Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Ezra nearly dragged from London court in Tommy trial chaos

00:00:00.000 Tonight, a quick trip to London for Tommy Robinson's trial, but I was the one who was almost arrested.

00:00:06.660 It's October 14th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:12.620 Shame on you, you censorious bug!

00:00:24.740 Oh, hi everybody. I'm in London, about to come back to Toronto. I'll be home in a few hours.

00:00:29.400 I want to tell you the story of the last two days. I've been here for Tommy Robinson's terrorism trial.

00:00:35.860 That sounds very scary to say. Here, I'll show you the story as it unfolded on the streets of London.

00:00:40.880 And I'll tell you one thing, I'm lucky I'm able to go home. Here, take a look.

00:00:45.740 Ezra LeVant here. It's just after 11 a.m. As you can see, I'm standing outside the Westminster Magistrates Court.

00:00:52.920 There's a bit of a crowd milling around. The court is on a break.

00:00:56.620 When we end the break, in about 20 minutes' time, there will be concluding submissions, final submissions, by the lawyers.

00:01:07.500 On the side of Tommy Robinson, Alistair Williamson, KC, who says he's going to talk for about an hour.

00:01:13.740 And the prosecutor, Joe Morris, who says she'll need less time.

00:01:19.200 They also agreed on entering a fact, namely Tommy's passport, that shows he goes back and forth from the U.K. to Spain, where he lives these days.

00:01:28.300 That's relevant, and that the police, when they stopped him, claimed that Spain was an exotic place to go.

00:01:34.800 Of course, a cursory review of his passport would show that he goes there all the time.

00:01:39.480 And I say again, based on the trial evidence yesterday, if there were anyone other than Tommy Robinson, this case would never have been brought in the first place, and they would have dropped it by now.

00:01:50.220 There are dozens of police here.

00:01:54.040 In fact, I saw six police vans about a block away, which I think shows how the regime in the U.K. believes its own propaganda, that Tommy Robinson is some violent threat.

00:02:08.020 When the people who are gathered outside here are friendly, wouldn't hurt a fly, law-abiding, London itself is full of, it's a crime wave, knife crime, thefts.

00:02:20.860 In fact, I'm probably standing too close to the road with my camera.

00:02:24.580 People come by and grab iPhones in this town all the time, probably a thousand a day are stolen.

00:02:30.000 So yeah, the U.K. government, the city of London have an obsession with Tommy Robinson, they have a vendetta against him, Keir Starmer, the prime minister, and Sadek Khan, the mayor.

00:02:41.920 I want to talk to you for a minute about something else that happened this morning, because it happened to me, and I should tell you my side of the story.

00:02:49.220 So yesterday, a journalist for the BBC complained to the court that I was tweeting mean things.

00:02:55.620 Now just stop and think about that.

00:02:57.480 He was like an informant.

00:03:00.680 He was like a KGB agent going to tattle.

00:03:03.760 That's not journalism.

00:03:04.840 Journalism would be, oh, Ezra Levant is in the court, and he's saying spicy things.

00:03:09.000 But the world wouldn't care.

00:03:10.580 They would say, stop being such a weenie.

00:03:12.560 But this BBC journalist went to tattle to the court.

00:03:17.200 He said to the court, Ezra's saying mean things.

00:03:19.480 And he tried to activate the authority of the court against me.

00:03:25.540 And indeed, yesterday, the judge ordered me to stop live-tweeting while he reviewed things.

00:03:31.420 So I know the BBC hates it when they're called a state broadcaster.

00:03:36.100 They would probably say they're a public broadcaster or something like that.

00:03:40.900 Of course they're not.

00:03:41.840 They live off extracted funds from the public.

00:03:44.680 But when you, as a journalist, have no problem, they have that phrase here in the UK, to grasp on someone.

00:03:52.800 That means to turn them into snitch, to rat.

00:03:56.060 That's astonishing to me.

00:03:57.280 I mean, does the BBC turn in people to the police?

00:04:00.600 Do they, if they're doing a news story and they see something they don't like, do they stop and put on their hat of being a policeman or something?

00:04:08.660 Just crazy unethical behavior.

00:04:11.780 Anyways, so yesterday I said to the judge that I'm a member of the Independent Press Gallery of Canada.

00:04:16.860 And last night I got the president of the Independent Press Gallery some other credentials to the judge.

00:04:23.780 So the first thing this morning at 10 a.m., the judge sort of called me into the room and said,

00:04:29.700 Look, I accept your credentials.

00:04:31.040 I understand your credential journalist back in Canada.

00:04:34.020 I will respect your credentials here in the UK.

00:04:36.320 But yesterday, he said, you were tweeting things that were too prickly towards officers of the court.

00:04:43.780 And I presume he meant police and the prosecutor.

00:04:46.920 And I absolutely was.

00:04:48.300 I mean, I was very critical.

00:04:50.100 But no more critical than the regime media is towards Tommy Robinson.

00:04:54.100 Now, that's what I thought.

00:04:54.980 But I wasn't going to talk back to the judge in his own court, especially when he was in the process of granting me credentials.

00:05:01.000 But in my mind, I was saying, hey, judge, do you have similar comments for the BBC or Sky News or The Guardian for when they trash talk Tommy?

00:05:11.780 I mean, there's no such thing as a journalistic article in the UK that doesn't say Tommy Robinson, the founder of the English Defense League,

00:05:20.260 or Tommy Robinson, convicted criminal, irrelevant, out of context, factually false in some cases.

00:05:28.380 That's just normal.

00:05:29.200 It's normal to defame Tommy Robinson.

00:05:32.340 The establishment is fine with it.

00:05:34.380 But God forbid you point out how the police and the prosecutor are heavy-handed.

00:05:38.600 Well, then it's a whole little kerfuffle.

00:05:42.300 I want to be obedient to the judge because it is his courtroom.

00:05:45.760 And frankly, I'm a guest in this country.

00:05:47.600 And I don't want to be too poorly behaved.

00:05:49.380 But it was quite a moment to know that the BBC thinks of their function as snitching on rival journalists to shut them up, both commercially and ideologically.

00:06:01.040 Well, the judge actually credentialed me.

00:06:03.320 And so now I'm sitting in the courtroom itself.

00:06:06.320 The audio, it's much better.

00:06:09.480 The acoustics are much better.

00:06:10.980 Oh, by the way, I want to point out one more thing.

00:06:12.560 You see this?

00:06:13.480 Let me move the camera down. 0.82

00:06:15.000 I've mentioned it before, but I've never worn it before until today.

00:06:22.880 That's my Queen's Jubilee Medal, granted to me, handed to me personally by the Lieutenant Governor of Alberta about a dozen years ago, a little more than that, for advancing freedom of expression.

00:06:34.680 That's why I got it.

00:06:35.560 Now, I know thousands of people got this award.

00:06:38.100 I mean, it's special, but it's not rare.

00:06:40.800 It's not unique.

00:06:41.660 And it's not a military award.

00:06:43.360 It's a civilian award.

00:06:45.020 And I've never worn it, partly because I don't know where I would wear an award.

00:06:48.340 And also another part of me thinks, I don't want to pretend for a second that it's a military award, that I earned it in battle or anything.

00:06:55.720 I've just looked at it and thought about it.

00:06:58.120 And I keep it with me when I travel to the UK because I always have this fear that I'll be stopped at the border, like Tommy was, arrested and interrogated for helping Tommy.

00:07:07.200 It's just a fear I have.

00:07:08.200 So I just have the medal on me.

00:07:10.080 And I put it on my lapel for the very first time I've worn the medal when the judge summoned me today to talk about my credentials as a citizen journalist.

00:07:20.240 And it was my symbolic way of remembering that no matter what the BBC snitches say, I'm advancing freedom of expression.

00:07:30.320 And they're the ones trying to get rival journalists jailed.

00:07:33.960 They didn't want to get me jailed today that I know of.

00:07:36.480 But in the past, the BBC has actually reported me to police for tweets I've made.

00:07:41.800 That's a true story and one I'll tell you another day.

00:07:43.880 Anyways, it's 11.15 a.m.

00:07:46.740 I should head back on in because court's going to get underway in about 15 minutes and I want to live tweet it.

00:07:53.000 I will be, let's say, 5% less spicy because I want to honor my pledge to the judge.

00:07:59.620 I'm being lighthearted a little bit, but it's actually a very grave day.

00:08:03.040 Tommy Robinson could be sent to jail for months for the matter that we're gathered here for today,

00:08:09.520 namely his refusal to give police the password to his iPhone.

00:08:13.880 Without a search warrant, they just thought they could stop him on the road and get that information from him

00:08:18.120 under the Terrorism Act of the Concert.

00:08:20.680 Anyways, I'm going to go in now.

00:08:21.940 Thanks for watching.

00:08:22.920 If you want to help cover the cost of my economy class airfare to London, I'd appreciate it.

00:08:27.860 I'm going back today.

00:08:28.760 So I had two flights and one very low cost hotel room.

00:08:32.840 But still, unlike the BBC, I can't extract $4 billion a year from taxpayers.

00:08:37.620 If you want to chip in, you can do that at TommyTrial.com.

00:08:40.600 Thanks for your support.

00:08:41.360 So, Tommy, so you've got the man Ezra.

00:08:48.720 So, Tommy, sorry, sorry, Ezra, what has been the outcome for the judge's decision for allowing you to live tweet?

00:08:58.260 And what was the rationale given to justify that decision?

00:09:01.660 Sure.

00:09:02.060 Well, the judge looked at my credentials from Canada.

00:09:04.480 I'm a member of the independent press gallery.

00:09:07.400 And frankly, I think the UK needs an independent press gallery because the National Union of Journalists, I'm told, has a bit of a political bias.

00:09:15.380 And they do not accredit citizen journalists who don't toe a certain line.

00:09:18.920 Yeah.

00:09:18.940 The judge did say I could live tweet, but Wendell, my point of view is other people should be allowed to as well.

00:09:26.960 Journalism is not a profession like law or medicine where there's actually, like journalism is an activity.

00:09:33.220 Either you do it or you don't do it.

00:09:34.700 So, I think the judge has to open wide the doors to the court.

00:09:39.080 In the interest of transparency and modernity, he's got to stop preferencing the legacy media, Wendell.

00:09:45.200 And the great thing, you can now go back in the court at 11 o'clock and you can live tweet and tell people exactly what is happening.

00:09:56.580 And I think I'm going to sit right next to the BBC when I do it.

00:10:00.620 So, Tommy, are you happy hearing that Ezra?

00:10:04.340 I need Ezra.

00:10:05.120 I've asked Ezra every case because I know that the truth doesn't go out there.

00:10:08.040 So, Ezra comes and Ezra's a machine.

00:10:09.580 I don't know if you've ever seen him in action.

00:10:10.620 I've heard.

00:10:11.120 I've heard it.

00:10:12.380 It's insane to watch.

00:10:13.320 So, you can sit there, you'll sit there talking to him and then 10 seconds later, you'll get an email this long.

00:10:18.380 And it's like, how did you do that?

00:10:19.600 How did you even do that?

00:10:20.780 So, I watch Ezra.

00:10:22.560 Do you think, you know, citizen journalism, because Ezra, you're great at organising and I'm not,

00:10:26.180 there should be an international citizen journalism recognised awards ceremony.

00:10:30.460 So, when you're sitting like this gentleman, you see young Bob, you see all these people in different countries who are rising stars of citizen journalism,

00:10:38.140 there should be a recognition system, a worldwide recognition system or some sort of programme,

00:10:42.380 like an international awards thing.

00:10:44.960 I'm hating that to you Ezra because you're going to organise it.

00:10:46.860 When I visited you in prison, that was one of the things you said you want to see it happening.

00:10:55.940 I want to see the young people, the young auditors, the young live streamers.

00:11:01.940 I think that we, you've seen, we've done it at United Kingdom.

00:11:04.320 We recognise them, brought them forward.

00:11:06.560 This is the future of media.

00:11:08.060 They need to be recognised and encouraged because I know they're going to, what we're going to see now, you saw it with Channel 4,

00:11:14.500 is they're going to face mass attack.

00:11:16.260 They're going to face attack from government, from police and from media, the same way I face attack.

00:11:20.840 And they're going to do it because they don't want them having any, they don't want to lose the control.

00:11:24.300 And then, as we saw in court yesterday, they lost the control, so they tried to pull it back.

00:11:28.500 Unfortunately, Ezra has credentials.

00:11:30.860 But if Ezra didn't have those credentials, then today, it's stuffed.

00:11:35.060 Yeah, they're back in control.

00:11:36.400 So we need to somehow, yeah, we need to certainly focus on the citizen journalism aspect,

00:11:41.760 because there's so many good people coming.

00:11:43.680 If it wasn't for, what's his name, who's on GB News sometimes, in Epin.

00:11:48.920 If it wasn't for the reporting in Epin and the live streamers, we wouldn't have seen that Antifa got bought in.

00:11:56.460 It would never have been reported.

00:11:58.080 The public wouldn't have been aware of it.

00:11:59.440 So citizen journalism, I always say mainstream media, is there any here, are the cancer.

00:12:04.680 And citizen journalism is the cure.

00:12:06.520 All these guys with their phones, that's the future.

00:12:09.040 And that's how you stop the bullshit, stop the lies, by instant, on the ground, live streaming, reporting.

00:12:15.080 And you can see the public want to support these citizen journalists.

00:12:18.300 I think it's great.

00:12:19.740 Ezra introduced me to citizen journalism.

00:12:21.460 So I think you were the first with Rebel Media, the first alternative.

00:12:24.020 Big up, Ezra.

00:12:24.500 The first alternative.

00:12:25.080 Come in, there's Rebel Media.

00:12:26.280 Rebel Media.

00:12:27.560 So it's all good to watch, man.

00:12:29.220 And do you know what a mad story?

00:12:30.520 I was driving, from your live stream, from your live stream, I pulled up around that corner,

00:12:36.020 a black taxi driver got out and said, just watch you on the live stream.

00:12:39.140 There's your Percy Picks.

00:12:41.040 And he gave me three packs.

00:12:45.660 And he actually stopped in the game.

00:12:47.400 He went and got them from watching our live stream.

00:12:49.520 He must be sat in his taxi.

00:12:50.600 He's gone to a shop, picked them up, hung up next to us around there, got out of the car and said,

00:12:54.180 I saw your live stream there, some packs of Percy Picks.

00:12:57.860 I've got it on camera.

00:12:59.000 I've got it on camera.

00:12:59.960 I've got it.

00:13:00.520 That is so great.

00:13:01.540 But that's a clear demonstration that people around the world, people in London, they're watching, they're listening.

00:13:07.640 Do you know, even all the Arab lads, black lads in cars, just, they've lost. 1.00

00:13:14.200 They've lost their attempt to demonise us and to make us toxic as racists or extremists.

00:13:20.920 It's all gone.

00:13:21.680 It doesn't, even though all the lads in court yesterday, yeah, no one buys it.

00:13:25.940 Everyone's shaking their hands.

00:13:27.260 So, yeah, there's going to be a battle and it's the people against the establishment.

00:13:32.360 It's not the white people, it's the people against the establishment.

00:13:35.780 If you look around at the people here, everyone, great.

00:13:39.340 Yeah, it's good, man.

00:13:40.080 We're the future.

00:13:40.780 Excellent.

00:13:41.240 So, let's just hope I'm not in jail in this show.

00:13:42.680 I've got to go.

00:13:43.280 Come on.

00:13:45.100 Yeah, cheers, man.

00:13:45.820 Have you read that not one single, I sat down with my legal team and they said,

00:13:51.400 we can't believe the reporting from yesterday.

00:13:53.280 Nothing that happened in court has been reported by the media.

00:13:56.500 Nothing.

00:13:57.300 Other than, oh, drive an expensive car.

00:14:00.040 Drive an expensive car.

00:14:01.100 Focus in on my mate's car.

00:14:02.920 I'm trying to tweet out what I saw.

00:14:04.580 I'm Connie.

00:14:05.720 It's nice to meet you.

00:14:05.860 How are you, Connie darling?

00:14:07.000 Nice to meet you.

00:14:07.520 I'm very well.

00:14:08.640 And God bless you.

00:14:10.740 And I hope all goes well for you today.

00:14:13.520 It has to be.

00:14:14.120 And you have to be believed because that judge has got no friends in it if he doesn't let

00:14:19.440 you out because it is...

00:14:21.860 I'm not going to make it for me.

00:14:22.720 No, go on.

00:14:23.580 Ask me.

00:14:24.280 Go on.

00:14:24.960 Go on.

00:14:25.380 No, I was going to say something about the judge, but I'm not going to yet.

00:14:27.500 Afterwards.

00:14:28.220 Afterwards.

00:14:28.900 Afterwards.

00:14:29.460 I can say you can't.

00:14:30.920 Yeah, you've got to behave yourself.

00:14:32.900 I like your suit today, darling.

00:14:34.420 Very sharp.

00:14:35.280 Thank you.

00:14:36.020 Thank you very much.

00:14:36.740 It's nice to see you.

00:14:37.860 I thought I've overkilled this.

00:14:40.340 You're such a courageous man.

00:14:42.540 I want to say to you, I always say to people, courage is not the absence of fear.

00:14:48.300 It is to do the next right thing despite the fear.

00:14:51.320 And this is what you do.

00:14:53.940 And God bless your mum and your children and your wife.

00:14:59.040 And God bless you.

00:15:00.320 Thank you, Dan.

00:15:00.860 Yeah.

00:15:01.460 Thank you.

00:15:02.540 Yeah, I love your jacket.

00:15:03.580 Bye.

00:15:04.160 Thank you.

00:15:04.480 Do you know something, Tom?

00:15:11.420 It's so great for me to be out on the streets with you and seeing the outpouring of love

00:15:18.240 from so many people in this country.

00:15:21.320 They love you, man.

00:15:22.660 Who else could get screaming and people out?

00:15:23.660 It's a great feeling for me, especially if you've followed the last 15 years.

00:15:28.960 And it's a great feeling that all of those media sitting in there who have come here

00:15:33.540 as smear merchants, no one buys their shit anymore. 0.70

00:15:36.300 Yeah, that's right.

00:15:36.720 No one's listening.

00:15:37.680 It doesn't matter.

00:15:38.620 I think you had 8 million people on your tweets, didn't you, Ezra?

00:15:41.040 Yes, the million.

00:15:41.640 Yeah.

00:15:41.840 8 million?

00:15:42.380 Yeah.

00:15:42.700 So it doesn't matter what the BBC or Sky News or the Daily Mirror say because no one gives

00:15:47.980 a shit.

00:15:48.800 No one's reading them.

00:15:49.840 People are picking up the citizen journalists.

00:15:51.680 They're supporting the citizen journalists.

00:15:53.260 That is why citizen journalists are under attack in a major frame by the mainstream media.

00:15:58.540 Because the mainstream media know that their time is running now.

00:16:01.660 No one cares what they say.

00:16:03.040 No one gives a shit.

00:16:03.880 So I just hope we get not guilty today.

00:16:05.720 And I'm very grateful for ladies like you who have travelled, the ladies from Nottingham

00:16:08.900 and people who have come from all over and shown me absolute love and support.

00:16:11.820 We had three ladies from Glasgow yesterday. 1.00

00:16:14.220 Yeah, three ladies. 1.00

00:16:16.020 They got up at 1am and they came down.

00:16:18.000 Oh my God, man.

00:16:19.480 You know what I mean?

00:16:19.840 For me, that's amazing.

00:16:21.160 Yeah.

00:16:21.620 It's incredible.

00:16:22.900 And I'm very...

00:16:23.240 On the UGK, I was talking to people.

00:16:26.260 It was fantastic.

00:16:27.980 Did you have a good day?

00:16:28.460 I couldn't get over the Westminster Bridge.

00:16:30.620 I had to go home and watch your television.

00:16:32.860 No.

00:16:33.340 I mean, it's 110,000.

00:16:36.120 We know it was three million.

00:16:38.280 I know.

00:16:38.520 You know, it was fantastic.

00:16:39.460 That's how stupid they think people are.

00:16:42.320 And well done for getting the helicopter.

00:16:45.040 Because we could see it was three million.

00:16:47.220 And the police, they had no signal.

00:16:49.700 They're sending people to stations that are shut because they're so crowded.

00:16:53.340 But I was on the one before where they held you on over the weekend.

00:16:58.220 Yeah.

00:16:58.720 And it was fucking marvellous.

00:17:00.640 Sorry for that.

00:17:02.300 I'm picking it up for you.

00:17:04.220 Is it?

00:17:04.540 Is it?

00:17:04.920 Is it?

00:17:05.140 Is it?

00:17:05.460 Is it?

00:17:05.760 Is it?

00:17:06.060 Oh, this is one of the safest places for a little old lady like me. 1.00

00:17:10.280 You know, all the boys, they all look after me.

00:17:13.140 I go up to everyone and say, where'd she come from?

00:17:15.920 And they tell me where they've travelled from.

00:17:17.980 This upper corner, you know.

00:17:19.440 It's great, isn't it?

00:17:20.120 It's a singing.

00:17:21.080 It's a party atmosphere.

00:17:22.460 No trouble.

00:17:23.980 People polite to each other, you know.

00:17:26.560 It's really beautiful.

00:17:28.140 Wait for the next one.

00:17:29.260 Tommy, give me a minute on that whole conflagration with citizen journalists and credentials.

00:17:35.400 What do you think of that?

00:17:36.460 I saw you in the...

00:17:37.240 It surprised me a lot because I've gone through the courts and had the argument myself about being a journalist.

00:17:41.840 And had the last judge I was in supported the fact that you don't need credentials to be a journalist.

00:17:46.040 You just need to have a social media presence and a following and you report the truth and report the news.

00:17:50.660 Now, if you actually...

00:17:51.220 Let me have a look.

00:17:52.060 Let's have a look at this.

00:17:53.380 Because it's frustrating because what it is, is an attempt to control the media again by a government or by a government journalist.

00:18:01.100 A journalist is a person who gathers information in the form of text, audio, pictures, processes into a newsworthy form and decimates it into the public.

00:18:08.120 This process is called journalism.

00:18:09.580 So where does it say you need credentials by government to do that?

00:18:12.760 That's a communist country to decide who are journalists and who's not.

00:18:17.540 So I think the judges took the wrong stance on that.

00:18:19.980 But I've been, again, I've been before many judges who have took an opposite stance.

00:18:24.060 Yeah.

00:18:24.560 But yeah, it was interesting because what it does is...

00:18:26.940 Well, we can see from yesterday's media reporting that if you guys weren't in court, it would have totally...

00:18:32.640 They'd have had total control of the narrative.

00:18:34.240 If no one would have been able to know what was actually being said on the dock by the officers, the lies, the trip-ups, the purgers, all these different things wouldn't have been able to be seen.

00:18:45.800 I don't think the judge liked some of my spicy language, and fair enough.

00:18:49.140 But the media, the regime media, uses spicy language for you all the time.

00:18:55.000 I mean, it's an anomaly that a police officer or a prosecutor gets criticised.

00:18:59.660 I know.

00:18:59.960 But it's standard operating procedure for you, and the judges never complain about that.

00:19:04.300 And it was unbelievable how bad the police were seen.

00:19:07.060 How what they've said in their statement was different, how they got tricked up so much.

00:19:11.660 And not one single report.

00:19:12.960 Yeah.

00:19:13.180 But the man needed a break.

00:19:14.820 Yeah.

00:19:15.100 He needed to take...

00:19:15.640 He drank a whole bottle of water.

00:19:16.980 A whole carafe of water.

00:19:17.940 He was about to faint.

00:19:18.980 The officer was about to faint because he got caught out of line.

00:19:21.120 Yeah.

00:19:21.500 And it was so blatant he got caught out of line.

00:19:22.940 He got tricked up, and he got made to look like the liar he was.

00:19:25.380 Yeah.

00:19:25.840 And it was so blatant why I was detained.

00:19:28.360 I was detained because I'm Tommy Robinson.

00:19:30.140 Yeah.

00:19:30.340 Because of my political belief.

00:19:32.000 Yeah.

00:19:32.260 Not because of anything to do with terrorism.

00:19:34.000 Yeah.

00:19:34.120 Now, that's not right.

00:19:35.260 And they, all the media, should be as alarmed as we are, but they're not.

00:19:39.420 They never are.

00:19:40.460 It's a club.

00:19:40.800 They don't do shit.

00:19:41.260 It's a club.

00:19:41.680 It's a club, and we're not in it.

00:19:43.600 Yeah.

00:19:43.900 But we don't want to be in it, and I never want to be in it.

00:19:46.200 The more they behave like this, the more people it pushes to rebel news, to urban news,

00:19:51.720 so urban scoop, rather.

00:19:53.140 And if we get an Aunt Gowey, we'll be chasing them down outside this court. 1.00

00:19:57.560 Tommy next to you.

00:19:58.460 Get your money shoes on.

00:19:59.380 What's his name?

00:19:59.920 Don?

00:20:01.020 Is that his name?

00:20:01.580 What's his name?

00:20:02.160 Yeah, Daniel or something like that.

00:20:03.700 Your money shoes on, Daniel.

00:20:04.960 Come and find you.

00:20:05.720 Come and find you.

00:20:06.400 Tommy next to you, you've got a well-known auditorium, a well-known citizen journalist.

00:20:10.620 Who's been attacked?

00:20:11.620 I recognise the voice more than anything.

00:20:14.880 The voice.

00:20:15.780 It's the voice.

00:20:16.540 The voice.

00:20:16.900 So what do you want to say to Tommy?

00:20:19.000 And you are a well-known citizen journalist.

00:20:21.480 Tell people where they can watch you up.

00:20:22.980 Yeah.

00:20:23.580 A-Y underscore audits.

00:20:25.700 Say it loud.

00:20:26.400 He's everywhere.

00:20:27.000 The A-Bot Show is fucking hell.

00:20:30.160 That's the second.

00:20:31.500 And then watching.

00:20:38.000 So, so, so, hold on, hold on, get out of the way, please.

00:20:41.000 Get out of the way. 0.53

00:20:42.040 So, Tommy, so, Tommy, what has transpired upstairs?

00:20:46.500 I'll do.

00:20:46.940 Make sure we got.

00:20:48.680 You on?

00:20:49.460 Yeah, we're on.

00:20:50.280 The verdict is the 4th of November.

00:20:52.260 So, back to court.

00:20:53.720 Which, again, is more fees because they just said now we're going to have another bill for another day in court.

00:20:57.860 It's just insane, isn't it?

00:20:59.120 Yeah.

00:20:59.380 Another bill for another day in court.

00:21:00.800 We heard all the evidence.

00:21:01.900 All the evidence.

00:21:02.240 There was no evidence, yeah?

00:21:03.660 So, they arrested me under terrorism legislation, which is where they're meant to find out if I'm a terrorist.

00:21:07.640 All they asked me about, all they asked me about was my political beliefs.

00:21:10.940 All they asked me about.

00:21:12.120 So, they didn't ask me about anything to do with violence, terrorism.

00:21:14.820 In the end, they threw in tank about far-right extremism.

00:21:17.120 They didn't ask me anything about that.

00:21:18.400 They just asked me about my legal, lawful, legitimate political beliefs, which is what this was about.

00:21:23.500 This was about detaining me because I'm Tommy Robinson and because I'm outspoken on subjects such as Islam.

00:21:28.580 You heard it from the final officer, Islamophobia.

00:21:30.880 So, what even is Islamophobia?

00:21:32.740 What, you can't have an opinion of Islam without getting detained under the Terrorism Act now in Great Britain?

00:21:36.360 But, that's it.

00:21:38.140 So, I'm 4th November, which is a good thing because it means I get to go on a state visit to Israel tomorrow to form friendships and allegiances with a government that actually understands Islamic Jihad. 0.54

00:21:48.080 And doesn't just understand them.

00:21:49.800 A government that will stand in the face and fight them rather than bow and pander to them.

00:21:55.120 Because, unfortunately, this government bows and panders to Islamic Jihad.

00:21:58.600 They have already, they've lost, they've surrendered already.

00:22:01.620 Surrendered, recognised a terrorist state.

00:22:03.380 So, yeah, I'm happy because I thought they may try and lock me up today to prevent that.

00:22:08.260 But, yeah, I'm off tomorrow and then I'm back in court now on the 4th November for my verdict.

00:22:12.280 And my final point, I went upstairs earlier on to use the toilet.

00:22:16.420 I then went into court one.

00:22:18.960 When I arrived, I saw this young gentleman being dragged out.

00:22:22.400 Get dragged out.

00:22:23.120 They dragged him out.

00:22:23.940 I was sitting in there.

00:22:24.880 So, the judge had said, Ezra, after fighting, recognised, because he had to recognise, that he's a legitimate journalist that's come from Canada.

00:22:35.700 Then, when the judge went out of the back room, the staff come in and said to Ezra, you need to get out of here.

00:22:41.020 And he said, well, I heard you say, well, the judge has just said I can stay in here.

00:22:44.500 No, you need to leave.

00:22:45.540 Then they brought security in to forcefully eject.

00:22:47.700 And I was there.

00:22:48.400 Oh, you saw it.

00:22:49.180 I was there.

00:22:49.960 Okay, for us sitting in the dock to forcefully eject you from court. 0.98

00:22:54.020 Mad.

00:22:55.300 As I said, there's a war against citizen journalism being fought by the state.

00:22:59.960 It was shocking to me.

00:23:00.940 I mean, the judge gave me the green light.

00:23:03.180 And then the staff wouldn't have it.

00:23:04.700 And they'd done it when the judge was out of the back.

00:23:07.420 Right.

00:23:07.760 We don't know if the judge was onside or not.

00:23:09.000 Yeah, we don't know.

00:23:09.760 You're right.

00:23:10.440 Very strange.

00:23:10.920 So, the judge may have gone out of the back and forcefully had you.

00:23:13.140 We don't know.

00:23:14.520 And that's only 1% of what you face here all the time.

00:23:17.180 Not even 1% of – the deep state, if you can call it that, they don't want any challengers.

00:23:23.580 You're a challenger to it.

00:23:24.700 I'm a challenger in a smaller way.

00:23:26.360 They don't want anyone telling the other side that – what's insane has been their reporting on this case.

00:23:30.680 So, let's see what happens on the 4th of November.

00:23:32.140 Yeah.

00:23:32.420 And then we can dissect – if we win this case, which I hope we do – we can then dissect the absolute embarrassment of journalism from the entire row of mainstream journalists as well as all the ones online.

00:23:44.240 None of them reported any of the unlawful activities of the police officers, which have been proven as unlawful, in court.

00:23:49.900 You know, the judge asked me to go easy on the cops and the prosecutors.

00:23:53.380 That's what he asked me to.

00:23:55.160 Why didn't he ask him to go easy on me?

00:23:56.580 I was going to say he didn't ask anyone to go easy on you.

00:23:59.060 It's sort of normal that you defamed Tommy in your mainstream coverage.

00:24:01.580 Or didn't pick up on any of the lies they told either, the way they twisted stories.

00:24:04.940 Yeah.

00:24:05.080 But, yeah, I'm grateful for everyone who supported me.

00:24:07.460 I'm grateful for Elon Musk for giving me the opportunity to have my King's Council in there.

00:24:12.720 So, Carson Kaye, my solicitor firm, and the King's Council, Alistair Williamson, was unbelievable.

00:24:18.300 He absolutely tore those three police officers a new arse up.

00:24:23.480 Excellent.

00:24:24.380 And will you be having dinner with the BBC journalists in the distant future?

00:24:28.980 I'll be finding them once I'm cleared on the 4th of November.

00:24:33.820 Excellent.

00:24:34.400 Tommy, as normal, thank you very much.

00:24:36.200 Thank you.

00:24:36.540 People around the world, around the country, live.

00:24:39.540 Oh, hi there.

00:24:43.700 Ezra Levant here again.

00:24:45.040 The court is over.

00:24:46.300 It's now almost 2 p.m.

00:24:47.900 The judge has reserved his decision.

00:24:50.520 He will announce it on November 4th, a date chosen to accommodate Tommy Robinson's trip tomorrow

00:24:56.660 to Israel, where he's on a state visit.

00:24:59.760 I was a little bit worried that Tommy was going to be, A, convicted and B, jailed right away

00:25:04.080 as some sort of diplomatic jibe against Israel.

00:25:08.240 The Israeli government inviting Tommy Robinson as a guest of the government

00:25:11.640 didn't sit well with Keir Starmer, who's been very pro-Hamas these past few years.

00:25:17.320 Anyways, none of that drama happened.

00:25:19.360 The verdict will be out on November 4th.

00:25:21.360 Today, I sat in the main through closing arguments, final submissions by the two lawyers.

00:25:28.000 What's interesting about Joe Morris, the prosecutor, is that she claimed that the reason

00:25:32.860 it was reasonable to arrest Tommy under the terrorist act, and the reason he should be

00:25:36.960 convicted of not giving his phone password, is because they were proving or trying to prove

00:25:43.840 he had connections to terrorists and to bad people.

00:25:47.100 But Alistair Williamson, King's counsel, Tommy's barrister, pointed out that's the first time

00:25:53.860 that argument was brought up.

00:25:54.880 There was no evidence whatsoever that when the police stopped Tommy, they were asking

00:25:58.480 about his associations or connections to anyone terrorist-y.

00:26:02.880 In fact, what was clear is that the cops who stopped Tommy didn't ask him a single question

00:26:08.240 about terrorism.

00:26:09.820 They only asked him about his politics, about news, about things that you could Google.

00:26:15.180 And that is not enough under the law to stop someone using the Mighty Terrorism Act, which

00:26:21.620 lets you arrest someone for any reason or no reason for six hours, interrogate them, and

00:26:26.880 they don't have the right to remain silent.

00:26:29.480 When I say arrest them for any reason or no reason, that's actually not quite true.

00:26:33.740 You can stop them and get enough information that if there is cause to believe that they're

00:26:39.600 up to some terrorist activity, you can then detain them further and ask them further questions.

00:26:43.360 So let me be less casual about my phrasing there.

00:26:47.260 But Alistair Williamson proved that the cops did not do that.

00:26:51.200 They made the decision to interrogate him after precisely 34 seconds.

00:26:55.460 That was shown by the closed-circuit surveillance cameras.

00:26:59.280 And the only questions that they asked before deciding he was a terrorist threat was, where

00:27:03.680 are you going and whose car is this?

00:27:05.880 Both questions which Tommy answered.

00:27:07.480 So there was nothing whatsoever to suggest that Tommy was or is a terrorist.

00:27:12.640 And they made Tommy wait for 40 minutes and then for 90 minutes while they desperately called

00:27:17.680 around the UK to other police, to MI5, etc., trying to come up with something to pin on Tommy.

00:27:23.880 And no one had anything.

00:27:25.020 Even the old English Defense League, which was shut down 10 years ago, which one of the cops

00:27:29.420 mentioned, it wasn't a terrorist group.

00:27:31.540 It wasn't an extremist group.

00:27:33.280 It had spicy politics, to be sure.

00:27:35.820 But it wasn't terrorists or extremists.

00:27:37.980 And it was gone 10 years ago.

00:27:39.780 So it was so desperate.

00:27:41.620 And time after time, when the police were asked, well, what questions did you ask Tommy?

00:27:45.660 Or I don't remember.

00:27:47.020 I don't remember.

00:27:47.580 I don't recall.

00:27:48.640 Sort of gross.

00:27:49.640 And sort of proves the whole thing was a political stitch-up.

00:27:52.440 Anyways, I think Tommy will be acquitted.

00:27:54.980 And I don't know if that's hoping too much.

00:27:56.820 Because Tommy is an enemy of the state.

00:27:58.740 And he's treated that way.

00:27:59.600 One more personal note.

00:28:02.280 As I mentioned earlier, the judge yesterday asked me to stop live tweeting.

00:28:07.660 Because he said I wasn't credentialed in the UK.

00:28:10.520 I said I was credentialed in Canada, but I didn't have the paperwork on me to prove it.

00:28:14.760 So I stopped my tweeting in the early afternoon.

00:28:17.840 Which is too bad, because I had 8.5 million impressions and views on my tweets.

00:28:23.220 That's a lot of people preferring my version to the BBC version.

00:28:26.900 And the judge did this because the British Broadcasting Corporation, Keir Starmer's state broadcaster, was complaining about me.

00:28:35.080 Like, what a weird little snitchy thing to do.

00:28:37.740 Anyhow, this morning, first thing, 10 a.m., I presented actually a written letter from the Independent Press Gallery of Canada showing my credentials.

00:28:44.820 And the judge accepted it.

00:28:45.780 And he let me sit with the mean girls in the courtroom itself rather than in the public gallery.

00:28:51.340 So I could hear better, which was good.

00:28:53.580 But then when the judge left the room, some of the clerks said I had to go.

00:28:57.080 I couldn't stay with the mean girls. 0.99

00:28:59.660 It would be like in high school, being told you can't sit with the mean girls anymore.

00:29:05.140 You have to go sit with the uncool kids or something.

00:29:07.500 It was very high school.

00:29:08.560 And I said, no, I'm not leaving.

00:29:09.840 The judge already ruled that I can sit in the court with the other accredited journalists.

00:29:15.160 But then the clerks actually sicced the security guards on me.

00:29:19.840 And I thought, well, this is going in the wrong direction quickly.

00:29:22.200 I don't need to be arrested by some mall cop.

00:29:26.740 I'll just move literally three feet further back behind the glass wall in the public gallery.

00:29:32.420 But it shows just how authoritarian, how entitled, and how, I don't know, completely not caring the system is about freedom of speech.

00:29:46.420 I literally had just been accredited by the judge.

00:29:49.700 But the busy body clerks said, no, you cannot sit with the other journalists.

00:29:55.160 I mean, it was so childish.

00:29:56.280 It made no difference other than it was sort of a symbolic humiliation.

00:30:00.660 But I think we'll get the last laugh.

00:30:02.180 I'm really encouraged by how things are going in the world of citizen journalism in the UK.

00:30:06.620 There's more citizen journalists than ever.

00:30:09.220 These things used to be just me and maybe two or three other independent journalists.

00:30:13.220 Now there's like 20 or 30.

00:30:15.300 And you can't put that genie back in the bottle.

00:30:17.480 And sure, they can be mean and say you can't sit here and you can't type that.

00:30:22.520 But, I mean, to use another metaphor, I mean, the horse has left the barn.

00:30:26.340 You can close the gate now.

00:30:27.620 It's too late.

00:30:28.580 I think that the British courts have to update their media policy because most journalism these days is on social media.

00:30:35.620 No one's reading the Guardian newspaper.

00:30:39.000 I suppose some people do.

00:30:40.260 It's still around.

00:30:40.940 But, anyway, I hope that the courts modernize because not only are they shutting out a new kind of journalism, it's actually a proxy for ideology.

00:30:50.360 Regime journalists who are allowed are typically left-wing.

00:30:54.020 Insurgent journalists who are individuals or upstarts are typically more freedom-oriented, in this case more Tommy Robinson-oriented.

00:31:01.380 So it is a kind of censorship by content.

00:31:04.940 Anyways, I'm going to make my way back to the airport now.

00:31:07.660 I'm heading back to Canada.

00:31:08.860 I've had so little sleep in the past two days, maybe four hours.

00:31:12.680 I'm so jet-lagged.

00:31:13.800 I hope I sleep on the plane.

00:31:15.920 By the way, if you're in a position to help me cover my airfare, I'd be really grateful.

00:31:20.140 I fly over here every time Tommy has a trial.

00:31:23.100 I stayed next door at the Premier Inn, which is a super affordable hotel.

00:31:27.220 It's actually right next to the courtroom.

00:31:28.320 It's actually really nice.

00:31:29.660 If you could help me cover the cost, I'd be grateful to you.

00:31:32.720 As you know, I don't take any government money.

00:31:34.700 Revoluce does not.

00:31:35.880 We crowdfund everything because how else could we be free to tell you the truth if we were taking government money?

00:31:40.920 And I think that's one of the reasons why the regime journalists hate us.

00:31:43.880 One last thing.

00:31:44.660 I'm going to point to my ribbon.

00:31:46.140 That's my ribbon awarded to me the Queen's Jubilee Medal about a dozen years ago,

00:31:50.680 given to me by the Lieutenant Governor of Alberta for advancing freedom of expression.

00:31:56.340 Today is the first day I've ever worn my medal.

00:31:58.500 I've never worn it before.

00:31:59.860 I just thought it was a little bit too much for me to wear.

00:32:03.160 It's not really my style.

00:32:04.180 But given that I was sort of in the middle of a battle for free speech, I wore it today.

00:32:09.500 And it feels good.

00:32:11.540 It feels like the late Queen is on my side.

00:32:16.100 Anyways, go to TommyTrial.com if you can chip in to help cover the cost of me being here.

00:32:22.640 I'm going to come back on November 4th.

00:32:24.140 I'm tired already thinking about the flight.

00:32:26.560 But if you can help me out, go to TommyTrial.com.

00:32:29.520 Thanks for your help, everybody.

00:32:30.580 Bye-bye.

Rebel News Podcast - October 14, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Ezra nearly dragged from London court in Tommy trial chaos

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