Rebel News Podcast - August 22, 2025


EZRA LEVANT ｜ Elbows Down! A total surrender from Mark Carney to Trump


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51 minutes

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170.06648

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8,740

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626

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

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00:00:00.080 Hello, my friends. Elbows down. Mark Carney has decided to surrender to Donald Trump after all.
00:00:06.460 Abject total surrender, abolishing all tariffs on America and in fact accepting new tariffs
00:00:12.620 from America on Canada. I've never seen anything more pitiful, but his backers will still love him.
00:00:19.000 All they care about is stopping the Conservative Party of Canada. They don't actually care about
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00:01:11.340 Tonight, elbows down. A total surrender from Mark Carney to Donald Trump. It's August 22nd,
00:01:32.220 and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:36.900 Shame on you, you censorious bug.
00:01:48.900 Mark Carney, the Irish-British banker, sold himself to Canadians as the Trump whisperer,
00:01:55.500 the kind of guy who is sophisticated and worldly and operates at the highest levels.
00:02:00.420 The kind of guy who knows how the world actually works and the only guy tough enough to handle
00:02:06.360 Trump. He said that. You were at the helm of a company that quite clearly registered much of
00:02:11.820 its business in Bermuda to avoid paying taxes, including, as CTV News reported, registered to
00:02:18.060 an address of a bike shop in Bermuda. You have said that this is the way the world works and that in
00:02:25.220 the case of pension funds, that leaves more money for pensioners. But in this case, it looks like just
00:02:30.460 plain tax avoidance. This may be a legal practice and, as you say, as the world works, but is it
00:02:37.960 ethical, Mr. Carney?
00:02:40.260 The, first off, I'm no longer at Brookfield. Secondly, this follows, their arrangements follow the rules,
00:02:47.940 including the tax rules of this country, other countries. And thirdly, as you mentioned in your
00:02:54.680 question, that the structure is organized so that Canadian pension funds can get the most benefit for
00:03:01.160 those pensioners, which are teachers, retired first responders, and public servants. Thank you.
00:03:07.860 I did not really respond to the question as to your opinion as to where, if it was ethical,
00:03:12.700 but let me follow up on that. You wrote a book, Values. The thesis of that book was that capitalism
00:03:20.140 or markets left to their own devices don't help humanity. For years, your party, the Liberal Party,
00:03:26.820 has promised to stop the practice of tax avoidance that Brookfield and other companies have engaged in.
00:03:34.320 Do you have the tools to do that? You said so. When are you going to release and tell Canadians what those
00:03:40.480 tools are and when will you implement them? In terms of having a fair tax system in Canada,
00:03:47.580 including for corporate taxations, absolutely a priority of my government. If we are reelected,
00:03:55.720 it would be a priority of our government to ensure that our companies are paying their fair share of
00:04:02.260 taxes. Well, unlike Pierre Polyev, he said, he would be tough with Trump. Elbows up, he said,
00:04:08.960 and you know, he meant it because he kind of did a chicken dance with his lovely bride, elbows up dance.
00:04:28.920 Part of that elbows up approach was to disparage Trump, to threaten Trump,
00:04:33.120 to talk tough about Trump, to make little sneak attacks on Trump. I mean, in the middle of trade
00:04:38.000 negotiations after the election, Carney jacked up an internet tax on U.S. high-tech companies right in
00:04:44.660 the middle of trade negotiations. Total ambush. Carney thought part of being tough was putting tariffs on
00:04:51.360 U.S. goods. And that could make sense. That is how a trade war works, I guess. Except he did so on
00:04:58.120 goods that were specifically exempted by the U.S.-Canada trade deal, the USMCA. Here's some
00:05:06.160 astonishing news about that. I would maybe add, we've been nicer to Canada at this point than Canada
00:05:12.800 has been to the U.S. Would you say from what you're seeing, what you're hearing, is there any areas in
00:05:19.980 Canada that have made the current negotiation approach harder to reach a mutually beneficial
00:05:27.560 agreement? Oh, yeah. I think some of the retaliatory tariffs to the U.S. are a huge irritant.
00:05:38.500 We have protected the integrity of Kuzma. Our negotiators have said, we are not going to
00:05:49.380 implement tariffs on any products that are covered under Kuzma. Canadians have said,
00:05:56.700 those guardrails are off. I think since April, they have been tariffing U.S. products
00:06:02.380 that are part of the Kuzma agreement. Okay. The products that are covered under Kuzma are,
00:06:11.520 they're going into the U.S. tariff-free and the ones going north are covered or now have this,
00:06:20.680 I think, 25% tariff on them. Okay. And so what it means is I know from American companies,
00:06:27.460 they're saying, hey, we're basically going into Canada and we can't sell because we've got a 25%
00:06:35.320 tariff while our Canadian competitors are coming into the U.S. with no tariffs at all. You put that
00:06:42.760 together with the actions of your provinces where they're saying in certain cases, they're saying,
00:06:51.420 all right, we're going to first buy product from our province. If the product from our province is
00:06:58.480 not available, we are going to buy Canadian. If there's not a Canadian product available,
00:07:04.540 we're going to buy international. And if there's not an international product available,
00:07:10.640 then we may finally consider buying American or maybe not buying at all. Okay. I think,
00:07:17.980 you know, they've gone, the Canadians have gone on those issues, they've gone significantly further
00:07:29.520 than where the U.S. has gone. Canada is calling into question the future of Kuzma. It's not the
00:07:38.260 United States of America. It's Canada. I had to learn that from a citizen journalist because the CBC would
00:07:44.060 never say anything contrary to Mark Carney's narrative. And Carney and his brain trust, whoever
00:07:50.960 they are, thought it was a good idea during these same negotiations to endorse Hamas and Palestine,
00:07:56.920 right when Trump was at the same time trying to negotiate an end to that war. So, I mean, normally
00:08:02.740 no one cares what Canada thinks about a foreign matter around the world, except for it gave encouragement
00:08:08.060 to Hamas that I think scuppered Trump's deal. And just tweaking Trump, just insulting him, just
00:08:15.180 shamelessly saying that Trump wanted to destroy Canada. I don't think Trump does.
00:08:20.380 President Trump is trying to break us so that America can own us. That will never, that will never,
00:08:29.040 ever happen. But we also must recognize the reality that our world has fundamentally changed.
00:08:41.720 Carney also said he was going to get closer to other countries that are rivals of America
00:08:46.200 instead and reorient our country to China, obviously, and to Europe. He weirdly said that Canada
00:08:53.300 was a natural fit for the European Union.
00:08:55.940 I want to ensure that France and the whole of Europe works enthusiastically with Canada,
00:09:03.160 the most European of non-European countries, determined like you to maintain the most positive
00:09:11.440 possible relations with the United States. Canada is a reliable, trustworthy and strong partner
00:09:20.160 of France, which shares our values and lives them through action during this age of economic
00:09:27.920 and geopolitical crises.
00:09:30.040 Yeah, no, what a laugh. By the way, his European buddies didn't even invite him to the White House
00:09:35.920 last week to talk peace about Ukraine. Tiny little Finland was there, but not Canada.
00:09:42.100 Now, I don't know who blackballed Mark Carney. Maybe it was Zelensky, but probably not because
00:09:47.540 Canada is such a big donor. Was it the Europeans? Or maybe it was Trump himself. I don't know.
00:09:52.260 All I know was that no one invited Canada and frankly, no one seemed to miss Canada's presence.
00:09:59.300 But boy, is Carney bad at all of this, isn't he? And Carney's closest ally, the conservative
00:10:04.560 in name only Doug Ford, the alleged conservative Premier of Ontario. He has no role in foreign affairs.
00:10:10.520 He's never missed an opportunity to just be rude and stupid towards Trump.
00:10:15.800 What's the general impression of Trump in Canada?
00:10:21.240 He's probably the most disliked politician in the world in Canada because he's attacked
00:10:25.460 his closest family member. And that's the way we look upon it. And when I talk to the governors
00:10:30.260 and senators and Congress people, even Republicans totally disagree, but they're too scared to come
00:10:36.660 out and say anything because the president will go after him outside of a few senators.
00:10:41.500 And I want to thank them for coming out and standing with not just American people, but their
00:10:48.080 closest friends and allies, which is Canada. And again, we love the Americans. It's unfortunate
00:10:54.600 President Trump decided to go down this road.
00:10:57.840 You know, if that kind of thing would actually work, I'd get it. But have you ever heard of
00:11:02.620 Trump responding positively to someone insulting him? I mean, have you ever? And just this week,
00:11:08.800 Doug Ford said he's not going to stop with his insults.
00:11:11.620 I'll never stop, you know, poking Donald Trump, but we're going to focus on what we can do so
00:11:17.460 that no matter who the next president is or whatever the next crisis, we're able to protect our
00:11:24.180 workers, the services the public relies on and our communities, not just from President Trump,
00:11:31.540 but from anything that comes our way for decades to come.
00:11:36.440 Yeah, well, I guess I guess we saw the fruits of this strategy. Here's Mark Carney a few hours ago in
00:11:43.280 that plodding, monotonous, bureaucratic tone of voice, completely surrendering to Trump, just
00:11:50.680 abjectly just removing all the tariffs he had placed on America and just accepting whatever Trump wants
00:11:57.400 to do, he's fine with. Let's be absolutely clear.
00:12:01.540 Canada currently has the best trade deal with the United States. And while it's different
00:12:11.180 from what we had before, it is still better than that of any other country.
00:12:18.320 So as we work to address outstanding trade issues with the United States, it's important,
00:12:24.760 it's vital. We do everything we can to preserve this unique advantage for Canadian workers, Canadian
00:12:31.460 businesses. And doing so will require both building on a soon to be revised CUSMA, our free trade
00:12:41.440 agreement with the US and Mexico, as well as developing a new form of trade and security
00:12:46.880 partnership with the United States.
00:12:51.420 In this context, and consistent with Canada's commitment to CUSMA, I'm announcing today that
00:12:57.680 the Canadian government will now match, we will now match the United States by removing
00:13:04.200 all of Canada's tariffs on US goods specifically covered under CUSMA for decades. As a result
00:13:12.140 of a series of trade agreements, starting with the free trade agreement of the 1980s, the Canadian
00:13:17.780 and the US economies have become steadily more integrated, continually more deeply connected.
00:13:26.020 As I've emphasized in recent months, that steady process of integration is now over.
00:13:32.960 And as a result, some of our historic strengths have become vulnerabilities. We can and must
00:13:40.840 adapt to this new reality. That means concentrating on trade investment and security partnerships
00:13:49.200 that preserve our sovereignty. And it means striking new trade deals that are robust to different
00:13:55.420 economic circumstances, different governments, because of the mutual benefits to both countries.
00:14:03.360 In all these ways, Canada will move from reliance to resilience, building our strength at home,
00:14:09.600 developing new markets abroad, creating new opportunities for Canadian workers and businesses
00:14:15.700 as we build the strongest economy in the G7.
00:14:19.440 At pretty much every stop during the election, you referenced elbows up and saying that was going
00:14:22.820 to be the strategy you take with the Americans. You also consistently said that Donald Trump
00:14:25.960 was trying to break us so he could own us. Your new argument today is that Canadians should
00:14:30.160 accept basically the best of a bad deal. What's been the change in the-
00:14:34.760 Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I reject the premise of that question, or your characterization
00:14:43.820 of what I'm saying. We have the best deal with the United States right now. Okay? We have the
00:14:50.100 best deal. Look at the numbers. Our tariff is 5.5%. We have 85% of our goods are free trade.
00:14:57.100 It's not what we used to have. Nobody has a deal with the United States that they used to
00:15:02.340 have. Nobody does. They have fundamentally changed. It's their right. We respect it. They have fundamentally
00:15:08.740 changed their trade policy. They have new objectives. And they haven't just talked about those objectives.
00:15:14.980 They've put in place tariffs, and they have signed a series of trade deals, including with the European
00:15:20.120 Union, including with others, that have put those into effect. Okay? So we're in a position
00:15:25.240 where we have held out, not signed a deal that we don't agree with or that we don't think is in the best
00:15:35.440 interests of Canadians. And focused on, and we will remain focused on, those strategic sectors.
00:15:41.680 To the best interests of Canada first. Of course, America will focus on the best interests of the U.S.
00:15:47.040 But we do so from a position where we're respecting with this decision, we're respecting our agreement
00:15:53.840 with the United States, and we are matching what they have done. That puts us in a good position for
00:16:00.620 these, for the next phase. It was sort of pitiful. It was sort of sad. He just sort of gave everything
00:16:05.240 away. And then he said, hey, guys, it's okay, because we still have the best deal in the world.
00:16:10.320 And I did a really good job. And I'm a really good boy. You know, I don't think I've ever seen a worse
00:16:16.140 negotiator in my entire life. So much weirdness. I mean, I don't get it. Just yesterday, Anita Anand,
00:16:23.040 Carney's pro-Hamas foreign minister, managed to get a very brief meeting with Marco Rubio,
00:16:28.060 the Secretary of State. And this is after the U.S. really wouldn't meet with Canadians.
00:16:32.300 But reportedly, Anand cut the meeting short and came home early for other matters. What?
00:16:41.500 What is more important? I don't know, another memo about Palestine or something? It's so weird,
00:16:47.020 so weak, so unprofessional. And mainly what a total failure of his campaign promises.
00:16:53.020 What's supposed to happen now? But what's so interesting to me is how the Liberal Party and
00:16:58.960 their media allies, they were totally in support of this disastrous strategy of trying to out-bully
00:17:05.600 Trump, out-insult Trump. They screamed to Danielle Smith, the Premier of Alberta, who actually went down
00:17:11.660 to Washington, D.C. to make the case for Alberta in good faith, one person at a time. She didn't use
00:17:17.660 insults or threats. The entire media party called her a traitor. They used those words. Here's that
00:17:23.920 crackpot of the CBC and the Global Mail, the once sane Andrew Coyne, responding to someone calling
00:17:31.000 Danielle Smith a traitor. When Washington talks to the British, it's leadership. When Benedict Arnold
00:17:36.380 talks to them, it's treason. Maybe it matters what you say to them. He's saying that by trying to
00:17:43.220 negotiate with Trump, Danielle Smith was a traitorous, a traitor like Benedict Arnold.
00:17:50.660 Yeah, it's tough to take the media party seriously anymore, though. They'll immediately rebrand
00:17:55.380 Carney's abject surrender as brave leadership. No more talk about treason for dealing with Trump,
00:18:02.100 just like they immediately accepted Mark Carney setting the carbon tax to zero. Just immediately,
00:18:08.060 20 years of banging the drum for climate change was ended because their hero, Mark Carney, was against
00:18:13.740 the carbon tax for now. They really never believed in it all along. It was just a game, a trick to trip
00:18:20.780 up the conservatives. And that's just not useful now, so they've all stopped caring. But Mark Carney
00:18:26.860 didn't just surrender back to zero with Trump. Today, Trump unveiled new tariffs on Canada, and
00:18:33.820 Carney's fine with that. Tariffs include steel and aluminum. I mean, remember, Carney famously said,
00:18:40.140 who needs steel anyways? Well, a lot of people do. Here's Saskatchewan's Premier Scott Moe. He said,
00:18:46.940 the U.S. has expanded its steel and aluminum tariffs to manufactured products that include Canadian
00:18:51.980 steel and aluminum. This is a major blow to Saskatchewan ag equipment makers who employ thousands
00:18:57.340 of people in our province. Our Minister of Trade Warren Ketting has written to the federal government to ask
00:19:03.260 what they are doing to have these tariffs removed and what they're doing to support these businesses
00:19:09.900 and workers while the tariffs are in place. Yeah. The thing is though, Saskatchewan, it has just one
00:19:16.620 single liberal MP. They don't care about Saskatchewan and Ottawa. I mean, my proof to you is they haven't
00:19:23.180 lifted a finger. They haven't even verbally said anything about China's 100% tariffs on Saskatchewan
00:19:30.460 canola crops. Hey, real question. Can you name a single thing that Mark Carney has achieved as
00:19:36.620 Prime Minister? He's been Prime Minister for 161 days today. It's almost half a year. What has he done?
00:19:46.940 Parliament has sat for a grand total of just 22 days during that time. Mark Carney would do
00:19:52.460 disastrously in question period. So I say again, what has he done? He hasn't even brought in a budget so much
00:19:58.780 for this smart banker. He has no deal with the US. Immigration is skyrocketing. Crime is skyrocketing.
00:20:06.060 Taxes are skyrocketing. Oh, they did get another thank you letter from Hamas. So that's what he's
00:20:11.180 achieved. Total failure. I thought this guy was supposed to be an improvement over Justin Trudeau.
00:20:16.700 You know, I've been working on a monologue and I don't know how quite to do it because something
00:20:34.780 has changed. I'm 53 years old and for my entire life, the right, the North American right, the
00:20:41.660 Anglospheric right, has been phylo-semitic, the opposite of anti-semitic. I grew up in rural
00:20:49.980 Alberta. I went to a country school. My sister and I were the only Jews in a school of 400. You would
00:20:55.900 think, oh, that's stereotypical racist country. The opposite. People, if anything, were super friendly
00:21:02.060 and curious. My entire life, I felt comfortable in conservative parties knowing that anti-semitism
00:21:09.020 was a leftist mind virus. It was based on, you know, jealousy or blaming others, not taking
00:21:18.540 responsibility. There were so many things about anti-semitism that made it the perfect ideology
00:21:23.980 of the left. Not the least of which was the Soviet Union weaponizing it against Israel in part of the
00:21:30.780 proxy war between the USSR and America. But in the last year, I have seen people I've looked up to on
00:21:40.140 the North American right become bitterly anti-Israel and in some cases even anti-semitic. And I find it
00:21:48.940 very discombobulating because this is not the conservative movement I've seen and known. And I
00:21:55.180 have to say with some sorrow that even some of my personal heroes have been washed over by this.
00:22:01.660 And I'm thinking in particular of Tucker Carlson. I'm not going to pretend we were close, but he had
00:22:06.460 me on his show on Fox News a few times. I really looked up to him as an independent journalist,
00:22:12.140 and he was very kind to us at Rebel News. I don't know what's happened, but here's one mashup
00:22:17.660 of how Tucker has completely changed his mind on some of these core issues. Take a look at one of them,
00:22:23.660 Sharia law. I saw on the internet just the other day. Take a peek.
00:22:27.500 So a lot of Americans are concerned about Sharia law.
00:22:31.020 Sure.
00:22:31.740 And they're concerned about polls that show a strikingly large number of Muslims would like
00:22:36.700 to see it supplant civil law in the countries in which they live.
00:22:40.380 Sharia law is bad, Seth. I don't know if you've heard that. It's bad. It's worse than what's happening
00:22:45.020 in New York and Detroit. It's just bad.
00:22:46.780 I don't know of a single Gulf country where it's illegal to proselytize on behalf of another religion.
00:22:52.140 I think that in every Muslim-majority country in the world, non-Muslims are treated, have fewer rights.
00:22:58.700 And you can tell when you go to a place like Abu Dhabi or Riyadh, like, oh man,
00:23:03.100 I hope we don't ever wind up with a society like this with a rape rate of zero where you leave your
00:23:08.140 keys in your Lamborghini and don't ever worry about it being stolen.
00:23:11.660 So you often hear people say, well, Sharia is intolerant. Women are treated badly. Gays are treated
00:23:17.340 badly. Women have, in the Quran, fewer rights than men do.
00:23:22.140 I'm not Muslim. I'm not for Sharia law. On the other hand, compared to what? Compared to Baltimore?
00:23:26.220 In England, it's four out of 10 British Muslims. In France, 29% of French Muslims would like to see
00:23:32.540 it replace French law. You know, if people want to get wasted, they do it at home. You know what I
00:23:37.180 mean? Yeah. Oh boy, I hope we don't wind up with that. But I've seen a bunch of polls like this that
00:23:42.460 show that the attitudes of faithful Muslims are not Western at all and that they include a tolerance of
00:23:48.620 violence you don't find among, say, Presbyterians or Jews. You know, shut up. Sharia law. Meanwhile,
00:23:54.780 a California Imam is apologizing after he referred to Jews as filth. Oh Allah, liberate the Al-Aqsa
00:24:01.260 mosque from the filth of the Jews. Oh Allah, count them one by one and annihilate them down to the very
00:24:06.540 last one. Do not spare any of them. Sorry, Sharia law. I don't understand it. I don't understand why
00:24:15.180 Tucker has suddenly gone anti-Western. He's been platforming extreme alternative historians who say
00:24:23.100 that Churchill was actually the enemy in World War II and Hitler. Well, perhaps we should have been on
00:24:30.300 his side. I don't get it. There's Tucker. There's I mean, Candace Owens goes even further in an
00:24:36.220 interview with my friend Steve Edgington that she later demanded be taken down. She said that America
00:24:43.180 should not have even joined the Second World War, even though Steve Edgington pointed out Japan
00:24:49.100 attacked Pearl Harbor. Here's that clip that Candace Owens demanded be taken down. I managed to save a copy.
00:24:56.380 Take a look. Do you think that America shouldn't have gone into that Second World War? Yeah. And
00:25:00.940 that is a radical statement. People don't know how to deal with that because we've all been so
00:25:04.940 brainwashed by the school system to believe that. Well, look how great things are. Let me ask you
00:25:09.180 about your country. Do you think that your country has become greater since? Has our country become
00:25:13.340 greater since? Absolutely not. You know, this whole idea of international liberalism. Now it's not just about
00:25:17.740 your problems. It's about solving the world's problems. Let's make sure that in Pakistan there's a trans flag
00:25:22.780 waving. No, I actually if Pakistan does not want to wave a trans flag, I don't even want to wave a
00:25:27.980 trans flag. But why is this my business? And they're constantly trying to pollute you to make
00:25:31.580 you think that it is your business. No, I actually am comfortable if that's going to be the newest
00:25:36.780 smear that I have to wear, that we're isolationist. Good. Good. I want to be concerned with just
00:25:41.500 America's problems. As soon as those get resolved, I'm happy to pick up our head and say, oh, well, you know
00:25:47.740 what? There are our friends over there in the UK. Let's see. Let's see how they're doing. If we can
00:25:51.580 help them. But America first. But if Japan did attack Pearl Harbor, so presumably you would have
00:25:56.540 reacted to that. Yeah. I mean, yes. Okay. I think, of course, if you're ever talking about a threat in
00:26:01.260 terms of your nation being attacked, you should always have an equal response. But at the moment,
00:26:07.820 a response was just, right? Does the response necessarily dictate a world war? These are
00:26:15.180 questions that should be relegated, I think, to an academic discussion. These would be interesting
00:26:18.380 academic discussions. I'd love to get up a bunch of people and to play out those scenarios. What
00:26:22.060 if we had just responded to Japan and dealt with a threat? You know, I haven't had the time to sit
00:26:26.540 down and think about it. And I definitely don't want to do that on the fly and get that wrong. But it
00:26:29.420 would be a very interesting discussion to think about other options in terms of responding to things.
00:26:33.420 You know, the war was essentially over. Japan was already negotiating their surrender.
00:26:37.580 They had been literally on the defense for two years. There was no reason that we needed to drop
00:26:42.620 that bomb on a Catholic church, no less, in Nagasaki, in order to end the war. That's garbage that you're
00:26:48.380 being taught in your school system. Well, what's going on? Part of it, I think, is, I don't know,
00:26:53.580 the pendulum swinging back and people liking to transgress a taboo. And you can attack Israel or the
00:27:00.620 Jews in that particular instance. And you're not going to be, I don't know, car bombed as compared
00:27:06.460 to if you say criticize Mohammed and draw a cartoon of him. You could get slaughtered like in Paris,
00:27:13.100 France about a decade ago. I think some of it is money. Qatar has pumped billions of dollars into
00:27:20.380 influence industries in the United States. I was shocked when I saw that Qatar paid $200,000 to get
00:27:27.340 their political leader on Tucker Carlson's show. That really seems like a tit for tat.
00:27:32.700 But I've seen some other theories. And one of them that I saw online the other day was very persuasive
00:27:37.340 to me. It was by Will Chamberlain who said, maybe this whole growth in these strange and alternative
00:27:45.180 viewpoints of Candace Owens going, spending hours and hours talking about the sexual details of
00:27:51.980 the first lady of France. Maybe it's because things are going too well in America and people are tired
00:27:59.900 of winning and there's not enough to talk about since Trump is taking care of it. I thought it was
00:28:04.220 a great thesis. And I'm delighted to say that Will Chamberlain has come on the show to talk more
00:28:09.580 about it, to help explain this phenomenon on the online right. Will joins us now from Washington where he
00:28:14.460 is with the article three project, which helps vet judges and the Edmund Burke foundation, a conservative
00:28:21.580 organization. Will great to see you. I don't want to blur things like, you know, going after obscure
00:28:27.340 alternative histories, isn't necessarily anti-semitic and I'm not calling everybody anti-semitic, but there
00:28:32.220 is some of that, but there's certainly something going on on the right where it's, it feels radical.
00:28:37.660 It feels stupid and it feels unconservative. What on earth is going on?
00:28:44.140 So, so I think there's a few dynamics at play. Uh, the first is things are really, as I said,
00:28:48.620 things are going very well for the Trump administration right now. It's extremely effective.
00:28:52.540 Uh, they managed to reduce border crossings to zero. ICE has 20 times the funding now that it had,
00:28:59.580 uh, under the Biden administration. Uh, we federalized the district of Columbia and are shutting down
00:29:04.940 what used to be one of the most crime infested cities in the country and making it safe again.
00:29:09.260 I mean, and that's just one of many options. There's, there's been peace agreements all over
00:29:13.180 the world, a peace agreement. If you're at all familiar with the history of Armenia and Azerbaijan,
00:29:17.900 the fact that we have negotiated a peace deal there is one of the premier diplomatic accomplishments
00:29:23.340 of the entire century. And that's something, you know, that's one of six peace deals Trump has
00:29:27.980 negotiated in the first seven months of being president. So things are going really well. They're
00:29:32.780 going really well for the hard American, right? The American right that wants to see immigration
00:29:37.020 restricted dramatically, the border secured, um, the, the populist, right. And as a result,
00:29:43.180 I think many of our normal voters are kind of going about their day to day, just focusing on their lives
00:29:48.060 there because they don't have to worry about politics in the same way they did under Biden.
00:29:52.620 And as a result, if you're a content creator in the space, getting views is hard. It's hard because
00:29:57.820 our people are focused on other things. I think that's, that's really part of it. I'm,
00:30:03.180 I'm here in Canada, as you know, Will, and we've got an awful lot of problems up here. Things are
00:30:07.340 getting worse all the time. I just saw that refugee claims in the first half of 2025 were larger than
00:30:14.300 in all of 2024. So things are getting worse faster. In the United Kingdom, the migrant crisis is spilling
00:30:21.820 into the streets. There is so much to talk about. Everyone can see the problem, but you're so right.
00:30:26.940 I see today that Donald Trump is now making a list of all 55 million visa holders. And he's checking
00:30:32.620 if there's any of those he can kick out 1.5 million already deported transgender extremism on the back
00:30:38.860 foot. Like it's win after win. And maybe it is tough to find something to talk about. I mean, and I
00:30:44.380 have no idea if, if Emmanuel Macron's wife is a he or a she, and maybe that is the scoop of the
00:30:51.340 centuries. Candace Owens says, but maybe that's what you talk about when all of the make America
00:30:56.780 greater grand promises are actually getting done. Trump maybe did too much in his first hundred days.
00:31:02.700 Yeah. So, you know, and it's something I can think about, like maybe you, you're closer experience
00:31:06.620 with Canadian commentators, but I follow a few and I follow a number of British commentators and they're
00:31:10.700 very focused on the problems of their country, right? British commentators are very focused on
00:31:16.140 the refugee crisis, violence from, uh, you know, asylum seekers, uh, the, the social media censorship
00:31:23.020 that's going on in their country. You know, the, the, a lot of cases, Canada has, as you say,
00:31:27.420 a lot of problems. I'm sure Canadian commentators are focused on how terrible their administration is.
00:31:31.660 And yet here I just see kind of it's weirdness and, and there's other dynamics too, which is,
00:31:37.580 you know, I think there's a cognitive dissonance that results when you make predictions. You know,
00:31:42.220 a lot of these commentators decided to make their big stand against Trump and the administration
00:31:47.420 on the Iran strikes and made a whole slew of predictions about the Iran strikes leading to
00:31:51.740 World War III being a terrible mistake, et cetera. Um, because it was, and it was the one case where
00:31:57.260 Trump seemingly went against the broader philosophy of America first and non-intervention. But I think
00:32:03.100 he picked his spot very well. And it, and it's kind of obvious because that war ended in 48 hours
00:32:07.820 and was brought to a close probably much faster than it would have been absent American intervention.
00:32:13.100 And so it's hard to kind of do a mea culpa and be like, well, I guess I was wrong. For instance,
00:32:17.740 maybe Trump knew more than I did on this specific question. And so you get, you get things channeling
00:32:22.700 off into different ways, uh, and, and people getting angrier about things that are not relevant to the
00:32:29.180 average American's daily life. Yeah. I mean, it was almost like commentators on, I don't,
00:32:34.460 I'm not going to use the word the alt right. Cause I don't think that's really what they are,
00:32:37.660 but there's something cooking on the right. I, you know, James Lindsay calls it the woke,
00:32:41.740 right? I I'm not sure if that's what it is, but boy, they were, it was almost like they were lusting
00:32:46.700 for things to go wrong in Iran. I don't even, I don't even know if I would say America went to war.
00:32:51.820 I mean, I think it was half a dozen planes dropped a dozen specialty bombs. And that was sort of it.
00:32:59.660 It was over as soon as it began. I don't even think that classifies as a war. The whole thing,
00:33:05.580 you know, it was a war with Israel. It, I really felt like there was parts of the online right who
00:33:13.340 wanted Trump to fail to, to sort of show him. That's what happens when you go to war against
00:33:18.780 Iran, which we have decided we like now because it's a counterweight to Israel. I mean, I thought
00:33:26.060 Trump's in, I thought, I thought Tucker's interview with Vladimir Putin was useful,
00:33:30.460 even if it wasn't that elucidating. But I think since then he's, he's really gone on a crazy bender
00:33:37.420 of talking to wackos and extremists, which I think could be great TV, but he doesn't press them.
00:33:43.100 I think you could have the head of Qatar or a Palestinian nun on your show and ask great
00:33:50.460 questions, get a lot of clicks. What surprises me is that Tucker turns into a gentle lamb when
00:33:56.700 he's talking to America's enemies, but he goes ferocious against someone like Ted Cruz.
00:34:00.940 So I mixed a whole bunch of issues there, but I find it confusing and I'm really trying to find
00:34:06.140 my way through it. Yeah. I mean, first I'll talk about James Lindsay first. So James Lindsay
00:34:11.900 is woke, right? Nomenclature, I think is totally useless. He'd characterize me as woke, right?
00:34:16.060 He characterized my organization as woke, right? It's such, it's an umbrella term that he's using
00:34:20.300 as a classical liberal to, to essentially indict anybody to the right of him. It's really obnoxious,
00:34:25.820 and not enlightening in any way. Like if I'm woke, right? And Tucker Carlson is woke,
00:34:29.580 right. Then what, what even is the term describing? Uh, so I think that a good way to,
00:34:35.500 it's sort of classified as like the anti-Zionist, right? I think that's actually a useful way to
00:34:39.900 understand what's going on. And part of the, again, it's a cognitive dissonance issue. There's
00:34:44.460 this long running thesis on the sort of anti-Zionist fringe, right? That, you know, is really
00:34:50.300 hostile to Israel, that Israel is subverting American policy in its own interests. And therefore that many
00:34:57.180 of the harms that are going on domestically in the United States are sort of a function of the bad
00:35:01.740 behavior of Jews or Israel. That's like the overarching thesis. And the problem is the Trump
00:35:06.300 administration is aggressively disproving that because while it is simultaneously a very pro-Zionist
00:35:12.140 administration, it is also very aggressively solving the problems that have been plaguing the country for
00:35:18.140 a long time and that the hard populist right has identified for quite some time. So it's showing that
00:35:23.020 there's no real connection there and that the underlying thesis of the anti-Zionist right has
00:35:26.540 been wrong. Um, that has been basically disproven. And it's the same problem with the Iran strikes.
00:35:31.580 What happens when you have a thesis you believed in a long time that is disproven by events? You can
00:35:36.620 either sort of embrace it and just shift mentally, or you can kind of go into cognitive dissonance and
00:35:42.300 start kind of going off in wild directions. Yeah. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist and, and I don't
00:35:49.420 like the accusations you're in the pocket of a foreign power. But I remember when Tenet media,
00:35:55.740 T-E-N-E-T was discovered to have taken millions of dollars from a Russian front. And it rang true
00:36:02.060 to me because I, I, I sort of know the people who were involved with it, one degree of separation or
00:36:06.780 whatever. And I remember Lauren Chen, who's actually a Canadian, she was sort of the boss of this
00:36:12.460 operation. And I always respected her. I thought she was a very thoughtful, interesting, uh, conservative.
00:36:17.900 She's part of Asian or something. So it gave her a different perspective. And I remember
00:36:23.740 she started tweeting anti-Trump stuff sort of from the right. I hate Trump. He's not good enough
00:36:30.220 on abortion. I hate Trump. He's not, uh, her tweets are still up. You can find them. And I thought,
00:36:35.260 that's weird. That doesn't seem authentic. I know Lauren well enough to just, where did that come from?
00:36:41.500 And I see that same attack Trump from the right, cause dissonance, try and fracture
00:36:48.060 the MAGA base. And I, I see it from people who wouldn't have said that, hadn't said it before.
00:36:53.660 And then when it came out that she was taking big money from Russia, I thought
00:36:58.300 that is the only way this makes sense for Lauren Chen to have said those things. Because I know she
00:37:03.180 didn't actually believe them. And I think we have to be grown up and realize that Qatar and others,
00:37:09.020 they are getting seriously into the influencer business. That's not even a theory. I mean,
00:37:15.660 a lot of what they do, they register and disclose. A lot of what they do is
00:37:20.140 not really disclose a bull. They pump more money into American universities than any other country.
00:37:26.700 I think some of what we're seeing out there is agitprop.
00:37:31.980 Yeah, I think that's right. And I think it's, you know, the, you have the occasional Lauren Chen who
00:37:36.540 was just directly and knowingly taking Russian money, uh, according to the allegations from,
00:37:41.020 you know, the indictments against her. But then I think there's another dynamic too, which is,
00:37:45.900 I think there's, there's a lot of foreign bot farms that are not intentionally being used by the
00:37:50.300 influencers themselves, but are used to encourage influencers to adopt narratives that are favorable to
00:37:56.540 those running the bot farms. I think that's a long running dynamic because, you know, one, again,
00:38:01.580 the problem of any content creator is you want to create content that gets engagement, that gets
00:38:06.060 liked, that, you know, gets spread, goes viral. Um, if you hire a bot farm, if you're an outsider and
00:38:12.860 you hire a bot farm and you have them like all the content that a content creator makes that is more
00:38:16.700 aligned with your worldview, you can sort of subtly shift how they feel and, and shift what they're more
00:38:21.900 likely to be interested in because they believe that it's their audience that's interested in it.
00:38:26.220 Um, and that they're getting authentic. And so I think to me, that's the most obvious
00:38:30.060 explanation for what's happened with Candace Owens. I mean, I think she's a victim of audience
00:38:33.420 captured by, you know, essentially either, either bot farms or just a very highly motivated groups
00:38:40.220 that have tried to drag her further and further into the swamp of absurdity.
00:38:45.340 I mean, I think her case is particularly sad. I don't know if you saw the, the series of tweets
00:38:52.060 published by her father-in-law who was actually the vice chair of a Jewish Christian, you know,
00:38:58.540 allies group in the UK. Like he's, he's, he's Gentile himself. He was so heartbroken. He took to
00:39:03.900 Twitter saying, I don't share my daughter-in-law's views. I can't imagine a more painful letter to write.
00:39:09.100 It made me sad, but here's another thing. Like there's a lot of comedians who are getting on this
00:39:13.660 and conservative comedians. I think there's a, there's a renaissance in conservative comedians.
00:39:18.860 And I think there's a couple of things that first of all, there was censorship. And unfortunately,
00:39:23.900 some of the faces of censorship on social media were Jewish. I think of the so-called anti-defamation
00:39:30.700 league that was run by an Obama staffer. And he was so partisan and so punitive. And his job
00:39:37.740 description was, I'm going to censor things I don't like on the internet. And he was so clearly
00:39:41.820 Jew-y that I think that him sort of doing it in the name of Jews created more anti-Semitism than
00:39:49.980 anything else. And there are certain people online who are so officially Jewish. I think of Rabbi Shmuley,
00:39:55.740 who has such bad judgment sometimes. I think the head of the ADL, Jonathan Rosenblatt, I think is his
00:40:01.020 name and Rabbi Shmuley and a few online official self-appointed spokesmen for the Jews. I think,
00:40:09.820 I think if you're an online right-wing comedian who, who feels free to speak now because Elon Musk
00:40:16.940 has freed the social media and Trump has freed the social media, you think, well, I'm going to say
00:40:21.980 exactly what the ADL says. I can't, I'm going to prove that I can transgress what was once a taboo
00:40:28.220 and try and stop me. I don't know. I think part of it is a backlash
00:40:31.980 to the Jewish face of censorship over the last decade. Maybe I'm too self-conscious,
00:40:36.780 but I hate it when I see someone in a censorship position who's Jewish. I wish they were anything
00:40:41.980 else. Yeah. I think you, you've identified a big issue, which is, I mean, first off,
00:40:48.300 the ADL has been a really obnoxious organization in terms of the way it's been handling the right.
00:40:52.220 It's pur, you know, purported, held itself out there as a Jewish organization. And it's really
00:40:56.380 just a progressive, hard progressive left-wing organization. And as a result, and it's, it's
00:41:01.340 just, I mean, it's been useless. I think the guy who runs that organization should resign and really
00:41:05.100 all the donors should stop donating to it. It's not, whatever its original purpose was, it's not
00:41:09.980 serving it now. And certainly I think, I mean, Rabbi Shmuley and people, you know, of his ilk are, are
00:41:16.220 not certainly not helping the cause of Jewish people around the world. They're certainly not helping their
00:41:20.940 image and you, and you sort of have a, you know, it's, there's a adverse selection problems. Like
00:41:26.620 the people most likely to seek the limelight on behalf of the entire Jewish people in this respect
00:41:31.100 are usually the least suited to it. I remember growing up, sometimes my grandmother would say
00:41:35.420 if there was a terrible crime committed, it was, you know, there was sort of a reflex. I hope he's not
00:41:40.620 Jewish as in, you know, I hope this terrible public disgrace that we're about to learn the identity of,
00:41:47.580 I hope it's not someone from the Jewish community because it'll read down to all of our discredit.
00:41:52.220 And I think that's what's happened. And I'm not going to talk about Vladimir Zelensky,
00:41:55.820 but having a Jewish guy who looks sort of Jewish, and we heard so much about how he's Jewish,
00:42:01.820 be the face for, hey America, give me a hundred billion dollars worth of foreign aid.
00:42:07.420 I think that sort of, sort of blended with Israel's three billion dollars a year of aid.
00:42:13.500 I just think that all these things, it was a perfect storm and it was weaponized by
00:42:18.780 domestic and foreign enemies of Israel. And I don't know, I just feel we're,
00:42:23.900 there hasn't been this much anti-Semitism in the world since 1945. I, and I, and I'm worried that
00:42:29.900 it's seeping into mainstream conservative politics, especially amongst young people. I don't know.
00:42:34.620 Uh, what, what are your thoughts on that? It's a huge subject and, but, but, but I,
00:42:38.940 I wonder if you've done some thinking about it. It's worrying, but I think, I, I guess I'm more
00:42:44.860 optimistic about this. I think, I mean, the cause of Israel to me strikes me as fundamentally a
00:42:48.700 right-wing cause and one that is very much aligned with the interests of the American right, because
00:42:53.020 Israel is a country that's simply saying we're a policy. We're going to say who's going to be an
00:42:57.900 Israeli and who's not, and we're not going to commit national suicide because the global left
00:43:03.340 finds our, our arrangements unfair or wrong. We don't care. And that's exactly what we're
00:43:08.940 trying to do here on the American right. Like we're saying we have the right to determine who's,
00:43:13.020 who's in our countries and who's not that the people who come to our country are going to be
00:43:16.620 loyal to us and not try and undermine our polity. Uh, that's the entire point of our immigration policy.
00:43:21.580 And I think, you know, and, and what I'd say to, you know, any sort of young right-wing person is that
00:43:27.340 if you go after Israel on the grounds that everybody's trying to go after it with these
00:43:30.860 frivolous claims of genocide or these arguments that how dare they try and make sure that they
00:43:36.380 don't let themselves be destroyed, uh, demographically, then you're undermining your own case in the
00:43:43.260 West too. Like you're, you're undermining the case to restrict immigration in the first instance in
00:43:47.100 the West. And I think we all need to, you know, take a step back and realize that the ultimate
00:43:51.500 goal here is to reverse, preserve civilization against barbarism and Israel's on the side of
00:43:56.300 civilization. You know, some people say they're against Zionism. To me, Zionism is basically
00:44:01.980 ethnic nationalism for Jews in the Holy land where they were indigenous. Maybe you could tweak the
00:44:07.260 wording there a little bit, but it's basically Jewish nationalism in a geography that is linked
00:44:12.380 to the people historically. I mean, tweak those words, but if you're against that, but you're,
00:44:17.100 but you support other nationalisms, that's, that's a contradiction that I think is tough to reconcile.
00:44:24.060 There's probably about 50 countries in the world whose constitutions have embedded within it
00:44:29.100 a race or a religion. I mean, about two dozen Muslim countries, Islam is right there in their
00:44:34.460 constitution. Even the British constitution, uh, um, the king is the head of the Church of England.
00:44:40.060 There are many countries where Christianity is hardwired in the constitution. So I think, and,
00:44:45.660 and there's even a, a fringe movement in Christianity to say being Zionist is anti-Christian
00:44:52.700 and un-Christian, which seems to me to forget the whole purpose of the Crusades, which was to take
00:44:57.900 back the Holy land from Islamic interlopers. I don't know. I just feel like a lot of the arguments
00:45:04.700 against Zionism are in against Israel. They feel like there's this prefab bundle of talking points
00:45:12.300 out there that doesn't pass scrutiny. I don't know. I suppose I'm letting it all out here.
00:45:17.420 Well, I'm complaining to you because I myself regard myself as a nationalist Canadian who supports
00:45:23.180 national identities from Ireland to Greece to wherever. And frankly, if I look at the American
00:45:28.940 administration, probably the, the second most important person in restoring the American nation,
00:45:35.340 other than Trump himself is a Jew named Stephen Miller, who I think has been essential to retaking
00:45:42.540 America for Americans. I don't know. It just sort of breaks my heart because I loved the America and
00:45:47.660 the Canada of the last 50 years, which, which eschewed antisemitism as, uh, a socially unacceptable
00:45:56.940 bigotry. And I feel like it's sort of coming back in last word to you. Well, I think I've been
00:46:01.420 thinking out loud here, you know, trying to figure out my ideas. It hasn't so much been an interview
00:46:06.860 as a therapy session for me, but why don't you, why don't you wrap up with some thoughtful thoughts?
00:46:12.620 Yeah. I find anti-Zionism kind of bizarre as though it's like acceptable. What other countries do you
00:46:17.340 think should not exist or should have radical governmental and demographic changes in order to completely,
00:46:22.620 you know, take away their character? Like, especially Irish anti-Zionists. Like I'm like,
00:46:26.780 fine, maybe, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm for a one state solution in the British Isles. You guys can
00:46:31.260 lose your sovereignty of the United Kingdom again. Wait, is that offensive to you? No kidding. What?
00:46:36.620 Well, maybe I'm anti-Pakistani. I think the creation of the Pakistani state was a huge
00:46:40.940 geopolitical mistake and the Indians should Hindu, there should be Hindu superiority, you know, Hindu
00:46:46.140 front, you know, Hindu from the Indian ocean to the, the, the Hindu Kush mountains or something like
00:46:51.100 that. Right. I mean, we can, we can come up with any number of examples that would be obviously
00:46:54.780 offensive to existing sovereign states and their peoples. Uh, and yet there's exactly one that
00:46:59.660 it's acceptable to say, oh, well they, they're behaving badly. Therefore their entire state
00:47:03.580 is illegitimate. I'm sorry. What? Like, you know, Germany still exists. Do you think Germany should
00:47:08.860 cease to exist because of world war II? Yeah. I find it tough. These are tough times. I mean,
00:47:15.180 to me, it would be like someone saying, I really like Italians. I just don't think Italy is right. I,
00:47:20.540 I love the French people. No problem with French people. It's just France. I hate,
00:47:23.740 I just don't think those things make sense. Listen, it's great to catch up with you. Thank
00:47:27.180 you for letting me be, uh, use you as a bit of a sounding board. I, I find it frustrating when
00:47:31.900 some of my heroes, and I really looked up to Tucker for so many years, maybe I was just a fan
00:47:36.300 boy in Canada who thought, wow, that guy's in the big leagues. But I think he really was a champion
00:47:40.860 of conservative ideas. And now I don't even know who I'm looking at. Um, and, and, and I,
00:47:47.020 I hope one day I understand it, but for now I don't, but you've helped clarify a few things,
00:47:50.780 Will, and it's great to see you. Great to be with you. There he is. Will Chamberlain.
00:47:55.820 He is online, which is where I follow most of the time. He's also
00:47:59.260 with the article three project and the Edmund Burke Foundation. Stay with us more ahead.
00:48:13.020 Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me. These are on the report from, uh, Infowars that the
00:48:20.220 United States is considering sanctions against British bureaucrats for censorship. Uh, Jerwin
00:48:27.100 Tiberius says should impose massive 100% tariffs for their misalignment with U.S. constitutional rights.
00:48:33.740 Any allies should also be aligned with U.S. policy and ideology. You know, we don't want America to
00:48:39.980 rule the world as an empire, but if U.S. companies like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, et cetera,
00:48:49.740 are being threatened by the Brits, then it's not meddling in British affairs. It's stopping the
00:48:54.780 Brits from meddling in American affairs. And that's the thing. I do not want decisions about my freedom
00:49:00.540 to be made in Washington, D.C. But if U.S. platforms that I use every day are censored in Canada,
00:49:07.820 then I'll take the U.S. help. I really do. Pitsky says issue a travel warning to the UK as well.
00:49:14.300 Hey, that's a good point. I mean, Canada issues these stupid warnings. Whenever there's something
00:49:19.580 in the U.S. about pro-life or anti-trans, the Canadian government issues some sort of warning.
00:49:25.900 We're not going to Colorado anymore. We're not going to Florida anymore. It's just so political.
00:49:31.420 But it is a real threat that if you go to the United Kingdom and tweet something the government
00:49:35.340 doesn't like, you could actually be arrested. It really is a problem. I like the idea of a travel
00:49:40.380 warning. Home Straight says someone was arrested for saying I like bacon in front of a mosque. No B.S.
00:49:46.540 You're right. Here's the video of that.
00:50:00.060 It's so nuts. These
00:50:29.740 police are so hypersensitive. I like bacon is never a crime. It might be slightly rude if you're
00:50:37.580 at a Muslim event, like at a Muslim dinner or something, and you say, I like bacon. But even
00:50:43.980 then, it's not particularly rude. It's not aggressive. It's not hateful. You're just saying you like
00:50:48.140 bacon. It might be sort of dumb or awkward to say, but it's never a crime, let alone outside giving a
00:50:54.780 talk. Just craziness. That's the two-tier policing that Brits have come to experience. But there is a
00:51:02.860 kind of uprising, and Brits are raising the flag, not just the British Union flag, but the English
00:51:11.340 flag that crossed the St. George. I'll have more to talk about on that subject next week. But until then,
00:51:16.940 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.