Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ EZRA LEVANT： Carney's WEF-style socialism will fail

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. We have a strange new economy. I don't know if you know it.

00:00:04.860 Businesses need Mark Carney's personal approval before they're allowed to open.

00:00:09.260 They may be complying with the law. They may have all the money they need.

00:00:13.000 But if Mark Carney finds them boring, he won't approve them. And he doesn't really have any

00:00:18.900 explanation for what he likes and what he doesn't like. It's all very personal,

00:00:22.280 very third world, you know, El Jefe, the chief. Well, you have to get the mob boss's approval.

00:00:28.780 It's very strange. I think it's going to fail. It's a managed economy, not a free economy.

00:00:34.240 I'll take you through his latest statements. And then later, Drea Humphrey live on location

00:00:39.400 from the interior of BC when, oh, there's a bit of a scrap. I'm glad we had some security for it

00:00:45.220 because there was some shoving and pushing. We'll show you that. But first, let me invite you to

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00:01:21.700 Tonight, Mark Carney is bringing World Economic Forum-style socialism to Canada, and it's not

00:01:43.620 going to work. It's November 14th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:46.980 You're fighting for freedom. Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:02:02.040 Oh, hi, everybody. I'm sorry I wasn't here yesterday. I was actually down for a few hours

00:02:07.800 at Mar-a-Lago in Florida. I had been invited by James O'Keefe, formerly of Project Veritas,

00:02:14.680 now with the O'Keefe Media Group, or OMG. He's really, I think, America's leading undercover

00:02:20.880 journalist. He's built a whole team of undercover journalists exposing scandals. And yesterday was

00:02:27.800 his Citizen Journalism Gala, and he invited me to attend. And I thought, well, I've got to go.

00:02:35.260 And the fact that it was Mar-a-Lago, I think, was very exciting. There was a chance the president would

00:02:39.560 be there. In the end, there wasn't, but I still had to provide my details in advance for the Secret

00:02:44.820 Service. I guess they're always on alert in case Trump does go down to his Florida home.

00:02:49.660 It was a very fancy event, as you can imagine, it being at Mar-a-Lago. It was very large. I didn't

00:02:55.480 count properly, but I'd say there was between 500 and 1,000 people there. They even had an awards

00:03:01.440 ceremony for best citizen journalists. And some of our friends were there, including Andy Ngo,

00:03:06.820 who, as you know, has been an expert on following Antifa, Savannah Hernandez. Anyway,

00:03:12.900 that was very interesting to see. I think I know why he went fancy, Mar-a-Lago, and being,

00:03:19.820 I guess, the fanciest. I think it's because citizen journalism is looked down on by the establishment,

00:03:26.620 by snobby insiders. Oh, it's uncouth. It's uneducated. Where's your degree? Who do you think

00:03:32.700 you are? Know your place. So a way to combat all that condescension is to go to the fanciest,

00:03:39.820 most powerful place you could think of. Mar-a-Lago is pretty fancy and powerful. Well,

00:03:45.100 it's the president's home. So I think that was a deliberate strategy by James and his supporters to

00:03:51.720 say, no, we're not nobodies. We're not outsiders. We are the media now. And it was exciting. There

00:03:57.460 weren't, I don't think I saw, I saw one other Canadian down there. I saw people from other

00:04:03.460 independent media. It was pretty cool. I think we should do the same thing in Canada.

00:04:07.280 And the independent press gallery, I think, should give it a try. Again, to recognize independent

00:04:13.080 citizen journalism in Canada. It's not just Rebel anymore, as you know. There's Juno and Western

00:04:18.000 Standard and Epoch Times. And then there's lots of sort of one-person operations out there.

00:04:24.240 It's growing, not as densely as in America, but I think having an awards gala

00:04:28.540 would serve the same purpose. It would recognize the work of independent journalists,

00:04:33.780 and it would maybe give a touch of fanciness if there was a gala with prizes. Anyway,

00:04:38.820 it's something to think about. Of course, up here in Canada, there are important things happening.

00:04:44.340 And in a moment, we'll talk more with Drea Humphrey about what she's been reporting on from

00:04:49.420 British Columbia about the unmarked Graves controversy. But I can't get over what Mark

00:04:55.420 Carney is saying and doing. It's actually far worse than I thought it would be. He is doing

00:05:00.860 exactly what he said he would do when he was a trustee at the World Economic Forum.

00:05:08.320 The World Economic Forum, you might think, oh, it's capitalist, isn't it? I mean,

00:05:12.680 all the billionaires go there. It's George Soros' favorite place. It's Bill Gates' favorite place.

00:05:19.320 The world's largest companies are there, BlackRock, and their boss, Larry Fink, is a trustee.

00:05:25.380 So it would be easy to say those are all capitalists. That's right-wing, as capitalism

00:05:31.040 is typically called. But don't be fooled. I mean, you know in your bones that George Soros is not

00:05:36.860 right-wing. They believe in something there that they've invented a word. They do a lot of word

00:05:42.460 inventing there. They've invented the phrase stakeholder capitalism. Well, that sounds pretty

00:05:50.340 good. We're all stakeholders. Stakeholder capitalism is different from shareholder capitalism. What's the

00:05:58.900 difference between a shareholder and a stakeholder? A shareholder is someone who owns something, who bought

00:06:04.720 it and can sell it and can operate it because they own it. A stakeholder, well, that could be anybody,

00:06:11.760 right? Anybody who wants to do anything with someone else's stuff. So for example, the owners

00:06:19.200 of an oil company would be people who invest in it. So the company has money to operate and they would

00:06:26.080 vote on decisions for that company to make. As long as the company is following the laws of the land,

00:06:30.100 they can do whatever they like. Stakeholder capitalism says, no, because Greta Thunberg has

00:06:36.360 something to say. And what about global warming? And what about indigenous participation? And what

00:06:42.480 about LGBTQ2? Like that whole movement of ESG, which is corporate DEI. ESG stands for environmental,

00:06:51.880 social, and governance. DEI, as you know, is diversity, equity, inclusion. Those are things that

00:06:57.320 typically shareholders don't waste money on because not only are they costly payoffs to people who don't

00:07:04.400 actually produce value, they undermine, they get in the way. If you are running a high tech company,

00:07:09.540 you want the absolute best people to be your scientists. Even if that means, and in some cases

00:07:16.900 it does, it's going to be disproportionately Asian Americans. I'm sorry to mention the stereotype,

00:07:22.320 but statistically it's a fact. But if you say, no, we have to have a certain racial mix and a certain

00:07:29.000 gender mix, are you really going to have the absolute top scientist in America? And so you can

00:07:36.720 see the difference between a shareholder who would say, give me the best person for the job, whatever

00:07:41.580 the race or sex, and a stakeholder who says, no, no, I'm in the George Floyd DEI Institute. And I'm here

00:07:51.760 to say you need this percentage of LGBT people, this percentage of black people, this percentage

00:07:57.360 of, you know, of women and men, nothing to do with expertise. So that's WEF capitalism. It's

00:08:05.400 stakeholder capitalism, not shareholder capitalism. Do you understand the difference?

00:08:10.600 Now in the last year or so, I think the world economic forum has started to implode a bit.

00:08:15.900 Klaus Schwab, their founder and owner, has been hit with horrific accusations of abuse.

00:08:21.920 And really, he's announced he's stepping down. He's like the Harvey Weinstein of globalists.

00:08:27.800 Although it sort of surprised me to see Donald Trump said he's going to give a speech there this

00:08:32.000 year. By the way, we'll be there, of course. But in real life, I think every country and many

00:08:37.940 industries are abandoning this stakeholder capitalism, this socialism capitalism. I think

00:08:45.120 they want to get rich or try not to be poor. Or in the case of Europe, they want to pay for

00:08:50.400 a war, actually. Or they want to invest and get ahead in high tech. Even Mark Carney's own project,

00:08:58.040 which was called GFANS, Global Financial Alliance for Net Zero, it's disbanded. All the banks that

00:09:04.460 were part of Mark Carney's plan to decarbonize, they said, yeah, we're going to go and make some

00:09:10.000 money now in Donald Trump's America. Even Bill Gates says he's not so worried about global warming

00:09:17.060 anymore. What? That was his thing. He wants more power to run artificial intelligence. And he's

00:09:23.420 decided that, well, global warming will take care of itself. I want to get rich on AI.

00:09:28.460 Certainly climate change will make entire ecosystems die off. It'll make parts of the world,

00:09:39.680 you know, impossible to live in. And so the actual economic and death toll from climate change

00:09:47.580 will be much, much, much greater than what we have with this pandemic.

00:09:53.720 Yeah, I'm sure he does want to get rich. He's extremely greedy. He made his money really as

00:09:58.700 a monopolist with Microsoft, but never trust him. He still hates people at the end of the day.

00:10:04.320 If Bill Gates is involved with an AI project, I think it's because he actually does not like

00:10:09.720 humans. Remember this clip? Probably one of these numbers is going to have to get pretty near to zero.

00:10:15.320 That's back from high school algebra. But let's let's take a look. First, we've got population.

00:10:21.540 Now, the world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about 9 billion. Now,

00:10:27.500 if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services,

00:10:33.740 we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent. Yeah, he literally said he wants 20 percent fewer

00:10:39.980 humans. Anyway, so Mark Carney has fled the World Economic Forum as it started to implode,

00:10:48.440 has fled the global financial lines for net zero as it has folded. And he's managed to burrow his way

00:10:56.160 into Canada, which is very embarrassing for our country that we let that happen. But all the things

00:11:01.420 that he ever talked about at the World Economic Forum, he's doing. He's managing the economy.

00:11:08.400 He is the manager. He is centrally planning our economy as if he has some secret knowledge

00:11:15.460 that only he has about how Canada works, even though he's been away for 20 years.

00:11:20.860 Spoiler alert, no person has that much knowledge. There is no person, even the smartest person in

00:11:27.340 the world that knows how to run the economy. There was a beautiful essay about this by Frederick

00:11:33.380 Bastiat, who was an economist and philosopher who wrote this in 1850. So really early days of

00:11:40.640 or mid-industrial revolution. Industrial revolution was quite progressed, but it was before the age of

00:11:46.720 cars or airplanes. Bastiat in 1850 wrote about the enormous city of Paris. And he thought,

00:11:55.920 how is it possible that every restaurant, every shop, every bakery, every home has just the right

00:12:05.100 amount of bread with no one in control. There was no boss of it. There was no ministry of bread.

00:12:14.500 And he thought, in fact, if there were a ministry of bread, there would be starvation and chaos. And he

00:12:22.220 talked about spontaneous order of a million different people in Paris versus sort of organized chaos, because

00:12:30.860 so much of the capitalist system is little pieces of information that countless people have. Local

00:12:37.340 conditions, supply, demand, price, whatever. Every bakery knowing, well, I sold this many last night,

00:12:44.220 I'll sell this many this week. It's a Friday or it's a holiday, I'll sell this many. Every restaurateur

00:12:49.600 thinking, oh, this is exactly how much I sold you. There is countless little pieces of information

00:12:57.200 about local conditions, price, whatever. No one person could ever be smart enough to make sure

00:13:05.760 every single home and every single restaurant in Paris had the right amount of bread. But the

00:13:14.140 government, if they were to do it, it would be a failure. Now, Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong both tried.

00:13:22.040 Get back to that in a minute. I mean, that's what's going on here. Mark Carney made an announcement the

00:13:26.320 other day, like he is some high priest of industry about which corporate projects may proceed and

00:13:33.980 which may not. And he's not giving, he's not giving any explanations. He's not issuing an opinion.

00:13:39.620 It's just a mysterious, he's like an oracle. He's like a grand wizard. Take a look.

00:13:44.740 The major projects office is helping to build Canada smarter and quicker, fast tracking infrastructure

00:13:50.420 that we need to unlock our country's immense resources and potential. And in this way,

00:13:56.920 we'll build our communities, grow new businesses and create tens of thousands of new careers

00:14:01.640 in sustainable industries. Back in September, in Edmonton, we referred projects that represent

00:14:09.620 more than $60 billion in investment. And today, we're going to announce some projects that will double

00:14:16.100 that impact. The budget that I referenced a moment ago, the budget of last week, reinforces our mission

00:14:23.900 to build Canada strong. It's our plan so that Canadians take full control of our future. It's a plan to move

00:14:32.100 from over-reliance on one trading partner, the United States, to resilience, to global shocks. It's a plan to

00:14:39.960 replace uncertainty with prosperity.

00:14:41.760 By the way, all of these projects that he's talking about, they have been proposed for years.

00:14:48.900 Many of them have been languishing for nearly a decade under Trudeau's red tape. It's the liberals

00:14:56.020 who were almost at the point of killing these deals. And now, Carney said, oh, yeah, okay, you can go

00:15:01.200 now. Each of these companies by now, by the way, is ready to put their own money into making something.

00:15:06.360 I don't know, a mine, a project of some sort, their own money typically, which means they've spent years

00:15:12.680 thinking about it and planning it and investigating it and studying it and typically not asking the

00:15:17.960 taxpayer for help. So why wouldn't all of those projects be allowed to proceed? Why does it need

00:15:25.680 an additional layer of political approval? Why does it have to meet Mark Carney's taste?

00:15:31.120 Why do we need to appeal to the whims of the leader? That's North Korea stuff.

00:15:37.560 That would be like 10 different restaurants all saying, well, we think a lot of people want to go

00:15:42.160 out for restaurant, out to eat. We're going to open restaurants and I'm going to open a Chinese

00:15:47.220 restaurant, an Italian restaurant, and the chefs are ready to cook and investors are ready to rent the

00:15:51.520 place and hire staff. But some local boss says, no, no, no, I'm going to choose which ones open and which

00:15:59.920 ones can't. What? They're all ready to do it. They're not asking for your money. They're all

00:16:04.880 obeying the law. It's really none of your business. You can eat at whichever restaurant you like.

00:16:10.060 Who are you to say which ones can or can't work? Why not let the people, why not let the market?

00:16:15.880 On what basis? Is it based on who lobbies Mark Carney? Who is cool and uses the right buzzwords? Is it based

00:16:26.140 on who donated to his campaign? Is it who talks about global warming still? I mean, his own close

00:16:33.080 friends at GFans, Global Financial Alliance for Net Zero, they've abandoned his schemes, but he's just

00:16:38.560 foisting it on us. I mean, just a few weeks ago, he let the mask slip. I think it was so childish,

00:16:44.740 so gross. He was asked about oil pipelines, which are more valuable than all the other projects put

00:16:50.760 together, by the way. Not only are the construction costs of pipelines enormous, and again, this would

00:16:56.560 all be paid for by private companies. Northern Gateway, Keystone XL, these are private companies

00:17:02.780 that said, we will put the money in. You don't have to put the money in. By the way, not only is the

00:17:08.700 construction multi-billion dollars, but the oil that flows through them is Canada's most valuable

00:17:14.740 export. I don't know if you know that, but oil and gas exports to America are triple what the auto

00:17:21.320 industry is. So, for example, a pipeline like the Keystone XL pipeline, which is partially built,

00:17:27.160 but not built, it would have 800,000 barrels of oil a day. Now, the world price of oil is about

00:17:35.380 60 US dollars per barrel, or about 85 Canadian. And by the way, Canadian oil is actually sold at a

00:17:41.540 discount to world prices because of a lack of pipelines. So, in a single year, if Keystone XL

00:17:47.340 were built, that would move 25 billion dollars worth of oil, just that one pipeline, every year

00:17:57.040 for a century. But here's what Mark Carney said a few weeks ago when asked about oil pipelines.

00:18:04.000 Is this pipeline going to come? So boring. It's not actually. It is. It is. No, but it is. It is

00:18:11.000 because it's, look, it's, don't worry, we're on it. We're on it. Like, we're on it. But there is this

00:18:15.580 whole world. Okay, hands up. Who's working on the pipeline in this room? Okay. Isn't that a problem?

00:18:22.860 No, no, no, no. Look at all the variety. Like, Nav, like, does your, like, it's, we have.

00:18:33.080 Yeah, if there's more prosperity, they'll get more cell phone, cell phone services.

00:18:37.500 But look, look, okay. So, what's going to drive, one of the things with, yeah, don't worry. We're on

00:18:42.760 the, we're on the pipeline stuff. Danielle's on line one. Don't worry. It's going to happen. But,

00:18:47.600 well, something's going to happen. Let's put it that way.

00:18:49.920 It's not very good negotiating by my perspective. But what some in the room will unlock on the

00:18:58.800 data center side, the intelligence infrastructure side, will have a much bigger impact on productivity

00:19:05.160 in this country. We'll have a much bigger impact on our standard of living. And advantaging that,

00:19:11.740 which is what we're doing with the productivity super deduction, like, it's an easy conversation

00:19:15.960 to have about a pipeline because it's one thing we can see. But the reality is that there's much,

00:19:23.760 much more to the Canadian economy. And there's much, much more to the future of the Canadian

00:19:26.840 economy. And so we're attacking it on all sides.

00:19:29.340 So boring, boring. What are you, like a teenage child? You want to play video games? Sorry to

00:19:36.960 bore you. Sorry we all can't be as riveting and scintillating and dynamic and so damn interesting

00:19:43.900 as you are, Mark Carney. You're so magnetic. As if boring or not boring is anything other than

00:19:49.500 his own snobbery. Sorry the boring jobs are what builds this world. And in Canada, that's oil and gas,

00:19:56.160 which is more than double oil at auto exports. And Carney seems resigned to losing our auto

00:20:02.180 industry. Hey, why don't you actually build something that the world wants and Trump can't

00:20:07.120 move? Trump can't move the oil patch to America. He can move the car companies there. It looks like

00:20:12.940 he's doing it. Trump will have to buy our oil from us. He can't say, I demand that the oil sands move.

00:20:19.460 Sorry to bore you with the oil industry. Sorry. It's just, I can't, what a childish reaction.

00:20:25.000 So Carney announced his favorite companies and no oil companies were amongst them.

00:20:29.600 Now, Canada, let me start with our position as an energy superpower. We're starting to realize

00:20:35.100 our full potential in both conventional, i.e. oil and gas, and clean energy. LNG is an essential

00:20:43.340 fuel for the energy transition. LNG can help Canada build new trading relationships, especially

00:20:49.520 in fast-growing markets in Asia. By 2040, it's estimated that global LNG demand will rise

00:20:56.220 by 60 percent. And Canada will be ready. We're home to the world's fourth largest reserves of

00:21:04.220 natural gas. And we have the potential to supply up to 100 million tons annually of new LNG exports

00:21:11.920 to Asia. But that will require major investment across a wide range of infrastructure. And to

00:21:20.920 encourage that investment, the budget provides new tax incentives to encourage the world's

00:21:27.860 lowest carbon, I'll repeat, the world's lowest carbon LNG facilities. And the budget also expands

00:21:34.720 the Canadian Infrastructure Bank's ability to support projects like Cylism's LNG.

00:21:41.720 Cylism comprises a new gas pipeline, a new electricity transmission line, and a new floating LNG export

00:21:49.960 facility. Led by the Nisqa Nation under President Ava Clayton, Cylism's will become Canada's second-largest

00:21:59.720 LNG facility with the capacity to export 12 million tons of LNG every year to new markets.

00:22:06.720 It will also be one of the world's cleanest LNG operations, with emissions an incredible 94 percent

00:22:13.720 below the global average, with the potential to reach net zero by the end of this decade. All while creating

00:22:20.720 thousands of skilled careers and four billion dollars contributions annually to our GDP.

00:22:29.720 The Federal Government has been working closely with the Province of British Columbia in the

00:22:33.720 development of this project, most notably through a one-project, one-review environmental

00:22:39.720 assessment process and associated consultations led by the Province. In addition to consulting on the

00:22:47.720 financing of Cylism, the Major Project Office will also help coordinate timely approvals of all three

00:22:55.720 elements of the project and the related transmission infrastructure that I'll discuss in a moment.

00:23:02.720 Now, more broadly, taking a step back from LNG, core to becoming an energy superpower will be to fully

00:23:13.720 capitalize on Canada's advantage in clean energy by substantially expanding our clean

00:23:20.720 electricity grid, over 80 percent of the electric power we produce in the country.

00:23:25.720 It's higher, obviously, in British Columbia, but in the country as a whole is clean.

00:23:30.720 The point is clean electrification is the path. It's the only path to building a sustainable, prosperous economy.

00:23:39.720 Now, a liquefied natural gas plant was approved, but it still doesn't have a pipeline to supply it,

00:23:49.720 so I'm not sure what's going to happen there. But there's a left-wing activist in British Columbia named

00:23:53.720 Kyna Gatta who asked a question that I thought was sort of interesting. Here's Kyna Gatta talking to Mark Carney.

00:23:59.720 Kyna Gatta from Dogwood News following up on this question. So, as it stands, Western LNG is the owner of the Cylism's Terminal,

00:24:07.720 of the Cylism's Terminal, and it would be built in Korea with Korean and Chinese steel. So how much taxpayer money

00:24:15.720 are we prepared to invest in a project that is American-owned and foreign-built?

00:24:19.720 There are different aspects of the project, as I said. There is the PRGT pipeline, which is necessary,

00:24:29.720 which is Canadian-owned First Nation. Sorry, can I finish? There is the associated transmission line that comes here.

00:24:39.720 There are structures that come with projects that ensure that there is returns to taxpayers through the tax system as well.

00:24:48.720 And the structure of the financing is a decision that we take with the full information, the full information of the project,

00:24:56.720 the project design. So that's part of, you don't answer, we answer that question with full information by doing the work,

00:25:05.720 and that's what the referral to the major project office facilitates.

00:25:10.720 Korea, China, that's sort of interesting. I know that Mark Carney has been saying,

00:25:15.720 well, we're going to emphasize Canadian first and Canadian steel and stuff, and it doesn't sound that way.

00:25:20.720 I wonder if Brookfield Asset Management is getting anything out of this, but I don't really care about China, Korea stuff.

00:25:27.720 If it's not my money investing in the thing, I just want the things built, because I know, for one thing, the gas is Canadian.

00:25:34.720 The gas will be produced in Canada. I just want the thing built, and for the government to step out of the way,

00:25:41.720 not to pretend he's some miraculous oracle who can see into the future. I mean, Justin Trudeau foolishly said,

00:25:49.720 there's no business case to sell oil and gas to the world. And then Qatar goes and signs a multi-billion dollar deal with Europe.

00:25:55.720 I mean, it's like when Justin Trudeau and Doug Ford spent tens of billions of dollars on electric car batteries.

00:26:04.720 That's the future. And those companies are now leaving us.

00:26:08.720 I saw a tweet by CP24, which is owned by CTV.

00:26:12.720 The regime media is trying to spin this as oil and gas industry approves.

00:26:17.720 Yeah, I read the story. No actual oil producers were actually quoted in it.

00:26:22.720 Now, some lobbyists from the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers was quoted, and he's obviously trying hard to maintain his relationship with the Carney liberals,

00:26:31.720 rather than promoting the interests of his own industry. But no oil producer praised this because no oil production will be allowed.

00:26:38.720 No pipeline, no tankers. You know, Mao Zedong, I mentioned this earlier, Stalin and Mao.

00:26:45.720 They tried to centrally command the economy in a manner similar to what Mark Carney is doing.

00:26:50.720 Mao is crazy. He, one of the things he did during, you know, various eras of uprisings and revolutions and internal revolutions,

00:27:00.720 is he mandated that farmers, instead of farming for food in the world's hungriest country, that they start to make steel in their backyard.

00:27:15.720 Do you think it's possible to make steel in your backyard?

00:27:18.720 Well, Mao did. And it caused a famine. It was an economic disaster.

00:27:25.720 And then Mao came and thought, oh, well, one of the problems why there's so few crops is because there are sparrows eating our food.

00:27:34.720 So he called upon the Chinese people to kill every sparrow they saw.

00:27:41.720 And they did. And tens of millions of sparrows were killed.

00:27:46.720 So it's true the sparrows didn't eat the crops anymore.

00:27:49.720 But now locusts had no natural predators left, did they?

00:27:54.720 And so nature was out of balance and the locusts completely wiped out the crops.

00:28:00.720 This is what Frederick Bastiat was warning about, about a bread ministry that's so smart but knows nothing.

00:28:11.720 He's warning about the experts.

00:28:13.720 Frederick Bastiat's conversation about spontaneous order versus planned chaos, centrally planned chaos,

00:28:21.720 is actually a shot at experts who know-nothings, who read a book about,

00:28:27.720 well, I've read a book about baking, and I think it should be done.

00:28:30.720 I've read a book about how to make steel in our backyard.

00:28:33.720 Well, I've read a book about how to choose industries.

00:28:36.720 You're not an expert. Remember Mark Carney?

00:28:39.720 He was not the CEO of Brookfield. He wasn't the hands-on president.

00:28:44.720 He was the chairman who was busy with other projects at the United Nations, the World Economic Forum.

00:28:50.720 He didn't get into the details of the companies they bought.

00:28:53.720 He was sort of the big relationships guy, the big speeches guy, the conference goer.

00:28:58.720 He was not the CEO. He chaired their board meetings.

00:29:02.720 But even Brookfield itself isn't a company that builds things.

00:29:08.720 They buy assets and manage them or flip them or chop them up and resell them.

00:29:12.720 They don't actually run businesses. They're an asset manager.

00:29:16.720 It's called Brookfield Asset Management.

00:29:18.720 They're not operators of companies.

00:29:21.720 Mark Carney is not an entrepreneur. He's not a builder.

00:29:24.720 He's never run a company.

00:29:26.720 Not at Brookfield, not at the World Economic Forum, not at the United Nations,

00:29:29.720 not at the central banks, and not at Goldman Sachs.

00:29:33.720 His whole life he's been a Marxist expert who's obsessed with control and authority.

00:29:39.720 He's the kind of person who would say, yeah, we should have a ministry of bread.

00:29:43.720 Or yeah, we should kill every sparrow. That'll save the crops.

00:29:47.720 You know, he's going to plunge us into recession, although I think we're already there.

00:29:52.720 And you know, despite his grudging approval of a handful of projects,

00:29:57.720 the very idea that you have to impress dear leader

00:30:01.720 before you're allowed to spend your own money investing in Canada,

00:30:05.720 that's going to scare away a trillion dollars from Canada into Donald Trump's America.

00:30:13.720 Just you wait and see.

00:30:15.720 Stay with us for more.

00:30:17.720 Hey, welcome back. While I was on my quick journey down to James O'Keefe's event,

00:30:30.720 I saw what Drea Humphrey was going through.

00:30:32.720 And by the way, we had two security guards there for her.

00:30:34.720 So I was alarmed, but I'm glad that we were prepared for the kind of pushing and shoving that was there.

00:30:40.720 This is her at Thompson Rivers University, where Francis Whittleson and others were there to talk about the unmarked graves question.

00:30:49.720 And it's a question. It hasn't been answered yet.

00:30:51.720 People say in places like Kamloops, there are 200 unmarked graves.

00:30:55.720 Well, millions of dollars has been given to the band to carefully and ethically check, dig, investigate.

00:31:02.720 Are those actually graves? Hasn't happened yet, because I think people don't want the truth to come out.

00:31:08.720 They prefer the narrative that the white man killed Aboriginal people in a kind of genocide.

00:31:15.720 They're trying to slander Canada's past. I want to know the truth.

00:31:19.720 I know one thing. We don't know the truth now.

00:31:21.720 But there's a lot of people trying to stop us from getting the truth.

00:31:24.720 Drea Humphrey did a documentary on this story a couple of years ago.

00:31:27.720 Here, watch her in action. Take a look.

00:31:30.720 Four years ago, on May 27th, 2021, the world looked at Canada in a different way after the Kamloops ban put out the false claim that they had discovered the remains of 215 children at the former Kamloops Indian Residential School.

00:31:49.720 Now, many of you watching us know that that's not true, and neither are all of the other claims where bands have said similar things about discoveries that never were.

00:31:58.720 And today, right behind me, is a scene you don't see very often taking place in Kamloops Thompson River University.

00:32:07.720 Today, Dr. Frances Widowson, who is behind the documentary What Remains, has showed here to shed light on those false claims and to challenge university students to actually think and not be offended of the truth.

00:32:24.720 I'm Drea Humphrey with Rebel News, who traveled here to cover what happened here today for you.

00:32:30.720 And I had to do so safely in case you missed it.

00:32:33.720 Recently, Dr. Frances Widowson did something very similar in Winnipeg at a university and was treated like this.

00:32:41.720 oh

00:32:47.720 n

00:32:48.720 n

00:32:50.720 n

00:32:53.720 n

00:32:54.720 n

00:32:59.720 n

00:33:01.720 n

00:33:04.720 n

00:33:05.720 n

00:33:06.720 n

00:33:07.720 Your followers are hurting these people, they're attacking people.

00:33:19.720 You need to leave.

00:33:20.720 Walk her off the ground, walk her off the ground.

00:33:25.720 Walk her off the ground.

00:33:28.720 So to be your eyes and ears here during this important discussion about Canadian history,

00:33:50.260 especially in a time where reconciliation overreach has turned into excusing Aboriginal title in Richmond, B.C.,

00:33:59.380 I have security guards with me to keep me safe.

00:34:02.980 If you want to chip in to help cover those expenses, you can do so by donating what you can at our special website called KamloopsDocumentary.com.

00:34:12.700 I should also let you know that accompanied with Dr. Widdowson is one B.C. leader Dallas Brody, as well as her house leader, Tara Armstrong.

00:34:24.640 They have been strong advocates for the truth on this issue, even coming up with their own documentary,

00:34:30.180 which will be released in just a couple of weeks called Making a Killing.

00:34:35.120 We will be covering that release as well.

00:34:37.460 They're here, as is one of their recent announced candidates, who is a former teacher in Abbotsford.

00:34:45.240 His name is Jim McMurtry.

00:34:46.920 Here's how some of the discussion went.

00:34:50.400 There's a billion kids buried in the Aboriginal and Kamloops.

00:34:54.100 Can you f***ing believe that?

00:34:55.860 Get the f*** off our campus.

00:34:57.360 You don't want to do this unless you ask yourself for evidence.

00:35:02.680 Go home!

00:35:03.680 Go home!

00:35:04.680 Go home!

00:35:05.680 Go home!

00:35:06.680 Go home!

00:35:07.680 Go home!

00:35:08.680 Go home!

00:35:09.680 Go home!

00:35:10.680 Go home!

00:35:11.680 Go home!

00:35:12.680 Don't run away!

00:35:13.680 We're coming here and saying this.

00:35:15.680 What is the difference?

00:35:16.680 You lost your job.

00:35:17.680 You said this.

00:35:18.680 I lost my job for saying the truth.

00:35:20.680 The kids died from disease.

00:35:21.680 You told them what your...

00:35:23.680 That was an opinion!

00:35:24.680 It wasn't an opinion!

00:35:25.680 No, no, it was what my...

00:35:27.680 You got fired because the parents probably thought that their kids probably shouldn't be like them.

00:35:31.680 It wasn't the parents who fired.

00:35:33.680 Okay, the teachers or the principal, the high board office, whatever.

00:35:36.680 They fired you.

00:35:37.680 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:38.680 The truth is that people are not looking at the evidence very much with respect to this claim.

00:35:44.680 And what you did, what you did, I'll just...

00:35:47.680 In terms of my understanding of what you are doing, is you're deflecting the conversation into other kind of issues.

00:35:54.680 I am.

00:35:55.680 Because there's an underlying issue to this.

00:35:58.680 It's not just about the 215 children.

00:36:01.680 Residential school has affected thousands of Indigenous people.

00:36:04.680 And coming at it and trying to act like we're lying over the abuse...

00:36:09.680 I'm not like you're lying at all.

00:36:10.680 Thompson Rivers University sent me a trespass notice on October 15th of this year after Simon, Cathy Drake and myself did a Spectrum Street Epistemology session on the remains of 215 children, that claim.

00:36:26.680 And it was a wonderful event.

00:36:29.680 Jenna, who participated, Hal, who participated, we all agreed at the end that excavations were needed at the Kamloops Union Residential School to figure out the truth with respect to the matter.

00:36:39.680 And because Thompson Rivers University sent me that trespass notice and said that only authorized discussions can take place, I said, I've got to come back to this university.

00:36:51.680 Is that true?

00:36:56.680 Your hate isn't welcome.

00:36:58.680 The Kamloops Band received $12.1 million, earmarked to be digging.

00:37:03.680 It's the Kamloops Band, but okay.

00:37:04.680 Well, okay.

00:37:05.680 I grew up in a different era.

00:37:07.680 I know.

00:37:08.680 At least if we're going to talk about these communities, let's talk about them and use their correctness.

00:37:11.680 Well, they still call it the Kamloops Indian Residential School on their materials.

00:37:16.680 So the Kamloops Band received $12.1 million from the federal government to dig, and they didn't use it for that.

00:37:24.680 And the money's gone.

00:37:25.680 That's your taxpayer dollars.

00:37:26.680 That's not okay.

00:37:27.680 The whole lie of the 215 bodies needs to be exposed for what it is, because Canada has suffered under this accusation for too long.

00:37:35.680 And also to just spark some conversation, which is happening.

00:37:39.680 We stand for truth!

00:37:46.680 What's the truth?

00:37:47.680 The truth is that this is Nazism.

00:37:50.680 This is white nationalism.

00:37:52.680 There's no room for hatred on this campus.

00:37:54.680 They need to get off this land.

00:37:56.680 Residential school survivors, they lived through it.

00:37:59.680 They lived through trauma.

00:38:00.680 They're standing here today because of their resilience, and all of this is disrespecting everything that they experienced.

00:38:06.680 What did he say that was hateful?

00:38:09.680 He is against anti-racism.

00:38:12.680 He is against transgender rights.

00:38:14.680 He's against Indigenous sovereignty, safety.

00:38:18.680 We're not standing for this.

00:38:19.680 Did he say something like that here?

00:38:21.680 Oh, I know all about it.

00:38:22.680 Just look it up online.

00:38:23.680 What do you make of their claim that there are not 215 bodies at least proven to be discovered at the Kamloops Indian Residential School?

00:38:32.680 I think it's disgusting that they keep asking to see a body.

00:38:35.680 That's f***ing enough.

00:38:36.680 Do you have evidence of that?

00:38:37.680 People do not need to be f***ing murdered.

00:38:38.680 Do you have evidence of that?

00:38:39.680 Do you have to tell their culture?

00:38:40.680 Do you have evidence of that?

00:38:41.680 Yes.

00:38:42.680 We do have evidence of that.

00:38:43.680 Talk to any f***ing person here.

00:38:45.680 Go to the residential school.

00:38:46.680 Why are you swearing at me?

00:38:47.680 Why?

00:38:48.680 Because you're being a f***ing asshole.

00:38:49.680 You don't belong here, and you need to get the f*** out of here.

00:38:52.680 You have your own personal agenda.

00:38:54.680 This is a public institution.

00:38:56.680 This is a public institution.

00:38:57.680 It is a public institution.

00:38:58.680 This is a public institution.

00:38:59.680 And guess what?

00:39:00.680 You're f***ing losing the battle.

00:39:02.680 Leave.

00:39:03.680 You have no business being here.

00:39:05.680 It's a public institution.

00:39:06.680 This is a university.

00:39:07.680 This is a place of higher learning, where people care about one another.

00:39:11.680 Okay?

00:39:12.680 Now what about you?

00:39:15.680 This.

00:39:16.680 Show something.

00:39:17.680 Show something.

00:39:18.680 Show something.

00:39:19.680 Show something.

00:39:20.680 I'm seven years old.

00:39:21.680 I'm like, how long?

00:39:22.680 All we're trying to do is get to the coast...

00:39:28.680 You don't know what they're talking about.

00:39:30.680 You don't know what you're talking about!

00:39:31.680 And you're doing it.

00:39:32.680 No, you're not!

00:39:33.680 Hey, hey.

00:39:34.680 I'm pushing people for this.

00:39:36.680 Yes, I'll get you a sign.

00:39:37.680 Thank you for that.

00:39:39.680 You said that your mom worked at the school, so you know about the trauma,

00:39:41.680 the trauma and things like that i have indigenous students right so the band itself though is saying

00:39:48.000 something different they're saying 200 probable anomalies anomalies yeah yeah they're no longer

00:39:53.040 saying bodies do you think that's important our boulders well they don't know what they are they're

00:39:58.960 they're no longer should it be dug up they took 12 million dollars to dig them up well then that's

00:40:04.720 with the band that's not here with us at tru so right i just want you right now the next time

00:40:10.000 somebody says he was a child murdered resident school in canada ask for evidence you can't do

00:40:19.920 that i said my father was a judge he can't convict somebody send someone away right you can't do that

00:40:28.560 in canada so i guess my question is to you for caring about trauma and i do too do you think it's bad news

00:40:35.120 or good news that there might not be 215 murdered children of course it would be good news if it

00:40:40.160 wasn't if there weren't but we can't sit here and just make these kind of bull claims they're not

00:40:46.480 being taught these things it's not even allowed to be introduced in their classrooms and they have

00:40:50.960 been taught over and over again about this is a form of indoctrination and it's gone too far and

00:40:56.960 there it's really hard to when you've been told something over and over again to have someone hit

00:41:01.200 you with something true it's it's almost frightening the narrative by mainstream media has been that

00:41:06.960 these graves have been uncovered and you and i both know that that's not the case so i think that's why

00:41:12.640 these events and coming here and speaking to these people uh is even more important because we're able

00:41:18.640 to actually share with them these facts dra so the question is are there 215 children who are buried

00:41:25.360 clandestinely yeah at the canler senior residential school and what do you think the solution is to dig

00:41:30.800 up the dead bodies yes yes um do you not think these children have suffered enough but you're

00:41:36.240 assuming there's children there we have nothing but good in this country and you're ruining it

00:41:41.440 so you keep saying i'm assuming these bodies have been found but you're assuming that the bands are

00:42:06.720 misusing this money they're not actually bodies so we're all assuming things are right we also know

00:42:12.560 that there's money that was earmarked for this that was never used for this so let's get to the

00:42:17.200 bottom of it then and let's use that money that was already provided okay if you want to investigate

00:42:21.360 what is happening with the money okay but i don't understand why you have to do it in this format

00:42:27.280 you are upsetting people even if i was wrong i shouldn't have been fired but in this case i was right

00:42:33.040 there's no evidence so you're saying 215 and you know that no one's going to ever dig there never

00:42:38.960 do you think do you think it's not your land to go and dig up doesn't matter you can't say

00:42:43.920 people murdered children hi i saw your sign who's the fascist none of us are interested

00:42:50.720 you speak for her please leave none of us okay so you're not interested but i'll still do my job

00:42:55.760 who's the fascist here i'm just curious you don't know no no nothing to say

00:43:06.160 sometimes i wonder if people know what the word fascism means i mean because when you want to shut

00:43:12.160 out people from speaking that sounds pretty fascist to me the issue is are the 215 bodies there because

00:43:18.960 the issue is bigger than this and the fact that you cannot see that i think is the problem here

00:43:25.440 and that's my problem with this is the traditional sentence do you know how it works are you seriously

00:43:30.560 asking me that yeah i'm asking do you know how it works do you know what it is i'm not having this

00:43:34.320 conversation three things can't be hidden for long the sun the moon and the truth and that's what we're

00:43:40.480 fighting for is the truth you are not using the traditional sundance dance yeah do you know what it

00:43:45.840 is do you think we are closer to reconciliation or further from it since those claims were made

00:43:52.080 i like to think that we are closer to reconciliation but when this kind of stuff goes on i feel that it

00:43:58.320 takes us two steps backwards all those kids who never came home have to be somewhere you can simply

00:44:03.200 look yourself at how many kids were reported missing it's nowhere near 215 and the records of how they

00:44:08.800 went missing are there there were some kids that drowned like nobody's even doing the research you guys

00:44:13.280 are all just looking at headlines sorry hi i just wanted to ask what publication you were for

00:44:17.280 rebel news

00:44:18.240 oh this works for rebel news

00:44:30.160 am i dehumanized all of a sudden no no no i'm sorry you could have told me you're from rebel news i

00:44:35.680 wouldn't have spoken he asked what are your interests in truth and reconciliation the truth

00:44:39.920 what no no what kinds of things do you do to decolonize and to promote decolonization i

00:44:44.800 report on government overreach and bad governments are not exempt so if you take if you take millions

00:44:50.320 of tax dollars to do something and you don't i report on it so what about the the unceded land that

00:44:57.440 we're on right now and that the indigenous people in this area haven't been compensated for well we can

00:45:03.520 talk about that too but that's not what we're talking about we're talking about the false claim that

00:45:06.720 was made in 2021 that the remains of 250 children true it's not the band itself admits that's no

00:45:13.600 longer as you just mentioned like the band is not exempt from what you're absolutely reporting on so

00:45:19.280 why did you just tell me that claim wasn't false what's what grounds do you have the band doesn't

00:45:23.440 represent all the indigenous people in the nation so and the banding council system is a colonial

00:45:28.080 implementation well no you know what who i trust historians and so when i

00:45:31.680 made my car can i respond to that so when i respond to some so my my my can you just listen

00:45:38.640 for a second no you gotta let other people talk you're walking around you're just yelling at your

00:45:43.520 random you don't you don't have any you don't have the knowledge no you don't have the knowledge

00:45:48.480 university is supposed to be a marketplace of ideas right where you get a lot of different views

00:45:52.880 being expressed and that's not happening anymore drea at our at our schools um and we believe that

00:45:58.560 if you're not going to allow freedom of speech marketplace of ideas these universities this

00:46:02.560 public funding has to stop they are being subjected to propaganda from the various aboriginal activists

00:46:08.720 who have taken control over this university sorry the aboriginal industry associates as well

00:46:14.240 they have law professors here who are engaged in land claims negotiations and the all these kinds of

00:46:21.600 false claims are very very important in terms of pushing through various uh aspects of the

00:46:28.560 aboriginal industry and so students are not being encouraged to think critically no i'm not doing an

00:46:34.720 interview for rebel news okay i think where's your consent form there's no such thing in canada

00:46:41.920 it's a free country we're in a public place that's why this is all happening you know what when i went to

00:46:47.360 university too long to mention on camera ago it was great to have conversations like it you guys seem

00:46:52.800 like genuinely scared and angry about it why is that because it is scary and we are angry why is it scary

00:46:59.520 to talk to someone you might disagree with because no no it's not that we are scared to talk to people

00:47:04.720 that we disagree with because we talk to people that we disagree with all the time in a proper medium you

00:47:10.080 all know there are no bodies in kamloops you know that there's all this exercise at this university

00:47:18.160 about how terrible canada was is all wrong

00:47:30.160 did you know that there's at least four other bands that have excavated they thought there were

00:47:34.480 on mark graves and when they dug they found nothing i don't think that's relevant to the fact that there

00:47:38.960 was bodies found in kamloops did you know they never dug and that it's impossible to make the

00:47:43.440 claim with ground penetrating radar i think it sounds like your questions are starting to side with one

00:47:48.560 of these opinions actually i'm actually quoting them when i say they no longer call it bodies at the

00:47:52.880 band they call them anomalies okay my apologies well and when it comes down to it i'm a white person with

00:48:01.200 a lot of white privilege it's not my part um to say what happened in residential schools in the sense

00:48:06.400 of that's not my experience but i will listen and stand with indigenous voices how many um

00:48:12.560 to kamloops residential school survivors have you interviewed um i haven't interviewed i tried to

00:48:18.560 interview many but none would uh none would you haven't actually spoken to the actual people that

00:48:23.360 were there i've listened to their testimonies a lot of this this history isn't written down it's a lot

00:48:27.120 of oral history and a lot of that oral history documents verbally how many children were killed or died

00:48:34.560 on these residential schools all across canada i have interviewed some that attended there do you

00:48:39.760 have a question for me given that i have but i also think the truth should come out about what's

00:48:43.600 there i don't have any questions okay i'll just tell you one thing when i did interview them none of

00:48:47.920 them although they had gone there between 11 and 14 years had ever heard that there were unmarked grades

00:48:52.800 until 2021 of may does that seem weird that they went there for so many years they met their spouses

00:49:00.720 there i'm not sure who you interviewed i can't speak on that sorry well you asked about residential

00:49:04.320 school survivors i did and i asked her how many people she interviewed well i'm a journalist she's

00:49:07.840 a professor so i interview people and i have interviewed people i even interviewed the chief too

00:49:13.040 and did you know the chief no longer says that there are 215 remains there

00:49:16.800 they never said any actually there's the media that says that no they're there it's sir did you

00:49:23.200 want me to show you their claim on may 27th of 2021 they said the kids were as young as three years

00:49:28.880 old detected by ground penetrating radar so you're defending a claim that they no longer make why i'm

00:49:35.120 not defending any claim okay well i spoke to people who attended there for many years i don't know who

00:49:40.240 you spoke to so i'm sorry i'm not then why did you ask the question i didn't ask it of you i

00:49:44.400 asked it of her okay but i'm a journalist i asked questions she's a residential schools took almost

00:49:51.120 i think almost 100 indigenous kids so that's why we're saying it about that okay the parents wanted

00:49:57.760 them there because they wanted their kid to have an education they wanted their kids there to have an

00:50:02.080 education some some were taking very few cases of that and again i'm i'm saying that happen right

00:50:09.760 with their orphans or they were being abused at home or they didn't know the necessities of life

00:50:13.360 if they were to use the 12 million dollars they were given to dig like they were supposed to and

00:50:17.760 they found there were no bodies do you think white canadians deserve to know that and do you think

00:50:21.760 that's good news yeah right i'm going to be honest i don't think that i can comprehend that question

00:50:28.960 right now because i have so many feelings about what's happening i'm really angry and i don't think

00:50:33.040 i can answer it with a clear head right now sure the rc and p has come out saying they've done an

00:50:37.120 eight-year-long investigation that found no evidence of mass murder or anything like that

00:50:42.880 if it's true that there are not 215 bodies consistent with the other bands that have dug

00:50:48.880 what does that mean for the claims that residential schools were genocide

00:50:55.280 i think i'm going to stop answering these questions i appreciate talking with you thank

00:50:58.720 you so much yeah i think you saw and got a taste for what was happening here let me know in the comments

00:51:04.480 i will take a look through i am very interested to see what you thought about what took place here

00:51:10.160 today draa humphrey with rebel news at rebel news we aren't afraid to bring you the other side of the

00:51:17.440 story no matter what name somebody hurls at us for doing so if you appreciate our boots on the ground

00:51:23.600 reporting that doesn't take a penny from the government like 95 of the media consider chipping in

00:51:29.680 to help my expenses today to have security to keep me safe by donating what you can at cam loops

00:51:35.920 documentary dot com we appreciate your support

00:51:44.000 draa is very brave i think she's doing a great job in british columbia she really owned that story at

00:51:50.160 the ostrich farm i was delighted to visit there a couple times and and she had built so much trust

00:51:55.520 with the family and was so deeply engrossed in the details there and this is another one of the

00:52:00.720 files she's doing a great job of it's tricky out there because listen we want to be friends to all

00:52:05.520 all people in british columbia we want to respect indigenous people of course we do but we also

00:52:10.720 have to follow the truth we have a saying here follow the facts wherever they lead and that's what

00:52:15.760 dra is doing and i think she's doing a great job of it well that's our show for the day until monday

00:52:21.040 on behalf of all of us here at rebel world headquarters to you at home good night and keep

00:52:25.600 fighting for freedom

Rebel News Podcast - November 15, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ EZRA LEVANT： Carney's WEF-style socialism will fail

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