.000 me read you a story uh in bloomberg about the auto sector the headline i saw today was

00:02:47.160 stellantis in talks to make chinese electric vehicles at idle canada plant now stellantis

00:02:54.780 if you don't know it's a major auto manufacturer it's really the new name for chrysler used to be

00:02:59.720 called daimler chrysler they've built cars in canada for 100 years under various names they

00:03:04.700 have about 10,000 workers, a little bit less than that in Canada. It's pretty big. Not as big as

00:03:10.260 oil sands companies like Suncor, which has around 15,000 workers, or Canadian Natural Resources,

00:03:16.540 which has about 10,000. It's about the size of Syncrude, which has about 8,000. You can see my

00:03:21.620 point is I'm trying to point out that the oil sands are a much larger employer and they don't

00:03:26.900 need annual bailouts or government money. And yet the federal government has done everything they

00:03:31.740 can to kill those jobs for the past 10 years. But back to Stellantis. And I hope those Stellantis

00:03:37.540 jobs remain in Canada. Of course I do. But look at that story again. I want to read it to you.

00:03:42.860 I won't read the whole thing, but I'll read part of it to you. It's about China looking to move in

00:03:47.060 on the Canadian market. And of course, this could only happen with Mark Carney's seal of approval.

00:03:52.740 Stellantis NV is discussing options for building electric vehicles in Canada with its Chinese 1.00

00:03:58.620 partner, Zhejiang Leap Motor Technology Company, according to people familiar with the matter,

00:04:04.960 a sign of how quickly the auto industry is being reshaped after Canada opened the door

00:04:09.120 to companies from the world's largest car market.

00:04:13.500 You know, it's so funny.

00:04:14.540 They called China the world's largest car market.

00:04:16.220 I'm sure it's true, but there is zero chance that any cars made in Canada would be sold

00:04:21.080 there.

00:04:21.340 And I mean zero.

00:04:22.440 That will never happen.

00:04:24.020 So it's all about what they can get from us, not about what we can get from them.

00:04:27.640 Let me keep reading.

00:04:28.620 I just want to say the obvious. This came about because of Mark Carney's visit to China earlier this year. A few months ago, he opened the door to all this. I don't know how this works. I thought he was going there to try and get China to buy Canadian things. Isn't that what Mark Carney says? We need to find other markets besides the United States.

00:04:49.300 we need to double our other markets which still is such a fraction even if we did double it of

00:04:55.200 what we sell to america but isn't the whole idea what bloomberg alluded to there is the world's

00:05:00.840 largest market don't we want to sell to them as opposed to buy from them i mean he came back

00:05:07.100 with them extracting a promise from him to allow 49 000 chinese made cars into canada every single 0.57

00:05:17.800 year and that number actually goes up so the jobs are in china they would take up our market

00:05:24.700 canadians would apparently buy these 49 000 cars and since chinese cars aren't allowed into the

00:05:30.080 united states it 100 would become coming at the cost of canadian auto uh sales it's it's not like

00:05:36.560 these cars could be sold to anyone else other than canadians here's the u.s ambassador talking

00:05:43.680 about those cars with me last week i think it's those cars can come in from china come out come

00:05:50.320 into canada they're not going to cross the border into the u.s you know china's imports brought to 1.00

00:05:58.040 you through canada into the u.s chinese air imports or imports uh you know that ain't going

00:06:03.940 to happen okay uh the canadians are going to buy you know if anybody buys those cars it's going to

00:06:08.860 be Canadians. And they'll, you know, you guys will have to take a look at it. I'm rather a

00:06:16.720 simple guy on some of this stuff. It's kind of like, okay, if you're buying 49,000 cars that

00:06:22.180 are made in China, that means that you're probably not going to be buying 49,000 cars that were built

00:06:30.260 in Ontario. Okay. That's a Canadian decision. 49,000 cars is not enough cars to build a factory.

00:06:43.060 Again, I'm a marketing guy. I'm not an engineer. But my understanding in talking to

00:06:49.300 folks in the auto industry that if you really want to build to scale a car plant, you know,

00:06:57.880 where the efficiencies and all of that in you got to be at least at a quarter of a million cars

00:07:03.160 okay you're not going to you're not going to build a factory for maybe the chinese will but

00:07:07.560 you're not going to build a factory to build 49 000 cars um but those are those are decisions

00:07:13.800 that canada has to make you know you had other factors in play um like uh you know exports of

00:07:21.160 canola or canola that played into this and other tariffs so that you know but

00:07:28.720 we're not gonna get involved in that but we know that we're not gonna open you

00:07:32.620 know the we're not gonna open the floodgates to have Chinese cars coming 0.99

00:07:37.000 into the US from Canada that ain't gonna happen and so you know security

00:07:43.760 standpoint you know with the technology that they now have built into cars you

00:07:50.580 You know, and I think the, you know, some insurance companies or some states are looking at, you know, when you go out and buy your license plates, it's going to be dependent on how many miles you drive per year.

00:08:03.020 And that number is not going to be, you know, derived from a form that you fill out that says, oh, I drove 11,500 miles last year.

00:08:11.720 it'll come from some data that they're getting that has tracked your car for the last year and

00:08:17.980 they said yeah you said you drove 11 500 we're tracking it you drove 13 321 miles and here's

00:08:27.000 exactly where you went uh and so uh you know i i would expect coming out of the intelligence world

00:08:35.400 that little, that car driving around from China, it's a great gobbler of data and information.

00:08:51.020 It's consuming and getting information, and at times it will be sending information.

00:09:00.980 By the way, I noticed that today the Wall Street Journal China refers to my conversation with the ambassador about that point.

00:09:09.320 And Bloomberg has done two news stories about that comment from the ambassador, which is funny because no other mainstream media in Canada has even referred to the interview.

00:09:17.420 They would rather not tell their customers the news than to tip their hat to rebel.

00:09:22.340 Isn't that interesting? The Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg don't care about rebel news.

00:09:25.600 They have no rebel derangement syndrome.

00:09:27.760 So they're happy. I mean, the Wall Street Journal China, that's a pretty big newspaper.

00:09:31.320 That is the newspaper in China read by anyone from the West, any Western expats, anyone.

00:09:38.460 It's sort of the bridge newspaper between China and the United States.

00:09:42.300 Anyway, I thought it was pretty cool that it was in there.

00:09:43.700 Now, back to the deal that Mark Carney is trying to get.

00:09:48.160 I just don't understand it.

00:09:49.740 Like I say, I thought they wanted, I thought we wanted them to buy stuff from us.

00:09:53.980 I thought that's what these missions were about.

00:09:55.940 I think China does want to buy things from us, mainly oil and gas and other raw materials.

00:10:02.000 But like South Korea and Japan, they were told no by the liberals.

00:10:08.040 It was Trudeau who told them and Carney, who was Trudeau's economic advisor for half a decade, who said, no, we're not going to build another pipeline to the West.

00:10:17.300 There's no business case.

00:10:18.500 Remember they said that.

00:10:19.200 So we don't really have any more sales of anything to China, but we are going to buy

00:10:24.860 49,000 Spymobile electric vehicles from them.

00:10:27.980 And now we're contemplating letting them build those cars here.

00:10:32.980 Let me read some more.

00:10:34.920 The talks are in an early stage, said the people who asked not to be identified, discussing

00:10:38.920 information that's not public.

00:10:40.280 If the companies proceed, it would be the first major Chinese auto investment in Canada

00:10:44.220 since Prime Minister Mark Carney reached an agreement with President Xi Jinping in January.

00:10:49.200 to reduce tariffs on Chinese-made EVs.

00:10:51.840 As part of that deal,

00:10:53.020 Carney's government said it wanted to attract

00:10:54.680 new Chinese joint venture investment

00:10:57.040 with trusted partners

00:10:58.700 in the Canadian auto sector within three years.

00:11:01.800 Hey, I got to ask you,

00:11:03.000 what is a trusted partner?

00:11:04.460 Trusted by whom?

00:11:06.140 I mean, every major company in China

00:11:07.920 is controlled by the Chinese Communist Party.

00:11:10.300 That's just how it is.

00:11:11.220 It's like in the former Soviet Union

00:11:12.940 or in Cuba today.

00:11:14.720 So what does trusted mean?

00:11:16.860 Do you trust the Chinese Communist Party?

00:11:19.020 on anything from quality control to industrial espionage to sanctity of contracts. They don't

00:11:25.760 have independent courts in China to even letting Canadians work in these plants. When China invests

00:11:31.700 somewhere in a third country, they typically insist that it's their own countrymen who did

00:11:36.620 the construction and the operation. Will there even be any jobs for Canadian auto workers here?

00:11:43.640 Or is there going to be Chinese nationals working in a car plant that has been emptied out of Canadians?

00:11:51.300 Well, Melanie Jolie, who makes Trudeau look like a PhD, said this about that. 0.98

00:11:56.960 Quote, we believe that these great Canadian champions can partner with Chinese EV companies to make a Canadian Chinese car to export it around the world, Jolie told Bloomberg News in February.

00:12:09.280 Do you really think that's going to happen?

00:12:11.120 she said any chinese auto production in canada may have conditions around it to address concerns

00:12:17.640 about software security jobs and parts suppliers quote we think we're able to have labor standards

00:12:23.220 that are in conformity with what we accept and expect in canada and that there can be local

00:12:27.660 supply chains in canada that are created out of these investments hey do you think you can make

00:12:31.840 a chinese car in canada with chinese with sir with canadian labor canadian parts and be able

00:12:38.960 to export it from Canada to the world, except for to the United States, and to be able to compete

00:12:45.960 with the exact same car being made in China by Chinese labor under Chinese conditions. That is

00:12:51.120 like no unions allowed, no environmental, no healthcare. So I say again, other than the

00:12:56.440 Canadian market, these cars cannot go anywhere. They can't go into the United States. So do you

00:13:02.220 really think a Chinese car made in high-cost Canada is going to be able to beat the sales

00:13:10.040 of a Chinese car made in low-cost China anywhere in the world? I just don't get it. What do you

00:13:15.920 think? I mean, they just have two possible buyers, Canadians or foreigners other than the U.S.

00:13:20.740 Here's that Bloomberg story mentioning my interview with the ambassador again. Those cars can come in

00:13:25.840 from China, come into Canada, but they're not going to cross the border into the U.S.,

00:13:29.860 Hoekstra told Canada's Rebel News, that ain't going to happen.

00:13:34.200 It was unclear whether he meant that Chinese cars legally imported into Canada would be denied.

00:13:38.060 The U.S. paperwork needed for resale in the U.S., barred entirely from going across the border,

00:13:43.520 were subjected to other administrative hurdles.

00:13:46.380 Yeah, I mean, the idea makes no sense here.

00:13:49.320 If you're a Canadian auto worker, it makes less sense even than zero.

00:13:53.040 It makes no sense if you want to keep access to the U.S. market.

00:13:55.560 I mean, factories only make sense with that U.S. market in mind.

00:14:00.060 That's something Ambassador Hoekstra, who's from Michigan, said to me.

00:14:03.700 Take a look.

00:14:04.500 I wonder if you can answer this.

00:14:06.160 For Canadians who love those jobs and love the industry and love how it's been for so long,

00:14:11.040 is there a future for car factories on the Canadian side?

00:14:16.220 Or is it inevitable that they become repatriated down to Michigan, Ohio, other places?

00:14:21.240 It's not inevitable.

00:14:22.180 okay it's you know we get depending on the year i think it's like four to six hundred thousand

00:14:30.440 cars more from imported in from canada than what we export to canada okay canada is not

00:14:39.460 our problem with autos okay you you've you you have a phenomenal story to tell to you know our

00:14:50.200 U.S. trade rep about here's why Canada deserves to be in the lowest tariff bucket in terms of

00:15:01.940 doing trade with the United States. You know, we're awesome at making car parts. You know,

00:15:09.740 we have similar labor laws, similar wage scales, you know, technology and all of that.

00:15:17.920 you know, so we can integrate with your auto industry,

00:15:24.400 which you've done, okay?

00:15:27.000 You know, for rebuilding the auto industry,

00:15:33.620 you don't start with Canada, okay?

00:15:37.360 Cars going across the border, 50%, 75% U.S. content.

00:15:41.460 Those are the kind of cars we like coming in, okay?

00:15:44.220 to fix the car issue in the U.S.

00:15:47.960 And the reason we got it, we want a car industry,

00:15:51.140 is because it was the car industry that mobilized for World War II.

00:15:55.920 It was a car industry that actually mobilized.

00:15:59.800 Ford, I think, started making these ventilators during COVID.

00:16:05.980 You need the heavy industry.

00:16:07.300 Yeah.

00:16:07.760 And, you know, so they're making cars one day and the next day.

00:16:10.580 They've taken a line, or I'm sure it's not a line,

00:16:13.360 But they've taken a lot of their engineering capability and all that and said, OK, instead of building an escape tomorrow, you're building a ventilator.

00:16:23.300 And they figured it out. That's why you need and why the president is so insistent on having that capability.

00:16:30.920 But to maintain that capability, our biggest threats are from Korea, Japan, Mexico. 0.70

00:16:41.260 So we've got to work on those are the places where you really can move some numbers and getting car production here back into the U.S.

00:16:49.700 And then we've got to figure out what we're going to do with China because that's that's the biggest threat. 1.00

00:16:53.560 So if you're going to let China colonize Canada's auto market, you're basically saying you're going to cut yourself out of the U.S. market.

00:17:01.920 All right. I mean, that market has been a source of tens of billions of dollars over the 60 plus

00:17:09.440 years since the auto pact was signed. I don't know, more than a hundred billion dollars net

00:17:13.640 to Canada. So you're going to nuke your access to that market in return for the privilege of

00:17:18.580 making a few Chinese spy mobiles that you can't sell anywhere else. Just, just crazy.

00:17:26.760 That's what it's like, I guess, when a government centrally plans an economy,

00:17:30.060 that's really no better than Avi Lewis's NDP planned his centrally planned and nationalized

00:17:35.020 grocery stores. Is this the elbows up part or is it the new world order part? I'm not quite sure.

00:17:42.700 Stay with us for more.

00:17:52.800 Hey, welcome back. You know, Antifa, I've often called them the street teams or the street gangs

00:17:58.240 of the left, as in the paramilitaries of the Liberal Party or the NDP or the socialists.

00:18:04.740 What is not accomplished through them legally and politically, they will accomplish through

00:18:10.240 violence. And you might think, oh, what are you talking about? Well, I'm talking about

00:18:14.020 things like this. Take a look at this. This is two incendiary devices, smoke bombs,

00:18:20.680 being thrown in a crowded church in Montreal

00:18:24.200 when a U.S. Christian pastor named Sean Feucht

00:18:28.340 came to Canada, found a church that would host him.

00:18:32.060 He has a very musical style for prayer.

00:18:33.760 And an Antifa thug came and threw those smoke bombs,

00:18:37.580 which if they hadn't been rushed out of the building right away,

00:18:40.340 would have filled it with smoke,

00:18:41.800 probably turned on the fire sprinklers and wrecked the place.

00:18:47.260 The smoke inhalation could have done damage.

00:18:49.600 and of course they're fiery devices they could have burned the place down to throw two of them

00:18:53.760 in a crowded church is outrageous uh we and by we i mean alexa lavoie tracked the thrower down 0.72

00:19:01.880 identified him as gabriel lapage and found out that not only is he an antifa thug but he works

00:19:08.680 as far as we know to this day at the department of defense in fact he works at a military base

00:19:13.460 with access to their confidential equipment their computer equipment that's his job like i say

00:19:19.480 the impunity with which he is treated shows that he is an extension of the left they have a phrase

00:19:26.800 in the left they say diversity of tactics what does that mean that means some people will fight

00:19:33.120 the leftist fight as professors in the classroom some will fight it as lawyers in a court of law

00:19:37.780 some will fight it as activists on campus or wherever and some will fight some will fight

00:19:43.260 it with knives, with bats, with incendiary devices, diversity of tactics. That's what the

00:19:49.420 left means when they use that word. It goes on in Canada, and I think you know by the fact that

00:19:56.080 we're always hiring security for our reporters, that it is commonplace, especially in bigger

00:20:00.860 centers like Toronto, Montreal, and Ottawa. I think it is a major problem, not quite as bad as it is

00:20:07.560 in places like Seattle and Portland and San Francisco, but it's getting there. Now, there are

00:20:12.660 some violent groups on the right as well. And I would refer, or at least violent in their rhetoric

00:20:18.920 and their promotion. I haven't seen them do anything as suspect as throwing incendiary

00:20:24.500 devices. I'm talking about Jeremy McKenzie's successor organization at Diagalon called

00:20:29.020 Second Sons. They're more of a fight club, I think. They make a lot about their paramilitary

00:20:36.020 style training. But to be fair, I haven't seen an instance where the Second Sons has actually gone

00:20:43.340 out and beat someone up, unlike Antifa, thrown smoke bombs, unlike Antifa. Nonetheless, they have

00:20:50.900 been obsessively documented by the CBC. Let me just show you a minute from a recent CBC expose

00:20:58.040 or investigation. I say again, as far as I know, Second Sons has not committed violence. They

00:21:04.180 talk about violence, and they certainly are racist, but they have not done what I've just

00:21:09.260 described and what you've seen Antifa doing. Take a look. A Canadian nationalist club called

00:21:16.480 Second Sons is growing across the country, standing for what they say is the birthright

00:21:21.980 of their ancestors. But that's just its public face. On its leaders' personal podcasts and

00:21:28.140 live streams, things are a bit different. The Nazis were right. Yes, violence is the answer. 1.00

00:21:33.740 We washed ourselves in n***a's blood. 1.00

00:21:37.100 We downloaded over 200 episodes of their online shows and analyzed it all. 0.92

00:21:42.140 Because if all you see is the group's social media posts, where they celebrate veterans

00:21:46.300 and Canadian history, you're only getting half the story.

00:21:49.340 Now, we want to warn you, this is Graphic Stuff.

00:21:51.820 So why is it that the CBC and the so-called hate industry, people like Professor Barbara Perry,

00:21:58.700 who says there are 300 right-wing hate groups in Canada, though she refuses to name them.

00:22:04.520 People like the Canadian Anti-Hate Network who receive hundreds of thousands of dollars

00:22:09.020 in funding each year from the Liberal government, but only focus on conservatives or right-wingers.

00:22:14.300 Why do they ignore the left?

00:22:16.260 Well, there's a very interesting story in Juneau News by our favorite reporter over there,

00:22:20.460 Melanie Bennett, who has discovered that there is a left-wing equivalent to Second Sons,

00:22:25.620 a so-called active club where left-wingers are taught to fight in a way that suggests that they

00:22:33.020 should be scrutinized the same way the CBC is scrutinizing the far right active clubs. Joining

00:22:38.100 us now via Skype is Melanie Bennett. Nice to see you again. Thanks for coming back on the show.

00:22:43.420 I'm trying to say that there are groups that have this paramilitary style on the far right and on

00:22:49.300 the far left. But as far as I know, the only ones who have actually been violent in street gangs

00:22:54.960 are the ones on the left are you aware of any right-wing groups that are violent paramilitary

00:23:00.440 style on the street i just don't know any and i follow it pretty closely well thank you for

00:23:06.540 uh being here a pleasure as always ezra i am i'm not personally aware of right-wing groups on the

00:23:15.100 streets fighting i have seen these videos promotional videos and posts from second sons

00:23:20.340 And I think there's also Nationalist 13, I think they're called, so that, I mean, these right wing active groups do exist and, you know, they are organizing politically and that is a thing that is going on.

00:23:32.860 But no, I have not seen them rush people at protests in the way that we see Antifa doing on a regular basis.

00:23:38.900 and it's not just that i mean like the attacks on our reporter alexa lavar are insane we've

00:23:45.340 actually sued the police of montreal for standing by watching as antifa attacks them and that is a

00:23:52.900 conscious decision the montreal police in fairness have been sued multiple times by leftist protesters

00:23:59.520 and in one case the city forced them to settle and paid millions of dollars to the far left street

00:24:07.100 activists so i think police in montreal where they might like to stop antifa have basically

00:24:13.160 been told by their bosses to roll over because we'll be sued again so it's really shocking

00:24:19.200 and we've had to uh not only provide alexa lavois with bodyguards every time she goes up because 0.99

00:24:25.140 the police are of no use but we're suing the police i'll let you know how that goes but tell

00:24:29.080 me a little bit more about what you've discovered melanie a group called proletarian fighting arts

00:24:36.600 arts collective um what's that well the proletarian fighting arts collective was not my discovery i'd

00:24:46.100 like to just do a little shout out to an account called restore canada who brought that to my

00:24:49.940 attention and i noticed that it didn't actually get a whole lot of views so i started looking

00:24:54.740 into this particular group and they appear to be mostly active on instagram um and from what i can

00:25:00.920 tell they start in about 2020 so you mentioned the right-wing active clubs I when I saw this

00:25:07.340 proletarian fight club I was kind of surprised because there has been an awful lot of attention

00:25:11.420 on these right-wing active clubs and the attention has been it's not just it's not just a physical

00:25:19.540 activity it's not just sport they're politically organizing for a particular cause but this club

00:25:26.160 the proletarian fighting arts collective you could say is a left-wing active club they are doing

00:25:30.300 exactly the same thing and they have been doing since 2020. And I really did try to have a look

00:25:36.120 in the legacy media, whether or not anyone had ever reported on them, because there has been

00:25:41.800 such attention on the right-wing version of these. And I didn't find any. And I found that very

00:25:46.960 interesting because as a journalist, when I'm looking things up, I should be able to pick up

00:25:54.700 on the left-wing clubs like the proletarian fighting arts collective so that's that suggests

00:26:00.480 to me that perhaps they haven't even bothered to look yeah you know um i think a lot of this

00:26:05.900 antifa is much more violent in some parts of europe in some parts of germany for example

00:26:12.380 where they sort of began and some cities they basically rule the streets in seattle and portland

00:26:18.780 I mean, the mayor, the police chief, they effectively have signed a peace treaty with Antifa, giving them swaths of territory.

00:26:29.060 You might remember when they had sort of this zone, this collective zone where a territory, I think they called it the CHAZ.

00:26:38.000 I forget what that stood for.

00:26:39.080 They literally ceded blocks of territory to Antifa, as it sort of reminds me of the Batman movie and where Gotham was handed over to Bane.

00:26:51.020 Do you have any evidence that these proletarian fighting arts collectives, this left wing fight club, do we know if they have actually done violence or are they?

00:27:04.600 Because it's easy to talk tough online.

00:27:06.420 Half the fun of being online is you can escape your reality and become, you know, a fantasy role player.

00:27:14.080 You can be a little tougher online than you are in real life.

00:27:17.320 Do we know if these left-wing fight clubs actually do meet?

00:27:21.680 Do we know if they actually do train?

00:27:23.540 And have they ever punched someone?

00:27:26.420 I don't think that there's any evidence at all that this particular group have gone out onto the streets to cause violence.

00:27:33.960 However, the reason that I feature them is because of the parallel between the right-wing active clubs and completely ignoring this club because it seems to be an utter parallel.

00:27:42.200 So, for example, the right-wing active clubs, one of the complaints by Legacy Media is that they were politically organizing.

00:27:48.160 Now, if you go through the Instagram, there are many posts that talk about, quote, political education, political education, organizing, for example, also, quote, community defense and collective power.

00:28:00.640 So that's very, very similar to the right wing clubs. But in the video of the CBC little mini clip documentary, they talk about how, well, these groups, you know, they're saying on their social media that they don't attack first.

00:28:12.920 And then you look here at the left wing clubs, the proletarian fighting our club, and they say on a number of occasions throughout that they they're learning to fight individually and collectively, they said, but also that they're training to, quote, overcome passivity amongst other sections which talk about proactive fighting.

00:28:29.880 So, for example, they say in one post, quote, we at the PFAC would never advocate for waiting for a known and certain aggressor to attack you.

00:28:39.240 And so there's all kinds of posts like this. So they do, in other words, punch first.

00:28:42.920 That's what they're telling their members to do. They do meet regularly in Scarborough, in Macowan Road area, I believe.

00:28:52.180 They have been for some time. They're also associated with multiple, I mean, being socialists and left wing.

00:28:58.240 They're not acting on their own. They're not individualists. They're collectivists. And so they do work with and advocate with many other organizations, some tenant collectives, but also, you know, the BDS movement.

00:29:11.320 They're very close with the Toronto Palestinian families, who's been controversial, but also multiple other pro-Palestinian organizations causing some trouble on the streets.

00:29:21.260 And so whilst there's no credible evidence that the people of this collective are themselves engaging in violent action on the streets, it could be the case, given the people that they are absolutely associating with and their propensity to encourage their members to be proactive.

00:29:37.900 Yeah, you know, there's two visions I have in my brain when I think of left-wing activists.

00:29:42.640 The first is what we saw out in force at the NDP Leadership Convention over the last few days, which is absolute clownishness, people who revel in being losers and, you know, seeking equity and, you know, their disability that or their pronouns.

00:30:01.480 this like really um people who i i think uh would not be a physical threat to anyone other than to

00:30:09.380 themselves they're sort of laughable um however you put those people in a mask and cover them

00:30:15.680 head to toe in black the black block style suddenly some of them find a little bit of 0.97

00:30:20.800 courage like if you actually see antifa thugs who are unmasked they're sort of losers but then they

00:30:26.340 get this strength from their anonymity from their uniform and from their collective action

00:30:30.620 I was in Portland when Andy Ngo was suing some of the Antifa who almost beat him to death.

00:30:37.840 And as individuals without their masks on, they are as laughable as the NDP we all saw on TV.

00:30:43.580 But you put masks on them and make them anonymous, they can get violent.

00:30:48.180 But I want to touch on something you just said.

00:30:50.420 They have made alliances with foreign nationals who are pushing pro-Hamas, pro-Iran lines.

00:30:57.360 And my personal observation is those people are lawbreakers every time they go out, whether it's uttering threats, mischief, vandalism, harassment, trespass.

00:31:07.660 You know, in Toronto recently, there's been three synagogues and a consulate shot all within a week.

00:31:13.740 So I think on the one hand, this is sort of LARPing, live action role playing where they're sort of playing tough guy.

00:31:20.820 it's easy to do on instagram but it wouldn't surprise me if some of them actually go out and

00:31:26.240 and do at the very least vandalism and i don't know i don't know who's behind shooting these

00:31:30.980 synagogues and the police haven't told us yet um i don't know what do you think about that

00:31:35.020 the the intersection the red green alliance the the communist canadians and the islamist foreigners

00:31:42.540 Listen, I'm not a fan of, you know, politically organizing far left or far right groups training to fight. Sometimes, I mean, going through this, it felt like perhaps they're training to fight each other and people like you and me, Ezra, for example, are kind of caught in the crosshairs here.

00:32:01.480 But don't forget, and yes, I do think there's concern of this particular group, especially if we're going to be covering the far left. I am not aware of the right wing active clubs bringing children along to their training. I've not seen that. I mean, it could be, but I have not seen that.

00:32:20.040 But one of the central things that the proletarian Fighting Arts Collective are doing is regularly training youth, so young children, into this particular ideology to proactively go after the so-called fascists.

00:32:34.000 And by the way, it's not just fascists. I mean, in their posts, they say that they are criticizing liberals, fascists, right-wing libertarians, but even social democrats.

00:32:46.740 And so they're expanding their, their, their, their spectrum of political ideologies that they're against. And so, you know, who's next? Progressives, other socialists, we don't know. And one of the clips that I found to be concerning about the youth element, the youth faction of the proletarian fighting arts collective is football games, sorry, American football.

00:33:09.120 So soccer games being played. And the two teams were communists versus Gaza with some music about liberating Palestine and so forth.

00:33:19.180 And so, you know, that deserves a little bit of attention in and of itself.

00:33:24.220 You know, it's funny. I was just going to say, I'm looking at some of these Instagram posts of the groups who seem to support this fight club.

00:33:31.360 and half of them have palestinian logos they have you know the the map of israel or the

00:33:38.220 watermelon symbol which is the pro-hammas symbol so i suppose in that way there's really no

00:33:44.760 difference between second sons and the proletarian fighting arts collective the one thing they can

00:33:51.320 agree on is they don't like the jews very much they don't like the jews yeah um well do you 1.00

00:33:57.920 think this is do you think this is something that um is a real risk is this the kind of i tell you

00:34:03.480 one thing if this if these groups were on the right it would be a top thesis priority top

00:34:09.020 research priority a top media priority there would be undercover police infiltrating which

00:34:15.240 probably a good idea i i wonder if any of those responses have come to this group on the left or

00:34:21.300 like with Gabrielle LePage in Quebec, if he's, you know, if his crimes are pardoned in advance

00:34:28.380 because he's on the right side? I can't say about risk. I mean, I think I would be speculating. But

00:34:34.460 what I do think is a risk is this growing trend for our national security organizations. Now,

00:34:42.840 whether that be the local police, whether that be, you know, the RCMP or CSIS to focus very,

00:34:50.160 very heavily on some groups and not others. When taking this example, taking this article as an

00:34:56.680 example, the parallels between these two different groups are very striking. And I would actually say

00:35:03.800 that to many, to a large degree, the proletarian fighting arts collective is possibly even more

00:35:09.080 worrisome for the mere fact that they advocate very strongly to punch first, as I said, but also

00:35:14.800 that they're training children in this ideology and they're receiving no attention whatsoever.

00:35:19.600 the advantage of, I guess, you know, having attention on right-wing fight clips, they know

00:35:24.400 they're being watched. So there's an advantage there. They know that they have to be careful,

00:35:28.540 but these guys, they don't care. They know that they're not being watched. They know, for example,

00:35:32.780 their alliances with some very questionable pro-Palestinian organizations who have engaged

00:35:38.360 in crimes or have had members or affiliates engage in crimes on the streets over the past few years,

00:35:43.320 they're not being watched. And, you know, we see the result of that, whether it was before October

00:35:49.020 7th, whether it's anyone who was considered conservative or a white wing. And let's be

00:35:53.280 honest, I'm not even conservative. I don't even know if I'm right wing, but I've been treated

00:35:57.300 with the same ire from these Antifa types, right? So anyone they don't like, and after October 7th

00:36:03.740 turned into the Jews and everyone they don't like. So yes, I do think there's a risk. And I think 1.00

00:36:08.360 the risk is heightened by the fact that there's no scrutiny from the police services or national

00:36:15.240 security services on these individuals.

00:36:17.480 At least not that we know of.

00:36:18.760 If they were doing something undercover, we wouldn't probably know of it.

00:36:23.100 I know that CSIS has had for decades a plan of injecting informants or undercover personnel

00:36:31.480 into anything right wing.

00:36:32.680 I mean, certainly they did that at Coutts, Alberta, which is how they managed to entrap

00:36:37.180 a number of people there.

00:36:38.680 Well, listen, Melanie, keep up the great work.

00:36:40.120 Love to read it.

00:36:40.860 junonews.com is the website and look forward to having you on again thank you Ezra all right

00:36:47.440 there she is Melanie Bella stay with us your letters to me next

00:36:50.780 hey welcome back your letters to me about our interview with the ambassador S.G. Reid says

00:37:05.700 I think Pete Hoekstra was quite reserved in his statements. I think he held back on what he wanted

00:37:11.160 to say on the way trade talks going with Carney. I have to say, I was a little disappointed he didn't

00:37:15.420 take a stronger stand. Well, remember his job title, diplomat. His job is to be diplomatic.

00:37:22.000 There were a few things where he said, oh, look, that's Canada's choice. But there was sort of a

00:37:26.440 look in his eyes of, well, I hope you make the right choice. We're not going to make the choice

00:37:29.820 for you, but that's, I mean, remember when I asked him about the F-35 versus the Saab

00:37:35.040 Gripen fighter? He said, well, you know, it's yours to choose, but here's something to think

00:37:39.980 about. Dennis West says, Hoekstra says Alberta can ship our oil through Washington. They will

00:37:46.740 build the pipelines. What does that tell you? The U.S. is easier to deal with than our own

00:37:50.640 fellow provinces. See you in October. Yeah, I mean, I think there are some mayors and governors

00:37:57.620 in the Pacific Northwest that are very environmentalist,

00:38:00.460 like Washington State and Oregon and California

00:38:03.300 are very left-wing places, and that's that whole West Coast.

00:38:06.800 But the ambassador sure was positive about it.

00:38:09.960 And look, a company in Saskatchewan called Nutrien

00:38:13.780 just announced they're going to ship through the U.S.

00:38:17.260 because they don't want to go through Canada.

00:38:18.520 Who needs that?

00:38:19.280 Who needs dealing with David Eby

00:38:20.940 and questions about indigenous title?

00:38:23.720 Who needs that?

00:38:25.500 Well, that's our show for the day.

00:38:27.220 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:38:30.920 to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - April 01, 2026

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