Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Elon Musk destroys the BBC — and Justin Trudeau destroys another charity

00:00:00.060 Hello, my friends. Boy, I got a couple of great things I want to show you today. First,

00:00:03.660 you've probably seen some clips of it on social media. Elon Musk versus a BBC reporter. What a

00:00:09.260 bloodbath. Just incredible. I'll take you through three different video clips and explain why I

00:00:13.420 think it's just incredible and so encouraging. And Elon Musk, he's not just one of the world's

00:00:18.600 richest men. I think he's one of the world's smartest men. I really do. But then I want to

00:00:22.520 talk to you about Alexandra Trudeau. And I have some proof, some evidence from his own mouth

00:00:28.020 that he is a Chinese government asset. In fact, I'll prove it, that he is personally in the pay

00:00:36.120 of the Chinese Communist Party. You're probably thinking, Ezra, that's not true. Well, stay with

00:00:39.940 me and I'll show it to you. I'd like you to see it with your own eyes. I dug up an old video of him

00:00:46.400 from seven years ago. It's in French. We have a translation of it. But I want you to see it.

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00:01:12.940 bills here. We don't get any money from Trudeau. You know that. All right, here's today's show.

00:01:16.820 Tonight, Elon Musk destroys the BBC and Justin Trudeau destroys another charity. It's April 14th

00:01:26.260 and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:28.720 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:34.100 Hey, I want to talk to you about the latest scandal involving Justin Trudeau, his brother 0.85

00:01:47.460 Alexandra, and of course, big cash from the Communist Party of China. But first, I just

00:01:53.100 can't resist. I have to show you this exchange between Elon Musk and a BBC presenter. That's

00:02:00.500 the British Broadcasting Corporation. It's not even important what the name of the BBC reporter

00:02:07.000 is. I mean, he's what video gamers call an NPC, a non-player character. That's just some

00:02:15.360 unimportant, interchangeable part of the backdrop. A cameo, really. It really is unimportant who

00:02:22.800 he is because they're all this guy. But just watch this deliciousness. I'm going to show

00:02:28.440 you four minutes. But I've never seen it done better. Take a look.

00:02:32.740 I mean, I would only just add that, you know, we have spoken to people who have been sacked

00:02:37.700 that used to be in content moderation. And we've spoken to people very recently who were

00:02:42.520 involved in moderation. And they just say they just there's not enough people to police

00:02:46.460 this stuff, particularly around particularly around hate speech in the company.

00:02:51.240 What hate speech are you talking about? I mean, you use Twitter. Do you see a rise in hate

00:02:56.200 speech? I mean, just a personal anecdote. Like, what do you do? I don't.

00:03:00.520 Personally, for you, I would see I get more of that kind of content, yeah, personally. But

00:03:07.000 I'm not going to talk to the rest of, for the rest of Twitter.

00:03:10.380 You see more hate speech personally?

00:03:12.460 I would say I would see more hateful content in that.

00:03:15.360 Content you don't like or hateful? What do you mean to describe a hateful thing?

00:03:19.240 Yeah, I mean, you know, just content that will solicit a reaction, something that may

00:03:26.000 include something that is slightly racist or slightly sexist, those kinds of those kinds

00:03:30.740 of things. So you think if something is slightly sexist, it should be banned?

00:03:34.560 No, I'm not saying anything. I'm just curious. I'm trying to say what you mean by hateful

00:03:39.300 content. I'm asking for specific examples. And if and you just said that if something is

00:03:46.820 slightly sexist, that's hateful content, does that mean that it should be banned?

00:03:51.540 Well, you've asked me whether my feed, whether it's got less or more, I'd say it's got slightly

00:03:57.380 more. That's what I'm asking for examples. Can you name one example?

00:04:00.980 I honestly don't. You can't name a single example.

00:04:04.460 I'll tell you why, because I don't actually use that for you feed anymore, because I just

00:04:08.060 don't particularly like it. A lot of people are quite similar. I only look at my followers.

00:04:12.220 Well, hang on a second. You said you've seen more hateful content, but you can't name a

00:04:15.540 single example, not even one.

00:04:17.820 I'm not sure I've used that feed for the last three or four weeks.

00:04:21.260 Well, then how did you see that hateful content?

00:04:23.520 Because I've been using Twitter since you've taken it over for the last six months.

00:04:27.120 Okay, so then you must have at some point seen for you hateful content. I'm asking for

00:04:30.860 one example.

00:04:31.620 Right.

00:04:32.100 And you can't give a single one.

00:04:33.040 Then I say so that you don't know what you're talking about.

00:04:37.120 Really?

00:04:37.820 Yes, because you can't give me a single example of hateful content, not even one tweet, and

00:04:43.080 yet you claimed that the hateful content was high.

00:04:45.540 Well.

00:04:46.400 That's a false.

00:04:47.540 No, what I claim.

00:04:48.360 You just lied.

00:04:49.040 No, what I claim was there are many organizations that say that that kind of information is on

00:04:55.820 the rise. Now, whether it has a my feed or not.

00:04:58.600 Give me one example.

00:04:59.220 I mean, right.

00:05:00.020 Literally can't name one.

00:05:00.880 And then, like, the Strategic Dialogue Institute in the UK, they will say that.

00:05:06.480 Look, people will say all sorts of nonsense.

00:05:08.700 I'm literally asking for a single example, and you can't name one.

00:05:11.460 Right.

00:05:11.760 And as I've already said, I don't use that feed.

00:05:14.100 But then how would you know?

00:05:15.040 I don't think this is getting anywhere.

00:05:16.040 You literally said you experienced more hateful content and then couldn't name a single

00:05:20.340 example.

00:05:20.840 Right.

00:05:21.040 And as I said, I haven't actually looked at that feed.

00:05:25.000 Then how would you know there's hateful content?

00:05:26.360 Because I'm saying that's what I saw a few weeks ago.

00:05:29.360 I can't give you an exact example.

00:05:30.860 Let's move on.

00:05:31.940 We only have a certain amount of time.

00:05:34.560 Well, COVID misinformation.

00:05:37.660 Amazing.

00:05:38.540 You've changed the COVID misinformation.

00:05:40.120 Has BBC changed this COVID misinformation?

00:05:43.140 The BBC does not set the rules on Twitter.

00:05:45.580 So I'm asking you.

00:05:46.360 No, I'm talking about the BBC's misinformation about COVID.

00:05:52.820 I'm literally asking you about you change the labels, the COVID misinformation labels.

00:05:57.040 There used to be a policy and then it then disappeared.

00:06:02.020 Why do that?

00:06:05.960 Well, COVID is no longer an issue.

00:06:08.760 Does the BBC hold itself at all responsible for misinformation regarding masking and side

00:06:20.280 effects of vaccinations and not reporting on that at all?

00:06:25.680 And what about the fact that the BBC was put under pressure by the British government to

00:06:30.100 change its editorial policy?

00:06:31.360 Are you aware of that?

00:06:33.300 This is not an interview about the BBC.

00:06:36.520 Oh, you thought it wasn't?

00:06:37.160 I see now why you've done Twitter spaces.

00:06:40.800 I am not a representative of the BBC's editorial policy.

00:06:43.460 I want to make that clear.

00:06:44.660 Let's talk about something else.

00:06:45.580 I'm interviewing you too.

00:06:46.740 All right.

00:06:47.060 Let's talk about something else.

00:06:49.000 You weren't expecting that.

00:06:50.040 Let's talk about something else.

00:06:50.960 The guy was lying.

00:06:52.620 Oh, I've seen hate speech.

00:06:54.060 Really?

00:06:54.380 Can you give an example?

00:06:57.040 No, I haven't looked at it in a while.

00:06:58.660 Well, you just said you saw it.

00:07:00.380 No, no, no.

00:07:01.000 Someone else said it. 1.00

00:07:02.680 What an absolute liar. 0.97

00:07:04.640 There were some other interesting things there, too. 0.97

00:07:08.520 The NBC reporter was delighted by the fact that Twitter's not doing well.

00:07:14.360 But actually, it sounds like it's getting on track again, like it might even be cash flow

00:07:19.320 positive soon.

00:07:20.140 Take a listen to this.

00:07:21.020 How is it going?

00:07:24.760 Is Twitter in profit now?

00:07:27.060 No, Twitter is roughly break-even at this point.

00:07:32.220 And I think you've said before, you see a world where you could be in profit.

00:07:38.260 Is there a timeline on that, do you think?

00:07:40.400 I mean, depending on how things go, if current trends continue, I think we could be profitable

00:07:46.420 or, I mean, to be more precise, we could be cash flow positive this quarter if things

00:07:55.540 keep going well.

00:07:57.240 This quarter?

00:07:58.120 As soon as that?

00:07:59.100 Possibly, yeah.

00:08:00.300 Wow.

00:08:00.760 It's quite something to be lectured to by the BBC, which costs, I think it's three billion

00:08:05.540 pounds a year to British taxpayers.

00:08:07.720 It'd be like someone at the CBC asking a private businessman about their finances.

00:08:12.760 Yeah, not all of us get free government money, mate.

00:08:15.880 And this is one of the parts I like the best about the exchange.

00:08:19.580 You know, on Twitter, there's sometimes a blue checkmark.

00:08:22.480 They call it a verification badge, which is you are who you say you are.

00:08:26.160 And you can understand why that would be necessary for a celebrity or even a political figure

00:08:30.960 so that there couldn't be impersonators.

00:08:33.740 If you have the blue checkmark, you are who you say you are.

00:08:36.480 I have a blue checkmark and many others at Rebel News do.

00:08:39.960 But it's not just for verifications, for validation.

00:08:43.360 Because it was taken away from people as a punishment.

00:08:47.160 How is taking away their verification a punishment?

00:08:49.720 If they are who they are, don't you want the world to know?

00:08:52.440 But Twitter would use the blue checkmark as a sign of status, not verification of your

00:08:57.600 ID to prove you're not faking it.

00:08:59.460 But that they like you.

00:09:00.860 And it became very political.

00:09:02.520 And of course, people loved their coveted blue checkmarks.

00:09:05.300 I heard stories of people paid bribes to get them.

00:09:08.020 But why shouldn't ordinary people be able to verify their identity?

00:09:13.180 And why did you have to be some woke leftist?

00:09:15.480 Well, Elon Musk absolutely delighted from the fact that there's a lot of pouting going on

00:09:21.840 from blue checkmarks who no longer feel special because perhaps a blue checkmark wasn't earned

00:09:28.180 or other people could simply buy them now.

00:09:31.380 Take a look at this exchange.

00:09:32.920 If we're talking about the media, let's talk about verification labels.

00:09:37.760 You obviously want to create another revenue stream that's subscription-based.

00:09:41.780 Is verification the way to do that?

00:09:44.480 Because we have a kind of a situation at the moment where the New York Times doesn't have

00:09:48.200 a verified badge.

00:09:49.660 Whereas anyone else who can pay whatever few bucks a month can.

00:09:53.580 Is that what you envisaged when you bought Twitter?

00:09:58.140 I must confess to some delight in removing the verified badge from the New York Times.

00:10:02.920 That was great.

00:10:07.260 Anyway, they're still alive and well.

00:10:09.240 So they're doing fine.

00:10:11.820 But on a serious note, it could flame disinformation again if you have verified accounts that are

00:10:18.520 from anyone who can pay money.

00:10:20.120 They simply go up to potentially the top of feeds.

00:10:23.600 They get more action on Twitter.

00:10:25.520 And traditional media that may not pay for verification doesn't.

00:10:29.760 Do you see how that could potentially be a driver of misinformation?

00:10:34.660 Well, I mean, I think the media is a driver of misinformation much more than the media would

00:10:39.000 like to admit that they are.

00:10:40.860 I mean, that's a different question.

00:10:41.920 Yeah, but you are sort of saying, like, who knows best?

00:10:47.260 The average citizen or, you know, someone who is a journalist?

00:10:53.280 And I think in a lot of cases, it is the average citizen that knows more than the journalist.

00:10:58.700 In fact, I mean, very often when I see an article about something that I know a lot about,

00:11:05.180 and I read the article, and it's like, they get a lot wrong.

00:11:11.180 And, you know, sort of the best interpretation is there is someone who doesn't really understand

00:11:15.480 what's going on in the industry, has only a few facts to play with, has to come up with an article.

00:11:21.220 It's going to be, you know, it's not going to hit the bullseye.

00:11:24.260 Okay. So then, like, generally, this is how I explain this to other people.

00:11:29.700 If you read an article about something that you know about, how accurate is that article?

00:11:34.420 Now, imagine that that is how essentially all articles are.

00:11:39.220 They're an approximation of what's going on, but not an exact situation.

00:11:44.440 So if somebody is actually, let's say, in the fray or like an expert in the field and was actually there

00:11:52.940 and writes about their experience of being actually there, I think that actually, that's, in a lot of cases,

00:12:00.820 going to be better than a journalist because the journalist wasn't there.

00:12:03.480 I think he's exactly right.

00:12:05.080 I mean, I know in my life when I have firsthand experience of something and then it's in the news,

00:12:11.240 I always notice errors. Sometimes they're small and accidental. Sometimes they're large.

00:12:16.480 Elon Musk is the center of so much news that he surely every day encounters stories where he was

00:12:22.280 at the center of the thing that was reported. And he says almost every time they get it wrong,

00:12:28.300 he says that ordinary people know better. Now, I don't think he means a random ordinary person,

00:12:33.460 but I think he means if you crowdsource your information, you're going to find a better expert.

00:12:38.780 I don't know if you remember when Dan Rather falsely broadcast that George W. Bush,

00:12:45.640 some documents involving George W. Bush, and he showed them. And it was an ordinary viewer who said,

00:12:51.960 hey, I know a lot about typefaces and fonts and typography. And that alleged document was made

00:12:58.280 with WordPerfect, not a typewriter 40 years ago. And that's what I mean by crowdsourcing intelligence.

00:13:06.280 And I think that's what Elon Musk means also. I love the exchange. You can watch the whole thing

00:13:11.440 online if you want. I think it was the best thing I've seen on British TV since the slaughter

00:13:17.880 of Kathy Newman versus Dr. Jordan Peterson on Channel 4. It was an extended interview. I still remember it

00:13:25.660 like it was yesterday. I want to show you a highlight reel. There's a little bit of editorial

00:13:30.940 license, an artistic license taken in this editorial reel. But you might remember the exchange.

00:13:36.720 Kathy Newman was flummoxed again and again by George W. Actually, there's so many different

00:13:41.300 clips. I'll just show you one of them. He would say something very reasonable. And then she,

00:13:47.380 wanting to debate a straw man, would say, so you mean to say and then describe it in the most

00:13:52.240 bizarre way possible? And this one, it was just golden TV. Anyway, here's just a quick clip to remind

00:13:56.960 you about what that was. Let me move on to another debate that's been very controversial for you.

00:14:03.300 And this is, you got in trouble for refusing to call trans men and women by their preferred

00:14:07.980 personal pronouns. No, that's not actually true. I got in trouble because I said I would not follow

00:14:14.680 the compelled speech dictates of the federal and provincial government. I actually never got in

00:14:19.100 trouble for not calling anyone anything. That didn't happen. You wouldn't follow the change of

00:14:24.100 law which was designed to outlaw discrimination. Not once it was law. No, no. Well, that's what

00:14:28.480 they said it was designed to do. Okay. You cited freedom of speech in that. Why should your right

00:14:33.380 to freedom of speech trump a trans person's right not to be offended?

00:14:40.660 Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive. I mean, look at the

00:14:45.880 conversation we're having right now. You know, like you're certainly willing to risk offending me

00:14:50.160 in the pursuit of truth. Why should you have the right to do that? It's been rather uncomfortable.

00:14:55.800 Well, I'm very glad I put you on the spot.

00:14:58.400 Well, you get my point. You get my point. It's like you're doing what you should do,

00:15:03.780 which is digging a bit to see what the hell's going on. And that is what you should do. But

00:15:07.640 you're exercising your freedom of speech to certainly risk offending me. And that's fine.

00:15:12.560 I think more power to you as far as I'm concerned. So you haven't sat there and I'm just trying to work

00:15:20.860 that out. I mean... Ha, gotcha. You have got me. You have got me. I'm trying to work that through

00:15:27.380 my head. Yeah, yeah. It took a while. It took a while. It did. It did. Yeah. It took a while.

00:15:31.300 You have voluntarily come into the studio and agreed to be questioned. A trans person in your class

00:15:38.300 has come to your class and said they want to be called she. That's never happened. And I would

00:15:42.480 call them she. So you would. So you've kind of changed your tune on that. No. No, I said that 0.91

00:15:46.440 right from the beginning. What I said at the beginning was that I was not going to cede the

00:15:51.320 linguistic territory to radical leftists, regardless of whether or not it was put in law. That's what I

00:15:57.260 said. And then the people who came after me said, well, you must be transphobic and you'd mistreat a

00:16:01.940 student in your class. It's like, I never mistreated a student in my class. I'm not transphobic. And that isn't

00:16:07.000 what I said. Yeah. Jordan Peterson's pretty smart cookie. Elon Musk is the world's richest man by

00:16:12.620 many calculations. I think he's probably one of the world's smartest men also. So don't go tangling

00:16:19.500 with Elon Musk too. I mean, seriously, do your homework first before you take a run at him,

00:16:25.160 especially if you're saying, I saw hateful tweets. You better be able to define them. Oh, something that

00:16:31.100 was slightly sexist. That's just crazy. Okay. Thanks for letting me talk to you about Elon Musk. I think

00:16:35.920 he's a very interesting person. No person is perfect. And as the good book says, put not your

00:16:40.420 trust in princes, but I think he has done more good for freedom of speech in the last five years

00:16:46.040 than anyone else in the world. And I think he's done so rather selflessly. Of course, he does intend

00:16:51.140 to make money out of it and good for him. All right, back to Canada. I, um, I want to start by

00:16:58.100 showing you this article from a couple of days ago in the Globe and Mail headline, Trudeau Foundation to

00:17:03.560 review donation from benefactors in China. Oh, really? So they're going to review their own

00:17:09.120 review, which they already reviewed and said they're just fine. Let me read though.

00:17:13.900 Because this is after the entire board quit. The Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation is planning an

00:17:19.940 outside review of a controversial Beijing linked donation after concerns were raised internally

00:17:25.640 about possible wrongdoing. Oh, whoa. Hang on. I thought that Gerald Buds and Justin Trudeau said this

00:17:32.560 was all false accusations from conservative MPs. Let me keep reading. Conversations with four key

00:17:39.620 people associated with the Trudeau Foundation show an organization bitterly divided over how to handle

00:17:45.080 the 2016 gift, which the Globe and Mail reported in late February came from the government of China

00:17:50.720 as part of an influence operation to curry favor with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

00:17:55.340 The Globe is not identifying the sources because they were not authorized to discuss internal

00:17:59.760 Trudeau Foundation matters. Huh. That's so curious because the liberals said it was outsiders

00:18:05.660 smearing the Trudeau Foundation. I mean, that's what Trudeau himself said, right?

00:18:10.220 Mr. Trudeau, Catherine Ellsworth with Global News here. This is in regards to a Trudeau Foundation

00:18:14.980 question. The entire board and the CEO of the foundation resigned this morning. They cited the recent

00:18:21.640 politicization of their work. Are you concerned about the long-term stability of the organization

00:18:26.800 and that the fallout from allegations of foreign interference is extending beyond your government?

00:18:33.500 As you well know, the Trudeau Foundation is a foundation with which I have absolutely no

00:18:41.860 intersection. It was established to promote knowledge and academic research into the humanities

00:18:49.640 studies following the death of my father and has had an extraordinary impact on academic institutions

00:18:57.640 and on, you know, brilliant Canadians. It is a shame to see the level of toxicity and political polarization

00:19:08.040 that is going on in our country these days, but I am certain that the Trudeau Foundation will be able

00:19:15.880 to continue to ensure that research into the social studies and humanities at the highest levels across

00:19:23.160 Canadian academic institutions continues for many years to come. He says it's toxic accusations. I love

00:19:29.640 that word. It's always gaslighting. It's always projecting. It's always accusing your opponents

00:19:34.680 of what you yourself did when it comes to Trudeau. You know, Alan Rock, the old Liberal Cabinet

00:19:39.880 cabinet minister, he bizarrely got into it too. What's he doing here? Take a look.

00:19:47.160 I'm sad and frankly, I'm angry at the nature of the attacks being made against the foundation these

00:19:52.760 days. I was going to ask you because you seem to come to it with a lot of emotion. I can tell you're

00:19:56.840 attached to the concept. So what has been going through your mind as you're kind of reading these

00:20:03.160 details emerging and also the reaction to it? Well, I guess I respond on two levels. First of all,

00:20:08.840 there's Pierre Polyev. I think we're learning more about him than we are about the Trudeau Foundation

00:20:13.480 as a result of the nature of these attacks. The attacks are ignorant, irresponsible, highly partisan, 0.99

00:20:20.760 and typical of Polyev and the way he does business. It's sad to see politics descend to this level. 0.97

00:20:27.480 I mean, I spent 10 years over there. I'm no babe in the woods when it comes to politics,

00:20:32.520 but I know a smarmy, glib snake oil salesman when I see one and it's Pierre Polyev. Nothing

00:20:39.400 positive to offer, no vision for the country, just being critical. His real target here, Vashi,

00:20:44.760 is Justin Trudeau. The Trudeau Foundation is collateral damage and it's important damage.

00:20:50.840 I can tell you as someone who is the president of one of Canada's biggest universities for eight years,

00:20:55.640 the Trudeau Foundation is a hugely important landmark in Canadian academics, in Canadian,

00:21:03.960 the life, the intellectual life of this country. Do you know that there are hundreds of young

00:21:10.040 Canadians who've benefited from the scholarships, the fellowships, the mentorships? I don't think

00:21:15.320 Polyev knows what the foundation does. And if he did, he should be ashamed of himself. I've met

00:21:23.320 students who applied for scholarships. I've been a reference for them. These are kids who, many of

00:21:29.560 whom came from nothing, who have massive student debts, but who want the scholarship because it opens up

00:21:34.920 the world to them, gives them a chance to continue their studies as part of an intellectual network

00:21:41.880 across Canada and around the world. It's an invaluable resource for this country. And one more thing,

00:21:47.560 if I may, it's hardly partisan. I mentioned the all-party support in the House when we introduced the bill.

00:21:53.480 Its board of directors over the years has included Bill Davis, Peter Lougheed, Roy Romano, hardly liberal

00:22:00.840 stalwarts. Why would he suddenly weigh in on this? Is he worried that something will come to light?

00:22:06.840 I bet he's been involved in that kind of stuff. Why else would he come forward like that?

00:22:11.000 Out of the blue, so long in obscurity. I bet there's a lot of liberals worried.

00:22:16.520 I told you the other day about the structural weirdness of the Trudeau Foundation. It's a

00:22:21.240 charity that was given, I think it was $125 million in advance, like a lifetime's worth of revenue in

00:22:29.800 advance. Who does that? I've never heard of that in my life. Who pays an organization a lifetime's worth

00:22:34.840 of cash before they've done anything? You don't pay 10 years of rent in advance. What if there's a

00:22:42.520 problem along the way? What if you want to move? You don't subscribe to a newspaper for 10 years in

00:22:46.600 advance. You pay monthly or yearly. Who gives nine figures in advance? And then, this is the craziest

00:22:53.560 part, hardwires the organization, the corporation, so that the family and its heirs and successors

00:23:00.360 are the directors literally hardwired to favor a particular family by name in perpetuity.

00:23:07.800 Because you think he's some lord or something? Gee, I wonder why this turned into a money laundering

00:23:13.340 slush fund for the Trudeaus. They were copying Wee charity. Remember the Kielbergers? And Kielberger 1.00

00:23:19.400 and Trudeau were friends. I wonder who corrupted whom? And just like that Wee charity that was fun,

00:23:26.020 you know, it was a fund for the benefit of Craig Kielberger and his family. Same with the money laundering.

00:23:30.360 Operation here. Let me quote a little bit more from the Globe story.

00:23:34.600 The agreement with the two Chinese businessmen who initially took credit for the donation was signed

00:23:38.720 by Alexandre Trudeau, brother of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and a foundation board member at the

00:23:43.640 time. The other signatories were then University of Montreal rector Guy Breton and then school dean

00:23:50.320 Jean-François Gaudreau-des-Biens. University spokesperson Geneviève O'Meara said,

00:23:56.900 So Alexander Trudeau took care of the donation. That's odd. For him to be right in the middle

00:24:06.060 of the money, but just for this Chinese money. It's a bit odd, isn't it? Because Trudeau said there

00:24:11.380 was no family connection. Didn't he say that? No connection. He said that. He always lies, doesn't

00:24:18.860 he? Remember when the Globe and Mail, the same reporters actually, broke the news that Jody Wilson-Raybould

00:24:24.900 was fired as justice minister for not going along with some Montreal corruption. Remember Trudeau's

00:24:30.240 first response to that? Did you or anyone in your office pressure the former attorney general to

00:24:35.580 abandon the prosecution of SNC-Lavalin? The allegations in the Globe story this morning

00:24:41.920 are false. Neither the current nor the previous attorney general was ever directed by me or by anyone

00:24:50.740 in my office to take a decision in this matter. Yeah, he's a liar. It's just a lie. I think the 0.99

00:24:57.900 Globe and Mail reporters are onto him now. But let me show you a few things that I happen to know about

00:25:04.140 Alexander Trudeau. I mean, why would he accept the check? That's something that an administrator or a

00:25:09.920 development officer would do. Isn't that something an accountant would do, for staff to do? Why did

00:25:15.240 Alexander Trudeau do? Well, here's some clues. Remember I mentioned that Alexander Trudeau,

00:25:20.260 Justin Trudeau's brother, was his policy advisor during Trudeau's leadership run?

00:25:26.160 So he was whispering in Trudeau's ear the whole time. Well, he literally had the dictatorship of

00:25:31.680 China publish his book. In fact, they were the ones who suggested, suggested that he write a book

00:25:39.520 about China. I wonder how much they paid him. You look at this interview on CPAC. It's in French,

00:25:45.040 but we're going to air the original translation. Listen to how the book came about. Alexander Trudeau

00:25:51.960 did not plan to write a book about China. He was told to write a book about China by the dictatorship

00:25:58.200 of China that published it. Take a look. The book now, Being a Barbarian in China,

00:26:06.660 in the new China. So why the book and why that title? Well, the book itself,

00:26:11.360 it is sort of an organic phenomenon. The Chinese wanted to write a book on my father's visit to

00:26:20.120 China, and they asked me to write. This was in 60, and they asked me to write the preface,

00:26:24.340 and the Canadian edition was published in Vancouver. They published it, so they asked me

00:26:28.660 to write a longer preface, and I said, fine, but I would like to go back to China and get into

00:26:34.660 things, rediscover the country. And when I went there, I found I had so many things to say that

00:26:40.200 they said, well, we can't put that in a preface, so we'll put it in a section. And actually,

00:26:45.800 we'd like you to write a full book on it. Well, that was the pretext, but the idea is that

00:26:51.200 China, for someone like me, who was involved in geopolitics for quite a long time, just can't

00:26:57.620 avoid China, which plays now a very important role. Did you know that? That China itself pushed 0.99

00:27:03.540 Trudeau to write this propaganda book? The year this happened was 2016, the same year as the big

00:27:08.560 cash gift that Alexandre himself signed for. What other money changed hands? How much did he get paid

00:27:15.940 for this book? And he wasn't just happy to write for them a book that, let's be honest, few people

00:27:21.800 would have read. But then he went on a propaganda tour for the Chinese government. Here's Ottawa

00:27:27.600 Magazine at the time. I'm still an outsider there, a barbarian, but what China has given me is a 0.59

00:27:35.280 perspective on the West. From China, it's much easier to understand the West. I now look at our

00:27:40.940 own freedoms with a little more circumspection and consider some of the irresponsible nature

00:27:45.300 of some of the freedoms we enjoy. I think China has a lot to say, especially old China. 0.97

00:27:50.120 Hey guys, did you know that it's irresponsible to be free? That's what the Communist Party of China

00:27:55.440 has taught him. And this propaganda was given by Alexandra to Justin Trudeau right before Justin

00:28:03.200 Trudeau's state visit to China. Let me read the story. It was published by Yahoo. He read it a week

00:28:09.360 before he left for China and he told me it helped him get up to speed in what to think and feel about

00:28:14.560 China. So that $200,000 gift to the Trudeau Foundation was to literally place their asset,

00:28:21.540 Alexandra, right inside the inner circle. Trudeau's family. It was so gross. People started to notice.

00:28:29.260 This is from the Montrealer online. Is Sasha Trudeau, that's Alexandra's nickname, perhaps,

00:28:36.140 just maybe, an apologist for the Communist Party of China? He openly discusses the question in the book.

00:28:42.380 He doesn't believe China could have come so far so quickly without the unity and organizational power

00:28:48.460 the CPC has provided. The Chinese story, especially the recent one over the last 30 to 40 years,

00:28:54.080 is perhaps the greatest success story in human history in terms of the amount of wealth created.

00:28:59.020 Did you know that? Yeah. So we've had a lot of news about Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden being in

00:29:05.980 the pay of Chinese dictators and Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs. That's big news.

00:29:13.060 But don't you think it's bigger news here in Canada, at least, that Justin Trudeau's own brother,

00:29:17.340 Alexandra, was and probably still is a Chinese asset? I'm not sure which is more scandalous, that 1.00

00:29:25.040 the fact that a nine-figure slush fund has been used at his family's own corrupt piggy bank. Stay with us for more.

00:29:40.340 I want to tell you about someone I discovered on Twitter, one of the most interesting and

00:29:45.640 thought-provoking commentators there is. Her name is Xi Van Fleet, and she's an immigrant to the United States

00:29:53.760 from the People's Republic of China. And one of the reasons I like to follow her is because she draws

00:30:01.760 comparisons between Mao's cultural revolution some 50-odd years ago and the woke cultural revolution

00:30:11.080 in North America today. I followed her on Twitter, and finally, we reached out and said, hey, can we talk to you

00:30:17.700 on our show? And she said yes. And she joins us now via Skype from Logan County, Virginia. What a pleasure to meet

00:30:25.320 Xi Van Fleet. Thank you for taking the time to meet with us today.

00:30:30.500 Thank you for finding me on Twitter.

00:30:32.680 Well, that's the amazing thing about it. You can make all sorts of allies. Now, you were just telling me before we turned

00:30:38.060 the cameras on that you got involved politically in America over the schooling issue. You're in

00:30:44.780 Virginia, and there was a bit of a parents' rebellion in that state. And I think it's one of the reasons why 0.81

00:30:50.280 that state now has a Republican governor, because the battleground was the classroom. Could you tell us

00:30:57.040 just for a minute about that? Why did you get involved? And what did you learn from the great battle

00:31:03.620 over schools in Virginia? Yes. I was involved because I could not sit aside no longer. It was 2020

00:31:15.200 when I finally said, enough is enough. This is cultural revolution that I experienced when I was

00:31:22.580 a schoolgirl in China. So I decided to get involved. So I joined the local Loudoun County Republic

00:31:32.900 Committee and then Republican Women's Club. And that's when I got started. And we went to school board and

00:31:41.560 where I delivered a one-minute speech and went viral. That's how I started.

00:31:49.600 Well, I think one of the interesting things about the lockdowns, and we had terrible lockdowns here in

00:31:54.880 Canada and schools were shut down for so long. I think that parents saw what was going on in the

00:32:00.980 classroom because the computer was on by Zoom. And so a lot of parents who really weren't that familiar

00:32:07.740 with what was going on from, you know, 9 to 3.30 every day at school suddenly saw, oh my gosh,

00:32:14.360 is this what you learn all the time? Was that what happened to you or did you get involved in another

00:32:19.020 way? Because I think a lot of people were startled to see what was actually being taught in class.

00:32:24.360 What was your story?

00:32:26.120 And that's really what started all of us, the parents. And there was a video and it's a Zoom

00:32:33.180 class video of a teacher asking a young black student and presented a photo of a black girl and a white

00:32:43.420 girl asked him to describe the photo. And he said, well, two girls. And then the teacher pushed him.

00:32:50.420 And finally, the teacher said, you're not being honest. It's a black girl and a white girl. And this

00:32:56.840 student was so smart. He recorded it and then gave it to the Republican Women's Club leader. And then

00:33:07.140 it went viral. And it is an example of how teachers push critical race theory to their students.

00:33:16.320 That's very interesting. Good for him for holding the line. Now, I didn't know that about your past,

00:33:24.340 but that's a very exciting way to get a very meaningful way to get involved in public life.

00:33:28.760 I mean, there's nothing more important than our kids in our schools. But one of the things I find

00:33:33.100 fascinating is that you are drawing comparisons between the cultural revolution in China and the

00:33:39.600 extreme revisionism. We were talking about this on the show the other day, the four olds

00:33:45.320 that were banned, old ideas, old culture, old customs, old habits. They would smash anything

00:33:50.780 old. Chinese history. They would smash the church. They would smash any other source of authority. 0.99

00:33:57.680 I follow you on Twitter and I find it fascinating to see you juxtapose that ideological cult, that

00:34:04.860 Maoist cult with what's going on in North America today. Can you talk a little bit about that? First

00:34:11.160 of all, let me ask you, did you experience that cultural revolution when you were a young person

00:34:17.620 in China? Maybe you can start off by telling us a bit about that and then the comparison.

00:34:23.500 I absolutely experienced the entire cultural revolution. When it started, I was in my second

00:34:29.380 semester of my first grade and my entire school years was in the cultural revolution. And after that,

00:34:40.720 after I graduated from high school and Mao sent all of us, the urban youth to the countryside

00:34:47.180 to continue our education, it's called re-education by the peasants. So I worked in the fields for three

00:34:54.480 years before Mao died. After that, I was able to go to college. So I absolutely had my youth taken, my childhood

00:35:06.560 and my youth taken away by Mao. Well, I saw everything.

00:35:11.020 Let's start with the younger grades.

00:35:13.020 So I presume that before the cultural revolution, you would have learned the same things that

00:35:18.680 kids, I suppose, learn elsewhere, you know, how to read and write and Chinese history and,

00:35:24.820 and I suppose normal things that a kid in grade one in China would do. What were you taught once the

00:35:31.440 cultural revolution came in? Were you still taught spelling, or I guess it's not spelling, to draw the,

00:35:36.960 the Chinese characters? Were you still taught calligraphy and history or was it all politics?

00:35:43.900 What, what did you learn in grade one, two, three, when you were a kid in China?

00:35:48.900 It is important to understand that before the cultural revolution, there were many,

00:35:55.120 many cultural revolutions. Ever since 1949, when the communist party took over China, the school turned

00:36:04.360 into an indoctrination mill, but it was still relatively reasonable. So I remember my first semester

00:36:12.800 in school, it was just normal with learning, even though there's a lot of socialist and communist

00:36:21.260 narratives, but still kind of normal mass reading and, uh, and writing. And I remember some just

00:36:29.380 harmless, beautiful lines from my, uh, Chinese textbooks, such as, uh, the little creek was,

00:36:36.500 the water was running in the little creek, hua-la-la, hua-la-la, just, you know, just description of the

00:36:42.300 sound. And, uh, after the cultural revolution, that's too bourgeois. That is, uh, not political

00:36:50.640 enough. So everything was abandoned or textbooks were destroyed. And so for about, uh, a year or

00:36:58.760 so, we have no textbooks. Only thing we had is Mao's little red book. That's all we did in the class.

00:37:06.240 We, we, we read it, we recite it. We even send songs because all those quotations were set into music.

00:37:14.880 And that's all we did. And, uh, uh, reading it. And, uh, and then we have a mini class, uh, uh,

00:37:23.000 struggle session. Uh, I don't know if people, uh, realize what it is. A struggle session is basically,

00:37:29.320 um, the little kids sit together and we will do criticism and self-criticism according to what we

00:37:37.720 learned from the Mao's little red book. And we'd say something like that, you know, according to Mao's

00:37:42.440 instruction, I did not do well this way, that way. And the other kids said, yes, you're right.

00:37:47.940 You did not do this. We're right. And that we're right. So that's kind of like a mini, uh, struggle

00:37:53.040 session. But in reality, the adult world, that was brutal. That was a red guard, um, getting those 0.95

00:38:01.880 people on stage, condemn them and, uh, sometimes torture, sometimes just kill them right on the spot. 1.00

00:38:08.400 Oh my God. Now, of course, when you're a very young child, I suppose the criticism of you and 0.96

00:38:14.960 the self-criticism, it would most likely be trivial things. I don't know. Maybe they asked you about

00:38:20.160 the wealth of your family or something. Maybe you were being criticized for that, but I am somewhat

00:38:25.660 familiar with the struggle sessions that were for adults and where people had to self-denounce and

00:38:31.400 wear signs, shaming themselves in dunce hats. I saw the book and I, and I have it and I've done a show

00:38:37.720 on a before called Red Color News Soldier by a Chinese communist, uh, uh, soldier who was

00:38:45.640 an official photographer. And he took thousands of pictures in Heilongjiang of the Cultural Revolution

00:38:51.220 and just shocking images. Um, they would have show trials. And if, if you didn't denounce

00:38:56.900 yourself, I remember there was just one haunting picture of, they stuffed a glove in one guy's

00:39:02.100 mouth because he wanted to protest his innocence. They wanted to shut him up at his own trial.

00:39:07.380 Yeah. And did you, did you see any of that kind of a thing?

00:39:10.900 I, okay. I just want to add to what you said. There was another picture of, uh, Red Guards,

00:39:16.860 um, put the hay, the grass, the hay in someone's mouth while denouncing this guy. No, I've seen

00:39:25.360 that. I've, I've, I've seen different things. I've seen the struggle session for the, uh, governor

00:39:30.820 of my province. So, because he was. So even a powerful governor would tumble before the Red

00:39:39.360 Guards and the Red Guards were the youth wing, right? Yeah. That is really what Cultural Revolution

00:39:45.040 is about. It's Mao using the youth, the Red Guard to get down, to take down his political enemies,

00:39:54.600 which is pretty much the entire communist bureaucracy. Wow. So no one was immune. In fact,

00:40:05.420 the more powerful you were, the more at risk you were because you were a political rival. And so

00:40:11.860 instead of having other political rivals in their 30, 40, 50, 60s, or 70s, he would go to the youth

00:40:19.140 because they would just recite these things by rote. It would, it really would be a cult like

00:40:24.540 uh, you know, there'd be trances. They would be things they would just repeat. Uh, so it was

00:40:30.520 sort of flipping the world on its head, wasn't it? The children were the dictators in the Red

00:40:35.140 Guard. Is that an accurate thing to say? That's exactly what happened then. And that's exactly

00:40:41.000 what's happening here in America and in Canada. They use the young people. They indoctrinated those 0.57

00:40:47.800 young people. And Mao, um, really it's getting rid of his enemy. He could not use better tool than the

00:40:55.680 young people. He gave them full power. He, uh, did, uh, not defund, but he just, uh, really smashed 0.56

00:41:02.720 what the word is smashed, the critical, uh, no, the, uh, criminal justice, um, uh, system. So the police

00:41:10.520 were all sent to the countryside and exiled and the, uh, the Red Guards were giving full

00:41:16.400 power to do whatever, including killing. So at first it was like a verbal, uh, abuse,

00:41:23.400 kind of like a what's going on today in America, but quickly it turned into violence. And that's

00:41:30.400 where we see it now. Wow. It's no longer just a shouting. It started, we started to say intimidation

00:41:36.960 and the violence. That's absolutely the repeat. That is terrifying. Now I see you've written an

00:41:43.280 essay on Fox news.com. The headline is I survived Mao's regime. Now China is using Tik TOK to poison 0.88

00:41:50.960 our kids. And one of the criticisms I've heard of the Tik TOK app is that it's actually spyware,

00:41:57.940 that it, it captures everything about the user, your location, uh, your contacts, your, you know,

00:42:05.740 it records your gestures, your eye movement. It's a total awareness, not just a camera,

00:42:11.620 everything. And then that of course all goes through China where under Chinese law,

00:42:15.900 they must make it available to the security services. So I always thought of it as a spyware

00:42:20.460 problem, but you make it a related, but different argument that it's not just the information they're

00:42:27.540 collecting on the user. It's what they're pumping out to North American kids. And you compare Tik TOK

00:42:33.940 in America with Tik TOK or dou yin, if I'm saying it right in China, in China, there's a limit of 40 0.91

00:42:41.540 minutes a day for people under a certain age. It's educational, it's positive, it's healthy.

00:42:48.880 Whereas in North America, it's pushing trans extremism, pushing woke, it's hypersexual. It's 0.64

00:42:56.160 there. It really, one is designed to uplift kids and teach them. The other is designed to

00:43:03.000 basically be a race for the bottom. Is that the thesis of your essay in Fox news?

00:43:07.440 That's exactly. People have to understand it is the tool of the CCP to indoctrinate and basically

00:43:14.840 manipulate and influence the American kids. And, uh, what they do is, uh, to really push this toxic,

00:43:25.700 uh, content to the kids and make them addicted to it. So basically make them really no longer

00:43:35.300 productive. And why they're doing not doing that in China? Because, uh, Xi Jinping, he needs highly trained,

00:43:44.980 um, citizens for him to build his empire. So in China, they control everything and they always control 1.00

00:43:55.300 what kids can see and not to see. So they're doing the same thing. Um, but they're not doing the same

00:44:01.460 thing to the American kids. That's exactly why. And, uh, I, you know, I always say it's, you, you, 0.58

00:44:07.780 you can blame CCP. CCP is what it is. And we know it is a communist regime. The problem is the failure

00:44:16.340 of the politicians here. Uh, and, uh, and it's not just politicians, Democrats. They absolutely love

00:44:24.660 that tool. Um, tick tock. It's pushing the exact same ideology that they're pushing for the kids. 0.98

00:44:36.020 Wow. Well, one of the, you know, there's a saying, there's nothing new under the sun.

00:44:41.140 There's a saying history repeats itself. And I think there's some truth to both of those sayings. 1.00

00:44:46.260 And if you live through the cultural revolution, and if you saw young people get weaponized against

00:44:52.420 the four olds, against adults and moving from, uh, vocal denunciations, verbal denunciations

00:45:00.740 to actual violence, what should Americans and Canadians expect to see next? What will it look like if we,

00:45:09.220 God forbid, take the next step in the template of the cultural revolution in China? What would it look

00:45:15.460 like over here? Well, that is the thing. When people don't know history, they don't know you.

00:45:23.220 All you need to do is check out what happened in China. And, uh, at the end of the Chinese cultural

00:45:30.740 revolution, 20 million people lost their lives. Um, the economy was in ruins. The Chinese civilization 1.00

00:45:40.100 totally destroyed. And the family divided, people divided at each other's throat.

00:45:47.060 And someone got absolute power and in the process become a God. Okay. We don't have a Mao here

00:45:57.620 in the West, but we'll have a group of people who are really just like Mao. And that's what they

00:46:04.820 aimed it. That's what they are going to lead us to.

00:46:07.620 Hmm. Well, it's a pleasure to meet you. Even though you say terrifying things, we have to hear

00:46:14.260 it. We can't look away. It's interesting to get to know you a little bit. I'll continue to follow

00:46:19.300 you. And I, I find it fascinating. The images that you choose, is there, um, an organization

00:46:25.380 or a website or a project, uh, that you are involved with that you would encourage people to follow? I

00:46:31.540 follow you on Twitter and we'll have your Twitter, uh, handle underneath this video for other folks.

00:46:36.980 Is there something you would recommend to our viewers who want to learn more about your projects?

00:46:41.860 Yeah, I'm, um, I'm fighting by myself, even though I'm fighting with a lot of, uh,

00:46:48.180 people who love this country and who love our freedom. So far, my platform is, uh, Twitter.

00:46:55.060 So it's X-Van Fleet. Also, my book is coming up in, um, October. And, uh, the book is titled

00:47:04.500 Mouse America, a Survivor's Warning. And, uh, hopefully people will get that book. And, uh, I listed

00:47:13.300 all the parallels between this two cultural revolution and I tell people what happened in

00:47:20.020 China and not warning them. The same thing will happen here if we don't stop it. That's incredible. 1.00

00:47:26.820 Mouse America, a survivor's warning. Well, when that book comes out, you must come back on the show.

00:47:33.540 Chief Van Fleet, what a pleasure to meet you. Thank you for taking the time with us.

00:47:37.220 And I'll continue to follow you on Twitter and to follow your battles, both the global cultural battle.

00:47:43.060 And also if you, uh, get involved with more school oriented battles, it sounds like that really

00:47:48.500 activated you. And I think that's to the benefit of all Americans. You're such a passionate advocate

00:47:53.460 and you do have a desperate warning for the rest of us. Thank you for joining us today.

00:47:57.220 Thank you. Thank you so much.

00:47:58.740 You have it. Chief Van Fleet from Logan County, Virginia. Stay with us. More ahead.

00:48:12.980 Hey, Joe Boudreau writes in again. Great to hear from you again, Joe. That was an interesting

00:48:16.580 interview in Red Deer about Chris Scott and the Whistle Stop Cafe. I met Chris several times this

00:48:21.380 year. We had a rally and support for him in February. Chris is a people person and waits on

00:48:25.700 you personally in his restaurant in apron. He's genuine. I don't think any of these lawyers are

00:48:30.260 genuine, including the crowdfunded ones you talked to. They follow the dollar and only do what money

00:48:35.060 pays them to do. You're in street clothing without a tie like us. We're talking to these people in

00:48:38.820 thousand dollar suits with hundred dollar ties because we crowdfunded their fees. They are not genuine.

00:48:43.140 They're just making a dollar off crowdfunding. Please stop portraying them as legal heroes.

00:48:46.820 They are not. They're just money grubbers. Show us a free lawyer willing to do pro bono work.

00:48:51.700 Okay. Well, you say a lot of things there. First of all, I, after I went to the trial,

00:48:56.340 it ended a little earlier than was expected. So I had time before my flight home to drive out to

00:49:02.020 Mirror, Alberta, about 45 minutes. And, and it is a great restaurant. Uh, the burger was great.

00:49:08.180 Fries were great. I had some blueberry pie also. I, I, and it's a whole family operation. I met his

00:49:13.460 brother-in-law. I was working in the kitchen, his daughters at the cashier, his son. It was,

00:49:17.140 it was great. It's sort of a, an, um, like a museum, a living museum of freedom. There's so many

00:49:25.300 artifacts on the wall, so many freedom oriented artifacts. In fact, I snapped a few pictures.

00:49:29.380 And when you drive up, there's this huge Alberta flag at the top of a crane. It was really quite an

00:49:33.380 experience. Mirror, Alberta is sort of off the beaten track. So you're probably not going to go

00:49:37.700 there unless you go there on purpose, but I enjoyed it. So you're right about Chris,

00:49:41.460 but let me address your points about the lawyers. The five government lawyers were there because they

00:49:46.340 were paid by the government to stop Chris Scott, uh, by any means necessary. And their chief means is

00:49:54.340 by outlawing, lawyering him. The two lawyers on Chris's side were crowdfunded and they were wearing

00:50:01.620 suits. I have no idea how fancy their suits were. Um, the thing is in court, you're expected to wear

00:50:07.860 a suit. There are some courts where they still wear a black gown. So really you could be wearing

00:50:13.780 something casual underneath. Although I think generally they have suit pants. Um, there's a whole

00:50:19.780 outfit. So dressing in a suit and tie is standard operating procedure in a court. And if you did not

00:50:28.900 have a tie, the judge might mention it. And even if the judge doesn't mention it, the judge going to

00:50:34.660 see it and saying, does this guy not respect me? Does this guy not respect the court? So if there

00:50:39.860 was a lawyer who was not dressed respectively, and I say a suit and tie is the standard issue,

00:50:46.260 I think that would be a problem. Um, I, I think that wearing a normal suit, even a good looking suit

00:50:54.660 means that people don't think about your suit. They think about what you're saying. I would not want

00:50:59.540 a lawyer in court in a serious way to be dressed casually. So I'm going to disagree with you on how

00:51:05.620 they looked. Your point about having a pro bono lawyer over the course of my life, I have had several

00:51:13.940 offers of pro bono lawyers and some of them have worked out well, but you cannot ask any person

00:51:21.140 to work on a file in the case of Chris Scott. Is it three years now or is it two years with many court

00:51:29.380 appearances, including working in different hours of the day when he was seized and jailed and going

00:51:36.260 through hundreds of documents and running around, uh, you know, going to different cities. You cannot ask

00:51:43.780 anyone lawyer or not to work hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours for free.

00:51:50.740 I've never heard. I mean, I suppose there are some lawyers who do that much work pro bono,

00:51:56.020 but typically pro bono, which is Latin for, for free or for the good, literally pro bono publico for

00:52:02.740 the good of the public. Um, I remember when I was in law school, we did pro bono work and I did some

00:52:07.220 pro bono work when I was a law firm, but typically it's small matters. You run a small trial,

00:52:11.620 you represent someone who's poor in criminal court. There is no such thing as a lawyer who's going

00:52:17.460 to spend a thousand hours on something for free. Sorry. Would you do that? I mean, Joe,

00:52:22.820 I don't know you personally, so I don't know if you're retired, if you're independently wealthy,

00:52:26.740 but I just simply don't think there's any person out there who's going to work a thousand hours on

00:52:30.260 the case for free. And then there's out of pocket expenses. It's not just lawyers, it's the paralegals,

00:52:35.140 et cetera. And if you were to find a lawyer who would do that for free, okay. Are they any good?

00:52:42.100 If so, why do they have, why do they have a thousand free hours? There's nothing more expensive

00:52:46.740 than a cheap lawyer. I say that in that if, if there's a lawyer who says, Hey, I'll do it for half

00:52:52.900 price. Okay. Why are you saying that? Are you so short of work? Are you any good? We need to have

00:52:59.540 good lawyers because we need to win. That's something I've discovered over the course of my

00:53:04.420 life. When I had no money, I would take any lawyer, I suppose. And I remember I once hired an awful lawyer

00:53:10.420 and he lost. And frankly, I would have been better with no lawyer than with a bad lawyer.

00:53:14.900 So I'm going to disagree with you on that. And I disagree with you only because I've had so much

00:53:19.140 experience in crowdfunding lawyers. And my experience tells me the good, you've got to pay for a good

00:53:24.340 lawyer. You get what you pay for. And if you know a lawyer who's willing to work a thousand hours for free,

00:53:30.340 I, I, then you found a unicorn. Anyways, thanks for your letter. And I'm glad you watched.

00:53:37.700 That's our show for today. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:53:42.580 to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

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Rebel News Podcast - April 15, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Elon Musk destroys the BBC — and Justin Trudeau destroys another charity

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