Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Ezra Levant on the pro-freedom coverage of Rebel News

00:00:00.000 Oh, I'm excited. Our friend Sheila Gunn-Reed is in town for our Christmas party. I took the

00:00:04.060 opportunity to sit down, to go over the year in review, and to look ahead at 2024. A great

00:00:09.440 conversation with a great journalist. That's ahead, but first let me invite you to become

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00:00:36.740 You're listening to a release podcast.

00:00:51.000 You're fighting for freedom. Shame on you, you sensorism bug.

00:00:57.340 I don't know if you ever heard that wonderful saying, the sun never sets on the British 0.99

00:01:09.080 Empire, and there was a point in time when that was true. Think about it. Australia, Canada, 0.83

00:01:14.540 India, much of Africa, and the United Kingdom itself. So no matter what time zone you were

00:01:19.980 in, it was always sunny. Well, we're not quite as big as that, but it is true that the sun

00:01:24.820 never sets on Rebel News Empire. We have people in Australia. We have people all across the time

00:01:29.580 zones in Canada, and although we don't have a full-timer in the United Kingdom anymore,

00:01:33.420 we do like to cover the news there. So to get together in person is a rare event. We have

00:01:39.120 daily meetings by Zoom, but that's not the same. Well, today is our Christmas party, so we brought

00:01:45.300 at least the Canadians together to have a little Christmas celebration in our Toronto World

00:01:51.420 headquarters, and we'll be joined by Zoom within our Australian delegation because we're going to

00:01:56.300 announce the results of the Viewers' Choice Awards for the Rebbies. That's what we call our

00:02:01.380 prize for the best Rebel reporter. But while our team is here in town, what better opportunity than

00:02:07.580 to stop and have a catch-up with our Chief Reporter and Alberta Bureau Chief, Sheila Gunn-Reed,

00:02:12.920 who joins me now. Great to see you.

00:02:14.100 It's great to be in the office. I'm not here as much as I would like to be, but things are

00:02:19.540 changing in here. I don't think we had this set up, this part set up last time.

00:02:23.080 Yeah. You know, we haven't fully deployed the whole new studio, but it is more a real-life

00:02:28.500 studio than a green-screen studio. There's these fancy chairs. I interviewed Conrad Black in there

00:02:33.140 the other day, and I think we have some other plans. We're not rushing to get it done, but I think

00:02:37.380 it is a fun thing to have a real-life studio. So thank you for being here. Now, Rebel News,

00:02:42.880 I think, has shifted. During the lockdown and the pandemic, that was our overarching mission. It was,

00:02:49.000 I think, 80% of what we did. Of course, we covered other things too, but every aspect of the lockdown

00:02:54.460 from the quarantine for the country, for the curfew in Quebec, for the shutdown of the business laws,

00:03:03.980 for the forced vaccine. Like, there was 20 different aspects that we covered, and we covered it like

00:03:09.440 crazy. We're still working on some of those files. Tamera Leach is still on trial. Arthur Pavlovsky

00:03:17.000 still has an appeal emanating from this. So we're doing that, but Rebel News has moved on to the

00:03:23.200 frontline battles of today. What are some of the frontline battles that you see as our chief reporter?

00:03:28.180 You know, I think a lot of what we're working on now are the things that still flow from the

00:03:34.920 lockdowns in that the government is attacking the truth-tellers that told the truth about the

00:03:42.420 lockdowns and the effects of the lockdowns and the effects of COVID vaccines. We're seeing that

00:03:47.140 through Justin Trudeau's censorship legislation, you know, C-11, C-18, his attacks on the naturopath

00:03:55.520 industry, the regulation of natural health products. So I think that's where we're moving

00:04:02.420 to is, you know, the people who told the truth during the pandemic and then were censored by

00:04:07.520 social media. Justin Trudeau is now trying to legislate social media companies to enforce

00:04:14.420 silence of his political enemies. I think that's where our next battleground is. It's still in civil

00:04:20.720 liberties. It's still the fight for free speech. It's still the little guy against the hammer of

00:04:26.380 the government. You know, you made me think of something about how Trudeau isn't stopping. Like

00:04:30.660 he really is. If it's the COVID today or disinformation or whatever it is. Yeah. I mean,

00:04:38.080 as Dr. James Lindsay said, the issue is never the issue. The revolution is the issue. And he'll just,

00:04:44.540 Trudeau will use whatever issue is in front of him to get the revolution. By revolution, I mean,

00:04:48.980 authoritarian control over our lives and future power to the government. You know, he is so

00:04:54.860 authoritarian by nature and he never stops. He's, and he's got a team around him that are the same

00:05:00.000 way. I think of Stephen Gilboa. That is a pure ideologue who cares only about the revolution.

00:05:05.860 And we know that because he was willing to commit a crime for the revolution.

00:05:09.300 Well, and we're also seeing a reoccurring theme in Justin Trudeau's government. We experienced this

00:05:14.460 firsthand when we won a court order to be in the leadership debates. And he still wouldn't

00:05:21.820 acknowledge us as journalists, even though a court had just slapped him on the wrist and said,

00:05:26.240 they are journalists. His government is still doing the same thing. We saw, you know, Bill C-69,

00:05:33.160 the no more pipelines law gets struck down. And what does Stephen Gilboa, the environment minister,

00:05:40.080 say the next day, we're still going to proceed with this. We saw the plastics ban get struck down.

00:05:45.980 And he said, we're still going to proceed with this. This government keeps getting slapped down

00:05:52.660 and then they continue to ignore the courts. And that's a sign of an ideological, you know,

00:05:58.880 I think it was Churchill who said a fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change

00:06:04.440 a subject. And think about Stephen Gilboa that way. He was in Dubai. He jetted there. I'm sure he

00:06:10.300 went first class, if not on a private airline. And he was talking about, oh, we have such huge

00:06:16.040 regulatory plans. They're novel. He has so many plans to regulate and shut down and cap the fossil

00:06:22.840 fuels industry, which means to cap jobs. And I'm thinking he is undeterred. The number one, two,

00:06:29.560 and three issue in Canadians, according to liberal pollsters like Abacus, the number one, two and

00:06:34.780 three issues are all costs of living, prices of groceries, costs of housing. Pierre Polyev had a

00:06:41.660 viral hit with his 15 minute video called Housing Hell. And you might say, well, that's a bit of a

00:06:46.940 shocking title. Watch the video. It is hell. And so you would think they would address what Canadians 1.00

00:06:53.400 care about. No. Stephen Gilboa thinks that what Canadians want right now is more carbon taxes,

00:06:59.380 more bans on plastics and shutting down the oil and gas industry. The guy is, maniac's the wrong

00:07:05.720 word, although he is manic about his issue. He is, he is un, he is, I guess like a terminator, 0.83

00:07:12.740 as they say in that movie. You can't negotiate with him. You can't bargain with him. He will go

00:07:16.740 until he is stopped. He's an extremist on these issues. I don't know if you saw it last week out of

00:07:22.980 Alberta. Our environment minister, Rebecca Schultz said, the environment minister tried to get me to

00:07:31.660 sign an NDA, a non-disclosure agreement, before he divulged the plans to continue to phase out

00:07:38.980 Alberta's oil and gas with these emissions caps that he then went on the international stage and

00:07:44.120 announced to the world. He didn't even give her a heads up on it unless she agreed to shut up about it.

00:07:51.040 And that's not what she's elected to do. I've never heard of that before.

00:07:55.400 Yeah. I mean, I've heard of a media walkup. So what that is. An embargo. Yeah. So journalists

00:08:01.100 are invited typically an hour or two before a budget, let's say, so that they have time to read the

00:08:07.000 budget documents and ask questions of experts. And they're giving it one or two hours before the

00:08:13.520 whole world so that when it's announced, they're ready to say something. They're not spending two

00:08:18.820 hours reading it. That's a very time limited lockup for people who are not part of government.

00:08:25.460 And so that's the only thing I can think of that is close to a non-disclosure agreement. It's just,

00:08:30.200 hey, we'll give you a sneak peek, but you can't blurt it out. And there's other reasons why they don't

00:08:35.460 want to blurt it out because if someone knows what the budget is before the budget's released,

00:08:38.780 they might buy or sell something on the stock market, whatever. That's the only thing I can think

00:08:43.900 of. I guess there are some top secret state secrets. Sure. But to tell a cabinet minister of

00:08:51.360 another government, I'm not going to tell you what my plans are unless you keep it secret from

00:08:55.860 your government and your people. I have never heard of that in my life in Canada or frankly,

00:09:02.420 in any other democracy. That is an insane thing to do. That is a crazy, that is an out of control guy.

00:09:11.000 Yeah. Well, it also makes me wonder, who else are they saying this to? Right. And who else is

00:09:19.180 complying? Who has signed that? He's so right. You know, I remember, I remember way back in the

00:09:25.180 first Gulf War. So this is more than 20 years ago now. CNN, their, their boss, I think if I'm

00:09:35.240 remembering his name, Eason Jordan, I'll have to check that, wrote, I think it was the New York Times

00:09:39.860 of the Washington Post admitted that they had made a deal with Saddam Hussein, that they had a secret

00:09:46.800 deal. CNN had a secret deal with Saddam Hussein that if they agreed to shape what they said,

00:09:55.920 including to be his mouthpiece, they would be allowed to stay in Iraq when other media weren't.

00:10:01.820 So CNN cut a secret deal with a dictator, didn't tell their viewers. And he later confessed this

00:10:10.760 in, in a newspaper. How could you ever trust CNN before? It's not just that they said, okay,

00:10:16.980 we're keeping a secret. It's they agreed to shape what they said. They were actually a foreign

00:10:22.800 propaganda mouthpiece. Do you doubt that Stephen Gilboa has done the same thing with the CBC?

00:10:29.020 And heck, why not with the CTV or, or the very many media companies that they subsidize?

00:10:34.740 Or with Doug Ford, we see these massive electric vehicle battery deals that are coming to Ontario.

00:10:43.300 What kind of silence is being bought on the back end for that? You know, I, I'm enchanted by Elon Musk

00:10:52.260 these days. I find him so interesting. And that's another thing that we cover. We're sympathetic to

00:10:57.580 Elon Musk, uh, editorially because we, we like his, he's an innovator. He's a builder. He's an

00:11:02.900 industrialist. He's an engineer. He's anti-woke. He's for free speech. There's so many things we

00:11:07.560 like about him. And, and it's, he's a litmus test because you don't have to love the guy. But if you

00:11:13.020 hate, if you think he is a problem, if you think he's the enemy, that tells me something about you.

00:11:17.520 And look at how the U S department of justice and the security exchange commission

00:11:21.540 is gearing up to do a Trump on him. Yep. But, um, one of the things he said the other day,

00:11:28.020 which I have forgotten about is early in Joe Biden's regime, he had a meeting of all the

00:11:32.900 electric vehicle manufacturers except Tesla. Isn't that weird? The big guy. More than all

00:11:39.100 the others combined. Yeah. And, and it's just, there's certain things. I mentioned this because

00:11:45.760 Elon Musk is, I think he's, I know I'm shifting gears here. You made me think about it because you

00:11:50.920 talked about the electric battery plants. Elon Musk says, and I believe him that he has never

00:11:56.340 asked for a subsidy, that all these electric vehicle subsidies were asked for by GM or the

00:12:01.600 others. And they just sort of sloshed over him by accident or as a collateral purpose. I think I

00:12:07.940 believe him when he says that. And it's so, I mean, you could get Tesla to build a factory in Ontario.

00:12:16.080 You could, there's an enormous automobile industry in Ontario already. It's a lot smaller than

00:12:20.900 it used to be, but it's still enormous. You could get that if you had low tax environment,

00:12:27.220 reasonable labor laws, and a non-woke pro-business environment. Elon Musk would build a factory

00:12:36.220 for free. I know it. That's what he, I don't think that, I mean, I have to check, but I don't think

00:12:41.040 he's being paid to set up his factory in, in California or in Texas. And to, to give 15 billion

00:12:49.400 or whatever it is just to build some batteries, holy cow, there's a lot of things going on there.

00:12:54.960 Right.

00:12:55.960 It's, it's buying jobs, buying votes, corporate welfare, but there's also,

00:13:02.280 we're going to support Elon Musk's competitor. There's a lot of things cooking there.

00:13:06.760 Yeah. I think you're right to touch on the buying votes thing too, because I see

00:13:11.560 what's happening in the Canadian auto industry, sort of what happened in the Rust Belt for Trump,

00:13:19.140 that the regular workers are starting to disconnect from their union leadership.

00:13:24.400 Right.

00:13:25.200 COVID helped with that, I think, where people were being forced to take a vaccine to keep their job

00:13:31.620 and looking to their union shop stewards saying, what are you doing with my dues? You're supposed

00:13:36.720 to stick up for me. And I think those blue collar workers that were traditional NDP and liberal

00:13:42.400 voters here in Ontario, they're going the way of the blue collar voter in Alberta.

00:13:48.660 Isn't that interesting? You made me think of Washington County, Pennsylvania. I spent a fair

00:13:54.440 bit of time there, 2015, 16, 17. That was steel and coal country. And those places were shutting down.

00:14:02.420 I remember driving down one road and there was this big steel plant and it was just on a skeleton

00:14:07.300 crew and just like one shift a day. All the other steel and coal had moved to China, but what had

00:14:12.820 come in to save the state? Fracking. And as fracking gave these folks new job, great jobs, and actually

00:14:23.540 royalty checks, because in Pennsylvania, you own your subsurface rights. So there was a lot of farmers who

00:14:29.380 were getting what they call mailbox money. Every month they get a thousand or two thousand bucks.

00:14:34.020 You know, it lifted the whole state. And that county, Washington County, went from being two to

00:14:39.700 one for Democrats to being a big pro-Trump. And it put Trump over the edge in Pennsylvania,

00:14:45.300 which helped give him the election. That's what it sounds like Doug Ford and Justin Trudeau don't want

00:14:51.940 to have happen. They want to... Exactly.

00:14:54.500 And the funny thing is Jagmeet Singh is what the least labor-ish leader of the NDP you could even

00:14:59.940 design in a lab. The guy's out there with his Louis Vuitton bag or whatever.

00:15:03.780 Right.

00:15:06.100 I don't think he's worked a day in his life with his hands and look who am I to talk,

00:15:09.540 but I'm not the leader of the NDP. You're not pretending either.

00:15:12.100 He's such a fancy pants. Yeah.

00:15:13.860 And where do these working class folks go? I mean, if you're in the government sector union, 0.99

00:15:19.860 obviously you're going to vote for Trudeau and NDP, obviously. Right.

00:15:22.580 But if you're actually a working union, automobile or any other private sector union,

00:15:27.860 you're not voting for Jagmeet Singh or Justin Trudeau.

00:15:30.420 No. And that's a shift that happened in Alberta a very, very long time ago. Any of the oil patch

00:15:34.980 unions, the pipeline unions, they don't vote for Jagmeet Singh. They don't vote for Rachel Notley.

00:15:40.660 Yeah.

00:15:41.540 Because she votes against their jobs. Yeah. Well, what's going on in Alberta? Danielle Smith,

00:15:46.020 I knew her from the university. We were actually at the same time she was the leader of the Young

00:15:50.580 Progressive Conservatives. I was the president of the campus reform party. It was very funny. I mean,

00:15:54.980 I've known her for 30 years and I sort of fell out of touch with her when she

00:16:00.980 defected to the conservatives and it was eight or nine years ago. But I've had a reconnection with

00:16:07.620 her. I've interviewed her a couple of times. I like generally the direction she's in and I judge

00:16:13.460 her a lot by her enemies. I judge her by who's squawking about her. I judge her by what the

00:16:18.420 Globe and Mail and McLean says against her. The more they hate her, the more I say, okay, she's doing

00:16:22.900 well. Yeah. And she's learning, I think, from Pierre Polyev and how she handles the media.

00:16:29.620 I don't know if you saw, she did exactly what Pierre Polyev did when he did the Apple thing.

00:16:36.420 A journalist asked her, you know, we've seen emissions go up in Alberta. And she said,

00:16:43.300 tell me your numbers. Where'd you get your numbers? The journalist was caught completely

00:16:47.780 flat footed. It is so refreshing to see politicians now, particularly conservative ones, be emboldened

00:16:54.420 enough to push back against the media, to treat the enemy like, or to treat the media like the enemy

00:16:59.860 that they are. It's good to finally see them recognize it. Oh, you're so right. And in Alberta,

00:17:03.620 in particular, the CBC, in an unethical manner, really campaigned against her in the last election,

00:17:08.740 they knew their mission was to kill her, and they didn't succeed. You know, it's funny,

00:17:14.180 because I was not at the Apple Orchard moment, which was just classic. But I was at an event

00:17:19.060 with Pierre Polyev when that CP reporter sort of said, oh, you made a false announcement about

00:17:26.820 a purported terror attack at the Rainbow Bridge. And he said, no, I referenced a media report. They

00:17:31.780 went back and forth. And I was there. I hadn't been to a press conference like that in a while.

00:17:36.900 And what was interesting to me, Sheila, is I think there were five or six reporters there.

00:17:40.420 I got the first question and I asked about Hamas on the streets, which was the theme of the press

00:17:45.220 conference. Here's what I saw about the rest of the questions. There was one Jewish reporter there

00:17:48.900 for a Jewish newspaper who asked a Jewish question, but put that aside. The rest of the reporters,

00:17:53.380 CBC, CTV, Global, etc. None of them asked about what Pierre Polyev said.

00:17:58.980 Right.

00:17:59.540 All of them asked about really obscure hobby horse vendetta issues. And what's interesting is almost

00:18:06.660 all of them just read verbatim from their phone. Now, I'm not criticizing. Sometimes I write my

00:18:11.700 questions out if I want it to be just perfect. But what I sense there is they were reading questions

00:18:16.980 sent to them by central command from the CBC. And so when Pierre Polyev pushed back in this case on

00:18:23.460 the Canadian, they had no idea because they were just saying, oh, the big boss at the CBC headquarters

00:18:29.940 wrote this perfectly worded attack on Polyev. I'm going to read it. Okay, but what happens if you're

00:18:35.540 asked to back it up? So it was amazing to watch the back and forth. This Canadian press reporter

00:18:43.060 had no idea. She had never been on the back foot before. She had never debated before.

00:18:48.740 She had never been on the defensive before. She didn't know how to handle it. And predictably,

00:18:52.740 all the other me, oh, you're a bully. Like, you see the CBC at issue panels. Oh, this is unbecoming 0.74

00:18:59.300 of a leader. Really? You didn't say that when you and I and Rebel News was banned. Banned from it.

00:19:06.180 I never had that solidarity from other media when we were literally banned or, I hate to say it,

00:19:10.980 when our people were physically assaulted. Never that solidarity. But Pierre Polyev asked a question.

00:19:16.180 And the entire media party takes it as a moral affront. It's a pleasure to see.

00:19:21.780 We can't even go to a liberal press conference. We can't even find out where they are.

00:19:26.420 And these people are complaining that being told to back up their contentions to politicians,

00:19:34.740 that's offensive to them. Really, you must see Danielle Smith push back on that person because 1.00

00:19:41.540 he said, you know, emissions are going up in Alberta. So, you know, you're headed off to Dubai

00:19:46.420 and you're going to go there and sell Alberta oil and gas as a clean alternative. She just stopped.

00:19:52.420 Is there a video clip of it? There's a video clip. Let's take a look.

00:19:54.740 As the owner of this resource, we have a responsibility to make sure that we're taking

00:19:58.020 care of emissions. That's why we set our target in the first place. What we don't accept is the federal

00:20:02.260 government thinking they can do it better than us when they can't. And that's why we're going to be

00:20:06.180 asserting our constitutional right to be able to manage this resource.

00:20:11.300 Emissions have gone up radically in Alberta. But follow-up question. We had a couple of polls

00:20:17.220 earlier this fall that suggest as many as two-thirds of Albertans actually support an emissions cap on

00:20:22.180 oil and gas. How confident are you that Albertans back you on this?

00:20:28.020 What are your numbers?

00:20:28.900 I think it was 62% in one poll and 57% in the other.

00:20:36.820 No, what are your numbers that you're talking about emissions going up? I just need to know

00:20:40.500 what your baseline is.

00:20:42.580 Well, it was from the Canadian energy regulator, Premier. I mean, I can send them to Sam if you like,

00:20:51.860 but Albertans emissions are going up. I don't really want to argue about that. I'd like an answer to my

00:20:58.100 second question, please.

00:20:59.380 Well, you did assert. That's why I'm curious what your numbers are, because I gave you the two

00:21:03.700 examples of how our emissions have gone down. That's why I need to know why you say that they've gone up.

00:21:08.820 Carbon dioxide emissions have gone up. You're forcing me to guess here, but I think it was something

00:21:14.980 like 256 megatons. I don't have the number offhand. I can find it from the Canadian energy regulator and

00:21:22.260 send it along to Sam. Too sweet. But I would like an answer to my second question, please.

00:21:28.500 Okay. Well, I think emissions are going down. This is why we're probably not going to get an answer to

00:21:33.300 this, because yes, emissions have gone down 53% in electricity. They've also gone down 45% on methane.

00:21:39.700 And we're continuing to see that the Pathways Group, Dow Chemical, Air Products,

00:21:46.020 and others have made emissions reduction targets of net zero by 2050. So there is a whole of industry

00:21:52.980 approach to getting emissions down to net neutrality by 2050. It's a matter of rolling out the technology

00:21:59.700 to make sure that we have the means to do it with a technology approach, as opposed to with a

00:22:05.700 with a shut-in approach. So if you asked Albertans, do you want your production shut in so that you lose

00:22:12.500 1.2 million barrels a day of production, and you reduce revenues by 6.5 billion a year, and you're

00:22:19.540 cutting a third out of our health budget, I suspect you'd probably get a very different answer, because

00:22:25.060 that is what the implications of a production cut of this magnitude would be. And that is not something

00:22:31.220 that Albertans support, and it's certainly not something that the federal government should support

00:22:34.580 either, when this industry gave $9 billion worth of corporate income tax to them last year.

00:22:40.260 That is the consequences of what would happen if we ended up with the production cut, which we won't

00:22:45.540 allow to happen. You're right, she is picking up a little bit of the apple. I think Pierre Polyev

00:22:50.260 should, I mean, you don't want to walk around with an apple in your pocket, because that's going to be a

00:22:53.300 big bulge. But if you have an apple holder, like Pierre Polyev always travels with an assistant,

00:22:59.140 I think that assistant should have a little apple in like a suitcase or a purse or whatever. And if 1.00

00:23:05.380 there's an apple, I think they should rush and hand the apple to the boss. And then I think the boss

00:23:10.500 should take, this is just my theory, because I think it would be such a winning move. Let's go back to

00:23:14.900 Danielle Smith for a second. There was a moment there, when on the provincial scene, it looked pretty

00:23:20.420 bleak. And I think Doug Ford is actually a liberal, I think he's a disgrace. But Scott Moe, Danielle 0.98

00:23:25.620 Smith, I see this Blaine Higgs. He was terrible during the lockdowns, but boy, he's standing up for

00:23:30.500 things in terms of parental consent, or at least informing parents about their kids changing genders.

00:23:36.500 I see a national revolt against carbon taxes. I see now the head of the Northwest Territories is saying,

00:23:43.860 we can't have a carbon tax, everything we do is based on diesel, everything has to be shipped in or

00:23:47.700 flown in. I sense that Danielle Smith is not alone. And there's this new coalition of premiers who are

00:23:56.580 in their calm manner. They're not bomb throwers, they're just in a calm manner saying, you know what,

00:24:01.940 we're sort of not going to go along with Trudeau anymore. He is unpopular, his ideas are unpopular.

00:24:08.820 He's still pretending it's 2015. And carbon tax is the thing people want to care about instead of

00:24:14.340 the cost of living in housing. I like the way things are going in the provincial scene.

00:24:18.340 Yeah, I think we're seeing a little bit of the DeSantis effect with Danielle Smith,

00:24:22.180 and I say DeSantis as the governor and not the candidate for the President of the United States,

00:24:26.900 in that she'll go out on these tough issues first, quite frequently, or at least the loudest. Sometimes

00:24:33.540 Saskatchewan is leading on these issues. They had their sovereignty act before we ever did in Alberta,

00:24:38.500 but they just quietly did it. We're a little bit more bombastic in Alberta. She'll go out loud,

00:24:44.100 she'll put the feds on warning. And wouldn't you know it, all the other premiers sidle up behind 1.00

00:24:48.980 her and say, you know what, us too. And we saw Ron DeSantis do that when he said, I'm not going to do

00:24:52.980 lockdowns anymore. Then all of a sudden, Kristi Noem in the Dakota said same thing. So I think she's

00:25:00.820 doing a little bit of that. And you'd be surprised who's joining her on these issues. For example,

00:25:05.140 in Manitoba, Wab Canoe, he's saying, you know what, we need a carbon tax break here too. He's breaking with his

00:25:11.300 own party and being more of one of those prairie pragmatist NDPers that we saw so many years ago.

00:25:18.020 I had a hard heart towards Wab Canoe. Oh, I do. I still do on a lot of issues.

00:25:22.980 Because he did some really rough things. But I have to say, when he won, his acceptance speech

00:25:30.020 showed more humility than I thought, showed a recognition of his past failures. And

00:25:35.540 it was, I mean, I'm not sure how he's governed since Canada, they haven't followed it that closely.

00:25:40.260 But he talked about how indigenous people can't always just blame the system. I want to show you

00:25:45.620 a short clip of that. Because this moment of grace bought a lot of time for me with Wab Canoe,

00:25:51.940 someone who I had hardened my heart to. Here, take a look at Wab Canoe, the premier of Manitoba.

00:25:56.900 I want to speak to the young Nietzsche's out there. I want to speak to young people from all

00:26:05.860 backgrounds. Really, I want to speak to people of all ages. But I want to speak to young Nietzsche's 0.72

00:26:10.980 in particular. I was given a second chance in life. And I would like to think that I've made good

00:26:22.740 on that opportunity. And you can do the same. Here's how. My life became immeasurably better

00:26:33.860 when I stopped making excuses. And I started looking for a reason. And I found that reason in our

00:26:45.700 family. I found that reason in our community. And I found that reason in our province and country.

00:26:55.140 And so to young people out there who want to change your life for the better, you can do it.

00:27:00.180 I tell you, if he's saying he wants a holiday from the carbon tax, that tells me he's listening

00:27:06.180 more to the people of Manitoba than he's listening to Jagmeet Singh. And that's a good sign.

00:27:10.900 Well, he's also more reasonable on this issue than the previous PC government.

00:27:15.300 Isn't that a great point? That's such a good point. You know what? It is true. Everyone does

00:27:21.060 deserve a right to earn a second chance. They don't deserve a second chance just cause.

00:27:25.620 Right. But I think there has to be some sort of recognition

00:27:28.980 and maybe contrition or something. He did a lot of bad things. But I like, for an NDPer, 0.71

00:27:34.340 he's off to a good start. As you point out, and by the way, I remember Brian Pallister, who was

00:27:40.020 the Premier of Manitoba during the lockdowns, was one of the most brutal. One of the most brutal.

00:27:45.380 Very interesting. Well, I don't know. I think that everywhere I look, there's disaster. But

00:27:52.420 I do have hope that things will correct, that the pendulum will swing back. I think in the United 0.74

00:27:57.300 States, it will. In fact, I think everyone knows that, including the Democrats, are going to try and

00:28:01.540 replace Joe Biden before the election, because I think he's a disaster. Most Democrats know it.

00:28:06.260 I think they're trying to maneuver Gavin Newsom in there, frankly. I think in Canada,

00:28:10.580 the polls show almost a 20-point lead by Pierre Polyev. And he is still silent on certain key

00:28:15.620 issues. He has not said a word against mass immigration, for example. He's afraid of certain

00:28:21.060 cultural issues because he doesn't want to be tagged as racist. And I get it, he wants to win. But I

00:28:25.860 think in every way, Pierre Polyev would be an improvement. I think that, I mean, according to polls,

00:28:31.860 right now, Trump would win, frankly, even if he was in jail. I see elections overseas. For example,

00:28:38.900 in Holland, the Netherlands, with here builders, winning in part by opposing nitrogen taxes that

00:28:45.620 they're imposing on their farmers. It was weird for me to hear it, because we hear carbon, carbon,

00:28:49.860 carbon, carbon. And we're sort of numb to the fact how crazy it is talking about chemical. It's on

00:28:55.540 the periodic table of the elements. It would be like if someone started talking about,

00:28:58.500 you know, hydrogen. Yeah. Oh, we got to get rid of this hydrogen. Well, it's like the building block.

00:29:05.300 Well, hydrogen. Are you crazy? We've heard this word carbon. It's in everything. And they've 0.96

00:29:11.220 labeled it as pollution. We are made up largely of carbon. See, carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen is a

00:29:18.100 building block for almost everything. And so here, let me play a clip from you when I was talking to

00:29:23.780 Geert Wilders, and he just talks about nitrogen on the blue. And what? And in the Netherlands,

00:29:29.780 they normalize the war on nitrogen. Yeah. And hearing him say it, it just, I mean,

00:29:34.180 I know what he's talking about, because we covered the farmers' rebellion. But it made me realize how

00:29:38.260 absurd we must sound to normal people. Carbon, carbon, carbon, carbon emissions, zero net carbon.

00:29:44.500 Take a look at Geert talking about nitrogen. The second priority is that people feel that they are totally

00:29:51.460 an ejected, the Dutchman, the indigenous people. They believe that while we spent 60, 17 billion

00:29:58.740 euros a year when it comes to nitrogen or climate change or all those other things, that they have

00:30:08.660 trouble paying for their utilities, the rent, the gasoline for their car, the social security or the

00:30:17.700 healthcare system. So we believe that we should stop feeding those leftish, liberal, ideological

00:30:24.900 nonsense issues. And we should make sure that our people have enough money in their pocket and really

00:30:31.460 can help our economy and help themselves. So those issues are the two most important. Stop the immigration 1.00

00:30:38.980 and asylum seeking. Be proud of our own identity, culture, and everything that goes with that. And make

00:30:47.140 sure that we make better choices with the euros that we have. Don't spend it to Africa. Don't spend it to

00:30:54.180 other countries in the European Union as a transfer union that we almost have in the eurozone. Don't

00:30:59.220 spend it on nitrogen and other issues. Give our own people their money back with lower taxes and lower

00:31:06.420 burdens for the Dutchman. It's all madness. It's all madness. It's... You know that old saying, 0.99

00:31:14.980 how many angels dance on the head of a pin. You know, you can get into such an abstruse,

00:31:20.500 uh, abstract debate about something that has, that is no longer related to anything in real life.

00:31:27.300 And, and I think of the massive global warming conference that the UN has, and everyone's talking

00:31:34.180 about, well, I'm an expert in carbon emissions reduction technology. And you're all focused on the

00:31:38.900 nitty gritty instead of the emperor has no clothes. You guys are all crazy. You're talking about carbon, 1.00

00:31:44.020 which is a naturally occurring element. You're pretending that what you do will make a difference

00:31:47.940 to the world's temperature. You are literally saying that if we don't pay your taxes, there will be

00:31:52.580 tornadoes or a volcano or something. And you want to sacrifice the virgin to the volcano, but you're

00:31:57.860 updating that narrative and talking about we'll pay taxes to me and I promise there won't be a hurricane.

00:32:02.900 They are all crazy because they've been saying it for decades now. Everyone just repeats the weird

00:32:09.380 talking points. I do think though, the emperor does have no, no clothes now. Um, we saw the United Arab 1.00

00:32:17.940 Emirates say, we're not phasing out fossil fuels. That's crazy. Show us how that works that we could

00:32:26.100 ever advance as a society and ever be actually energy efficient without our good friend fossil fuels.

00:32:31.940 Saskatchewan and Alberta did what Trump did in von Germany. They went there, they had their

00:32:37.700 delegations and they promoted clean Canadian oil and gas as opposed to the dictatorial dirty oil and

00:32:44.980 gas of the world. So I think, I think we're seeing a bit of the tide shifting specifically when the,

00:32:52.180 the host country is saying we have absolutely no intention of phasing out fossil fuels.

00:32:56.500 Yeah. I mean, Dubai is such an energy intensive place, whether it's for air conditioning

00:33:01.620 or building steel towers to the sky. Just building things just because you can.

00:33:05.620 Yeah. And, and, and there's more aircraft per person there between Etihad and Emirates to the

00:33:12.980 world's largest airlines in a tiny country. I mean, that is a fossil fuel. That's a, that's a country

00:33:17.940 that's getting a lot of things right. Well, listen, it's great to catch up with you. And I feel like

00:33:24.020 2023 was the year that rebel news normalized. I mean, we were so focused on the pandemic and rightly so,

00:33:30.900 I think we rose to the occasion. It was a historic moment. One of the great things we did was create,

00:33:35.140 create with our friends at the democracy fund, a civil liberties charity to help fill the void.

00:33:40.500 Other than the justice center for constitutional freedoms, there really were very, very few people

00:33:45.140 fighting for civil liberties in the courts. And that was our total focus for a year. I think this

00:33:52.260 last year, we focused on other things, whether it's David Menzies and the transgender insanity, 1.00

00:33:57.700 or whether it's, you know, I mean, I mean, now we're focused on the Hamas war a bit. What do you think

00:34:04.340 2024 is going to hold? I think we've already seen a little bit of it. And that is fighting for the free

00:34:12.260 speech of people who are being canceled, particularly local politicians on the school board

00:34:17.460 and whatnot, who are standing up against the trans agenda, who are saying, this is madness.

00:34:22.580 These boys cannot compete against girls. We cannot sexualize kids in the classroom.

00:34:26.980 I've done some reporting on that. David Menzies has done some incredible work on that.

00:34:31.060 And I think that's where the real next fight for the democracy fund will be,

00:34:37.300 is on these smaller issues where people, politicians are brave enough to stand up

00:34:42.980 and speak on behalf of the people who sent them there to do what's best for kids at the school board.

00:34:47.540 Yeah. The last two big cases the democracy fund has are pastor Arthur Pavlovsky's appeal

00:34:54.900 of his conviction for giving that sermon at the blockade and Tamara Leach's trial insanely

00:35:01.380 is reaching all the way into March of 2024. Those are the last big cases. Of course,

00:35:06.180 the democracy fund has hundreds of little cases that are being dispatched. I think that

00:35:14.180 one thing to watch is the CBC when they're cornered. They know, they have, they absolutely realize

00:35:22.900 that Pierre Pauliev is serious when he says he doesn't like them. Every conservative leader

00:35:27.060 always says, oh, I don't like the CBC. Stephen Harper didn't defund them or privatize them.

00:35:31.780 No. Andrew Scheer and the other guy whose name I've forgotten and don't want to remember.

00:35:36.660 They, they would never criticize the CBC. Pierre Pauliev is campaigning against them,

00:35:42.660 is naming and shaming them every day. They've got to be taking him seriously, and I do,

00:35:48.020 that he will privatize and do something to them. I think you're going to see

00:35:53.140 the CBC and then the newly colonized print media who just got another big bailout from Trudeau.

00:36:01.300 You are going to see the activation of the state regime media more than you've ever seen before.

00:36:07.620 And you're probably thinking, how is that possible? They're already fully activated.

00:36:11.060 Imagine someone who, who feels in their bones, they are going to be fired if Pierre Pauliev wins.

00:36:19.700 They personally will be fired. What wouldn't they do? They would do anything. And I think you're going

00:36:25.700 to see 2024 will be the year of the extreme weaponization of all the institutions that Trudeau

00:36:32.660 can control through money. You're going to see media. You're going to see professors getting

00:36:36.980 government grants. You're going to see the RCMP. You're going to see this total weaponization

00:36:41.860 of the instruments of the state that Trudeau controls. When you're 20 points behind and they're

00:36:46.020 facing electoral oblivion. If you're an extremist like that, you will do anything. You will burn

00:36:51.220 down the whole house to stop your opponents from winning. I think that 2024 will be in some ways the

00:36:58.340 worst year yet. I'll offer just a little pushback because these constant media bailouts are evidence

00:37:06.900 that whatever the media is doing is completely failing. It shows that people have lost trust in them,

00:37:11.700 particularly over the last three years. The media didn't just attack the conservatives,

00:37:17.860 they attacked the people during COVID. And so the people who normally would have maybe tuned into the

00:37:24.420 CBC, they have turned against the CBC and it has necessitated ongoing bailouts. So I think the media's

00:37:33.380 effectiveness at attacking politicians on the right, I think it's drastically dwindled because of the

00:37:40.580 media's own actions over the last three years. You know what, you make some good points there. And of

00:37:44.340 course, we talked earlier about Elon Musk liberating Twitter, reinvigorating Twitter. It's the public

00:37:50.340 square. And maybe, maybe the people through alternative ways of connecting and communicating can outweigh the

00:37:59.940 reishi media.

Rebel News Podcast - December 12, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Ezra Levant on the pro-freedom coverage of Rebel News

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