EZRA LEVANT ｜ Elections Canada did a survey about conspiracy theories... aren't some true？
Summary
A survey by Elections Canada found that a third of Canadians believe world events are secretly manipulated by a small group of conspirators, says in-house research. And it's no surprise that 49% of certain demographics believe these theories.
Transcript
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Hello Rebels, today I take you through a survey, a government survey, cost you over 105 grand in
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taxpayers dollars. Weirdly it was done by Elections Canada, but it measured things including
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Canadians and their belief in various conspiracy theories. Now that's a weird thing for the
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government to ask about to begin with, but for Elections Canada I'm just boggled. But
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put aside that weirdness and just look at what the theories are that they tested with Canadians.
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And look that some parts of Canadians, 49% of certain demographics believe certain theories.
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And it's no surprise, I'll show you that some of the so-called conspiracy theories they talk about,
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I don't even know if you can call them theories anymore. I think they're sort of
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conspiracy facts. I'll take you through it, you can judge for yourself, that's up ahead.
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Tonight, Elections Canada did a survey about conspiracy theories. But don't we know that
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some of them are true? It's October 26th and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer. The only thing I have to say to the government
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about why I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
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Blacklock's Reporter is one of the best news sites out there in Canada. It's about 300 bucks a year for a subscription
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so it's not cheap. But I genuinely get more scoops from them, at least about the federal government,
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than from any other news source except for, of course, Rebel News. What I like best about Blacklock's
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is that they don't take any money from any government. So you know they're independent.
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They're one of the good guys, that's for sure. Anyways, look at this story from Blacklock's today.
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40% believe in conspiracies. More than a third of Canadians believe world events are secretly
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manipulated by a small group of conspirators, says in-house research by Elections Canada.
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Data show the number of conspiracy theorists range as high as 42% in one province.
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Yeah, I'm not sure if that's even a conspiracy theory anymore though. I mean the World Economic Forum in Davos,
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as in Switzerland, that's where this photo was taken a few years back, George Soros.
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Soros' former biographer, Christia Freeland. Bizarrely, she's still on the board of the World Economic
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Forum. Aren't they pretty much explicit that their aim is to manipulate the world?
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Isn't that sort of their mission statement? They don't use the word manipulate, it's true,
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but they use euphemisms. Advise, shape, influence. These are the folks who did that promo that
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you'll own nothing and you'll be happy. Those folks, and speaking of happiness, they're the
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folks who are now promoting unhappiness, telling you it's better than being happy and condemning
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happiness as toxic positivity. We talked about that on yesterday's show.
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So yeah, I'm surprised that only 40% believe in that conspiracy.
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Asked if they, let me read some more from Black Locks, asked if they agreed with the statement.
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Certain significant events have been the result of activity of a small group who secretly manipulate
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world events. 40% said it was probably true or definitely true. Canadians who rated the claim
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as truthful included 35% of respondents with university degrees and 49% of indigenous voters.
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I'm not alarmed by this. I think this sort of skepticism is important and needed these days
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more than ever. I wish we saw more skepticism in the professions who are paid to be skeptical,
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like media, like scientists. They're actually the most compliant, obedient people around.
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Aren't they supposed to be doubting everything? I mean, I've got two words for you. Jeffrey Epstein.
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Remember this? I've had the story for three years. I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts.
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We would not put it on the air. First of all, I was told, who's Jeffrey Epstein? No one knows who
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that is. This is a stupid story. Then the palace found out that we had her whole allegations about
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Prince Andrew and threatened us a million different ways. We were so afraid we wouldn't be able to
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interview Kate and Will. That also quashed the story. And then Alan Dershowitz was also implicated in it
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because of the planes. She told me everything. She had pictures. She had everything. She was in
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hiding for 12 years. We convinced her to come out. We convinced her to talk to us. It was unbelievable
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what we had Clinton. We had everything. I tried for three years to get it on to no avail. And now it's
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all coming out. And it's like these new revelations. And I freaking had all of it. I'm so pissed right
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now. Like every day I get more and more pissed because I'm just like, oh my God, we, it was what we
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had. It was unreal. Other women backing it up. Hey, yep. Brad Edwards, the attorney three years
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ago saying like, like we, there will come a day where we will realize Jeffrey Epstein was
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the most prolific pedophile this country has ever known. I had it all three years ago.
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Yeah. And now he's dead. Gee, that's too bad. Um, which is a point that his longtime friend,
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Bill Gates keeps mentioning when he's asked, well, he's dead. Have you seen this?
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Is there a lesson for you, for anyone else looking, looking at this?
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Well, he's dead. So, uh, you know, in general, you always have to be careful.
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Uh, yeah, only 35% of university grads believe in elite manipulation. So here's the report that
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Blacklocks is referring to. As you can see, it's published by Elections Canada. It's a 45 page
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survey cost 105 grand in taxpayers dollars paid for through Elections Canada. And they got the
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results right before the election in August. I'm not sure why Elections Canada is doing surveys like
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this. I suppose it's better than their usual hobby, prosecuting me for writing books, criticizing
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Trudeau. Remember that? Well, we don't have a book. You don't have a book? You don't have a book?
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That thing's a best-selling. I went to number two on allisone.ca. Do you want a copy of the book?
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No, thanks. Anyways, Elections Canada says the purpose of this poll is, quote,
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The project aims, among other things, to improve understanding of Canadian electors' opinions
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on emerging issues that pertain to the administration of elections, trust in electoral
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administration and other national institutions, sources of information about elections and the
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electoral process. All right, fair enough, I suppose. Here are some of the results.
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Confidence in Elections Canada is high. More than three-quarters of respondents have confidence
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in the institution, including 27% who have a great deal of confidence. Trust in Elections Canada is
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higher than confidence in the police, the media, and other levels of government.
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Yeah, saying you're better trusted than the media is sort of like saying you're the tallest short guy,
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don't you think? Here's another one. And I think this shows why this poll was really done.
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The spread of false information online is seen as one of the factors that can have the most
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impact on the upcoming election. More than three-quarters of respondents, 78%, think so.
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Smaller majorities express concern about the influence of a foreign country through social
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media and other means, 61%, as well as the hacking of voting systems via foreign country, 55%.
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Sure, people say fake news is influencing the election. But think about that. I mean,
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almost everyone says that. So if you say fake news is influencing the election,
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you're pretty much saying, not me, of course. I know the truth. It's what my neighbor believes is
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fake. But your neighbor says the same thing. He thinks what he believes is true when you fall for
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fake news. No one ever says, I believe the fake news. Fake news is just an insult to undermine your
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opponent's point of view. How could it be that most people think there's fake news out there, but they
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never point the finger at themselves? And I put it to you, that's the purpose of this poll. That's the real
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reason, $100,000 of your tax money was spent on it, to provide more evidence to call for censorship
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of the internet and to call for the regulation of channels like ours. That's why they're asking
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about conspiracy theories that are in fact not theories at all, but admitted confessed facts.
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The World Economic Forum does exist. Justin Trudeau himself talked about the Great Reset. Remember this clip?
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Building back better means getting support to the most vulnerable while maintaining our momentum on
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reaching the 2030 agenda for sustainable development and the SDGs. Canada is here to listen and to help.
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This pandemic has provided an opportunity for a reset. This is our chance to accelerate our pre-pandemic
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efforts to reimagine economic systems that actually address global challenges like extreme poverty,
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inequality, and climate change. Anyways, let me show you a few things in the study that are
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interesting before I get to the conspiracy theories part. Look at page five, where people get their main
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source of news. 34% say TV, and I bet people are including TV that they stream on their laptop and on
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their phone, by the way. I don't even know if people know the difference between TV and video on their
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phone or their device. It's all blurred. So TV is number one. 29%, a very close second, say online.
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Another 16% say social media. So really, I think you can bundle all that together as the internet.
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Radio is 8%. Social media from friends and family is 7%. And look at this, just 3% say newspapers or
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magazines. Isn't that amazing? And look at this, nearly half, 47% of younger respondents
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aged 18 to 34 mentioned social media as their main source of news, either post by friends and family
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or by news organizations. In comparison, 21% of respondents aged 35 to 54 and 8% of those 55 plus
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said social media was their main source of news. I think that's why they're scared of rebel news,
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my friends, because we're talking to young people through social media, through videos
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and Twitter every day. I'll keep going. Figure five shows why people are distrustful of elections,
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Canada. 10% of people say they're concerned, cite electoral integrity, rigged elections,
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that sort of thing. I think we're lucky that Dominion voting machines aren't used up here.
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You can't hack pencils and paper. Regional bias, too many seats in Ontario and Quebec is the next issue,
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interestingly. Obviously, that's a Western Canadian concern. On page 17, they show that 32%
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of Canadians are worried about fraud in voting by mail. Of course they are. That's how the Democrats
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won the 2020 presidential election, using the pandemic as an excuse to have mail-in votes.
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Canadians are wise to be worried about that. Look at page 18. 39% of people are worried about people
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impersonating others when they vote. 35% of Canadians are worried that non-citizens are voting. I'm very
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worried about that. 29% of people are worried about people voting more than once. I'm worried
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about all these things, too. I think we all should be. But what I really wanted to show you was page 20.
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That's the conspiracy theory part of the report. Look at those questions. I'll read the three of them.
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The question was asked before each one was this. There is often debate about whether or not the public
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has told the whole truth about various important issues. Please indicate the degree to which you believe
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each statement is true or false. Well, before we even get to the details, of course
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we're not told the whole truth about everything. There's not enough time to tell the whole truth.
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The whole truth is disputed. And of course, many things are kept private or secret on purpose. So
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the question is begging you to say yes, but let me show you the three scenarios.
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The first one is, certain significant events have been the result of the activity of a small group who
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secretly manipulate world events. I think that's a pretty vague statement, but how can you really
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deny it? The United Nations, the World Economic Forum, the Soros Foundations that have spent tens
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of billions of dollars, including in Canada, the Tides Foundation. We just saw a report that
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foreign foundations have poured more than a billion dollars into Canada to attack our oil sands. Now,
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was that for ideological reasons? Was it to protect OPEC's oil monopoly? I don't know. But I really don't know how
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you couldn't say that you agree with the question. I'm not saying I agree with any particular conspiracy
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theory, but no particular theory is put forward. They're just saying, are decisions made by, you
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know, secretive global elites? I don't know how you can say no to some decisions being made that way.
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Even just the global warming conference that happens every year. It's happening next week in Glasgow,
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Scotland. You know, the UN has these climate conferences every year. How is that not exactly this?
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A group of global elites meeting behind closed doors, trying to manipulate foreign events.
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I suppose some of it is in the open, but much of it is obviously behind closed doors. How is this
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even a question? 40% of people agree with it. No surprise. The next question they test is,
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experiments involving new drugs or technologies are routinely carried out on the public without
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their knowledge or consent. I don't know about the word routinely. We've talked before about the
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Tuskegee experiment where black men in America were injected on purpose with syphilis by the US
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government as part of a brutal experiment. And they weren't told what was being done to them. They were
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being told they were being given medicines to cure them. It was atrocious. It was a lie that went on for
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years. I don't think it's routine, but it obviously happens. And of course, we know that Facebook and
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other social media companies do experiments on on you, psychological experiments, technological
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experiments, and they don't disclose it to you. This is not in dispute. This is reported.
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I mean, in terms of routinely, what do you call it when 90% of people in the country are pressured into
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taking new medications that still have years of clinical studies left to do? 90% of people are
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forced to take those meds on pain and being fired from their jobs and banned from public life.
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How is this even a matter of opinion that this is happening? It's happening in real time. 31% of
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Canadians say yes. And here's the third question. And I don't know why Elections Canada is asking this,
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but here's what they ask people. The government is trying to cover up the link between vaccines and autism.
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You know, I have to tell you, I honestly don't know about this. I have never looked into it.
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I have heard the accusation. I don't know if the government is trying to cover it up. But I do know
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this YouTube is trying to cover up people even talking about it. Here's the rule right here. This
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is from YouTube's rules. You will be banned from YouTube if you make quote claims that the measles,
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mumps, rubella vaccine causes autism. So I don't know if the government is or isn't censoring that.
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I don't know. No idea. But if you say they are, that will be censored from YouTube. I just read
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the rule to you. I promise they will do that to you if you talk about autism and vaccines on YouTube.
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They just will do that and they're not hiding it. By the way, Canadians who have disabilities
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are far more likely to think the government is abusing them than those without. Let me read
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electors with a disability. 41% compared to those without a disability. 29%. Yeah. So one
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third more likely to believe. I won't go through more of the survey. It is interesting though.
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I think the most interesting part of this survey shows what's on the minds of the government,
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especially the hyper-partisans that elections can, the folks that come after me in court. They don't,
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these questions that they're asking show that they know that people don't trust them. They're trying
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to measure that. That people feel manipulated by them. That people feel they're being lied to about
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health matters. The government knows this. So the government wants to test how deep those feelings
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are. And on some questions, the feelings are very deep. The government is curious about what the
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people think of it. They want to know. And the answer is Canadians are worried. That's what the poll shows.
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That explains why those same Canadians simply no longer read newspapers and magazines, doesn't it?
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Because I can't name for you more than a handful of Canadian journalists who write for newspapers and
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magazines who have ever shown a drop of curiosity or skepticism about those questions or others. Can you?
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My employer has just mandated that I must get a vaccine for COVID-19. If I want to keep working
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at my job as a professor, I have to take this vaccine. Here's my conundrum. My school employs me
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to be an authority on the subject of ethics. I hold a PhD in ethics and ancient philosophy.
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And I'm here to tell you it's ethically wrong to coerce someone to take a vaccine. If it happens to
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you, you don't have to do it. If you don't want a COVID vaccine, don't take one. End of discussion.
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It's your own business. Who is the authority giving this order? Should I trust them with control over my
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body? As a professor, I don't have to watch the news to find out if the COVID vaccines are safe.
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I read medical journals and I consult my colleagues who are professors of science and medicine.
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I've learned from doctors that there are serious questions about how safe these vaccines really are.
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There are questions about how well they work. Nobody's promising that I won't get COVID or transmit
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COVID if I get the vaccine. If I'm allowed back into my university, it's my job to teach my students
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that this is wrong. I'm hired to teach them that it is ethically wrong to impose an experimental
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medical procedure as a condition of employment. Is this right or is this wrong? I already know the answer.
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Sorry. Well, those are excerpts from a viral video of Dr. Julie Panessi, a professor of ethics,
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who was given an ethical question, an ethical quiz herself. Would she be coerced into taking a vaccine
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on pain of termination? It was a one question ethics exam that she passed with flying colors. That video
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going viral, inspiring countless people. What we're doing as a society is not moral. It's not ethical.
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It's a kind of madness. And it's important to stand up, even if it costs you everything.
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I'm delighted to say that Dr. Julie Panessi has joined the democracy fund as the pandemic ethics
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scholar. And it will be her project to discuss ethics of the pandemic and the lack thereof
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in the months and possibly years ahead. I don't see us getting out of this problem anytime soon.
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Joining us now via Skype from her home is Dr. Julie Panessi. Well, Dr. Julie, what a pleasure to
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talk with you. What an incredible video that was. Can you tell us a little bit more about that video?
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What caused you to do it? What made you go public in that way? A lot of people are sort of
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grappling with these things privately or in silence. Why did you go public with it?
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Dr. Julie Panessi Well, thanks very much, Ezra. I think there are two things I have to say about
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that. One is that I had been working with a volunteer organization for months before that
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video came out. And we're a science-based, evidence-based, balanced approach to the pandemic. And we had been
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trying to produce that kind of information in very rigorous article-based formats. And we were
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getting very little traction, very little response from the government, from our public health officials.
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And so we decided to try to put more of a narrative to it, more of a human spin on it and show the true
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cost and the true toll that these sorts of mandates and heavy measures from our government can leave
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people with. And the second thing I would say is I hear from so many people who say,
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I guess I'm forced to do this. I guess I don't have a choice anymore. And I think that it can feel
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that way when it feels like your options are limited and that some of those options, or maybe
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all of them are so undesirable, they don't feel like they're real anymore. But in my situation,
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even though I knew I was faced with the possibility of termination, it was still a choice.
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Right. And so my own feeling, and I've taught this to my students and I try to live my life this way,
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is that when you have a decision to make, you want to try to look down the road and think about
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which of the outcomes can you live with? What will allow you to sleep at night? What will
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weigh lightest on your conscience? And that's the choice I made. It was a completely voluntary,
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non-coerced choice. And it's one that I am very proud of and will be happy with, I'm sure,
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for the rest of my life. You know, I'm so glad you made that choice. I do know
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that for most people, the choice is almost a false choice because I think so many people are one
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paycheck away from having no money in the bank, not making rent, not making groceries. Some people,
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their skill set cannot, look, if you've been working as a nurse for 30 years and you're fired
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because you're not vaxxed, what are you going to do? You can't even go to another institution.
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I don't even know if you could start up your own. So there's, so I'm very glad that you could make
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that choice. But what terrifies me and breaks my heart is I think that for the vast majority of people,
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there is no choice. You're a pilot for WestJet Air Canada, Flair, whatever the airlines are.
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If you're fired from one, you're not going to get hired from another for the same reason. And
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a pilot, what else can a pilot do but be a pilot? I find that for most people, the choice isn't even
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really a choice. I think that's a good point. And just to say that you can still make a decision
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is not to say that someone else isn't trying to coerce that decision. And the problem here,
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I mean, we can only control what we can control as individuals. And I think what we need to do
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is to try to hold on to a Canada in which bodily autonomy and the right to make our own decisions
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is still possible. And part of doing that is to try to open up the public debate and show that our
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government, our institutional mandates are coercive. And it's important we realize that mandates are
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coercive because if someone was to make a voluntary choice to do the thing that is being mandated,
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then the mandate wouldn't be necessary. So by definition, a mandate is a coercive measure.
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And we need to think very hard about what tolls that exact on people's lives for exactly the
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reasons that you've mentioned. We are creating a society in which employment is much less fluid,
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is much less transferable than it used to be for the reason that you mentioned, because there's nowhere
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left to go. And as we often say in moral philosophy, choice is the luxury of the well-off.
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The more well-off you are, the more opportunities you have, the more choices you have. But as you say,
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for people who are living paycheck to paycheck or who have very specialized skills, who are the sole
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wage earner in their families, we are pushing those people into a corner. And I have spoken with so
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many who say, I can't get myself out of this corner without threatening the lives of my family. So I
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will take the vaccine. I know it's not the right choice for me medically, but I'll do it for my
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family so they don't have to. Yeah, it's so frustrating. You know, I suppose, you know, the
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classic line of a mugger, your money or your life, you know, someone jumps out of an alley with a gun,
00:25:53.960
your money or your life. Well, that's a choice. You know, our government shouldn't be following the
00:26:02.120
moral code of a mugger, though. Well, I mean, that's my point is to call it a choice. Yeah,
00:26:06.120
the mugger is offering you a choice. He says, here's the two scenarios. It's up to you, though.
00:26:10.280
It's up to you, though. I mean, I was just jotting down words that until March of 2020,
00:26:17.960
these were words that were fashionable were, you know, all the good people said these words,
00:26:25.320
these banks would say on their Twitter accounts to seem woke. They would say we're anti-bullying.
00:26:34.120
They would say we respect your privacy. They would all say we're pro-choice.
00:26:39.000
You know, do you have consent? My body, my choice. Respect minorities. You know, avoid the tyranny of
00:26:50.840
the majority. These are all things that the good people, especially, I just can't get over that
00:26:56.600
anti-bullying thing. Every woke corporate leader, politician would put a little, you know, lapel pin
00:27:04.760
on or would change their icon on social media to show they were really against bullying. And now
00:27:12.360
how it was paper thin, their commitment. Like now, what are they doing acceptable? And they admit it.
00:27:19.480
They don't say that these, like, let me just show you a clip. Here's Jacinda Ardern the other day.
00:27:24.280
She's the prime minister of New Zealand boasting about a segregated society and saying at the end
00:27:30.920
that it's not for medical reasons. It's not even to force people to make the choice. It's so other
00:27:36.280
people can be less anxious. Here, take a look at this. So you basically said this is going to be
00:27:43.240
like, well, it's almost like, you probably don't see it like this, the two different classes of
00:27:46.760
people. If you're vaccinated or if you're unvaccinated, you have all these rights.
00:27:49.800
If you are vaccinated. That is what it is. So, yep. Yep.
00:27:53.400
Can you describe this? You were previously hoping not to be able, not to have to do that,
00:27:57.560
I guess when we still looked like we could maintain the elimination across the whole country. I guess
00:28:01.240
that has now changed because... I think it was less, less because necessarily of the elimination
00:28:06.120
determining that and more because we, of course, uh, maintained and actually we have managed very
00:28:12.840
high vaccination rates generally without the use of certificates. But actually what has become clear
00:28:18.840
to me is that they're not just a tool to drive up vaccines. They're a tool for confidence. People who
00:28:25.080
have been vaccinated will want to know that they're around other vaccinated people. They want to know
00:28:30.200
that they're in a safe environment. It is a way that we can give confidence to those who are going
00:28:35.320
back into hospitality or events. And so that is something that I think we should offer to people
00:28:42.680
who have been vaccinated. That confidence that we're doing everything we can to keep them safe
00:28:46.760
and that they can come back out and start enjoying those things safely.
00:28:50.920
She was the head of the socialist international youth. She was the wokest of the woke. Now she's sort
00:28:55.720
of laughing about how she's bringing in new segregation. She accepts those terms.
00:29:02.200
And the thing, one of the things anyway, we know about segregationist systems, and this is, you know,
00:29:08.360
proven historically, and you'd think that our memory would have carried this forward, is that the more
00:29:14.280
segregation we have, the more bitterness we have unsurprisingly, but bitterness between citizens. And so
00:29:19.800
you can't have conditional privileges granted to some members of society and not create segregation.
00:29:29.320
And you can't have segregation without a threat to the bonds that are supposed to unify citizens in
00:29:35.560
a democracy. So I think we need moving forward to be very aware of what the costs of a two-tiered or a
00:29:44.520
class system or a segregated medical society, whatever you want to call it, what the costs of
00:29:50.920
those things are. And we have it already. You know, we are starting, not only do we have the vaccine
00:29:55.720
passports, but we're starting to see a kind of triaging in healthcare where some people are being,
00:30:01.240
people on organ donor lists, for example, are being removed from those lists for refusing to be
00:30:06.040
vaccinated. And I think it's not surprising that we will see the kind of bitterness and hatred and
00:30:12.440
shaming that our prime minister is modeling for citizens. And we will see that trickling down to
00:30:18.440
who knows what level. Yeah, I am shocked by it. I'm shocked by how quickly it happened.
00:30:25.640
And I was thinking the kind of person, I was talking to someone yesterday who was mentioning a
00:30:31.880
husband and wife team. They're both medical professionals. I think one's a nurse and the
00:30:36.600
other might be two. They both, both husband and wife decided to quit. I mean, imagine the economic
00:30:43.400
hit to that family. I don't know what they'll even do. But those are, what a unique couple they are,
00:30:50.600
that they would so thoughtfully consider these matters and make an ethical choice that causes them
00:30:57.720
immediate harm and suffering and damage. That may well be the most ethical person at that entire
00:31:05.160
hospital. Someone who makes the right choice at high personal cost. It seems to me that's exactly
00:31:12.120
the kind of character that you want in a workplace, in a community, in a country. I think it was Warren
00:31:21.000
Buffett who said, you know, intelligence, honesty. He had three things. He said, honesty is the most
00:31:28.840
important. Intelligence, hard work, and honesty. He says, honesty is the most important. You don't want
00:31:35.640
a hardworking, intelligent person who's dishonest. I'm mangling it. But he said, hire for character.
00:31:43.800
The other things are important, but character is the building block.
00:31:47.320
You're getting rid of the people with the most integrity. You're getting rid of the Jody
00:31:54.520
Wilson-Rayboulds of the hospitals, of the airlines, of the banks, the people who believe in something
00:32:02.200
higher than themselves. You're getting rid of all of them. And that strikes me as absolute madness.
00:32:09.160
And you're removing the most ethical people from the pool.
00:32:13.080
And I think a good question for people to ask themselves in this context is, who do you want
00:32:20.920
for your doctor? Who do you want for your primary healthcare manager? Do you want someone who is
00:32:27.320
superb at unreflectively following orders? Or do you want someone who is aware of what the rules are,
00:32:36.440
what best practices in healthcare are, but who are also incredibly good critical thinkers and who
00:32:44.680
are attentive to the evidence as it presents itself, who have integrity, who have confidence in their own
00:32:51.080
reasoning abilities? I certainly know what I would choose. And when you mention that couple, it strikes me that when we think about
00:33:00.440
heroes in literature and history, they are not people who stay on the steady track.
00:33:08.360
They don't go with the flow. They are people who are individuals. They are people who make a decision that
00:33:14.520
is not necessarily the popular one at the time. They are people who are willing to go against the grain at
00:33:21.800
great personal cost. And in the context of movies and literature and history, we praise these people.
00:33:28.040
We revere them. We pay to go and see movies with these people in them. And now in our society,
00:33:34.200
we're shunning them and casting them aside and basically telling them they don't deserve to be Canadian anymore.
00:33:39.720
Yeah, it's a terrible time. We're talking with Dr. Julie Panessi, professor of ethics, who
00:33:45.160
made the moral choice to say no to force vaccines at her institution. She's now the pandemic ethics
00:33:51.800
scholar with the Democracy Fund. Dr. Julie, let's talk about that just for a minute. The
00:33:55.880
Democracy Fund is a new charity that for the last six or nine months has been working on pandemic issues,
00:34:03.960
mainly through litigation, helping defend over 2000 people charged with various pandemic offenses. And now
00:34:12.440
carefully trying to challenge some of these vaccine mandates. That's the the mandate of the Democracy
00:34:19.720
Fund so far. But there's another mandate, which is education for civil liberties. Tell me what you
00:34:25.960
will be doing with the Democracy Fund as the pandemic ethics scholar. Oh, so many interesting things,
00:34:32.440
I think. You know, we've talked about how there are some quite specific pointed acute microscopic
00:34:39.240
problems right now to do with things like the vaccine mandates and lockdowns and and those sorts
00:34:43.960
of things. But in my mind, there are much broader issues that underlie and are the cause of those
00:34:52.040
things that are really symptoms. And I think we have a crisis in our country, a crisis of civic virtue,
00:34:57.880
a crisis of government transparency and accountability to the citizens, a crisis in our media. And we need to
00:35:04.440
start talking about some of these civic virtues, not just what you are entitled to as a democratic citizen,
00:35:10.760
but what your responsibilities are. And I take very seriously that those responsibilities include
00:35:16.760
holding your your government representatives feet to the fire and and demanding evidence when they ask
00:35:23.080
something of you that comes potentially with a lot of risk. And I think we need to see ethical questions,
00:35:31.160
legal questions, deep probing critical thinking questions that are the, you know, the headlines of
00:35:37.320
every major newspaper in Canada every morning. And, you know, my goal is to try to open up some arenas for
00:35:45.960
debate in which these questions are not only allowed, but deeply respected. And when there are people who are
00:35:52.920
committed to asking them, it's not so crucial in my mind that we come up with settled answers to these
00:35:59.960
questions, but that we make it a focus of debate in Canada. And then we make it acceptable and desirable
00:36:10.600
to think about what citizenship requires and where we're going as a democracy.
00:36:16.680
Well, I'm excited about that. Of course, we love the democracy fund here. We're the biggest boosters
00:36:21.720
and they are a separate entity under the Canada Revenue Agency charity rules. But I'm excited. The fact
00:36:29.640
that you've joined the democracy fund full time, basically to promote pandemic ethics, we see
00:36:35.240
on TV every night, I call them TV doctors. They're frankly, some of them are loving this crisis.
00:36:41.400
They love the lockdown. They don't want it to end. They love boosters and the idea of endless,
00:36:47.240
you know, biomedical security state because suddenly they're very important. They're very powerful.
00:36:52.280
They're very famous. They all daydream about getting a show on CNN as, you know, some, I feel like
00:37:00.840
the public health establishment, I'll call it an industrial complex.
00:37:05.880
Every single thing that they are loving, whether it's profits or celebrity or, or power
00:37:12.680
is, is a moral hazard. And many of them, frankly, are on the payroll of Pfizer. And I don't say that as a
00:37:20.360
speculative conspiracy theory. Pfizer is one of the largest lobbying entities out there. All of big
00:37:26.520
pharma is. So to have one countervailing voice to say, whoa, what about the ethics? And I know that
00:37:33.560
you, you might well be shunned by some of the mainstream media who are bought into this tomb. But I
00:37:40.040
think that if you can every single day, try to replicate that amazing viral video you had
00:37:47.800
on interviews, in, in writing on YouTube, I mean, go social media. If you can do these things,
00:37:56.200
I think we can start to rebuild that common, uh, agreed ethics that makes up part of the Canadian
00:38:04.680
identity. Canadians are not bullies by nature. This is un-Canadian what's happening. And if you can
00:38:09.720
help our country rediscover our ethical norms, then I think you'll be doing us a great service.
00:38:15.240
No pressure. You know, I think the thing we need to remember is just because something is possible,
00:38:22.280
just because we have the technology to accomplish something doesn't mean it's right. And we need to
00:38:28.360
start asking those ethical questions wherever they take us.
00:38:31.160
Mm-hmm. Well, it's a pleasure talking with you. You will be on stage with me,
00:38:35.320
Dr. Charles McVitie, and Glenn Beck, uh, this Thursday at one of our monthly Civil Liberties
00:38:42.760
Town Halls sponsored by the Democracy Fund, hosted by Charles McVitie. For those who want tickets,
00:38:48.280
you can get the tickets, uh, to attend in person, or you can watch, uh, by Zoom. We're having a Zoom
00:38:56.840
pay-per-view. I really encourage people to attend. Our last one with Tucker Carlson was a huge success.
00:39:02.760
It's going to be a monthly series. John Stossel is the next one. We've got an invitation into Glenn
00:39:08.280
Greenwald. Um, so we, we really have an exciting speaker series. Dr. Julie will be speaking there
00:39:14.840
for ticket information. You can see the link beneath this video. Dr. Panassi, congratulations to you on
00:39:20.920
your moral stand. You inspired many people, and I hope you continue to do so. Thanks for your time today.
00:39:25.480
Thank you, Ezra. All right. There you have it. Stay with us. More ahead.
00:39:30.040
Hey, welcome back. Your viewer feedback. Someone with the nickname Riot Earth says,
00:39:46.600
I feel like Trudeau is the redheaded stepchild of the World Economic Forum. One day he'll fall down the
00:39:52.360
stairs in Klaus Schwab's mansion. I don't really understand the references, but
00:39:58.440
I think Trudeau loves globalists. It's like his dad. He loves being a world traveler,
00:40:08.760
loves going to exotic places. I think the real story is Christia Freeland. Before she ran for
00:40:15.400
parliament, she was Soros's official biographer. And you can see in today's show, she was there in
00:40:22.280
Davos when Trudeau met Freeland. She's still on the board of the World Economic Forum. Again,
00:40:27.640
that's not a conspiracy theory. That's what she's doing. How's that even allowed? I don't know.
00:40:33.240
So I think that there are some very real things. Here's what I tell our people whenever a crazy
00:40:39.080
conspiracy theory comes up. I say, you don't have to go for the conspiracy theories because the facts
00:40:44.520
that are out there are so crazy, but they're not being covered. Just cover the crazy things we can
00:40:50.600
prove. We can see, hear, touch, feel the things from which there's evidence. That will keep you
00:40:56.040
busy for the rest of your life. You don't have to go chasing made up rumors. Aaron Terminator says,
00:41:03.400
here's another contradiction for you in terms of the arbitrary health mandates. I'm 16, still in school.
00:41:08.600
Hockey and huge sporting events are open for thousands to attend, but my cafeteria in my school
00:41:13.880
is closed. Nice one. Yeah, I was reading about schools where kids are not allowed to talk over
00:41:19.000
lunch. They're literally instructed to have lunch in silence. But what restaurant in Canada
00:41:28.040
makes you sit in silence? Not a one of them. I really think this is a war on children and that's
00:41:33.160
the worst part of it. Well, that's the show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here
00:41:38.360
from Rebel World Headquarters to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom. And let me
00:41:43.000
sign off by showing you an exclusive interview of yet another pastor who was thrown in prison
00:41:49.240
for breaking some lockdown rule. Here's an exclusive interview he did with Rebel News. Bye, everybody.
00:41:54.280
I'm not going to see her again. I don't know, for months or years. And that's the last I've seen of my
00:42:21.640
mother. And they kept saying, we can't get ahold of your lawyer. I'm having a hard time believing
00:42:26.920
they actually called my lawyer. Now, the Winnipeg Remand Center is a cruel place right now.
00:42:35.880
Everybody in the Remand Center in Winnipeg is on solitary confinement. And they say that's based on
00:42:43.880
COVID. And the judge said that the restrictions on the church does not violate their charter rights.
00:42:58.040
Pastor Tobias Thyssen is amongst the many pastors to be arrested recently here in Canada.
00:43:03.080
This disturbing trend can be seen coast to coast from the recent arrest of Pastor Phil in New Brunswick
00:43:08.600
to the arrest of Pastors Tim Stevens, James Coates, and Arthur Poblowski in Alberta.
00:43:14.040
Luckily, today we're not here to bring you a story about a pastor behind bars.
00:43:17.640
Fortunately, Pastor Tobias has been released. This took roughly 45 hours of him being in custody.
00:43:23.000
Though this is good news for the Manitoba minister, it is not without its set of drawbacks.
00:43:27.480
Pastor Tobias was able to negotiate the conditions of his release, meaning while he's not able to incite,
00:43:33.080
organize, or invite anyone to an event that contravenes COVID-19 health regulations,
00:43:38.040
he is able to perform regular church services, as well as his duties as a pastor.
00:43:43.240
Today, you're going to hear all of that and more from the man himself, Pastor Tobias Thyssen,
00:43:49.240
To start, what happened? Can you give us a debrief on the whole situation?
00:43:52.680
It arose a couple of days ago that you were being arrested by the RCMP in Steinbeck,
00:43:57.240
and your family was there. Could you give us an update from then and what happened?
00:44:01.640
So basically, how this whole thing went down was this happened on Monday evening.
00:44:06.840
Now, my mom, all of us were originally from Europe, from Germany. That's where I was born.
00:44:15.640
We moved to Canada because we were not allowed to have homeschooling there,
00:44:20.120
and we were persecuted for that. So we moved here. And long story short, we're back at it over here.
00:44:26.440
But my father, who passed away last year, was kind of why we all stayed here as family. After that,
00:44:36.200
my brother already moved back to Europe. And now my mother, her father is still living in Europe,
00:44:44.440
and he's getting older and needs help. So she decided to move to Europe as well.
00:44:49.480
And my other brother as well. So I'm the only one from my family living in Canada right now.
00:44:55.800
So Monday night was our last evening together. We went, bought some food, and went to the park to
00:45:04.200
have a nice evening together. And we had a good time. We ate together. We played with the children a
00:45:11.640
little bit with my boys. And then when we left, you know, I had a heavy heart. My mother's leaving
00:45:19.640
and all that. I didn't even think about my warrant at all whatsoever. For the last month and a half or
00:45:26.200
two months, I have not been hiding whatsoever. I have been to Winnipeg. I've been to Steinbeck.
00:45:31.640
I've been through the stores where I needed to go to and, you know, live normal life. And nothing
00:45:37.560
ever happened. So I didn't really expect anything would happen on Monday. The only thing basically
00:45:43.240
on my mind was my mom is leaving. It's our last evening together. And then I got out of the parking
00:45:51.880
lot. And I see some people standing on the sidewalk. And even that didn't catch my attention. I was
00:45:58.440
like, that's normal. And as I drove a little further, I see a police cruiser coming up. And
00:46:06.200
as soon as I saw the police cruiser, you know, the RCMP, they have the big lights on this on the roof.
00:46:12.440
And then underneath there, they have this little light, really bright light, it almost shoots out at
00:46:17.320
you. When you see it, like, they use that to get your attention. As soon as I drove up,
00:46:22.920
got closer, that light just shot at me. And I was like, what do they want? And the first thought
00:46:29.480
literally on my mind was not my warrant. It was like, Oh, no, I'm not buckled up in my seat right
00:46:35.800
now. And my son is standing in the back row, you know. And but then almost right away, it was like,
00:46:42.360
oh, no, this is this is a much bigger problem here. And as they approached came to my door,
00:46:47.960
they asked for my license. And I asked them what the stop was for. While we were talking,
00:46:54.680
a civilian approached us. And he kind of walked past so I could see him. And he goes, hello, Tobias,
00:47:03.480
with a nasty grin. And that was the herald, the police chief from the RCMP. So either he himself had
00:47:11.800
seen me in the park, or one of his friends had reported me. But in the video, it's pretty obvious,
00:47:17.880
he has a quite the nasty grin on it. The nasty grin, you know, I got you. Anyways, he told them,
00:47:24.760
that's Tobias, he's under arrest, take him out of the car. So we walked back to the vehicle. And you
00:47:30.280
can tell in the video, my mom badly wanted to give me a hug. I of course, her too, because in the morning,
00:47:36.040
I was going to take her to the airport. And I knew this is not going to be just a quick release.
00:47:42.120
I'm not going to see her again, I don't know, for months or years. And they completely denied that.
00:47:49.400
In fact, the lady officer was really nasty, she shoved them around. And finally, the other,
00:47:55.640
the male officer told me, if you sit down in the car, then she can give you a hug while you're sitting
00:48:03.080
in the car. And I was like, you know what, if that's the only way it's going to work, I'll do it.
00:48:09.320
And then he said, that's a fair compromise. So I sat down in the car, as soon as I sat down in the car,
00:48:15.960
they slammed that door shut. They chose not to allow it. And they slammed that door shut. And my
00:48:22.280
mom was standing outside there crying, and you know, waving, kissing through the glass. And, and that's the
00:48:30.280
last I've seen of my mother. And it took me to the station from there. And kept me in police custody
00:48:40.040
till 1130 at night. And from there, they took me to Winnipeg police custody. And all along, they were
00:48:47.560
trying to force the legal aid on me, instead of letting me use my lawyer. And they kept saying,
00:48:54.040
we can't get ahold of your lawyer. I'm having a hard time believing they actually called my lawyer.
00:48:59.080
They lied to me before. How am I supposed to believe them now when they say,
00:49:02.680
we can't get ahold of your lawyer? Here's legal aid. That legal aid wouldn't have fought for me
00:49:08.360
nearly half as hard as my lawyer did. And so I kept refusing. I said, I'm going to wait here for my
00:49:14.200
lawyer. And once I did talk with them, the conditions were not, not good. It would have,
00:49:21.320
it would have limited me from, from going to church and from preaching. And, and I just couldn't live
00:49:29.480
with that. My conscience did not allow me to sign off on that. And that's the original set of
00:49:37.240
conditions that you would have had to agree to. That's right. That's the original ones. And,
00:49:42.520
and, and so I said, no, I can't. And so we did not even have a bail hearing on Tuesday,
00:49:48.120
the first day I was in and we got scheduled for the following day's bail. And so I was moved to remand
00:49:58.040
and got taken into my cell there after, you know, the check-in is such a long process there. And
00:50:05.880
by the time I got to remand, I've been arrested for close to 20 hours. I was not allowed to call my
00:50:13.800
wife. I was not allowed to call any pastor for me. I was only allowed to call my lawyer. Once I got to
00:50:21.880
remand, I asked them if I could call my wife and they brought me a phone, but in remand center,
00:50:29.640
you got to set up your voice. You got to set up your own profile on the phone.
00:50:34.760
None of that was explained to me. So I was trying madly to call. I called like 10 times. I called
00:50:41.320
six different people and I never got through. And once they took me to my cell, I told them,
00:50:47.720
can you work it out for me to call my wife tonight yet? And he says, I'm going to try.
00:50:54.680
And it wasn't until the next day in the morning, I was arrested for 39 hours before I could speak to my
00:51:01.800
wife. And, and that's cruel. Now the Winnipeg remand center is, is a cruel place right now.
00:51:12.760
Everybody in the remand center in Winnipeg is on solitary confinement. And they say that's based
00:51:20.440
on COVID. So you got to spend 23 and a half hours in your cell in a 24 hour period, half an hour,
00:51:32.360
half an hour during the day, you're allowed to have a break where you can take a shower or do a phone
00:51:37.560
call. The rest of your time, you're stuck in your cell. My cell was on the second floor and, and it
00:51:45.480
was not, it was, um, it was a hallway beside this, the second floor. And then there was a railing and
00:51:52.920
the cafeteria was down below and the rooms, it was not a straight wall, but it was a wall where you had
00:52:00.840
angles. Try to show it on here. Like it's, it's angles. And then your doors are at an angle. You
00:52:05.960
can't look straight out. And my room was at the very end. All I could see was the wall of the
00:52:13.240
cafeteria at the end there, a little piece of railing and down below some cellmates, they had
00:52:18.600
their doors like this where they could face each other through the door at the angle. But all I
00:52:25.720
could see was just a little bit of railing a wall through my door. And some of the inmates could see
00:52:32.200
a clock in the cafeteria from out their room, but I couldn't, I had, I never had a sense of time.
00:52:39.480
And that's the cruel part of jail. It wants to break you in your mind. Your, your mental strength
00:52:45.720
is under extreme attack when you're in jail. I was going to ask you if you thought during
00:52:52.600
your time in custody that you were treated particularly unfairly because of the situation,
00:52:56.520
but even what you're describing, I mean, that, that could be considered torturous for
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most people in general. So it seems like you've gone through quite a lot in that time.
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Yes. The first night, especially Winnipeg custody was, was really nasty. They keep the bright light on
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all night long. They bang on the doors every 15 minutes. When you're trying to sleep and,
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and you get woken up so frequently, it frustrates, it really frustrates you. And so,
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and they, they try to do it. They try to say, well, we got to make sure you're doing okay.
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Because they come by the door. Are you okay? Are you okay? Finally, I told them, of course I am okay.
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And they says, well, that's just our policy. So it's a policy to break people down. That's what
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it's intended to do. And to give you a little example of not knowing, being somewhere, not knowing
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what the time was during the night, I must have dozed off somewhere. And I woke up and I was like,
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well, it must be morning. And next time an officer walked by, I asked what the time was. And it was
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like two 30 in the morning. So on a, on a good news front though, the conditions you had to sign
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weren't the ones originally proposed by the state. You actually have, seems like a good set going for
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you. What can you elaborate? Yes. So the, the condition was modified and, and I'm really thankful
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for that. I didn't know that they would modify it. And I was consecrated to stay in jail if I wouldn't
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be allowed to have my religious liberties back. And, and they were changed to say that while I'm not
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allowed to incite or organize or invite anybody to a gathering that is in contravention of COVID-19,
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it goes on to say, to clarify, this does not affect his ability to perform regular religious
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services and perform his duties as a pastor. So I'm not limited to, I'm not limited to come to
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church or to preach or, or pastoral duties are to invite people to church. So that is protected.
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Anyways, I'm, I'm glad to say that I'm allowed to attend and speak at rallies. I'm just not allowed to
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invite or organize them, but they, they can't limit my free speech so far, thankfully.
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Yeah. And speaking of the church, uh, recently on, uh, just a couple of weeks ago, your church was
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set to go to court. Uh, and we were going to find out about that million dollar ticket. Uh,
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what is the current status of that whole situation? That got postponed again. And in fact,
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they blended that court with mine for November 4th. And it was just said to be back to court.
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Well, it was just announced that the province of Manitoba is actually coming out of its emergency
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state or the state of emergency that's been imposed on it is being waived. Uh, however, all of the,
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all the health measures have remained the same. Uh, so this, even though they're coming out of a state
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of emergency, it seems like nothing has changed. Is that the same for the church and for,
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from your perspective? That's what it seems to be like. It seems like nothing is changing on that
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part. They're still pushing the vaccine. They're still pushing the segregation and, and the limiting
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of people to church unless they're vaccinated. And in fact, I've lost a lot of faith. I had,
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I had very little faith in our legal system anyways, but I lost a lot of that little bit when we heard
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the decision made, like, I think just yesterday, or was it, I think it was just yesterday when they
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said that the, you know, the churches that were in court in Manitoba and the judge said that, um,
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the restrictions on the church does not violate their charter rights. I could not believe my ears.
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And, and that's what he said. I want everybody to know that those people that are deciding those
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matters don't know with what grave of a situation they're dealing with. They don't know that they're
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going to face a God who has instituted worship and who has made us to worship him and who wants us to
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worship him and who wants Christians to come together to worship him, that that's his pleasure
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and our strength and our ability to function in life. That judge doesn't comprehend that
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and is going to be in for a rude awakening. And lastly, if people want to support you and
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your legal fight against the state, where do they go? If anybody wants to support what I'm going
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through, there's probably multiple court cases still to come. And the JCCF is supporting me in this.
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They are funding a criminal lawyer to fight on my behalf. And, and I so appreciate all the support,
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all the prayers and so many people who have thought about me. I've, I've seen the traction online and,
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and it's so encouraging, so heartwarming to know that there's many people that are on our side that
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are standing with us. And that's the way to go. We must stand together and support each other.
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Thankfully, we're not all in jail at the same time. And there's some people outside who are standing
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behind and have our backs. And I'm so thankful for that. Thanks for sticking to the end guys.
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And let me remind you, though, the battle is won, the war is not over. And as Tobias said himself,
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he and the church will be in court on November 4th. So if you want to show your support, go to
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jccf.ca and you'll be able to help fund his legal fight. And if you want to show your support for other
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pastors across the country, check out savepastorphil.com, freepastorjames.com,
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or savearthur.com to get involved. There are many avenues in which you can support. And I want to
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remind you to stay tuned because updates are sure to be on their way. So if you want to follow our
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coverage, go to rebelnews.com and you'll see the full side of the story. For Rebel News, I'm Sidney Fizzard.
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