Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Dr. James Lindsay on the Marxist push to make children queer

00:00:00.220 Hello, my friends. This is an interview you're not going to want to miss. One of the smartest

00:00:03.480 guys I know. Seriously, last time I talked to him, I had to Google a word he used, and

00:00:08.800 that took me about an hour to understand it. Oh boy, he's smart and he sees things, and

00:00:13.500 he gives a vocabulary to us to help us explain what's going on. I find him so helpful to

00:00:19.000 understand the world. His name is Dr. James Lindsay. His new book is called The Queering

00:00:23.920 of the American Child. And by the way, it has very little to do with sexuality. Queering 1.00

00:00:28.840 can apply to anything. Queer math, queer history, queer science. I'll tell you all 0.85

00:00:34.680 about it. We'll be talking to him for almost an hour. Let me invite you to get

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00:00:58.840 Tonight, a terrifying new book about politics and your kids. It's called The Queering of 0.67

00:01:18.760 the American Child. It's March 12th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:23.440 You're ready for freedom! 0.77

00:01:26.440 Shame on you, you censorious bug! 0.99

00:01:29.480 I know you think I'm joking, but there's an idea out there of teaching queer math. I'm not joking. 1.00

00:01:46.160 I thought it was a joke myself. How can math be queer? Doesn't queer mean gay? I mean, 0.99

00:01:53.060 isn't two plus two, four no matter what? And yet, if you look, if you look just a little bit,

00:02:00.020 you'll see that queering math is everywhere. And you'll find out that two plus two doesn't necessarily

00:02:05.380 equal four. I've seen the most absurd explanations for this, like 2.4 plus 2.4. Well,

00:02:11.560 the twos round down to a two, and the 2.4 plus 2.4, that's 4.8. That rounds up to a five. So you see,

00:02:18.640 two plus two can equal five. I know that sounds crazy. That's queer math. And it's queer everything 1.00

00:02:26.060 these days, and really it has very little to do with sexuality. There's a new book on the subject

00:02:31.400 called The Queering of the American Child. And yes, there are some sexual parts to it, but it's about 0.52

00:02:37.620 a total destruction of norms and a total attack on society. At least that's what I think.

00:02:44.580 Here to join us for the course of the next half hour is the author of the book, The Queering of

00:02:49.520 the American Child, our old friend, Dr. James Lindsay, who joins us now via Skype. Dr. James,

00:02:55.280 great to see you again. Thanks for taking the time. Yeah, good to see you, Ezra.

00:02:58.820 Have I properly, in that nutshell, explained what queer means in terms of Marxist theory and the deep

00:03:08.820 state of academia? Have I properly said it basically means smashing old norms? That could be sexual norms,

00:03:15.560 but actually applies to everything. Did I get it? Yeah, that's a very good summary. The definition

00:03:22.040 of queer in queer theory, it doesn't mean gay, as it turns out. It comes from a book called Saint

00:03:28.540 Foucault that was published by David Halpern in 1995. And David Halpern is very clear. The paragraph

00:03:33.780 in which he defines queer, for the first time giving it its technical definition in the academic

00:03:39.320 literature, starts with the words, unlike gay identity. He then argues that gay identity is 0.58

00:03:45.280 rooted in a positive fact. What that means is a truth, something real. He then says that

00:03:51.600 unlike gay identity, which is rooted in a positive fact, queer, he says, need not, and this is his own 0.99

00:03:57.080 words, need not be rooted in any positive truth or any stable reality. There is nothing in particular

00:04:04.020 to which it necessarily refers. So what does it mean? He says it's adopting a position, which means a

00:04:10.960 political position. It doesn't mean who you are. It means how you act politically. Adopting a position

00:04:16.980 vis-a-vis normalcy that intrinsically opposes whatever, in his own words, whatever is considered

00:04:24.160 normal, legitimate, or dominant. So anything normal, anything legitimate, and of course this is a woke

00:04:30.900 theory, so anything that they can tie to the word dominance has to be resisted on principle. Even if

00:04:36.860 queer theory were to be normalized, it would have to resist itself on principle, as a matter of fact. 0.98

00:04:42.640 You know, who would think up such a thing? I mean, basically what you're saying is,

00:04:47.560 I guess like the phrase critical theory. We know what the word critical means, to critique something,

00:04:52.280 to criticize it, to attack it. I guess this is just an extension of critical theory to queer theory. 0.93

00:04:59.140 You're celebrating, well, again, abnormalcy, and we're not necessarily using the term sexuality,

00:05:05.480 sexually. In statistics, you talk about the norm. And basically what queer theory is, if I'm getting 0.98

00:05:13.440 you right, is it's whatever the establishment says, whatever is accepted, whatever is regarded by most

00:05:20.180 people as good, attack it. And whatever is dissident and an outlier and is called deviant, support it.

00:05:30.460 It's basically declaring every day opposite day. Is that, is that, I mean, help me out here,

00:05:37.240 because I'm in a really spooky place. No, you're right. You're absolutely right. With one actual

00:05:42.720 correction, I'm going to take you a little deeper. It's not just what everybody expects. It's not just

00:05:47.460 the political norm, the social norm. That's what they would have you to believe. But even if it's

00:05:52.600 normal, according to what we might refer to kind of an antiquated language as the laws of nature and

00:05:58.200 nature's laws, the laws of nature themselves, that the overwhelming preponderance of a sexually

00:06:04.540 reproducing species will want to engage in sexual reproductive activity, for example. In other words,

00:06:10.440 most people are straight. I didn't say everybody's straight. I didn't add a judgment to this

00:06:15.040 whatsoever. A bare fact that most people are straight, that has to be questioned at its fundamental

00:06:21.700 reality, that in a sexually reproducing species that exhibits sexual dimorphism and sexual reproduction,

00:06:28.160 that you will see that there are on average differences in how men and women behave, how men

00:06:33.940 and women court one another, how they approach the entirety of the set of behaviors, which could go as 1.00

00:06:41.520 far as homemaking, career, everything that lead into what creates a suitable partner for one another.

00:06:49.100 All has to be resisted. There can be no natural explanation. There can be no scientific explanation.

00:06:54.520 There can be no social expectation. All of that has to be rejected and resisted on principle.

00:07:00.900 Anything that tells queer theory no has to be resisted on principle. So it has no limiting principles. 0.54

00:07:07.200 It has no finish line. It has no stopping place. All it can do is critique and destroy relentlessly,

00:07:13.280 because it's a Marxist theory that doesn't hold up economic capital specifically as the bourgeois

00:07:19.700 property that must be abolished and transcended. It holds up the idea that some people get to consider

00:07:24.840 themselves within the range of normal, and other people fall outside of that range, say if they have

00:07:29.980 a mental illness or if they have some proclivity, particularly a sexual proclivity, but not always,

00:07:36.200 that's outside of the range of normal. For example, bringing fetish into public at a pride parade in

00:07:43.320 front of children is not widely considered normal. But for them, that expectation has to be challenged.

00:07:50.900 I guess, I mean, what you're saying there, there's certain natural laws. Queer theory would say 0.99

00:07:56.020 challenge those. I guess that gets back to math. I mean, there's nothing more impervious to opinion

00:08:01.760 than math. You can be black, you can be white, you can be smart, you can be dumb, you can be whatever. 0.99

00:08:06.420 Math is math. It's not going to change. And that's one of the reasons it's such a meritocracy, 0.99

00:08:12.660 is you can't have a little footnote saying, but I tried. But queer math is that. Queer math says, 0.80

00:08:18.880 no, two plus two doesn't necessarily have to be four. And they're taking that to the hard sciences now,

00:08:26.140 too, aren't they? Yeah. So let me remind you, where Halperin said, it's not rooted in any positive

00:08:32.800 fact or any stable reality. There's nothing in particular to which it must refer. When it comes

00:08:38.000 to the question of two plus two, two plus two necessarily must equal four. There is no ambiguity

00:08:42.820 on this. There is no getting around this. If we go into what the words two and plus and equals and four

00:08:49.620 mean, this is an absolutely unavoidable conclusion. There's no wiggle room. There's no argument.

00:08:54.640 There's no debate. However, what they would say is, there's nothing in particular to which two

00:09:00.640 point or two plus two refers. It doesn't necessarily refer to four. And then they pull all sorts of

00:09:07.020 different tricks. Maybe you do it in base three arithmetic, in which case the symbol for four in

00:09:12.380 base three is written with two ones. It looks like what we would call 11. As it turns out, that's still

00:09:19.200 four, even though it's written down differently. But they want to tell you that it looks like 11,

00:09:24.580 therefore it is 11, but even though it's 11 identifying as four. And you can't question

00:09:31.840 that fact. All you can say is that it's too narrow and reductive a way of thinking. It's a

00:09:37.020 constraining and oppressive way to think that two plus two must equal four. They don't say that it

00:09:42.360 must equal three or must equal five or must equal 17 or 11. They say that two plus two can equal,

00:09:47.580 in effect, other things. And who knows what those are? And in fact, they frequently say it that way,

00:09:52.440 that what the queer world looks like is out beyond a horizon of possibilities. They don't try to tell 1.00

00:09:57.860 you what it looks like. It's just a potentiality out there past the horizon. That's literally the

00:10:03.200 way they describe this. Almost like it's a religion with the kingdom of queer God off over the horizon 1.00

00:10:10.100 that we can get to eventually if we abolish all of our norms and expectations.

00:10:13.340 It's so weird. Like it's such a, you know, that old phrase, how many angels dance on the head of a

00:10:20.380 pin? The phrase there is, why are you spending so much time about an obscure irrelevancy? But here,

00:10:27.640 it's worse than that. I mean, you could have a debate about how many angels can dance on the head

00:10:31.580 of a pin because you want to know the answer. But there's no answer here. There's just questioning

00:10:37.200 and destroying and critiquing and undermining. And it's so luxurious in a way. Like it's got

00:10:43.720 nothing to do with feeding people, healing people, helping people with prosperity, with raising people

00:10:48.660 up. And even other isms couldn't say, well, we're trying to increase the prosperity of the working

00:10:55.100 class. We're trying to raise up minorities. There was a goal for some of these other isms. But this 0.94

00:11:01.480 just seems a kind of nihilism, a kind of corrosive termite that just eats at anything. And as you

00:11:09.000 said, it could eat at itself too. Well, this is what I think we spend a lot of time talking about

00:11:14.680 how it goes after normalcy. And I think that's very important, obviously, for every reason that

00:11:19.840 immediately comes to mind. But I think it's actually more important that it says that it is intrinsically

00:11:25.560 designed to be, it is intrinsically whatever as opposed to legitimacy as well. The idea that we

00:11:31.700 will consider not just certain modes of behavior, but certain ways of doing mathematics, or certain

00:11:36.720 ways of doing science, or certain ways of organizing society, that we would consider those legitimate

00:11:42.020 is automatically called into question. And that's overwhelmingly destructive. And what it actually

00:11:49.100 is, what this boils down to is the ability to set up a cult. The people who are priests in the

00:11:55.480 cult, the people who are higher up, who have understood and taken this on and figured out how

00:12:00.120 to ruin people's lives if they don't agree, more or less, that's how it actually works. The people

00:12:04.200 who have gone higher in the cult get to decide what is and is not true, what is and is not legitimate

00:12:09.480 on a case by case basis. So you always have to defer to them so they get all the power. That was kind

00:12:14.720 of epitomized when Marsha Blackburn, the senator from Tennessee where I live, questioned Kintaji Brown

00:12:20.180 Jackson in her Supreme Court hearing and the Senate and said, what is a woman? And everybody laughed 0.59

00:12:26.060 because Kintaji Brown Jackson, who is a woman said, I don't know. I am not a biologist. But what she

00:12:31.460 actually said there is that I'm not an expert. I have to find somebody to whom I can defer, who has

00:12:38.160 this magical rainbow glasses that they can put on. And that person can tell me whether I qualify

00:12:44.280 legitimately as a woman or not. And it's destructive as anything when we're talking about adults. But

00:12:49.800 imagine doing this to a five-year-old who hasn't developed the prefrontal cortex necessary to

00:12:55.680 distinguish fantasy and reality. Can you provide a definition for the word

00:13:00.000 woman? Can I provide a definition? Yeah. I can't. You can't? Not in this context. I'm not

00:13:12.800 a biologist. You know, that reminds me, I mean, I think sometimes, but what is it about transgender

00:13:18.620 athletes in particular who don't just want to compete against women, but who want to go into

00:13:25.820 the changing room? Forget about the unfairness, the unsportsmanlike conduct of a biological man 1.00

00:13:32.080 competing against biological women in sports that were strength and muscle density and size and weight 1.00

00:13:37.680 make a difference. It's unfair. But there's always that added flourish of, I want to change in the

00:13:43.960 same change room as you. I want to invade those places. Part of it is, I think, a sexual fetish that

00:13:50.520 they want to be confirmed. Only a woman would be allowed in the change room with the other women. So 0.94

00:13:55.900 this proves I'm a woman in my mind. But I think, so I think there's a sexual or a psychological

00:14:02.640 selfishness there. But I think it's also to destroy natural instincts of people, stranger danger.

00:14:09.480 There's a man in the women's room. Be careful. Who is that marauder? It's to, it's to beat down our

00:14:16.100 natural instinctive caution about strangers. It's to destroy what our parents teach us about

00:14:24.480 predators. I think, I think the legitimacy that's being destroyed by transgender athletes 1.00

00:14:31.460 is the legitimacy of being afraid or being private about your private life. What do you think of that?

00:14:38.080 I agree completely, as a matter of fact. So over the weekend, as it turns out, since you bring this

00:14:43.260 up, I was with Riley Gaines over the weekend. And she challenged me to a swimming race in the

00:14:49.120 Pacific Ocean. And it's just for a viewer, she's an American athlete who spoke out against men

00:14:55.500 competing against her. I think it might have been. Okay, yeah, I'll give a little more color to who

00:14:58.980 Riley is, because it matters for why I ended up not swimming against her. Riley actually swam against

00:15:04.320 the transgender athlete named William Thomas, who goes by Leah Thomas, who appeared in his senior

00:15:09.720 year suddenly at the University of Pennsylvania after having been, you know, relatively poorly

00:15:16.760 ranked in the men's swimming and appeared on the women's as the number one swimmer in America.

00:15:21.120 And Riley went to the national finals, the national championship, to swim for a national title.

00:15:26.700 And it was in the final race against so-called Leah Thomas. And Thomas and Riley Gaines tied. 1.00

00:15:34.620 So she actually tied this six foot four, as she phrases it, fully intact male in the finals.

00:15:40.820 But they gave the trophy to Leah and made Leah the center of attention instead of letting Riley have 1.00

00:15:46.680 it specifically because of the transgender. And the reason I bring it up isn't because I was able to

00:15:50.840 dodge the humiliation ritual of swimming against America's fastest swimmer in the ocean, which would

00:15:55.120 have been really, I don't think I could have run on the beach as fast as she could swim, to be honest

00:15:59.500 with you. But at any rate, I sort of wish I had done it now, but I missed the swimming opportunity.

00:16:07.060 But the fact of the matter is that the only part of the story, I've heard her story personally,

00:16:11.740 I've heard it when she gives it on stage a few times, I've heard it in interviews, and she tells

00:16:16.600 the story very consistently. The only part of the story that she ever talks about feeling the

00:16:22.440 vulnerability, the invasion, the having to, like you said, override natural instinct was when it was

00:16:29.220 this Thomas character in the changing room with them, six foot four, fully intact male,

00:16:34.580 wearing no clothing, inches away from these women. And that's where she starts talking in terms of

00:16:39.140 vulnerability. Where are our dads? Where are our coaches coming in to rip this character out of this

00:16:45.380 place? And I think you were right, that part of the forcing to accept this is to override those

00:16:51.720 natural instincts of this is dangerous. I'm in a dangerous situation, something bad could happen

00:16:57.540 that otherwise would not be able to happen very easily. And to you teach yourself to override those

00:17:04.380 instincts in order to be inclusive. But in what you're actually doing is teaching yourself to open

00:17:10.140 up circumstances, not necessarily with Thomas, but in many cases, to where, again, I go back to

00:17:16.960 children, where children are learning to override their this feels wrong, something might not be

00:17:23.380 right. And when you have this fact of the matter that schools, even before all of this, are a

00:17:29.600 overwhelmingly frequent site of sexual predation on children, this just completely eliminates any of

00:17:36.940 the natural filtering mechanisms that might have helped stop that problem. In addition to whatever

00:17:43.540 else it invites by, say, intentionally hiring people who probably would not have been easily hired

00:17:49.100 anyway. It overrides every preventative mechanism, every limiting principle, and it teaches people to

00:17:55.260 override them in themselves, which leads them into harm's way.

00:18:00.020 Yeah. I mean, the most astonishing thing, our reporter, David Menzies, you probably,

00:18:05.500 if you don't know him by name, you would recognize me. Where's that fedora? And he's out there

00:18:08.800 at swim meets or at rugby games. He's really one of the only journalists in Canada, if not the world,

00:18:15.360 who covers that beat. And the number one thing he reports on TV, and when I talk to him privately

00:18:21.200 about it, is how astonished he is at the silence of the mums and dads. And it's not just the kids who

00:18:28.520 are being taught shut up. It's the mums and dads. Because the threat is usually, if you speak up,

00:18:36.440 you are a harasser. You are intolerant. We will punish you and your daughter. And what,

00:18:43.320 your daughter's been practicing swimming, wants to make the national team, has been doing this for

00:18:48.520 10 years, can taste the Olympic team. We're going to destroy her entire dream, wreck her entire social 0.98

00:18:54.700 life if she doesn't obey. And you bloody well better obey too, dad. You better shut up. In fact,

00:19:00.380 not just shut up. I'm taking notes on who's clapping. You better clap. You better cheer. 0.67

00:19:05.600 And we know this. We have a friend in Canada, April Hutchinson, who dared to speak out. She's a

00:19:10.840 female power lifter. She spoke out against a man. She was suspended from her team. This was her life's 0.97

00:19:16.400 goal. So there's, the fear is not just being targeted at the children. It's being targeted at

00:19:21.640 their protectors too. It's terrifying. Hey, let me bring this subject back a little bit.

00:19:25.840 I mean, there there's sexuality involved, but as, as you've affirmed to us today, queering means

00:19:33.720 destroying the legitimacy of anything. And you used a word in a speech I heard you give in Calgary,

00:19:40.080 and then I've seen you use the word. I didn't understand it. So I Googled it and I love learning

00:19:45.140 new words. And I feel like, you know, I feel like I have a lot of words, but I'd never heard this word

00:19:50.520 before. You use the word Lysenkoism. And I Googled it and it's named after a man, Lysenko. He was a

00:19:57.520 Soviet communist in Russia. And I want to see if I understand it. Maybe you can explain it. You,

00:20:05.320 you talked about Lysenkoism. Is Lysenkoism, and it was the man, I forget his first name, Lysenko.

00:20:11.860 Did he actually try to queer science? And to say, I deny the science of agricultural genetics. 0.62

00:20:22.820 I have a Marxist explanation and we have to actually silence the actual empirical scientists

00:20:29.420 instead. Help me understand what's Lysenkoism. Is it part of queer theory? Did I understand it 0.80

00:20:34.760 correctly? I just started reading about Lysenkoism and Lamarckism and genetics. And I thought,

00:20:39.680 what am I doing? Let me ask Dr. James Lindsay, what's Lysenkoism and how does it apply to our

00:20:45.620 lives? Well, I appreciate you setting me up to tell you, in, you know, paraphrase of one of the

00:20:52.160 greatest of all time, that I have the best words. That is true. I have absolutely the best words.

00:20:57.620 But Lysenkoism is an important word. The first name you're looking for is Trophim. Trophim Lysenko

00:21:02.920 was the Soviet agriculturalist name. And in the modern, in the, in the technical definition of

00:21:09.260 the word queering, he would not have recognized the word queering. The Soviet Union was not 0.67

00:21:13.460 particularly nice to gay people, but in the, in the, what the word means to override legitimacy in 0.59

00:21:21.920 favor of ideology. Certainly he was queering agricultural science and what he believed was

00:21:27.560 absolutely insane. He believed that if you applied communist theory to plants, that they would grow

00:21:33.240 better. And, but you might have to actually teach the plants or lecture to the seeds. So you have

00:21:38.060 people reading Soviet literature to, or Marxist, Marxist theory to seeds before they plant them.

00:21:43.680 And that they would plant them in high density areas, not within inadequate water, within adequate

00:21:50.180 fertilizer and soil conditions, thinking that they would communally help one another and grow better.

00:21:55.160 And in fact, that the oats could become barley under the right conditions because he rejected

00:21:59.480 Western so-called bourgeois genetics, which turned out to be correct. And he came up with a different

00:22:04.660 kind because we couldn't have what the West uses. And he applied this science and more importantly,

00:22:09.700 Stalin behind him put the full weight of the Soviet state behind this bogus approach to science. 0.70

00:22:17.120 And the result was exactly what you would predict, famines, massive famines. Trophim Lysenko was famous

00:22:23.120 for having remarked that, uh, given enough time, you could convince the oranges to grow in Siberia.

00:22:29.980 And so, uh, he thought that you could override nature completely in terms of the vision of the

00:22:35.540 ideological structure of, of Soviet communism. In this case, it's a different theory that we can

00:22:40.460 override nature and biology completely by applying queer theory to developmental psychology, to chemistry, 0.98

00:22:46.680 to whatever else. So it's the same model. And what we see happening in medicine, very widely

00:22:51.080 supporting these, um, transgender medicine policies and so on really boils down to a medical

00:22:57.560 Lysenkoism that uses queer theory. Uh, it's not agricultural Lysenkoism, but the result will be 0.98

00:23:02.420 the same. If you apply a bogus theory to a science that has to do with living and dying, many people

00:23:08.780 are going to die. So we'll, we, we can expect, we can predict, we don't have to guess. There will be

00:23:13.700 millions of people who are psychologically or physically injured. It's called iatrogenic harm

00:23:20.400 psychologically or physically mutilated, uh, through surgeries and through chemical, uh, manipulations.

00:23:26.860 We can predict that this will happen with 100% certainty because this is what happens when

00:23:31.140 the state begins to enforce a ideology that rejects legitimacy, that rejects, uh, reality,

00:23:38.280 that rejects positive facts and stable truth, uh, in favor of whatever this belief system happens to

00:23:44.520 be. You know, I think there was some agricultural Lysenkoism at play in Sri Lanka recently when they 0.69

00:23:51.460 decided to reject almost a century's worth of knowledge about fertilizer and modern agriculture,

00:23:58.860 the green revolution that Norman Borlaug helped, uh, birth and no, no, let's go.

00:24:04.680 The word they use is sustainability. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah. Sustainability is the word that they're

00:24:09.000 using for agricultural and, and energy production, Lysenkoism today. And, and it had devastating

00:24:15.720 effects in Sri Lanka. They're trying to do it in the Netherlands. They're talking about doing it in 0.99

00:24:20.040 Canada too. That's Lysenkoism. That's ideology overcoming scientific biology. That's telling farmers,

00:24:27.380 we have better ideas than you. We've never set foot on a farm. Our hands are smooth. Um, we think food

00:24:35.860 comes from a grocery store, but we are going to instruct you farmers on the better way to farm.

00:24:41.280 That's ideologically superior. They are saying almost exactly those words right now. I, you know,

00:24:48.480 I remember here's a clip of the former environment minister, Catherine McKenna, lecturing farmers about

00:24:53.960 just farming better here. Take a look at this blast from the past. Thank God she's not in the cabinet

00:24:59.440 anymore, but now she works for the UN. Take a look. It's basically her saying farmers ought to

00:25:04.540 learn some better systems. And I've seen amazing innovations in farming. For example,

00:25:10.220 zero till agriculture, um, using less water, using smart technologies, artificial intelligence to,

00:25:17.860 you know, figure out how you can use less fertilizer, how you can, you know, do a better job tilling,

00:25:23.320 how you can get better results. We can all do this, but if we don't, the impact will be dire on farms.

00:25:31.020 That is a 21st century Lysenkoist telling farmers how to farm better. We're going to all starve if this

00:25:39.360 actually happens. We're going to have plane crashes if they replace, you know, heteronormative

00:25:44.860 cisgender engineering with queer engineering. We're going to, we're going to have a lot of people 0.97

00:25:50.340 dying, uh, if, if we allow the queering of science, uh, on the things that, that we depend on for our

00:25:57.880 lives. This is, this is textbook Lysenkoism. You're absolutely right. The consequences are, 0.81

00:26:03.480 you're absolutely right. Why Stalin backed Lysenko was because he was giving a refutation

00:26:08.600 of so-called Western bourgeois agriculture and biology in favor of a Soviet one. So if Lysenko

00:26:15.240 was proved right, two things would happen. First, the Soviet union would become the most productive 0.58

00:26:20.960 nation on earth, and it will have done so by validating Marxist theory. And so because of

00:26:27.240 the structure of the Soviet regime, which was completely ideologically captured, Lysenko had

00:26:32.680 to be right. In other words, he had to be forced to be made right. So all the scientists who disagreed,

00:26:37.680 they took away these, their medical licenses. Oh, I'm sorry. Wait, that's COVID. Um, I mixed up my,

00:26:42.860 my errors. All the scientists who disagreed actually got sent to reeducation in the gulag,

00:26:47.800 which is roughly the equivalent. They were chased out of their universities. They were chased out of

00:26:51.360 their laboratories, or they were killed outright murdered for disagreeing with Lysenko and his

00:26:56.220 ideas. And they were completely purged. This actually caused a secondary problem in Soviet union,

00:27:02.500 which was that they had a massive brain drain. Uh, and so later when things got a little

00:27:07.360 further on in the world war two rolled around and they suddenly needed rocket scientists,

00:27:12.420 quite literally, they needed physics. They needed rocket science. They needed, uh, munitions and,

00:27:17.320 and, and rations for their troops. They had a major problem on their hands because they didn't have

00:27:22.520 the, they didn't have the stock. They didn't have science, scientists, scientists, and new science

00:27:27.320 anymore. And they had to start building that from the ground up. And they lost a lot of that. And it took

00:27:31.580 them a very long time. It may very, very well be that part of the reason that they ultimately lost the

00:27:36.200 Cold War, at least in the explicit sense, was because of this huge brain drain that it caused

00:27:41.000 them, uh, in the 1930s, primarily through the Lysenkoist experiment.

00:27:45.840 You know, the audacity of saying,

00:27:48.300 if we give communist ideas to, to seeds, they'll grow better. It, it's so absurd, but I know it

00:27:57.660 happened. And I know that's what Catherine McKenna wants farmers to do. It's the same thing. 0.96

00:28:00.940 So I know it's real. You must think of yourself as semi-divine that you can say something and the

00:28:08.320 laws of nature will change to it. It's like the, the, the, the legend of King Canute whose advisors

00:28:15.120 were such flatterers. And King Canute was actually the hero of the story. He said he commanded the 0.98

00:28:20.460 tides not to come in and he was doing this to show his advisors not to be so, uh, obsequious to

00:28:26.860 him. He, he showed that he couldn't stop the tides, but whether you're a Stalinist agricultural

00:28:34.080 communist or a sustainable development communist, these people, I don't know. I mean, do they actually

00:28:41.780 want to change the world? Do they, do they just like being the emperor who can speak things into

00:28:46.960 existence like some sort of a God? Like what would motivate people to believe that they can alter the

00:28:54.460 will, alter the arc of the universe, alter the, the facts of time and space and physics just by

00:29:01.780 uttering a word? I, I mean, it's one thing to be arrogant, but that is, that sounds like a mental

00:29:09.260 illness. Yeah. I think that that's the primary motivation. In fact, their literature reflects this, 0.99

00:29:15.160 um, the critical pedagogue, uh, Paulo Freire, who is a Brazilian Marxist who organized a system of

00:29:21.500 education we use throughout the West called critical pedagogy to this day, um, actually said

00:29:26.780 that his purpose for educating that way was to teach people to learn, to speak the word, to speak

00:29:32.560 the world. So he, I think this literally is very much so one of their motivations. But if we look at

00:29:38.280 the communist or the Marxist ideology, this is all consistent with that. You have to fully understand

00:29:43.480 it. While some of the people may be doing this cynically or through incredibly, uh, arrogant or

00:29:49.500 hubristic, you know, megalomaniacal, uh, beliefs, the vast majority have been convinced that Marxism

00:29:56.500 is the true science of the world. So the seeds speaking, speaking communist theory to a seed

00:30:01.980 sounds stupid to people who are outside of that. But if you've been brainwashed into this cult, 1.00

00:30:07.180 you don't believe that you're teaching the seed communism. You believe that the seed already knows

00:30:12.220 communism and has to be awakened to it, that it's the fundamental truth of reality. And so you're just

00:30:17.140 doing that. And we're saying with people or children, and there are actually queer activists

00:30:20.660 out there. Lindsay Mayer is one name, uh, on Twitter who explicitly said, and this is in their

00:30:25.540 academic literature as well, though, that explicitly said all children, all children, therefore all

00:30:31.200 people are intrinsically queer. Most just don't know it. So with queer theory, the goal is actually

00:30:36.640 awaken you to your true nature, which suggests that this is very much akin. And this is how we

00:30:42.300 structured the book very much akin to a religious cult, uh, where there's a true nature of humanity

00:30:48.120 that's been hidden from human beings by whatever, whether it's an evil demon or a trickster God or

00:30:53.740 whatever on the one hand, or maybe it's by the bourgeois elements of society or the people who

00:30:58.400 declare themselves to be normal to exclude other people in this case, that there is this order to

00:31:04.880 reality that only the secret elect people that have taken the study know what it is. And everybody

00:31:11.900 else lives in a false delusional consciousness. So they think they know the real true nature of

00:31:17.160 reality. So they're not speaking over reality. They actually think that reality itself is an

00:31:22.920 illusion. Reality itself is a distorting lie to prevent them from being who they really are.

00:31:28.960 You know, I first heard that idea about, um, class consciousness that the Marxists would say to

00:31:35.440 working class people who like going to the factory and then saving some money and buying a house and

00:31:40.700 maybe buying a boat and maybe having a nice lifestyle. The Marxists would say that's false

00:31:46.240 consciousness. You're not a winner in society. You're, you should be a radical revolutionary

00:31:51.560 proletariat. Come on, wake up. You've got nothing to lose but your chains. So I think economic

00:31:57.900 Marxism tried to say to people, you should be mad. You should be against the status quo. Don't you know?

00:32:04.740 And it sounds like that false consciousness attempt to radicalize workers is now radicalize everyone

00:32:11.460 against everything to basically be, well, I mean, what's, what's, how did Hobbes describe the world

00:32:21.300 before there was order? Um, a war of all against all where life was nasty, brutish, and short. You know,

00:32:29.920 I mean, when we're all the time fighting against every norm, every political norm, social norm,

00:32:35.600 cultural norm, sexual norm, and even scientific norm, like it's basically a call for everyone to

00:32:41.760 be in a revolution against everything and everyone. It, I mean, I, I'm not particularly religious,

00:32:47.920 but what is that other than the, with the Greek God for chaos or Satan himself, defy everything,

00:32:56.520 challenge everything, tear down everything. It, it, we're really touching on, on religious ideas

00:33:02.200 here. Um, destroy everything, upend everything, the opposite of everything, anti-Christian. The, 1.00

00:33:08.360 what's the queer response to Christ, anti-Christ. I'm going into areas where I don't have a lot of

00:33:14.200 intellectual strength, but that's what it seems like to me. Well, so here's the thing. You're,

00:33:19.160 you are absolutely right. What I described in, without saying the magic word with the secret knowledge

00:33:23.880 and the true nature of reality before is the old religious cult that is identified frequently with

00:33:29.080 satanic distortion. That's called Gnosticism. And, uh, the, the secret Gnostics are the ones who know 0.99

00:33:34.680 all of the secret knowledge of the world. I've actually just left the word out. So as I didn't

00:33:38.680 distract from the fact, but we are dealing with religious ideas. When you brought up the idea of

00:33:42.840 the class consciousness with the, with the Soviets or with the, with the Marxists that, you know,

00:33:47.960 and the class should be awakened to who they really are, that they have nothing to lose,

00:33:51.080 but they're chains that they're not winners in society and they should be mad. They should be

00:33:54.360 mad as a class. What, what we have there is a, like literally class consciousness. It is a group

00:34:00.520 that's being unfairly treated. So what the weakness of that is compared to what we're dealing with now,

00:34:06.200 uh, is that you have to think, well, even if I'm doing pretty good, somehow I'm being cheated. My,

00:34:11.560 I'm doing good. Even if the group I'm in, isn't so yeah, I'm a traitor to my group, blah, blah, blah.

00:34:15.800 What you have now that you have that mentality, but the, Oh, with the identity politics and

00:34:20.520 especially with the sexual identity politics, which is so subjective and so individual,

00:34:25.320 it's all focused on each person. It's individuals are the ones who are actually, uh, rebelling against

00:34:32.040 the entire system. So it feels much more quite literally Satan was an individual cloaking himself

00:34:37.240 as an angel of light who would liberate humanity from God's order. And this is quite literally what

00:34:43.400 we're dealing with. The individuals themselves are at war with everything. But again, in the name

00:34:48.040 of a class identity, the poor LGB kids or whatever are not being recognized in society. The poor trans 1.00

00:34:54.200 people have it really hard. So we're doing it in somebody else's name. That's we're cloaked in a,

00:34:59.720 as an angel of light. But in fact, it's all narcissistic. It's all about me, me, me. Here's my

00:35:05.880 pronouns here. I get to reorder pronouns for myself. Some of them are made up words nobody's ever heard

00:35:11.560 of and can't remember or ever use. And, but you better, or else we're going to reorder,

00:35:15.240 organize society and you're going to be in the gulag or you're going to be lose your job or whatever

00:35:19.640 it is. Uh, we're not just going to have that, but here's my sexuality. Here's my romantic

00:35:23.720 orientation. And here's a 10 paragraph word and nobody knows what it is that describes who I really

00:35:29.000 am. And I have a flag. It's me, me, me, me, me. It's so overwhelmingly narcissistic. And it turns,

00:35:37.880 as you said, all against all, and the, the life that you live in this situation is in fact nasty,

00:35:44.040 brutish, and short. Uh, the West figured out that Hobbes doesn't have to be right,

00:35:49.000 but this actually throws us into the condition that Hobbes was outlining. And, and it is a very

00:35:54.680 fundamentally religious architecture where the deity, the thing that's actually being worshiped at the

00:36:00.920 end of the day is the self as the perfect avatar of a class, uh, of other people that you think that you,

00:36:07.480 you get to believe that you're helping. You know, they say nature abhors a vacuum.

00:36:13.160 And if there's no religion, um, people will create one. And if there's no God,

00:36:18.760 people will appoint themselves God, I suppose. Um, it's, uh, it's terrifying. The book we're

00:36:26.440 talking about just, uh, if you're only joining us now, the book is called The Queering of the American

00:36:30.680 Child. The author is Dr. James Lindsay, who we've had on the show before.

00:36:34.840 The idea of speaking absurd things into the world and making them come true. By the way, that's a,

00:36:41.880 that's a biblical Jewish concept that when God would say a word by saying the word, it would come to

00:36:50.600 life. And, and that's why there's some obscure Jewish approach of looking deeply into the meaning

00:36:56.520 of the word. Like the word Adam, A-D-A-M comes from Adamah, the earth. And like you can, you can look

00:37:04.520 too deeply into words if you believe that, but there's only one person who could make things come

00:37:09.640 alive by saying the word and that's God. But imagine speaking things and expecting them to come

00:37:15.000 to life. But there is one group and I'd like you to respond to this. There is one group to whom you could

00:37:21.240 say absurd, insane things, and it will come to life. And I think this goes to your book.

00:37:29.560 The book is called The Queering of the American Child. And when you have unformed people who are 1.00

00:37:35.480 still learning and still trusting of authority, and they are told by teachers, by guidance counselors,

00:37:43.320 by doctors who have an agenda, that no, you're not just a tomboy. You're actually a man trapped

00:37:50.040 in a girl's body. No, you're not just, you know, going through puberty and have a lot of hormones

00:37:55.240 and emotions. You are actually in the wrong body. And we have to fix that with extreme surgery

00:38:02.840 and puberty blockers. And we're going to speak into existence. You're a boy, you're a girl,

00:38:08.920 we're going to absolutely change the most fundamental nature of you. I think the most successful place

00:38:16.760 where a kind of human biological Lysenkoism is happening is to children. We saw, it was actually 0.81

00:38:23.560 an incredible story in Quebec, the Canadian state broadcaster called the CBC, the Canadian Broadcasting

00:38:30.840 Corporation. It has a French counterpart in Quebec called Radio Canada. It's the same corporation,

00:38:37.080 it's just in Francais. They sent someone in sort of like a, like a teen, an undercover

00:38:44.200 person to one of these clinics. And in 10 minutes, they were getting directions from the doctor

00:38:50.840 to go on puberty blockers. It's in 10 minutes. So I guess the one place where you can speak insane

00:38:58.680 things into action, not talking to seeds, not talking to math, but talking to children

00:39:04.760 without their parents there, you can indeed change lead into gold and change men into women and women 0.96

00:39:14.200 into men. They're going, go ahead. I was going to say that's the goal, but I want to hear your last

00:39:19.880 thought there. No, I was going to say that, that is, I think the, the reason why they're, they're

00:39:25.000 targeting children is because that's the one place where you can say up is down, down is up.

00:39:29.320 Male is female, female is male. And you might actually get the kids to believe it because 0.99

00:39:34.680 that's the thing about kids. That's why we say taking candy from a baby. They're impressionable

00:39:38.680 and the mama bears aren't there to protect them. That's exactly right. That is exactly what one of

00:39:44.760 the primary reasons they target children. And then the other, of course, is that the children

00:39:48.520 will then go home and become disruptive agents in places that they can't easily reach,

00:39:53.560 like private homes, like in churches and faith groups. So the children will come and you don't 0.67

00:39:58.440 understand me anymore. And it becomes a point of drama and the state's taking the child's side

00:40:02.520 and has primed the pump by saying we're trusted adults and your parents might not affirm you and

00:40:07.000 might not love you. Right. But we can be your mom. Now free mom hugs is a hashtag that these very

00:40:12.920 creepy people are saying, if your mom won't affirm you, I'll give you free mom hugs, even though I'm not

00:40:17.560 your literal mother. And they described this in their literature as being part of a quote, queer

00:40:22.520 family. And so they are trying to bring children into a new family that constantly affirms them.

00:40:28.360 Because at the heart of this crazy religion that we're actually describing this cult with the

00:40:32.200 speaking things into truth, they don't understand truth. They fundamentally, truth is not one of their

00:40:38.120 values. For them, that which everybody assents to is true. So everything at two plus two equals four,

00:40:45.320 that if you drop something off the roof, it'll fall due to the force of gravity and accelerate at

00:40:49.640 negative 9.8 meters per second squared. These are not facts about reality. These are things that

00:40:55.800 people have been made to assent to and believe. So if you can get the environment to assent and

00:41:01.640 affirm and believe something, it is for all intents and purposes true. And this is genuinely how they

00:41:07.640 think about the world. Well, children are a very captive and primed audience to accept outlandish things.

00:41:14.200 If you can get the adults around them to pretend and play, or adults are very, it turns out very

00:41:20.120 receptive things. If you can create the conditions around them to be very coercive, their social

00:41:24.440 circle, their professional lives, perhaps their real, their lives themselves, not just their livelihoods

00:41:29.080 and lifestyles, but their physical life. If you can put those at risk, you can get people for decades

00:41:35.000 on end to assent to absolute absurdities. And Marxists, we're theorists, you know, as one in the

00:41:42.280 same in kind of spirit, fully believe that that which people will assent to is true. So again, just to

00:41:51.800 draw the satanic, and you know, I'm not religious either. So just to draw the satanic imagery again,

00:41:58.920 what does Satan mean in the Hebrew? Well, it's prosecutor. So he deceives, and then he accuses.

00:42:06.120 So he says, boys can be girls, and if you don't agree, you're a transphobe, and you might lose your

00:42:12.440 livelihood. That is the motif behind this entire program. The accusation causes people to assent to a lie,

00:42:22.040 Satan being alleged to be the father of lies, causes people to assent to a lie, and once you

00:42:27.720 assent to the lie, you've given away part of your soul to that system, and you can no longer be

00:42:33.400 righteous, or live an upright life, or pass through the straight and narrow, as Jesus commands in the

00:42:38.760 gospel. And it's because of this belief that whatever is assented to is real, that they act this way, because

00:42:46.040 they can force, or coerce, or trick, or with children especially, just in a kind of pied piper

00:42:51.800 sort of way, lead them into believing and assenting. And of course, reality at the end of the day is

00:42:59.320 real, and reality at the end of the day doesn't care, because reality is a thing you run into when

00:43:03.560 your beliefs are false. But their game is to make this run as long as they can until that all happens,

00:43:10.200 and when it collapses, to blame those awful transphobes who didn't let us do it right,

00:43:14.520 because it would have worked if they did. You know, there's the near past, and then there's

00:43:20.920 prehistoric past, and then there's things that are in our histories that don't seem right. They seem

00:43:27.160 like they're exaggerations or legends. Whether we're talking about the golden calf, did they really make

00:43:33.640 a golden calf? What exactly were they doing when they were dancing around it? You know, what's the

00:43:39.960 truth behind that? Is it a legend? Is it a myth? Is it an allegory? Is it an exaggeration?

00:43:44.440 What do they actually do then? And so many things that were lost in the sands of time, so many

00:43:51.240 cultures and civilizations about which we heard things, but just little wisps here and there.

00:43:58.680 One of my favorite movies is Mel Gibson's Apocalypto, which gives you a flavor of what

00:44:04.360 Central America was like before Columbus came, the human sacrifice. What I'm getting at here is there are 1.00

00:44:11.400 certain things, it's a kind of deep madness, an evil so deep that we would probably lack the

00:44:19.080 language for it today. And when we see traces of it in Bible or in ancient codifications, we assume it's

00:44:28.200 an exaggeration. But I think that is actually the ooze from which we pulled ourselves. Not just

00:44:36.920 evolutionary ooze, but over 50,000 years of human civilization, if that's how long it's been.

00:44:44.680 You can imagine how long it went wrong and how hard it was to make it right. And I feel that we're

00:44:50.280 undoing ancient taboos and we're rediscovering ancient evils. Horrors that have not been seen

00:45:01.000 in thousands of years, I think, are being unlocked. And I'm not trying to be spooky, and I'm not trying

00:45:06.440 to be mysterious. I'm just saying, I see flashes in it that in life these days, whether it's, you know,

00:45:19.000 Transgender Library Day or whatever those are called. Like the absolutely insane, and I'm going to say 1.00

00:45:25.400 the word satanic accoutrements and costumes, teaching young children. And with no intermediary there,

00:45:34.200 you've got these absurd, often dressed sort of like a ram's head kind of over the top wig,

00:45:39.880 and the children and being given access to it. And I think this feels biblical. This feels like a story

00:45:47.800 that we were told that was supposed to scare us. And we always thought, oh, Pasha, come on. It wasn't

00:45:52.440 like that. You know, like Sodom and Gomorrah and turning back. No, no, no. That's an allegory. That's

00:45:59.160 that's a warning. That's a, that's a problem. That's like an Aesop's fable. But I feel like we're,

00:46:04.840 we have glimmers of things that haven't been seen in thousands of years. I don't know. It makes me

00:46:10.600 think of W.B. Yeats poem, The Second Coming, and what rough beast, you know, its hour come round at

00:46:18.840 last slouches towards Bethlehem to be born, if I'm remembering it right. I feel like we are opening up

00:46:26.280 a box that has been closed for thousands of years. And it is terrifying to me. Last word to you,

00:46:32.680 Dr. James. Yeah, since we've gone in that direction, we wrote the book. The first sentence

00:46:37.880 of the book explains that this is a religious cult. Queer theory is a religious cult. It has a grip on 0.66

00:46:42.600 our children. It's based on sex. It has only a little bit to do with being gay. Very little, 0.79

00:46:47.880 as a matter of fact, most actually gay people would either do or would oppose queer theory if they

00:46:53.160 realized that they're dealing with queer theory and its contents. And queer theory has been

00:46:57.400 historically an enemy to gay civil rights movements. It opposes equality and acceptance

00:47:02.920 because those are stabilizing forces and they need radicals. This is all historical. This is

00:47:07.160 in their literature. You can easily verify what I'm saying, but we've hit on this cult religion

00:47:11.640 motif and we've talked about the satanic. And again, I urge you to remember, I'm not actually

00:47:15.640 religious. So I'm in water myself. I'm not particularly comfortable with following this 0.79

00:47:21.720 particular, whether it's metaphor or more line of description, but Satan as prosecutor, that's what

00:47:28.840 the word means. What is it? It's to deceive and then to accuse and to give birth to lies. So what does

00:47:35.240 it do this? See how often I want your viewers to just see how often this pattern in one domain or another,

00:47:42.040 whether it's the queer sexual stuff, whether it's the race stuff we have with critical race theory,

00:47:47.560 whether it's the environmental stuff, whether it's just politics, you know, down here, it's,

00:47:51.880 you know, the, the MAGA crowd up there, you've got the people who are fighting against Trudeau.

00:47:56.280 How often has this pattern played out that there's a deception in play? Oh yeah. We're just trying to

00:48:01.400 help poor kids who might commit suicide. And if you don't go along with it, there's an accusation.

00:48:07.400 The accusation is that you're a transphobe and it's your fault that it's not working.

00:48:11.640 And that forces you, in other words, gives birth to a lie in your heart when you assent to it to fit

00:48:18.200 in, to be nice, to be supportive or inclusive or empathetic as they ask you to do. This pattern

00:48:24.760 plays out far too often to be comfortable. And you'll see it again and again. Deceive,

00:48:30.120 accuse, give birth to a lie. Deceive, accuse, give birth to a lie over and over and over again.

00:48:37.080 And so I, again, I'm in uncomfortable waters, but I want people to understand that this is,

00:48:40.760 as you're alluding to, very dark. And I think it's a, it's a ancient identifiable,

00:48:46.360 named in the book, cult of Gnosticism playing out through social means. And I think that we are,

00:48:53.080 as you said, opening a box that we, I think, have a narrow window still in which to mostly shut

00:49:01.400 and keep the worst from coming out. But it takes people understanding what we're really dealing with

00:49:06.120 and that their calls to empathy are distortions and, in fact, lies, but also lures. And so that's

00:49:12.440 why we wrote the book, The Queering of the American Child, was to equip parents and grandparents,

00:49:17.880 everyday normal people who have children or work with children in particular to understand

00:49:22.600 what we're dealing with so we can make that stand and shut this dark box.

00:49:27.480 You know, I said that was the last word, but you made me, every time I listen to you,

00:49:31.480 I think of five more things I want to say, and I'm going to take the liberty of saying one more

00:49:36.120 thing and then I'll let you close. You know, how long does it take to, to learn to trust someone,

00:49:43.240 deeply trust them, months, years, maybe a lifetime? How long does it take to build a high trust society

00:49:53.000 that you deeply trust, not just your, your family, but your neighbors and others who you don't even

00:50:01.880 know closely, but you've built a high trust society, a whole town. How long does it take to build up a

00:50:07.560 town where people feel comfortable leaving their doors unlocked or the, or, you know,

00:50:13.240 women walking on the street by themselves? I would take it, I tell you that takes generations, 1.00

00:50:20.440 generations to build up a high trust society like that. And when people come from a low trust society

00:50:25.160 that take advantage of it, they can destroy it very quickly. But before they've destroyed it,

00:50:29.720 they take enormous advantage. I feel like part of this is destroying, part of this is a high trust

00:50:37.240 society issue. We, we always trusted that schools would be safe for our kids. We always trusted that

00:50:42.840 the other moms or the teachers would care. So part of it has to do with just taking advantage of a high

00:50:47.880 trust society. But, but it's also, it took us centuries to get to where we are as a civilization. And we

00:50:56.200 don't even realize how hard fought every single thing in our culture is. And I think, I think we

00:51:04.680 risk falling back centuries, not just years, but centuries, and the loss will be incalculable. And,

00:51:13.640 and we will, God forbid, if we don't change course, realize pretty soon that we will be leaving,

00:51:19.720 living in the ruins of a superior civilization. You can see that sometimes architecturally,

00:51:28.760 but I think we'll soon be able to say that morally. And in terms of personal safety, we are regressing.

00:51:36.440 And I don't know, I think you're, the ideas you've talked about here are terrifying.

00:51:40.760 And I don't know if I made any useful contribution in the last two minutes there, but you made me think

00:51:44.600 about what we take for granted and what we're losing. And I think it's been targeted on purpose.

00:51:50.600 If you have a final thought, feel free to say it. I, I'm, I think I just rambled a bit there,

00:51:55.240 but my God, this is scary. No, you're right. And, uh, what I would say is, you know, we talk about

00:52:00.440 a high trust society in terms of walking down the street at night, especially for a woman or leaving

00:52:04.840 your doors unlocked or leaving valuables in your car outside or something like this. But we also should,

00:52:10.760 you, you finally said it there too, leaving your children in the hands of other adults for

00:52:16.440 significant numbers of hours while you go off to do other things, whether it's to work for your home,

00:52:21.560 if you're a homemaker, or whether it's to do your job, if you have a job outside of the home,

00:52:25.720 but to leave your children in the hands of other people, that's an extraordinarily high trust

00:52:33.080 phenomenon. That's a phenomenon that can only happen in a society that has worked over many generations

00:52:39.160 to become very stable so that we can trust other people with our children. And what I want to say

00:52:45.480 is, like I said, we wrote this book to reveal the, the simple fact to parents, grandparents and teachers

00:52:51.400 and other adults with their heads on their shoulders. Um, they are betraying that trust at

00:52:58.200 an enormously quick rate and they are taking advantage of that trust. And I agree with you completely.

00:53:04.840 It is intentional. The goal is the destruction, the destruction of our children and by extension of

00:53:10.280 their families, the destruction of the faiths that have held families together. The destruction is

00:53:16.040 absolutely intentional and it is targeting using our children as weapons because they are using our

00:53:22.840 children and their captive state in our high trust society in our schools to bring them, induce them

00:53:30.280 into a religious cult that we have to understand as quickly as possible.

00:53:35.880 The book is called The Queering of the American Child. We've been talking with Dr. James Lindsay. Great

00:53:41.080 to see you again, my friend, and good luck with the book. I think it's very important.

00:53:46.120 Thank you, Ezra.

00:53:48.440 Well, that's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:53:53.560 to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - March 12, 2024

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Dr. James Lindsay on the Marxist push to make children queer

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