EZRA LEVANT ｜ Elon Musk shifts focus to the UK — and to Tommy Robinson's fight against grooming gangs
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The world s most interesting man and by far the world s richest man has weighed in on one of our favorite rebel topics: Tommy Robinson, the British journalist and activist who is languishing in prison. Well, Elon Musk has taken a great interest in that subject, including how Musk retweeted one of my letters. Oh boy, did that ever go far.
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Hello, my friends. Great show today. Elon Musk, the world's most interesting man and by far
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the world's richest man, has weighed in on one of our favorite rebel topics, Tommy Robinson,
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the British journalist and activist who is languishing in prison. Rebel News has been
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crowdfunding his legal fees. Well, Elon Musk has taken a great interest in that subject. I'll give
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you all the latest, including how Musk retweeted one of my letters. Oh boy, did that ever go far.
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Tonight, fresh off the U.S. campaign trail, Elon Musk turns his sights on politics in the U.K. and
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Germany. It's January 3rd, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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Elon Musk, I call him the world's most interesting man. He reminds me of so many characters from fiction.
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It's really amazing to see someone in real life that way, the world's richest man, the world's great
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industrialist, the founder of Tesla, of SpaceX, so many things. But of course, in recent months,
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he's become very famous for his politics. During the U.S. election, he campaigned on a daily basis
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with Donald Trump in the key state of Pennsylvania, a battleground state. Elon Musk was on stage giving
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speeches. He also set up a super PAC. There's a kind of election third-party group. He was giving
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away a million dollars a year for people to sign his petition to enforce the U.S. Constitution. It
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was amazing to see him gift this money, and I can only imagine how many names he signed up. What an
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election database he has. But I think his real gift, his largest gift, was reinstating and revitalizing
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conservative and freedom-oriented voices, and in fact, all controversial voices, on the medium
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formerly known as Twitter, now known as X. It takes me a while to switch from calling it Twitter to
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calling it X. I've been on the platform so long, but not just reinstating Donald Trump, who so
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outrageously was deleted even as a sitting president, but many conservative and libertarian and freedom-oriented
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people who were also silenced. And frankly, I feel myself that I have more confidence to tweet fully
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because I'm not always thinking, I better look over my shoulder in case some censor is going to delete
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me or suspend me. I think obviously some ruffians have been reinstated on Twitter, on X, as well as
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other voices, but that's life. People can have rough opinions, and I really believe in Elon Musk's view
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that his limits should be the same as the limits of the law. If something is lawful to say, should you
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not be able to say it in the world's new town square, namely Twitter? And he's part of a dream team,
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this Elon Musk. Think about it. Donald Trump must have confidence in himself and his position to
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surround himself with such colorful characters, such powerful people in their own right. RFK Jr. as his
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health secretary. J.D. Vance as his vice president, clearly an intelligent guy, as opposed to Kamala
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Harris's laughable pick of Tim Walz. Tulsi Gabbard as a director of national intelligence. These are
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interesting and controversial picks, to be sure, but I think each one of them shows that Donald Trump is
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putting together a dream team of sorts. I challenge you to name a single member of Joe Biden's cabinet
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who is outstanding in their field in any way. I don't think you can do it. As you know, Elon Musk's
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key role in the new administration will be that of running DOGE. That's the nickname. That's the
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acronym for Department of Government Efficiency. And if there is one thing that Elon Musk knows,
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besides how to build electric cars and how to send rockets into space, he knows how to cut the fat in
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a company. You might recall when he took over Twitter and turned it into X, he literally fired
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80% of the staff. And the product got better. How do you fire 80% of a company and the product is
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better? Well, you know what works and what doesn't work and what's really on brand for the product and
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what's just barnacles attaching them to the ship. I like what he did at Twitter and I hope he does it
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to the government. And I think that we'll be not just cutting certain agencies back, but in some cases,
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actually deleting entire government agencies. I think it's the only way to salvage the system. I can't
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think of anyone less suited to work for government than Elon Musk. Can you? I mean, he's mouthy. He's
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controversial. He's a disruptor. He's radical in both his words and his deeds. That is not a place.
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Government is not a place for a man such as that, which is precisely why he is perhaps the only person
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in America who would succeed at the head of the Department of Government Efficiency. But apparently
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all these things I've just listed for you is not enough to keep Elon Musk busy. I mean, a mere mortal would
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be a little bit tied up with the things I've just mentioned. Tesla by far is the biggest
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auto maker in the world, not by number of cars made, but by market capitalization. That means the
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stock market thinks Tesla has a bigger and better and brighter future than all other car companies
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combined. It's not just the electric nature of the cars. It's how they use AI and computers, the
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self-driving cars. These cars collect an enormous amount of data. There's so many cameras on this.
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I think people believe that it's not just a regular car with an electric battery. It is a whole
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different way of traveling. And I think that's why the world values Tesla over a trillion dollars.
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That's enough to keep anyone busy. But he also runs SpaceX, which, as you know, sends more payload
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into outer space than all the rest of the world combined times 10. But if it weren't for Elon Musk,
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China would be in the lead in the space race. He also has less famous companies like the
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Boring Company, which is an ironic name. It bores through the earth and makes tunnels. There's one in
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Las Vegas. He hasn't really given that the emphasis, maybe because it's too boring. He also is the leader
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of Neuralink, which is about unlocking the mental abilities of people who are physically disabled,
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quadriplegic, for example. I don't know that much about Neuralink, but it sounds like it would be
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enough to be a full-time job for a mere mortal. So here you have a guy. He's the boss of half a dozen
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important projects, some of which are world-leading Tesla, SpaceX. He's also in his free time. I don't
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know how he has free time. I don't know if you know this, but he is a world-ranked video game player.
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I've never played the game Diablo 4. I don't know anything about it. But apparently Elon Musk is
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one of the best players in the world, and they're ranked, and they're online. He just goes, and when
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he's bored with putting spaceships into space or making electric cars, he plays Diablo 4. He literally
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is one of the best players in the world. I don't know how he does it. Maybe Neuralink. Maybe he's
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getting a little bit of help there or through his AI. I don't know. My point is, he is an industrious
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man. He is a doer, and it would be foolish to bet against him, as so many have. And he has his
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critics, of course. He's just a man, and he makes mistakes. But what you see so often is people who
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know him, people who've worked with him, whether it's Peter Thiel, the founder of PayPal and other
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organizations, or other, frankly, Silicon billionaires, other investors, they say never
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bet against Elon Musk. They say he has a work ethic and a focus and a problem-solving orientation
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that they have learned to bet on him, not bet against him. And of course, if someone had indeed
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bet on him in any of his companies, he would be very rich right now. And so I bring you to the
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point of my monologue today, that this polymath, this man of many talents, this renaissance man,
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has chosen a new focus because he's bored, I guess. And that new focus is the United Kingdom,
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one of my favorite countries, but a country that has terrible flaws. I love the United Kingdom
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because it is where Canada came from intellectually, culturally, legally, artistically, in terms of
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literature, so many things. That is the mother of all parliaments, as they say. And I also am
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interested in it because it is decaying faster than even our own country, Canada. And one of the
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things I've noticed in the United Kingdom is they have a terrible problem emanating from their mass
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immigration, which is called rape gangs, or as they call them over there, grooming gangs. And these
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gangs don't do rape in terms of snatching someone in an alley, raping them and running off. It's a
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combination of undermining and exploiting vulnerable children and teens, tricking them,
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trapping them with things as simple as a drink of beer, or even a candy or a ride in a BMW,
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and soon sexualizing that and exploiting them over the course of months and years. Sometimes
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every single night, these girls are raped again and again. They're blackmailed and extorted. And
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they're children. They're children. It's an absolutely terrible thing. We've talked about it many times on
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the show before. We've talked about the city of Rotherham. About 100,000 citizens were 1,400 girls
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were systematically raped again and again and again. 1,400 in a city of just 100,000.
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Keir Starmer, the new British Prime Minister since July, used to be the head, the chief prosecutor in
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the UK. So he would be very familiar with these things. But there's new questions about whether
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or not Keir Starmer turned a blind eye to these rape gangs because they are overwhelmingly perpetrated
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by Muslim Pakistani men in the UK. The victims are overwhelmingly white working class girls.
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The perpetrators are overwhelmingly Pakistani men. You can see that would be a problem for someone as
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woke as Keir Starmer. And so it turns out that Elon Musk is a booster, I'd even say a fan of Tommy
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Robinson. And in the past week, Elon Musk has probably made a hundred tweets about the United
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Kingdom, about Rotherham, about the rape gangs, and indeed even about Tommy Robinson. As you know,
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Tommy Robinson was sentenced to prison for 18 months. He'll serve nine for contempt of court for publishing
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a video that touches on mass immigration to the UK. That video was published on X on Twitter.
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And the judge ordered Tommy not to do so. He did so in the face of the order. And so he was sentenced
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to jail for contempt of court. I was in the courtroom in the UK when Tommy had that sentence. We were,
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of course, crowdfunding his lawyers. And at the time, he had around 55 or 60 million views.
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I should tell you that since Elon Musk retweeted that banned video itself, last time I checked,
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it had more than 140 million views of Tommy Robinson's video. Just astonishing. And I saw that.
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So I wrote a letter to Elon Musk and I posted it on Twitter, just trying to give some background of
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the story. And incredibly, he saw that and he retweeted my letter. Elon Musk retweeted my letter.
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And again, last time I checked, my little letter to Elon Musk has been seen 41 million times.
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That's actually the exact population of Canada, including children and babies. Obviously,
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it's not just Canadians, people around the world. Let me read to you what I wrote to Elon Musk. And I
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sort of wrote it on my phone when I was, I wasn't supposed to be driving at the time. So I wasn't,
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but like I was in the middle of things. I wrote this thing. If only I knew it would be seen 41 million
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times, I would have caught the typo that made it through. Let me read to you my letter to Elon Musk
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about Tommy Robinson that Elon Musk then retweeted. Take a look. Dear Elon Musk, the way to free Tommy
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Robinson is through legal action. While he's in prison, he's asked me to help with two urgent battles.
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Permit me to describe them for you and all your followers. Number one, Tommy was sentenced to 18 months
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in prison for publishing that documentary you just retweeted. The judge specifically referred to
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Twitter X and the video's wide distribution when giving out the sentence. Tommy will likely be released
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in nine months. But in the meantime, he is being held in segregation, solitary confinement. No man can do
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nine months of solitary without major mental health damage. It's a form of torture, like what was done to
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Julian Assange. Remember, contempt of court in this case is a civil offense, not a crime. It's outrageous and
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unprecedented that he be held in solitary, which is usually reserved for short term punishments of violent
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prisoners who misbehave in prison. We have hired a lawyer who is an expert in prison law to challenge
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the way he is being held. We just received the reply from the prison governor, refusing to move
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Tommy from solitary, saying that he must stay there because of, quote, the polarizing nature of his
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ideology. And then I linked to where people, including Elon Musk, could, if they want, read the letter.
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I wrote, we are moving quickly to appeal that prison governor's decision in a judicial review. And then I
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talked about another crazy thing, and I know this is a long letter, but I'm going to read a little bit
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more of it. And 41 million people saw it, so maybe it's less boring than I think. Number two, while Tommy
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is in prison, he is being charged with a bogus, trumped-up charge under the Terrorism Act, a UK
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version of the Patriot Act. Obviously, Tommy is not a terrorist, and police told him as much when they
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arrested him. They're just using that extreme law to subject Tommy to questioning that he legally
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cannot refuse under the Act, and to search his phone without a warrant, as is also permitted in the Act.
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Tommy refused to give police the password to his cell phone without a warrant. He had both legal and
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journalistic confidences in it. So they're prosecuting him for that, too. For each of these two battles, we need
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both a solicitor and a barrister. They're different people in the UK. So we're crowdfunding four different
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lawyers. Frankly, we need help. Tommy has been debanked and deplatformed, so Tommy asked me and Rebel News to
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crowdfund his lawyers for him, which we're doing at Savetommy.com. I took the opportunity to mention
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it. They really are throwing the unlimited resources of the state against him, not for a crime, but for
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a political and journalistic disagreement. I don't think you'll be able to change the mind of Keir
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Starmer, the authoritarian prime minister who used to be the UK's chief prosecutor. But if you could help
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direct attention toward our legal crowdfund, I think we have a reasonable chance to get him into a more
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sensible prison for the rest of his sentence and to swat down the bogus Terrorism Act charge. Thanks,
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Ezra Levant. Now, you have surely heard all those points before because I've told them to you in
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monologues and I've told them to you when I'm in the court in the UK and I've told them to you after
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I visited Tommy in prison. But 41 million people had not heard that before. And I think a lot of people
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just realized, oh my gosh, what's going on in the UK? Of those 41 million, of course, a swath of them
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are Brits. But a lot of them are people around the world who, like me, love the UK and are saying,
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what is going on over there? Since then, Musk has tweeted many other stories from the UK,
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including our friend Lord Pearson of Rannock, who had this spicy video that Elon Musk liked enough
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to retweet. Here, take a look. But except that if we extrapolate nationally, the Jay report on Rotherham
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and other reports on Telford and Oxford, there appear to have been upwards of 250,000 young
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white girls raped in this century, very largely by Muslim men. And given these girls are usually
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raped several times a day for years. So, my Lords, what is the government's answer to the chief
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constable of Northumberland, of Northumbria, who has just said that there is every likelihood
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that these grooming gangs are operating in every one of our major cities? So, my Lords,
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what is the government doing to prosecute those in authority who turned a blind eye to all this
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because they were afraid of being Islamophobic and so on? And what is it doing to compensate
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My Lords, I really refute the fact that the government is turning a blind eye to those in
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authority. Sorry that those in authority are turning a blind eye to this. Noble Lords from
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across the House have outlined the various child sexual abuse perpetrations in various parts of the
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country. And my Lords, one thing we can say above all else is what these people target is
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vulnerability. It's not specific to race, creed, or colour. It's vulnerability.
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He's tweeted other Tommy Robinson videos. It's like he's going back through Tommy Robinson's feed.
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He's also retweeted stories about rape gangs from other media, including more prestigious media.
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Musk has even got a little bit more particular, a little bit more specific, retweeting calls for
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different cabinet ministers to be fired. He's even called on the king of the United Kingdom,
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King Charles, he's also our king, to call an election sort of to prorogue the British Parliament.
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I don't think that's going to happen. There was just an election in the UK in July. But he's talking
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tough. And it's very interesting to see the pressure that a man who owns the world's largest
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politically oriented social media. Facebook is bigger, but Twitter feels really political. It
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really is the town square for politics. To direct that force against the UK government is fascinating
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to see. It's also a challenge for the opposition parties there. As you may know, the Conservative
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Party of the UK just elected a new leader, Kemi Badenoch. And, you know, she's excellent on certain
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issues, but she's scared of Tommy Robinson, as all British politicians are, because he's so spicy.
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They call him far right. And even Nigel Farage of the Reform UK party, I like Nigel an enormous amount.
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He's afraid of Tommy Robinson too. So you hear you have Elon Musk, just a bull in the China shop,
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and he's pushing for the normalization of someone who the political elites have denormalized.
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Here's Nigel Farage today, when being pressed on the question, Elon Musk supports Reform UK. He also
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supports Tommy Robinson. How do you square the difference? Here's how Nigel Farage answered.
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The party pooper could be the person who may be your biggest saviour a week ago, Elon Musk. You
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called him a bloody hero on Boxing Day. Yeah. You said you were expecting a reasonably sized
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denation. Do you still think that? He's saying remarks now, attacking Britain, supporting Tommy
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Robinson. Is he now a political kryptonite to you? Well, he's attacking the leadership of Britain.
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I mean, he's saying Britain's been terribly badly led and that the grooming scandal, the
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mass rape scandal, which has resurfaced and transcripts of what was said in court have
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been online. And I recommend you at home, don't read them. You won't sleep at night. And so,
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yes, he is attacking the leadership in Britain. He's very supportive of me. He's very supportive
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of the party. He sees Robinson as one of these people that fought against the grooming gangs.
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But of course, the truth is, Tommy Robinson is in prison, not for that, but for contempt
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of court for the third occasion. So, so, but I mean, equally, there are people in Britain
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who think that Robinson is a political prisoner. That's the narrative that he's pushed out.
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That's how he earns his living. But it isn't quite true.
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Would you accept Robinson as a member of your party? You put UKIP over the association with him
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last time. No, no, no. Look, you know, Robinson has been to prison many, many times for many,
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many things. Mortgage fraud, passport problems, you name it. He's got his own campaign. We are
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a political party aiming to win the next general election. He's not what we need.
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Most comments, though, about Keir Starmer as DPP, about Jess Phillips. These are, you know,
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angry remarks on Twitter. These are your MP colleagues in Parliament. I mean, how will
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you face these people when you go to Parliament? This is, these are, a guy you're backing is
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making very... I'm sorry. I'm sorry. For Jess Phillips to say there's no need for a public
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inquiry, there really is. So you're backing one?
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Oh, there really is. And then Vakami Badenoch to say there must be a public inquiry when the
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government she served in refused to give us one just about sums up where British politics is.
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It is a uni party. There is little to choose between Labour and Conservatives. I want a full
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public inquiry with the glare of publicity. People need to understand the extent of what went wrong
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in so many towns and cities across our country.
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I don't know Nigel Farage well enough. I don't have a personal relationship with him. But I've
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followed him very closely ever since his triumph in the Brexit movement. He was the leader of the
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UKIP party that succeeded in getting the UK out of the European Union. And then I saw Nigel Farage
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fight against the big banks and being de-platform. I have deep admiration for Nigel Farage. But it's clear
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that I think he's afraid of Tommy Robinson. I mean, what he said there about Tommy being convicted for
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contempt of court? Well, it's true, of course. But the three things that got Tommy into trouble were not
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violence or some random thing. It was talking about massive, largely Islamic immigration. All
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three of his instances of contempt of court were for talking about these things. So you can't just
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simply say, oh, he's a serial convict. Well, yeah, three of those convictions were for contempt of
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court on his journalism. But I think that Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson would have a lot of overlap.
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But it's simply such political correctness over there. And the cancel culture is so strong that
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if either Nigel Farage or Kemi Badenoch were to show any affection to Tommy or his ideas, they would
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be completely renounced and expelled by the political establishment. I think there's a class
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system in the UK. I mean, I know there is. We all know that. But you can you can feel it when you're
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there. Even your accent, even your style of clothing, your social manners. It's interesting to me
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that a classy, posh Brit like Douglas Murray can say pretty much 99% of what Tommy Robinson says,
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says it in prestigious books, it's prestigious speeches. And he's permitted, I think for reasons
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of class and style, but not Tommy Robinson. Here's Douglas Murray himself reflecting on that on TV just
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the other day. I thought it was very interesting. So this this attempt to shoot the messenger,
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almost literally, was something that has been a consistent aspect of this story. And when I see
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people now talking about this story and trying to get on to the Tommy Robinson part of it, I can't help
00:24:57.800
thinking it's yet another deflection. Tommy Robinson is a man from a working class background in Luton.
00:25:03.480
There are many things to be said in in favor of him and what he's done as many things to be said,
00:25:10.120
criticizing some of his his tactics and some of his words and much more. But essentially,
00:25:15.960
he is one of a quite large number, actually, not to be underestimated, a large number of working
00:25:21.080
class people in this country, who who saw this happen to relatives of theirs, who had girls in their
00:25:28.680
families who were drugged and raped by Muslim gangs. And when they went to the police, they didn't get
00:25:34.440
any help. When they went to the council, they didn't get any help. When they went to their MPs,
00:25:37.960
generally, they didn't get any help. If they organized a protest movement, so-called anti-fascist
00:25:42.360
groups would immediately say are far right. Because, of course, if you're working class in our country
00:25:47.400
and you don't like the mass rape of young white girls, you're, of course, necessarily must be a Nazi.
00:25:53.640
All of this was done to make it utterly impossible for anybody to discuss this and particularly
00:26:01.960
to crack down as hard as possible on anyone who was white and working class and felt voiceless.
00:26:08.200
And instead of giving these people any sympathy or any hearing, most of the media, most of the political
00:26:14.040
class turned away. I think there's a lot to that. I say again that the victims of the mass rape
00:26:19.560
in Rotherham were working class white British girls in the North. They weren't fancy posh Londoners
00:26:27.560
with political connections. As Morrissey would say in the song, they're nobody's nothing. And I think
00:26:34.360
there's a little bit of classism there. And I think if you add on the fact that the victims were white
00:26:40.600
and add layer on the DEI woke immigration and woke policing, you had the perfect storm. You had
00:26:47.960
untouchable rapists and indefensible white girls. It was terrible. And I think it's part of the same
00:26:56.200
problem. These working class white girls were victimized because they were working class and
00:27:00.920
white. And here's Majid Nawaz, a Pakistani British man, saying something that maybe white Brits don't
00:27:08.200
feel comfortable saying other than the odd one like Tommy Robinson, which is, we've got a problem
00:27:12.920
here. Here's Majid Nawaz. Take it from him. Don't tell me that their Muslim identity had nothing to do
00:27:20.120
with this. I have lived and breathed this community all of my life. I can guarantee you that it's not the
00:27:30.600
cause, but a factor in the way in which these girls was treated was the culture of these men. And as part of
00:27:37.320
that culture is their religious attitude towards non-Muslims. And that is the reason that you see
00:27:43.480
almost exclusively that they are men like me, Pakistani British Muslim. Most of them, some of
00:27:52.200
them Bangladeshi Muslims, some of them Indian Muslims, some of them North African Muslims, some of them
00:27:57.400
Somali Muslims, all, all of them Muslims, almost all Pakistani Muslims. And the victims almost all
00:28:07.000
underaged white girls. Now, who will lead, who will defend the voiceless in this national scandal?
00:28:18.280
Who will lead the case for saying we need a national inquiry into how this would have been tolerated
00:28:23.640
for so long in any other crime? And even yes, the murder of that one man, Stephen Lawrence, which set off,
00:28:30.120
and rightfully so, a huge national debate around institutional racism in this country.
00:28:36.520
In any other case, you first get through the phase of being able to talk about it.
00:28:42.360
Then you get to justice where you convict the perpetrators.
00:28:46.520
Then you start looking at those who covered up for the perpetrators. And that's what the McPherson
00:28:51.160
inquiry did in the case of Stephen Lawrence. And it deemed the police institutionally racist.
00:28:56.520
Well, I ask you now, we've started to convict people. Yes, I listed those 27 cities for you,
00:29:02.760
which is bad enough as it is. But where's the accountability for the police who covered this
00:29:06.920
up? Where's the accountability for the labor councils who covered this up?
00:29:11.880
Where's the compensation for the victims? Because the police deliberately shelved
00:29:17.800
investigations into their statutory rape because they wanted to be politically correct.
00:29:23.160
So it's going to be fascinating because I'll tell you one thing, Elon Musk has not let up. And it'll
00:29:27.160
be interesting to see what happens with an irresistible force and an immovable object, which is
00:29:32.360
a majority government in the United Kingdom that hates Elon Musk. My guess is they're going to try and ban
00:29:38.280
him or ban Twitter. My guess is they're going to lash out and there will be very little self-reflection.
00:29:43.800
So that's the United Kingdom. And if you thought that that was enough to keep a guy busy, well,
00:29:48.520
Elon Musk had some free time at the end of his day. So he thought he would get involved
00:29:52.360
in German politics. Now, there is a German election coming up very quickly. And the alternative for
00:29:57.080
Deutschland, the AFDL, the alternative for Germany, is a party that has a similar point of view,
00:30:04.600
restrict immigration, get rid of woke things. Ironically, their leader is a lesbian woman in a
00:30:11.240
relationship with a Sri Lankan immigrant. I mean, they're not racist, they're not sexist,
00:30:16.040
they're not anti-gay. In fact, their leader proves all three of those things right there.
00:30:22.360
But they're still denounced as Nazis. Well, Elon Musk wasn't having any of that,
00:30:26.520
and he had a lot of tweets about the AFD. And he was invited to write an op-ed in a very prestigious
00:30:34.120
newspaper in Germany called Die Welt, the world. And it was fairly basic, just making the case why he
00:30:41.880
supports alternative for Deutschland. Oh, my God. Let me show you a story in the Telegraph.
00:30:48.520
Die Welt opinion editor resigns over Elon Musk article. Ava Marie Kogel quits after newspaper
00:30:54.920
prints a piece from the Tesla boss that questions categorization of the political party as far right.
00:31:01.080
I mean, isn't that weird? Doesn't that show who the real censor, the real fascist is? You're in
00:31:09.640
charge of op-eds, which I suppose typically means a range of opinions. So they're not necessarily your
00:31:17.000
opinions. Sometimes newspapers publish unsigned editorials that are the view of the editorial
00:31:22.280
board, whatever that means. But an op-ed is typically a signed piece by someone who's a political actor or a
00:31:29.080
pundit, part of the rainbow of ideas. And Elon Musk, like him or not, he is a very consequential man.
00:31:37.720
And imagine saying, because we let him have his opinion, and because his opinion supported
00:31:43.560
Alternative for Deutschland, I'm going to resign in a pout. I just find that so astonishing.
00:31:50.040
And that's what's so interesting to me about this whole thing.
00:31:52.360
Can Elon Musk normalize and revitalize dissidents in the United Kingdom in Germany as he did in America?
00:32:02.600
Elon Musk has revived suspended ex-accounts for odious people, people who none of us would admire,
00:32:10.200
like who were racist, but they haven't broken the law. Now that causes a lot of censors and woke
00:32:16.040
people a lot of indigestion. And frankly, it's even tough for me. I don't like reading things that I
00:32:21.480
hate. Isn't that almost a tautology? But if you believe in freedom, it's the gift you have to
00:32:26.920
give your opponents if you want it for yourself. That's how freedom of speech works. And Elon Musk
00:32:32.840
believes in that, frankly, more than anyone else in Silicon Valley. And he has revived people from the
00:32:39.560
social media dead. And he has enlivened and encouraged a public debate, which, plainly,
00:32:48.280
helped Donald Trump succeed. Now he's trying to do that in the UK and Germany. Will it work?
00:32:53.800
Can he normalize conversations about rape gangs? Can he normalize discussions about the culpability
00:33:00.600
of British politicians and even police? Can he normalize Tommy Robinson, or if not Tommy Robinson
00:33:06.600
himself, Tommy Robinson's ideas? Can he do the same thing for the mighty country of Germany
00:33:13.320
and their legitimate opposition party, the AFD? We're about to see. You know, cancel culture is
00:33:19.000
an interesting thing. And I've studied it both objectively and from someone who has been a victim
00:33:23.720
of it. It works if someone is the tastemaker. That is the coolest kid, the richest kid, the most powerful
00:33:31.240
kid. You can't be canceled by a nobody. You have to be canceled by someone more powerful than you. That's
00:33:38.760
how it works. By one measure, Elon Musk is, I don't know, the science nerd. He's not traditionally a
00:33:48.840
tastemaker. But it is pretty cool to be the man sending rockets into space and then landing them
00:33:55.240
again. It is pretty cool to be the founder of Tesla. And of course, it is extremely cool to be the world's
00:34:02.600
richest man closing in on $500 billion net worth. That's almost a trillion here in Canada.
00:34:10.600
So yeah, he is cool. He is a tastemaker. With a single tweet, he can have 41 million
00:34:16.280
people reading a fairly boring letter like the one I wrote. Oh, and by the way, he's funny.
00:34:21.800
And he's a bit of a troll and he doesn't care. Remember when Disney and others were threatening
00:34:26.280
to take their ads off of Twitter? Here's what he said to them. Apology tour, if you will.
00:34:31.240
This had been said online. There was all of the criticism. There was advertisers leaving. We
00:34:36.200
talked to Bob Iger today. I hope they stop. You hope? Don't advertise.
00:34:41.160
You don't want them to advertise? No. What do you mean?
00:34:46.120
If somebody's going to try to blackmail me with advertising, blackmail me with money,
00:34:49.480
go fuck yourself. But go fuck yourself. Is that clear? I hope it is. Hey, Bob,
00:35:04.200
if you're in the audience. Well, let me ask you then. That's how I feel. Don't advertise.
00:35:12.040
Yeah. That's not a normal way for a corporate executive to talk, but that's a man who has his
00:35:17.880
own internal compass and he doesn't care what other people say. That's quite astonishing.
00:35:23.000
Can Elon Musk change the world? Can he change the UK and Germany the way he helped change America
00:35:29.880
with Donald Trump? Well, we saw him fight with the tyrants of Brazil. Remember when I went down there
00:35:35.160
for one day with Efron Monsanto to study the revolt in Brazil against the tyrannical regime
00:35:41.480
that had banned Twitter? Here's a little flashback to that. Why were you here today? Why did you guys come
00:35:45.880
to the rally? We came here today because we are fighting for our freedom. You know, we listened
00:35:52.920
to and we saw all the things that Elon Musk showed to us and we're here for fighting for our freedom.
00:36:00.920
You know, Elon Musk inspired us. I know that both Lula and Maurice have publicly criticized Musk.
00:36:09.880
It's easy to be against the world's richest man. It's easy to be against a foreign person.
00:36:19.000
Our ordinary Brazilians, how do they feel about Elon Musk? Do they even know who he is?
00:36:25.080
You know, most of the people are with Elon Musk. Elon Musk has stood up to Alexandre de Moraes
00:36:31.400
very noisily and he's pushed back. What do you think of that?
00:36:35.880
I think it's good for Brazil because he's not Brazilian, but he's gonna help us a lot.
00:36:43.800
I love Elon Musk. I love Elon Musk. Brazil loves Elon Musk.
00:36:49.880
I think Elon Musk cares about the whole world. And of course he does because he cares about other
00:36:55.400
worlds too. I mean, the man wants to live on Mars, so it's not surprising that he has views
00:37:00.920
about other countries too. It's exhilarating to watch. It's a little bit nerve-wracking too.
00:37:05.880
Others have tried to influence the world, including other extremely rich and powerful people.
00:37:10.440
I mean, they just do it more secretly. Every year, you know, Rebel News sends journalists to the World
00:37:16.360
Economic Forum in Davos. And there are billionaires, multi-billionaires there.
00:37:22.280
Klaus Schwab, the boss of it, is a billionaire. Larry Fink, the head of BlackRock is there. He's
00:37:27.960
a billionaire and he actually controls trillions of dollars. Those people are meeting because they
00:37:33.080
want to control the world. They're just a little bit less audacious than Elon Musk and they lack his
00:37:39.400
sense of humor. George Soros has given more than $10 billion to effect change,
00:37:45.880
either through thugs like Antifa in the United States or even his color revolutions in Europe.
00:37:52.280
Soros has the Open Societies Foundation that recruits thousands of activists around the
00:37:57.880
world. Remember, Soros actually installed different district attorneys across America with a
00:38:03.640
soft on crime agenda. The difference is Elon Musk is much more transparent. He's definitely much more
00:38:10.120
entertaining. And I'd say he's been more successful in a short time than anyone else. Not surprising from
00:38:17.000
a guy who is successful at pretty much everything else he touches. I think it's a pleasure and a delight
00:38:24.120
and a miracle to have a man who shares our views about freedom on our side, at least for now. You know,
00:38:31.880
I think of Psalm 146, which says, put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man in whom there is
00:38:40.280
no help. And that's good advice. I mean, Elon Musk is just flesh and bone and he's vulnerable like the
00:38:46.200
rest of us and he makes mistakes just like the rest of us. But he really is changing the course of the
00:38:52.120
world. And he's changing it, in my view, for the better. He's helped change America. He's trying
00:38:57.320
to change the UK and Germany. Maybe he'll help us here in Canada, too. And we'll keep you posted.
00:39:05.160
Well, in a way, talking about Trudeau cabinet ministers feels, you know, like you're talking
00:39:22.200
about the deck chairs on the Titanic. They're rearranging cabinet shuffles while the ship is
00:39:27.000
sinking. He really is no longer even on his B team. He's on the C team. These are people
00:39:33.560
who are so eager for the cabinet minister's car and the cabinet minister's driver and the extra staff
00:39:39.560
and perks that they're willing to affix themselves and their reputations to Justin Trudeau. You're
00:39:45.400
really scraping the bottom of the barrel. So, I mean, the idea of catching a cabinet minister,
00:39:51.480
it is still, I suppose, meaningful and exciting. And I'm not downplaying it. It's just
00:39:55.880
everyone in the country knows that their career is measured now in weeks, perhaps even in days. And
00:40:04.120
if someone is a Trudeau cabinet minister, the most important thing about them is that they're willing
00:40:11.320
to share Trudeau's reputation. So, we're talking about the lowest of the low. This is not 2015 people.
00:40:17.400
This is 2025. It's like milk months past its best before date. I mention all that because,
00:40:24.520
as you know, in Toronto, there's this intersection of Bathurst and Shepherd where every week since
00:40:31.560
October of 2023, Jews and supporters of Jews have been waving flags and chanting in support of Israel
00:40:40.840
and bringing home the hostages that the Hamas terrorist group seized. Well, in the last few months,
00:40:47.960
pro-Hamas counter-protesters have come to say the opposite message, to celebrate Hamas. They even
00:40:55.720
recreated some weird scene with Yahya Sinwar, the now dead leader of Hamas. It's super gross.
00:41:03.400
They bring their swastikas. They chant for death. That's what intifada means in Arabic, a violent
00:41:09.480
riot against Jews. Police protect the Hamas protesters. Anyways, that was the scene where both David Menzies and
00:41:16.360
myself have been arrested by police for causing alarm to the Hamas protesters. Well, last Sunday,
00:41:24.040
a citizen journalist and activist named Daniel Boardman went there. And who did he find but a Trudeau
00:41:31.160
cabinet minister, Yaara Sachs, not just any cabinet minister, mind you, but the one who actually flew
00:41:37.000
to the Middle East to pose for a loving selfie with Mahmoud Abbas, the head of the PLO,
00:41:44.120
the mastermind of the Munich terrorist attacks several decades ago. Here's how it went when
00:41:50.680
Daniel Boardman spotted Yaara Sachs in the crowd. Take a look.
00:41:54.760
I'm here with Minister Sachs. Minister Sachs, do you think Justin Turner's going to resign? Are you
00:42:00.440
grabbing my phone? You're in public, Minister Sachs. Do you believe that Justin Turner's resigned?
00:42:07.480
Minister Sachs, are you going to vote no confidence in the upcoming election? Minister Sachs, do you
00:42:12.600
support the teasing of Israel Canada relations? Minister Sachs, do you support Jagmeet Singh and
00:42:19.640
Justin Trudeau's alliance against Israel? Guys, guys, you really shouldn't be walking back here.
00:42:22.040
There's all these wires. Yes, Minister Sachs, why are you walking back here, Minister Sachs?
00:42:28.520
Minister Sachs, will you be voting to keep Justin Trudeau in office or out of office?
00:42:32.040
Will there be an election coming up soon, Minister Sachs?
00:42:33.960
Minister Sachs, do you tell us the meaning of Hanukkah? Minister Sachs, do you have any thoughts
00:42:41.800
on Hanukkah, the Maccabees, Israel? Well, joining us now to talk about that interaction or rather
00:42:48.680
one-sided interaction is Daniel Boardman, citizen journalist and activist. Daniel, great to see you.
00:42:53.800
Thanks for taking the time. You were persistent, but you were not rude. You were not threatening.
00:43:00.360
You did not make physical contact with her. And I was jotting down the questions you asked several
00:43:06.280
times if Trudeau should resign, if you would vote non-confidence. You asked a question about the
00:43:11.480
meaning of the Jewish holiday of Hanukkah. Your questions were persistent, but they weren't rude.
00:43:18.120
The rudeness, she smacked your camera and said something about you don't have permission to film
00:43:23.080
her. What do you make of all that? Yeah, it was pretty weird. Like, again,
00:43:28.200
your opening monologue is quite correct. They're not sending their best. You know,
00:43:31.400
we're past the B team, maybe quite possibly past the C team. Because I went up to her and immediately,
00:43:37.320
like, okay, to all fairness to our Sachs, yeah, she knows who I am. She doesn't like me because
00:43:41.960
twice in the last year, I've gotten the large segments and pretty much entire crowds of the
00:43:47.640
Jewish community to boo her and heckle her. Because, well, I mean, credit to her. A lot of the reason
00:43:54.440
people don't like her is because of her own actions. So I don't want to deprive her of
00:43:58.440
her glory. But I think she expected me to come up to her and start like, you know, screaming like,
00:44:04.920
you're a Hamas supporter. But my thought is like, okay, she's here. Parliament's been prorogued.
00:44:11.560
There's no things. It's like one, I'm surprised she's on this side of the road. But okay. And I'm
00:44:19.160
just going to ask her questions about the government. And then I kind of got a bit like,
00:44:25.000
thrown off my game because instantly asked questions. She just grabbed the phone,
00:44:28.440
like full on grab the phone. It was like trying to take it out of my hand
00:44:31.320
with like some force. I was just like, I was looking at her like,
00:44:35.720
are you this stupid to just grab the phone? Like, does no one give you any training as a cabinet
00:44:41.160
minister? Like, one thing to just run away. Okay. I asked you questions and you just run away.
00:44:45.960
And like, that's the way things are with the media. Oh, I don't have to answer independent
00:44:49.960
media questions. Fine. You can't grab my phone. You can't do that. And so she instantly grabbed
00:44:56.040
the phone. And I was like, what are you doing? So it was like this sort of like, okay, I'll just,
00:45:02.440
I had to like remember the questions I had kind of like put in my head again, because it was just
00:45:06.760
so bizarre that she was that incompetent. And that's stupid.
00:45:11.720
Yeah. I mean, the idea that you need her permission to film her, she's a public person
00:45:16.680
in a public place at a public protest. And you were asking her public interest questions.
00:45:22.040
I mean, she doesn't have to answer you. I think it looks bad that she doesn't. I mean,
00:45:25.960
why won't she say, I mean, we sort of know her answer in a way. I mean, if she's in cabinet,
00:45:32.360
that implies she does support Trudeau, you know, that she wouldn't vote no on,
00:45:39.080
she wouldn't vote for, you know, no confidence. Your question about Hanukkah, she could have
00:45:44.040
actually used that to give you a long ramble that was sort of nonpolitical. She should have
00:45:49.000
taken that exit route if she wanted to, or she could have just said, you know, I'm at a,
00:45:54.120
I'm at a community event. We, you know, call my staff. We can arrange to chat later. She would
00:45:59.720
never call you back. There's a lot of things she could have done.
00:46:03.480
There's a hundred different ways that someone with a moderately competent personality could
00:46:09.640
have gotten out of that. Like there's a hundred different outs and you write non answers and this
00:46:15.080
and that I'm here to, to promote, you know, the diversity of, of Canada to something, something like
00:46:21.560
you just have to give me nonsense words, but she grabbed the phone and then ran away. And I mean,
00:46:26.520
it's like a microcosm of how entitled the liberals feel to just steamroll the entire country. And
00:46:31.480
like, is there a reason why the country is kind of in chaos? Yeah. Because the rules seem to not
00:46:36.120
apply to anyone like top or bottom. If they, you know, are on the red team, of course.
00:46:43.480
You know, you mentioned that she's been heckled by the community before. And I remember
00:46:47.880
one of those instances, there's a synagogue in North Toronto that has been targeted several times for
00:46:53.320
attacks, glass smashed, et cetera. It's called Pride of Israel. And they actually had sort of a
00:47:00.360
rally. I don't know if that's what it was, but there was a rule, no questions allowed. It was
00:47:05.400
super weird. They had all these politicians attending this so-called town hall, but the
00:47:10.840
rule was no one was allowed to ask anyone questions. And a lot of people have a lot of questions.
00:47:16.760
Here's when Ya'ara Sachs went up to this Pride of Israel event. And, and I don't know,
00:47:23.320
maybe it was even you who started the heckling. I can't remember, but here's a flashback of that
00:47:28.200
event. Join me in welcoming Ya'ara Sachs to share the love.
00:47:31.000
I'm asking you to rise above it, put in your eyes here, or leave the room.
00:47:51.320
Thank you for me, the audience I expect you to be.
00:47:55.000
Um, yeah, I mean, she is what I call a Justin Trudeau kind of Jew. She's Jewish. You can tell
00:48:05.560
by her name. I think she's a dual citizen with Israel. I'm not sure if dual citizens should be
00:48:11.560
in cabinet, but that's a different debate. There are a lot of them, by the way, for different countries.
00:48:15.560
I mean, for this, this is probably the, the, the worst example to pick because this is someone with
00:48:20.040
dual citizenship who's loyal to neither the country. That's a great point.
00:48:23.240
These are the two countries she hates the most and actively undermines.
00:48:27.400
You know, I'm just kidding. I mean, she, she was quoted by the times of Israel
00:48:31.880
as saying that Israel is quote, a deeply racist country. And she's part of Justin Trudeau's cabinet.
00:48:38.920
And he says that we are not just deeply racist in Canada. We are a genocidal country. So you're so
00:48:45.560
right. She hates both Israel and Canada, which makes her a Justin Trudeau kind of Jew.
00:48:49.880
She, she's a Justin Trudeau kind of Jew. Uh, and the fact that she's Jewish makes it even worse,
00:48:55.720
but of course there's plenty of Muslims and Christians and atheists in Trudeau's cabinet
00:49:00.120
who share her views that Benjamin Netanyahu should be arrested, that, uh, we should funnel tens of
00:49:06.040
Well, I'll make this point here. Cause I think we're beating around is like her job in Justin Trudeau's
00:49:11.720
cabinet is to be the Jew who whitewashes the antisemitism of the others. So it's one thing
00:49:18.520
to be like a useless Jew, like Anthony house father, who, you know, after a synagogue's burned down,
00:49:23.480
puts it sweet and like, Oh, this is where I had my bar mitzvah burning down. Synagogues is bad,
00:49:29.080
right. He's doing nothing. But Yara Sachs, his job is to actually to fly over to, uh, with Melino
00:49:35.000
Jolie to hold hands with Mahmoud Abbas to say, look, you know, for our foreign affairs and the
00:49:41.160
Jewish minister say, um, you know, standing with Palestinians, um, Yara Sachs specific role is to
00:49:47.880
use her Jewish identity, right? The liberals and the political class create these scenarios in which
00:49:52.760
she can go into public, right? These synagogues that agree to have like no questions asked come
00:49:58.600
in here. We will tell the audience to sit there and shut up. We'll bring Olivia Chow and Yara Sachs,
00:50:02.760
who knows what the kickback deals are. And then these people can say, Oh, look, we're in the
00:50:07.080
community. We're doing stuff. Um, now the Jewish community doesn't want these antisemitic politicians
00:50:11.960
in the community. And this is why the crowds get restless and don't like them. Um, but there seems to be
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like this, this need to enforce them here. So you, and you see it like Olivia Chow and Yara Sachs
00:50:22.680
have used the, like when confronted on like, why aren't you doing anything about antisemitism?
00:50:26.040
They go, Oh, I was at the pride of Israel synagogue. Yeah. And I gave a speech like
00:50:29.560
Olivia Chow came in for 10 seconds, gave a speech that was nothing and ran away. Um,
00:50:34.600
same Yara Sachs and the, their use Yara Sachs' job is to use her Jewish identity to say, Oh, okay.
00:50:41.720
You know, as a Jew, um, this policy of burning down synagogue is actually kind of good for us.
00:50:47.400
Um, so that's her role in, in the cabinet. And that's why I was surprised she was on,
00:50:52.520
that side of the street. Yeah. You know, the latest poll by Angus Reed,
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I've seen modeling that suggests only six liberals will retain their seats. By the way,
00:51:01.320
none are in Toronto and Trudeau himself loses. I'm not sure if I believe that. I think that's such a,
00:51:07.000
such an extreme result. That's like a Kim Campbell, uh, calamity. I don't think it'll be that bad,
00:51:11.880
but I think that the vast majority, uh, will lose their seats. Yara Sachs will too. It'll be
00:51:18.040
interesting to see what the new government, if we have an election this year, I think we will.
00:51:23.640
I think we'll have one before June or maybe in June. And I think Pierre Polyev will win a very
00:51:29.800
large majority. The problem is if it's too large, uh, uh, if you have to, like, let me give you a
00:51:37.400
theoretical, let's say he won every single seat in the country. That's obviously not going to happen,
00:51:42.520
but it's a thought experiment. If Pierre Polyev literally won every single seat in the cabinet,
00:51:49.320
how would, uh, different ideas battle themselves out? Because not everyone has the same view on
00:51:55.560
Israel, on immigration, on Islamism, on like, if you, if you have too many people inside the tent,
00:52:03.880
you have to water things down and you have to find more ideological compromises than if you were a
00:52:10.440
more clearly defined party representing a wing of the country. Yes, you always want to make everyone
00:52:16.280
feel Canadian and have a way for everyone to express themselves, but there is such a thing,
00:52:20.280
I think, of having too big a coalition that you no longer have a distinct flavor because you're too
00:52:26.600
worried about internal dissent. Am I, am I, maybe I have to clarify those thoughts a little bit,
00:52:32.360
but what do you think about that? I, I, I see where you're going and I, I agree. There's like,
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there's two ends of the spectrum here where it's like too bad. Like the, the way too big open tent,
00:52:40.120
where you have no principles and then you become this sort of, you know, vector for foreign
00:52:45.000
interference and hostile ideologies. And then like the Muslim brotherhood, the Kalistanis,
00:52:48.840
the CCP, whatever bad Russian actors, they can all get in. If you broaden the tent too, too big
00:52:54.440
and you have no principles to stand on. The same point, you can't go to the sort of like,
00:52:58.280
where the insane factions of you could, whatever you want to call it now, alt-right, woke, right,
00:53:03.000
insane people who are like, you know, we need this like hyper-focused, like hyper-puritan,
00:53:07.960
unless if anyone even wants one immigrant in the country, legal or illegal, right, kick them out.
00:53:13.080
Right. You need to find this balance where if the party doesn't actually stand for something,
00:53:16.680
then it's not going to grow. And this is, I think the biggest mistake the conservative
00:53:20.520
party always makes is they always try and find this red toy, this middle ground, this happy compromise.
00:53:25.640
But this is the O'Toole flaw. No one wants Diet Trudeau. If they're going to drink Trudeau,
00:53:30.120
they'll drink Trudeau. Right. You have to convince them that there's a better drink out there
00:53:34.520
called conservatism. Right. And actually have some conservative principles that stand for something.
00:53:39.160
And yes, if you're going to stand for something, it means you're going to exclude something.
00:53:42.360
You know, it might be good to exclude the grooming gang aficionados who are running through the UK.
00:53:49.480
It might be good to be seen as the party that's more hard line against things like that than more,
00:53:55.000
you know, generally accepting. And yeah, I understand the fear. And I have a two of
00:54:00.360
the conservative party sort of getting too much, you know, having the block as the official opposition
00:54:06.600
and then having the unelected sort of gatekeepers of the political class, which exist in all parties,
00:54:14.040
basically see, oh, we have so much free reign. And, you know, oh, this person can sign up 2000
00:54:19.000
members and bring us in $25,000 in one week. That's pretty good. But then never really look into
00:54:26.520
this person as like, oh, he's done this for the liberal party, done this the NDP. What are the
00:54:30.360
organizations he's frequenting? What do they say about our country? Huh? Oh, what's this connection
00:54:35.000
to this hostile foreign government coming up right here? Like you, you worry that that, because if
00:54:39.960
there's no pressure on the conservative party to sort of maintain and like trim the fat, that they'll
00:54:44.680
get lazy, bloated and then become the liberal party. I understand that fear. You see it like there are
00:54:51.080
hostile foreign ideologies and extremist factions that are actively trying to, they, listen, part
00:54:56.280
of their existence is to infiltrate political parties anywhere they find them at any part of
00:55:00.360
the world. The conservative party is a political party on the planet. So it does have these elements
00:55:05.800
trying to get in. And if you don't stand for something, they don't have clear principles.
00:55:09.480
And clear principles will exclude people. But I've always said, like, if you have clear principles
00:55:13.000
that people can glom onto, you actually win over more people. Instead of trying to meet people in this
00:55:16.680
like crazy middle where no one really exists, where like no one has any principles and just
00:55:20.840
floating around, if you actually had some concrete principles, defend them effectively and promote
00:55:25.480
them as, as good values, people will then see them as such and, and, and, and join into you.
00:55:31.080
And I think that's, that's the balance that the conservative party of Canada always has to strike
00:55:35.240
because it, um, if it goes to red, Tory, far, whatever you get, Kim, Kim Campbell, and the
00:55:40.040
party exploded stands for nothing, just go to liberals anyway. And if you go to hyper partisan to the
00:55:44.920
right, you, you become undigestible to, uh, the electorate in general. So you need a strong
00:55:51.800
principled conservative party to actually, um, govern conservatively. And there are some
00:55:56.680
of those people I will, I have met them in the conservative party, uh, but there's also a lot
00:55:59.960
of people with like no general principles or intelligence just floating around the political
00:56:03.480
system of all colors. And I've, I've met those, um, people as well. So.
00:56:07.960
Daniel, it's great to connect with you. We got to leave it there. Thanks for
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going to that, uh, event and catching Yara Sachs. The fact that she couldn't or wouldn't answer
00:56:16.840
your questions, I think said, uh, an earful, even though she was silent. Great to see you.
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Good luck out there. Thanks so much. All right. Stay with us more ahead.