Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Elon Musk and the clash between masculine ambition and feminized institutions unlisted

00:00:00.200 Hello, my friends. I've been thinking a little bit more about Elon Musk and some of the qualities

00:00:04.600 that he represents, which I would call very masculine qualities, and sort of the HR-style

00:00:10.060 world that loathes him for that, which is sort of a feminine world of cohesion and friendship

00:00:15.480 and no winners and losers, and everyone gets a participation trophy. I think there's a bit of a 0.73

00:00:21.520 social and aesthetic divide. I'll try and make sense of it, and you'll correct me if I'm wrong.

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00:00:56.240 Tonight, Elon Musk, tall poppy syndrome and the difference between men and women is June 15th.

00:01:03.460 And this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:07.260 You buddy, you feed him! 0.99

00:01:10.600 Shame on you, you sensorious thug! 0.97

00:01:13.840 well this year as you probably know is the 250th anniversary of independence day declaration of 0.97

00:01:30.260 independence and boy donald trump is going full tilt the most extreme americana you can imagine

00:01:37.060 the celebrations have begun now by the way he's renewing and remodeling fountains and the

00:01:43.060 reflecting pool he really is beautifying the capital but holy smokes are they doing fun things

00:01:49.200 motorbikes jets flying overhead mixed martial arts and have you ever heard of travis pastrana

00:01:57.040 absolutely off the hook i've never seen anything like it

00:02:13.060 there's nothing more raw and masculine and troublemaking ish and daring than that there's

00:02:31.380 this video of his mom being stressed out by it i just want to show you that really quickly

00:02:43.060 that's in a different venue but you can just see her mom's concern for her son doing these crazy

00:02:56.180 stunts now by the way having rollicking fun at the white house believe it or not

00:03:01.520 that is an american tradition going back all the way to the founders where they would have

00:03:05.880 wrestling and loud drunken parties there that's just how it was it wasn't all fancy fancy

00:03:12.540 By the way, the Democrats and the left wing had counter-programming, so you weren't just watching Mixed Martial Arts and Fighter Jet.

00:03:22.600 Here they have a song about fighting fascism.

00:03:26.840 All you fascists bound to lose. You're bound to lose. You're fascists bound to lose.

00:03:34.900 Hey there, all you fascists, let me put you straight. 0.98

00:03:38.460 When you come for the rest of us 0.99

00:03:41.020 We'll fight you at the gate 0.99

00:03:42.620 And you will lose 1.00

00:03:44.240 You fascist battle room 0.84

00:03:46.160 I don't know if that's compelling

00:03:48.180 Maybe I'm not the target market 1.00

00:03:50.140 Maybe more women who think Donald Trump 1.00

00:03:52.640 Is a fascist rapist 1.00

00:03:54.600 Really react to that 0.99

00:03:55.860 Here's Robert De Niro

00:03:57.220 Who's not quite sure if he loves America anymore

00:03:59.640 This is his point of view

00:04:01.360 The phrase we all love our country

00:04:03.640 Stuck in my throat

00:04:04.800 because our country isn't so lovable right now.

00:04:10.080 I hate to say it, but loving our country is starting to sound like an abused spouse saying they love their abuser.

00:04:16.360 And of course, in the past, the Democrats had very different aesthetics for their celebrations on the White House,

00:04:21.940 not just outside, but when they had videos made on the inside.

00:04:26.200 This was a very curious expression of Americanism in my mind. Take a look.

00:04:31.440 One of the bravest and most inspiring people I've ever known.

00:04:34.800 I mean, you're welcome.

00:04:37.160 Good folks.

00:04:38.380 Can we take a little video?

00:04:40.320 Hi, Mr. President.

00:04:41.680 It is an honor.

00:04:42.880 Fans rights are human rights.

00:04:46.460 Oh, it's okay.

00:04:47.620 Oh, look at the video.

00:04:50.740 What is it?

00:04:51.500 What is it? 1.00

00:04:56.060 Gay news. 0.97

00:04:59.880 It's so damn good. 0.99

00:05:02.000 Are we topists at the White House? 0.68

00:05:03.860 Lots of differences of approach aesthetically, wouldn't you say?

00:05:08.900 I want to talk about the aesthetics of Elon Musk and what he just did with SpaceX, the largest IPO of all time.

00:05:15.560 Because I see two worldviews, two camps, sort of like there are in How to Celebrate America,

00:05:21.320 the Donald Trump military sports complex versus the fight fascism side there.

00:05:28.640 I see two worldviews when it comes to Elon Musk.

00:05:30.720 And I think it's more than just ideological.

00:05:33.000 I think part of it goes to masculinity and femininity.

00:05:37.080 Just think of all the videos I just showed you in that political lens. 0.90

00:05:42.140 And watch 90 seconds of this.

00:05:43.780 I caught this.

00:05:44.660 This is a larger video by a great Australian magazine called Quillette.

00:05:49.560 We used to actually have Claire Lehman from Quillette doing videos for us about 10 years ago now.

00:05:54.420 She's got a great magazine on her own. 0.98

00:05:56.000 And this is Zoe Booth talking about a study about what happens to organizations, to institutions when they become majority female. 0.97

00:06:05.560 Let me play a minute and a half for you.

00:06:07.440 I thought this was very interesting.

00:06:09.060 And if you've watched the video or read the essay, you'd know that it's all about how women entering academia and these academic institutions has really impacted the culture of these institutions. 0.58

00:06:19.460 and as they argue has resulted in, as I've just said, a lack of free speech, more cancel culture

00:06:26.680 and deprioritization of emotional safety over the truth. So Helen Andrews makes a similar argument

00:06:33.280 in her essay. She argues that as women have become the majority in institutions like universities, 1.00

00:06:39.540 law schools, HR departments and media organizations, these institutions have fundamentally changed.

00:06:45.560 The traits she associates with men, direct conflict, risk-taking, valuing truth over feelings, have been replaced by what she calls feminine norms, consensus building, empathy, emotional safety, and conflict avoidance.

00:07:00.340 And the data does show something interesting here.

00:07:04.140 A 2022 poll of college students found that 85% of women wouldn't allow a speaker who said transgender people have a mental disorder to speak on campus.

00:07:14.120 compared to only 58 percent of men similar gaps showed up for controversial speakers on topics

00:07:20.260 like black lives matter election fraud and abortion andrews isn't just saying women are

00:07:25.420 different she's saying that when women reach a critical mass in an organization the entire 0.99

00:07:30.600 culture flips institutions change when there's when they're dominated by feminine ideas uh same 1.00

00:07:38.620 in the law. I mean, in France, believe it or not, 70%, 72% of judges in France are women. And of 1.00

00:07:46.940 course, a woman could be a judge, but sometimes there's a tilt because there is a feminine 1.00

00:07:52.280 approach to the world, different than the masculine approach. Feelings perhaps are more 0.98

00:07:58.880 valuable than hard, cold precedent. And so you see lenient sentences. We see this in Canada too. Of

00:08:04.620 course there are woke left-wing male judges but when feminization takes over an institution it

00:08:11.060 changes how it thinks how it reacts i think it's the same as the difference between how a mom and

00:08:16.540 a dad react to the same thing from a child how they criticize a child or defend a child how they

00:08:21.460 accept something or don't there's a there's a reason moms and dads are different and i think

00:08:27.300 that speaks to the whole concept of the hr department the human resources department

00:08:33.360 um this is a video that went absolutely viral um a couple years ago and take a look at and and you

00:08:41.980 tell me why do you think this went so viral and why do you think it elicited such a reaction take

00:08:46.980 a look gen z boston mini gen z boston mini ebts and a bomb ebts and a ball five foot three in

00:08:54.880 attitude five foot three in the attitude secret product in the trench secret product in the 0.59

00:08:59.920 Well, I think that was the total apex of the feminization of the workplace. 1.00

00:09:11.940 Those young women there are in charge of hiring and firing for a company. 1.00

00:09:16.840 I don't know which company, but probably hiring and firing accountants or scientists or people who were doing a harder and harder. 1.00

00:09:26.020 I don't mean more tough.

00:09:26.780 I mean, more objective activity than doing, quote, HR. 0.55

00:09:32.920 And the total feminization of that workplace, I think, would make it a very difficult place for a certain kind of male worker to be.

00:09:43.280 And I think that it shows the success of the field of studies, gender studies, vegetarian studies, peace studies, all these degrees that when I was in school, I thought, huh, they're going to be unemployable.

00:09:55.080 where on earth would they get jobs? Joke's on me. They all got jobs working in HR. They became

00:10:00.000 the deciders. They were the people who decided if you were de-platformed in your company.

00:10:06.360 Let me give you an example. Since we're speaking about Elon Musk, I don't know if you remember

00:10:10.020 this case. More than a decade ago, Matt Taylor, the rocket scientist, literally, who wore a shirt

00:10:17.160 with not naked women, but with suggestively dressed women on it. It was a gift from a female 0.71

00:10:23.220 colleague by the way this is the shirt he wore when he had an astounding rocket science

00:10:29.700 achievement they landed a satellite on i think it was a meteor or something millions of miles away

00:10:36.860 i forget the exact achievement but it was astonishing historic and because he had a

00:10:42.500 shirt that hr didn't like they made him have do this groveling apology take a look the shirt i

00:10:48.740 war this week. I made a big mistake, and I offended many people, and I'm very sorry about this.

00:11:02.060 Do you see the difference between an HR department and an actual rocket scientist? One's very

00:11:08.440 feminine, concerned about hurt feelings and following the rules, and there was a complaint,

00:11:14.680 and you're making someone uncomfortable those are feminine values versus i just launched landed a 1.00

00:11:20.640 satellite on a piece of rock a million miles away and we saw which one dominated there do

00:11:26.700 and do you remember speaking of videos of what life was like at twitter before elon musk took 0.91

00:11:33.860 it over well you don't have to remember uh the majority of staff at twitter were women hr style

00:11:39.640 women not only running twitter but reviewing the content reviewing the tweets that were made around

00:11:45.100 the world to make sure that they didn't hurt feelings here's a day in the life working at

00:11:50.620 twitter uh in its hr centric world before elon musk came and took over take a look welcome to a day in

00:11:58.380 my life as a twitter employee so this past week went to sf for the first time at a twitter office

00:12:04.780 badged in honestly took a moment to just soak everything in what a blessing also started my

00:12:11.620 morning off with an iced matcha from the perch then i had a meeting so quickly scheduled one

00:12:17.460 of these little pod rooms which were so cool they're literally noise canceling took my meeting

00:12:22.780 got ready for a bunch look how delicious this food looks oh my goodness i was so overwhelmed

00:12:28.800 then made my way down to this log cabin area i don't know what this is but it was really cool

00:12:35.240 played some foosball with my friends to kind of unwind a bit um also found this really cool

00:12:42.240 meditation room that i thought was super neat um i didn't do any yoga but they have this yoga room

00:12:49.760 if you are a yogi so also thought that was really cool um had a couple more meetings in the afternoon

00:12:56.080 had a ton of projects that we needed to knock out say hi to my teammates um went to the went to the

00:13:02.240 library to kind of get some more work done obviously had to have our afternoon coffee so

00:13:08.140 made some espresso and then before leaving for the day had some red wine um that's on tap went

00:13:15.240 up to the rooftop and just honestly enjoyed the beautiful weather so awesome trip elon musk saw

00:13:23.300 that video and he terminated 80 of the company and it immediately got better the i don't think

00:13:29.280 he fired a single engineer or someone who was actually doing something he just sacked the folks

00:13:35.560 who um you know had a day at the spa or whatever they were doing so who is elon musk i mean just

00:13:43.520 stop and think about what he's into he's into cars rockets digging tunnels fast internet uh and by

00:13:51.020 the way, he's also a globally ranked video game player. I honestly don't know how he has all the

00:13:56.160 time. And now he's a trillionaire. And all those things I just mentioned, rockets, cars, those are

00:14:04.040 all masculine traits. I'm not saying women can't do those as well, but they're quite masculine.

00:14:09.880 And, you know, here's a video of him inviting a date to watch rocket ships. You know, he says,

00:14:14.680 I don't usually do this, but, you know, I'd love to see you tomorrow. Can we meet for breakfast?

00:14:21.020 and we had breakfast and then at the end of breakfast he said will you come and have lunch

00:14:25.180 with me so then we went for lunch and then he said will you come to dinner and then i remember

00:14:31.100 one evening he said um would would you like to come back to my hotel room so we can look at

00:14:37.020 rocket videos i thought okay yeah i'll come back and um and we did get into his hotel room and he

00:14:45.340 did just show me rocket video i think more than the particular activities that he chooses is how

00:14:50.700 he chooses and how he decides what he wants to do and what he believes in, even if no one else in

00:14:58.180 the world sees it, even if everyone else tells him he can't do it, he just does it anyways at a

00:15:05.400 stubbornness in the extreme. He's obviously very intelligent. He's a polymath. He's interested in

00:15:11.020 very many things. He really drills down into every aspect of a company, masters it. But I think the

00:15:17.820 chief characteristic is that he does what people say you cannot do it that way. Now, he's obviously

00:15:23.560 still a team player. There's about 150,000 employees amongst all of his projects, most of

00:15:30.280 them with Tesla. But he is used to hearing the word no and ignoring it. And at this point in

00:15:37.040 time, it would be foolish to bet against him. So how opposite is that? How opposite is he

00:15:43.560 To the world that Zoe Booth from Quillette described, feelings, safety, nurturing, social cohesion, can't we all get along?

00:15:54.520 It's extremely different.

00:15:56.820 In fact, when you disagree, you want to smash the wrong idea and utterly replace it with the right idea.

00:16:03.120 Engineering is not about feelings.

00:16:05.060 It's either right or wrong.

00:16:06.880 That's the big divide.

00:16:08.220 and you can see that aesthetic and i would say sex-based difference in how some people react

00:16:17.620 to elon musk of course there are some men who hate elon musk and some women who love elon musk

00:16:22.700 and what he's doing in his style but i think it's a divide people who want to slow dumb nasa as

00:16:29.960 opposed to this spacex who do you think you are doing something that was a public service it used

00:16:35.140 to be a public space company, NASA. Who are you in your profit-making private company? People who

00:16:41.600 are risk-averse. Is there anyone more risk-oriented than Elon Musk? So much of his pay package, for

00:16:47.940 example, is based on achieving certain milestones, including the shocking milestone of getting one

00:16:52.840 million people to live on Mars. That is literally a milestone he has to achieve before he gets his

00:16:57.960 full pay package at SpaceX. Isn't that amazing? Some people don't like competition. They don't

00:17:04.440 like people who fire staff. Well, that's what Elon Musk does. Some people don't want winners and

00:17:10.600 losers. Can't we all get along? Can't we all compromise? Everyone's a winner. We'll give you

00:17:15.340 a participation medal. That is the exact opposite of what Elon Musk does. People who think there's

00:17:21.980 such a thing as being too rich. Often, I note that the people who say that are pretty rich themselves.

00:17:28.440 They just define too rich as a dollar more than what they have. We talked the other day about that

00:17:32.940 super gross editorial in the Globe and Mail which happens to be owned by Canada's richest man

00:17:38.380 David Thompson some people think you need to have certain political views before you're listened to

00:17:45.560 before you're allowed to operate that's that cancel culture I'm referring to that's how you

00:17:49.680 made a joke at the office and now you're being reported to HR you support Trump you'll be fired

00:17:56.000 That's how it was in Silicon Valley until very recently.

00:17:59.900 So that's one camp versus those who want to do things again.

00:18:04.900 I mean, you can see why Trump and Elon Musk had an affinity.

00:18:09.140 Trump's motto is make America great again.

00:18:12.080 And Elon Musk is basically make anything great again that he puts his mind to, whether it's cars or spaceships.

00:18:18.740 and the words like build explore risk reach aim gamble those are masculine words aren't they and

00:18:28.820 i think what happened when his ipo went public is you had institutions that could see he was

00:18:34.880 really the gateway to ai and the gateway to space and also they had learned by now not to bet

00:18:40.540 against him but in addition to those institutional investors you had a lot of what's called retail

00:18:46.180 investors, ordinary people who invested a thousand bucks, 10,000 bucks, not a billion dollars, but a

00:18:52.400 sliver of that. Ordinary people cheering him on, believing in him and wanting to be a part of it.

00:18:58.360 I think that was a significant investment from ordinary people. I mean, a lot of it was being

00:19:04.060 inspired by the man. Can it happen? Robots, multi-planetary life, who knows? But if anyone

00:19:10.120 can do it, it's Elon Musk who feels like a character out of science fiction. I think it's

00:19:15.580 for boys who dream of spaceships and the girls who do too, but not for the girls who play with 0.73

00:19:21.460 dolls. They typically wind up in HR. Now that said, do you know who the CEO of SpaceX is? It's

00:19:29.460 not Elon Musk. It's Gwynne Shotwell. Well, she's the president and CEO. I think Elon Musk is

00:19:36.000 technically the CEO. She's, pardon me, the president and the COO, the chief operations

00:19:42.200 officer she's the one who focuses on uh spacex all the time when when elon musk is doing other 0.60

00:19:48.480 things so that's obviously a strong woman executive and until recently the ceo of x the

00:19:55.940 social media platform formerly called twitter was linda yaccarino who was appointed by elon musk so

00:20:02.040 there are strong women doing what he does hired by him and let me ask you this if elon musk were

00:20:09.080 liberal, if he were a leftist, if he were a supporter of the Democrats, if his companies

00:20:13.680 had those vibes, do you doubt that everyone would know the name Gwynne Shotwell and Linda

00:20:19.580 Yaccarino? I mean, Gwynne Shotwell, it could be argued, is the most successful president

00:20:25.160 of any company in the world, at least certainly on its trajectory. And of course, she's ignored

00:20:32.920 in the same way that Melania Trump is not allowed to grace the covers of fashion magazines, 1.00

00:20:37.800 even though she's obviously a very beautiful former model because trump is right wing gwynne

00:20:43.500 shotwell and yin linda yaccarino would be famous instead they're just competent i think there

00:20:50.060 ought to be a harmony by the way between yin and yang between feminine and masculine i think

00:20:55.220 obviously you want both it would be very strange to have a masculine man run a child's daycare i

00:21:01.980 think i would find that strange i think there's a reason why women gravitate to fields like nursing

00:21:07.400 in teaching but i think it can get out of balance europe is an example i think of a largely

00:21:13.440 feminized society i think the perfect example is the eu regulation about bottle caps when you undo

00:21:20.180 a bottle cap on a bottle of pop or a bottle of water it stays on you can't take it off because

00:21:25.620 of littering that is the highest heights of european union achievement there's a reason why 0.58

00:21:30.860 all the tech uh energies in the united states um europe is very feminine which is one of the 0.99

00:21:39.720 reasons why it's just being absolutely gutted by an extremely masculine invading army of military 0.65

00:21:49.980 aged male migrants i mean it's just of all the eras for that to happen europe europe is particularly

00:21:58.980 unarmed right now. 72% of French judges are women, and here comes extremely masculine,

00:22:07.240 I would even say misogynist migrants from Arabia and North Africa. 0.98

00:22:13.900 In the meantime, white men are the enemy in the UK in particular. They couldn't be clear about 0.99

00:22:20.700 that. There was this docudrama in the UK called Adolescence that was about violence, and it

00:22:27.540 came out after a series of outrageous knife attacks including the terrible murder of young

00:22:34.520 girls at a taylor swift themed event and there's i mean listen there's there's killings or attempted

00:22:41.540 killings every day in the uk largely by migrants but what made this uh netflix film adolescence so

00:22:48.740 special is that the star of it or the anti-hero in it the violent criminal is a white kid a working 0.96

00:22:56.860 class white clit not a migrant not a black kid not a muslim kid which is the typical phenomenon 0.94

00:23:03.860 in the uk this movie was promoted by the prime minister on down promoted it in schools they 0.98

00:23:09.760 actually convinced netflix to make it free you didn't have to have a subscription the government

00:23:14.980 funded it and promoted it there is a feminization and an anti-male uh aesthetic in the united

00:23:22.980 kingdom. It's more than an aesthetic. Elon Musk is that white kid who isn't buying into the woke

00:23:31.540 feminist limits. By the way, he's born in Africa. He's not taking no for an answer. He's not 0.93

00:23:38.460 accepting the judgment of the blob, of the HR staff, including the kind that we have in Canada

00:23:45.380 and that we have in the UK. For myself, I believe in women and men, but I would never want Elon

00:23:51.900 must to stop his wild dreams and his energetic attempts to make them come true stay with us more

00:24:00.100 ahead one of the things that always struck me about the trucker convoy to ottawa was how residents

00:24:14.220 of downtown ottawa seemed to sneer at the truckers as if how dare you come to our city with your

00:24:21.120 grievances. Don't you honk your horns here. I think part of the burden that goes along with

00:24:27.320 part of the benefit of being the capital city is that you are a place where dissidents, critics,

00:24:32.940 and people who want to petition the government go. And if that means the odd horn being honked,

00:24:38.580 well, that's what happens when you choose to live next to parliament. And so it was

00:24:42.840 a year or so after the trucker convoy, the trucker convoy was in January and February of 2022.

00:24:49.840 in may of 2023 a different group of protesters descended on parliament hill they were part of

00:24:57.360 the campaign life coalition they every year have a protest on parliament hill it's become a tradition

00:25:03.900 actually stretching back decades i remember when i was just a young pup working on parliament hill

00:25:08.820 there they were me in 2023 the uh campaign life coalition folks were told that they would not be

00:25:17.760 allowed to have their signage on Parliament Hill that it offended the rules based on what

00:25:25.480 content you could have. They went to court and three years later, I'm delighted to say they won.

00:25:33.280 Campaign Life Coalition won the right to have their posters. I'm looking at a press release

00:25:38.260 from our friends at the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms. The headline is,

00:25:41.660 court declares parliament hill sign ban breached freedom of expression and joining us now to talk

00:25:49.180 about this his lawyer hatim keir hatim great to see you again hi good to see you too ezra

00:25:54.320 first thing that comes to mind is that sometimes the justice moves slowly three years in this case

00:26:00.040 i i guess you know i mean perhaps the courts were still slow because of the pandemic justice doesn't

00:26:06.080 come quickly. You've got to have some staying power. And in this case, a patient litigation

00:26:12.820 team at the Justice Center, right? Yeah, there were a few different things that all kind of

00:26:18.460 conspired to stretch out the timeline on this one. We initially filed in federal court, and then we

00:26:24.120 had to pivot, refile in the provincial superior court. There's also quite a bit of evidence

00:26:29.580 going back and forth, expert affidavits on both sides. And so that all kind of pushed things

00:26:35.420 forward and then um we had the uh uh the hearing the hearing also got pushed a number of times so

00:26:42.680 it was scheduled for i believe it's october of 2025 uh and then the court had to reschedule us

00:26:48.100 a few times before eventually we got hurt earlier this year well in the end the result was a good

00:26:53.020 one tell me tell me what the form it took because i guess the first question i would have is who

00:26:57.580 made the rules about what signs you can and cannot have and um i suppose the the i mean there's a

00:27:04.820 different police forces that operate in ottawa there's the ottawa police there's the rcmp there's

00:27:09.980 parliament hill police if i'm not mistaken so who made the rules and who enforced them in this case

00:27:15.120 so the rules were made by a group called the commission for the use of parliament hill

00:27:20.780 a bit of an obscure group but essentially it derives its authority from the speakers of both

00:27:27.220 houses of parliament the house of commons and the senate and so they make the rules and then

00:27:33.420 they're enforced by the PPS, which is the Parliamentary Protective Service. And they

00:27:38.940 were the ones that actually interacted with Campaign Life Coalition on the day that they

00:27:43.360 were trying to have the press conference. Well, let me ask you about that, because some things

00:27:47.840 that the Speaker of the House does are not appealable to a judge. In fact, in some ways,

00:27:54.680 the Speaker of the House is a judge, and the Parliament can be a sort of court when you're

00:28:00.200 dealing with matters like parliamentary procedure.

00:28:03.420 So did the Speaker of the House,

00:28:06.900 did the government at all try and say,

00:28:09.360 you're not allowed to challenge this in court

00:28:11.860 because it's all up to us?

00:28:14.080 No, so neither the Speakers nor the Commission

00:28:17.420 for the use of Parliament Hill

00:28:18.560 were actually parties to this case.

00:28:20.020 This case initially arose

00:28:23.860 between Campaign Life Coalition

00:28:26.360 and the Parliamentary Protective Service,

00:28:28.300 which are the ones that actually made the decision affecting Campaign Life Coalition.

00:28:35.520 Ultimately, the judge did end up finding that he wasn't going to strike down any provision of the rules for the use of Parliament Hill

00:28:43.220 because they weren't a party to the case, that is the speakers or the commission.

00:28:48.960 This was despite the parties actually both agreeing to go forward with the case,

00:28:53.540 And neither of them, the PPS didn't take the position that they needed someone else to be a party to defend the case.

00:29:00.340 But nevertheless, what the court did find was that the PPS's interpretation of the rules was unreasonable and their decision infringed the rights of Campaign Life Coalition.

00:29:11.200 okay so if the rules are still there and the police force is still there and really all this

00:29:16.120 was is the cops being told you went too far um i suppose this is just a a caution to them

00:29:23.880 to be more open-minded and more tolerant of of expression in the future i mean it a win is a win

00:29:30.680 and it's much better than a loss but it sounds like um the the same deciders are in place and

00:29:37.520 the same rules are in place it's just sort of a hope that they'll be better what are your thoughts

00:29:42.120 on that well the the positive that comes out of this case is how the rules have to be interpreted

00:29:48.300 going forward so the the rules ban three things uh the images that show excessive blood or violence

00:29:56.680 uh promotion of hatred and obscenity and the last two as you know are criminal offenses

00:30:02.620 uh now strangely enough parliament the parliamentary protective service didn't rely on the first one

00:30:08.540 so it's been floating in the background of this case but it really wasn't there for the court to

00:30:13.200 uh to weigh in on uh rather the the pps argued that the signs promoted hatred

00:30:20.560 and all they yeah and all they did by the way just in case the viewers are unaware is they just

00:30:25.580 showed uh abortion victim photography uh so they they the pps argued they promoted hatred and that

00:30:31.620 they were obscene uh and again for people listening uh obscenity has a a strict definition

00:30:38.300 in the criminal code it requires a depiction of sex along with some other element like criminality

00:30:43.960 or horror something that makes it particularly uh awful uh and obviously that's not what these

00:30:50.080 images depicted uh but the pps took the position that they the rules weren't relying on the criminal

00:30:57.280 code definition, they just relied on a sort of dictionary definition of obscenity, something

00:31:02.480 gross or unpleasant, and the judge rejected that, finding that that was too subjective of a standard

00:31:10.200 by which to limit freedom of expression. And so this is good, because it means that those 0.57

00:31:16.540 provisions, which have a fine place in the rules for the use of Parliament Hill, right, they're

00:31:21.560 criminal offenses, so it's fine for Parliament to prohibit them as well, but they have to actually

00:31:25.440 be interpreted strictly and narrowly so they can't be used in this broad way against uh groups

00:31:30.780 like campaign life coalition or or potentially other groups uh but what the decision does leave

00:31:35.960 um for i guess a future day is what to do with that prohibition on violence and blood right

00:31:42.680 very interesting now who did the government use as their lawyers did they hire private sector

00:31:47.520 lawyers or did they use department of justice lawyers i'm just curious who they put uh on the

00:31:51.580 other side to argue for the censorship yeah they hired uh private lawyers well listen congratulations

00:31:58.460 on a win and i say even if it's a small win even if you move things forward one millimeter that's

00:32:04.160 enormously different morally than losing than being pushed back a centimeter or a mile so

00:32:09.540 congratulations to you guys at the justice center do you think that the government will appeal this

00:32:14.800 have they ran out of time i mean um i'd be surprised if they appealed it but who knows

00:32:19.920 What have they indicated?

00:32:22.280 No indications as of this time.

00:32:24.120 They have not ran out of time yet, so that's still an open question.

00:32:27.600 Well, listen, thanks for giving us the report.

00:32:30.140 Keep up the great work, and I'd call it a victory.

00:32:33.220 I don't know about a huge victory, but certainly a victory for freedom of expression.

00:32:36.840 And thanks for telling us the story.

00:32:38.920 Thanks, Ezra.

00:32:39.760 All right, there he is, Adam Keir from the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom.

00:32:43.440 Stay with us.

00:32:44.280 Your letters to me next.

00:32:49.920 hey welcome back your letters about elon musk julius pf says elon musk typically works between

00:33:00.760 80 and 100 hours per week though he has frequently claimed to ramp his schedule up to 120 hours a

00:33:06.240 week during critical company crises find me a politician or anyone that works more than him

00:33:11.000 yeah i mean and it's not just that he works he works smart he's obviously an inspirer

00:33:16.640 he's someone who motivates others i mean uh it's such an interesting combination he's a founder

00:33:23.260 but he's also a manager typically people who found found a company who started uh over time

00:33:30.000 are replaced by people who can run a company on a ongoing basis but elon musk goes the whole

00:33:36.260 full stack as they would say lsr 40 says socialism is the refuge of envy and jealousy

00:33:42.540 his followers worship entitlement and mediocrity the politics of resentment unite them in victimhood

00:33:48.540 to be successful in life one must admire success may elon continue to go from success to success

00:33:54.660 may we all strive within our own capacities to emulate his example i don't think everyone is

00:34:00.080 built to do what he's doing i think that we can't all be leaders someone has to be a follower some

00:34:05.860 people are temperamentally more suited to that other people have obligations in their life

00:34:10.420 uh that trump that i mean when you're putting as we just heard 100 hours or more into your work

00:34:16.180 obviously other things go to second place um and i think everyone has a choice to make but when we

00:34:22.260 you see someone of such ability who is throwing himself into work how can you not admire that

00:34:28.280 he could as the world's richest man just say goodbye everybody buy an island and live the

00:34:33.400 life of riley but no he he has big plans and if they come true at least he believes they'll

00:34:40.340 make life interplanetary. He thinks that's a very important thing. I don't know if I am as

00:34:46.280 convinced that it's necessary to get people on Mars, but by God, he'll do it if that's the last

00:34:51.540 thing he does. Wintertime says, well, this is likely about money more than anything else as

00:34:57.220 usual. So my take is the Globe and Mail wants to end Elon because X is a threat because more and

00:35:03.140 more people don't pay attention to the Globe and Mail because it's largely fake news. You know,

00:35:07.700 there's a lot to be said for that X and the rest of social media have absolutely devoured the market

00:35:14.660 that used to be forced to watch CBC, CTV, read the globe. So there is jealousy. Absolutely. There is

00:35:22.480 Facebook, Google X, social media has stolen eyeballs from the Globe and Mail. And not just

00:35:30.960 that, but they mock the Globe and Mail. One of my favorite things about Twitter or X is they have

00:35:36.320 something called a community note. So no matter who in the world makes a post on X, anyone can

00:35:41.340 put a community note. It's sort of a back and forth process. So you can correct someone, even

00:35:48.420 if they're a political leader, even if they're a media outlet. Whereas the Globe and Mail, if they

00:35:52.900 commit something wrong, you can write a letter to the editor criticizing them, and maybe they'll

00:35:58.360 publish it in a week or so. But they probably won't if they want to save face. On the internet,

00:36:03.500 they get corrected and chided in real time.

00:36:06.580 And they don't like that.

00:36:07.480 They like the olden days

00:36:08.680 where they told you what to know and what to think

00:36:11.340 and you had a few other choices.

00:36:13.700 Well, that's our show for today.

00:36:15.520 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here

00:36:17.400 at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:36:18.460 to you at home, good night

00:36:19.400 and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - June 16, 2026

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Elon Musk and the clash between masculine ambition and feminized institutions unlisted

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