Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Europe talks about re-arming itself, but it's actually deindustrializing. Can it really do both？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I want to show you two crazy stories from Europe, and they're a warning of

00:00:04.660 what could happen here. I want to show you a video of the newest, most modern, cleanest coal-fired

00:00:09.920 power plant in Germany being detonated on purpose. And I want to tell you about the last steel mill

00:00:16.360 in the UK shutting down. What's the commonality and what does it mean for us here? I'll tell you.

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00:01:45.020 Tonight, Europe talks about rearming itself, but it's actually de-industrializing. Can it really

00:01:55.900 do both? It's March 27th, and this is The Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:59.480 You're fighting for freedom! Shame on you, you sensorism bug!

00:02:05.900 Twitter, or X, as it's now called, is my hobby. And I'm on it way too much, but it's endlessly interesting. That's why. I saw this video on it. Take a quick look.

00:02:24.500 Billiarden Euros an Steuergeldern für Bau, anschließendem Abriss und Neubau von Anlagen zur Gewinnung von Strom.

00:02:31.660 Im Jahre 2015 wurde im Hamburger Süden das Kohlekraftwerk Moorburg durch Wattenfall in Betrieb genommen.

00:02:38.880 Es galt zu seiner Zeit als eine der größten Stromproduzenten in Deutschland und produzierte im Jahr mehrere Terrawattstunden Strom.

00:02:46.580 Im Jahr 2020 nahm Wattenfall an einem Ausschreibung.

00:02:49.960 Anyhow, I read the original tweet, and I translated it into English, and I did some more research, and it is true. It's a crazy story.

00:02:58.320 Germany just destroyed its most modern, clean, coal-fired power plant. It was just six years old.

00:03:06.920 They spent three billion euros on it. Here's what I wrote in my tweet.

00:03:10.740 Germany detonates its most modern, coal-fired power plant. After just six years, the Moorburg plant in Hamburg cost three billion euros and produced 1,654 megawatts, enough to power the entire city.

00:03:27.020 They demolished it because Greta said so. Putin and she are laughing.

00:03:31.800 I have no idea why, but that tweet seemed to capture people's attention in some way, and it has been seen 4.5 million times and counting.

00:03:41.820 I'm actually really shocked. I just did it as a throwaway comment because it was so weird to see a modern factory be detonated.

00:03:49.780 And really, there was no criticism. There was no rebuttal to it.

00:03:52.780 The main criticism I'm seeing, actually, to my tweet is people saying, Germany didn't do this because Greta told...

00:03:58.120 Well, obviously not literally. Greta doesn't command the German government. 1.00

00:04:02.340 I mean that Greta Thunberg and the rest of the climate cult that's very active in Germany, including the Green Party,

00:04:09.080 they made this politically possible.

00:04:11.220 They made it politically necessary to waste a three billion euro power plant and replace it with something green that I promise you will not work,

00:04:19.600 or at the very least won't work affordably.

00:04:21.220 And my last point about Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping laughing, well, that's exactly what they're doing,

00:04:27.760 because how can you re-militarize your country if you're de-industrializing it?

00:04:33.420 And here's what I'm talking about. What's this re-militarized business?

00:04:36.440 Well, remember a few weeks ago the Trump-Zelensky meeting in the Oval Office that went sideways?

00:04:42.320 It shocked NATO and the European Union for a number of reasons.

00:04:45.820 First of all, they hate Trump to begin with. They have full Trump arrangement syndrome.

00:04:49.160 I should tell you, Trump was actually very polite for the first half hour of that meeting.

00:04:55.320 It was only when they were wrapping it up that Zelensky provoked a fight by sparring with J.D. Vance

00:05:00.200 and audibly calling him a bitch in Ukrainian, which is crazy. 0.98

00:05:07.400 Trump officials later confirmed that this was the third time Zelensky did something to avoid signing the deal. 0.97

00:05:14.580 I don't know if you remember that.

00:05:15.580 President Trump sent me there to, again, we were supposed to bring the Ukrainian people closer to the U.S. people,

00:05:24.740 send a strong signal to Russian leadership that we had not only shared values, but now shared economic interest,

00:05:33.360 and also have a strong signal for the American people that their tax dollars were actually going to work.

00:05:41.960 Instead, President Zelensky and I had a very tough 45-minute meeting at a very loud decibel level,

00:05:49.360 and I kept telling him, Mr. President, the purpose of this is to show the Russians there is no daylight between us. 0.92

00:05:57.660 And at the end of the meeting, he said, well, I'm not signing this.

00:06:01.280 I said, at the end of the meeting, I said to him, what do you want to go out and tell the press?

00:06:05.580 He said, I said, because I don't want to go out and show the Russians that there's daylight in between us. 0.87

00:06:11.640 And he said, well, I'm going to go out and say I'll sign it in Munich.

00:06:15.480 Then he got to Munich, and he ran into Vice President Vance and Secretary Rubio,

00:06:21.380 very different than Vice President Harris and Secretary Blinken, but he didn't sign the agreement.

00:06:26.780 So finally, we were supposed to have the signing today.

00:06:30.000 It was supposed to be a great day, and this is one of the biggest own goals in diplomatic history.

00:06:36.260 But of course, it was still shocking, because it was so different from how Joe Biden had been for the previous four years.

00:06:43.300 And because, of course, critics see Trump as nefarious as possible.

00:06:48.640 He's never making decisions in good faith.

00:06:50.740 There's always some scheme.

00:06:51.780 That's what Europe thinks.

00:06:52.760 I think Trump just wants to end the war.

00:06:57.640 I mean, that's what he's been saying relentlessly.

00:06:59.700 And I think he wants NATO to rearm itself and pay for itself.

00:07:04.220 And that's nothing new.

00:07:05.180 I mean, I don't know if you remember this video of Trump scolding NATO in his first term for not paying his fair share.

00:07:13.860 Remember this clip?

00:07:14.380 I have been very, very direct with Secretary Stoltenberg and members of the alliance in saying that NATO members must finally contribute their fair share and meet their financial obligations.

00:07:32.700 But 23 of the 28 member nations are still not paying what they should be paying and what they are supposed to be paying for their defense.

00:07:46.420 This is not fair to the people and taxpayers of the United States.

00:07:50.500 And many of these nations owe massive amounts of money from past years and not paying in those past years.

00:07:59.460 Over the last eight years, the United States spent more on defense than all other NATO countries combined.

00:08:07.460 If all NATO members had spent just 2 percent of their GDP on defense last year, we would have had another $119 billion for our collective defense and for the financing of additional NATO reserves.

00:08:28.460 I mean, that was when one of the few meetings that Donald Trump had with Justin Trudeau, he was scolding Trudeau over not paying its fair share and Canada not paying the fair share and Trudeau fibbing about it.

00:08:43.300 Remember that?

00:08:44.420 Well, we'll put them on a payment plan, you know?

00:08:46.520 We'll put Canada on a payment plan, right?

00:08:48.360 I'm sure the Prime Minister would love that.

00:08:50.260 What are you at?

00:08:51.100 What is your number?

00:08:51.980 The number we talked about is 70 percent increase over these past years, including, and for the coming years, including significant investments in our fighter jets, significant investments in our naval fleets.

00:09:07.800 We are increasing significantly our defense spending from previous governments that cut it.

00:09:13.160 Okay.

00:09:13.720 Where are you now in terms of your number?

00:09:16.320 One-fourth.

00:09:17.320 One-fourth.

00:09:18.360 And continuing to move on.

00:09:19.920 They're getting there.

00:09:20.440 They know it's important to do that.

00:09:23.660 And their economy is doing well.

00:09:25.680 They'll get there quickly.

00:09:26.520 Now, obviously, when it comes to Ukraine, I hope there is peace for both countries' population's sake.

00:09:33.400 But Europe took this whole terrible meeting to mean that Trump is leaving NATO, that he's against NATO.

00:09:41.260 I don't think so.

00:09:42.260 I think Trump does want Europe to pay its way.

00:09:45.220 It's true.

00:09:45.620 And I think he wants every country to pay their way.

00:09:48.600 And, look, we don't like the tariff war that's happening at the same time.

00:09:52.240 I don't like it.

00:09:53.000 But if it's possible to see things from America's point of view, I think Trump is saying, America is the most important market in the world.

00:10:02.400 If you want access to our market, you give us equal access to yours.

00:10:06.080 That's this whole reciprocal tariffs thing.

00:10:09.280 America actually, I was surprised to learn this, has the lowest tariffs and non-tariff barriers of any major economy.

00:10:17.940 As in, America is the most open to the world's imports.

00:10:21.520 If you don't mean, tell me why you can't get a mortgage from an American bank in Canada, why you can't get an American cell phone carrier or contract, why you can't buy American chicken or cheese or milk or yogurt.

00:10:37.480 This is what America first means. 0.70

00:10:39.460 This is related in a way, and I'll explain how, to the recent revocation of visas of, you know, non-permanent residents or student visas from anti-American extremists.

00:10:54.980 In recent weeks, pro-Hamas activists, particularly on campus, have been arrested and their visas seized and they've been put on the path to deportation.

00:11:04.480 And I'll say it again, I said it everywhere, let me be abundantly clear, okay, if you go apply for a visa right now, anywhere in the world, let me just send this message out.

00:11:12.100 If you apply for a visa to enter the United States and be a student, and you tell us that the reason why you're coming to the United States is not just because you want to write op-eds,

00:11:20.280 but because you want to participate in movements that are involved in doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings, creating a ruckus, we're not going to give you a visa.

00:11:31.080 If you lie to us and get a visa and then enter the United States and with that visa participate in that sort of activity, we're going to take away your visa.

00:11:38.820 And once you've lost your visa, you're no longer legally in the United States, and we have a right, like every country in the world has a right, to remove you from our country. 0.99

00:11:46.260 So it's just that simple. I think it's crazy. I think it's stupid for any country in the world to welcome people into their country that are going to go to your universities as visitors. 1.00

00:11:55.760 They're visitors. And say, I'm going to your universities to start a riot. I'm going to your universities to take over a library and harass people. 0.99

00:12:04.420 I don't care what movement you're involved in. Why would any country in the world allow people to come and disrupt?

00:12:09.300 We gave you a visa to come and study and get a degree, not to become a social activist.

00:12:14.500 I think these are related because I think this is about, you're not going to like the word, I think this is about respect.

00:12:21.520 I mean, why did the White House, in cooperation with the leadership of El Salvador,

00:12:28.940 why did they put up this video of really, really hardened Latin American gang members being put on planes, shipped from America to El Salvador, having their heads shaved and put in a prison?

00:12:44.500 Do you see this video?

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00:15:19.280 I hope that Canada can get through this because I don't want our country to be pushed around, but

00:15:19.880 I think that's where it's coming from.

00:15:21.280 from. I think Trump is reasserting respect and self-respect, and he's demanding both if you want

00:15:28.760 access to his market or if you want military support. Back to that falling tower in Germany.

00:15:35.780 You know, Germany has been one of the most pro-Ukraine and anti-Putin countries in Europe,

00:15:41.240 and good for them. I mean, they have historical loggerheads with Russia, but Germany is now 0.52

00:15:48.740 talking about remilitarizing with actually with huge sums of money. They're talking about it.

00:15:54.260 They haven't done it yet. Anyone who has heard of World War I or World War II should be a little

00:16:00.420 bit nervous about Germany rearming, but I do think it's a good thing. I think I've showed you this 0.99

00:16:05.340 stat before. There are 50,000 U.S. soldiers in Germany right now at 40 American military bases,

00:16:13.040 40 U.S. bases in Germany. The war is over 80 years ago, and American soldiers have not left.

00:16:21.000 They're still in Japan, too. They're still in Korea, too. They're still in Cuba from that war. I mean,

00:16:27.800 it's incredible how much money, blood, and treasure the Americans spend around the world.

00:16:35.080 Why is the United States the Globocop? It's a question Trump asks sometimes.

00:16:40.140 Maybe America wants to be. Maybe America wants the whole world run in its image, and I think a lot

00:16:46.420 of Americans like that. But then again, maybe Americans don't after so many forever wars. How

00:16:51.900 many trillions of dollars spent in Iraq and Afghanistan, and for what? Hey, remember that

00:16:58.660 guy Callum, the Brit we spoke to the other day who was arrested under the Terrorism Act, and police

00:17:05.020 grilled him for six hours. Remember him? I saw this video he posted the other day from Afghanistan.

00:17:11.140 Just watch this for a minute.

00:17:14.700 So I found this big trash pile. All trash. Things that Afghanis don't need. 1.00

00:17:21.100 Loads of chairs. A lot of crap. More chairs and rugs that I don't want. 1.00

00:17:26.600 What else don't they want in Afghanistan? 1.00

00:17:28.120 Gender sensitivity training. USAID, Afghans, Value Chains, Livestock, Gender, and Youth Team.

00:17:38.740 Oh no.

00:17:43.840 Women's agriculture. 0.99

00:17:47.360 Don't need that anymore. 0.99

00:17:50.160 That's for trash heap. 1.00

00:17:52.240 More gender sensitivity training. 0.99

00:17:54.860 Don't need that.

00:17:55.780 Oh my God.

00:17:59.380 Apparently when we landed, there was immediately a firefight between some ISIS guys and Taliban

00:18:05.280 guys just down there. Taliban won.

00:18:09.660 Did you see that? American taxpayers' dollars was going towards gender analysis in Afghanistan.

00:18:18.920 Obviously the Taliban have thrown that all out. I mean, that's what American money has gone

00:18:23.740 to around the world. And I think a lot of Americans are sick of it.

00:18:27.900 Anyways, a reality check is usually a conservative thing. When people daydream, that's usually a

00:18:33.340 liberal instinct. And you want to have dreams. You want to think big. I do. But reality is

00:18:38.660 conservative.

00:18:40.640 Will Canada actually be self-sufficient, as both the liberals and the conservatives tell us?

00:18:48.280 Here's a tweet from Anita Anand. She says, yes, we will build an all-in-Canada auto manufacturing

00:18:56.880 sector powered by Canadian workers while using Canadian steel and aluminum. Canada strong. And

00:19:02.940 she retweets a video from Mark Carney. Well, that's a tall order. It takes a lot of things to just build

00:19:10.720 an auto industry. I mean, you have to be a pretty serious country to do that. Not all countries in

00:19:17.000 the world have a car industry. For example, you have to be serious enough to use coal to make steel.

00:19:25.740 I don't know if you know this, but you cannot make steel without coal. Nothing else burns hot enough.

00:19:32.160 Did you know that? So all the steel in those big wind turbines, they cannot be made without coal.

00:19:37.660 I'm reminded, though, of this bizarre, flippant comment by Mark Carney about steel.

00:19:45.800 Secondly, what we're going to do is make sure not that the government pays, not that we as

00:19:51.560 taxpayers pay, but the large polluters pay. And so what happens-

00:19:55.940 But does that not ultimately trickle down?

00:19:57.940 No, because what the big companies are producing, by and large, are not products that we are consuming.

00:20:05.060 There's some element of that, but by and large, you know, a steel company, how much steel are you using these days, Todd?

00:20:11.320 I mean, not as much.

00:20:13.120 Canadians don't need steel. He said that like two weeks ago.

00:20:17.260 Mark Carney hates steel because he hates coal, and he hates oil and gas, and he hates all of carbon.

00:20:25.400 And it's his entire motive, G-Fans, that we talked about yesterday, the Glasgow Finance Alliance for net zero.

00:20:35.160 What would net zero in an industry actually look like?

00:20:38.620 It would look a little bit like that detonated coal plant in Germany, wouldn't it? 0.82

00:20:44.080 That's net zero.

00:20:45.240 Remember what we saw yesterday about G-Fans? 0.99

00:20:50.580 He's been a net zero advisor to the United Kingdom government, too.

00:20:54.800 Remember he said that under oath?

00:20:57.220 Well, would you look at this headline from the Daily Telegraph today?

00:21:01.920 Today, there's no more British steel.

00:21:05.980 Now, British steel is the name of a company.

00:21:08.360 It actually hasn't been British for a while.

00:21:10.360 It's owned by China.

00:21:11.800 Imagine that.

00:21:12.600 I mean, talk about the opposite of America first.

00:21:15.060 The U.K. allowed China to buy its last steel company.

00:21:19.580 Let me read to you a little bit from this Telegraph story.

00:21:22.260 British Steel's Chinese owners.

00:21:24.960 I just got to say that again.

00:21:26.920 British Steel's Chinese owners reject 500 million pounds of taxpayers' cash to go green. 0.87

00:21:34.240 So the U.K. is offering them the equivalent of a billion dollars Canadian to go green.

00:21:39.740 How do you make a steel company green when, like I say, look it up yourself, you cannot make steel without coal?

00:21:49.600 British Steel's Chinese owners reject half a billion pounds of taxpayers' cash to go green. 0.99

00:21:55.160 Future of U.K.'s only virgin steel factory faces fresh doubts.

00:22:00.880 Virgin steel is when you make steel from scratch as opposed to just melting down scrap metal.

00:22:05.320 Let me read a little bit.

00:22:05.940 The future of one of Britain's biggest steel makers has been thrown into doubt after its Chinese owner rejected 500 million pounds from the government to help it switch to green energy.

00:22:15.560 Jing Yeh. 0.89

00:22:16.920 The Chinese steel group is understood to have told U.K. ministers that it will not accept the subsidy to invest in green production at its British Steel Operations' Scunthorpe.

00:22:26.680 You want to say that carefully because it falls short of the one billion pounds demanded.

00:22:33.240 The rejection raises fresh doubts about the future of this site, which employs thousands of workers.

00:22:39.900 On Wednesday, Sarah Jones, the energy minister, told the business select committee its offer to British Steel to keep its operations going had been rejected.

00:22:47.120 Quote, we made an offer to British Steel on Monday and they have rejected that offer.

00:22:50.560 We are still in talks with them at the moment, she said.

00:22:53.400 Our preference would be for the blast furnaces to keep going. 0.69

00:22:58.040 For the time being, she told the committee.

00:23:00.580 The Scunthorpe site is currently the only site in the U.K. that can make virgin steel using blast furnaces.

00:23:07.940 The government, get this, the government has been pushing for producers to switch to greener electric furnace production, which mostly melts scrap steel or iron and mixes it with some virgin steel.

00:23:22.220 The Scunthorpe plant's blast furnaces have been earmarked for closure since, get this, 2023 after the Rishi Sunak's administration pushed for greener production in its quest to reach net zero.

00:23:35.640 I don't know if you remember Rishi Sunak, he was the last conservative PM there.

00:23:41.120 So the conservative party was pushing for this.

00:23:44.060 Yeah, it's falling apart under the Labour Party, but both parties support this madness.

00:23:50.200 But it's not madness from their point of view.

00:23:53.860 What do you think net zero means?

00:23:56.760 It means toppling a coal factory in Germany.

00:24:00.320 It means shutting down a steel factory in the U.K.

00:24:03.780 What do you think the zero part of net zero means?

00:24:07.580 Both of these stories, the coal factory detonated, the coal fired blast furnaces going cold.

00:24:15.940 That is a success.

00:24:18.820 If your way of looking at the world is net zero, it is incredible that the U.K. has only one steel mill left.

00:24:24.720 That's where the industrial revolution was born.

00:24:26.900 An island built out of coal was harnessed to make trains and ships and factories.

00:24:33.440 It was amazing.

00:24:34.440 It transformed the world.

00:24:35.840 It improved the life of everyone on the planet.

00:24:39.900 The industrial revolution was a British invention. 0.95

00:24:43.260 But so was net zero, wasn't it?

00:24:46.320 China already owns their last steel mill.

00:24:50.060 Now they're shutting it down.

00:24:51.640 Mark Carney approves.

00:24:52.640 That's what, what do you think net zero means?

00:24:54.260 What do you think transition means?

00:24:57.260 Yeah, Germany's being shut down.

00:24:58.580 The U.K.'s being shut down.

00:25:00.440 What do you think Mark Carney will do to us here?

00:25:03.940 You cannot remilitarize if you de-industrialize.

00:25:07.480 And when Anita Anand said she's going to build an auto industry, not without coal, you're not.

00:25:15.540 Stay with us, Moorhead.

00:25:24.260 Well, one thing to know about Canada's new prime minister, and it's so weird to say that because he hasn't been elected by anyone.

00:25:35.020 He doesn't have a seat in the House of Commons.

00:25:37.020 The liberal selection process was clearly compromised.

00:25:41.060 Two-thirds of the voters were disqualified from voting.

00:25:44.600 The results were laughably improbable.

00:25:46.960 I don't know if you saw this, but here's the prime minister, Mark Carney, meeting a group of automakers.

00:25:53.600 And the way he introduces himself, I'm Mark Carney, the prime minister, because no one can really believe it.

00:26:01.680 Everyone knows it's sort of a fake.

00:26:03.500 He was injected, parachuted, carpetbagged.

00:26:05.920 Here, take a quick look at that.

00:26:06.940 It's so awkward.

00:26:07.940 And look at their faces.

00:26:09.140 They're thinking, who is this guy?

00:26:11.440 How did, is he like an imposter or a Manchurian candidate or some sort of doppelganger?

00:26:17.360 Take a quick look at this.

00:26:18.740 Can everyone hear me?

00:26:20.440 Hopefully not.

00:26:21.580 If you're lucky, you can't hear me.

00:26:22.820 If you're unfortunate, you're close, you can hear me.

00:26:27.640 Mark Carney, prime minister.

00:26:30.140 Well, I think the thing to know about Mark Carney is that he actually is very well known in his own circles, which just don't happen to be Canadian circles.

00:26:39.840 He's well known in international circles, in NGO circles, and most importantly, in global warming circles.

00:26:47.400 As you know, he's the co-chair until very recently of GFANS, the Glasgow Financial Alliance for Net Zero.

00:26:54.440 And Net Zero, it's sort of been thrown in the wastebasket in America, but boy is it at work at the UK.

00:27:03.500 They're closing their last steel plant there, which is the definition of Net Zero.

00:27:09.720 Net Zero is exactly what it sounds like.

00:27:11.580 No more emissions.

00:27:12.760 No more carbon.

00:27:13.660 And you really can't make steel without emitting carbon because you can't make steel without burning coal.

00:27:20.060 Let's check in with our favorite expert on the matters of carbon.

00:27:24.620 And I love his point of view on Mark Carney and what he is besides a prime minister.

00:27:30.660 No one really believes he's prime minister, but he has a long track record on other matters.

00:27:36.100 I'm talking about Mark Morano, the head of ClimateDepot.com.

00:27:39.740 He joins us now.

00:27:40.540 Mark, great to see you again.

00:27:42.200 Thank you, Ezra.

00:27:42.800 Happy to be here.

00:27:43.440 You know, I would not have thought that Mark Carney had a chance to become prime minister other than in this very brief interregnum because the conservatives were leading by 20 points until recently.

00:27:55.440 But there's actually a chance that Mark Carney could win.

00:27:58.600 The polls are showing it's pretty much all tied up.

00:28:01.440 Now, I'm still optimistic, but maybe you can give our viewers a little bit of background.

00:28:05.700 Put aside his Canadian political blah, blah, blah, which we're covering pretty well.

00:28:11.260 Tell us about him until last month.

00:28:15.020 Like, until last month, he didn't live in Canada.

00:28:17.940 Until last month, he wasn't really a Canadian politician.

00:28:21.500 He was an advisor behind the curtain or something.

00:28:25.100 Who is Mark Carney?

00:28:26.860 What don't Canadians know about him?

00:28:29.680 Well, I wrote about him in my book, The Great Reset, Global Elites and the Permanent Lockdown.

00:28:33.540 The simplest way to explain Mark Carney, there's two ways.

00:28:37.940 One is meet the new boss for Canada, same as the old boss.

00:28:41.460 He's Justin Trudeau 2.0.

00:28:43.260 But here's the second and most important.

00:28:45.980 He is a WFE, World Economic Forum.

00:28:51.400 I guess you would say he's not a flunky of them or he's not a puppet of them.

00:28:58.180 He's the guy pulling the strings.

00:29:00.360 Right.

00:29:00.660 And that's the difference between Justin Trudeau and him.

00:29:04.220 This is you've got a very competent globalist World Economic Forum person now in charge of Canada,

00:29:12.460 whereas he's not going to take marching orders.

00:29:14.740 This is the guy Mark Carney has been used to giving marching orders.

00:29:17.960 As the former governor of the Bank of England, the Bank of Canada,

00:29:22.360 he was central along with people like Larry Fink of BlackRock.

00:29:27.140 By the way, great, great interview with him in Davos this year, even though he didn't talk much.

00:29:33.020 Central in installing environment, social governance, installing the Net Zero Banking Alliance.

00:29:38.840 He has been at the forefront as the mastermind, if you will.

00:29:42.920 Again, Mark Carney is the man who pulls the puppet strings.

00:29:46.520 Justin Trudeau was the man who was pulled by the puppet strings.

00:29:49.520 That's the difference of what Canada is getting here.

00:29:52.080 Tell me a little bit more about G-Fans.

00:29:54.360 It's interesting to me.

00:29:55.080 I didn't know until literally this week that the U.S. Congress has been investigating G-Fans. 0.93

00:30:01.540 That's the Glasgow Financial Alliance for Net Zero.

00:30:05.840 That's Mark Carney's ESG group.

00:30:08.920 They've been investigated.

00:30:10.880 Thomas Massey is part of that investigation for collusion, for a cartel, for anti-market, anti-competitive forces

00:30:21.020 in how they've basically threatened U.S. companies, including coal companies,

00:30:26.760 how they've threatened ExxonMobil, who I thought no one can threaten ExxonMobil.

00:30:30.940 They're the biggest company really in America.

00:30:32.960 Tell me a little bit more about G-Fans.

00:30:36.940 That's a phrase I had never heard in my life until a week ago.

00:30:40.320 What should we know about G-Fans? 1.00

00:30:41.940 The Glasgow Financial Alliance for Net Zero.

00:30:44.460 Okay.

00:30:45.060 If you go back, when Trump was first elected is when all of this became in earnest.

00:30:50.460 This whole idea, we're not going to get it now internationally because Trump's going to be a roadblock in a large way,

00:30:57.020 and we're also not going to get it in the United States.

00:30:58.720 So we have to do this behind the scenes, and what Thomas Massey is doing is exactly spot on.

00:31:04.480 They absolutely bypass democracy using the banking industry, the equity asset firms,

00:31:11.560 and collusion between whether it's State Street and BlackRock and all the other equity assets

00:31:18.200 and these central bank net zero alliances in the World Economic Forum and the United Nations coordinating.

00:31:25.660 They essentially bypass democracy in every country by forcing behaviors.

00:31:31.600 That was the phrase by Larry Fink.

00:31:33.520 You know, working with Mark Carney, working with all of these initiatives,

00:31:36.180 and the behavior had the whole woke agenda, everything from transgender to critical race theory.

00:31:41.940 But for the purposes of this conversation, most importantly, it was the climate issues.

00:31:46.500 They didn't need Congress to pass a bill.

00:31:48.680 They didn't need a president to do executive orders.

00:31:51.060 They were forcing upon global and national businesses, whether in the U.S., Canada,

00:31:57.720 their entire net zero ideology.

00:31:59.960 In other words, these companies didn't get funded.

00:32:02.520 Managers didn't get promoted.

00:32:03.820 Managers couldn't even keep their jobs in some places unless they went along with this agenda.

00:32:08.720 So it was a complete collusion, a racketeering enterprise where they were withholding the money

00:32:13.460 to get the behavior they wanted, and they bragged about it openly.

00:32:18.080 And if you look at, you know, Mark Carney's history, his whole point was doing all of this

00:32:23.940 behind the scenes, behind closed doors, working with the bankers.

00:32:28.100 He didn't care what countries wanted, what voters wanted.

00:32:30.900 And I think this is ripe for a massive investigation.

00:32:34.900 It's massive fraud.

00:32:36.000 It's massive collusion.

00:32:37.280 And we have to make sure this kind of thing never happens again.

00:32:40.780 Thomas Massey's investigation happened last year.

00:32:43.620 The report was issued by Republican congressional staff in December.

00:32:48.000 And I know what I was doing in December.

00:32:49.960 I was, A, thinking about the Christmas break, but B, I was riveted by every single day Donald

00:32:55.920 Trump had a new announcement, pronouncement, promise from Mar-a-Lago.

00:33:00.300 So he wasn't president yet, but he was talking about tariffs and he was talking about Ukraine.

00:33:05.020 He was talking about Israel and Gaza.

00:33:06.380 So when the Republicans put out their paper on how G-fans and several other groups committed

00:33:15.800 anti-competitive acts, breaking the law by threatening energy companies, I missed it.

00:33:21.460 And I think a lot of the world, I mean, which would you rather do?

00:33:24.840 Pay attention to Donald Trump's hot tweets or read some report by congressional staff about

00:33:31.280 G-fans? 0.73

00:33:32.740 I still barely know what that is.

00:33:35.000 And even when I say the words, I'm super bored.

00:33:38.000 Like, it's so uninteresting.

00:33:39.540 And I think that's on purpose.

00:33:41.820 Is there a chance that'll get any legs?

00:33:44.140 Like, I think there's a chance that Mark Carney will be PM.

00:33:47.160 I'd give that chance 33%.

00:33:49.560 But she was literally deposed by Hill staff.

00:33:54.380 Like, this wasn't a congressional hearing where the congressmen were out front all making

00:33:58.360 their blowhard speeches.

00:34:00.040 And there was a witness there for an hour.

00:34:01.800 Mark Carney was fully deposed.

00:34:04.440 There was a transcript of it.

00:34:06.180 Like, it was a heavy duty investigation into cartel activities.

00:34:11.480 And the guy who they investigated might be our next prime minister.

00:34:16.340 Technically, he's our prime minister right now.

00:34:20.120 Yeah, well, this is always gets into, first of all, issues of jurisdiction.

00:34:23.760 Can a United States congressional authority really, you know, put anything with teeth on

00:34:28.900 someone like Mark Carney, who's essentially a globalist.

00:34:31.620 His loyalty isn't to Canada.

00:34:33.040 His loyalty is to the World Economic Forum and the whole net zero agenda.

00:34:37.720 This is a, you know, this is one of the, this is literally one of the handful of players

00:34:41.480 around the world when you talk about the deep state.

00:34:44.080 It is Mark Carney.

00:34:45.240 I'm not that optimistic that he'll face any legal repercussions.

00:34:50.260 But I think the more we get this known, the more, but I think part of it is what you're

00:34:54.100 saying.

00:34:54.560 It's too arcane for the average person to understand.

00:34:58.520 But essentially what they need to understand, you need to use words like cartel.

00:35:01.800 You need to use words like racketeering because that's what these bankers colluded to do led

00:35:07.720 by Mark Carney.

00:35:08.380 Again, as I, as I half jokingly say, he doesn't just know where the bodies are buried.

00:35:13.920 He helped bury them.

00:35:15.060 He helped put them in the condition that they were ready to be buried.

00:35:18.060 And I mean that in a, you know, philosophical sense, because he went after everywhere that

00:35:23.520 put up resistance to any of this agenda.

00:35:26.480 And that includes, again, transgender ideology, critical race, the climate agenda.

00:35:31.420 They found out ways to bypass it, to collude and to force this agenda on companies,

00:35:37.200 on energy companies, on companies that they knew wasn't in their best interest, but they

00:35:40.940 had no choice but to go along.

00:35:43.320 And that's where Thomas Massey's investigation really shines.

00:35:45.920 So, you know, it's, it's very difficult, Ezra, as you will, to bring down these people.

00:35:51.620 It's very difficult to even interview them or hold them even momentarily accountable.

00:35:55.600 No, I wouldn't put too much stock in anything immediately coming from the investigation.

00:36:00.220 But the biggest thing is public awareness.

00:36:02.200 You know, I keep thinking about what Donald Trump did to the president of the country

00:36:07.860 of Colombia.

00:36:08.920 Trump was sending a couple of planes full of deportees back to Colombia.

00:36:13.380 The president of Colombia refused them landing rights, saying it's undignified for them to

00:36:17.920 be on military planes.

00:36:19.420 So Donald Trump, who was informed of this while on the golf course, said, all right, freeze

00:36:24.640 all visa applications from the country of Colombia.

00:36:26.840 Sanctions on the president and his family and his government.

00:36:30.540 Like, he basically went, he turned on every single possible switch.

00:36:34.620 And literally in less than an hour, the president of Colombia said, okay, I'll send my presidential

00:36:40.080 plane for these deportees and we accept them. 0.99

00:36:45.700 And then he went on some long poetic statement about how America is boring, but maybe Trump

00:36:50.660 would have a beer with him.

00:36:51.500 It was really weird.

00:36:52.140 But my point is, Trump really focused on the individual guy and he rolled over.

00:36:59.260 I feel like a lot of Trump's jabbing at Trudeau was a personal thing and Trudeau is gone now.

00:37:07.320 And I think Trump has toned it down maybe 20%.

00:37:10.600 But here's what's interesting to me.

00:37:13.180 Trump has not, as we speak, Trump has not yet spoken to the Canadian prime minister, Mark

00:37:18.560 Carney.

00:37:18.860 And I'm starting to think that maybe he's not going to talk to him until the election

00:37:22.520 is over.

00:37:22.920 And on the one hand, that makes sense because maybe Mark Carney is not legitimate, doesn't

00:37:26.580 have a mandate.

00:37:27.380 Why should Donald Trump negotiate with a man with no mandate?

00:37:30.240 On the other hand, maybe it's, I don't understand what's going on.

00:37:33.280 It feels uncharted.

00:37:38.000 What do you think?

00:37:39.780 It's a very good question.

00:37:41.000 It's interesting because, you know, I guess the conventional wisdom is, you know, Donald

00:37:46.640 Trump helped Justin Trudeau, helped the Liberal Party, helped Mark Carney by going after Canada,

00:37:51.880 the 51st state and all that, and I think helped the nationalist pride.

00:37:55.100 So you think Mark Carney would be thanking Donald Trump?

00:37:57.780 It's hard to say.

00:37:58.820 I think Donald Trump, I'm not sure what he has in story.

00:38:01.780 Also with going after Greenland, he went to acquire Greenland for the mineral rights and

00:38:06.180 have a whole thing there, a whole issue with that.

00:38:09.400 I don't know.

00:38:10.060 I don't expect Carney and Trump to get along very well at all.

00:38:14.300 I think there's going to be a natural hostility between them.

00:38:17.740 Now, if after an election he does get a mandate and Carney is your next prime minister, that

00:38:22.140 may change.

00:38:23.120 But they may or may not talk before the election.

00:38:25.360 But I do think that Donald Trump is keeping it at arm's length at the moment.

00:38:29.520 I also think he's keeping a lot of allies at arm's length.

00:38:33.640 You know, even my daughters are like, what's going on?

00:38:35.500 Why is Trump fighting with all our allies?

00:38:37.600 Well, what he's doing is he's trying to make an omelet and you have to break a lot of eggs.

00:38:41.340 And those eggs in this situation are old U.S. allies.

00:38:44.880 Everything's being renegotiated, whether it's the terms of NATO when it comes to Ukraine.

00:38:49.280 The best joke was after Zelensky met with Trump in the Oval Office.

00:38:53.180 The joke was Vladimir Putin offered to mediate peace talks between the U.S. and Ukraine.

00:38:58.760 So I think what he's doing is he's breaking the table everywhere, including with Canada.

00:39:03.700 And I guess you guys are acutely aware of how that's gone.

00:39:06.420 And then he's going to reset the table, hopefully, to more favorable terms for the U.S.

00:39:10.500 and that we can get along.

00:39:11.760 And I think within six months or so, things are going to start being rapidly repaired.

00:39:17.280 So if Carney is your next prime minister, I do expect much, much better relations with the U.S. and Canada.

00:39:23.300 Yeah.

00:39:23.840 Hey, let me ask you one last question about net zero, because I've been riveted by what's happening in Germany and the U.K. lately.

00:39:29.580 You know, just in passing, I made a tweet about Germany detonating its most modern coal-fired power plant after just six years to make way for some green plan.

00:39:42.180 And I just, like the idea of detonating a six-year-old factory that probably had a 50-year lifespan, it was so symbolic of so much of the suicide of the West.

00:39:53.140 And then I saw, and that's related to net zero, and then I saw, I mean, I think the United Kingdom probably has the craziest net zero government in the world.

00:40:03.840 And I'm not going to blame it on the Labor Party, because Boris Johnson, the alleged conservative prime minister, was net zero crazy.

00:40:10.940 Like, I think that there was no politician in the world who was more obsessed with it than him.

00:40:15.760 So you can't blame this on the Labor Party.

00:40:18.720 I see that British Steel, which already is owned by China, which is sort of crazy to begin with, has announced it's shutting down the last, they call it virgin steel plant in the U.K.

00:40:32.240 So it's like making steel from scratch with blast furnaces, like not just reforming it or working with steel that someone else made.

00:40:42.540 But it's incredible to me that the place where the Industrial Revolution was born, an island made of coal, thank God, that's what fueled the Industrial Revolution, is now shutting down their last, and that, but that is what net zero means.

00:40:59.440 Give me your thoughts on the U.K.

00:41:00.980 Like, I just, I'm blown away by it, and yet net zero is still considered sane policy.

00:41:07.500 It's considered noble policy.

00:41:09.200 Yeah, I mean, if you go back, and you're absolutely right, it's nothing to, I mean, it's a lot to do with the Labor Party, but the Conservative Party.

00:41:16.600 Boris Johnson, in 2019, as prime minister, sought and actively attempted to put cement into the remaining fracking wells left in the U.K.

00:41:27.300 as a way of saying, this is permanent, our commitment to net zero is unwavering, very similar to what Germany did. 0.92

00:41:33.780 Now, they actually ended up not doing it at that moment, but there's still talk of them doing it now.

00:41:38.900 They want to cement those wells up as sort of a way, it's kind of like, I guess, a transgender person transitioning, getting the surgeries, like, there's no way I'm going back. 0.97

00:41:46.200 They're that committed to net zero.

00:41:49.180 And what's interesting about it is, in 2019, they had the U.K. Fires report, which was this crazy, bonkers net zero report that said you need to regulate CO2 as a pollutant and regulate it similar to asbestos.

00:42:02.260 Now, remember, we inhale oxygen, exhale CO2.

00:42:04.360 And Conservatives in the House of Lords debated, or House of Commons debated this actual bill, and they all said, well, of course, we support net zero, but, you know, maybe this goes a little too far.

00:42:15.080 They were talking about shutting airports.

00:42:16.640 They were talking about meat restrictions, travel restrictions.

00:42:19.420 And even the Conservative Party in England just couldn't bring themselves to attack this.

00:42:23.900 They were just dancing around the edges.

00:42:26.380 I don't have an explanation.

00:42:28.440 I don't understand how Canada, now, there's a bright spot with Nigel Farrar.

00:42:31.660 He seems like he finally gets it.

00:42:33.300 He comes after maybe being debanked over his position on climate change by NatWest Bank in England, has hardened up the opposition.

00:42:42.000 So I do have hope that England, you know, maybe at some point, their parliamentary system can get in a real climate skeptic and someone who's going to go against net zero.

00:42:50.500 But we shall see.

00:42:51.620 The Conservative Party has recently announced that they are abandoning net zero by 20, I don't know, 20, some year.

00:42:58.440 So it's the first step in their moment of clarity.

00:43:01.220 So we'll see how the U.K. Conservatives go forward here.

00:43:04.160 It's just so crazy to me.

00:43:05.420 I mean, at the same time, the U.K. and Germany are talking about we need to re-industrialize.

00:43:10.840 We're going to build our militaries and take on Russia because America won't. 0.94

00:43:14.340 Yeah.

00:43:14.580 They're shutting.

00:43:15.300 Try rebuilding your military without any steel.

00:43:19.380 Good luck with that.

00:43:20.120 Maybe China will make it for you. 1.00

00:43:21.560 A key point here, Ezra, is the more U.K., Germany, and by the way, German voters spoke loudly.

00:43:28.720 Their new prime minister mocked openly during the campaign all the climate pledges that, you know, the incumbent had.

00:43:36.620 I mean, it's just the first time.

00:43:37.980 And Germany was the climate leader in Europe.

00:43:39.680 So if Germany can do it, the rest is hope for the rest of Europe. 0.95

00:43:43.740 But the key I wanted to make is any time wealthy Western industrialized nations shut down their fossil fuel, their steel industries, their fracking, their oil and gas wells, all that does is raise global emissions of carbon dioxide.

00:44:00.520 Because all it's going to do is outsource it to Russia, to India, to China, to the Middle East, all these places without the environmental standards, not to mention human rights standards.

00:44:09.020 So that's all it does.

00:44:10.400 But it gives you an accounting trick where your country now has less emissions, but you're importing all those emissions.

00:44:16.720 Those are off the books.

00:44:17.700 So that's OK.

00:44:18.600 Right.

00:44:19.380 Wow.

00:44:19.980 What a strange time we're in.

00:44:22.700 I hope we get some sanity back in Canada.

00:44:26.580 I felt like we were really close to getting rid of Trudeau and putting in Pierre Polyev.

00:44:32.180 That's in jeopardy, but it's not done.

00:44:34.320 That cake is not yet baked.

00:44:35.860 So there's still time to turn it around.

00:44:38.120 And I've got to think that I know some people find it comforting to have this authoritarian hand descend down.

00:44:47.120 If you look at the polling, it's pretty much just boomers and seniors who, like Mark Carney, young people do not at all.

00:44:56.580 It'll be interesting to see what happens.

00:44:58.380 Mark, it's great to catch up.

00:44:59.320 Sorry, last word to you.

00:45:00.880 Yeah, I was going to say he did bring the carbon tax to zero, but he didn't abolish the carbon tax, which is the argument we've always made here in the U.S.

00:45:07.580 No carbon tax ever, because once you allow a new tax by government, they can play around.

00:45:12.900 You'll never get rid of any other tax.

00:45:14.680 You've just added the authority.

00:45:15.760 So even though he's brought it down to zero, of course, as you well know, the carbon tax still exists.

00:45:20.100 I just wanted to say one thing.

00:45:20.980 My headline this week, Donald Trump, according to Bloomberg, 82 actions across 20 government bodies in 52 days.

00:45:30.180 They're calling it a climate onslaught.

00:45:32.600 Years of climate action demolished in days by Trump.

00:45:36.760 I bring that up to say maybe that can rub off on Canada.

00:45:40.460 You're right.

00:45:41.760 If we want to be competitive, if we want to keep our trade with America, so many of the companies and industries in Canada are American, including GM and Ford.

00:45:52.280 Third, the oil sands are either American companies like Imperial Oil or companies with huge American investments, like the Canadian ones, Cenobus, for example.

00:46:05.140 I think Trump is breaking everything, some on purpose, most things on purpose, some not on purpose, because he wants to reset them.

00:46:13.480 And I hope that when the dust settles, we benefit from that, too, because right now it certainly feels chaotic.

00:46:19.960 Great to see you, Mark.

00:46:20.660 Thanks for keeping in touch.

00:46:21.620 Thank you, Ezra.

00:46:22.740 I appreciate it.

00:46:22.940 There he is, Mark Morano, the boss of ClimateDepot.com.

00:46:26.320 Stay with us.

00:46:26.920 More ahead.

00:46:39.060 Hello, my friends.

00:46:40.260 Robert Kerr, 8818, writes,

00:46:43.700 Carney should not be anywhere near political office in this country.

00:46:46.080 He certainly hasn't ingratiated himself in front of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee.

00:46:50.240 Potential antitrust violations are what the lawyer's deposition is all about.

00:46:55.600 Yeah, I mean, that is a heavy-duty deposition.

00:46:59.120 That's not just answering questions for half an hour in front of the TV cameras.

00:47:03.560 That is a serious investigation.

00:47:05.820 I'm sort of shocked it hasn't been reported on anywhere.

00:47:10.140 Tammy Robinson says,

00:47:11.240 There's so much of a tangled web there, and we've only begun to scratch the surface.

00:47:29.180 T.S. says he's even more condescending than Trudeau.

00:47:33.020 I did not think it possible.

00:47:34.520 You know, I'm calling him Trudeau 2.0, smarter, harder working, more dangerous.

00:47:40.500 Well, that's our show for today.

00:47:43.300 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home,

00:47:47.320 good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

00:47:49.620 T.S. says he's even more condescending than Trudeau 2.0, more condescending than Trudeau 2.0, more condescending than Trudeau 2.0.

00:48:04.620 T.S. says he's even more condescending than Trudeau 2.0.

Rebel News Podcast - March 27, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Europe talks about re-arming itself, but it's actually deindustrializing. Can it really do both？

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