Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Dr. James Lindsay on Cultural Marxism

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, a feature-length interview with Dr. James Lindsay, Ph.D.,

00:00:05.780 the author of Race Marxism, and one of the few public intellectuals on the right.

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00:00:46.940 Tonight, a feature interview with Dr. James Lindsay on what he calls cultural Marxism.

00:00:53.300 It's March 22nd, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:58.400 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:02.040 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:06.120 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:11.960 There are not a lot of public intellectuals on the right.

00:01:21.020 I'm not sure why. I think it's the same reason there's not a lot of comedians on the right or movie stars on the right.

00:01:28.160 I think the culture of the industry is against it, and you either choose to go somewhere where you're liked or you're crushed and converted to be a leftist.

00:01:38.600 I also think that a lot of public intellectuals speak in a form of gobbledygook on purpose.

00:01:44.960 They use jargon.

00:01:46.260 They look to hide meaning, not make it plain.

00:01:49.800 We can think of conservative public intellectuals.

00:01:53.040 Jordan Peterson, I think, is the most profound example in recent years, and the fact that he's a Canadian makes it all the more remarkable.

00:02:00.200 I think that conservatives generally are skeptical of public intellectuals, but when we find one who's conservative, we really value them because they're so rare.

00:02:10.660 It's sort of how I feel about conservative journalists and conservative lawyers.

00:02:15.360 They're a rarity, and we need them on our side.

00:02:18.700 Our next guest is a public intellectual in every meaning of that word.

00:02:22.860 He is a Ph.D., though it's in math, one of the hard sciences.

00:02:28.320 He's demonized by every other public intellectual out there on the left because he's effective.

00:02:33.640 He's a good communicator.

00:02:34.920 When we had him on a couple months ago, it was a very popular show, so we've invited him back, and we're delighted to have him.

00:02:41.280 He's been in a lot of places since we met him last, including a stint on the Joe Rogan Experience, the most popular podcast in America.

00:02:50.840 So his ideas are certainly getting out there.

00:02:53.560 There's so much to choose over.

00:02:54.880 What a pleasure to welcome back to the show Dr. James Lindsay, author of Race Marxism, a book about critical race theory, and the boss of the new discourses.com website.

00:03:06.180 Well, Dr. Lindsay, I'm going to call you James just because I feel a sort of affection for you.

00:03:12.020 Give us an update on your travels.

00:03:14.260 I mean, you're taking a hard-line stance.

00:03:16.520 People are trying to censor you and de-platform you, but from what I can tell, you've actually never had a bigger platform.

00:03:23.340 Tell me a little bit about your life over the past couple months since we talked to you.

00:03:27.020 Oh, man, I get everywhere.

00:03:28.220 Thanks for having me.

00:03:29.720 I just got back from Arizona State University where I spoke to their history and politics department, and I, previous to that, spent a week in Oklahoma, a lot of time in the Oklahoma State House.

00:03:41.660 If you're looking at the map behind me and you see all the lines drawn on it, actually, those lines I've drawn on my world map on my wall are all the flights that I've taken since I've taken this project up.

00:03:53.940 And so you can see that I've been getting around.

00:03:57.400 There was very productive meetings in Oklahoma.

00:03:59.320 We're seeing a lot of activity and fire happening there.

00:04:02.180 So I'm going to be all over the U.S. coming soon.

00:04:05.820 And like you said, I appeared on Joe Rogan.

00:04:07.780 I went to Dallas and showed up with Glenn Beck.

00:04:10.500 I went to D.C. and talked to Sebastian Gorka.

00:04:13.760 So we're trying to get these ideas out there, get people to understand things about how critical race theory, for example, that's the book, really is race Marxism and how that ties into everything else that's happening around them.

00:04:25.640 It's one very small component of everything else that's happening around that everybody perceives now that something's very wrong.

00:04:31.960 So that's where I've been up, what I've been up to and where I'm going.

00:04:35.340 Yeah.

00:04:35.520 So the book is called Race Marxism.

00:04:37.380 We'll have a shot of it on the screen.

00:04:39.040 I think race Marxism is plainer language.

00:04:41.380 I mentioned before one of the pitfalls of intellectuals and academics is that they use a 10-letter word where sometimes a five-letter rule will do.

00:04:49.160 And I'm guilty of that myself.

00:04:51.000 Critical race theory is hard to understand.

00:04:56.680 I think for most people, those words just don't really make sense.

00:04:59.060 They know what each of those words means separately, but you put them together.

00:05:02.300 What's that?

00:05:03.460 Whereas race Marxism, I think people sort of click pretty quickly there, that you're transposing the Marxist, you know, the communist philosophy, which was about economics.

00:05:13.440 You're transposing it onto race.

00:05:15.040 Is that the meaning there pretty much?

00:05:17.300 Yeah, that's literally all that it is.

00:05:20.440 It comes down to it's very simple.

00:05:21.700 We hear mysterious words like critical race theory, and then you can trace them backwards.

00:05:26.400 And like you said, they hide the language.

00:05:27.800 But we hear other mysterious words within it like whiteness.

00:05:30.860 And if you do enough digging and reading, you'll figure out that what they mean by whiteness is what Marx called bourgeois property.

00:05:37.880 Marx said that the essence of communism can be summarized in a single sentence.

00:05:41.440 This is in the Communist Manifesto, the abolition of private or bourgeois property.

00:05:45.820 And so what do we see within critical race theory calls to abolish whiteness, calls to be less white and so on.

00:05:53.520 And what was Marx trying to do, awaken class consciousness, not just in the proletariat, which would be tantamount to people of color to rebel against the system, but also within the bourgeoisie itself to try to divest of their own advantage.

00:06:05.920 And that's where you see critical whiteness studies trying to awaken what they call a white awareness of their so-called white fragility and every other thing.

00:06:13.320 It's just a complete remake of the Marxist picture, the Marxist program in a completely different non-economic domain.

00:06:22.400 It's now in a kind of identity-based cultural domain.

00:06:27.040 You know, it's really a brilliant idea.

00:06:30.940 I mean, communism, though it doesn't actually work as an economic system, it works as an ideology for power.

00:06:39.040 And so why not apply it to other things?

00:06:41.960 As you were showing how it transposes Marxism on a race, I was thinking of feminism because I think certain forms of feminism could be called gender Marxism.

00:06:51.800 All the oppressors are male, all the, you know, the proletariat, the analogy here for the working class would be women.

00:07:00.240 And, you know, you have to be a male feminist. 1.00

00:07:03.200 You have to renounce your toxic masculinity.

00:07:05.700 So all the language, you just transpose it and it just really clicks over because I think it would be hard to appeal to wide swaths of the Western world on communist economics because so many people have such material comfort these days.

00:07:24.860 But if you can get them agitated over gender or race or these days transgenderism, I guess you can motivate them, pit them against each other and use it to destroy the establishment. 0.78

00:07:37.180 That's really the purpose, isn't it?

00:07:39.040 Yeah, you're exactly right.

00:07:40.240 Your analysis there of feminism or gender studies, whoever, whichever one you want to pick.

00:07:44.000 There's, you know, race Marxism and critical race theory, gender and sex Marxism and feminism and gender studies, queer theory, sexuality, Marxism.

00:07:53.000 We just don't use those terms because they've hidden them.

00:07:55.860 I mean, even the term critical race theory, just to try to drag back for one second, critical race theory is, according to Kimberly Crenshaw, who wrote it, this is an example of how they hide what they're doing in different words, is a critical theory of race.

00:08:08.400 She says we were critical theorists who are interested in racial justice and racial justice advocates who are doing critical theory.

00:08:13.860 So the name was natural.

00:08:15.180 That's how she came up with the name critical race theory.

00:08:17.460 But the name critical theory is actually a packaging up of something that other scholars have referred to as critical Marxism or Western Marxism.

00:08:27.060 So you call it critical theory as the thing that drives it.

00:08:30.340 And people don't detect that it's Marxist.

00:08:32.120 And that arose out of a thing that's called the Institute for Social Research from Goethe University in Frankfurt, Germany, the so-called Frankfurt School.

00:08:41.220 But the original name of that was the Institute for Marxism.

00:08:43.720 But its funders, Felix Veil in particular, said, well, that would be a little too on the nose.

00:08:48.100 So let's not call it the Institute for Marxism.

00:08:50.440 Let's call it something else and hide the ball.

00:08:52.800 And this actually goes all the way back to Karl Marx.

00:08:55.360 You know, you talk about this as an ideology.

00:08:57.000 It's actually more of a religion.

00:08:58.280 And the original title of the Communist Manifesto, most people don't know this, and Engels is the one, Friedrich Engels is the one who said, don't do that, Karl, was the Confession of Communist Faith by Karl Marx.

00:09:09.620 And so this hiding the nature of what they're actually creating is the essence of how they are able to get it to be insinuated into institutions and into society and to agitate a society to its own downfall and for their own ability to seize power.

00:09:29.560 I got to imagine it's tough to talk about these things.

00:09:32.920 I mean, you're trying to defog things.

00:09:37.240 You're trying to bring clarity.

00:09:38.300 And you're right, even the word theory.

00:09:40.140 Theory is such a—it could mean anything, but Marxism is very specific.

00:09:45.240 Better get rid of the word Marxism and put in a generic neutral word.

00:09:48.840 But if you're a male, taking on gender Marxism is tough.

00:09:54.380 You'll be called a misogynist.

00:09:56.280 If you're white, taking on critical race theory or race Marxism, you'll probably be called racist.

00:10:04.000 I can imagine it's tough because you're taking on the blueprints.

00:10:10.460 You're taking on the Rosetta Stone, like the universal translator to understand what's going on.

00:10:18.300 Not only do they hate you because you're against them, but they hate you because you're exposing them and teaching people how to think critically about them.

00:10:26.100 I would imagine they would regard you as a threat.

00:10:28.120 What kind of pushback have you received for your book, Race Marxism?

00:10:34.080 I mean, Jacobin Magazine just published a review of it.

00:10:38.020 If we want to use the word review pretty loosely, they say that I don't say anything at all and that I don't understand what I'm talking about.

00:10:45.880 And that it's a very strange and very bad book.

00:10:48.580 That was the summary.

00:10:50.620 It's kind of an interesting thing because I tweeted a few weeks ago, I put on Twitter that one of my operational goals right now is to shift the conversation to where it's no longer an argument about is critical race theory Marxist or not, to shift it to is Marxism bad or why is Marxism bad?

00:11:10.060 And that's actually what the review that this guy in Jacobin Magazine wrote.

00:11:14.140 His name is Matt McManus, if you want to look him up.

00:11:16.720 He actually wrote that I never give an argument for why critical race theory is bad.

00:11:22.120 I just call it Marxism.

00:11:23.440 And so I'm moving the – trying to move the conversation in that direction because I think we understand.

00:11:28.800 But the kind of pushback that I get is still mostly academic.

00:11:31.520 I occasionally have protesters show up.

00:11:33.320 So I did a talk in Delaware last November and a young man showed up and burned an American flag and I went out to talk to him and he said, well, there's a Nazi in there named James Lindsay.

00:11:43.280 And I said, OK, who's that?

00:11:45.260 I've never heard of him.

00:11:46.100 And then he said he's a Nazi.

00:11:47.860 He doesn't want to teach history.

00:11:49.680 He doesn't want to teach about slavery.

00:11:50.960 He hates critical race theory.

00:11:52.180 And I said, well, what's critical race theory?

00:11:53.520 And he said, it's teaching history.

00:11:54.760 And it's obviously a very misinformed young man asked him.

00:11:58.940 He's 17 years old, so I didn't want to like mess with him too much.

00:12:02.320 But, you know, so he burns a flag outside.

00:12:05.020 I've had Antifa showed up to one of my talks in Wisconsin.

00:12:08.980 The police kept them duly at bay.

00:12:11.660 I've had protesters show up to a few things.

00:12:14.240 Mostly, though, it's been OK and just kind of the online harassment one comes to expect these days.

00:12:19.940 But when I speak at universities so far, more or less universally, there's been a couple of small exceptions.

00:12:27.020 Republicans have to speak off campus because they it's too risky to bring a voice from my perspective or conservative in general on campus in many cases.

00:12:39.140 You said so many things.

00:12:40.640 I want to take on a few.

00:12:41.500 The first is I myself have had that experience of meeting a protester and being told I'm here to protest Ezra Levant.

00:12:48.980 And I had to keep my face like I had a camera with me.

00:12:52.660 I'm going to see if I can dig up that clip and we'll add it to the interview because I managed not to giggle or to give anything away.

00:13:01.260 And then I started talking about what she thought about Ezra Levant and what she would say to Ezra Levant if she ever met him.

00:13:06.680 I did enjoy that.

00:13:08.140 But she was certainly sure that she didn't like that Ezra Levant character.

00:13:11.860 No, thank you.

00:13:13.360 You don't want to talk at a rally?

00:13:15.220 Not to the sun.

00:13:16.660 How come you don't want to talk to the sun?

00:13:19.120 Well, because you know why.

00:13:20.680 Why?

00:13:21.860 No, thank you.

00:13:22.740 Are we more critical than other media?

00:13:24.540 No, thank you.

00:13:26.340 Will you talk to other reporters?

00:13:28.160 Yeah.

00:13:28.500 Is there any other reporter you won't talk to besides the sun?

00:13:32.000 No.

00:13:33.200 Is it because I'm critical of the Line 9 protesters?

00:13:36.280 It's because of Ezra, you know?

00:13:39.160 And what do you think of Ezra?

00:13:40.320 Well, he's connected with ethical, ethical oil, unethical oil.

00:13:45.280 And if he had one message to say to Ezra, what would it be?

00:13:49.360 No comment.

00:13:51.540 Do you think Ezra's going to show up today?

00:13:53.420 I have no idea.

00:13:54.620 No idea.

00:13:55.680 What do you think Ezra looks like?

00:13:56.780 Do you think he's ugly?

00:13:58.500 Does that matter, what his appearance looks like? 0.99

00:14:00.700 He thinks he's ugly. 0.97

00:14:01.780 Well, then... 0.98

00:14:02.680 He's got a low-body self-image.

00:14:05.060 Well, that's his issue.

00:14:08.140 Any last messages for Ezra if I see him?

00:14:10.360 No.

00:14:11.120 No?

00:14:12.020 Okay, nice to meet you.

00:14:14.080 It's like the protester equivalent of,

00:14:18.100 can you find Ukraine on a map that they're going around and doing right now?

00:14:20.940 Exactly.

00:14:21.600 That's exactly right.

00:14:22.900 I want to disagree with you on something.

00:14:24.960 You say that you're...

00:14:27.320 It sounds like you didn't really like that review in Jacobin Magazine,

00:14:32.360 but I'm going to disagree with you.

00:14:34.160 It is remarkable that your book was even reviewed.

00:14:37.220 Because I...

00:14:37.740 Oh, I'm very excited about it.

00:14:39.240 Actually, I'm giddy that they decided to elevate,

00:14:44.260 that I clearly have struck close enough to the core

00:14:47.640 that they felt the need to write something and publish it.

00:14:50.040 Oh, yeah.

00:14:50.340 Well, I mean, even if every word they say is false and unfair,

00:14:54.280 the fact that they treated it and responded to it in their own way,

00:14:59.460 my experience, probably for close to 10 years now,

00:15:03.600 is that the other side...

00:15:05.820 I mean, Vladimir Lenin and Chairman Mao Zedong

00:15:09.200 did not engage in debates.

00:15:12.020 They rounded up the other side and sent in prison.

00:15:14.580 And in Cambodia, anyone with glasses was obviously a reader.

00:15:20.840 So they were just sent away.

00:15:22.180 They didn't have debates.

00:15:23.160 In fact, if you could debate, you were an enemy.

00:15:26.620 So the fact that your work...

00:15:29.380 Some parts of the left in America still engage is remarkable.

00:15:34.320 Because they...

00:15:34.760 I mean, we've published seven or eight best-selling books here at Rebel News.

00:15:40.520 Not a single one of them has been reviewed, even a hate review.

00:15:44.440 Even though I think six or seven of them have gone to number one

00:15:48.220 on the Canadian best-seller charts,

00:15:50.240 they simply will not dignify us.

00:15:53.060 They call it deplatforming.

00:15:54.320 I'm sure you have it down there.

00:15:56.240 I want to come back then in a second.

00:15:57.580 I just want to say one more thing.

00:15:58.900 The fact that they're saying,

00:15:59.960 well, he says Marxism is bad, but we don't think so,

00:16:02.440 I think that shows you how deep you've got to go foundationally to respond.

00:16:06.540 I think that's...

00:16:07.580 I'm now very curious.

00:16:09.080 I want to read that criticism of your book,

00:16:11.360 because it sounds like a good-faith criticism.

00:16:14.700 He's saying, well, he's calling race Marxism Marxism.

00:16:17.900 Yeah, so?

00:16:19.500 Like, you don't even know how bad it is.

00:16:22.540 You've got to go one level deeper to explain why Marxism is bad.

00:16:25.660 They're giving you their best response in that, James.

00:16:28.820 Yes, I fully agree.

00:16:30.280 And I really do want to drag the conversation in that direction

00:16:34.400 to where now we're discussing not, is it Marxism,

00:16:38.080 but it's bad because it's Marxism, and why is Marxism bad?

00:16:41.460 Let's reinvigorate that conversation.

00:16:44.320 Because like I said at the very beginning,

00:16:45.900 critical race theory is a very small part of a much larger thing that's being pushed.

00:16:50.440 We've mentioned gender Marxism.

00:16:52.140 We've mentioned, we could say, sexual Marxism with queer theory. 0.84

00:16:54.880 You know, there's fat Marxism.

00:16:56.420 We see all these fat studies kinds of things coming around now

00:16:59.420 where, you know, it's okay to be obese, obese is healthy, blah, blah, blah,

00:17:02.660 you know, all of this stuff.

00:17:03.860 Your doctor can't tell you you're obese

00:17:05.460 because that's oppressing you or something like that.

00:17:07.500 And so these things are happening in multiple domains of identity at once.

00:17:12.320 That's the intersectional model, the identity Marxist model, as I call it.

00:17:16.820 And if we can get this back to people recognizing, okay, it's Marxist.

00:17:20.600 Well, why is Marxism bad?

00:17:21.860 Then we can go back to having the core conversation.

00:17:24.600 And even the biggest things that are happening,

00:17:26.180 the sustainability goals that the UN is putting out,

00:17:28.980 this is Marxism as well.

00:17:31.060 And when people start to recognize that

00:17:34.080 and we start to talk about why Marxism is bad again,

00:17:36.200 maybe we can actually stick our sword into the heartwood of this tree 1.00

00:17:39.620 and kill it this time. 1.00

00:17:41.500 You know what? 0.99

00:17:42.320 We're going to go there because I've been following your Twitter feed,

00:17:45.660 and I recommend everybody does.

00:17:47.020 The Twitter feed, your name online is Conceptual James.

00:17:52.520 We'll have that in the text under this video if people want to follow.

00:17:55.340 I find a very interesting compendium of the news of the day.

00:17:58.480 And I think one of the reasons why people don't know why Marxism is bad

00:18:02.880 is because I don't think we have a historical literacy.

00:18:06.280 I think the generation that fought Nazi totalitarianism is gone.

00:18:11.580 They've died.

00:18:12.720 And a lot of the generation that fought the Cold War

00:18:16.300 or that held the line during the Cold War,

00:18:19.120 you know, I mean, the Berlin Wall fell, what, I mean,

00:18:23.720 more than 30 years ago.

00:18:25.460 A lot of that generation is gone or just,

00:18:28.980 oh, that's old stuff, Grandpa.

00:18:30.800 I'm not bored.

00:18:31.500 That's boring.

00:18:32.380 Like, we're just too far removed.

00:18:35.640 You know, we've done streeters, as we call them.

00:18:37.820 We just go downtown Toronto, ask the most basic questions,

00:18:41.040 like who fought?

00:18:42.540 Yeah, you ask, who fought in the Second World War?

00:18:44.440 People don't know basic historical elements.

00:18:48.400 So if they don't know what Marxism really was in real life,

00:18:52.380 the only thing they've ever heard about it was from their college professors.

00:18:56.520 If, you know, Bernie Sanders is what they think Marxism is,

00:19:01.920 a friendly grandpa who wants to give them free everything,

00:19:04.940 it's not surprising that they like Marxism.

00:19:07.120 Marxism is what their cool professor taught them,

00:19:09.600 what the hot girl in college was talking about, 0.97

00:19:12.200 and what that friendly grandpa Bernie Sanders was talking about.

00:19:14.680 What's not to like about Marxism?

00:19:16.000 I like all those sweet things because I'm a 20-year-old kid.

00:19:19.020 Yeah, exactly.

00:19:19.820 And that's why I want that debate to come back up to the fore.

00:19:23.020 I want people to understand that we do need to be paying attention to Marxism

00:19:28.520 and that Marxism is alive and well.

00:19:30.600 It's clothed itself in new terms.

00:19:33.080 It's reinvented itself, and it's had a few twists and turns.

00:19:35.940 Like, for example, that it's now embedded in the corporate structure

00:19:39.380 as opposed to being allegedly against the corporate structure.

00:19:43.580 So I want that debate to come up to the front

00:19:46.440 so that especially younger people, like you're pointing out,

00:19:49.460 will realize that this is what's happening,

00:19:52.120 and it is the catastrophe of our lives

00:19:53.820 if we don't awaken to that fact and fight back against it

00:19:56.920 and stop it from being implemented.

00:19:59.380 You know, I was watching the movie Apocalypse Now again,

00:20:03.420 and it's a fascinating movie.

00:20:05.380 It's based on Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness,

00:20:07.700 but it was also a deep psychological critique of the Vietnam War, obviously.

00:20:13.580 And how many movies, in fact, you could say all of the TV show MASH,

00:20:18.220 even though it was set in Korea, was a criticism of Vietnam.

00:20:22.400 Schindler's List, an extremely powerful movie.

00:20:24.560 I guess what I'm saying is there are movies

00:20:25.960 that taught us what to think about Vietnam.

00:20:30.240 Schindler's List and countless movies taught us

00:20:32.240 what to think about German Nazis.

00:20:36.060 But I could probably name on one hand's fingers

00:20:39.120 the movies that have, and the cultural TV shows

00:20:43.820 that have shown us how horrific communism was.

00:20:47.420 There was The Lives of Others, a film set in East Germany.

00:20:50.400 I guess you could say The Death of Stalin is a dark comedy

00:20:54.900 that sort of shows how appalling it was under Stalinism.

00:20:59.280 But the fact that I've named two,

00:21:01.260 and I'm almost running out of ones to name,

00:21:03.980 we have not properly, the same way the West denazified 0.98

00:21:08.400 after the Second World War,

00:21:10.340 we never demarxified after the fall of the Soviet Union.

00:21:14.400 We just didn't do it.

00:21:16.100 Yeah, it's a fundamental irony.

00:21:17.500 We hear the critical racers tell us we have whitewashed education,

00:21:21.600 that white supremacy is geared education

00:21:24.060 so that it makes white people look good 0.92

00:21:25.900 and glorifies white people and elevates white people

00:21:28.740 and their role in history, et cetera.

00:21:30.260 But the fact of the matter is we have redwashed education.

00:21:32.720 We have had Marxists embedded in our education system

00:21:36.500 in the United States, at least,

00:21:38.720 since its public education inception with John Dewey,

00:21:42.300 who modeled the public education system,

00:21:45.780 his thoughts on it, and he was extremely influential in that,

00:21:48.780 on what he witnessed when he visited the USSR in the early 1920s.

00:21:52.560 He thought it was the ideal model.

00:21:54.320 And then we have incorporated more and more Marxist theory

00:21:56.900 into education, particularly through Paulo Freire

00:21:59.400 in the 1970s and 80s, or 80s in particular.

00:22:04.680 And so now our model of education is almost wholly that.

00:22:07.620 So a couple more films, you know,

00:22:09.100 just in case people want to see them.

00:22:10.580 And there is a good film that came out a couple of years ago

00:22:12.680 called Mr. Jones that documents the scandal

00:22:17.080 around the story of the Ukrainian Holodomor under Stalin.

00:22:23.780 And so it chases Gareth Jones,

00:22:27.020 the reporter that broke the story

00:22:28.640 that a democide was happening there.

00:22:30.420 And then the cover-up by Walter Durante,

00:22:34.740 who wrote famously Russians Hungry Not Starving

00:22:37.620 for the New York Times and God A. Pulitzer.

00:22:39.720 The Chinese context, there's the red violin,

00:22:42.480 which is a bit, if you've never seen it,

00:22:44.280 it's a bit abstract.

00:22:45.220 It's hard to kind of figure out what you're seeing

00:22:46.960 the first couple of times you watch it.

00:22:48.540 But it's a chronicle of the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

00:22:51.700 But there are very few films, really.

00:22:53.300 I mean, since kind of the, you know,

00:22:57.160 old Red Dawn and all of that kind of thing,

00:22:59.540 there are very few films really showing us

00:23:02.940 the horrors and evils of communism.

00:23:05.980 And I think that the horrors and evils of communism,

00:23:08.880 I don't even think that they are on a level

00:23:11.040 with the horrors and evils of Nazism, 0.85

00:23:12.520 which are terrible.

00:23:13.520 They're actually in excess of it.

00:23:15.380 They're larger.

00:23:16.380 And it is one of the biggest scandals

00:23:20.440 of the last hundred years

00:23:23.200 that there is not robust anti-communist education

00:23:25.760 and media throughout all of the Western and free world.

00:23:30.240 Yeah.

00:23:30.520 You know, I remember that movie, The Red Violin,

00:23:32.240 and I'm really glad you reminded me of it.

00:23:35.740 Yeah, I think they know the old saying,

00:23:40.460 and it's been described to everyone

00:23:42.180 from the Jesuits to Hitler, 0.66

00:23:45.220 you know, give me a child for a few years

00:23:48.840 and I have the man, or, you know,

00:23:50.840 give me the child, I'll give you the man,

00:23:52.340 or give me a child for one year.

00:23:54.240 I mean, there's variations on the theme.

00:23:56.720 If you get them young, 0.96

00:23:58.400 and that's why government schools are so dangerous,

00:24:02.100 and that's why the teachers' colleges

00:24:04.880 are so weaponized,

00:24:06.160 and that's why the secrecy

00:24:08.560 of what goes on in the classroom,

00:24:12.500 it was broken, I think,

00:24:13.780 when a lot of parents saw their kids

00:24:17.160 doing school by Zoom from home

00:24:20.760 and they heard things

00:24:22.120 that they had never imagined they would ever hear.

00:24:24.560 How would they hear them?

00:24:25.620 Because they're not in the class.

00:24:26.860 I think the phenomenon of parents overhearing

00:24:30.120 what was going on in their classes

00:24:31.860 is one of the reasons

00:24:33.480 why there was a parents uprising,

00:24:35.140 and in Virginia,

00:24:36.280 it was enough of a tidal wave

00:24:38.220 to sweep up the Democrats

00:24:39.660 and sweep in a governor.

00:24:40.780 I think the number one issue

00:24:41.680 in that race last November

00:24:43.620 was schools and critical race theory

00:24:46.360 and other Marxist ideas.

00:24:50.000 Absolutely, and that's going to be

00:24:51.260 across the country as well.

00:24:52.600 The parents' revolt is on and it's hot.

00:24:55.000 They're seeing what's happening in the schools.

00:24:56.900 A lot of that had to do,

00:24:57.840 like you said, with the pandemic,

00:24:59.540 giving us a direct window into that.

00:25:01.420 I've talked to parents all over the country

00:25:02.940 who have been telling me,

00:25:04.300 they say, James, you have to hear me.

00:25:06.120 You cannot get in as a parent

00:25:07.960 into the schools

00:25:08.860 to see what the teachers are doing.

00:25:10.180 They don't let you in.

00:25:11.280 It used to be if you wanted

00:25:12.660 to go observe a class,

00:25:13.780 I remember my parents

00:25:14.740 doing it occasionally,

00:25:15.880 it wasn't that hard.

00:25:17.100 You scheduled it,

00:25:17.740 you showed up, you did it,

00:25:18.600 and the parents are telling me

00:25:19.860 they don't let you come in

00:25:21.280 and see what's happening.

00:25:22.640 And the reason is

00:25:23.620 because they didn't want it seen,

00:25:24.920 and then they started to see it over Zoom,

00:25:26.620 and the assignments

00:25:27.620 had to be done at home.

00:25:28.920 I just saw an example

00:25:29.940 I shared on my Twitter feed

00:25:31.400 a couple of hours ago from,

00:25:33.080 and I put it in context

00:25:34.280 of how it's extraordinarily Marxist,

00:25:36.640 where there's an example

00:25:37.800 of a mathematics lesson

00:25:39.380 in a Pennsylvania high school.

00:25:41.160 I think it's a sophomore,

00:25:42.220 junior level, or thereabouts.

00:25:43.900 And what they're doing

00:25:46.340 is basic statistics,

00:25:47.540 but the statistics

00:25:48.220 they're having the kids calculate

00:25:49.800 are essentially like,

00:25:51.140 if you're this race,

00:25:51.980 what's the probability

00:25:52.780 that you're going to live in poverty?

00:25:54.760 And so they're doing exactly

00:25:56.300 like what the Chinese 1.00

00:25:57.340 under the CCP

00:25:58.440 and the Soviets

00:25:59.800 under the USSR did,

00:26:01.440 is they're shuttling the ideology

00:26:02.820 into the shape of the question.

00:26:04.380 So the word problem

00:26:05.380 is phrased in a paragraph

00:26:07.260 that has political relevance.

00:26:09.020 And so they're subtly

00:26:10.700 using a mathematics lesson

00:26:12.240 about probability

00:26:12.920 and statistics to indoctrinate.

00:26:14.780 And, you know,

00:26:15.280 somebody immediately replied

00:26:16.400 to me on Twitter,

00:26:17.000 and they said,

00:26:17.540 oh, I don't see that.

00:26:18.220 This just seems like

00:26:18.820 a great way to learn,

00:26:20.120 you know, to connect

00:26:20.820 to the relevance

00:26:21.480 of the topic

00:26:22.620 of probability and statistics,

00:26:23.920 because that's

00:26:25.020 a socially relevant issue.

00:26:26.320 But imagine if the question,

00:26:27.940 imagine what would happen,

00:26:28.900 imagine how the left

00:26:29.680 would react

00:26:30.380 if the worksheet said,

00:26:33.660 you know,

00:26:34.100 an Asian woman

00:26:34.840 is attacked

00:26:35.400 in the city of New York

00:26:36.680 or Toronto.

00:26:37.860 What's the probability,

00:26:39.240 given these statistics,

00:26:40.060 that her attacker 0.89

00:26:40.680 was a black man? 0.98

00:26:41.640 People would go berserk, right? 0.93

00:26:44.680 And so they see it

00:26:46.260 when it's the political ideology

00:26:47.480 that they don't want supported,

00:26:50.940 and they can't see it

00:26:53.180 when it's a political ideology

00:26:54.380 they think should be supported.

00:26:55.920 And that political blindness

00:26:57.100 is where this is getting

00:26:58.240 undue support.

00:26:59.580 But parents are getting

00:27:00.860 wise to this.

00:27:01.720 And like you said,

00:27:02.260 it's becoming the key issue.

00:27:04.020 Like I said,

00:27:04.380 I just spent a week

00:27:05.100 in Oklahoma

00:27:06.040 in the statehouse

00:27:06.960 and spoke with people

00:27:08.300 from the governor on down

00:27:09.760 through the House

00:27:11.260 and Senate there all week.

00:27:13.560 And the issue is very close

00:27:17.080 to the leading issue

00:27:18.160 in that state right now,

00:27:19.500 the issue of education

00:27:20.380 and parents being very concerned.

00:27:22.460 School choice is now

00:27:23.640 becoming a leading issue

00:27:24.780 across the United States.

00:27:26.520 I don't know how it works

00:27:27.400 in Canada,

00:27:27.940 but it's certainly becoming

00:27:30.020 a key electoral issue

00:27:31.980 across the United States

00:27:33.660 right now.

00:27:34.180 So it is kind of the centerpiece.

00:27:38.080 Parents are realizing

00:27:38.900 that their children

00:27:39.780 are cannon fodder

00:27:41.780 for a communist revolution

00:27:43.080 slowly but surely,

00:27:44.320 and they do not want

00:27:45.400 their children to have that

00:27:46.680 or to lose their freedom

00:27:48.060 going forward.

00:27:49.980 I think one of the moments

00:27:52.920 that I would say

00:27:53.520 I grew up a bit

00:27:54.600 was when I learned

00:27:57.300 that millionaires,

00:27:59.620 billionaires,

00:28:00.360 Wall Street,

00:28:01.520 high finance guys,

00:28:03.660 they were capitalists,

00:28:05.940 but that didn't mean

00:28:06.640 they were conservative.

00:28:08.000 In fact,

00:28:08.400 in many cases,

00:28:09.620 they were anti-capitalists

00:28:11.940 in their ideology,

00:28:13.020 even though they,

00:28:13.460 I mean,

00:28:13.720 George Soros

00:28:14.280 is the perfect example

00:28:15.220 of that.

00:28:15.920 One of the richest men

00:28:16.740 in the world,

00:28:17.240 absolutely amoral

00:28:18.680 in how he makes his money,

00:28:20.680 and yet he funds anti-capitalism.

00:28:23.880 He could never have thrived

00:28:25.300 or survived

00:28:25.960 in another system.

00:28:30.080 But it was a realization to me

00:28:33.860 when that's all of Wall Street

00:28:36.460 and I don't know

00:28:37.560 if that's just the mob

00:28:41.600 and if you disagree

00:28:42.420 you have to be quiet

00:28:43.520 or if there's some sort

00:28:45.580 of rent seeking

00:28:46.820 or some,

00:28:47.520 I don't know what it is,

00:28:48.580 but it's astonishing

00:28:50.020 how pro-left Wall Street is

00:28:53.240 just like Silicon Valley

00:28:55.120 which used to be about freedom

00:28:56.340 but it's incredibly pro-left

00:28:58.420 and eventually

00:29:00.080 that works its way

00:29:01.420 through the rules

00:29:02.520 and the regs.

00:29:04.140 And I want to show this clip

00:29:05.320 on how what is called

00:29:07.840 ESG,

00:29:10.900 which you remind me

00:29:12.200 stands for environmentalism,

00:29:15.560 social governance.

00:29:16.580 social governance.

00:29:18.240 So this is basically

00:29:19.220 wokeism in companies

00:29:21.560 is now going to be something

00:29:22.960 that the U.S. Securities

00:29:24.080 and Exchange Commission

00:29:25.220 will demand filings

00:29:27.320 from companies about.

00:29:28.400 They used to file,

00:29:29.340 you know,

00:29:30.040 management discussions

00:29:31.140 of risks to the company

00:29:32.400 and their financial statements

00:29:34.460 and if there's any material news

00:29:36.860 and now they have to go

00:29:39.340 through this woke checklist.

00:29:40.960 Here's a clip

00:29:41.620 of the SEC getting ready

00:29:43.620 to deploy this,

00:29:45.840 I'm going to call it,

00:29:46.600 critical theory.

00:29:47.160 Take a look.

00:29:48.000 As you've heard,

00:29:48.820 today the commission

00:29:49.700 is considering proposing rules

00:29:51.320 to enhance and standardize

00:29:52.820 climate disclosure.

00:29:54.380 These proposals

00:29:55.120 would require public companies

00:29:56.580 to provide

00:29:57.320 in their registration statements

00:29:59.220 and annual reports

00:30:00.560 certain information

00:30:01.860 on risks

00:30:02.480 that climate poses

00:30:03.560 to short, medium,

00:30:04.920 and long-term

00:30:05.640 financial performance

00:30:06.860 and on steps

00:30:08.640 the company plans

00:30:09.500 to take

00:30:09.940 to mitigate this risk

00:30:11.240 such as

00:30:12.120 an internal carbon price

00:30:14.040 if there is one,

00:30:15.360 scenario analysis

00:30:16.420 if the company does it,

00:30:18.020 transition plans

00:30:18.940 if the company has them,

00:30:20.700 or targets

00:30:21.560 if the company has set them.

00:30:23.820 Public companies

00:30:24.580 would also disclose governance

00:30:25.960 around climate issues.

00:30:28.440 Besides the disclosures

00:30:29.740 on risk

00:30:30.420 and on the company's response,

00:30:32.580 the proposed rules

00:30:33.400 would require disclosure

00:30:34.620 on current financial impacts

00:30:36.420 and on financial expenditures

00:30:37.860 due to climate-related events

00:30:39.500 and transition activities.

00:30:41.940 Finally,

00:30:42.960 the rule would require

00:30:43.900 disclosure

00:30:44.400 about the carbon footprint

00:30:45.680 through Scopes 1 and 2

00:30:47.420 GHG emissions

00:30:48.460 and Scope 3

00:30:49.480 if Scope 3 emissions

00:30:51.060 are material

00:30:51.940 or used as part

00:30:53.240 of a climate-related

00:30:54.060 target or goal.

00:30:55.240 So what exactly was that?

00:30:57.040 I mean,

00:30:57.840 who are those people?

00:31:00.500 How would this come in?

00:31:01.520 All of a sudden,

00:31:02.040 now companies

00:31:02.520 would have to hire

00:31:03.380 all these, quote,

00:31:04.600 experts in ESG.

00:31:06.420 So that would create

00:31:07.600 an industry

00:31:08.260 for these otherwise

00:31:09.440 unemployable wokists. 1.00

00:31:11.400 They'd obviously

00:31:12.300 be six-figure jobs.

00:31:14.280 And their chief recommendation

00:31:15.600 would be to hire them more,

00:31:17.620 I would imagine,

00:31:18.700 and to make payments

00:31:20.200 Al Sharpton-style

00:31:22.320 or Jesse Jackson-style

00:31:23.720 to pressure groups.

00:31:24.880 It's basically

00:31:25.480 to ratchet,

00:31:27.420 sorry,

00:31:28.160 to clamp on

00:31:30.260 like a barnacle

00:31:31.040 to the side of a ship

00:31:32.100 and just sail through the seas

00:31:34.120 on these big companies.

00:31:35.460 And I bet

00:31:36.860 there's not a single CEO

00:31:38.020 who's against it.

00:31:39.600 Well, I mean,

00:31:40.040 if you want to,

00:31:41.340 you can compare it

00:31:42.260 to the mob,

00:31:43.100 you can compare it

00:31:44.220 to the capital P party,

00:31:46.240 the Soviet party

00:31:47.380 or whatever you want.

00:31:48.880 But this is what it is.

00:31:51.180 And so what we're actually

00:31:52.100 witnessing there

00:31:53.000 is the final stage

00:31:55.660 where what we have

00:31:57.500 is this ESG

00:31:58.540 measurement statistic

00:32:00.860 or set of measurement statistics

00:32:03.060 has been being used

00:32:04.400 by large asset management firms

00:32:06.200 like Vanguard,

00:32:07.160 BlackRock,

00:32:07.880 Goldman Sachs,

00:32:08.580 et cetera,

00:32:09.040 for a while,

00:32:10.960 a decade maybe.

00:32:13.020 And it is effectively

00:32:14.060 a social credit system

00:32:15.080 for corporations.

00:32:16.040 They've created

00:32:16.760 this nonsense claim

00:32:18.720 that if people

00:32:19.480 are environmentally responsible

00:32:20.860 according to their dictates,

00:32:23.080 if they are socially just

00:32:24.700 according to their

00:32:25.900 measurements of that,

00:32:26.860 and if they have good

00:32:27.560 corporate governance practices

00:32:29.720 according to their

00:32:30.640 definitions of those things,

00:32:32.660 then those companies

00:32:33.500 are more sustainable

00:32:34.780 long-term

00:32:36.000 and they're a better

00:32:36.640 long-term investment.

00:32:37.780 So that was the scam

00:32:38.720 that they started

00:32:39.360 with investment capital,

00:32:41.300 asset management,

00:32:42.580 pension fund management,

00:32:44.000 et cetera,

00:32:44.820 and ensnared banks,

00:32:46.960 institutions,

00:32:47.520 and the vast majority

00:32:48.940 of large corporations

00:32:49.840 by creating a fraudulent

00:32:52.020 social credit system

00:32:53.700 that ranks companies

00:32:54.780 in terms of this vague thing

00:32:56.700 called their long-term

00:32:57.680 sustainability,

00:32:59.180 long-term profitability

00:33:00.360 that was going to be able

00:33:02.040 to be determined

00:33:02.660 by stakeholders

00:33:03.520 who are experts

00:33:04.300 in environmental policy,

00:33:05.540 social justice,

00:33:06.460 and best practices

00:33:07.500 in corporate governance.

00:33:08.860 But we see that these things

00:33:09.900 are actually quite arbitrary.

00:33:11.740 Environmental policy

00:33:12.680 doesn't necessarily have anything

00:33:13.940 to do with actual

00:33:14.700 environmental policy.

00:33:15.840 We made billions

00:33:17.540 and billions of masks

00:33:18.620 that are now floating around

00:33:19.640 in the ocean.

00:33:20.140 For example,

00:33:21.580 environmental policy

00:33:22.900 has to do with pushing

00:33:24.400 their green energy revolution,

00:33:26.200 which allows them

00:33:26.860 to control

00:33:27.500 the entire business world,

00:33:32.280 the entire manufacturing

00:33:33.160 and industry world,

00:33:34.000 according to their dictates

00:33:35.300 of what is good

00:33:36.280 environmental policy

00:33:37.080 and what isn't.

00:33:37.680 And of course,

00:33:38.100 it's not applied equally.

00:33:39.740 It's applied equitably

00:33:41.080 so that countries like China

00:33:42.360 get exemptions,

00:33:43.860 whereas companies

00:33:44.400 like the United States

00:33:45.400 and Great Britain

00:33:46.060 and Canada

00:33:46.580 get smashed

00:33:47.440 with their policies.

00:33:49.360 Social justice

00:33:50.460 is just a gigantic

00:33:51.700 communist scam anyway.

00:33:53.620 Corporate governance scores

00:33:54.960 primarily go up

00:33:55.820 by, like you said,

00:33:56.580 installing these political officers,

00:33:58.200 these ESG officers

00:33:59.440 or diversity, equity,

00:34:01.180 and inclusion consultants

00:34:02.300 or EDI, DEI,

00:34:03.860 depending on how

00:34:04.460 they order the letters,

00:34:05.900 consultants and officers

00:34:07.340 in institutions

00:34:08.420 and companies.

00:34:09.220 Why are the universities

00:34:11.320 creating such gigantic

00:34:12.540 bureaucratic apparatuses

00:34:13.840 filled with hundreds,

00:34:15.220 sometimes of deans

00:34:16.700 of diversity, equity,

00:34:18.000 and inclusion

00:34:18.400 in every department?

00:34:19.820 Well, because their ESG score

00:34:21.080 goes up.

00:34:21.580 And why would an institution

00:34:22.440 like a university

00:34:23.180 care about its ESG score?

00:34:24.680 Because its ESG score

00:34:26.020 is linked to how

00:34:26.960 its pension funds

00:34:27.720 are managed.

00:34:28.580 That's how.

00:34:29.340 That's why.

00:34:30.340 All the big money

00:34:31.260 is tied up with that.

00:34:32.940 And every corporation,

00:34:34.000 whether they agree,

00:34:34.900 you said you don't know

00:34:35.600 about CEOs agreeing

00:34:36.580 with it or not,

00:34:37.600 it doesn't matter

00:34:38.180 if they agree with it or not.

00:34:39.360 It's like the ring,

00:34:40.880 it's like the bull

00:34:41.980 on Wall Street

00:34:42.840 has a ring

00:34:43.400 through its nose

00:34:44.060 and that ring

00:34:44.480 is called ESG

00:34:45.220 and it's getting

00:34:45.700 jerked around.

00:34:46.900 So any corporate,

00:34:47.820 you know,

00:34:48.760 executive that's not 0.99

00:34:49.960 an idiot 1.00

00:34:50.340 is going to go along 1.00

00:34:51.300 with it,

00:34:51.560 whether he thinks

00:34:52.080 it's fake or not.

00:34:52.960 And I happen to know

00:34:53.760 that lots and lots

00:34:54.480 of them do think

00:34:55.100 it's bad and fake

00:34:56.340 and damaging

00:34:56.920 and a catastrophe

00:34:58.280 in the making,

00:34:59.000 but they don't have

00:34:59.940 a exit ramp from it

00:35:01.600 because they've got this.

00:35:02.580 And so what we see

00:35:03.140 in that clip

00:35:03.780 is the SEC is now,

00:35:05.960 the government

00:35:06.680 is now adopting this

00:35:07.920 and making it into policy.

00:35:09.880 So now we actually have

00:35:11.020 what the World Economic Forum

00:35:12.860 and International Monetary Fund,

00:35:14.380 for example,

00:35:15.700 have been referring to

00:35:16.780 for a long time

00:35:18.120 as a stakeholder

00:35:19.300 capitalist model

00:35:20.520 where the public-private

00:35:21.860 partnership

00:35:22.400 coming into full fruition,

00:35:24.660 the public

00:35:25.100 and the private sectors

00:35:26.140 are now fusing

00:35:26.960 by the SEC

00:35:28.560 taking the step

00:35:30.000 of also using

00:35:33.340 this ESG-based metric

00:35:35.320 to jerk around companies

00:35:36.620 and to regulate companies.

00:35:38.140 And of course,

00:35:38.600 the biggest corporations

00:35:39.600 that are all kind of

00:35:40.460 in this cartel

00:35:41.480 can survive this

00:35:42.700 and can mutually benefit

00:35:43.920 for a while anyway

00:35:45.680 by keeping it up

00:35:47.740 and all competition

00:35:48.660 is going to be

00:35:49.320 absolutely squashed out

00:35:50.360 because it's too expensive

00:35:51.420 to hire all these

00:35:52.220 six-figure commissars.

00:35:53.600 It's too expensive

00:35:54.540 to implement these policies.

00:35:56.300 It's too expensive

00:35:56.900 to rely wholly

00:35:57.720 on green energy,

00:35:58.780 et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:35:59.980 So they can enter

00:36:01.040 into our new sustainable future

00:36:03.200 that is the new

00:36:04.580 completely administered economy

00:36:06.360 that will eventually

00:36:07.460 work out perfectly.

00:36:08.740 It is the global bid

00:36:10.320 for communism

00:36:11.000 coming in

00:36:12.260 through the corporations,

00:36:13.300 coming in

00:36:13.760 through the asset managers

00:36:14.960 under the brand name

00:36:15.940 of ESG.

00:36:17.920 You know,

00:36:18.460 I think your comparison

00:36:20.340 of the Chinese

00:36:20.880 social credit score

00:36:21.780 is apt.

00:36:23.260 You know,

00:36:23.580 you made me think

00:36:24.120 of something

00:36:24.400 I hadn't thought of

00:36:25.060 in years.

00:36:25.520 In my book,

00:36:25.980 Ethical Oil,

00:36:27.440 the case for Canada's oil sense,

00:36:29.220 you take ethical and oil,

00:36:31.360 you put those two words together,

00:36:32.560 a lot of people

00:36:33.000 are sort of startled,

00:36:34.000 but you make the case,

00:36:35.320 look, Canadian oil,

00:36:36.080 American oil is made

00:36:37.460 more ethically

00:36:38.480 than oil in OPEC

00:36:39.720 dictatorships or Russia.

00:36:40.900 It's a pretty easy argument,

00:36:42.140 actually,

00:36:42.920 whether it's environmental,

00:36:44.360 peace,

00:36:45.440 how you pay the workers,

00:36:47.500 civil rights,

00:36:48.000 whatever.

00:36:49.320 When I was doing that book,

00:36:50.720 I looked at investment firms,

00:36:54.080 investment funds,

00:36:54.980 that said we will never invest

00:36:56.240 in the oil sands.

00:36:57.560 They were divesting

00:36:59.000 from the oil sands

00:36:59.820 or even indeed

00:37:00.540 from all fossil fuels.

00:37:01.780 And when I looked,

00:37:03.140 I just went online

00:37:03.960 and I looked at

00:37:04.980 what these funds held.

00:37:08.000 And these so-called

00:37:09.340 ethical funds,

00:37:11.720 almost all of them

00:37:13.120 had big investments

00:37:15.040 in China

00:37:16.060 and not just

00:37:16.560 general investments.

00:37:18.560 I remember there was one

00:37:19.260 that invested

00:37:19.960 in that railway

00:37:21.760 into Tibet,

00:37:22.960 which has been

00:37:23.560 universally regarded

00:37:24.920 as a,

00:37:26.160 not only the building

00:37:27.040 of that railway

00:37:27.700 as a human rights violation,

00:37:28.840 but the purpose

00:37:29.300 was to import millions

00:37:31.960 of ethnically

00:37:33.300 Han Chinese people

00:37:34.640 to dilute 1.00

00:37:35.740 and really destroy 0.58

00:37:37.240 Tibet

00:37:38.740 in the same way

00:37:39.960 that the Soviet Union

00:37:40.720 would rustify

00:37:41.560 the ethnic republics.

00:37:43.000 I mean,

00:37:43.240 you can have your opinions

00:37:44.000 on those things

00:37:44.780 one way or the other,

00:37:45.700 but the fact is

00:37:47.120 these were ethical funds

00:37:48.280 saying we will never invest

00:37:49.520 in Canadian oil,

00:37:50.780 but we're going to invest

00:37:51.940 in the Chinese

00:37:52.980 Communist Party railway.

00:37:55.220 And when you contact

00:37:57.820 these folks,

00:37:58.440 and I contacted

00:37:59.140 some of them,

00:38:00.620 why are you in there?

00:38:02.840 And they would say,

00:38:03.960 well, you see,

00:38:04.700 by being at the table,

00:38:06.420 we can bring

00:38:07.280 a shareholder's resolution

00:38:08.620 to chide the companies

00:38:10.680 and ask them to do that.

00:38:11.600 Now, they do bring

00:38:12.840 those shareholder's resolutions,

00:38:14.600 but they never carry the day.

00:38:17.420 So,

00:38:17.640 so-called ethical funds

00:38:20.020 are actually unethical funds.

00:38:23.240 They're in all the bad companies.

00:38:25.060 They're loving it.

00:38:26.120 They just give themselves

00:38:27.440 an excuse by saying

00:38:28.520 they're passing resolutions

00:38:29.540 once a year that are,

00:38:30.560 they're introducing resolutions

00:38:31.680 at annual shareholders meetings

00:38:33.200 that are ignored every time.

00:38:34.540 And I think

00:38:35.720 that's what this ESG business is.

00:38:39.000 And in fact,

00:38:40.120 diversity included 0.79

00:38:40.820 and then DIE. 0.52

00:38:42.740 I think these things

00:38:43.880 are just

00:38:44.340 a preemptive attack

00:38:47.100 on the other guy

00:38:48.220 and an excuse-ology

00:38:50.380 for yourself.

00:38:51.380 That's right.

00:38:52.420 They're a shield of virtue

00:38:54.120 and a sword of conquer

00:38:55.400 in each hand.

00:38:56.820 So you're holding up

00:38:57.540 the shield of

00:38:58.060 I care about the environment.

00:38:59.300 I care about social issues.

00:39:00.460 I have responsible government.

00:39:01.600 You shield yourself

00:39:02.380 from criticism.

00:39:03.180 You're the virtuous side.

00:39:04.600 Meanwhile,

00:39:04.980 you're literally wielding a sword

00:39:06.360 that will destroy

00:39:06.980 all of your competition

00:39:07.980 or that will divide

00:39:09.400 and conquer a population.

00:39:11.640 So it's a sword

00:39:12.300 and a shield

00:39:12.780 at the same time.

00:39:14.380 And they are also instruments,

00:39:16.560 though,

00:39:16.700 and it's very important

00:39:17.340 to understand this,

00:39:17.960 of arbitrary power.

00:39:18.860 So the best one

00:39:20.120 that recent events

00:39:21.900 have brought to bear

00:39:23.460 is this S-score,

00:39:25.480 this social score.

00:39:26.800 So you don't normally

00:39:28.040 associate the left

00:39:29.200 with being big fans

00:39:30.360 of, say, Halliburton

00:39:31.360 or, you know,

00:39:32.260 the military-industrial complex

00:39:33.980 or maybe Dick Cheney

00:39:34.980 or something like this.

00:39:36.140 But given the conflict

00:39:38.000 in Ukraine

00:39:38.500 and the way that Russia

00:39:39.660 has been framed with this

00:39:40.880 and the way that there

00:39:41.820 have been these requests

00:39:42.740 from Zelensky

00:39:43.660 for weapons

00:39:44.400 and fighter jets

00:39:45.700 and all of these things,

00:39:46.800 there's now a push

00:39:47.700 at the level

00:39:49.600 of these big asset managers

00:39:50.960 and everybody else

00:39:52.740 that makes these decisions

00:39:53.640 at those tables

00:39:54.420 to talk about the idea

00:39:55.980 of arms manufacturing

00:39:57.720 raising your S-score

00:39:59.200 under ESG

00:40:00.200 because creating the weapons

00:40:02.200 can create the ability

00:40:03.540 to fight the war

00:40:04.280 the way they want to fight it

00:40:05.480 and therefore be

00:40:06.640 a long-term social good

00:40:07.880 to fight the tyranny

00:40:08.680 of the Russians 0.68

00:40:09.340 that try to throw out

00:40:10.620 this narrative.

00:40:11.520 And so your S-score,

00:40:12.840 your social justice score,

00:40:14.380 that's supposed to be

00:40:15.220 about helping people

00:40:16.220 in equitable this and that,

00:40:17.700 is now able to be raised

00:40:20.200 by building bombs

00:40:21.920 that you're going to go drop 0.99

00:40:23.620 on Russians specifically.

00:40:26.380 So your S-score goes up

00:40:28.020 by contributing

00:40:29.140 to the war effort

00:40:30.240 against, let's say,

00:40:32.400 East Asia

00:40:32.880 with whom we've always

00:40:33.920 been at war

00:40:34.540 if we want to reference

00:40:35.620 Orwell here.

00:40:37.460 And so whoever the regime,

00:40:39.500 whoever decides

00:40:40.540 what ESG means

00:40:42.040 can decide that

00:40:43.500 arms manufacturing

00:40:45.000 or drug manufacturing

00:40:46.240 or whatever it happens

00:40:47.080 to be to achieve

00:40:48.300 whatever goal,

00:40:49.060 to target whoever

00:40:49.860 their enemies are,

00:40:51.720 raises your social score

00:40:52.860 because that's a social good.

00:40:54.320 But what that is

00:40:54.960 is a direct,

00:40:56.740 clear window

00:40:57.340 into the fact

00:40:58.060 that this is

00:40:58.700 the application

00:40:59.640 of arbitrary power

00:41:00.700 by people who want

00:41:01.520 to impose their vision

00:41:02.400 on the world.

00:41:03.520 And they have,

00:41:04.120 like I said,

00:41:04.580 a ring through the nose

00:41:05.540 of the bull of Wall Street

00:41:06.500 and can pull around

00:41:07.540 all of the power

00:41:08.680 that the entire

00:41:09.820 finance industry

00:41:10.780 commands,

00:41:12.200 including what that

00:41:13.140 does within other companies.

00:41:14.820 For example,

00:41:15.260 the tech companies

00:41:16.120 are then going to be

00:41:16.940 pulled around

00:41:17.440 by this same

00:41:18.260 ring in the nose.

00:41:20.060 And so they're going

00:41:20.560 to do the bidding as well.

00:41:21.700 And you can kind of

00:41:22.320 start to see

00:41:22.920 how the cartel was formed

00:41:24.340 that made this

00:41:25.520 global tyranny

00:41:26.780 or bid at global tyranny

00:41:27.960 actually possible.

00:41:29.120 And yes,

00:41:29.660 the Chinese social credit system,

00:41:31.100 the Chinese surveillance system

00:41:32.500 is the practice.

00:41:34.360 It's the beta test

00:41:35.420 for can this work globally.

00:41:38.780 You know,

00:41:39.620 I enjoy our conversation

00:41:41.320 and thank you.

00:41:41.840 I jotted down a few notes

00:41:43.060 I wanted to run by you.

00:41:46.220 We talked about

00:41:47.260 race Marxism

00:41:49.300 and gender Marxism.

00:41:50.460 We briefly,

00:41:51.320 you mentioned fat studies.

00:41:53.040 That's,

00:41:53.480 if I ever go back to college

00:41:55.240 and need an easy PhD,

00:41:57.080 I'm already a bit of an expert

00:41:58.200 on the subject.

00:41:58.960 But I've never seen censorship

00:42:02.000 as fast and as vicious.

00:42:04.440 And we talk about

00:42:05.120 controversial things here,

00:42:06.280 whether it's radical Islam

00:42:07.380 or we're skeptics

00:42:08.300 of the big pharma response

00:42:10.320 to the pandemic.

00:42:11.040 It's a lot of things

00:42:11.520 we're very skeptical about

00:42:12.660 and we sometimes

00:42:13.540 get our knuckles

00:42:14.380 wrapped by censors.

00:42:15.440 But it is my observation

00:42:17.240 that there is nothing

00:42:19.020 that gets a faster

00:42:21.300 or harsher censorship

00:42:23.740 in 2022

00:42:24.860 than criticizing transgenderism.

00:42:28.620 On Twitter,

00:42:29.700 if you, quote,

00:42:30.720 misgender someone,

00:42:32.560 that is,

00:42:33.120 call a trans woman 1.00

00:42:34.400 a man, 0.96

00:42:35.340 or if you dead name someone

00:42:37.820 that has mentioned

00:42:38.620 the name their mama gave them,

00:42:39.940 so it would be like

00:42:40.680 calling Muhammad Ali

00:42:41.560 Cassius Clay,

00:42:43.040 you are instantly

00:42:44.400 and irrevocably

00:42:45.500 suspended.

00:42:48.100 And the Babylon Bee,

00:42:49.600 which I think is the most successful

00:42:51.160 satire site on the right,

00:42:53.680 one of the very few,

00:42:55.160 was just suspended

00:42:57.060 for calling this admiral

00:43:00.180 in the Biden administration

00:43:02.140 who's a transgender woman

00:43:03.660 calling her or him

00:43:05.400 man of the year

00:43:06.140 was really quite funny,

00:43:07.900 suspended.

00:43:09.140 And when an editor

00:43:10.320 of the Babylon Bee

00:43:11.540 said,

00:43:12.140 oh,

00:43:12.320 I guess all we have to do 1.00

00:43:13.440 is kill some Uyghurs 1.00

00:43:15.060 and we'll be fine, 1.00

00:43:17.000 Uyghurs being the Muslim 1.00

00:43:18.540 ethnic group in China,

00:43:20.100 the allusion being

00:43:21.600 to the fact that

00:43:22.260 China's dictatorship

00:43:23.320 is fine on Twitter

00:43:24.380 but not the Babylon Bee,

00:43:26.200 well,

00:43:26.420 he was suspended too.

00:43:27.840 I've never seen

00:43:29.420 such a hair-trigger censorship

00:43:32.440 as on the transgender issue.

00:43:34.440 What do you make of that?

00:43:36.460 I mean,

00:43:36.980 you see this censorship

00:43:38.020 across the board.

00:43:38.920 It's easy to pick out

00:43:39.720 big examples

00:43:40.400 like the satirical Babylon Bee.

00:43:43.600 You could also point out

00:43:44.660 to smaller examples.

00:43:46.380 Several of my friends

00:43:47.580 were also

00:43:48.460 knocked off of Twitter

00:43:50.280 briefly or permanently

00:43:51.880 for similar issues.

00:43:53.500 Dr. Roller Gator,

00:43:54.720 who many people appreciate,

00:43:55.840 for example,

00:43:56.300 it's a funny little satire

00:43:57.600 account.

00:43:58.700 Wocal Distance,

00:43:59.860 who exposed,

00:44:00.660 he's one of your people

00:44:01.920 in Canada

00:44:02.480 who exposes

00:44:03.240 the woke ideology,

00:44:04.660 also mentioned

00:44:06.520 the male thing

00:44:07.380 and got knocked out.

00:44:08.800 There are two reasons

00:44:09.620 and one is

00:44:10.560 the superficial

00:44:11.160 practical reason.

00:44:12.740 They do this bidding

00:44:14.100 and their social score

00:44:15.180 stays high.

00:44:15.840 They don't do this bidding

00:44:16.660 and they're going to get

00:44:17.240 docked on their social score.

00:44:18.940 ESG goes up or down.

00:44:20.540 They're playing

00:44:21.140 on a different playground

00:44:22.500 than everybody thinks

00:44:23.660 they're playing on.

00:44:24.420 The playground they're

00:44:24.920 playing on is

00:44:25.480 how do I keep

00:44:25.980 my ESG score high,

00:44:27.660 which how do I play

00:44:29.180 in this high capital

00:44:30.200 framework that's got

00:44:31.680 a cartel running it now?

00:44:33.240 And the deeper reason

00:44:34.080 is actually because

00:44:34.840 the people who run

00:44:36.040 this cartel

00:44:36.760 believe,

00:44:37.900 just like Marx,

00:44:39.920 that essentially

00:44:40.760 the limits of what

00:44:42.080 you can think

00:44:42.760 or imagine

00:44:43.260 are what dictates society

00:44:44.580 and what dictates society

00:44:45.680 is what dictates

00:44:46.380 who you are

00:44:47.040 or who people can be

00:44:48.060 and what the range

00:44:48.900 of mankind

00:44:49.360 and society

00:44:50.600 and its goals can be.

00:44:51.600 You shape society

00:44:52.860 by affecting

00:44:55.820 the range

00:44:56.740 of somebody's

00:44:57.400 subjective experience.

00:44:59.220 And so if we read,

00:45:00.040 for example,

00:45:00.480 the Marxist Herbert Marcuse

00:45:01.780 from the 1960s,

00:45:03.740 1965,

00:45:04.600 he writes

00:45:04.820 Repressive Tolerance.

00:45:05.760 He says right-wingers,

00:45:07.200 reactionaries,

00:45:08.000 have to be prevented

00:45:09.220 not just from acting

00:45:10.400 on their reactionary

00:45:12.020 interests,

00:45:13.000 and reactionary for him

00:45:13.920 means everybody

00:45:14.480 who's not a socialist

00:45:15.460 or a communist.

00:45:16.720 They have to not just

00:45:17.540 be prevented

00:45:17.920 from acting

00:45:18.560 on their ideas.

00:45:19.300 They have to be prevented

00:45:20.220 from having the idea

00:45:21.060 ever enter their mind.

00:45:22.340 He actually says that

00:45:23.200 explicitly.

00:45:23.720 He says,

00:45:24.160 of course,

00:45:24.420 this would be censorship

00:45:25.180 and even pre-censorship,

00:45:27.780 but it's necessary

00:45:29.140 to deal with the fact

00:45:30.700 of the already,

00:45:32.400 you know,

00:45:33.500 damaging

00:45:33.900 and proto-fascistic society

00:45:35.940 that we automatically live in.

00:45:37.400 He says,

00:45:37.680 it's only justifiable

00:45:38.860 in a state

00:45:39.380 of clear and present danger,

00:45:40.660 but that's the permanent state

00:45:41.880 of the existing society

00:45:42.980 because it's not going

00:45:44.780 communist fast enough.

00:45:46.620 And so this is the mindset

00:45:48.780 of the people

00:45:49.640 who are wielding

00:45:50.700 the arbitrary power

00:45:51.740 of the ESG metric

00:45:52.980 is that if you shape

00:45:54.580 what people are able

00:45:55.620 to think,

00:45:56.680 then you shape the limits

00:45:57.860 of their subjective range

00:45:59.260 and their communicative range,

00:46:00.580 then you shape the movements

00:46:01.960 that can form and flourish

00:46:03.260 and the movements

00:46:03.780 that cannot form and flourish.

00:46:05.460 And so they are absolutely desperate

00:46:07.020 to control the narrative

00:46:08.360 at every level

00:46:09.360 and to control

00:46:10.380 the very idea

00:46:12.060 that misinformation

00:46:12.720 or disinformation,

00:46:14.220 which means things

00:46:14.760 they don't want you

00:46:15.440 to think or know,

00:46:16.700 that the idea

00:46:17.460 can ever even get

00:46:18.380 into the head

00:46:18.960 of somebody

00:46:19.340 who might oppose them.

00:46:20.680 And so that's why

00:46:21.360 they're so quick

00:46:22.220 and so strong to do it.

00:46:23.840 And the reason

00:46:24.560 that it gets applied

00:46:25.500 is because they've created

00:46:27.500 a cartel system

00:46:29.260 measured in ESG scores

00:46:31.200 that rewards companies

00:46:32.780 that play along

00:46:33.480 like Twitter or Facebook

00:46:35.200 and that punishes

00:46:36.580 severely companies

00:46:37.480 that don't.

00:46:38.480 Not to mention the fact

00:46:39.540 that people like Mark Zuckerberg

00:46:40.900 are probably in on the game.

00:46:42.860 Certainly the new CEO

00:46:43.800 of Twitter

00:46:44.280 is pretty highly invested

00:46:46.640 in this concept

00:46:47.340 of social justice

00:46:48.160 and sustainability.

00:46:49.180 It's quite public

00:46:49.940 that he is.

00:46:50.860 So they are true believers

00:46:51.780 to some degree as well,

00:46:53.480 but they are also

00:46:54.960 pulled along

00:46:57.020 by those currents.

00:46:58.020 I don't want to put

00:46:58.480 all the blame

00:46:59.680 just on the ESG portfolios

00:47:03.080 because these people

00:47:03.720 are actually instrumental

00:47:04.620 in having created them

00:47:05.620 and believe this themselves.

00:47:06.900 But these are the reasons.

00:47:08.260 The ideology believes

00:47:09.540 that they must control

00:47:10.580 what people are able to think.

00:47:12.440 In other words,

00:47:13.080 they don't care as much

00:47:14.220 about your free speech

00:47:15.080 as they do about

00:47:15.580 your freedom to think,

00:47:17.120 your cognitive liberty.

00:47:18.080 They don't want the idea

00:47:18.940 to enter your mind.

00:47:20.440 And then secondly,

00:47:21.840 they've created a cartel system

00:47:23.240 to enforce that

00:47:24.180 and the scoring

00:47:25.300 is very straightforward

00:47:26.420 and very easy

00:47:28.840 to manipulate companies

00:47:31.240 that have this kind

00:47:32.280 of censorship power

00:47:33.460 directly with.

00:47:37.360 We're talking with

00:47:38.280 Dr. James Lindsay,

00:47:40.540 author of Race, Marxism,

00:47:42.300 and the boss

00:47:42.740 of NewDiscourses.com.

00:47:45.000 You know,

00:47:45.520 when you're talking

00:47:47.120 about how you erase

00:47:48.140 the words,

00:47:49.440 soon you erase

00:47:50.320 the thoughts.

00:47:51.200 And I've thought

00:47:52.940 that the book 1984

00:47:53.900 by Orwell,

00:47:54.700 who you've referenced

00:47:55.320 a couple times now,

00:47:56.760 one of the important parts

00:47:58.000 of it is the new language

00:47:59.920 they were inventing

00:48:01.220 called Newspeak.

00:48:02.820 And it reminds me

00:48:03.600 a little bit

00:48:04.100 of George Soros' original.

00:48:06.200 George Soros

00:48:06.920 was born George Schwartz,

00:48:08.740 obviously.

00:48:10.340 Soros is sort of 0.80

00:48:11.120 a made-up name,

00:48:12.360 and he was one

00:48:13.540 of the few

00:48:14.700 native Esperanto speakers.

00:48:17.340 I don't know if you know

00:48:17.840 that about George Soros.

00:48:19.580 His father

00:48:20.140 was a deep believer

00:48:22.080 in a human-engineered

00:48:24.480 artificial language

00:48:25.840 for people

00:48:26.600 called Esperanto

00:48:27.980 that was supposed

00:48:28.540 to be easier

00:48:30.020 and sort of like

00:48:30.640 the metric system

00:48:31.600 compared to the

00:48:32.460 imperial weights

00:48:33.180 and measures.

00:48:33.840 It all made sense.

00:48:35.280 Base, everything,

00:48:35.920 like a centimeter

00:48:36.840 is one-tenth

00:48:37.620 of a decimeter

00:48:38.900 and a meter.

00:48:39.580 It's just so much

00:48:40.200 more sense

00:48:40.760 than shillings

00:48:41.480 and pounds

00:48:42.020 and, you know,

00:48:43.040 bushels.

00:48:44.200 Esperanto never

00:48:44.840 caught on,

00:48:45.400 but it was a human

00:48:46.280 engineering attempt.

00:48:47.820 And I think that

00:48:48.700 Newspeak in 1984

00:48:50.380 was the same thing.

00:48:51.620 And there's this

00:48:52.060 wonderful passage

00:48:52.840 where Orwell talks

00:48:53.660 about, you know,

00:48:54.540 the U.S.

00:48:54.960 Declaration of Independence.

00:48:56.140 If you slowly

00:48:58.080 eliminate words,

00:48:59.960 like reduce the vocabulary

00:49:01.340 fewer and fewer

00:49:02.360 and fewer and fewer

00:49:03.200 words,

00:49:03.640 and then just have

00:49:04.220 un, like good

00:49:06.260 and un-good

00:49:07.380 and double plus

00:49:10.180 un-good.

00:49:11.100 Like you take

00:49:12.180 a hundred words

00:49:13.060 out of the vocabulary,

00:49:14.260 it's just good

00:49:15.000 and then yes, no

00:49:16.000 and degrees.

00:49:17.680 And that was Newspeak.

00:49:18.700 They were trying

00:49:19.060 to engineer

00:49:19.660 a new way of speaking

00:49:21.220 and the idea

00:49:22.900 was to remove

00:49:23.780 the possibility

00:49:24.860 of having

00:49:26.100 those thoughts

00:49:27.360 at all

00:49:27.660 because I think

00:49:28.780 it's true

00:49:29.140 that a lot of people

00:49:29.760 think with words.

00:49:31.700 I don't know

00:49:31.940 if it's even possible

00:49:32.780 to think without language.

00:49:34.380 I'm sure it is,

00:49:35.140 but I think

00:49:36.720 that's what they're

00:49:37.320 doing here.

00:49:38.300 And I think

00:49:38.940 they always want you

00:49:39.880 on the back foot.

00:49:40.660 They always want you

00:49:41.320 on the defensive.

00:49:42.540 That's why certain

00:49:43.340 terms I think are,

00:49:46.380 like in Canada,

00:49:47.420 we used to say

00:49:48.340 Indian,

00:49:49.820 then we said

00:49:50.480 First Nations,

00:49:51.780 now it's

00:49:52.920 indigenous people.

00:49:54.260 If you say

00:49:55.260 Aboriginal,

00:49:56.140 well,

00:49:56.520 that was official

00:49:58.180 20 years ago,

00:49:59.040 but now that's

00:49:59.520 a sign that

00:50:00.000 you're intolerant.

00:50:00.920 I think it's

00:50:01.480 to reduce

00:50:01.920 what you can

00:50:02.420 think of

00:50:02.920 and always

00:50:03.600 put you

00:50:03.940 on the defensive.

00:50:04.860 What do you

00:50:05.100 think of that?

00:50:06.280 I agree.

00:50:07.360 It's a funny

00:50:08.040 little sidebar

00:50:08.840 since we like

00:50:09.460 to pick

00:50:10.100 George Soros.

00:50:11.140 Soros is 0.99

00:50:11.660 Esperanto

00:50:12.500 and is an

00:50:13.980 Esperanto word.

00:50:14.660 I forgot what it

00:50:15.100 means,

00:50:15.460 but it's a pun

00:50:16.260 in Hungarian.

00:50:17.100 It sounds very

00:50:17.600 similar to the

00:50:18.200 word for dog poop

00:50:19.040 in Hungarian.

00:50:20.260 And of course,

00:50:20.860 Soros is a 1.00

00:50:21.580 Hungarian guy,

00:50:22.300 so the Hungarians 0.98

00:50:22.940 kind of make fun

00:50:23.480 of this,

00:50:24.140 or so a

00:50:24.780 Hungarian person

00:50:25.400 told me anyway.

00:50:26.260 Maybe that's not

00:50:26.760 quite right,

00:50:27.160 but it's an

00:50:28.280 amusing fact-ish,

00:50:30.020 a factoid,

00:50:30.760 I guess,

00:50:31.080 fact-shaped thing.

00:50:32.260 Anyway,

00:50:32.960 you are correct.

00:50:34.000 The goals are,

00:50:35.400 as you said,

00:50:36.000 it is to limit

00:50:36.600 the range

00:50:37.360 in which you

00:50:38.220 can think

00:50:38.660 and to limit

00:50:39.320 the way that

00:50:39.900 you're going

00:50:40.160 to think about

00:50:40.700 things.

00:50:41.440 It's to morally

00:50:42.680 color the way

00:50:44.340 that you're going

00:50:44.780 to think about

00:50:45.200 everything good

00:50:46.240 and ungood,

00:50:47.080 for example.

00:50:48.900 So we're going

00:50:50.220 to now also

00:50:50.880 contour the language

00:50:51.760 and we're going

00:50:52.080 to change the

00:50:52.700 range of acceptable

00:50:53.480 language,

00:50:54.000 as you said,

00:50:54.600 so everybody

00:50:54.980 stays on the

00:50:55.520 defensive.

00:50:56.400 Because if they

00:50:57.300 can tell you,

00:50:58.340 you know,

00:50:58.720 you can't call

00:50:59.460 them,

00:50:59.940 say,

00:51:00.400 Indians anymore, 1.00

00:51:01.120 you have to

00:51:01.620 call them

00:51:02.140 Aboriginal. 0.99

00:51:03.600 And then you

00:51:04.040 say,

00:51:04.340 okay,

00:51:04.860 and you catch

00:51:05.340 up,

00:51:05.700 and they badger

00:51:07.100 you every time

00:51:07.620 you get it wrong,

00:51:08.260 and you finally

00:51:08.700 catch on.

00:51:09.260 And then as soon

00:51:09.760 as you're kind

00:51:10.440 of comfortable

00:51:11.060 calling them

00:51:11.860 Aboriginal,

00:51:12.400 they say,

00:51:12.700 no,

00:51:12.820 it's First Nations 0.84

00:51:13.480 now.

00:51:14.280 And then you

00:51:15.300 say,

00:51:15.980 you go through

00:51:16.820 the whole process

00:51:17.560 again,

00:51:17.960 and then,

00:51:18.380 no,

00:51:18.780 now it's

00:51:19.680 Indigenous Peoples,

00:51:20.740 or whatever it

00:51:21.440 happens to be,

00:51:22.500 whatever order

00:51:23.440 they happen to

00:51:24.380 do it in.

00:51:25.700 If they're kind

00:51:26.620 of keeping you

00:51:27.420 unable to be

00:51:28.320 secure in being

00:51:29.580 able to communicate

00:51:30.180 what you mean,

00:51:31.380 and constantly

00:51:32.140 able to badger

00:51:32.860 you,

00:51:33.160 they can keep

00:51:33.620 you on the

00:51:33.960 defensive,

00:51:34.460 they can keep

00:51:34.860 you,

00:51:35.080 this is kind

00:51:35.680 of a cult

00:51:36.940 grooming technique,

00:51:38.260 and they can

00:51:38.880 also,

00:51:39.340 they're also

00:51:39.720 cowing you.

00:51:40.520 You're following

00:51:41.300 their orders

00:51:41.980 to play this

00:51:43.080 game,

00:51:43.480 repeatedly.

00:51:44.440 They are

00:51:45.100 dictating the way

00:51:45.880 that you're

00:51:46.140 going to speak

00:51:46.500 about things,

00:51:46.980 the way that

00:51:47.300 you are going

00:51:48.240 to think

00:51:48.540 about things,

00:51:49.020 and they think

00:51:49.460 that the way

00:51:49.800 that you speak

00:51:50.440 and think

00:51:50.820 and the way

00:51:51.120 that society

00:51:51.600 is structured

00:51:52.060 are much

00:51:52.580 more deeply

00:51:53.340 intertwined

00:51:54.640 than they

00:51:55.000 probably are

00:51:55.600 in reality.

00:51:56.220 This is

00:51:56.520 actually the

00:51:57.000 school of

00:51:57.440 structuralism

00:51:58.180 that arose

00:51:58.640 out of the

00:51:59.040 Marxist

00:51:59.560 linguistic

00:52:00.080 theory that

00:52:00.700 arose in

00:52:01.100 France.

00:52:02.140 They really

00:52:02.960 think that

00:52:03.360 these things

00:52:03.720 are deeply

00:52:04.300 intertwined

00:52:04.880 for the

00:52:05.140 reasons that

00:52:05.520 I just

00:52:05.800 explained

00:52:06.200 from Marxist

00:52:06.820 philosophy.

00:52:07.900 And so,

00:52:08.400 these are

00:52:08.860 the kind

00:52:09.240 of magic

00:52:09.680 spells that

00:52:10.320 they're trying

00:52:10.720 to use

00:52:11.220 with language.

00:52:12.260 There are

00:52:12.680 other deeper

00:52:13.140 ones as well.

00:52:13.860 They'll use

00:52:14.380 these language

00:52:15.000 changes to

00:52:15.840 enact

00:52:16.220 political

00:52:16.800 policies.

00:52:17.700 I don't

00:52:17.860 know what

00:52:18.180 the direction

00:52:18.680 was with

00:52:19.500 the example

00:52:20.360 you gave,

00:52:21.100 but when you

00:52:21.360 get to,

00:52:22.880 I've seen

00:52:23.600 in the United

00:52:24.020 States that

00:52:24.500 we've transferred

00:52:25.480 to,

00:52:26.220 not got to

00:52:26.920 the point,

00:52:27.280 I should say,

00:52:27.720 of calling

00:52:28.140 Native Americans,

00:52:29.420 we no longer

00:52:29.820 call them that,

00:52:30.320 we call them

00:52:30.620 first Americans.

00:52:31.940 But this is,

00:52:33.360 calling them

00:52:33.900 first Americans,

00:52:34.680 of course,

00:52:35.060 on the surface

00:52:35.620 is okay,

00:52:36.260 they were here

00:52:36.900 first,

00:52:37.680 but what

00:52:38.800 that also

00:52:39.400 includes is

00:52:40.680 a political

00:52:41.140 claim that

00:52:42.000 can be

00:52:42.260 eventually

00:52:42.700 enacted,

00:52:43.520 which is

00:52:43.960 their first,

00:52:45.020 they have

00:52:45.420 the legitimate

00:52:46.220 right to

00:52:47.060 having been

00:52:47.580 here.

00:52:48.180 And so,

00:52:48.420 all of a sudden

00:52:48.780 you can get

00:52:49.440 people conditioned

00:52:50.200 one step

00:52:50.920 after another

00:52:51.420 to adopt

00:52:52.140 a politically

00:52:52.680 activist stance

00:52:53.720 that doesn't

00:52:54.500 feel activist

00:52:55.160 in the moment,

00:52:55.820 and then you

00:52:56.920 get called 0.56

00:52:57.280 crazy for

00:52:57.820 saying there's 0.51

00:52:58.180 an activist

00:52:58.540 dimension to

00:52:59.120 it,

00:52:59.760 until they

00:53:00.440 have enough

00:53:00.760 power to

00:53:01.200 spring the

00:53:01.600 activism on

00:53:02.200 you.

00:53:02.760 And so,

00:53:03.580 you know,

00:53:03.940 this is the

00:53:04.400 same with

00:53:04.720 land

00:53:04.920 acknowledgements.

00:53:05.760 In our

00:53:06.040 country,

00:53:06.500 we have

00:53:07.300 a Fourth

00:53:08.160 Amendment

00:53:08.440 prohibition

00:53:09.060 on the

00:53:09.340 seizure of

00:53:09.760 property,

00:53:10.120 but it

00:53:10.400 doesn't apply

00:53:10.800 to stolen

00:53:11.180 property.

00:53:12.140 So,

00:53:12.320 if you say

00:53:12.620 we do our

00:53:14.380 work on

00:53:14.800 stolen land

00:53:15.460 over and

00:53:15.780 over again,

00:53:16.380 and it was

00:53:16.840 stolen from

00:53:17.340 the first

00:53:17.780 Americans,

00:53:18.500 then what

00:53:18.980 you're slowly

00:53:19.460 doing is

00:53:19.940 setting up

00:53:20.340 a legal

00:53:20.760 argument to

00:53:21.740 have your

00:53:22.340 assets seized

00:53:23.420 later when

00:53:25.100 they decide

00:53:25.620 that they

00:53:25.920 want to

00:53:26.260 take that

00:53:26.900 up.

00:53:28.100 You know,

00:53:28.720 the use of

00:53:29.240 language,

00:53:29.700 I mean,

00:53:30.380 I don't think

00:53:31.400 the phrase

00:53:31.860 cisgender, 0.94

00:53:33.700 C-I-S- 1.00

00:53:34.300 hyphen

00:53:34.700 gender,

00:53:35.120 has been

00:53:35.800 in the

00:53:36.320 popular

00:53:36.740 lingo

00:53:37.180 for more

00:53:37.700 than five

00:53:38.140 years,

00:53:38.580 but I see

00:53:39.260 it everywhere

00:53:39.780 and people

00:53:40.100 putting their

00:53:40.560 pronouns in

00:53:42.240 their email

00:53:43.160 signature files

00:53:44.500 and their

00:53:44.880 Twitter

00:53:45.980 biographies.

00:53:46.680 The law

00:53:47.160 societies in

00:53:48.080 Canada are

00:53:49.140 now talking

00:53:49.840 about compelling

00:53:50.800 lawyers to

00:53:52.480 put he,

00:53:53.100 him,

00:53:53.620 they,

00:53:53.940 them,

00:53:54.620 she,

00:53:55.120 sure,

00:53:56.100 compelling people

00:53:57.260 to do this.

00:53:57.760 there's a

00:53:58.580 madness there

00:53:59.460 and I think

00:53:59.960 that,

00:54:01.720 like,

00:54:02.280 I mean,

00:54:02.520 I say he,

00:54:05.660 her,

00:54:06.400 but to

00:54:07.520 force me

00:54:08.280 to describe

00:54:10.160 myself as

00:54:11.880 a gender

00:54:12.560 or as a

00:54:13.520 race is

00:54:14.620 forcing me

00:54:15.640 into one

00:54:16.960 of these

00:54:17.360 structures of

00:54:19.060 Marxism.

00:54:20.060 Like,

00:54:20.380 I demand

00:54:21.020 that you

00:54:21.500 see me as

00:54:22.960 part of this

00:54:23.800 identity group

00:54:24.720 or that

00:54:25.420 identity group

00:54:26.160 and by the

00:54:27.080 way,

00:54:27.280 if I say

00:54:27.720 something unusual

00:54:28.440 like G 0.74

00:54:29.120 injure,

00:54:30.240 I'm putting

00:54:30.820 a little

00:54:31.080 booby trap

00:54:31.720 for you

00:54:32.140 there that

00:54:32.860 you better

00:54:33.220 not step

00:54:33.820 in it

00:54:34.140 because otherwise

00:54:34.980 you've created

00:54:35.680 a little

00:54:35.960 microaggression

00:54:36.660 ready to

00:54:37.100 happen.

00:54:38.060 It's truly

00:54:39.080 madness,

00:54:40.120 this compelling

00:54:40.660 people to use

00:54:41.440 these strange

00:54:42.020 new words.

00:54:43.480 Let me tell

00:54:43.960 you something

00:54:44.800 that's going

00:54:45.140 to sound

00:54:45.460 positively

00:54:46.240 insane.

00:54:47.520 And so do

00:54:47.880 with what you

00:54:48.640 want.

00:54:49.380 But the

00:54:49.720 logical conclusion

00:54:50.660 of that

00:54:51.780 behavior,

00:54:53.100 in fact,

00:54:53.820 this is a

00:54:54.840 kind of

00:54:55.300 symbolic

00:54:55.800 beginning

00:54:56.600 to the

00:54:57.820 famous

00:54:58.140 situation

00:54:58.700 where,

00:54:59.240 say,

00:54:59.420 when Stalin

00:55:00.300 would come

00:55:00.720 up to speak,

00:55:01.360 everyone would

00:55:01.780 clap and

00:55:02.360 famously for

00:55:03.100 10,

00:55:03.660 12,

00:55:04.460 15,

00:55:05.040 20 minutes,

00:55:05.740 everybody's

00:55:06.320 standing and

00:55:06.800 clapping,

00:55:07.200 giving an

00:55:08.080 ovation because

00:55:08.740 they know

00:55:09.120 whoever stops

00:55:09.820 clapping first

00:55:10.440 is going to 1.00

00:55:10.840 get shot. 0.83

00:55:12.220 That's what's 0.96

00:55:12.860 being replicated

00:55:13.440 here in

00:55:14.020 microcosm

00:55:14.760 with the

00:55:15.780 compelling of

00:55:17.060 putting people's

00:55:17.740 pronouns.

00:55:18.760 As for the

00:55:19.660 word cis,

00:55:20.860 as in cisgender,

00:55:22.180 this is a

00:55:22.700 misappropriation of

00:55:23.960 something that

00:55:24.520 occurs in

00:55:25.180 chemistry is,

00:55:26.960 in fact,

00:55:27.580 nonsense.

00:55:28.540 The meaning of

00:55:29.660 the word trans

00:55:30.320 versus cis in 0.72

00:55:30.940 chemistry does

00:55:31.480 not homomorphically

00:55:33.460 transform over

00:55:34.620 into the

00:55:35.960 realm of

00:55:36.460 gender.

00:55:36.980 It is a

00:55:37.340 completely

00:55:37.700 manufactured

00:55:38.600 synthetic term.

00:55:40.780 And I use the

00:55:41.560 term synthetic

00:55:42.100 there very

00:55:42.700 intentionally.

00:55:43.380 People will

00:55:43.740 know what I'm

00:55:44.060 talking about,

00:55:44.920 the synthetic

00:55:45.920 process of

00:55:46.680 Marxism being

00:55:47.440 dialectical.

00:55:48.760 And this is

00:55:49.860 exactly what we're

00:55:50.740 staring at in the

00:55:51.760 face.

00:55:52.000 This is what we

00:55:52.540 are being

00:55:52.900 compelled gently

00:55:54.140 and increasingly

00:55:55.260 coercively and

00:55:56.360 forcefully into.

00:55:57.740 And like I said,

00:55:58.420 it sounds

00:55:58.820 positively crazy,

00:55:59.740 but I'm telling

00:56:00.120 you, the logical

00:56:00.800 conclusion of

00:56:01.480 this, under the

00:56:02.280 brand name today

00:56:03.060 of belonging,

00:56:04.160 we just want a

00:56:04.700 university where

00:56:05.340 everybody belongs,

00:56:06.860 is that whoever the

00:56:08.460 party apparatchiks are,

00:56:09.700 you had better clap

00:56:10.580 for them and clap

00:56:11.820 for them and clap

00:56:12.540 for them and clap

00:56:13.140 for them because

00:56:13.640 whoever stops

00:56:14.480 first is going to

00:56:15.580 the gulag or is 0.98

00:56:16.680 going to be shot.

00:56:17.400 Well, listen, 0.97

00:56:20.100 James, I've got

00:56:21.000 five more subjects

00:56:22.280 here on my piece

00:56:23.140 of paper we haven't

00:56:23.840 even touched, but I

00:56:24.580 know we've gone on

00:56:25.460 for an hour.

00:56:26.520 I'm really grateful

00:56:27.120 to you for how much

00:56:28.440 time you've given

00:56:29.160 us, and I know

00:56:29.820 that you can hold

00:56:31.180 court for much

00:56:31.900 longer.

00:56:32.420 You were on the

00:56:32.940 Joe Rogan

00:56:33.380 experience.

00:56:34.160 Give me just 30

00:56:34.860 seconds on how

00:56:35.960 that came about

00:56:36.900 and what that was

00:56:38.000 like, and then

00:56:38.500 we'll let you go

00:56:39.100 because I'd love to

00:56:40.260 talk to you for

00:56:40.740 three hours, but I

00:56:41.780 don't know if you

00:56:43.600 got the time, and

00:56:44.320 don't worry, I

00:56:45.080 won't trap you.

00:56:46.060 Just give me one

00:56:46.660 minute.

00:56:47.400 On going on

00:56:48.400 Joe Rogan, the

00:56:49.140 most influential

00:56:49.820 podcast, perhaps in

00:56:51.320 the world.

00:56:52.520 Well, I mean, this

00:56:53.280 is going to make me

00:56:53.820 sound a whole lot

00:56:54.660 cooler than I am, but

00:56:56.340 how did that come

00:56:57.140 about?

00:56:58.000 Joe texted me and

00:56:59.040 said, your Twitter

00:56:59.940 is awesome.

00:57:00.480 Do you want to

00:57:00.780 come back on the

00:57:01.380 show?

00:57:01.920 And I said, yes.

00:57:03.140 And that's really

00:57:04.040 what happened.

00:57:04.980 And so, I mean, I

00:57:07.140 could show people

00:57:07.720 the text.

00:57:08.240 I got them on

00:57:08.800 December 16th.

00:57:10.280 And so, I

00:57:12.160 remember.

00:57:12.920 And so, we set it

00:57:14.520 up.

00:57:14.700 We went on the

00:57:15.100 show.

00:57:15.960 People ask me all

00:57:16.780 the time, what's

00:57:17.280 it like to go on

00:57:18.060 Joe Rogan?

00:57:18.520 What's Joe Rogan

00:57:19.120 like in person?

00:57:20.080 I'll tell you, Joe

00:57:20.720 Rogan on the show is

00:57:21.800 Joe Rogan in real

00:57:22.600 life.

00:57:23.060 I got to actually, we

00:57:23.960 actually, even cooler,

00:57:25.640 went and hung out the

00:57:26.720 night before the show.

00:57:28.920 And so, the Joe Rogan

00:57:30.040 you see on the episode

00:57:31.860 of his podcast is

00:57:33.500 literally him.

00:57:34.280 He's a very

00:57:34.740 authentic guy.

00:57:35.740 I think it's a great

00:57:37.080 conversation to have.

00:57:38.840 He's wonderful.

00:57:39.980 He's one of the most

00:57:40.580 accepting and

00:57:41.240 interested interviewers I've

00:57:43.440 ever spoken with.

00:57:44.620 He talks to people all

00:57:45.620 over the place.

00:57:46.320 He wants to understand.

00:57:47.340 He wants to know

00:57:47.840 things.

00:57:48.140 He doesn't want to get

00:57:48.940 things wrong.

00:57:49.640 He's very fastidious

00:57:50.680 about, you know, hey

00:57:51.680 Jamie, pull that up.

00:57:52.800 Let's double check it.

00:57:54.060 So, it's a great

00:57:54.840 experience.

00:57:57.000 And it's, you know,

00:57:57.740 really kind of cool

00:57:58.500 that, you know, he had

00:58:00.540 my phone number and he

00:58:01.240 texted me and said, you

00:58:02.240 know, do you want to

00:58:02.680 come on the show?

00:58:03.560 And I said, yeah, sure,

00:58:04.300 let's do it.

00:58:06.040 Well, that's an amazing

00:58:07.420 exposure and I have no

00:58:09.300 doubt that it's helped

00:58:10.500 spread your ideas and I'm

00:58:12.220 glad for that.

00:58:12.940 Well, this is great to

00:58:14.000 catch up with you.

00:58:14.740 We'll have to do it

00:58:15.380 again in a few months.

00:58:16.380 You're doing so many

00:58:17.180 things.

00:58:17.700 I'll keep following you

00:58:18.800 on Twitter and encourage

00:58:20.200 my friends to do so.

00:58:22.120 The Twitter account is

00:58:23.180 Conceptual James.

00:58:24.620 The man is Dr. James

00:58:25.580 Lindsay, Ph.D., author of

00:58:27.800 the book Race Marxism and

00:58:29.500 the boss of the website

00:58:30.380 NewDiscourses.com.

00:58:31.900 Thanks so much.

00:58:32.880 Great to catch up with

00:58:33.780 you.

00:58:33.940 Talk to you again.

00:58:35.240 Yeah, for sure.

00:58:35.880 Thank you.

00:58:36.580 Right on.

00:58:37.120 Stay with us.

00:58:38.340 Your letters to me next.

00:58:39.540 Well, what did you think

00:58:52.400 of that, Dr. James

00:58:53.220 Lindsay?

00:58:53.740 Pretty smart cookie.

00:58:55.100 I didn't understand every

00:58:56.180 single reference.

00:58:56.880 I didn't know all of the

00:58:57.800 authors and philosophers he

00:58:59.480 refers to.

00:59:00.060 He's obviously done a lot of

00:59:01.000 historical reading, which is

00:59:02.540 why he understands the deep

00:59:04.420 roots of certain kinds of

00:59:07.340 feminism and other isms,

00:59:11.560 including cultural and racial

00:59:13.380 Marxism.

00:59:14.620 I'm glad he's out there

00:59:15.700 fighting the good fight, and

00:59:17.020 it sounds like he's having

00:59:18.060 fun doing it, and he's

00:59:18.980 getting a good audience,

00:59:19.840 whether it's speaking at

00:59:21.420 schools or the media or

00:59:22.720 even with politicians.

00:59:23.780 I'm glad he took an hour to

00:59:24.940 catch up with us.

00:59:26.260 Here is a letter Belmont

00:59:27.380 family says in reference to

00:59:29.460 Rachel Emanuel.

00:59:30.660 She might make a good 1.00

00:59:31.660 rebel.

00:59:32.020 You know, I had the exact

00:59:33.280 same thought when I spoke

00:59:34.280 to her, but I don't want to

00:59:35.640 steal her away from Western 0.99

00:59:36.740 Standard.

00:59:37.240 I'm glad she's there.

00:59:38.700 Someone nicknamed the

00:59:39.520 Angels and Dragons says they

00:59:40.980 didn't want it to be called a

00:59:43.360 racist banner for legal

00:59:44.680 reasons.

00:59:46.460 Racist scarves are different.

00:59:48.700 You know what?

00:59:49.400 I'm not sure how different

00:59:50.180 they are.

00:59:51.560 I suppose a banner suggests

00:59:53.920 that it was like a political

00:59:55.400 decision to begin with,

00:59:56.580 whereas a scarf is more like a

00:59:57.960 fashion accessory.

00:59:58.760 I don't know.

00:59:59.280 I don't think a lot turns on

01:00:00.620 it.

01:00:00.800 What does turn on it is that

01:00:03.260 Chrystia Freeland undoubtedly

01:00:04.860 knew exactly what she was

01:00:07.020 doing when she was wearing a

01:00:08.880 bandera, call it a banner or a

01:00:12.640 scarf.

01:00:13.180 I think that Chrystia Freeland is 1.00

01:00:15.540 not as far away from her Nazi 0.93

01:00:17.500 grandfather as she should be.

01:00:19.500 And the fact that she and the

01:00:21.540 Canadian government specifically

01:00:22.680 are supporting the Azov 0.66

01:00:24.460 Battalion, which is an overtly

01:00:25.820 neo-Nazi group, I think that's

01:00:27.340 troubling and I think more people

01:00:28.420 should ask about it.

01:00:29.300 I don't think that that

01:00:30.680 necessarily makes Putin the good

01:00:32.420 guy, but I'm saying that a Nazi 0.98

01:00:35.120 is a Nazi and these guys really 0.95

01:00:36.600 do, you know, give the Hitler 0.92

01:00:39.240 salute and talk about Nazism.

01:00:41.160 Not all Ukrainians, of course, not 1.00

01:00:43.020 even a small fraction of them, but

01:00:44.520 there is that Azov Battalion, which

01:00:46.520 is a true Nazi paramilitary group.

01:00:49.480 It's just a fact.

01:00:51.120 Anyways, thanks for your feedback.

01:00:53.320 Let me leave you with our video of the

01:00:55.020 day, one of our newest rebels who's

01:00:57.800 working for us at this point on a

01:00:59.240 freelance basis, but maybe it'll grow

01:01:00.680 into something more.

01:01:01.900 Siobhan Brandman in New York City

01:01:03.740 goes to the Worldwide Rally for

01:01:05.900 Freedom.

01:01:06.820 I like this video and it's fun to have

01:01:08.720 boots on the ground in the States.

01:01:11.180 I'll say goodbye to you now.

01:01:12.140 Until next time, on behalf of all of us

01:01:13.660 here at Rebel World Headquarters, to

01:01:14.900 you at home, good night and keep

01:01:16.640 fighting for freedom.

01:01:17.600 Hello, my name is Siobhan Brandman.

01:01:19.120 It is March 19, 2022, and I'm in

01:01:21.380 Times Square at the Worldwide Freedom

01:01:23.080 Rally, where people are gathering to

01:01:24.620 protest for the right to freedom of

01:01:26.260 speech, movement, choice, assembly and

01:01:28.960 health.

01:01:36.120 So how have the COVID policies

01:01:37.740 affected you?

01:01:39.420 Well, foremost, they've affected me by

01:01:41.700 taking my job away, even though I

01:01:44.180 worked at the Department of Education

01:01:46.080 for 15 years, working with special

01:01:47.740 education children.

01:01:49.040 So throughout the height of COVID, we

01:01:50.620 did our jobs and now as things are

01:01:54.000 tapering off, firefighters, first

01:01:56.960 responders are being fired over this

01:01:58.540 and people need to understand that's

01:02:00.120 putting people's lives at risk.

01:02:01.540 For me personally, I'm a teacher in

01:02:05.380 Jersey City.

01:02:06.240 I work with a lot of kids that are

01:02:08.520 in really tough situations.

01:02:11.560 Early on, I did get the shot.

01:02:14.540 I haven't been boosted or anything, but

01:02:16.040 I see it every day with my colleagues,

01:02:17.840 the way it's fractured people, the way

01:02:19.580 it's fractured traditional political

01:02:20.840 alliances.

01:02:22.300 I mean, I don't want to just say it's

01:02:24.100 spiritual, but it's about as

01:02:26.920 sciop-y as it seems.

01:02:28.080 I am personally facing an April 1st

01:02:31.580 deadline to get vaxxed, both shots. 0.94

01:02:35.540 Otherwise, I'm not sure what they're

01:02:37.280 going to do.

01:02:37.760 They might just can a lot of us in the

01:02:40.240 middle of a semester, which is going to

01:02:41.680 create chaos.

01:02:43.060 Are there a lot of teachers in CUNY

01:02:46.020 who are also fighting the mandates or

01:02:48.300 not?

01:02:48.880 I can't say that there's a lot.

01:02:50.760 There's a few.

01:02:51.580 Right now, nine firefighters have been

01:02:53.540 fired and I believe over 20 EMS

01:02:57.720 workers have been fired.

01:02:59.600 And there are 600 right now pending

01:03:02.220 religious exemptions and a couple of

01:03:04.920 hundred have been put on leave without

01:03:06.400 pay.

01:03:06.860 And I'm one of them and my husband is

01:03:08.460 one of them.

01:03:09.080 I was one of those that was affected

01:03:10.260 due to the mandates that went in

01:03:11.440 effect back in September 2021.

01:03:13.900 And I'm just demanding we all need to

01:03:16.080 have equal rights vaccine at our own

01:03:17.420 vaccine.

01:03:18.060 Why do you think it's important to push

01:03:19.160 back against mandates?

01:03:21.420 Mandates are just a violation of the

01:03:23.580 most basic civil rights over your own

01:03:25.220 body.

01:03:25.860 Because I think what we're just seeing

01:03:27.740 is the tip of the iceberg of the

01:03:30.520 control mechanisms that they want to

01:03:32.680 implement on us as citizens.

01:03:34.560 And we can't let that happen.

01:03:36.540 And when you look at history and any

01:03:38.640 revolution that has ever been fought, it

01:03:40.820 always starts off with what they call a

01:03:42.840 fringe movement.

01:03:43.920 But it's really we're the voices that

01:03:45.480 are bubbling over and people have had

01:03:47.280 enough and people are scared to speak

01:03:49.320 out.

01:03:49.920 And in that group of people, there has to

01:03:51.840 be someone that finally says enough.

01:03:54.120 We can't stand for this.

01:04:00.960 Yeah, it's extremely important to push

01:04:02.300 back because there's government overreach

01:04:04.020 that step on the rights of individuals.

01:04:05.660 And a lot of these are politicized ways of

01:04:08.420 looking at public policy and public

01:04:10.040 health, where there there's a whole like

01:04:12.280 diversity and spectrum of opinions by

01:04:13.900 medical professionals.

01:04:14.900 And when there's a monolithic pattern that

01:04:17.120 everyone has to be crushed into, undoubtedly

01:04:19.420 there's going to be violence done to the

01:04:21.020 conscience and rights of others.

01:04:22.400 The people coming together for one united

01:04:24.560 thing, I don't think they planned on this,

01:04:26.020 right?

01:04:26.440 They were planning on us rolling over,

01:04:29.020 complying and moving on to the next thing.

01:04:31.660 But look behind us.

01:04:33.820 We have an army and we have connected with

01:04:37.420 all over the nation, with first responders

01:04:39.580 all over the world.

01:04:41.140 We have seven different countries that we

01:04:42.640 partner with, Australia, Belgium, Germany.

01:04:46.100 We're having conversations worldwide,

01:04:48.920 connecting on one common goal.

01:04:51.040 That's the biggest fear that the government

01:04:53.020 can have right now is the people standing up

01:04:55.840 for one cause, not being segregated and

01:04:58.760 divided anymore.

01:04:59.580 Well, because if they start with those kind of

01:05:01.400 restrictions, the government can use any type

01:05:03.180 of emergency to do more, to take more

01:05:05.720 away from freedoms.

01:05:07.200 And so, regardless of whatever emergency that

01:05:09.800 there might be, we still own it to ourselves

01:05:12.820 to still have our individual rights.

01:05:14.540 The mandates aren't over.

01:05:15.880 This is simply what you call this halftime

01:05:17.960 of the halftime show, you know?

01:05:20.640 And people just like think like, I mean,

01:05:22.580 it's an infringement of like liberties.

01:05:25.200 It's like, oh, it's just like the more

01:05:27.120 restrictions, you know, like you can't get a

01:05:29.020 job, you can't, you can't send your kids to school.

01:05:31.840 Like it's, it's just like more and more like restrictions.

01:05:34.180 And the more you comply, the more it's just like,

01:05:36.460 it just, it's in a total infringement of civil liberties.

01:05:38.740 Because it's going to infringe on our future liberties.

01:05:40.800 So we let them take this much, they'll keep taking

01:05:43.800 more and more and more.

01:05:45.040 And so we have to draw a line somewhere and there needs

01:05:47.480 to be boundaries, especially when it comes to your body.

01:05:50.300 I feel like this, and this is my spiel all the time.

01:05:52.880 And that's this, we pay taxes, we stop at red lights, we pay insurance.

01:05:57.840 We do all the things that we're supposed to do as citizens.

01:06:00.960 All right.

01:06:01.520 The only thing we have is our bodies.

01:06:03.440 So I think that's where the line needs to be drawn.

01:06:05.840 And to make the decision on your own is important.

01:06:10.320 Because it's our right to choose, bottom line.

01:06:14.000 Because whenever there's risk involved, there should be a choice.

01:06:20.160 What do you think about the media's lack of coverage

01:06:22.780 or coverage of events like these?

01:06:25.420 Oh, I mean, it's like, I don't know which is worse, right?

01:06:28.160 A lack of coverage or just a total, like, just, you know,

01:06:31.360 attack mode on everybody who's here, you know?

01:06:34.240 So, I mean, it's, it's obviously terrible.

01:06:36.600 There's no space for debate.

01:06:38.040 This whole idea that, like, if you don't have expertise, right,

01:06:40.820 you can't discuss things, right?

01:06:42.060 If you don't have, if you weren't in, like, that clinical experience, right,

01:06:45.360 you shouldn't even be able to discuss things that affect your life

01:06:47.880 and, you know, people's bodies and, like, a society at large, too.

01:06:51.580 So I think it's terrible.

01:06:54.180 And we're bombarded every day with constant gaslighting in corporate media.

01:06:58.580 Well, most of the media is liberal.

01:07:01.760 So they prefer not to acknowledge us

01:07:04.140 because they would have to acknowledge that people who aren't die-hard conservatives

01:07:06.860 aren't stereotypical conservatives who are, like, liberal, you know, unionists

01:07:11.060 and teachers are also against these mandates.

01:07:14.580 It doesn't fall into this sort of, like, alt-right narrative that they have

01:07:17.460 about the anti-mandate movement.

01:07:20.580 They either have the ideology of scientism,

01:07:25.140 which is that anything that comes out of the mouth of Dr. Anthony Fauci

01:07:28.800 is good coin no matter what kind of lack of evidence they have.

01:07:33.160 Well, because I believe that the media is suppressing information

01:07:36.200 and I believe that they don't want to see opposition

01:07:40.720 or to show opposition to other people

01:07:42.380 because they're scared that other people, even if they're vaccinated,

01:07:45.560 might wake up and realize that there's something going wrong.

01:07:48.700 Oh, I think it's definitely intentional.

01:07:51.580 The bias is there because there's a lot of money involved in all of this

01:07:55.660 throughout the world.

01:07:56.560 I mean, you think about the billions and billions of masks,

01:07:59.000 hand sanitizer, you know, protective gear.

01:08:02.640 And so, I mean, the people who run those organizations,

01:08:05.200 they also, you know, advertise.

01:08:08.360 Plus, there's the political element, the strong political element.

01:08:11.660 And much of major media is owned by a small handful of people

01:08:14.680 who are politically invested.

01:08:16.420 And so they don't want the voice, you know,

01:08:18.580 of the typical American to be heard on this.

01:08:20.820 Because they want to instill fear on the public.

01:08:22.880 And if you just read news headlines and don't go outside

01:08:26.900 and just, like, see what's actually going on,

01:08:28.640 then you can't get a real, like, perception of what is actually happening

01:08:32.520 and make your own informed choices.

01:08:33.980 But a lot of people's beliefs are, like, predicated on what, like,

01:08:37.380 has happened and what they've heard from from the past year.

01:08:39.840 And to admit that they're wrong would, like, kind of just, like,

01:08:43.000 it's a huge blow to, like, your confidence or ego, your, like, identity.

01:08:47.120 You know, people, like, have, like, everything is so fragile.

01:08:49.660 This is a very, like, fragile house of cards and all it just takes,

01:08:52.160 you can just, like, slip one and the whole thing will tumble over.

01:08:54.400 They're not covering these protests because it doesn't align with feely.

01:08:58.660 They can't say, so they don't say.

01:09:00.740 So they just keep pushing what they're told today.

01:09:06.440 Because they all have a narrative that they follow.

01:09:09.560 And it's state-run media and they are the left arm of the Democratic Party.

01:09:14.220 And they're fake news because they don't tell the whole story.

01:09:19.660 What do you think people who are pro-restrictions are missing?

01:09:27.120 I think they're missing the fact that we cannot live in fear.

01:09:31.620 I think they're missing critical thinking skills.

01:09:33.620 And I think they're missing the fact that this is government overreach.

01:09:37.660 And they're being manipulated through fear and propaganda.

01:09:40.740 I believe they have good intentions.

01:09:42.220 Like, they believe that the vaccine is 100% safe, which, I don't know,

01:09:46.680 everyone can make their own decisions about that and decide to make that decision for themselves.

01:09:50.760 But they believe that if we keep listening, if we keep complying,

01:09:54.780 they believe that all the, like, they believe the road to recovery.

01:10:00.220 Like, they believe that people like us are, like, potholes in the road of recovery, you know?

01:10:03.980 And that complacence and listening to the government's word is, like, we'll cover those potholes.

01:10:09.940 You know, it's like, if we just listen, if we just follow, if we just comply, then everything will be better.

01:10:14.860 And you guys are, like, selfish people that obviously don't care about humanity.

01:10:19.720 That's what they want to label anyone who, like, who goes against the media.

01:10:22.700 They're not, quote, saving lives by just, like, you know, like, constantly pushing this idea that, like,

01:10:28.380 we just have to keep these restrictions in place.

01:10:30.780 And it's, like, it is a laptop class type issue.

01:10:33.220 People that, like, are able to work from home are usually people that they're not out making things with their hands.

01:10:39.620 They're not actually physically doing stuff.

01:10:41.360 They're not, like, you know, in the world of whether it be construction or, you know,

01:10:44.640 any kind of thing where, like, you're physically engaged in your day-to-day life.

01:10:47.920 Their input-output, like, you know, data managers, you know, they're sort of, like, you know,

01:10:53.020 mid-level professionals that, you know, their jobs, I mean, for them, they make a lot of money,

01:10:58.200 aren't essential, yeah.

01:10:59.140 But so there's a difference between, like, I guess the physicals and, like, you know,

01:11:02.660 the sort of the people that live sort of in that remote realm.

01:11:05.740 They're missing courage.

01:11:07.400 They're not courageous.

01:11:09.240 And it's easier to fall in line than to see the reality of things.

01:11:13.720 So I don't think that they don't see it.

01:11:15.600 I don't think they're missing anything.

01:11:16.800 I just think it's too rough and it's too hard to be out the box like we are.

01:11:21.540 They're not really following the science at all because none of these mitigation strategies

01:11:26.320 have been proven scientifically to be effective.

01:11:29.560 There are a lot of Americans coming from diverse backgrounds who agree on this,

01:11:33.600 that it's not a politically, you know, conservative or progressive.

01:11:38.120 People come from all backgrounds and are standing up for freedom.

01:11:40.700 And I think the media really does not like this idea that America, there's a cross-section

01:11:47.580 of folks who are standing up for liberty.

01:11:49.460 They really don't want to see this.

01:11:51.040 They like painting it in a very, you know, with a very fine line so it can easily be dismissed.

01:11:55.660 But the reality is it's a broad-based coalition of people.

01:11:58.580 What I've seen today is this is not the left-right issue that the media is making it seem.

01:12:15.100 This is a workers' rights issue.

01:12:18.260 These people are firefighters, teachers, health care workers that just want to go back to work,

01:12:23.780 have had their livelihoods stripped from them.

01:12:26.720 This is a war on the people.

01:12:28.280 This is a war on the people.

01:12:42.060 This is a war on the people.

01:12:42.680 This is not a war on the people.

01:12:46.800 This is a war on the people.

01:12:51.680 This is a war on the people.

01:12:53.740 This was the games.

Rebel News Podcast - March 23, 2022

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Dr. James Lindsay on Cultural Marxism

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