EZRA LEVANT ｜ Elbows Down! A total surrender from Mark Carney to Trump
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Mark Carney has decided to surrender to Donald Trump after all. Abject total surrender, abolishing all tariffs on America and in fact accepting new tariffs from America on Canada. I ve never seen anything more pitiful. But his backers will still love him. All they care about is stopping the Conservative Party of Canada. They don t care about any substance.
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Hello, my friends. Elbows down. Mark Carney has decided to surrender to Donald Trump after all.
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Abject total surrender, abolishing all tariffs on America and in fact accepting new tariffs
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from America on Canada. I've never seen anything more pitiful, but his backers will still love him.
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All they care about is stopping the Conservative Party of Canada. They don't actually care about
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Tonight, elbows down. A total surrender from Mark Carney to Donald Trump. It's August 22nd,
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Mark Carney, the Irish-British banker, sold himself to Canadians as the Trump whisperer,
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the kind of guy who is sophisticated and worldly and operates at the highest levels.
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The kind of guy who knows how the world actually works and the only guy tough enough to handle
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Trump. He said that. You were at the helm of a company that quite clearly registered much of
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its business in Bermuda to avoid paying taxes, including, as CTV News reported, registered to
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an address of a bike shop in Bermuda. You have said that this is the way the world works and that in
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the case of pension funds, that leaves more money for pensioners. But in this case, it looks like just
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plain tax avoidance. This may be a legal practice and, as you say, as the world works, but is it
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The, first off, I'm no longer at Brookfield. Secondly, this follows, their arrangements follow the rules,
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including the tax rules of this country, other countries. And thirdly, as you mentioned in your
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question, that the structure is organized so that Canadian pension funds can get the most benefit for
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those pensioners, which are teachers, retired first responders, and public servants. Thank you.
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I did not really respond to the question as to your opinion as to where, if it was ethical,
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but let me follow up on that. You wrote a book, Values. The thesis of that book was that capitalism
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or markets left to their own devices don't help humanity. For years, your party, the Liberal Party,
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has promised to stop the practice of tax avoidance that Brookfield and other companies have engaged in.
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Do you have the tools to do that? You said so. When are you going to release and tell Canadians what those
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tools are and when will you implement them? In terms of having a fair tax system in Canada,
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including for corporate taxations, absolutely a priority of my government. If we are reelected,
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it would be a priority of our government to ensure that our companies are paying their fair share of
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taxes. Well, unlike Pierre Polyev, he said, he would be tough with Trump. Elbows up, he said,
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and you know, he meant it because he kind of did a chicken dance with his lovely bride, elbows up dance.
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Part of that elbows up approach was to disparage Trump, to threaten Trump,
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to talk tough about Trump, to make little sneak attacks on Trump. I mean, in the middle of trade
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negotiations after the election, Carney jacked up an internet tax on U.S. high-tech companies right in
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the middle of trade negotiations. Total ambush. Carney thought part of being tough was putting tariffs on
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U.S. goods. And that could make sense. That is how a trade war works, I guess. Except he did so on
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goods that were specifically exempted by the U.S.-Canada trade deal, the USMCA. Here's some
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astonishing news about that. I would maybe add, we've been nicer to Canada at this point than Canada
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has been to the U.S. Would you say from what you're seeing, what you're hearing, is there any areas in
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Canada that have made the current negotiation approach harder to reach a mutually beneficial
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agreement? Oh, yeah. I think some of the retaliatory tariffs to the U.S. are a huge irritant.
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We have protected the integrity of Kuzma. Our negotiators have said, we are not going to
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implement tariffs on any products that are covered under Kuzma. Canadians have said,
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those guardrails are off. I think since April, they have been tariffing U.S. products
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that are part of the Kuzma agreement. Okay. The products that are covered under Kuzma are,
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they're going into the U.S. tariff-free and the ones going north are covered or now have this,
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I think, 25% tariff on them. Okay. And so what it means is I know from American companies,
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they're saying, hey, we're basically going into Canada and we can't sell because we've got a 25%
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tariff while our Canadian competitors are coming into the U.S. with no tariffs at all. You put that
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together with the actions of your provinces where they're saying in certain cases, they're saying,
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all right, we're going to first buy product from our province. If the product from our province is
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not available, we are going to buy Canadian. If there's not a Canadian product available,
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we're going to buy international. And if there's not an international product available,
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then we may finally consider buying American or maybe not buying at all. Okay. I think,
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you know, they've gone, the Canadians have gone on those issues, they've gone significantly further
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than where the U.S. has gone. Canada is calling into question the future of Kuzma. It's not the
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United States of America. It's Canada. I had to learn that from a citizen journalist because the CBC would
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never say anything contrary to Mark Carney's narrative. And Carney and his brain trust, whoever
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they are, thought it was a good idea during these same negotiations to endorse Hamas and Palestine,
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right when Trump was at the same time trying to negotiate an end to that war. So, I mean, normally
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no one cares what Canada thinks about a foreign matter around the world, except for it gave encouragement
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to Hamas that I think scuppered Trump's deal. And just tweaking Trump, just insulting him, just
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shamelessly saying that Trump wanted to destroy Canada. I don't think Trump does.
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President Trump is trying to break us so that America can own us. That will never, that will never,
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ever happen. But we also must recognize the reality that our world has fundamentally changed.
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Carney also said he was going to get closer to other countries that are rivals of America
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instead and reorient our country to China, obviously, and to Europe. He weirdly said that Canada
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I want to ensure that France and the whole of Europe works enthusiastically with Canada,
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the most European of non-European countries, determined like you to maintain the most positive
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possible relations with the United States. Canada is a reliable, trustworthy and strong partner
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of France, which shares our values and lives them through action during this age of economic
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Yeah, no, what a laugh. By the way, his European buddies didn't even invite him to the White House
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last week to talk peace about Ukraine. Tiny little Finland was there, but not Canada.
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Now, I don't know who blackballed Mark Carney. Maybe it was Zelensky, but probably not because
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Canada is such a big donor. Was it the Europeans? Or maybe it was Trump himself. I don't know.
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All I know was that no one invited Canada and frankly, no one seemed to miss Canada's presence.
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But boy, is Carney bad at all of this, isn't he? And Carney's closest ally, the conservative
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in name only Doug Ford, the alleged conservative Premier of Ontario. He has no role in foreign affairs.
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He's never missed an opportunity to just be rude and stupid towards Trump.
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What's the general impression of Trump in Canada?
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He's probably the most disliked politician in the world in Canada because he's attacked
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his closest family member. And that's the way we look upon it. And when I talk to the governors
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and senators and Congress people, even Republicans totally disagree, but they're too scared to come
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out and say anything because the president will go after him outside of a few senators.
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And I want to thank them for coming out and standing with not just American people, but their
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closest friends and allies, which is Canada. And again, we love the Americans. It's unfortunate
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You know, if that kind of thing would actually work, I'd get it. But have you ever heard of
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Trump responding positively to someone insulting him? I mean, have you ever? And just this week,
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Doug Ford said he's not going to stop with his insults.
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I'll never stop, you know, poking Donald Trump, but we're going to focus on what we can do so
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that no matter who the next president is or whatever the next crisis, we're able to protect our
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workers, the services the public relies on and our communities, not just from President Trump,
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but from anything that comes our way for decades to come.
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Yeah, well, I guess I guess we saw the fruits of this strategy. Here's Mark Carney a few hours ago in
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that plodding, monotonous, bureaucratic tone of voice, completely surrendering to Trump, just
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abjectly just removing all the tariffs he had placed on America and just accepting whatever Trump wants
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to do, he's fine with. Let's be absolutely clear.
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Canada currently has the best trade deal with the United States. And while it's different
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from what we had before, it is still better than that of any other country.
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So as we work to address outstanding trade issues with the United States, it's important,
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it's vital. We do everything we can to preserve this unique advantage for Canadian workers, Canadian
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businesses. And doing so will require both building on a soon to be revised CUSMA, our free trade
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agreement with the US and Mexico, as well as developing a new form of trade and security
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In this context, and consistent with Canada's commitment to CUSMA, I'm announcing today that
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the Canadian government will now match, we will now match the United States by removing
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all of Canada's tariffs on US goods specifically covered under CUSMA for decades. As a result
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of a series of trade agreements, starting with the free trade agreement of the 1980s, the Canadian
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and the US economies have become steadily more integrated, continually more deeply connected.
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As I've emphasized in recent months, that steady process of integration is now over.
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And as a result, some of our historic strengths have become vulnerabilities. We can and must
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adapt to this new reality. That means concentrating on trade investment and security partnerships
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that preserve our sovereignty. And it means striking new trade deals that are robust to different
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economic circumstances, different governments, because of the mutual benefits to both countries.
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In all these ways, Canada will move from reliance to resilience, building our strength at home,
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developing new markets abroad, creating new opportunities for Canadian workers and businesses
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At pretty much every stop during the election, you referenced elbows up and saying that was going
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to be the strategy you take with the Americans. You also consistently said that Donald Trump
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was trying to break us so he could own us. Your new argument today is that Canadians should
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accept basically the best of a bad deal. What's been the change in the-
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I reject the premise of that question, or your characterization
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of what I'm saying. We have the best deal with the United States right now. Okay? We have the
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best deal. Look at the numbers. Our tariff is 5.5%. We have 85% of our goods are free trade.
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It's not what we used to have. Nobody has a deal with the United States that they used to
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have. Nobody does. They have fundamentally changed. It's their right. We respect it. They have fundamentally
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changed their trade policy. They have new objectives. And they haven't just talked about those objectives.
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They've put in place tariffs, and they have signed a series of trade deals, including with the European
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Union, including with others, that have put those into effect. Okay? So we're in a position
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where we have held out, not signed a deal that we don't agree with or that we don't think is in the best
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interests of Canadians. And focused on, and we will remain focused on, those strategic sectors.
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To the best interests of Canada first. Of course, America will focus on the best interests of the U.S.
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But we do so from a position where we're respecting with this decision, we're respecting our agreement
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with the United States, and we are matching what they have done. That puts us in a good position for
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these, for the next phase. It was sort of pitiful. It was sort of sad. He just sort of gave everything
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away. And then he said, hey, guys, it's okay, because we still have the best deal in the world.
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And I did a really good job. And I'm a really good boy. You know, I don't think I've ever seen a worse
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negotiator in my entire life. So much weirdness. I mean, I don't get it. Just yesterday, Anita Anand,
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Carney's pro-Hamas foreign minister, managed to get a very brief meeting with Marco Rubio,
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the Secretary of State. And this is after the U.S. really wouldn't meet with Canadians.
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But reportedly, Anand cut the meeting short and came home early for other matters. What?
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What is more important? I don't know, another memo about Palestine or something? It's so weird,
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so weak, so unprofessional. And mainly what a total failure of his campaign promises.
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What's supposed to happen now? But what's so interesting to me is how the Liberal Party and
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their media allies, they were totally in support of this disastrous strategy of trying to out-bully
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Trump, out-insult Trump. They screamed to Danielle Smith, the Premier of Alberta, who actually went down
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to Washington, D.C. to make the case for Alberta in good faith, one person at a time. She didn't use
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insults or threats. The entire media party called her a traitor. They used those words. Here's that
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crackpot of the CBC and the Global Mail, the once sane Andrew Coyne, responding to someone calling
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Danielle Smith a traitor. When Washington talks to the British, it's leadership. When Benedict Arnold
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talks to them, it's treason. Maybe it matters what you say to them. He's saying that by trying to
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negotiate with Trump, Danielle Smith was a traitorous, a traitor like Benedict Arnold.
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Yeah, it's tough to take the media party seriously anymore, though. They'll immediately rebrand
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Carney's abject surrender as brave leadership. No more talk about treason for dealing with Trump,
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just like they immediately accepted Mark Carney setting the carbon tax to zero. Just immediately,
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20 years of banging the drum for climate change was ended because their hero, Mark Carney, was against
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the carbon tax for now. They really never believed in it all along. It was just a game, a trick to trip
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up the conservatives. And that's just not useful now, so they've all stopped caring. But Mark Carney
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didn't just surrender back to zero with Trump. Today, Trump unveiled new tariffs on Canada, and
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Carney's fine with that. Tariffs include steel and aluminum. I mean, remember, Carney famously said,
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who needs steel anyways? Well, a lot of people do. Here's Saskatchewan's Premier Scott Moe. He said,
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the U.S. has expanded its steel and aluminum tariffs to manufactured products that include Canadian
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steel and aluminum. This is a major blow to Saskatchewan ag equipment makers who employ thousands
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of people in our province. Our Minister of Trade Warren Ketting has written to the federal government to ask
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what they are doing to have these tariffs removed and what they're doing to support these businesses
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and workers while the tariffs are in place. Yeah. The thing is though, Saskatchewan, it has just one
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single liberal MP. They don't care about Saskatchewan and Ottawa. I mean, my proof to you is they haven't
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lifted a finger. They haven't even verbally said anything about China's 100% tariffs on Saskatchewan
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canola crops. Hey, real question. Can you name a single thing that Mark Carney has achieved as
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Prime Minister? He's been Prime Minister for 161 days today. It's almost half a year. What has he done?
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Parliament has sat for a grand total of just 22 days during that time. Mark Carney would do
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disastrously in question period. So I say again, what has he done? He hasn't even brought in a budget so much
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for this smart banker. He has no deal with the US. Immigration is skyrocketing. Crime is skyrocketing.
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Taxes are skyrocketing. Oh, they did get another thank you letter from Hamas. So that's what he's
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achieved. Total failure. I thought this guy was supposed to be an improvement over Justin Trudeau.
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You know, I've been working on a monologue and I don't know how quite to do it because something
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has changed. I'm 53 years old and for my entire life, the right, the North American right, the
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Anglospheric right, has been phylo-semitic, the opposite of anti-semitic. I grew up in rural
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Alberta. I went to a country school. My sister and I were the only Jews in a school of 400. You would
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think, oh, that's stereotypical racist country. The opposite. People, if anything, were super friendly
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and curious. My entire life, I felt comfortable in conservative parties knowing that anti-semitism
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was a leftist mind virus. It was based on, you know, jealousy or blaming others, not taking
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responsibility. There were so many things about anti-semitism that made it the perfect ideology
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of the left. Not the least of which was the Soviet Union weaponizing it against Israel in part of the
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proxy war between the USSR and America. But in the last year, I have seen people I've looked up to on
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the North American right become bitterly anti-Israel and in some cases even anti-semitic. And I find it
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very discombobulating because this is not the conservative movement I've seen and known. And I
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have to say with some sorrow that even some of my personal heroes have been washed over by this.
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And I'm thinking in particular of Tucker Carlson. I'm not going to pretend we were close, but he had
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me on his show on Fox News a few times. I really looked up to him as an independent journalist,
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and he was very kind to us at Rebel News. I don't know what's happened, but here's one mashup
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of how Tucker has completely changed his mind on some of these core issues. Take a look at one of them,
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Sharia law. I saw on the internet just the other day. Take a peek.
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So a lot of Americans are concerned about Sharia law.
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And they're concerned about polls that show a strikingly large number of Muslims would like
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to see it supplant civil law in the countries in which they live.
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Sharia law is bad, Seth. I don't know if you've heard that. It's bad. It's worse than what's happening
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I don't know of a single Gulf country where it's illegal to proselytize on behalf of another religion.
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I think that in every Muslim-majority country in the world, non-Muslims are treated, have fewer rights.
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And you can tell when you go to a place like Abu Dhabi or Riyadh, like, oh man,
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I hope we don't ever wind up with a society like this with a rape rate of zero where you leave your
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keys in your Lamborghini and don't ever worry about it being stolen.
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So you often hear people say, well, Sharia is intolerant. Women are treated badly. Gays are treated
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badly. Women have, in the Quran, fewer rights than men do.
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I'm not Muslim. I'm not for Sharia law. On the other hand, compared to what? Compared to Baltimore?
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In England, it's four out of 10 British Muslims. In France, 29% of French Muslims would like to see
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it replace French law. You know, if people want to get wasted, they do it at home. You know what I
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mean? Yeah. Oh boy, I hope we don't wind up with that. But I've seen a bunch of polls like this that
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show that the attitudes of faithful Muslims are not Western at all and that they include a tolerance of
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violence you don't find among, say, Presbyterians or Jews. You know, shut up. Sharia law. Meanwhile,
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a California Imam is apologizing after he referred to Jews as filth. Oh Allah, liberate the Al-Aqsa
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mosque from the filth of the Jews. Oh Allah, count them one by one and annihilate them down to the very
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last one. Do not spare any of them. Sorry, Sharia law. I don't understand it. I don't understand why
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Tucker has suddenly gone anti-Western. He's been platforming extreme alternative historians who say
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that Churchill was actually the enemy in World War II and Hitler. Well, perhaps we should have been on
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his side. I don't get it. There's Tucker. There's I mean, Candace Owens goes even further in an
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interview with my friend Steve Edgington that she later demanded be taken down. She said that America
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should not have even joined the Second World War, even though Steve Edgington pointed out Japan
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attacked Pearl Harbor. Here's that clip that Candace Owens demanded be taken down. I managed to save a copy.
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Take a look. Do you think that America shouldn't have gone into that Second World War? Yeah. And
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that is a radical statement. People don't know how to deal with that because we've all been so
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brainwashed by the school system to believe that. Well, look how great things are. Let me ask you
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about your country. Do you think that your country has become greater since? Has our country become
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greater since? Absolutely not. You know, this whole idea of international liberalism. Now it's not just about
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your problems. It's about solving the world's problems. Let's make sure that in Pakistan there's a trans flag
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waving. No, I actually if Pakistan does not want to wave a trans flag, I don't even want to wave a
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trans flag. But why is this my business? And they're constantly trying to pollute you to make
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you think that it is your business. No, I actually am comfortable if that's going to be the newest
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smear that I have to wear, that we're isolationist. Good. Good. I want to be concerned with just
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America's problems. As soon as those get resolved, I'm happy to pick up our head and say, oh, well, you know
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what? There are our friends over there in the UK. Let's see. Let's see how they're doing. If we can
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help them. But America first. But if Japan did attack Pearl Harbor, so presumably you would have
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reacted to that. Yeah. I mean, yes. Okay. I think, of course, if you're ever talking about a threat in
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terms of your nation being attacked, you should always have an equal response. But at the moment,
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a response was just, right? Does the response necessarily dictate a world war? These are
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questions that should be relegated, I think, to an academic discussion. These would be interesting
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academic discussions. I'd love to get up a bunch of people and to play out those scenarios. What
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if we had just responded to Japan and dealt with a threat? You know, I haven't had the time to sit
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down and think about it. And I definitely don't want to do that on the fly and get that wrong. But it
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would be a very interesting discussion to think about other options in terms of responding to things.
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You know, the war was essentially over. Japan was already negotiating their surrender.
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They had been literally on the defense for two years. There was no reason that we needed to drop
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that bomb on a Catholic church, no less, in Nagasaki, in order to end the war. That's garbage that you're
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being taught in your school system. Well, what's going on? Part of it, I think, is, I don't know,
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the pendulum swinging back and people liking to transgress a taboo. And you can attack Israel or the
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Jews in that particular instance. And you're not going to be, I don't know, car bombed as compared
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to if you say criticize Mohammed and draw a cartoon of him. You could get slaughtered like in Paris,
00:27:13.100
France about a decade ago. I think some of it is money. Qatar has pumped billions of dollars into
00:27:20.380
influence industries in the United States. I was shocked when I saw that Qatar paid $200,000 to get
00:27:27.340
their political leader on Tucker Carlson's show. That really seems like a tit for tat.
00:27:32.700
But I've seen some other theories. And one of them that I saw online the other day was very persuasive
00:27:37.340
to me. It was by Will Chamberlain who said, maybe this whole growth in these strange and alternative
00:27:45.180
viewpoints of Candace Owens going, spending hours and hours talking about the sexual details of
00:27:51.980
the first lady of France. Maybe it's because things are going too well in America and people are tired
00:27:59.900
of winning and there's not enough to talk about since Trump is taking care of it. I thought it was
00:28:04.220
a great thesis. And I'm delighted to say that Will Chamberlain has come on the show to talk more
00:28:09.580
about it, to help explain this phenomenon on the online right. Will joins us now from Washington where he
00:28:14.460
is with the article three project, which helps vet judges and the Edmund Burke foundation, a conservative
00:28:21.580
organization. Will great to see you. I don't want to blur things like, you know, going after obscure
00:28:27.340
alternative histories, isn't necessarily anti-semitic and I'm not calling everybody anti-semitic, but there
00:28:32.220
is some of that, but there's certainly something going on on the right where it's, it feels radical.
00:28:37.660
It feels stupid and it feels unconservative. What on earth is going on?
00:28:44.140
So, so I think there's a few dynamics at play. Uh, the first is things are really, as I said,
00:28:48.620
things are going very well for the Trump administration right now. It's extremely effective.
00:28:52.540
Uh, they managed to reduce border crossings to zero. ICE has 20 times the funding now that it had,
00:28:59.580
uh, under the Biden administration. Uh, we federalized the district of Columbia and are shutting down
00:29:04.940
what used to be one of the most crime infested cities in the country and making it safe again.
00:29:09.260
I mean, and that's just one of many options. There's, there's been peace agreements all over
00:29:13.180
the world, a peace agreement. If you're at all familiar with the history of Armenia and Azerbaijan,
00:29:17.900
the fact that we have negotiated a peace deal there is one of the premier diplomatic accomplishments
00:29:23.340
of the entire century. And that's something, you know, that's one of six peace deals Trump has
00:29:27.980
negotiated in the first seven months of being president. So things are going really well. They're
00:29:32.780
going really well for the hard American, right? The American right that wants to see immigration
00:29:37.020
restricted dramatically, the border secured, um, the, the populist, right. And as a result,
00:29:43.180
I think many of our normal voters are kind of going about their day to day, just focusing on their lives
00:29:48.060
there because they don't have to worry about politics in the same way they did under Biden.
00:29:52.620
And as a result, if you're a content creator in the space, getting views is hard. It's hard because
00:29:57.820
our people are focused on other things. I think that's, that's really part of it. I'm,
00:30:03.180
I'm here in Canada, as you know, Will, and we've got an awful lot of problems up here. Things are
00:30:07.340
getting worse all the time. I just saw that refugee claims in the first half of 2025 were larger than
00:30:14.300
in all of 2024. So things are getting worse faster. In the United Kingdom, the migrant crisis is spilling
00:30:21.820
into the streets. There is so much to talk about. Everyone can see the problem, but you're so right.
00:30:26.940
I see today that Donald Trump is now making a list of all 55 million visa holders. And he's checking
00:30:32.620
if there's any of those he can kick out 1.5 million already deported transgender extremism on the back
00:30:38.860
foot. Like it's win after win. And maybe it is tough to find something to talk about. I mean, and I
00:30:44.380
have no idea if, if Emmanuel Macron's wife is a he or a she, and maybe that is the scoop of the
00:30:51.340
centuries. Candace Owens says, but maybe that's what you talk about when all of the make America
00:30:56.780
greater grand promises are actually getting done. Trump maybe did too much in his first hundred days.
00:31:02.700
Yeah. So, you know, and it's something I can think about, like maybe you, you're closer experience
00:31:06.620
with Canadian commentators, but I follow a few and I follow a number of British commentators and they're
00:31:10.700
very focused on the problems of their country, right? British commentators are very focused on
00:31:16.140
the refugee crisis, violence from, uh, you know, asylum seekers, uh, the, the social media censorship
00:31:23.020
that's going on in their country. You know, the, the, a lot of cases, Canada has, as you say,
00:31:27.420
a lot of problems. I'm sure Canadian commentators are focused on how terrible their administration is.
00:31:31.660
And yet here I just see kind of it's weirdness and, and there's other dynamics too, which is,
00:31:37.580
you know, I think there's a cognitive dissonance that results when you make predictions. You know,
00:31:42.220
a lot of these commentators decided to make their big stand against Trump and the administration
00:31:47.420
on the Iran strikes and made a whole slew of predictions about the Iran strikes leading to
00:31:51.740
World War III being a terrible mistake, et cetera. Um, because it was, and it was the one case where
00:31:57.260
Trump seemingly went against the broader philosophy of America first and non-intervention. But I think
00:32:03.100
he picked his spot very well. And it, and it's kind of obvious because that war ended in 48 hours
00:32:07.820
and was brought to a close probably much faster than it would have been absent American intervention.
00:32:13.100
And so it's hard to kind of do a mea culpa and be like, well, I guess I was wrong. For instance,
00:32:17.740
maybe Trump knew more than I did on this specific question. And so you get, you get things channeling
00:32:22.700
off into different ways, uh, and, and people getting angrier about things that are not relevant to the
00:32:29.180
average American's daily life. Yeah. I mean, it was almost like commentators on, I don't,
00:32:34.460
I'm not going to use the word the alt right. Cause I don't think that's really what they are,
00:32:37.660
but there's something cooking on the right. I, you know, James Lindsay calls it the woke,
00:32:41.740
right? I I'm not sure if that's what it is, but boy, they were, it was almost like they were lusting
00:32:46.700
for things to go wrong in Iran. I don't even, I don't even know if I would say America went to war.
00:32:51.820
I mean, I think it was half a dozen planes dropped a dozen specialty bombs. And that was sort of it.
00:32:59.660
It was over as soon as it began. I don't even think that classifies as a war. The whole thing,
00:33:05.580
you know, it was a war with Israel. It, I really felt like there was parts of the online right who
00:33:13.340
wanted Trump to fail to, to sort of show him. That's what happens when you go to war against
00:33:18.780
Iran, which we have decided we like now because it's a counterweight to Israel. I mean, I thought
00:33:26.060
Trump's in, I thought, I thought Tucker's interview with Vladimir Putin was useful,
00:33:30.460
even if it wasn't that elucidating. But I think since then he's, he's really gone on a crazy bender
00:33:37.420
of talking to wackos and extremists, which I think could be great TV, but he doesn't press them.
00:33:43.100
I think you could have the head of Qatar or a Palestinian nun on your show and ask great
00:33:50.460
questions, get a lot of clicks. What surprises me is that Tucker turns into a gentle lamb when
00:33:56.700
he's talking to America's enemies, but he goes ferocious against someone like Ted Cruz.
00:34:00.940
So I mixed a whole bunch of issues there, but I find it confusing and I'm really trying to find
00:34:06.140
my way through it. Yeah. I mean, first I'll talk about James Lindsay first. So James Lindsay
00:34:11.900
is woke, right? Nomenclature, I think is totally useless. He'd characterize me as woke, right?
00:34:16.060
He characterized my organization as woke, right? It's such, it's an umbrella term that he's using
00:34:20.300
as a classical liberal to, to essentially indict anybody to the right of him. It's really obnoxious,
00:34:25.820
and not enlightening in any way. Like if I'm woke, right? And Tucker Carlson is woke,
00:34:29.580
right. Then what, what even is the term describing? Uh, so I think that a good way to,
00:34:35.500
it's sort of classified as like the anti-Zionist, right? I think that's actually a useful way to
00:34:39.900
understand what's going on. And part of the, again, it's a cognitive dissonance issue. There's
00:34:44.460
this long running thesis on the sort of anti-Zionist fringe, right? That, you know, is really
00:34:50.300
hostile to Israel, that Israel is subverting American policy in its own interests. And therefore that many
00:34:57.180
of the harms that are going on domestically in the United States are sort of a function of the bad
00:35:01.740
behavior of Jews or Israel. That's like the overarching thesis. And the problem is the Trump
00:35:06.300
administration is aggressively disproving that because while it is simultaneously a very pro-Zionist
00:35:12.140
administration, it is also very aggressively solving the problems that have been plaguing the country for
00:35:18.140
a long time and that the hard populist right has identified for quite some time. So it's showing that
00:35:23.020
there's no real connection there and that the underlying thesis of the anti-Zionist right has
00:35:26.540
been wrong. Um, that has been basically disproven. And it's the same problem with the Iran strikes.
00:35:31.580
What happens when you have a thesis you believed in a long time that is disproven by events? You can
00:35:36.620
either sort of embrace it and just shift mentally, or you can kind of go into cognitive dissonance and
00:35:42.300
start kind of going off in wild directions. Yeah. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist and, and I don't
00:35:49.420
like the accusations you're in the pocket of a foreign power. But I remember when Tenet media,
00:35:55.740
T-E-N-E-T was discovered to have taken millions of dollars from a Russian front. And it rang true
00:36:02.060
to me because I, I, I sort of know the people who were involved with it, one degree of separation or
00:36:06.780
whatever. And I remember Lauren Chen, who's actually a Canadian, she was sort of the boss of this
00:36:12.460
operation. And I always respected her. I thought she was a very thoughtful, interesting, uh, conservative.
00:36:17.900
She's part of Asian or something. So it gave her a different perspective. And I remember
00:36:23.740
she started tweeting anti-Trump stuff sort of from the right. I hate Trump. He's not good enough
00:36:30.220
on abortion. I hate Trump. He's not, uh, her tweets are still up. You can find them. And I thought,
00:36:35.260
that's weird. That doesn't seem authentic. I know Lauren well enough to just, where did that come from?
00:36:41.500
And I see that same attack Trump from the right, cause dissonance, try and fracture
00:36:48.060
the MAGA base. And I, I see it from people who wouldn't have said that, hadn't said it before.
00:36:53.660
And then when it came out that she was taking big money from Russia, I thought
00:36:58.300
that is the only way this makes sense for Lauren Chen to have said those things. Because I know she
00:37:03.180
didn't actually believe them. And I think we have to be grown up and realize that Qatar and others,
00:37:09.020
they are getting seriously into the influencer business. That's not even a theory. I mean,
00:37:15.660
a lot of what they do, they register and disclose. A lot of what they do is
00:37:20.140
not really disclose a bull. They pump more money into American universities than any other country.
00:37:26.700
I think some of what we're seeing out there is agitprop.
00:37:31.980
Yeah, I think that's right. And I think it's, you know, the, you have the occasional Lauren Chen who
00:37:36.540
was just directly and knowingly taking Russian money, uh, according to the allegations from,
00:37:41.020
you know, the indictments against her. But then I think there's another dynamic too, which is,
00:37:45.900
I think there's, there's a lot of foreign bot farms that are not intentionally being used by the
00:37:50.300
influencers themselves, but are used to encourage influencers to adopt narratives that are favorable to
00:37:56.540
those running the bot farms. I think that's a long running dynamic because, you know, one, again,
00:38:01.580
the problem of any content creator is you want to create content that gets engagement, that gets
00:38:06.060
liked, that, you know, gets spread, goes viral. Um, if you hire a bot farm, if you're an outsider and
00:38:12.860
you hire a bot farm and you have them like all the content that a content creator makes that is more
00:38:16.700
aligned with your worldview, you can sort of subtly shift how they feel and, and shift what they're more
00:38:21.900
likely to be interested in because they believe that it's their audience that's interested in it.
00:38:26.220
Um, and that they're getting authentic. And so I think to me, that's the most obvious
00:38:30.060
explanation for what's happened with Candace Owens. I mean, I think she's a victim of audience
00:38:33.420
captured by, you know, essentially either, either bot farms or just a very highly motivated groups
00:38:40.220
that have tried to drag her further and further into the swamp of absurdity.
00:38:45.340
I mean, I think her case is particularly sad. I don't know if you saw the, the series of tweets
00:38:52.060
published by her father-in-law who was actually the vice chair of a Jewish Christian, you know,
00:38:58.540
allies group in the UK. Like he's, he's, he's Gentile himself. He was so heartbroken. He took to
00:39:03.900
Twitter saying, I don't share my daughter-in-law's views. I can't imagine a more painful letter to write.
00:39:09.100
It made me sad, but here's another thing. Like there's a lot of comedians who are getting on this
00:39:13.660
and conservative comedians. I think there's a, there's a renaissance in conservative comedians.
00:39:18.860
And I think there's a couple of things that first of all, there was censorship. And unfortunately,
00:39:23.900
some of the faces of censorship on social media were Jewish. I think of the so-called anti-defamation
00:39:30.700
league that was run by an Obama staffer. And he was so partisan and so punitive. And his job
00:39:37.740
description was, I'm going to censor things I don't like on the internet. And he was so clearly
00:39:41.820
Jew-y that I think that him sort of doing it in the name of Jews created more anti-Semitism than
00:39:49.980
anything else. And there are certain people online who are so officially Jewish. I think of Rabbi Shmuley,
00:39:55.740
who has such bad judgment sometimes. I think the head of the ADL, Jonathan Rosenblatt, I think is his
00:40:01.020
name and Rabbi Shmuley and a few online official self-appointed spokesmen for the Jews. I think,
00:40:09.820
I think if you're an online right-wing comedian who, who feels free to speak now because Elon Musk
00:40:16.940
has freed the social media and Trump has freed the social media, you think, well, I'm going to say
00:40:21.980
exactly what the ADL says. I can't, I'm going to prove that I can transgress what was once a taboo
00:40:28.220
and try and stop me. I don't know. I think part of it is a backlash
00:40:31.980
to the Jewish face of censorship over the last decade. Maybe I'm too self-conscious,
00:40:36.780
but I hate it when I see someone in a censorship position who's Jewish. I wish they were anything
00:40:41.980
else. Yeah. I think you, you've identified a big issue, which is, I mean, first off,
00:40:48.300
the ADL has been a really obnoxious organization in terms of the way it's been handling the right.
00:40:52.220
It's pur, you know, purported, held itself out there as a Jewish organization. And it's really
00:40:56.380
just a progressive, hard progressive left-wing organization. And as a result, and it's, it's
00:41:01.340
just, I mean, it's been useless. I think the guy who runs that organization should resign and really
00:41:05.100
all the donors should stop donating to it. It's not, whatever its original purpose was, it's not
00:41:09.980
serving it now. And certainly I think, I mean, Rabbi Shmuley and people, you know, of his ilk are, are
00:41:16.220
not certainly not helping the cause of Jewish people around the world. They're certainly not helping their
00:41:20.940
image and you, and you sort of have a, you know, it's, there's a adverse selection problems. Like
00:41:26.620
the people most likely to seek the limelight on behalf of the entire Jewish people in this respect
00:41:31.100
are usually the least suited to it. I remember growing up, sometimes my grandmother would say
00:41:35.420
if there was a terrible crime committed, it was, you know, there was sort of a reflex. I hope he's not
00:41:40.620
Jewish as in, you know, I hope this terrible public disgrace that we're about to learn the identity of,
00:41:47.580
I hope it's not someone from the Jewish community because it'll read down to all of our discredit.
00:41:52.220
And I think that's what's happened. And I'm not going to talk about Vladimir Zelensky,
00:41:55.820
but having a Jewish guy who looks sort of Jewish, and we heard so much about how he's Jewish,
00:42:01.820
be the face for, hey America, give me a hundred billion dollars worth of foreign aid.
00:42:07.420
I think that sort of, sort of blended with Israel's three billion dollars a year of aid.
00:42:13.500
I just think that all these things, it was a perfect storm and it was weaponized by
00:42:18.780
domestic and foreign enemies of Israel. And I don't know, I just feel we're,
00:42:23.900
there hasn't been this much anti-Semitism in the world since 1945. I, and I, and I'm worried that
00:42:29.900
it's seeping into mainstream conservative politics, especially amongst young people. I don't know.
00:42:34.620
Uh, what, what are your thoughts on that? It's a huge subject and, but, but, but I,
00:42:38.940
I wonder if you've done some thinking about it. It's worrying, but I think, I, I guess I'm more
00:42:44.860
optimistic about this. I think, I mean, the cause of Israel to me strikes me as fundamentally a
00:42:48.700
right-wing cause and one that is very much aligned with the interests of the American right, because
00:42:53.020
Israel is a country that's simply saying we're a policy. We're going to say who's going to be an
00:42:57.900
Israeli and who's not, and we're not going to commit national suicide because the global left
00:43:03.340
finds our, our arrangements unfair or wrong. We don't care. And that's exactly what we're
00:43:08.940
trying to do here on the American right. Like we're saying we have the right to determine who's,
00:43:13.020
who's in our countries and who's not that the people who come to our country are going to be
00:43:16.620
loyal to us and not try and undermine our polity. Uh, that's the entire point of our immigration policy.
00:43:21.580
And I think, you know, and, and what I'd say to, you know, any sort of young right-wing person is that
00:43:27.340
if you go after Israel on the grounds that everybody's trying to go after it with these
00:43:30.860
frivolous claims of genocide or these arguments that how dare they try and make sure that they
00:43:36.380
don't let themselves be destroyed, uh, demographically, then you're undermining your own case in the
00:43:43.260
West too. Like you're, you're undermining the case to restrict immigration in the first instance in
00:43:47.100
the West. And I think we all need to, you know, take a step back and realize that the ultimate
00:43:51.500
goal here is to reverse, preserve civilization against barbarism and Israel's on the side of
00:43:56.300
civilization. You know, some people say they're against Zionism. To me, Zionism is basically
00:44:01.980
ethnic nationalism for Jews in the Holy land where they were indigenous. Maybe you could tweak the
00:44:07.260
wording there a little bit, but it's basically Jewish nationalism in a geography that is linked
00:44:12.380
to the people historically. I mean, tweak those words, but if you're against that, but you're,
00:44:17.100
but you support other nationalisms, that's, that's a contradiction that I think is tough to reconcile.
00:44:24.060
There's probably about 50 countries in the world whose constitutions have embedded within it
00:44:29.100
a race or a religion. I mean, about two dozen Muslim countries, Islam is right there in their
00:44:34.460
constitution. Even the British constitution, uh, um, the king is the head of the Church of England.
00:44:40.060
There are many countries where Christianity is hardwired in the constitution. So I think, and,
00:44:45.660
and there's even a, a fringe movement in Christianity to say being Zionist is anti-Christian
00:44:52.700
and un-Christian, which seems to me to forget the whole purpose of the Crusades, which was to take
00:44:57.900
back the Holy land from Islamic interlopers. I don't know. I just feel like a lot of the arguments
00:45:04.700
against Zionism are in against Israel. They feel like there's this prefab bundle of talking points
00:45:12.300
out there that doesn't pass scrutiny. I don't know. I suppose I'm letting it all out here.
00:45:17.420
Well, I'm complaining to you because I myself regard myself as a nationalist Canadian who supports
00:45:23.180
national identities from Ireland to Greece to wherever. And frankly, if I look at the American
00:45:28.940
administration, probably the, the second most important person in restoring the American nation,
00:45:35.340
other than Trump himself is a Jew named Stephen Miller, who I think has been essential to retaking
00:45:42.540
America for Americans. I don't know. It just sort of breaks my heart because I loved the America and
00:45:47.660
the Canada of the last 50 years, which, which eschewed antisemitism as, uh, a socially unacceptable
00:45:56.940
bigotry. And I feel like it's sort of coming back in last word to you. Well, I think I've been
00:46:01.420
thinking out loud here, you know, trying to figure out my ideas. It hasn't so much been an interview
00:46:06.860
as a therapy session for me, but why don't you, why don't you wrap up with some thoughtful thoughts?
00:46:12.620
Yeah. I find anti-Zionism kind of bizarre as though it's like acceptable. What other countries do you
00:46:17.340
think should not exist or should have radical governmental and demographic changes in order to completely,
00:46:22.620
you know, take away their character? Like, especially Irish anti-Zionists. Like I'm like,
00:46:26.780
fine, maybe, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm for a one state solution in the British Isles. You guys can
00:46:31.260
lose your sovereignty of the United Kingdom again. Wait, is that offensive to you? No kidding. What?
00:46:36.620
Well, maybe I'm anti-Pakistani. I think the creation of the Pakistani state was a huge
00:46:40.940
geopolitical mistake and the Indians should Hindu, there should be Hindu superiority, you know, Hindu
00:46:46.140
front, you know, Hindu from the Indian ocean to the, the, the Hindu Kush mountains or something like
00:46:51.100
that. Right. I mean, we can, we can come up with any number of examples that would be obviously
00:46:54.780
offensive to existing sovereign states and their peoples. Uh, and yet there's exactly one that
00:46:59.660
it's acceptable to say, oh, well they, they're behaving badly. Therefore their entire state
00:47:03.580
is illegitimate. I'm sorry. What? Like, you know, Germany still exists. Do you think Germany should
00:47:08.860
cease to exist because of world war II? Yeah. I find it tough. These are tough times. I mean,
00:47:15.180
to me, it would be like someone saying, I really like Italians. I just don't think Italy is right. I,
00:47:20.540
I love the French people. No problem with French people. It's just France. I hate,
00:47:23.740
I just don't think those things make sense. Listen, it's great to catch up with you. Thank
00:47:27.180
you for letting me be, uh, use you as a bit of a sounding board. I, I find it frustrating when
00:47:31.900
some of my heroes, and I really looked up to Tucker for so many years, maybe I was just a fan
00:47:36.300
boy in Canada who thought, wow, that guy's in the big leagues. But I think he really was a champion
00:47:40.860
of conservative ideas. And now I don't even know who I'm looking at. Um, and, and, and I,
00:47:47.020
I hope one day I understand it, but for now I don't, but you've helped clarify a few things,
00:47:50.780
Will, and it's great to see you. Great to be with you. There he is. Will Chamberlain.
00:47:55.820
He is online, which is where I follow most of the time. He's also
00:47:59.260
with the article three project and the Edmund Burke Foundation. Stay with us more ahead.
00:48:13.020
Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me. These are on the report from, uh, Infowars that the
00:48:20.220
United States is considering sanctions against British bureaucrats for censorship. Uh, Jerwin
00:48:27.100
Tiberius says should impose massive 100% tariffs for their misalignment with U.S. constitutional rights.
00:48:33.740
Any allies should also be aligned with U.S. policy and ideology. You know, we don't want America to
00:48:39.980
rule the world as an empire, but if U.S. companies like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, et cetera,
00:48:49.740
are being threatened by the Brits, then it's not meddling in British affairs. It's stopping the
00:48:54.780
Brits from meddling in American affairs. And that's the thing. I do not want decisions about my freedom
00:49:00.540
to be made in Washington, D.C. But if U.S. platforms that I use every day are censored in Canada,
00:49:07.820
then I'll take the U.S. help. I really do. Pitsky says issue a travel warning to the UK as well.
00:49:14.300
Hey, that's a good point. I mean, Canada issues these stupid warnings. Whenever there's something
00:49:19.580
in the U.S. about pro-life or anti-trans, the Canadian government issues some sort of warning.
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We're not going to Colorado anymore. We're not going to Florida anymore. It's just so political.
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But it is a real threat that if you go to the United Kingdom and tweet something the government
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doesn't like, you could actually be arrested. It really is a problem. I like the idea of a travel
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warning. Home Straight says someone was arrested for saying I like bacon in front of a mosque. No B.S.
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police are so hypersensitive. I like bacon is never a crime. It might be slightly rude if you're
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at a Muslim event, like at a Muslim dinner or something, and you say, I like bacon. But even
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then, it's not particularly rude. It's not aggressive. It's not hateful. You're just saying you like
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bacon. It might be sort of dumb or awkward to say, but it's never a crime, let alone outside giving a
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talk. Just craziness. That's the two-tier policing that Brits have come to experience. But there is a
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kind of uprising, and Brits are raising the flag, not just the British Union flag, but the English
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flag that crossed the St. George. I'll have more to talk about on that subject next week. But until then,
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on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.