Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Ezra talks Gaza, antisemitism with Infowars

00:00:00.000 Tonight, I'm back from Texas where I was talking about Jews all day.

00:00:04.160 I'll give you an update. It's October 1st, and this is the Ezra LeMant Show.

00:00:10.200 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:00:21.900 Well, it's actually the Jewish high holiday season. There was Jewish New Year, now Yom Kippur,

00:00:27.160 which is the Day of Atonement, really the most serious day on the annual calendar for Jews.

00:00:33.200 And I think that things for Jews in the West are taking a turn for the worst.

00:00:38.780 I mean, I grew up in Western Canada. I was born and raised in Calgary. I actually went to Jewish

00:00:43.620 school until grade six, and then I went to school in the country where my sister and I were the only

00:00:48.180 Jews at the school. And far from being marginalized or discriminated against, we were treated

00:00:56.220 wonderfully, perfectly. If it ever came up, it was out of curiosity and friendship that people

00:01:02.240 would ask. And I lived my entire life in a charmed way. And I was in right-wing politics. I was involved

00:01:09.300 with the Reform Party in very early days. I traveled all around Alberta. I mean, I went to almost every

00:01:15.120 city in town when I was campaigning for Preston Manning, not just for the National Party, but you

00:01:20.220 may recall that the Reform Party of Alberta was the name of the political movement that ran a Senate

00:01:25.820 candidate. And that was my job. So, I was in so many nooks and crannies and never once had a problem.

00:01:31.240 I went to university. And back then, the number of international students was quite small.

00:01:37.300 So, there really wasn't anti-Semitism on campus. And it certainly wouldn't have been popular or tolerated

00:01:43.840 by the mass of people there. Alas, times have changed. Wokeness has come in hard in many institutions

00:01:51.120 like universities, where white professors now have this oppression matrix. And if you are white,

00:01:58.800 or you're an oppressor, if you are minority, you're oppressed, even if that doesn't fit your

00:02:04.320 circumstance. And Jews are now the new oppressor group, even though a lot of Jews, by the way, are

00:02:09.440 visible minorities, Sephardi Jews, Black Jews, and Palestinians are the underdogs. So, in the Marxist

00:02:16.440 dialectic, that's how that goes. So, I'm afraid that there's anti-Semitism in places where there

00:02:23.120 never was, including through the mass immigration from places in the world where anti-Semitism is

00:02:28.300 endemic. It's sort of crazy how anti-Semitic places like Pakistan and Bangladesh and Somalia and Syria are,

00:02:34.960 given that there's no Jews there. But that makes it better, not worse, for someone who

00:02:41.840 needs a scapegoat. I mean, isn't it crazy? You'd be in Pakistan. I doubt there's a single Jew living

00:02:47.240 in Pakistan. But you can blame the Jews for Pakistan's problems. That was how they did it in

00:02:53.780 the book 1984 by George Orwell. The eternal scapegoat was this guy named Emmanuel Goldstein,

00:02:59.760 who, whatever went wrong, Emmanuel Goldstein was to blame. Anyways, my point is that there

00:03:05.720 was no anti-Semitism in Canada when I grew up. And that started to change slowly with the woke

00:03:12.260 intellectual movement and with mass immigration from anti-Semitic countries. But in the last six

00:03:17.860 months, I think, it has broken into my turf, namely national populist conservatives in Canada

00:03:24.380 and even more so in the States. And I find it deeply troubling. I mean, that is my place. I have

00:03:29.960 always been a conservative, an activist, a populist, a freedom fighter, a dissenter. And now I'm hearing

00:03:35.860 such crazy anti-Semitic things from actually in from some people who just a few years ago were

00:03:43.220 completely uninfected by the mania of anti-Semitism. I don't quite fully understand it. And I can't describe

00:03:50.560 all of it to just Qatar paying influencers. There's some of that. But I have all these

00:03:59.000 friendships. And I see the turning. And I don't think it's consistent with the philosophy of the

00:04:05.380 right. So as you know, yesterday, I was on Alex Jones's popular show on Infowars. And we talked

00:04:11.020 about it for a while. And you saw some of the clips that from my appearance, it was a little hard

00:04:15.760 because Alex interrupted his show. He has the right to do that. And it took me a while to get

00:04:20.500 going. But I thought it was still a useful conversation. I don't know if you know this.

00:04:24.340 After I did an hour or so on Alex Jones's show, I went on the following show. Alex Jones is not the

00:04:31.180 only show on Infowars. And Harrison Smith had a show. And he had me on for almost two hours.

00:04:36.900 And actually, in a way, I think that was a smoother conversation. It was more a conversation

00:04:42.280 between me and Harrison. We did take a few calls. And that's what I'd like to show you today.

00:04:46.700 And I was glad to go down there. And as I said to both Alex Jones and Harrison,

00:04:52.360 I'm not going to turn people's mind around on Israel or on the Jews. But if I can impart a few

00:04:58.680 ideas to invite people to stay true to their own ideals, then it was worth doing. So my first point

00:05:03.420 is I wouldn't waste time talking to people who are absolutely unchangeable, fanatic anti-Semites.

00:05:10.560 And I hate to say it. I think Candace Owens is one of those. Like, there's no point talking to

00:05:15.580 someone who you can never move and never reach. As Churchill said, a fanatic is someone who can't

00:05:20.760 change their mind and won't change the subject. What's the point in debating someone like that?

00:05:25.960 But if you go to someone who's a truth seeker and maybe has some difference of opinion with you,

00:05:31.600 that's someone you can reason with. And I know that Alex Jones is definitely a truth seeker.

00:05:37.020 And so are his viewers. So the point I was trying to make to them, as you saw in my comments

00:05:42.440 yesterday, was don't judge all Jews as a collective, like there's some Borg or something,

00:05:48.420 like it's a hive mind. There are Jews across the whole spectrum. I'm on the nationalist populist

00:05:53.640 right and I have been my whole life. Think of Stephen Miller, the outstanding deputy chief of staff

00:06:00.840 at the White House. Think of, just like you wouldn't say all Blacks are liberal. The preponderance

00:06:07.640 of them are, but never forget about outstanding people like, you know, Clarence Thomas being an

00:06:13.740 obvious one. And so that's my first argument is don't say all Jews. Oh, something, a Jew did

00:06:21.040 something wrong. Therefore, it was a Jewish act and all Jews are culpable. That's not conservative

00:06:26.280 thinking. That's collectivist thinking. And it destroys the individual. I know who I am and I

00:06:33.320 know what I've stood for and fought for, for really more than 30 years. My whole life, even when I was a

00:06:38.340 teenager, I was fighting for these ideas. And for people to lump me in, in some collective and say

00:06:43.720 that I believe things and stand for things that I don't, I think that's what has caused me to act.

00:06:48.200 The second thing is don't give in to the excusology that everything in your life that's gone wrong is

00:06:56.740 because of the Jews. Like it's like some cosmic force. And that's why George Orwell used that so cleverly

00:07:03.400 in 1984, that whenever there was a problem, whenever they had to blame some external force, it was Emmanuel

00:07:09.820 Goldstein again. There's that Goldstein. He's the guy who sabotaged the factory. He's the guy who, you know,

00:07:16.200 it's just too easy. And that denies taking accountability and responsibility and agency

00:07:21.740 in your own life. And again, that's not a conservative thing. And I'm worried that it's

00:07:26.060 just too tempting and too easy. And there's a mania. I think it's a mania and I hope it'll cool

00:07:31.840 off. I saw that Israel and I don't know, a dozen Arab and Muslim countries have signed on to Trump's

00:07:39.680 proposed peace plan in Gaza. And even Qatar, which is a terrible country, by the way, they've sponsored

00:07:46.800 terrorism. They house Hamas. Even they have signed on to it. So in a way, Trump is leaning on Qatar

00:07:56.600 to get Hamas to go along with this peace process. And if it happens, and I'm a skeptic because,

00:08:03.160 you know, will Hamas ever agree to stop fighting Israel? No. I mean, it would be like, can you put

00:08:12.980 out a fire 80%? Yeah, no, you got to put out a fire 100% or it starts to burn again. So will Hamas

00:08:19.840 ever give up? Will fire ever stop wanting to burn? I don't think so. But if it happens,

00:08:26.980 if the war in Gaza ends, if the reconstruction of that city begins, if it does, becomes normalized

00:08:36.160 and demilitarized, you could have a new golden age in that region. And with so many countries

00:08:42.160 signing on to it, and with the defenestration of Hezbollah and Iran, and like, I think there's a

00:08:49.520 possibility, maybe a once in a millennium possibility to find some sort of peace in the region.

00:08:54.180 Maybe one of the fuel sources that's burning this anti-Semitism will fade. Anyways, these

00:09:01.920 are some of my thoughts. I actually, you know, for those of you who've been following me for

00:09:06.360 a while, I really didn't talk about Jews and Jewish stuff a lot until October 7th, when

00:09:13.480 I think it started so many policy conversations and not just about Israel and the Middle East,

00:09:19.760 but here at home. I mean, I, my entire life, as I said, as I reintroduced myself to viewers

00:09:26.900 on Infowars, it's fighting the globalists at Davos and the World Economic Forum. It's standing

00:09:31.740 by the truckers. It's fighting for Christian churches. Actually, it's a major project we

00:09:36.960 have right now. We're fighting for 30 different Amish farms, as you probably know. Standing up

00:09:43.380 against the global warming scam. You know, there's so, you know, we fought against the COVID madness.

00:09:49.780 That's what Rebel News is. That's what I am. That's who I am. And even on the Jewish Christian

00:09:54.280 thing, I think that Rebel News has done maybe more than any other news source other than

00:10:00.940 officially Christian news sources. We cover Christian issues all the time, and we hate anti-Christian

00:10:07.380 bigotry. We crowdfund for Christian pastors, whether it was Pastor Arthur or Pastor Coates

00:10:12.380 or half a dozen others across the country. So, I don't know. I feel like there's a madness

00:10:19.180 in the online right, and it's tough to tell people, hey, just don't go mad, or hey, calm

00:10:24.060 down, or hey, let me talk you out of a mania. I don't know if you can, but I know this. There's

00:10:30.360 no point talking to a Candace Owens, but there is a point in talking to people who, of good faith,

00:10:36.740 and jumping on them and attacking them and insulting them won't work. That's one of the

00:10:41.920 ways we got into this pickle. And so, I just thought I would tell you that. And for the rest

00:10:46.740 of today's show, I'd like to show you the second conversation I had at Infowars, which was with

00:10:51.260 Harrison Smith. I'm scheduled to do a debate in a week's time with Owen Schroyer, and I might do the

00:10:57.420 odd one here or there also. I'm going to try not to travel so much for those purposes.

00:11:02.700 But for certain debates, I will travel. And again, I'm only going to go to debates where I think that

00:11:08.260 people have an open mind, and that if I appeal to some reason, or give them some arguments,

00:11:14.420 that they would be open to them. And I don't know. I'd be very curious to hear what you have to say.

00:11:19.420 Do you think that what I did on Alex Jones's show, or what I'm about to show you from the show

00:11:25.080 immediately after it? Do you think it was useful? Do you think it was persuasive? Do you think I

00:11:32.100 helped the conversation? Please do let me know in the letters, and I'll share your responses with

00:11:38.660 others. I will be away tomorrow for family reasons, but David Benzies will be hosting the show then.

00:11:44.940 I'll be back on Friday. Thanks for your support, and do let me know what you think.

00:11:50.040 Here's excerpts from my appearance. There's a long appearance. We're not going to show you the

00:11:53.420 entire thing, but here's some good parts. I want to tell you something I did when I was

00:11:56.900 a teenager. I actually attended one APAC meeting. I think I was 17. And so I think I know exactly

00:12:02.920 what Thomas Massey's talking about. Can I tell you a little bit about my one visit to an APAC

00:12:07.360 conference? Sure. So I was a teenager, and I came to Washington. I was very excited. I was a Canadian,

00:12:13.360 so I don't know what I was doing. But I was assigned, because I was from Calgary, I was assigned to

00:12:17.660 the group from, I think it was Oregon. So basically, you had a couple thousand Jews coming to Washington

00:12:22.480 to learn about Israel issues. And then they had a lobby day where everyone was directed to the

00:12:30.180 congressman or senator in their region. So if you have 2,000 Jews from across America, okay,

00:12:36.020 you 10 go to this congressman, you go to that one. And one of those people would be, they wouldn't use

00:12:41.080 the word handler. That word is chosen because it sounds like you're a paid minder. There was someone

00:12:47.800 who would sort of volunteer, but yeah, I'll be the contact. I'll be the one who reminds our

00:12:52.560 congressman that in his district, there's 1,000 Jews. Or to remind him that in his district,

00:12:57.900 people care this way. That's what Massey means by a handler. So it's not a Mossad foreigner.

00:13:03.400 No, I know. It's an American citizen, yeah.

00:13:06.960 And my memory, it's now 38 years ago, when I went as a teenager, and I remember I was with the Oregon

00:13:13.560 delegation for some reason. It was like a mom or a dad who, they were really excited and a little

00:13:21.340 nervous, and they sort of agreed that once in a while they would send an email. And that's what

00:13:25.840 a handler is. The way Massey talks about it, it's like some Mossad spy.

00:13:30.320 Well, but it's also the way AIPAC talks about it. AIPAC will put up a thing going,

00:13:34.360 99% of our candidates got elected.

00:13:37.060 And why would they say that? Now, they could say that because it's true,

00:13:39.360 or they could say that because they're in the fundraising business. And if they look weak or

00:13:43.220 powerless, who's going to give to them? And so, and one of the things-

00:13:45.380 Well, but it's not, but it is real, right? I mean, they should-

00:13:47.980 Would Ted Cruz be reelected without AIPAC money?

00:13:51.360 I don't know.

00:13:52.040 You don't know?

00:13:52.840 I don't know.

00:13:53.300 You think that Ted Cruz is so on the edge that if it weren't for AIPAC, he wouldn't win?

00:13:57.700 I think he barely squeaked by last time.

00:13:59.620 I put it to you that AIPAC, like every other fundraising organization,

00:14:03.820 is a specialist at asking for money and sounding like a pufferfish, bigger than they are.

00:14:08.140 And I'm not denying that AIPAC is powerful, but I would also put to you that every other

00:14:13.440 country in the world does this too, including in recent years, Qatar.

00:14:18.260 Well, yeah. I mean, I'm sure other, they also have to register for FARA, which AIPAC doesn't

00:14:23.880 register for.

00:14:24.220 AIPAC are American.

00:14:25.280 Right. Well-

00:14:26.340 I was with a bunch of moms and dads.

00:14:28.700 Yeah. No, I get that. But again, it's the fact that like, okay, we have fought like hell.

00:14:35.140 We got Trump elected. And then it feels like so much of the effort and the energy and the

00:14:39.460 resources of Trump's second administration have gone towards Israel centric topics. I mean,

00:14:45.780 it has, I mean, you know, yes, they're deporting people, but then you've got this hyper focus on

00:14:50.400 we're going to, you know, we're going to go through people's social media. And if they're

00:14:53.720 anti-Israel, they aren't going to, you know, get into the country. It's like, that's not for us.

00:14:58.100 Let's pause for a second.

00:14:58.920 Yeah.

00:14:59.960 Have you, have you actually changed the test, the litmus test there? Anti-Israel. Is that

00:15:05.400 really the test or is it pro-Hamas? Because they're different things.

00:15:10.520 Are they?

00:15:11.440 Oh my God, they are.

00:15:12.680 Epsi never said, I'm a Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew.

00:15:15.320 Right.

00:15:15.560 What I'm doing is Jewy, Jewy, Jewy. He never does that.

00:15:17.500 Well, that's, well, that's where it intersects with Israel being a foreign state with its own

00:15:21.500 intelligence operations that, you know, is, is obviously considers itself a Jewish state.

00:15:26.720 And actually, I think that again, when it gets to sort of the, the frustrations that we're seeing

00:15:30.540 sort of bubble over on the internet right now, I think a lot of it has to do with sort of

00:15:33.840 inconsistency or hypocrisies that we see, not even from Jewish people, but from people from right

00:15:39.140 wingers, you know, in, in Congress, it's almost like Israel gives them this license to be hardcore

00:15:45.480 about something, but they'll never do it for Americans. Right. When it comes to Israel, it's like

00:15:50.400 where you're just going to go kill everybody. And we're getting, you know, I'm talking about

00:15:53.920 Lindsey Graham or Ted Cruz. It's like something about Israel gives them the license to go hardcore

00:15:58.860 and, and almost be, you know, support an ethno state support identity where everywhere else and

00:16:04.240 everywhere else it's, it's interacted. It's, Oh, well, we can't do that. And well, let's,

00:16:08.120 let's walk carefully here. It's like, well, they never feel that way with Israel. So there's a,

00:16:11.940 there's an inconsistency there that again, I think, I think grates on people. It grates on me

00:16:16.280 because I see so much being done for Israel by our federal government that they will never do for

00:16:21.960 us. So there's, I want to, you know what I mean? I don't know what you mean. So I'd like you to

00:16:25.620 unpack that last sentence. I will. I see so many things that our government is doing for Israel.

00:16:30.340 Yeah. Give me a list of three. Well, okay. So one primary example would be like the university

00:16:36.740 presidents being pressured and, and some of them being fired. I think is that Israel that's doing

00:16:41.740 that? Well, yeah, well, it's, it's, it's because they wouldn't crack down on anti-Israel protests

00:16:46.820 on their campuses. Okay. So university presidents and what's number two? The TikTok ban would be

00:16:51.720 another one. I think, I don't think. What's the TikTok ban? I think TikTok was banned because there

00:16:57.180 was a lot of anti-Israel content going out and they now have a IDF soldiers sort of overseeing them.

00:17:03.280 And, you know, as, as Alex was talking about the BB Netanyahu thing, calling it an eighth front.

00:17:08.520 Okay. What's the third thing? A third thing would be like protecting,

00:17:11.600 uh, our border versus, you know, sending weapons to Israel and how, you know, willing we are. Like

00:17:17.160 you'll have the same people in our, uh, in our government say it's immoral to close the border.

00:17:22.300 We have to allow people in, but they're, you know, hardcore about, uh, you know, Israel's border.

00:17:26.380 I got out a fourth one, which is the $3 billion a year in military aid to Israel.

00:17:30.080 Well, I don't like that, but, but it's more, it's more about, okay, we for a decade have been going,

00:17:34.420 Hey, these universities are teaching anti-white stuff. They've got entire classes called,

00:17:38.820 you know, the problem with whiteness and how to eradicate it. We can never even get a

00:17:43.000 congressman to even acknowledge us, let alone do something. Then when it becomes, Oh, there's

00:17:47.340 anti, you know, there's pro Palestine protest on the campus. Suddenly the federal government is like

00:17:53.000 going to shut the school down if they don't immediately do something. And so again, it's not

00:17:56.820 even, it's like, it's almost like if we were getting everything we want and that was happening,

00:18:00.540 I wouldn't have a problem with it. It's the inconsistency of the federal government when it

00:18:04.220 comes to serving the American people, our hands are tied. Gee, we'd love to, but just, we can't.

00:18:09.700 And then when it comes to something Israel wants, it's like, boom, it's done. Because TikTok is

00:18:13.200 another good example. Trump's first administration, they tried to TikTok ban, didn't go anywhere.

00:18:17.340 It didn't even, I don't even think it went to a vote. Nothing happened. Then you've got Nikki

00:18:21.080 Haley going up and saying every 15 minutes you spend on TikTok, you're 30% more anti-Semitic or

00:18:25.680 whatever it was. And it's like TikTok gets banned two weeks later. So again, it's, it's not even

00:18:30.260 necessarily the things that are happening. It's the discrepancy between the speed and power with

00:18:34.820 which the federal government will move when it comes to Israel's benefit, you know, something

00:18:38.380 that benefits Israel. But when it comes to Americans, we cannot get any benefits out of

00:18:42.540 our government. Sure. I've got thoughts on all four of those, if I may.

00:18:45.580 Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the War Room. I'm your host, Harrison Smith,

00:19:02.540 joined in studio by Ezra Levant. And I just realized I don't, I don't have a sheet for you

00:19:07.940 to tell everybody where to go, but obviously Rebel News is, is your outfit there in Canada

00:19:12.540 doing amazing work. And how else can people find you? Well, that's the main way, rebel

00:19:17.240 news.com. I'm on X at simply my name, which is Ezra Levant. And we're always doing news

00:19:23.720 that I think is a sort of a general thematic fit with War Room. I mean, today we had a

00:19:28.400 big story, very exciting that we think we've discovered an Antifa cell working out of a

00:19:33.520 military base in Montreal, Quebec, which is crazy. You guys have gone ahead and banned it

00:19:37.380 as a terrorist group. They seem to be operating in a military base in Canada. Isn't that nuts?

00:19:41.600 I saw that. I was actually, it was funny. I was looking at that story when I learned that

00:19:45.020 you were in town today. So I was like, oh, great. This is a, you know, and I actually,

00:19:48.300 I got a whole Canada stack here. I don't know what the heck's going on in Canada. They're

00:19:52.340 killing ostriches. They're taking the guns. You're all being replaced by Indians. It's

00:19:56.780 like, what is happening up there?

00:19:58.520 Well, we've covered that ostrich story like crazy. And at first you're thinking ostriches,

00:20:02.340 what, like, who cares? That's how's that even news? But I think it's a real echo of COVID

00:20:07.140 authoritarianism. And I think people, there's 400 birds at that ostrich farm and they're

00:20:12.580 big birds. Like it, and the idea they're going to kill every single one of them because 250

00:20:18.000 days ago, some of them got sick and then got better. Now they've got all herd immunity.

00:20:21.960 I think people see a lot of things in there and they, they say, okay, this is just like

00:20:27.060 the COVID authoritarians having arbitrary rules that make no sense. They brook no dissent

00:20:33.660 and that are extreme. Yep. And there's just so many and, and junk science and, and no room

00:20:42.200 for dissent and police. Now the RCMP, that's our FBI coming in because the Canadian food inspection

00:20:47.900 agency is coming to kill these 400 birds, but they'd be roughed up by the locals. So now you got

00:20:54.120 this huge team of actual cops that are protecting the food inspection cops. Like it's, it's become a

00:21:03.440 whole thing. Someone's used the word ostrich Waco, God forbid, but it is crazy out there.

00:21:09.100 And you know, I mean, ostriches are not the most lovable animal. I mean, they're, they're ugly,

00:21:13.700 they're mean, but they, I think even despite that people say, don't kill those birds. There's a,

00:21:20.460 there's a, and you know, even RFK juniors weighed in on the junk signs behind it. So ostriches,

00:21:25.660 I know we've got a little website called save the ostriches.com. And it's so hard to get there

00:21:30.580 because it's so in the middle of, you know, the country, you have to drive and take two

00:21:35.460 ferries to get there. Like it's so remote, remote, but we, you know, we've got a Starlink

00:21:40.920 and we've got an RV and we're covering, if you want ostrich news, you come to the right

00:21:44.200 place. I've, I've, you know, I've been seeing it crop up occasionally and I just haven't

00:21:47.960 put the time. I'm just like, there's something going on with the ostriches. I figured they're

00:21:50.780 culling them. I mean, it's, you know, like you said, COVID, but that ties into the, you know,

00:21:54.720 food control system and all that source. Exactly what it is. I just, I just look at Canada and

00:21:59.240 of course I see us 15 years down the line and, uh, and you know, it ties into everything,

00:22:03.180 but you know, you, you wanted to come in and take calls from the audience. And, uh, I think

00:22:08.420 it was your idea to call it ask a Jew or something like that. And obviously this topic just dominates

00:22:12.660 conversation. And in a way I feel like I'm, I'm sort of the perfect person to discuss this

00:22:17.760 because I grew up around Jews and you, and you made this point with Alex, and I think it's

00:22:22.160 a very pertinent one. A lot of people out there literally never met a Jew in their life.

00:22:26.480 All they know is Benjamin Netanyahu on TV or whatever. When you spend time around Jewish

00:22:32.120 people, I've been to more Jewish weddings and birthdays and funerals and everything. And

00:22:37.340 you get an appreciation for their culture and an understanding of like sort of the perspective,

00:22:41.000 uh, that might characterize most Jews. It's a lot harder to characterize all of them as one

00:22:46.740 thing or all of them as, as another, even I, you know, I was on Stu Peter's show and he,

00:22:51.380 and I was saying, well, I grew up around tons of Jews. And he said, they might've seemed nice,

00:22:54.140 but if you had said Jesus Christ in their house, they would have kicked you out. And

00:22:57.680 it's like, dude, half of them are married to Gentiles and celebrate Christmas. What are

00:23:02.000 you talking about? Like, they just don't know what they're talking about.

00:23:04.460 And that's the thing. That's completely not true. I'm Jewish. I was one of four kids. We

00:23:09.120 had big, you know, holiday meals saying Jesus Christ. In fact, the reason we wouldn't say

00:23:15.380 that is we would be worried that if you, if you say Christ as a swear, you would offend

00:23:20.720 the Christians. I was raised not to say that because it was, it could be offensive to take

00:23:26.700 the Christian savior's name in Maine to the ears of Christians. So that's just complete

00:23:32.700 bullshit from Stu Peters who, you know what? I think he has his contrarian hat on and he's

00:23:40.360 turned it to full. And I think he trades in misinformation. And that's what gets me.

00:23:44.280 On the one hand, a lot of Americans only know Jews from the internet. And so they know Rabbi

00:23:50.860 Shmuley, who is a disgrace. I cracked up when you said that on Alex. And of course the censors

00:23:56.640 who are either official Jews, like Jonathan Greenblatt, who's doing it in the name of Jews.

00:24:02.360 And I really resent that because it's not in my name or who are not doing it in the name of Jews,

00:24:07.020 but just happen to be Jewish. And that bugs me too. Why does he have to be a Jewish censor?

00:24:10.420 I mean, obviously there are non-Jewish censors too, but it sort of sticks when it's a Jew.

00:24:15.900 And I don't know. I just, I think that I see so many, but here's the, there's people of good

00:24:22.580 faith who have questions about tiny things. Like you just raised a tiny thing. Can you say the word

00:24:29.820 Jesus Christ in a Jewish home? And Stu Peters says, you'll get kicked. That's complete bullshit.

00:24:34.720 Well, but it, but you know, it is true for some, right? I mean, and this is, this is my,

00:24:39.080 this has always been my thing is when you know a lot of Jews, it's like, okay, some of them are

00:24:42.760 sort of just Jewish in name and really don't give a damn. And then you have sort of Jewish extremists

00:24:46.680 that are driven by a different, you know, religious understanding or whatever.

00:24:51.860 Well, listen, what I want to do, here's what I'd love to do. And listen, it's your show.

00:24:55.560 So, um, but what I was, what I, what we started doing on Alex's show was taking calls and I

00:25:00.480 really, you know, I'd, I'd love to hear what's really on people's minds and I'm going to try

00:25:06.520 and answer them. I'm going to try not to jump on people too hard and I'm going to try and

00:25:10.340 give a real answer. Cause my experience is that if someone has a real question, like how do

00:25:16.020 you know 6 million Jews died? How do you know it wasn't 5 million or, or a 7 million? How

00:25:20.000 do you know? And if you jump on that person and say, you're anti-Semitic, shut up.

00:25:25.560 We're going to suspend you on Twitter or whatever. You haven't answered the question.

00:25:30.400 You've really just made it worse. And you've confirmed, but you have confirmed that this

00:25:33.780 is such a sensitive thing. The truth is being kept. I mean, you know, I was at the 9-11

00:25:40.200 museum in Manhattan. Have you ever, have you ever gone there? I never have actually.

00:25:43.720 Can I really recommend it to you? And it was a very powerful tour and the tour guide was a

00:25:49.440 local, it was, I mean, he works there, but it felt like he was more a neighborhood guy.

00:25:53.220 Like it was, I learned so much. And then he opened it up for questions. Well, what kind

00:25:58.060 of questions do you think there were? Every theory, every alternative theory, every critical

00:26:04.340 theory, including some zany theories. And I thought, Oh, well, you think that's his first

00:26:11.040 time hearing those? He hears those every day. And, and he was asked about steel and can jet

00:26:16.920 fuel. That's the one that was asked when I was there. And he gave an answer so calmly.

00:26:21.240 And in my mind, so persuasively. And I thought, Holy smokes, had he been sensitive and said,

00:26:28.760 how dare you? Not only would it have not educated the woman, and I don't know if she took his

00:26:33.740 answer at face value. I was pretty persuaded by it, but he would have given her, because

00:26:40.000 having secret knowledge is one of the delights of a conspiracy theory. I know something that

00:26:45.700 you don't know and that you're not allowed to know. I'm part of an elite priesthood that

00:26:50.060 knows what's really going on. That's one of the allures of any conspiracy theory is

00:26:54.220 that you have special knowledge. And I feel it too. I feel like sometimes when we have

00:26:58.080 a revelation on something and you, Hey, everybody, you're all doing it wrong. I got the secret

00:27:02.840 truth. And you know, once in a while, I suppose that's true. But with, with Jews and Israel,

00:27:07.880 there's so many rumors out there, such BS. I think the right approach is to do your best

00:27:14.000 to answer it. Sometimes the answers aren't great answers. Like if you're asking me to

00:27:19.740 defend the actions of 15 or 20 million people, how could I over the course of thousands of

00:27:26.020 years? Well, of course, over the course of thousands of years, some atrocious things were

00:27:30.260 done by every culture, by every religion. And how about this quirk in this? How about this

00:27:34.420 Talmud section that says that? Well, you know what? Do you ever look at other religious practices

00:27:40.220 from Islam to Jehovah's witnesses to more? Like if, if the game we're playing is find something

00:27:46.040 weird in the religious practices of different religion, you'll be busy. So there's, I cannot

00:27:52.760 defend every Jew in history and every Jew in the world. But what I can do is appeal to the,

00:27:59.800 to the good faith of Infowars users and say, don't buy into collective guilt. If a Jew did something,

00:28:08.960 it must've been the Jews who did it. And I, and I always say, think of Stephen Miller

00:28:15.100 in your mind. Think of the greatest staffer in the white house. Is he not a model American? And is

00:28:21.800 he not doing more than most cabinet ministers to make America great again? And I say this as a

00:28:26.400 Canadian, but boy, I'm jealous of that. So don't say the Jews. If there's someone like we were just

00:28:32.760 looking at the news today about that, uh, that financier friend, Howard, whatever. Yeah.

00:28:37.600 Yeah. Who was, uh, charged with sex dungeons and stuff. And he sounds like his last name is Jewish,

00:28:43.740 which I hate, but okay. Was it an essentially Jewish thing he did? Was it a religious thing he

00:28:49.480 did? Was it, or did he just happen to be a Jew doing something disgraceful, which embarrasses Jews,

00:28:55.060 I suppose? But was it really a Jewish thing? I mean, there was a caller earlier on Alex's show.

00:29:00.200 What about the facts that these, the Jews by being left-wing earn antisemitism? Wait a second. Is

00:29:07.400 being, was it a Jewish thing or were they just leftists? And, and I, I think that I would hope,

00:29:14.540 and let's get into it. Let's take as many calls as possible. I would hope that your viewers and that

00:29:19.080 Infowar viewers would still believe in treating people as individuals and not saying a Jew did

00:29:25.040 something. So all Jews are culpable. Right. And I would hope that they wouldn't use Jews as a

00:29:32.180 scapegoat for other things in their own life that maybe there's a more painful answer for.

00:29:36.460 Why aren't I getting ahead? Why did something go wrong in my life? Why don't I have the motivation

00:29:41.940 to fix certain things? Why can't I do this or that? The Jews, the Jews, the Jews, the universal

00:29:46.540 absolution for, you don't have to take responsibility for your own lives. It's those

00:29:50.500 Jews who did it. I'd have flat tire today. Oh, those Jews, you know? So my hope is that,

00:29:55.440 you know, Woody Allen apparently told a joke, what's antisemitism? It's disliking Jews more

00:30:00.480 than is absolutely necessary. That's good. I mean, he was, he was a self-deprecating Jew. And

00:30:06.440 there's, I mean, the arguments that the Jews, the Jews used to be so proud of Jewish excellence. How

00:30:12.160 many Jews won a Nobel prize? How many Jews have written books or music?

00:30:16.220 Steven Spielberg. I mean, the Jerry Seinfeld, I mean, how many Jews have done, but that doesn't

00:30:23.140 win arguments now because that just goes to, oh, you see, they control. There's so many Jewish

00:30:27.080 communities, you see, they control Hollywood. There's so many Jews who are, you see, they

00:30:30.280 control, they're powerful. So trying to make an argument that Jews are a net positive, they're

00:30:35.880 positive to the economy, they're positive to science. How many Nobel prize did you, those

00:30:40.240 arguments don't work anymore, do they? Because, oh, you see, right. So they're running

00:30:44.260 the world. You know, telling us you're powerful doesn't convince us you're not powerful. All

00:30:49.520 I would say is don't blame all Jews because someone who may not even regard themselves as

00:30:55.120 Jewish. Like you think, as I said to Alex, you really think Alex Soros?

00:30:59.300 Well, I guess maybe, maybe that would be a good, a good place to start. Cause I think

00:31:02.380 you're right that, you know, a lot of it has to do with the, the way that the questions are

00:31:06.280 just absolutely shut down. And again, that's why I say, I think I'm sort of in a unique

00:31:09.580 position to do this because I, I totally get why people have the questions that they

00:31:14.460 have and why they get mad when they're not answered. So I want to put those to you, you

00:31:18.960 know, at least some of them. And, but again, I don't do it from a place of, of ignorance

00:31:22.600 of Jews or of hatred for Jews, obviously. So, you know, when it comes to, I guess the question

00:31:27.320 is, what is a Jew? That's one thing that like, nobody seems to can, you know, nobody can

00:31:31.020 define. Is it a religion? Is it a race? I mean, how do you define whether somebody is a Jew

00:31:34.720 or not? And I, for me, I just say, well, if they say they are, they are, that's as, as

00:31:38.940 basically as deep as I can get it. Because other than that, it doesn't seem, there doesn't

00:31:42.660 seem like a lot of, uh, strict definitions, you know, and it's actually a very profound

00:31:47.840 question. Yes, because Israel is a country. Their symbol is the star of David. But if you

00:31:55.120 see someone on the street with a star of David in Austin or in New York, they might hate

00:31:58.940 Israel. Well, probably they don't hate Israel, but, but they're not saying I'm Israeli.

00:32:04.160 They're saying I'm Jewish. So you have a religion that is also a state, but, but you

00:32:12.300 can convert to become a Jew. You can convert to the religion, although Jews generally try

00:32:18.680 to dissuade you. I don't know if you know that, but rabbis try to tell you not to do

00:32:22.780 it. No, you don't want to do this. Like they're not evangelists. Right. Um, but it's also

00:32:27.500 inheritable. Right. There's Jews of different races. Believe it or not, there's Ethiopian

00:32:32.980 Jews. Right. Um, if you've ever been to Israel, I think you would be shocked by how multiracial

00:32:37.880 it is. Um, there's a lot of Jews from Arab lands who, after Israel was founded, they were

00:32:44.660 all kicked out and they went to Israel, the one place that would take them. There were,

00:32:49.120 there used to be hundreds of thousands of Jews in Libya, Iraq, um, Syria, Yemen. Right.

00:32:55.940 You know, can you imagine there used to be an enormous number of Jews. They all went to Israel.

00:33:00.380 And so you'd have different colors and different races, I suppose, but they're all Jewish.

00:33:05.100 Then you got the Russian Jews who came, you know, in the last 40 years. So it's a tough one.

00:33:10.580 Is Israel an ethno state? Well, sort of in, in that anyone around the world, there's a law called

00:33:17.420 the law of return. If you're a Jew, you can go to Israel. And that, that's sort of a leftover

00:33:22.580 from when Jews couldn't flee anywhere. Right. And one of the contradictions in antisemitism is

00:33:27.440 Jews get out of Israel. That's Palestinian. Go back to Poland. Jews get out of Europe. Go to

00:33:33.680 where, you know, I, I think there's three ways of determining what is your ethnic homeland.

00:33:40.980 And I spend time in, in wonderful places. And I think about it a lot. Like I think about

00:33:44.820 the word indigenous. We don't use it enough for the indigenous English, the indigenous Irish,

00:33:51.540 but are they not? They've been there for centuries and, and they are rooted to the land.

00:33:56.400 They're ethnicity. And, and you don't want to be racist, but can anyone become Irish? Well,

00:34:02.640 that's a tough question. And maybe it's not my right to answer, but I think that Israel has

00:34:08.020 three things going for it. It's historically, like, you know, if you had thousands of years ago,

00:34:13.400 as told in the Bible, it was historically the indigenous people.

00:34:17.240 They also were granted it in a legalistic situation by the United Nations. And finally,

00:34:23.880 they won it in wars, which is how a lot of countries get their territory. So you could say

00:34:28.480 Israel exists by not one, but three different methods or, or standards, which is probably more

00:34:35.520 than a lot of countries that are divvied up by some decolonialization. Right.

00:34:40.940 Right. Well, go ahead. Well, no, yeah, well, and you're right. And then, and then of course you get

00:34:45.180 into the colonial aspect and the fact that the, the left sees everything in this very simple

00:34:49.320 paradigm of oppressor versus oppressed, white versus brown. It used to root for the Jews. You

00:34:53.620 know, when Israel was founded, it was very socialist. Right. And you know, kibbutzes were actually

00:34:57.720 communes. Right. And they weren't totalitarian, but they were communistic economic projects. And

00:35:03.760 the Soviets voted at the UN to help create Israel. Right. And for the first 20 or so years, America,

00:35:11.800 Israel was not a close ally of America. I mean, it was America that really helped more and more. And

00:35:17.460 it wasn't until the 1967 war that I think Israel really bought strength and was no longer pushed

00:35:24.340 around. And it was sort of a miraculous war. If you, it was called the six day war in 1967,

00:35:28.860 five or six Arab countries were defeated. And that's when the left sort of flipped on Israel.

00:35:34.760 The left liked Jews when they were on their knees bleeding after the Holocaust, there was a lot of

00:35:39.020 sympathy for Jews. But as soon as Jews were the tough guys with a strong army, a lot of the left

00:35:44.840 lost their sympathy. They like underdogs. And suddenly the Jews refused to be underdogs. And I think the

00:35:50.520 strength of the Palestinian movement over the last generation has been, they have managed to convince

00:35:55.620 people. And they would say, honestly, I would, I would be skeptical about that, that Israel is the

00:36:00.240 oppressor and they're the oppressed. And that's what has been Israel's great Achilles heel in this

00:36:06.760 war. Israel dominates in every possible way, other than when you're too strong, you look like a bully.

00:36:13.320 Well, there's that, but then there's also the fact that like right now there's a lot of

00:36:17.680 anti-Semitism rules being passed in America and stuff like that. And a lot of time that's predicated

00:36:21.900 on this sort of assumption that Jews need extra protection and they're in this very sort of

00:36:26.940 fragile state. And so there's a contradiction there of actually the Jews are really strong.

00:36:30.980 We don't need your help, but also if you don't, you know, censor people, then it's going to be

00:36:35.140 dangerous for us. So there's a contradiction there that I think grates on people.

00:36:38.460 You're exactly right. And it's very tough to believe in free speech for people you don't like.

00:36:43.120 That's the toughest thing, isn't it? But freedom of speech is the thing, it's the gift you have to

00:36:47.180 give to your opponents if you want it for yourself. And it's worth it, right? I mean,

00:36:51.300 that's always been my thing is like, yeah, people are going to say offensive things. They might say

00:36:55.200 things that really upset you, but what you get for that in return is the ability to think your

00:36:59.500 own thoughts. Isn't that worth it? A little insulted. You know, I brought something I was

00:37:02.900 going to show Alex, but I forgot about it and I put it in my pocket. Can I show you? Yeah.

00:37:07.640 You know, maybe I shouldn't do this, but I wanted to talk to him about freedom of speech.

00:37:11.240 And I just forgot that I had put this in my pocket. This, I don't know if I, if you can

00:37:16.500 see it, let me hold it up there. It says E2R. That's Elizabeth Regina. That's Queen Elizabeth

00:37:21.800 II. And let me open it. I've never worn this, but this is a medal given to me. It's the Queen's

00:37:28.860 Jubilee Medal for advancing freedom of expression. Oh, that's beautiful. Here, can we put that over

00:37:35.100 here? Yeah. And I've never worn it because it's not a military medal and it feels a little

00:37:39.980 bit like, it's not a stolen vow for me to wear this. I was awarded it, but I would never

00:37:43.740 wear this because I didn't serve in the military. But I think about this and I think that freedom

00:37:50.480 of speech is a core pillar of the West. And when I received this, I was very moved by it

00:37:54.960 and I felt like it affirmed what I was doing. And I got this because, you know, some years

00:38:01.280 ago, I'd say almost 20 years ago now, I republished the Danish cartoons of Mohammed in

00:38:06.220 the magazine I had. And this was 2006 when you were just a tadpole. But I published it.

00:38:11.600 I was driving by then. I was hit with a complaint by something called the Alberta Human Rights

00:38:17.400 Commission. Oh yeah. But it was, it was not a human rights commission. It was a censorship

00:38:21.760 company. We know about that. And, and I was put through this 900 day ordeal because I published

00:38:26.760 cartoons. Right. And I didn't publish them in a way that said, I agree with them. It was like

00:38:32.420 how a prosecutor would put an exhibit to the jury. Here's exhibit A. Here's what we're

00:38:36.660 talking about. It was a magazine. I could show people. If it was radio, I'd have to paint

00:38:40.160 a picture. Yeah. Words. So I showed our people what all the fuss was about. The New York Times

00:38:44.780 didn't. The Wall Street Journal didn't. We were the only paper in Canada that did. And I got

00:38:48.340 hit with this human rights complaint. And I thought, oh, this is a joke. It'll be gone

00:38:51.580 in a second. No. 900 days. Wow. And halfway through, I mean, my legal bill in the end was

00:38:56.900 about a hundred grand, but halfway through the human rights commission said to me, if you give

00:39:02.040 this guy a full page, like it was a Muslim imam from Pakistan who had complained. If you give him

00:39:07.520 a full page in your magazine that you can't edit other than for typos and pay him, I think it was

00:39:12.080 like 8,000 bucks, we'll let you go. Wow. I said, I'd rather shut the whole thing down. And it was

00:39:17.960 quite a thing. And I, this was really, the internet was fairly new back then. This was 20 years ago.

00:39:22.300 Yeah. That's wild. And YouTube had just been invented. PayPal had just been invented. So

00:39:27.440 I was interrogated by this government bureaucrat and I, and we managed to negotiate that we would

00:39:34.300 make a record of the interrogation. We didn't say video camera. So she walks into my lawyer's

00:39:39.560 office and we have a video. I don't know if your friends can Google it really quickly on

00:39:43.360 YouTube, Ezra Levant Human Rights Commission is, I look a lot younger. I had more hair with

00:39:49.360 darker. You might get a kick out of it, but they said to me, why did, why did you publish

00:39:54.740 those Danish cartoons in Muhammad? And I don't want to take up too much time on this, but it's,

00:39:59.120 it's a story that shaped the course of my life. Now I published those cartoons and I probably did

00:40:03.940 a hundred media interviews. And when people said, why did you publish those? I tried to give the

00:40:08.420 most reasonable answer I could. It's a central artifact of the news story. Uh, we live under Queen

00:40:14.520 Elizabeth's laws, not Sharia law. Um, it was the huge subject around the world. There were

00:40:20.180 dozens. Yeah, this is it here. It, look at me, look how young I look. That's Charlene McGovern

00:40:24.980 who was grilling me. Turn up the, the sound if you can.

00:40:29.460 Here, the, the, the crew can, the crew can pull that in and we can play because we're about to go

00:40:32.680 to break in, in a minute. So, so what, so what was your reason at the end of the day for posting it?

00:40:38.120 I just told you the reasons that I gave the public because I'm trying to sound super

00:40:41.440 reasonable and win hearts and minds. But when the government asks you, you can't try and minimize

00:40:46.560 what you did. You can't bargain with the state. And I said, and maybe you guys can find it. I said,

00:40:52.800 I reserve the right to be maximally offensive. I'm not going to try and bargain with you

00:40:57.840 and convince you you are the state. And if you're saying that my freedom turns on my answer,

00:41:03.620 then my only reply is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:41:06.980 Exactly. Well, because they said I, I shouldn't. That's why I, cause I remember that exactly. And I

00:41:11.120 remember at the time going, I don't even want to draw Muhammad, but that guy's telling me he's

00:41:14.660 going to blow me up if I do. So now I have to, cause he's telling me I can't. So I didn't even

00:41:19.180 want to before, but now I do. And again, I think that, that spirit informs a lot of what's going

00:41:23.500 on on the right right now when it comes to Jews, you're saying, I can't say this. I'm going to say

00:41:27.560 it even more. Exactly. And shame on the ADL for creating that. Oh, we'll get into the ADL on the

00:41:32.520 other side. We'll be right back folks. Ezra Levant in studio. Welcome back ladies and gentlemen,

00:41:37.840 this is the war room. I'm your host, Harrison Smith brought to you of course, by the Alex

00:41:41.340 Jones store.com. Go there today, purchase a product. You will not regret it. The products

00:41:46.220 are absolutely amazing and you support incredible content like this. I'm in studio with Ezra

00:41:51.620 Levant, of course, of rebel news, an amazing outlet. Uh, and what we're talking about, we're

00:41:56.660 going to take calls. We're going to go out to calls here momentarily. They're, they're

00:41:59.480 racking them up right now. And we'll go to those, uh, in just a second. I'll sort of writing

00:42:03.180 down notes as you were talking, um, to Alex, because again, you know, I grew up around

00:42:07.900 a lot of Jewish people. I know, I know, I know the extremist Jews. I know the Jews that

00:42:12.640 don't really care that much about it at all. Uh, and what, what's the cliche where they say,

00:42:17.080 you know, uh, two Jews go in a room and three opinions come out, something like that. Like

00:42:22.500 it's a, it's an incredibly intellectually diverse group of people. Uh, but, and people don't really

00:42:28.000 know how to, how to deal with that, especially when you have the likes of Jonathan Greenblatt

00:42:32.540 of the ADL claiming to speak for everybody of the Jewish faith or the Jewish ethnicity

00:42:37.500 or however you want to define it. And I, you know, I always call Jonathan Greenblatt our,

00:42:42.040 our self-appointed Jewish overlord. He decided he's the one that gets to decide what everybody

00:42:46.520 says. And I just try to stay consistent. I wouldn't be okay with Catholics having this

00:42:51.400 amount of power. I wouldn't be okay with Protestants having this amount of power. I'm not okay with

00:42:55.180 Jews having this amount of power. And to me, there's something when you try to, when I try

00:42:59.620 to just have a principled stance that I apply, regardless of the, you know, I don't want a

00:43:04.620 foreign nation involved. If it's Israel great. If it's Mexico great, I don't care. It's a foreign

00:43:08.920 nation. As far as I'm concerned, I feel like that confuses people. People want me to either

00:43:12.940 be anti-Jew or a Mossad agent, and they can't handle that. Like genuinely, I got nothing against

00:43:19.120 Jews, but I see a threat from to my first amendment coming from people who are claiming to

00:43:25.020 act on the behalf of all Jews. I mean, how do you, how do you deal with that? Uh, and, and the power

00:43:31.560 of the ADL or APAC or any of these groups on Alex's show, we ran a video. I don't know if you saw it

00:43:36.560 of, um, every year I go to Davos at the world economic forum, not as an invited guest. They

00:43:43.240 won't let us in. We're on, they try to stop you. Actually, we always report on the way you're

00:43:47.180 getting pulled over. Yeah. It's a, we've tracked down on the streets, Larry Fink of Blackrock,

00:43:52.020 Albert Bourla of Pfizer. So we, we basically are outside and we try and find these oligarchs and

00:43:58.780 scrum them. And once in a while, they actually stop, walk and talk with us, but mostly they just

00:44:04.400 try and hustle out of there. Anyways, um, my colleague, Avi Amini bumped into, yeah, there's,

00:44:10.500 that was a fun one there. That was when Larry Fink was there. He tried to scare us by taking out his

00:44:14.860 cell phone and snapping pictures of our faces. And, uh, we walked with him for a long time.

00:44:21.120 I don't think he had ever been talked back to in his life. I don't, I felt daggers the way he was,

00:44:26.460 uh, looking at us. You, you, you, you pierced the veil, you know, you're not supposed to even be

00:44:31.580 there. Oh, you know what? It's, uh, it was, that was very, my heart was pumping. Um, that's,

00:44:38.520 I mean, I meant, I forgot to mention that, as you know, the, uh, the man who shot Donald Trump's ear

00:44:44.960 was in a BlackRock corporate video. So who knows who I'm dealing with there? Who knows if they've

00:44:51.320 got, anyways. Uh, so that, I mean, that's what we do. But one of the people we bumped into

00:44:56.200 at Davos was Jonathan Greenblatt. My colleague, Avi Amini, who's Jewish like I am, scrummed him.

00:45:03.580 And I don't know if you guys have that video. It's about two minutes and it might be worth watching.

00:45:07.360 Um, do you guys have that video? I, I, I gave it to Daria who used it on the, yeah. And you know

00:45:13.480 what? I could explain what Avi said in five minutes or he can show it himself in two. It's,

00:45:18.160 it's my view. And I'll say it while you guys are loading it up. What bugs me about Jonathan

00:45:22.420 Greenblatt is that he said, I'm the official Jew. I'm doing this on behalf of Jews. What I am doing

00:45:27.720 is Jewish censorship. I'm the boss of the Jews. No one voted me for this position, but I, and I,

00:45:34.400 you used the word, I forget what you said, but I say. Self, self-appointment.

00:45:37.360 Self-appointed Jewish overlord. I use the word official Jews, capital, capital JTM. And I'm

00:45:42.240 thinking, no, no, I'm Jewish too. And you can't do that. And I see through it because I'm Jewish.

00:45:48.240 And I know you don't speak for me. So your, your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me because I see

00:45:53.100 your BS. Right. And what you're actually doing, former senior Obama aid is you are weaponizing

00:45:59.400 the word antisemitism to silence critics of the left. And like a knife that is dulled by overuse,

00:46:08.140 when antisemitism finally does arrive, no one will believe you because you called every conservative

00:46:13.120 anti-Semitic. Here, let's, if you don't mind, I'd love to play the list with volume up.

00:46:17.280 I don't think I've ever, I've ever seen it. It's just two minutes long. It's, it's really worth it. If you

00:46:21.000 guys can play it. We, we always, we always follow your, uh, your reporting at Davos. I definitely

00:46:24.880 remember the Larry Fink one. I don't know if I've ever seen this one. Let's pull this one in.

00:46:28.400 Jonathan, can I ask you something? I'm meeting somebody. I'll walk with you. Are you, are you

00:46:33.040 like that, the boy who cried wolf? Are you? For so many years, you, you, you cried antisemitism and

00:46:38.740 you found hatred everywhere. And then, and then, and then finally, and then, I'll be meaning from

00:46:44.580 rebel news. What's rebel news? Rebel news. It doesn't matter. But finally now, the, when the

00:46:49.360 world, when the world has turned so antisemitic, no one believes us because of people like you and

00:46:54.040 the work you've done over so many years, destroying our allies, making lists about our allies, people

00:46:59.980 that actually defend us. You've been a big part of that problem, haven't you? Do you know the boy

00:47:07.040 that cried wolf? I'm not familiar with this story. Why don't you tell? He's not familiar with the story.

00:47:10.880 Jonathan, look, it's not a joke because the Jews around the world, we are feeling the pain

00:47:14.500 and you've alienated so many of our allies. What about Elon Musk? Somebody that's been so

00:47:19.880 good. No, you got a message for Elon? Thank you, Jonathan. There you go. Nothing to say.

00:47:27.540 Censorship in real life. I bet you I'm going to be on the list tomorrow. Jonathan Greenblatt

00:47:33.120 is a man that has pride. That's extremely good. You know what? I always refer to Jonathan Greenblatt.

00:47:37.340 I used to do it more where I would just refer to him as a different name because to me, it's

00:47:40.760 like, you know, you read a headline, Jonathan Greenblatt condemns. And it's like,

00:47:43.820 you might as well say Michael Smith. Like, who is this guy? He's literally nobody. He's

00:47:48.000 condemning. Great. What gets me is that he's doing it. He's using my reputation, my name,

00:47:53.500 my history and thousands of years of history. He is pretending to the world that this is a

00:47:58.480 Jewish project. When I put it to you, it's a left wing project using Judaism as the tactic.

00:48:06.200 And it's doubly effective. It puts people of good faith on the back foot. No, no, I'm not.

00:48:10.360 No, let me be defensive and explain to you that I'm not. And I don't know. I find it an odious

00:48:16.200 approach. And I, there's other people out there that do things in the name of all Jews.

00:48:20.380 And, and that's one of my messages to, to, to viewers of Infowars is, can you please do me the

00:48:27.260 personal favor as someone who's been in this battle, this information war for 35 years and who

00:48:35.860 shares your values of fighting against, like, look at us. We're there in Davos scrumming these guys.

00:48:40.560 Like that's, it's fun, but that's doing good work too. You know, we're, we were with the truckers and

00:48:46.940 then we crowdfunded their legal defense, right? We're in the UK with Tommy Robinson, crowdfunding

00:48:51.560 his legal defense when they try and silence him. We do, you know, we, we were really the only people

00:48:56.440 who in a serious way opposed the COVID lockdowns in Canada. So we're doing all the same things you're

00:49:01.180 doing. Can you do me the favor and judge me for who I am rather than say, okay, you're a Jew

00:49:07.160 and Greenblatt's a Jew and Rabi Shmuley is a Jew. Therefore I'm going to, so do me the one

00:49:14.000 favor. Don't say the Jews, right? Because it's not the Jews. It's some Jews, it's a Jew. And I put it

00:49:20.280 to you in some cases, it's a Jew who's really turned off the Jewish, he flipped the switch off, hasn't

00:49:24.520 been in the synagogue since his bar mitzvah, you know, to him being Jewish as he has a bagel once in a

00:49:29.800 while. And like, and it's because your question, what is a Jew? If someone is a vestigial Jew,

00:49:38.780 a, a, an ex-Jew, a lapsed Jew, are they, do I still have to bear some of the communal guilt?

00:49:46.320 Like Jeffrey Epstein, one of the worst people that anyone has ever heard of. How I curse the fact

00:49:52.920 that his name is Epstein and did what was, what he was doing essentially Jewish in character? No,

00:49:59.940 it was, um, it was a honey trap. It was a, it was, it was an extortion racket that clearly was linked

00:50:06.160 to different intelligence agencies. Yeah. But do I have to pay the price for that because he's a Jew?

00:50:12.180 I can't tell you how badly I hate the fact that he's a Jew, but as I said to Alex earlier today,

00:50:18.460 you look at Anthony Fauci, AOC, Nancy Pelosi, no one says, look what the Catholics are. Right.

00:50:24.420 They just wouldn't say that because there's Catholic, because you also got Anthony's,

00:50:27.800 Anthony's Skidalia and you got like, there's for every Catholic on the left, there's a Catholic on

00:50:31.940 the right. Yeah. Some on the very right. And so no one would ever say those Catholics, the Catholics.

00:50:38.380 I mean, some people would say that, but. Oh yeah, you should hear some of our callers. Sure.

00:50:41.560 There is some, there is some anti-Catholic bigotry and there's some anti-Protestant bigotry and I don't get it,

00:50:46.140 but I don't, but, but I think that that's a little nutty.

00:50:49.960 Well, I'd say it's a little bit different because, you know, the AOC doesn't often predicate what

00:50:56.800 she's doing on her Catholicness, which is what Jonathan Greenblatt does. He claims to be speaking

00:51:01.940 for it. Greenblatt's the worst of them all. Yeah. I know. He's like, and I feel, because it's not,

00:51:06.660 it's like totally unfair to relate you to Jonathan Greenblatt. So I feel for you.

00:51:10.580 But Epstein never said, I'm a Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew. Right.

00:51:13.380 What I'm doing is Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew. He never does that. Well, that's, well, that's where it

00:51:16.220 intersects with Israel being a foreign state with its own intelligence operations that,

00:51:21.520 you know, is, is obviously considers itself a Jewish state. And actually, I think that again,

00:51:25.840 when it gets to sort of the, the frustrations that we're seeing sort of bubble over on the

00:51:29.440 internet right now, I think a lot of it has to do with sort of inconsistency or hypocrisies that

00:51:33.460 we see, not even from Jewish people, but from people, uh, from right wingers, you know, in, uh,

00:51:38.840 in Congress, it's almost like Israel gives them this license to be hardcore about something,

00:51:44.300 but they'll never do it for Americans. Right. When it comes to Israel, it's like where you're

00:51:49.140 just going to go kill everybody. And we're getting, you know, I'm talking about Lindsey

00:51:52.160 Graham or Ted Cruz. It's like something about Israel gives them the license to go hardcore

00:51:56.740 and, and almost be, you know, support an ethno state support identity where everywhere else

00:52:01.980 and everywhere else it's, it's interacted. It's, Oh, well, we can't do that. And well, let's,

00:52:05.600 let's walk carefully here. It's like, well, they never feel that way with Israel. So there's a,

00:52:09.800 there's an inconsistency there that again, I think, I think grates on people. It grates on me

00:52:14.160 because I see so much being done for Israel by our federal government that they will never do for

00:52:19.840 us. So there's, I want to, you know what I mean? I don't know what you mean. So I'd like you to unpack

00:52:23.800 that last sentence. I will. I see so many things that our government is doing for Israel. Yeah.

00:52:28.900 Give me a list of three. Well, okay. So one, uh, primary example would be like the university

00:52:34.620 presidents being pressured and, and some of them being fired. I think, is that Israel that's doing

00:52:39.600 that? Well, yeah, well, it's, it's, it's because they wouldn't crack down on anti-Israel protests

00:52:44.680 on their campuses. Okay. So university presidents and what's number two? Uh, the TikTok ban would

00:52:49.500 be another one. I think, uh, I don't think, what's the TikTok ban? I think TikTok, uh, was banned

00:52:54.520 because there was a lot of, uh, anti-Israel content going out and they now have a IDF, uh, soldiers

00:52:59.560 sort of overseeing them. And, you know, as, as Alex was talking about the Bibi Netanyahu

00:53:04.380 thing, calling it an eighth front. Okay. What's the third thing? Uh, third thing would

00:53:08.320 be like, uh, protecting, uh, our border versus, you know, sending weapons to Israel and how,

00:53:13.680 you know, willing we are. Like you'll have the same people in our, uh, in our government

00:53:18.360 say it's immoral to close the border. We have to allow people in, but they're, you know,

00:53:22.000 hardcore about, uh, you know, Israel's border. I got out a fourth one, which is the $3 billion

00:53:26.160 a year in military aid to Israel. Well, I don't like that, but, but it's more, it's

00:53:29.760 more about, okay, we for a decade have been going, Hey, these universities are teaching

00:53:33.580 anti-white stuff. They've got entire classes called, you know, the problem with whiteness

00:53:38.340 and how to eradicate it. We can never even get a Congressman to even acknowledge us, let

00:53:42.840 alone do something. Then when it becomes, Oh, there's anti, you know, there's pro Palestine

00:53:46.640 protest on the campus. Suddenly the federal government is like going to shut the school

00:53:51.960 down if they don't immediately do something. And so again, it's not even, it's like, it's

00:53:55.840 almost like if we were getting everything we want and that was happening, I wouldn't

00:53:58.860 have a problem with it. It's the inconsistency of the federal government when it comes to

00:54:02.360 serving the American people, right? Ah, our hands are tied. Gee, we'd love to, but just

00:54:06.960 we can't. And then when it comes to something Israel wants, it's like, boom, it's done

00:54:10.260 because TikTok is another good example. Trump's first administration, they tried to TikTok

00:54:13.980 ban, didn't go anywhere. It didn't even, I don't even think it went to a vote. Nothing

00:54:17.340 happened. Then you've got Nikki Haley going up and saying every 15 minutes you spend

00:54:21.360 on TikTok, you're 30% more anti-Semitic or whatever it was. And it's like TikTok gets

00:54:25.240 banned two weeks later. So again, it's, it's not even necessarily the things that are

00:54:29.040 happening. It's the discrepancy between the speed and power with which the federal

00:54:33.220 government will move when it comes to Israel's benefit, you know, something that benefits

00:54:36.620 Israel. But when it comes to Americans, we, we cannot get any benefits out of our

00:54:40.540 government. Sure. I've got thoughts on all four of those, if I may. Sure. The first is

00:54:44.480 on the university president. I'm super, you know, and I never heard of that phrase as an

00:54:48.480 Israel favor before. I mean, there is anti-Semitism on campuses. And in my observation, it's in

00:54:55.900 substantial part from foreign students, not, not American citizens, but foreigners. And

00:55:03.220 I think that this is a twofold thing. I think this is how to get those deportation numbers

00:55:07.360 up. And frankly, being pro-Hamas, I put it to you. I mean, that is anti-Jewish and I suppose

00:55:14.100 it is anti-Israel, obviously, but it's also a proxy for being anti-Western. And I mean,

00:55:20.120 there's been some of these people who, who have been caught up in this dragnet. I mean,

00:55:26.860 could you have a blatantly anti-black protest at a campus that got federal funds? Like if

00:55:34.880 it was just as anti-black as these are anti-Jewish? I don't think so. But I saw that as a way for

00:55:43.940 the white house to get foreign nationals who are here to undermine and like basically

00:55:50.380 foreign radicals to get them out, didn't apply to American citizens. I sort of liked that just

00:55:55.060 as a deportation move of getting Hamas types out. I don't know. I, I don't, I never thought

00:56:00.040 of it as a favorite Israel. I thought of it as a way to get the radicals out of these schools.

00:56:04.960 I don't know. Maybe, maybe you, you, you're saying I'm not disputing what you're saying.

00:56:09.020 I mean, it didn't feel like an Israel move. It felt like a get the bad people out of America

00:56:12.800 move. Well, with the, with the Harvard one, it was even before that because it, you know,

00:56:16.920 they predicated on her, you know, being a DEI supporter or plagiarizing or something. But,

00:56:22.680 you know, it's, that's sort of just the excuse, but really it was, you know, because they wouldn't

00:56:26.320 crack down the Palestinian protests. And like, you know, I, I don't, but it wasn't really the

00:56:30.820 Palestinian protest is, was it a anti-Jewish and there's a different thing. And, and you say, well,

00:56:35.980 look at my, my pleading, special pleading for the Jews. No, if it was like, I, I have to believe,

00:56:42.580 and I do believe that if the kind of crazy anti-Jewish stuff that, I mean, I went to Columbia

00:56:48.040 to check it out. I went to the Fashion Institute of Technology in New York when it happened there.

00:56:52.600 Like I went to some of these schools. It was, I went to University of Toronto, my own country.

00:56:55.980 It was crazy. And I thought to myself, what if they swapped in the word black for Jews or Israel?

00:57:02.960 Would that be allowed? Well, and I don't think so. Like, I think that would be a national guard

00:57:07.920 moment. Well, you know, I, I agree with you, but what if they swiped the word Jew for white? I think

00:57:12.180 it would still get federal funds and nobody would care, but I'm with you on that. Yeah. I mean,

00:57:16.560 I, I, again, it's, you know, like I said, it's not even necessarily that it's like,

00:57:20.000 why is the government doing this for them? It's like, why can we not get anything done for us?

00:57:24.360 Well, I think the Trump administration is going absolutely full tilt against DEI. Yeah. So the same,

00:57:31.440 so the same administration that's going after Columbia and Harvard for their anti-Jewish,

00:57:38.000 I think it does violate civil rights. I could be wrong. They're also going after DEI. They're also

00:57:43.380 going after Harvard on admissions. So I think they are. I mean, would you, I mean, tell me you're the

00:57:48.180 American here. Would you not agree that Trump has been like, I think he even uses like having even

00:57:52.920 the symbolic boar farmers from South Africa come as refugees. Like you know, that was, that was

00:57:58.900 amazing. That was beautiful. Don't you think that's symbolic of this administration? So again,

00:58:02.560 I think this is, this is one of the things I see because like Avi Yemeni, amazing video. We just

00:58:07.280 saw, I've always been a big fan of him. He's very fearless and just goes sort of right into the lion's

00:58:11.400 den. I really appreciate and respect that. But, you know, I've seen him in Australia sort of,

00:58:16.680 you know, trying to argue against or, or stand up against the national, I guess they're the national

00:58:21.940 socialist there, whoever it is. And I feel like there's a lot of times where white people in

00:58:27.280 particular Christians, native, you know, Americans and Europeans want to stand up for themselves

00:58:32.880 against the Muslim immigration against, you know, being swamped. And a lot of times it's Jewish

00:58:37.500 people that are going, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're, we're going down a dangerous road here. Nazism lies

00:58:41.920 at the end of it. And, and so then there, I know I'll be pretty well. And I think he shares my view

00:58:46.460 against immigration. I think there were some actual Nazis there that route, if it's the same rally,

00:58:52.140 and if it's the same rally we're talking about the one that happened about a month ago,

00:58:54.840 that was a pro-Australia anti-immigration rally. It was an anti-immigration rally. Right. And it was

00:59:01.160 a mass rally. And then there were like 15 Nazis who on this one occasion didn't have their armbands

00:59:07.620 so they could sort of sneak in and say, this is our big event. And they actually managed to get some

00:59:12.020 press. Oh my God, the Nazis have a hundred thousand people. No, they had 12 and they were driven out by

00:59:17.100 the others. I, I don't think rebel news or me or Avi could possibly be called open borders or like,

00:59:25.680 I just think you may have misapprehended. So then, then how do like Europeans advocate for

00:59:31.180 themselves without like, uh, you know, you don't have to be a Nazi to call for the end of immigration.

00:59:36.460 Well, but if, but if you, you know, are explicitly saying we are white, we, we want, we want to live

00:59:40.660 around white people that is interpreted as, as a Nazi. Well, I mean, I suppose you have to be thoughtful

00:59:45.220 about your wording. I was, I I've been in Ireland a half dozen times in the last year and a half.

00:59:49.700 It's an amazing country. It's a very small country, 5 million souls. Uh, and I, I love using the phrase

00:59:55.400 indigenous Irish because they've been there for centuries. Literally what they are. And,

00:59:59.100 and mass immigration is happening so quickly that how could it be taken as anything but

01:00:05.740 replacement migration? And I just threw out a document here or where did I have it?

01:00:10.960 That's not a conspiracy theory. It's on the UN. Yeah. It's a 21 page.

01:00:14.400 Yeah. It's an actual, like it's a thing. And, and by the way, leftist politicians often boast of

01:00:19.860 it as a thing. And there's different, I guess there's different ways in, in saying it and you

01:00:25.360 have to be thoughtful and you have to win people over. I was in Ireland and then I was in the midst

01:00:29.900 of a protest of 30,000 people against mass immigration, not a single media organization

01:00:36.820 supported them, not a single mainstream political party supported them. And yet 30,000 in a country the

01:00:41.580 size of violence, quite something to see. I did bump into one actual Nazi there. I don't know if

01:00:46.240 you've, I think I saw, I've seen that video. Yeah. And I don't want to talk to him. And I just went

01:00:49.380 right up to him because the police were picking on some guy. I had no idea who it was. I go up to him

01:00:53.280 and say, what did the police have to say to you? I don't talk to Jews. You know, it's actually a

01:00:58.320 hell of a, it's actually a hell of a video if your friends want to pull it up. Yeah.

01:01:01.040 And I just said, what? I did. I, I know. I thought you hit yourself, boy, you're just like, okay, it's

01:01:09.120 weird. Yeah. Like I was there as an ally of like, I was there to give our, Rebel News is, you know,

01:01:14.520 we got 1.8 million YouTube subscribers. It's not as big as you guys, but we're big ish and they didn't

01:01:20.900 have any media coverage. And I'm, and I regard, I don't know a lot about Ireland, but I'm learning.

01:01:24.840 So I go there as a friend and I got a hundred people just really happy to see me. And this one guy

01:01:29.740 who actually said he was a national socialist, I don't talk to Jews. The Jews have done no,

01:01:35.520 buddy. I'm just like, for God's sakes, it's not, it's like I was saying to Alex, it's like the

01:01:40.920 Rorschach inkblot. It's not always a Jewish thing. I just came over, in fact, I was out of concern,

01:01:48.480 like the cops had zeroed in on this guy and I, I'm a free speech guy. And I, I was like,

01:01:52.960 what were they picking you on? You Jew. I mean, so my point to you is you maybe don't be so

01:01:59.260 fricking crazy. Yeah. And this guy thinks that the Irish are at any time going to rise up and

01:02:04.560 support him and make him the Fuhrer or something. No, they're not. Cause you're an idiot. How about

01:02:08.740 just be smarter about it? Let me quickly go to your other issues. TikTok, you know, until five

01:02:14.060 minutes ago, TikTok was controlled by China, which controls the algorithm. I just wish some of the

01:02:18.620 folks who are squawking today, um, would show 1% the outrage when it was owned by communist China.

01:02:24.540 Yeah. Um, and I guess my last point, which I made not, not you, Oh, you know, you talked about

01:02:29.300 double standard about being hardcore. Yeah. Okay. So you wish that the American immigration system

01:02:35.200 and citizenship process was as hardcore as Israel's is in terms of, is that what you're saying? Or

01:02:40.620 not, no, not military stuff. No, I think you might be confusing Ukraine because Russia, America's given

01:02:45.760 an enormous amount of weaponry to Ukraine. And, um, and there's some senators who seem very

01:02:51.980 excited about fighting Russia. And I, and I'm not taking, I'm not expressing a viewpoint on that

01:02:57.100 war. I'm just saying like Lindsey Graham and the, and the, the, the late John McCain, they were almost

01:03:01.960 elated about a conflict. They see it as a way to trap Russia in a proxy war and maybe, maybe they're

01:03:06.560 right. But the reason I added Israel's $3 billion of aid a year is because for that $3 billion of aid,

01:03:14.620 America has no military base in Israel. Um, there are military bases in Qatar. That's the largest

01:03:21.660 base in the middle East, $10 billion a year. The American taxpayers spend on it. The U S taxpayers

01:03:26.400 spent about 50 billion a year patrolling the Persian Gulf sea lakes. Who's that for?

01:03:31.720 That's for the oil producing Sunni Muslim countries, right? That's not for the Jews. Um,

01:03:37.780 there's American bases around the world. Like, Oh, Israel gets the most military aid really more than

01:03:41.800 Germany, which is 40 U S bases. I guess it's more like, you know, it, my complaint is more like

01:03:45.900 somebody like Ben Shapiro who makes his whole brand being, uh, against identity politics.

01:03:51.500 But when it comes to Israel, he's like, it must be a Jewish nation forever. And it's like, okay,

01:03:55.540 that is, that's a hypocrisy there that 50 countries in the world that have an ethnicity hard or

01:04:01.900 religion hardwired in their constitution. Most of them are Muslim. It won't surprise you to hear.

01:04:06.640 Um, but there are some Christian countries. Greece is one of them. Armenia is one of them,

01:04:10.940 even the United Kingdom. Um, the church of England is part of their state. There is no separation

01:04:16.960 between church and state. The King is the head of the church. Yeah. And so I think that it is okay.

01:04:24.920 And it is normal to have an ethnicity. Now you want to think about that. Like Suella Braverman,

01:04:30.880 who's this conservative anti-immigration, former cabinet minister in the UK. She had a very

01:04:35.220 interesting tweet today. Maybe your friends could find it. She said, I'm not English. Right. But I'm

01:04:39.920 a proud British Asian. I thought, isn't that interesting? Because of course she's not indigenous

01:04:45.900 British English. Right. From the Angles and the Saxons and the Normans and the, of course. Okay.

01:04:51.660 She's saying something that's obvious. It's not shocking. She's a brown woman. So of course she's

01:04:55.340 not indigenous English, but she's something. What is that? Oh, this is, can I, do you want to see just a

01:05:01.020 minute? Yeah. Yeah. That's, this is the little Nazi guy. You know what? And I tell you,

01:05:04.880 I promise you, I went, I was bored. We were waiting for this huge protest to start. We had

01:05:09.420 just missed a Conor McGregor who had been there. We just missed them. And we were all milling

01:05:14.520 around waiting for this giant rally to start. I had no clue who this pint-sized guy was. I saw the

01:05:21.000 cops going over there looking menacing and I was sympathetic and I walk up. Can you just

01:05:25.940 play a minute? We'll go to that. Cause we, we got to go to, we meant to, we meant to go to

01:05:29.700 calls. Shut up. Let's take the calls. Let's take the calls. Well, we got to go to break.

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01:05:56.820 other side. More with Ezra Levant, rebel news.com. We'll be right back.

01:06:03.280 All right. Welcome back. Ladies and gentlemen, second hour with Ezra, Ezra Levant. I don't know

01:06:14.500 why I can't say her name. Ezra Levant. It's the R and the L. I mix, I mix them up. Ezra Levant is

01:06:20.300 here in studio with us. Rebel news.com is where you can go to find all of his incredible work.

01:06:25.660 And it really is incredible. And again, I, you know, I'm glad we're having this conversation.

01:06:30.340 I really feel like these conversations are necessary because when you go on the internet,

01:06:34.760 it just becomes this divisive thing where half the time being pressured by Nazis, half

01:06:39.640 time being pressured by Jews. And I'm just like, can I'm trying to get to the truth here

01:06:43.380 and I'm trying to try to figure out the way forward. But before we go out to calls, cause

01:06:47.600 I do want to go out to calls right now. Like one thing I see is I think Israel is really

01:06:53.020 going down a bad slope right now. I mean, they got all the EU turning against them, you know,

01:06:58.240 claiming that they're, you know, claiming they're going to recognize Palestine, stopping weapon

01:07:01.720 shipments. A lot of the American populace, especially the young people are turned against

01:07:06.200 Israel now. I mean, I sort of struggle to see how they regain their footing after this. Cause I think

01:07:12.000 what's gone on in Gaza has been so horrifying to people. And the videos have come out so regularly

01:07:16.860 for so long. I mean, you know, in the early on, I was going, Hey, Israel should not be doing this.

01:07:22.720 You know, they're bombing hospitals and churches or, you know, schools. This isn't good. Uh, I got

01:07:27.200 called an anti-Semite then, but now we are, you know, nearly two years down the road. And it's

01:07:31.080 like, yeah, this is not, it's not going well for Israel right now. I mean, how do you, how do you

01:07:36.240 take that criticism? Now you mean, not of you obviously, but of Israel and, and they, how they

01:07:42.560 represent the Jewish people on the world stage or claim to. Now I don't live in Israel, right?

01:07:46.720 Not an Israeli, but I do pay a little bit of attention to what they say about this. So maybe

01:07:51.820 I can try and answer, um, for maybe the different viewpoint from, let's say Jerusalem or Tel

01:07:57.520 Aviv, which is, so you said it's not going well at all. So in the last two years, there

01:08:02.740 was the massacre of October 7th, which was terrible. And then the psychic stress of having

01:08:07.320 these hostages underground, right? Terrible. And you're right. Um, Europe has become even

01:08:14.600 more anti-Israel. I'm not sure what it means to recognize a country so far. None of them.

01:08:20.140 I saw Spain had was talking about moving its diplomats and Israel said, okay, if you're

01:08:24.820 having Palestinian diplomats, they have to be in Ramallah. And none of the Spanish diplomats

01:08:28.740 wanted to leave Israel to go move to a real, I've been to Ramallah. It's not a diplomat friendly

01:08:33.460 place. So what does it mean when Canada, my country recognizes Palestine? So who's the

01:08:40.940 leader? Who's the, who's, what's the constitution? What are the borders? Like, what does it mean

01:08:46.540 other than it's a, the ultimate virtue signal? I mean, you know, it's no, I think, I think

01:08:50.880 that's what it is. I think it's a signal. Yeah. But from Israel's point of view, you might

01:08:54.980 hear this. Okay. So Iran has lost a lot of their generals, has had a lot of their ICBMs

01:09:02.960 nuked, or not nuked, destroyed, and had their nuclear program set back, if not eliminated.

01:09:10.140 Hezbollah, which was actually probably the most dangerous force of all, 100,000 rockets,

01:09:14.900 completely decapitated in what could only be called a miraculous move of espionage, like

01:09:21.740 the pagers, and then the precise bombing of their lead. Like, that was without a fight.

01:09:26.080 Right. And Hezbollah retreating from Lebanon, and Hamas has been decimated. Now, you can,

01:09:34.920 it's still alive. But all these threats against Israel have been smashed. And

01:09:42.940 the big risk being from Iran. So I think, yes, diplomatically, politically, it hasn't gone well.

01:09:52.020 Well, if your measurement is, how's it looking online? It's looking really bad online, online,

01:09:56.340 online. And you and I spent an enormous amount of time online. But they're living real life

01:10:01.940 stuff now. And I think, militarily, Israel's never been stronger. And what happened yesterday

01:10:07.600 at the White House? Netanyahu agreed that if Hamas really does pack up shop, Israel will

01:10:16.720 remove itself in stages, and there will be a new kind of Gaza there. Now, I don't think it's going

01:10:23.360 to happen, because I think Hamas is relentless. I think they really are like Nazis, with the religious

01:10:28.200 layer on top of it, too. So I think that there's some pie in the sky. Who knows, maybe Qatar can

01:10:34.760 wrangle them. But if that comes to pass, if the war ends, if an attempt to replicate Dubai is made in

01:10:42.360 Gaza, how has Israel not won in every meaningful way? I mean, oh, shoot. Sorry, we're going to break.

01:10:48.160 We'll be right back. All right. Welcome back, folks. Big thank you to Ezra Levant for staying

01:10:53.220 with us for two hours. You know, it's going to we're going to go on two hours. He was with Alex

01:10:58.600 for like over an hour. So thank you so much for staying with us. And we're going to go directly

01:11:02.600 out to your calls and and just hear directly from the audience. And we'll go whoever called in

01:11:07.120 first. First, we'll go to Jay in Ohio, who's been holding for a while. Is this is this Jay,

01:11:12.920 our truck driver friend? Yeah. How are you doing, Jay? You're on the air.

01:11:18.900 Jewish truck driver. My Jewish truck driver friend. Yes, sir.

01:11:22.780 Yeah. Yeah. And Shanatova. I know I'm a little late and hope young Kipper comes better.

01:11:27.680 Yeah. I did have a question. I went to a dinner there for Rosh Hashanah and I'm a bit of a rebel

01:11:36.940 and I wore a black InfoWars shirt there with the black letters on it and an InfoWars hat.

01:11:43.380 I had a young I had a yarmulke underneath. But anyways, I'm a little bit of a rebel.

01:11:47.660 And we were sitting there and I was asked if I was a an infomercial, you know, for somebody,

01:11:54.600 you know, advertising for InfoWars. And I said, no, but I like InfoWars. And there are people there

01:12:00.260 that did. And the rabbi is pretty cool. And anyways, there was a guy there and I've been

01:12:05.660 meaning to ask the rabbi. There was a man that he had like a swastika on on on a button on his

01:12:14.020 lapel. And he was an older gentleman and he had like different medals and whatnot. And he was an

01:12:19.780 older guy. I thought Alex might have been able to give a little history on that or

01:12:24.420 Ezra on on the swastika and how it pertains. I mean, this was an orthodox event and I felt

01:12:30.440 a little like like what what is what is this guy doing here with this this swastika

01:12:35.620 on his lapel? Well, and then the other thing. Go ahead. No, no, you go ahead.

01:12:41.680 OK, then the other thing was you mentioned that Tucker and, you know, the guy that the man

01:12:47.460 at the table we were sitting at, he says, I'll bet you like Tucker Carlson. I said, yeah,

01:12:51.460 I do like Tucker Carlson. Oh, he's an anti-Semite. Well, I've seen you on his program and I've seen

01:12:58.900 a lot of his, you know, I follow Tucker on X and and I've seen a lot of his interviews.

01:13:06.080 I must say, I listen to Alex's program 10 hours a day most days because I'm on the road. But I when

01:13:13.460 so when I went home that night just for ha ha's, I put on the interview of the what he spoke about

01:13:19.800 on Charlie Kirk about eating hummus and and, you know, and they and that they they they killed

01:13:26.240 they killed Jesus. Well, I no offense to anybody, but anytime I hear Jesus, I just recognize growing

01:13:34.620 up where I where I grew up. That's God, you know, but but it's just a different name. Hashem.

01:13:40.460 I don't know. I, you know, whatever you want to call God. And I only believe, of course,

01:13:45.580 because I'm Jewish and one God. And and I don't see that I need to go through.

01:13:50.140 So how did you feel about about Tucker's comments when you saw them?

01:13:55.340 Well, I watched it. And to be honest with you, you know, everybody ate hummus back then. I mean,

01:14:00.860 the Jews, you know, and I still eat hummus and I love it. So but, you know, he was kind of,

01:14:09.980 you know what I felt. I felt like. You know, I felt I can I can relate and understand how

01:14:17.580 the man I was sitting with didn't particularly care the way he put the blame on the Jews for

01:14:23.180 killing Jesus. But in my belief, my understanding, there's one God and I got nothing against Jesus.

01:14:31.100 If you want to believe in Jesus, I say, God bless. Good luck.

01:14:33.980 Well, thank you. Thank you for the call, Jay. You know, we always we always appreciate your calls.

01:14:38.540 And of course, Jay is is one of, you know, our many Jewish audience members that,

01:14:42.940 you know, I think about any time we talk about Jews in the recognition that,

01:14:46.540 hey, there are people listening to me right now that agree with me and don't deserve to be lumped

01:14:49.660 in with the likes of any of any of the bad, bad people you'd like to name like Jonathan Greenblatt.

01:14:55.500 What did you think? Because I sort of under I I maybe maybe I'm being naive or missing the

01:15:01.020 dog whistle or whatever. But I sort of understood what Tucker was saying as just purely about

01:15:05.580 what a terrible idea was to think that killing somebody would stop their ideas in the sense that

01:15:10.940 you think you're going to kill Jesus. And that'll be that. And, you know, by Monday,

01:15:14.700 everybody will have forgotten. And 2000 years later, we're still counting, you know,

01:15:17.980 the years by from when he was born. So that's how I understood it. But I could

01:15:21.420 also understand how it could be a dog whistle of sorts from as I said to Alex earlier today,

01:15:25.980 for many years, Tucker Carlson was my absolute hero. I count appearing on his show a few times

01:15:31.180 as some career highlights. I really looked up to him in many ways. But, you know,

01:15:38.300 enough facts have presented that my theory about him has to change. And I don't understand why he

01:15:43.980 has changed his compass. A crass accusation would be cash. I find that hard to believe because I think

01:15:49.900 he's wealthy and I I don't think he's I mean, he's enough that he doesn't need to be greedy.

01:15:55.020 Is it? I don't know what it is. Is it revenge against someone who treated him poorly, whether

01:16:00.380 that's the Murdochs or whether it's I don't know. I cannot calculate. I cannot make sense

01:16:06.380 why Tucker has now taking like the other day I saw him talk about Sharia law. I don't know if you saw

01:16:11.100 that clip. And he said, look on the streets of forget which Arab country he was referring to.

01:16:17.180 And he said, you know, it's safe. You don't have to lock your car. Women aren't raped.

01:16:21.900 Who wouldn't want that? Well, yeah, brother, that's like maybe one aspect of Sharia law. But

01:16:28.220 actually, that's because women can't go out right under there without being totally covered and

01:16:32.940 without their male guardian there. Like there's a lot of real obvious arguments against that. But

01:16:38.060 Tucker knows that I've seen Tucker rail against that. How can you make a 180 degree shift? And that's

01:16:44.700 why I'm very troubled by it is because I

01:16:49.260 I'm the original Tucker super fan who now is I'm shaken in my faith in him. And I don't want to

01:16:56.860 call him an anti-semit. I hate throwing that around casually. But because I've seen so many things that

01:17:01.980 make me raise an eyebrow, when I saw that comment, I thought, why are you at the moment they're burying

01:17:07.420 this man in front of his widow, making an implication that the Jews did it? Because there's all these wild

01:17:13.020 accusations that Israel did it. And and some of the accusations are completely baseless.

01:17:17.900 Candace Owens saying, I know his final thoughts in the letter. The letter to Benjamin Netanyahu was

01:17:22.540 finally released. And you know what? I mean, Candace is someone else that I sort of looked up to,

01:17:27.820 but she's gone totally cuckoo. Like she's saying there's not even such a thing as Jews. They're

01:17:34.300 Frankis. And it's like, I just like, I feel like the woman is reading Wikipedia for an hour at night

01:17:41.340 and then stretches it another standard deviation and then speaks it with great. Like I, I don't know

01:17:47.980 what the hell is going on there. And that's one of the reasons I wanted to go come on Alex's show,

01:17:51.580 because I know that in my one hour with him and my two hours with you, I'm not going to convert

01:17:57.420 any Semites into Jew lovers. I'm not going to change people's mind in a deep way. It'd be impossible to do

01:18:03.500 so. And I would be a fool to try, but I am trying to leave two ideas out there. And you've heard me

01:18:08.620 say them a few times. One is don't make the mistake of the left in imputing a collective guilt or a

01:18:15.340 collective mindset. Jews, as we just, we just had a Jewish Alex Jones supporter, a big time Alex Jones

01:18:23.740 supporter going to a Jewish event, decked out head to toe and in Alex Jones swag. That's a beautiful

01:18:31.580 thing. That's a 10 out of 10 Alex Jones supporter. How can you say that man is cut from the same

01:18:37.340 cloth as Alex Soros on paper? They're both Jews, but now he, he used the word. I don't know if you

01:18:42.540 heard it. He said Russia Shana. That's the Jewish word for high. So he was saying a few things about,

01:18:47.020 it's a Jewish high holiday. I don't think Alex Jones even know, sorry, I don't think Alex Soros even

01:18:51.500 knows how to say those words. Right. So can you really say, take the sins of George and Alex Soros

01:18:58.060 and put them on that friendly trucker? No, you can't. And to do so is to offend one of the key

01:19:03.500 values of our side of the argument, which is to treat people as individuals. Right. Listen,

01:19:07.100 I know that Jews on the whole tilt liberal. I'm not dumb, just like blacks and Hispanics do,

01:19:12.540 but you know, take people as they come. And I've lived my life as a freedom fighter in a smaller

01:19:19.580 footprint than Alex Jones, but I feel a camaraderie. And so I want anyone who's watching in good faith to

01:19:26.700 use that one device is don't say the Jews, because it wasn't all the Jews and it may not

01:19:32.860 have even been a Jewish impulse. It could have just been a Jew by coincidence. And the second

01:19:37.260 thing is do not use the Jews did it. Israel did it as an excuse for everything else. And with great

01:19:43.820 respect, I think you did that a tiny bit today too. And here's what I mean. How come Israel gets all

01:19:50.220 this support from us senators and America is we can't do the same thing. How come Israel is allowed to

01:19:54.940 have maybe an ethnic policy, but America isn't? Okay. What are you talking about? It's your country.

01:20:01.580 That, that little Nazi I bumped into in Ireland basically said the Jews have brought the downfall

01:20:07.900 of Ireland. There are 2000 Jews in Ireland of a country of 5 million. It's not even 0.1%. There has not

01:20:14.460 been a Jew in the Irish parliament in over a decade. If there is a problem in Ireland, which there is, and I

01:20:19.580 love Ireland and I want Ireland to fix its problems. I want Ireland to stop the deracination of its own

01:20:24.380 people. It breaks my heart, the de-Irishing of that country. And I say this as a foreigner.

01:20:29.340 Right. But for him to say the Jews did it. No brother, a parliament of Irishmen did it. And he,

01:20:36.700 oh, but the Jews are pulling the strings. Are they really? If so, can you not have a vote in your

01:20:42.300 parliament? Like at what point, how Jew-free does your country have to be before you can say,

01:20:48.060 you know what? Maybe we opened the door. It wasn't the Jews.

01:20:52.060 Well, I'll just, you know, to play devil's advocate here. The, the argument is like,

01:20:56.620 well, we have the ADL training our FBI and they say that, you know, it's, it's not that,

01:21:01.420 oh, Nazis are bad. They say, you know, signs that say it's okay to be white are bad. So we have this

01:21:06.140 institutional force that is suppressing the ability of, you know, native white Christian

01:21:10.940 people to take their own side. And that is another thing that I, I don't even, it's not even that I'm

01:21:15.580 like, oh, I want to be like Israel or like they get to have it and we don't. And that's not fair.

01:21:19.740 It's, there's something about it that when it comes to Republicans, they have been trained,

01:21:25.180 you know, like Pavlovian. It's like, you know, they're like dogs. They like cannot support Americans,

01:21:30.060 especially not when it comes to like, like they, I mean, they stripped Steve King of his, uh, you know,

01:21:34.780 committee meetings. Cause he was like, yeah, white people aren't that bad. What's the big deal.

01:21:38.620 And you know, the Republicans lead the charge on stripping him of his, uh,

01:21:41.900 committee meeting. So it's like, it's white or not. Well, I don't, I don't know. Well,

01:21:45.900 what do you think? Do I look white to you? Uh, well, you, you look white, like you look like

01:21:50.380 if it was, if it was a dichotomy between, you know, black and white, I think, uh, or, you know,

01:21:54.940 not white and white. So are there, is it just the Jews who are doing this anti-white thing?

01:21:59.820 Cause I know I don't do the anyway. No. And there's a lot of white people that are anti-white.

01:22:03.100 And is there anyone else? Of course. But, but again, what are the political pressure? So,

01:22:06.620 so the Jews. Yeah. Listen, we've already agreed that the ADL are the bad guys. I've shown you the

01:22:11.740 proof of our team in action exposing that. Yeah. Um, I think that everyone has to find their

01:22:17.900 courage. I'm a nationalist populist. And, and by the way, that applies to the Jews too. The Jews

01:22:23.260 have a historical homeland, but read the Bible. Uh, the Jews also won it through a grant from the

01:22:30.380 United Nations. The Jews also won it in a series of wars. That's three ways the Jews own Israel. Now,

01:22:36.140 you could argue about the borders and that's being done by the way, to answer your question

01:22:39.660 from half an hour ago, I think if this peace deal sticks, Israel would be in a, in a, in a golden

01:22:47.180 age because this political military terrorist sore will be over. Wouldn't it be something if it was

01:22:53.580 the new Dubai, Iran has been taken down a notch. There's a reason why United Arab Emirates and Saudi

01:23:00.380 Arabia are warm to Israel because they were worried about Iran and they also want to move forward from

01:23:05.740 this hate. You know, I saw an interesting post by Dominic Cummings that senior people in the UAE

01:23:10.220 say, don't send your kids to London to go to school because they'll come back radicalized.

01:23:16.060 They ban the Muslim Brotherhood in the UAE. Yeah. And like half the people that fought for ISIS were

01:23:22.460 literally from Europe. It was like a training ground. I was in, I went to Iraq. I went to the

01:23:26.940 Nineveh plane. We crowdfunded some money to get some Christians out of there because they were being

01:23:31.580 persecuted by ISIS. And then the, the next Iranian Islamic terrorist group called Hashtal Shabi.

01:23:38.460 So I went over there and I was in this tiny town called, um, oh, I forget it. It's such a tiny,

01:23:44.540 it means house of dirt. Uh, I'm trying to remember how to say that in Arabic.

01:23:50.620 And I went into a church because these were all Christian towns that ISIS had come in and, and

01:23:57.100 spray painted with a stencil on the wall, basically get out, convert or die. Right.

01:24:04.620 And in the church, ISIS had snapped every cross. Like they made a point of breaking every single

01:24:11.100 cross. They went to the cemetery and broke all the crosses there. Here's what shocked me.

01:24:18.700 The graffiti in this church, do you know what language it was in? It was in German. Right.

01:24:25.180 Because the terrorists who had gone to, to, to this, but I forget the name of that town. I can't

01:24:31.660 say it now. We're from Europe. Right. Their first language was German and they had come to build this

01:24:39.660 caliphate. And imagine if Germany and France and England are more radical than the UAE, which is very

01:24:48.780 much true. Jews walk around the UAE. I spoke to a rabbi in Dubai. He says he has more hassle on the streets of

01:24:54.380 New York than in Dubai. How's that even possible? That's what he said. So to answer your question,

01:25:00.380 I think there's hope in the Middle East and, and I'm extremely online too. I get it. But there's more

01:25:06.540 than just the echo chamber. There's reality on the ground. And sometimes, by the way, countries put out

01:25:11.500 statements for political consumption and the Arab states have to tip their hat to Palestine. And of

01:25:18.860 course they're upset by the images of innocents being caught in a war. Of course they are.

01:25:24.620 But they also know, and there's a reason that not a single Arab state has taken Palestinian refugees.

01:25:29.980 There's a reason for that, my friend. And I think that there's a chance with this

01:25:36.700 Trump peace deal to actually have a regional peace.

01:25:38.860 He'll never get a Nobel Prize for it. I hope so. Um, I would just say, you know, it's like when you

01:25:44.060 say like, well, why don't you, you know, why don't you vote, you know, or you're getting your

01:25:47.580 parliaments. It's your people doing it again. I just think there's, there's this institutional

01:25:51.100 push that is driven by organizations like the ADL that I know we don't like, but you know,

01:25:55.180 they couch their, their actions on, you know, being representative of, uh, of Jewish people.

01:26:00.700 So again, I think there's a frustration besides the ADL who says there's well, APAC would be

01:26:05.900 another one that APAC is a, an anti-white organization. Well, tell me one thing they've

01:26:11.180 done. It's anti-white. I'm not an expert of APAC. I'm not a member. Well, again, it's not,

01:26:14.540 it's not that they, well, I'm, I'm sure I could find something, but it's not that necessarily

01:26:19.420 I hate the ADL because they hijack the word Jewish and weaponize it. We agree on that.

01:26:23.900 Yeah. APAC to me is just one of a gazillion lobby groups and packs trying to move legislation in

01:26:32.620 America. I've never heard of them being accused of being anti-white before.

01:26:36.540 Well, again, you, you've got, you know, Thomas Massey saying that everybody's got an APAC handler

01:26:40.460 and, and we see the way that sort of what is like when Benjamin and Yahoo walks into Congress,

01:26:46.700 he gets a standing ovation from both sides of the aisle. Right. So, so it does, it feels like,

01:26:51.100 okay, how can we not, no American president will ever get loyalty from both sides of the aisle, but

01:26:55.980 the Israeli president commands is a loyalty from both sides of the aisle. So, so again,

01:27:00.380 it's not even, it's not even. If Zelensky, has Zelensky ever spoken?

01:27:03.740 Yeah, he probably, he probably would too. Okay. So, and I, again, I'm trying,

01:27:07.180 because, because you're being categorical. No one else. Really? I can think of a few.

01:27:11.180 Well, no, no, I'm, I'm, I'm saying no American president. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

01:27:15.500 I want to tell you something I did when I was a teenager. I actually attended one

01:27:19.020 APAC meeting. I think I was 17. And so I think I know exactly what Thomas Massey's talking about.

01:27:25.260 Can I tell you a little bit about my one visit to an APAC conference? Sure.

01:27:28.860 So I was a teenager and, and I came to Washington. I was very excited. I was a Canadian. So I don't

01:27:33.740 know what I was doing, but I was assigned because I was from Calgary. I was assigned to the group from,

01:27:38.300 I think it was Oregon. So basically you had a couple of thousand Jews coming to Washington to learn

01:27:43.020 about Israel issues. And then they had a lobby day where everyone was directed to the congressman

01:27:50.860 or senator in their region. So if you have a 2000 Jews from across America, okay, you tend to go to

01:27:56.780 this congressman, you go to that one. And one of those people would be, they wouldn't use the word

01:28:01.500 handler. That word is chosen because it sounds like you're a paid minder. There was someone who would

01:28:08.220 sort of volunteer and be, yeah, I'll be the contact. I'll be the one who reminds our congressman that in

01:28:13.900 his district, there's a thousand Jews or to remind him that in his district or people care this way.

01:28:19.100 That's what Massey means by a handler. So it's not, it's not a Mossad.

01:28:23.580 No, I know. It's an American citizen. Yeah.

01:28:27.020 And my memory, it's now 38 years ago when I went as a teenager. And I remember I was with the Oregon

01:28:33.740 delegation for some reason. It was a, it was like a mom or a dad who, they were really excited and

01:28:41.260 a little nervous. And they sort of agreed that once in a while they would send an email. And

01:28:45.500 that's what a handler is. The way Massey talks about it, it's like some Mossad spy.

01:28:50.460 Well, it's, well, it's, but it's also the way APAC talks about, you know, APAC will put up a thing

01:28:53.820 going, you know, 99% of our candidates got, got elected. And why would they say that? Now they could

01:28:58.380 say that cause it's true or they could say that because they're in the fundraising business.

01:29:02.220 And if they look weak or powerless, who's going to give to them? And so, and then one of the

01:29:05.580 But it's not, but it, but it is real, right? I mean, they, they should be reelected without

01:29:09.900 APAC money. Uh, I don't know. You don't know. I don't know. You don't, you think that Ted Cruz

01:29:14.780 is so on the edge that if it weren't for APAC, he wouldn't win. I think he barely squeaked by last

01:29:19.340 time. I put it to you that APAC, like every other fundraising organization is a specialist at asking

01:29:25.260 for money and sounding like a puffer fish bigger than the, I'm not denying that APAC is powerful,

01:29:30.060 but I would also put to you that every other country in the world does this too,

01:29:35.740 including in recent years, Qatar. Well, yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm sure other, other,

01:29:40.540 they also also have to register for FARA, which APAC doesn't register for.

01:29:44.460 APAC are American. Right. Well, I was, I was with a bunch of moms and dads.

01:29:48.900 Yeah. No, I, I get that. But again, it's, it's, it's the fact that like, okay, we have fought like

01:29:55.180 hell we got Trump elected. And then it feels like so much of the effort and the energy and the

01:29:59.660 resources of Trump's second administration have gone towards Israel centric topics. I mean,

01:30:05.820 it has, I mean, you know, yes, they're deporting people, but then you've got this hyper focus on,

01:30:10.720 we're going to, you know, we're going to go through people's social media. And if they're

01:30:13.920 anti-Israel, they aren't going to, you know, get into the country. It's like, that's not for us.

01:30:18.300 Let's pause for a second. Yeah. Have you, have you actually changed the test? The litmus test

01:30:23.800 there anti-Israel? Is that really the test or is it pro Hamas? Because they're different things.

01:30:30.680 Are they? Oh my God, they are. If, if you said I oppose Netanyahu, I oppose Israel, by the way,

01:30:37.440 some Jews would do that. But if you, if you are pro Hamas, pro terrorist, you can be an American of

01:30:43.980 any background and say, you've come to our country and you're supporting proscribed terrorist

01:30:48.660 groups. Get out. That's, I mean, is that a favorite of the Jews? Well, I guess, because Hamas hates

01:30:54.160 the Jews the most, but that's very, it's very different to kick out a supporter of a terrorist

01:30:58.720 group. Then, I mean, well, I, well, I just, I mean, the, the, the, it's not anti-Semitism is support

01:31:04.780 for terrorists. The examples I've seen, I want to see the wording explicit, um, you know, well,

01:31:11.120 but you, you know, you can bend that. You can go, well, you know, they're supporting Hamas because

01:31:14.820 they're protesting for Palestinians and the Palestinians. How about if there was a bunch of,

01:31:18.140 how there were a bunch of foreign students, international students who were full blown

01:31:23.240 anti-black racist and they would burn a cross maybe and wear white hoods, maybe instead of a

01:31:28.540 keffiyeh wear a white hood instead of, you know, chanting from the river to the sea, they were chanting

01:31:34.100 some anti-black thing. If foreign nationals came to America, went to universities and hounded blacks

01:31:41.640 in the manner that these foreign nationals are coming to universities and hounding Jews,

01:31:46.160 you think that those foreign nationals would have their visas stripped by Trump and kicked out? I know

01:31:50.220 they would. Well, but I'd say switch it to white and the answer is no. Well, see, that's where I'd like

01:31:54.800 to differentiate because I agree with you that anti-white bigotry is illegal, should be illegal.

01:32:00.460 And by the way, look at Trump and his appointment. Harmeet Dillon, the head of civil rights,

01:32:05.100 very strong on these issues. I mean, and taking the bad guys to court on these. Don't elide

01:32:10.680 the battle over whiteness, which you've tried to hang around the Jews. And I admit some Jews

01:32:17.120 are anti-white, but, but I think saying AIPAC is an anti-white organization, I think that's a bridge too

01:32:23.600 far. Well, I would just, I would say that. I know the ADL is, but they're awful. They're Obama types.

01:32:28.460 Yeah. Well, I would just say that they, that what AIPAC does is draws a bunch of, again,

01:32:34.040 the resources, energy, effort of our government away from things that actually would benefit or,

01:32:39.500 you know, affect us. Okay. What resources? Other than the 3 billion a year in, in foreign aid to

01:32:44.080 Israel, which is dwarfed by the military. Like, I just can't get over the fact that America still

01:32:48.500 has 40 bases in Germany and 50,000 troops there. Do you think that's less than 3 billion that they

01:32:53.500 give Israel every year? You know, there's still American bases. You know why there's an American base

01:32:57.780 in Cuba? Because America wouldn't let go of that for more than a hundred years ago. Right.

01:33:02.780 The thing about Americans, God bless them. They protect my country. The greatest,

01:33:06.200 greatest freedom force in all of history. America never leaves. Trump wants back airbase again.

01:33:12.320 We're going back to Afghanistan. My point is, you, you really think the 3 billion a year

01:33:16.280 they're giving to Israel is more than they give to, I mean, look at the map. No, no, it's, it's,

01:33:21.800 it's not necessarily about the, about the foreign aid that we, we'll go out to calls. We keep getting

01:33:25.640 distracted. We got to go to calls. We're going to calls on the next time. I promise. Stay on the

01:33:29.800 line. We'll be right there. All right, folks. We actually are going to be joined by another guest,

01:33:33.920 David Pine, in the next hour. So we're not going to do all three hours with Ezra Levant. He is here

01:33:38.740 for the, this final segment. And we thank him so much for giving us so much of his time and, uh,

01:33:43.460 and taking on these, these questions and these issues that so often just get, uh, get bowled over

01:33:47.760 and people get called names and these things never get discussed. I think we need to discuss it

01:33:51.360 for all of our sake. So thank you, Ezra, for, for being here and let's go off to the calls.

01:33:54.940 Terry in Minnesota is next in line. Thank you so much for calling. Thank you for holding. I'm sorry.

01:33:59.560 We're both just rambling on, uh, Terry, you're on the air. Hey, you guys are doing good at rambling.

01:34:05.360 Hey, what do you know? Huh? Um, I got a question for you. I got a question for you, Ezra and, uh,

01:34:12.060 Harrison too, but Ezra for sure. Um, would you say pretty much that this world is basically in

01:34:17.580 confusion in Babylon because there's so much out there that people are basically heads are spinning?

01:34:25.080 Yes, absolutely. I'd say, I mean, when I, especially when I hear the news out of the UK,

01:34:28.420 I mean, it is so, yes, the world is in absolute confusion would be my take. I think, I think,

01:34:34.700 uh, Ezra would probably agree. Yeah. And I think that there was a quantum moment during COVID

01:34:41.120 because so many institutions that we looked up to and trusted broke. And I think it was a

01:34:47.300 shock to many people. Like even the way I deal with my own doctor, I'm a skeptic because I, I,

01:34:52.980 he tried to sell me on a jab. Right. And the lines he used were not medical. They were like political.

01:34:59.440 Right. Where do you get your information from? Facebook, you know, they make billions. Like,

01:35:02.780 I just thought you're treating me like I'm stupid. I actually feel like I know more than you.

01:35:08.540 You're not giving me medical advice. You're giving me political advice that has changed forever.

01:35:12.080 My view, not just of doctors, but of the whole medical system. Yeah. And now multiply that to

01:35:17.020 the media, to professors, to the colleges of physicians and surgeons or whatever they're

01:35:21.360 called down here. Every single check and balance in our democracy failed yours, less so than in

01:35:27.740 Canada. Um, in Canada, they brought in martial law when the truckers had a protest and they

01:35:32.380 stole the bank accounts. It was brutal. Yeah. And so this man is confused. We live in a confused

01:35:38.400 state where we're trying to seek out truth. But then when everything we actually thought, okay,

01:35:42.120 I know these 10 things, I'm safe with these 10 things. Let's go discover the world. No,

01:35:47.560 these are detonating now. Yeah. So that is so alienating. And the problem is we need to trust

01:35:54.140 some things. It's too exhausting to go through life doubting everything. I told Alex that my favorite

01:35:59.140 thing about him was he was an omni skeptic and that he challenges everything and he's not afraid to do so.

01:36:04.180 And he's so important for that role. He's like the leader of the opposition in a way he opposes.

01:36:10.400 And, and once in a while he gets it wrong. So what someone had to oppose just to test it in our

01:36:15.480 system. We, we believe in the clash of ideas, a scientific hypothesis. If fails, come up with a

01:36:20.880 new one. But my worry is in this world where we don't trust anything, do not fill the gap with the

01:36:28.380 universal excuse. Blame the Jews, blame the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, the Jews, the Jews. Don't do

01:36:33.340 that. I'm not here to turn Jew haters into Jew lovers. I'm here to tell people of good faith,

01:36:40.280 be a little bit skeptical when people just blame the Jews. Was it really a Jew? And if he was Jewish,

01:36:45.320 was it in his essence as a Jew or was he, or was it just ancillary that he was Jewish? And do not

01:36:51.060 fall prey to the leftist mindset of blaming others for your own life because it's so easy to do. Do not,

01:36:57.720 for 2000 years, Jews have been blamed. Don't blame them for something they didn't do.

01:37:04.180 Absolutely. A hundred percent. Uh, well, so what, what was your question here? I think, uh, yeah,

01:37:08.440 everybody, everybody is, is mixed up right now. And, and I think you're, I mean, my, my take is

01:37:13.740 actually different. I think embrace, embrace the, uh, uncertainty, just go, you know what,

01:37:18.200 maybe I don't know what the truth is, but I'm going to, you know, pursue what, what I do know.

01:37:22.060 I was talking when all the AI stuff first started coming out and people were making these

01:37:25.540 pictures that were so incredible, but totally fake. My mom said, I just, I'm not gonna be able

01:37:29.480 to trust any pictures I see anymore. And I go, you, have you been, have you been trusting that

01:37:33.320 you shouldn't have been for the last 20 years? You should have been looking at everything

01:37:36.380 a sconce and going, this could be true or could not. I'm going to proceed as if both are possible.

01:37:41.740 So Terry, what, what's your, uh, what, what question were you getting to? I don't think

01:37:44.840 you finished your thought there. Okay, here it is. Buckle up. The Jews of the tribe of Judah have

01:37:53.060 been taking the rap, um, for centuries as to what the Kenites, K-E-N-I-T-E dash T-A-R-E-S,

01:38:02.300 Kenite tares have wrought on this world. Everybody blames the Jews. We are talking about two separate

01:38:09.140 peoples. And I'm, I'm imploring both of you. Uh, and I know there's a King James, a standard King

01:38:15.560 James lying around the, uh, office somewhere. And before Ezra leaves, you track this down.

01:38:20.540 It's the key of David. Um, it's real quick. Listen up. Here it comes. John 842 to 47,

01:38:26.940 Revelation 2, 9, 39, Matthew 24, 30, then jump to, uh, Matthew 13, 24, 30, then jump to 34,

01:38:36.860 43, Genesis 3, 19, 13 to 19, Ezekiel 28, 13, first Chronicles 2, 55, first John 3, 10 and 12.

01:38:47.260 That nails down from God, not me, none of us of what the hell we're talking about here,

01:38:53.260 because the Jews are absolutely getting decimated by these people. God warned of the Kenites since

01:38:59.480 the garden. Okay. And, uh, Kenite just means, uh, uh, it, it's basically, uh, it was a Hebrew,

01:39:05.720 um, the offspring of Cain. And we all know Cain was the first murderer. You know what I'm saying?

01:39:11.800 Did he even have, did he have offspring? So that, uh, very, very interesting question. Thank you for

01:39:15.860 that, Terry. Uh, do you want to respond to that? Should we go on there? You know what? I, I can't say I

01:39:20.060 know what a canine is and I, you know, I've jotted the word down. I didn't jot down all those other

01:39:24.400 paragraphs, but I think that everyone should read and they should read the King James version. It's

01:39:29.600 harder to read, but the way it was written was very important to me. It was political decisions.

01:39:36.160 There was 24 people who, I mean, imagine writing such an important book by committee. It's almost

01:39:40.640 impossible. I mean, cause that was the, the standard version. And, and that is one of the literary

01:39:47.780 is even if you, you don't, even if you're not Jewish or Christian, it's a, it is the key to

01:39:53.200 understanding Western civilization. It's a, it's a masterpiece. And I, I, I was shocked

01:39:57.200 because, you know, you grow up going to church and hearing all the stories. So, you know, them

01:40:00.680 just, you know, almost second nature. But then, you know, probably 10 years ago, I went back and

01:40:04.240 actually read the new Testament for the first time. And it's like, it's so much more human and yet so

01:40:09.260 much more godly than you remember. It's just, the stories are so different than you hear in, in

01:40:13.480 preschool, you know, but that's what gets stuck in your head. So I totally agree. Everybody should,

01:40:17.400 should absolutely read that. And that version, like the King, I mean, it, maybe it's a little

01:40:20.800 hard. There's the new King James, which sort of updates the language, but you want the, it's the

01:40:24.560 history of the West. The history of Christianity is the history of the West. Absolutely. I, I completely

01:40:29.920 agree with that. And 100%. Uh, thanks so much for the call, Terry. Really appreciate that. Let's go

01:40:33.920 to Dan in California next again on a scripture, Dan online for thanks for calling in you're on the air

01:40:39.160 with myself and Ezra Levant. Yeah. Thanks so much for having me guys. Um, I wanted to bring it up.

01:40:45.200 The previous caller made a good comment. So Jesus was from the tribe of Judah. All right. And, uh,

01:40:50.780 so when we, when we call out the Jews, we're not what we shouldn't be calling out the Jews.

01:40:55.340 I mean, John 48 44 says, Jesus confronts the religious leaders and says, you are of your

01:41:04.180 father, the devil, and your will is to be, to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the

01:41:12.520 beginning. Okay. And so, um, we have to recognize that when we start labeling, you know, calling out

01:41:19.420 saying it's the Jews, it's not the Jews, the, the, who does Satan want us to, who does, who does he

01:41:25.900 want to persecute? Well, of course the Jews, because he's, he's everything out of Satan's mouth is a

01:41:32.040 lie. Right. But we also got to remember in judges, the failure to drive the Canaanites out. God says

01:41:42.640 Israel failed to expel the Canaanites and its inhabitants. And this disobedience led to spiritual

01:41:50.500 and moral compromise. So we have to take that into account. And so the, the, the, there is,

01:42:01.040 um, you know, in Matthew 21, it says, therefore I say unto you, the kingdom of God will be taken

01:42:08.660 away from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. So is that the United States? Is

01:42:15.000 that who we are now? I mean, it, because it says that those will be grafted in that are not

01:42:21.580 of the 12 tribes. We are, we are grafted in as Christians. Okay. And so their fulfillment from

01:42:28.840 God for their land has already been fulfilled and we can call, you know, Israel, God can defend

01:42:35.200 Israel anytime he wants. And it says the final battle that what happens is, is that Israel be

01:42:41.280 surrounded and the armies do not come to, to defend it. And God returns at that point.

01:42:47.200 Right. And I think that that's what a lot of, uh, especially the evangelicals sort of look forward

01:42:51.400 to. And, and, you know, it's behind a lot of their support of, uh, Israel, uh, good comments on that.

01:42:55.600 Cause you know, I, if you read the old Testament, it's, it's sort of a constant, you know, there are Jews

01:43:00.920 that are falling out of favor with God and they start worshiping cows and get, get punished. And then

01:43:04.880 there are good people that, you know, uh, get the blessing of the Lord. So, you know, there's a,

01:43:08.860 there's a constant sort of back and forth, uh, throughout the old Testament. Have you ever been

01:43:12.600 to Israel? No. Would you ever go? And I'm not inviting you. I'm just saying, would you ever go?

01:43:17.400 I, yeah, sure. Why not? I think it's, it's an eye opener for people who think about Israel and talk

01:43:22.600 about Israel as you do. And I think the first thing is it's surprising. It's very modern, very

01:43:29.260 multiracial, very multicultural, which I think would surprise people. And you'd be surprised at how

01:43:34.480 many Arabs interact completely peacefully with Jews. Like, I think, I think you would be shocked

01:43:39.060 because the only news you get about the region is bad news. But in Jerusalem, for example, you see

01:43:45.040 Jews, very Orthodox, Muslim women, very Orthodox, and they interact in general peacefully. I think

01:43:52.580 you would be startled by that. You would be fascinated by their technology, their military,

01:43:57.880 um, their fence technology. You know, they, they have a barrier between Arab villages and Jewish

01:44:04.220 villages for security. Something that I think America could profit from learning about. But

01:44:09.120 I think for a Christian person going to the places in the Bible cannot, but be moving, confirming

01:44:19.840 in your faith. And just even for people who are not religious, but just, you know, the stories,

01:44:24.820 it's fascinating. You know, Armageddon, Hebrew, Har Megiddo. There's a place called Megiddo where

01:44:29.340 how many, yeah. And how many levels of civilization ruined upon one of the next. I would encourage any

01:44:36.860 Israel skeptic to go to Israel. And I would say, try and meet with both sides. And I think the, I think

01:44:46.340 it would, I mean, like if you talked about Italy, as much as you talk about Israel and the Jews,

01:44:51.840 wouldn't you think, well, maybe I'm just going to go and check it out. No, I'm not saying you don't

01:44:55.460 know a lot about it. In fact, the opposite. I'm saying, because you do know so much about it.

01:45:00.380 Well, what happened if you went there? And I'm not saying to go in a managed way,

01:45:03.920 but I just think that being there, and especially when we're hearing about, you know, two calls in a

01:45:08.060 row have referred to old texts and what happened thousands of years ago. What would happen if you

01:45:14.540 actually saw evidence of that? And how would you feel about protecting that? And how would you feel

01:45:20.720 about the Christian community in a place like Bethlehem being eradicated? And, and I don't

01:45:26.540 know, I, I think I would recommend anyone go there. You know, Rebel News about eight years ago,

01:45:32.340 we took our staff and we had some skeptics on our staff. And I said, we're going to Israel.

01:45:37.820 We're going to crowdfund it. You have only one rule. You have to, you can say anything you want,

01:45:43.060 but you have to be honest. And, and I thought that was a great, well, we took Gavin McInnes.

01:45:47.820 I don't know if you know who I'm talking about. And, and he prepared by reading an antisemitic book

01:45:53.380 called the culture of critique. And I said, I don't care. Your only rule is that you have to

01:45:59.120 listen to, but where we met with both sides, we met with Jews, we met with Arabs, we went into

01:46:02.860 Ramallah. I said, you just have to, you cannot, if you're impressed, you have to say so. If you're

01:46:08.540 persuaded, you have to say so. That was my one, one request. And I, to this day, he talks about that

01:46:13.300 by the way. And I would say, take the biggest skeptic, go as long as you're going with your

01:46:19.460 eyes open. I don't know. I think it's worth going. Like, wouldn't you say it's worth going if you

01:46:23.580 talk about it, given how much you talk about it?

01:46:26.460 Yeah, it could be. I mean, I don't, I don't really have a negative view of Israel, of the

01:46:31.200 Israeli people or anything.

01:46:32.180 I'm not saying you do.

01:46:33.180 Well, I mean, I'm, you know, I, I, I expect them to be, you know, very multicultural. I mean,

01:46:38.080 I, I almost expect it to be more like America than, uh, than most other places. Is that accurate

01:46:42.400 or not really? Cause it's a different mix, but I mean, just how small it is, how close,

01:46:47.540 like how narrow Israel is where the West bank, like, like it's what 11 miles or something

01:46:53.160 at its narrowest point. Like, like, that's another thing for America, which is a big,

01:46:57.560 mighty country with hundreds of millions of people or, or, or just imagine the death toll

01:47:02.280 of 1200 people killed in a terrorist attack. Well, I mean, what was the biggest attack on America?

01:47:07.200 There was a world trade center and there was Pearl Harbor. Each was about 3000 dead. Okay.

01:47:12.120 Well, Israel has about 10 million people. They had 1200 dead. So multiply that by 30, that would

01:47:16.480 be like 30,000 killed in one day. Like the shock. And, and also, you know what? There's one thing

01:47:22.900 about Israel and you talked about why does Israel get certain treatment and America doesn't on that.

01:47:27.840 I very much agree with you on one particular thing. Israelis have skin in the game. It's not just

01:47:35.440 internet chit chat. They have to go and join there. There's conscription there and they most likely

01:47:40.560 will serve and be in danger. And so you've got to make a decision about your life, right? Is it

01:47:46.040 meaningful? And you know, Israel incredibly is one of the few Western countries that has a positive

01:47:52.300 birth rate, you know, from Italy to Canada, to, to the Scandinavian countries. No one's having

01:47:58.720 babies anymore. How is it that in a country that's in such existential jeopardy, such military threat,

01:48:04.520 they're having more babies. There's something there that I wish Americans would learn. You keep

01:48:08.840 talking about white Americans. Okay. Why is the white American birth rate so low? Now there's some

01:48:13.660 reasons, housing costs, people being demoralized in certain ways, unemployment. You can't get a job

01:48:19.100 to pay the bills. You can't move on. And there's a lot of reasons. I know them,

01:48:22.400 but maybe there's something to learn. How is it that a beleaguered little country has just decided

01:48:28.260 it's going to live? It's just decided that decided it doesn't give a damn. What the UN says decided

01:48:33.520 doesn't give a damn. What alt-right Twitter says decided it's just going to live. There's something

01:48:39.100 that I wish Americans would learn from that. And I think you do too, because you've said it about

01:48:44.200 four times today. Yeah. Why can't we have some of those things? Well, I agree with you,

01:48:48.460 but part of it is like, well, there's, well, there's different, it's different in the political

01:48:53.040 where it's like, we do advocate for these things and then we just get ignored, which is,

01:48:56.620 which is frustrating. And then the personal, cause I was, I think I was saying to you during the break,

01:48:59.540 like one of the things that I've, I've noticed in my life, all of my Jewish friends all got married

01:49:04.340 young. They're all super close with their extended families. They all had tons of kids. And it's like,

01:49:08.560 I don't see my white friends following that same. So there's a lot of stuff about the Jewish

01:49:11.940 community that I'm like, why can we not do this? Why can we not? And, you know, part of it is sort of the,

01:49:17.240 you know, in Israel specifically, like the siege mentality there, when you're under pressure like

01:49:21.680 that, it's good for you. What's going wrong with America is we're too comfortable. And we think

01:49:26.040 everything's going to fine no matter what. And we can just, you know, I'll put off getting married

01:49:30.080 till I'm 45 and then I'll have kids. And it's like, it doesn't work that way. You gotta, you gotta

01:49:33.800 have your, have your head in the game. And I think Jews do a very good job of, of pressuring other

01:49:39.020 Jews of like, Hey, you know, you gotta, you, that's the cliche there, you know, dentists and lawyers

01:49:44.820 and all that, because it's like, Hey, you gotta contribute. You gotta be somebody,

01:49:48.160 you know, for yourself, but for all of us, I think there's this collective, uh, really good

01:49:53.280 mentality of like, we're all in this together. You know, we have to survive and, and we can't,

01:49:58.560 you know, we can't just be lackadaisical because, you know, we're sort of a siege mentality. Would

01:50:03.720 you agree with that? I, there's a lot to talk about there and I agree with a lot of it. And,

01:50:07.740 but instead of taking five minutes to give you my thoughts, I'd like to go to the calls.

01:50:10.340 Thank you. Thank you very much for the call, Dan. I'm sorry. This is, I'm a, it's a really

01:50:14.700 fun conversation. I got something I was going to say, but let's take more. Mark, Mark from San

01:50:18.160 Jose. Uh, thank you for calling in Stu Peters debate with Alex. And again, I'm, I'm just picking

01:50:22.700 whoever was here first. So the topics are random. Mark, uh, you're on the air. Thanks for calling in.

01:50:27.940 Well, thank you for taking my call. I have the utmost respect for both you guys. I love that

01:50:32.680 interview with Borla. Thank you very much. How would I say? And, uh, I would encourage people to get

01:50:38.780 the shirts, you know, the rebel news info wars, go to the city councils and supervisors and,

01:50:43.120 you know, Canada and here and, you know, give them a comment. Okay. Now in regards to Stu Peters,

01:50:49.060 uh, I also respect him. He calls himself the walking lie detective test. And I, uh, I think there's

01:50:56.440 been some miscommunication. I don't think he's lied and I don't think Alex has lied. Uh, there's been

01:51:01.920 some real miscommunication. So if you would publicly say, Stu, you can call in, but you know,

01:51:07.460 it's limited, maybe you could make two minutes a piece, five minutes a piece, whatever you,

01:51:12.580 you wish. And then, you know, we could, you could answer his statements or you can ignore them and

01:51:18.660 vice versa. But I would love to see Stu Peters on the Ezra Levant show and rebel news and on info

01:51:25.580 wars and, you know, different platforms. Cause I, you know, there's a lot of us listening that do

01:51:30.880 respect all four of you guys, even though, you know, there's some, uh, disagreements.

01:51:36.160 Well, I'll say when it comes to Stu Peters, I like every time he says stuff online, that's,

01:51:40.380 uh, cause he'll say, Oh, the, the info wars hosts told me I couldn't go on. And I just say to him,

01:51:45.160 you're lying. That's a lie. Stop saying that. Stop lying about this. You're lying. I got no beef

01:51:49.920 with Stu Peters other than just, that's a lie. So he shouldn't say it. I mean, I've been, I've been on

01:51:53.700 Stu Peters show, but, um, but yeah, he's, you know, like I was saying, he's the one that,

01:51:57.700 I mean, he's got a warped view. And so I disagree with him and I go on a show and tell him that,

01:52:01.120 uh, would you ever have Stu Peters on Ezra? I got to know him a tiny bit before this whole

01:52:06.120 Israel thing became his bread and butter. And it was actually about a trucker case. Um, sorry,

01:52:10.500 sorry, but a COVID type case. And, and I, I'm not looking to pick a fight here, but my experience

01:52:15.980 is the same one you just described. Look, there's some people who I'm with whom a debate. I don't know

01:52:21.840 if it's going to be successful. And the reason I said, Hey Alex, I got a few things on my

01:52:27.680 mind. You might've come down and just bent is cause I know that, that info wars viewers are

01:52:34.440 thoughtful. They know why they believe things. They're open to new information. And they're also

01:52:40.460 alive to the fact that people are, there's a battle on for your mind is the same. And so I feel like

01:52:46.500 it's a good faith audience. And even if they don't agree with me, they're going to give me a hearing.

01:52:50.960 And if I say, look, look in your own heart, please don't do the leftist move of collective

01:52:55.500 judgment of Jews. Please don't use anti-Semitism as an excuse, excuse ology. I feel like I've got

01:53:01.920 a chance of those getting through. Not every audience is that way. Um, I don't know. I, I,

01:53:08.660 I personally don't think it would profit me to interact with them.

01:53:12.380 He's commenting on us. He's probably watching right now. How you doing, Stu? Uh, welcome.

01:53:15.600 Welcome to the show. Uh, thank you for the call, Mark. Let's go to Dr. Mike in Houston,

01:53:20.860 Dr. Mike in my hometown. Thanks for calling in Dr. Mike. You're on the air.

01:53:25.320 Hi, Harrison. Uh, and, uh, uh, Mr. LeVon, I, um, was wondering that you have a, uh, uh, uh,

01:53:34.860 co-national, I guess, for lack of a better word, uh, uh, in, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, an author,

01:53:42.700 uh, that's, uh, Henry Macow. I'm probably mispronouncing his name, but he's, he's a Polish,

01:53:48.160 uh, of Polish extraction. He's a Jew, uh, uh, just an ethnic Jew. He's written four books,

01:53:54.640 uh, the most recent of which is Illuminati 4, which was, uh, um, I read the first three books.

01:54:00.920 They were, they were great. Uh, but this one was, uh, just startling. Uh, it came out in January.

01:54:07.300 He makes the claim that, uh, uh, Chabad is moving this, this extremist, uh, ultra-Orthodox, uh,

01:54:15.160 uh, clique of Jews, uh, out of, uh, uh, the synagogue in New York City. And they have,

01:54:22.380 they have similar organizations across the nation and across the world. But, but this organization

01:54:28.880 is pushing the world towards a, uh, a nuclear Armageddon, uh, in the hopes of exterminating

01:54:36.020 all Gentiles or as many as possible to bring about the, what they consider the, the, uh,

01:54:42.520 the real Messiah, Mashiach. Um, and, uh, uh, uh, you know, this is, uh, uh, this is their,

01:54:51.200 their, uh, intent. And they, they, he claims that they have a important or critical window

01:54:57.060 between Rosh Hashanah 2027 and Rosh Hashanah 2028 in which this all must be accomplished. And I,

01:55:04.580 I looked at these weird, uh, reversals of, of Trump, uh, whom he claims again is a member of Chabad,

01:55:11.000 uh, kind of a quiet, uh, uh, interesting. So you're seeing, you're seeing things move towards

01:55:17.320 that eventuality. I'm sorry, we're running out of time here in the, this is our last segment with

01:55:20.360 Ezra. So I want to get his comment on that. Chabad Lubavitch, what's your, I know Chabad. Um,

01:55:26.340 I've known them my whole life. They're basically evangelical Jews, but not, not towards Gentiles,

01:55:34.000 towards getting existing Jews to maybe raise their observance level. That's the thing about Jews.

01:55:39.620 They don't try and convert people to Judaism, but rabbis like Chabad try and say, come on,

01:55:45.320 light those Sabbath candles. Come on, keep a little kosher. Like they're sort of nagging you

01:55:50.380 in a very friendly way to, to boost your Judaism. Uh, they're, they're big in a charity. They're sort

01:55:56.060 of, sort of like the Mormon missionaries. Like they, they, they go far away. Like they'll,

01:56:00.580 there's Chabad in Dubai. There's Chabad in Beijing. Like in the strangest places you'll find these

01:56:05.700 folks. I have been dealing with Chabad. I saw Chabad rabbi a week ago in Calgary, Alberta.

01:56:12.560 I have been dealing with these people for 35 years. I have never once heard anything political

01:56:20.280 or in the manner you just described. Now I'm not, listen, I don't know what every Chabad rabbi in

01:56:26.400 the world. Listen, they, they love, they love coming together and, you know, giving an award.

01:56:31.840 And of course, and I mean, who, everybody loves to have their president, a picture taken with

01:56:36.020 president, how you describe Chabad. And I know you're not saying it, you're repeating how Henry

01:56:41.220 make out describes it. I'm going to guess he's never met a Chabad rabbi or gone to Chabad house.

01:56:46.700 These, they're called Chabad house. It's basically, if I were to go to Hong Kong today,

01:56:50.040 I could go there and get a hot meal and the rabbi would pressure me to say a prayer or something.

01:56:56.860 They are not what was just described. They're just not. And maybe Henry Macau knows other things,

01:57:04.380 but I'm going to guess that he's never actually met a Chabad rabbi or gone to a Chabad house.

01:57:08.340 Cause what he's described, it's just not, it's just not how it is. Right. And, and on the other,

01:57:14.080 when I was doing Alex's show, someone quoted Stu Peters and said, goy means cattle. No,

01:57:20.040 like there's a hundred little things like that, that I, that, you know,

01:57:24.480 try catching these rumors and swatting them down. And I'm not saying Jews are perfect and

01:57:28.500 everything's a happy answer, but, but this little story about Chabad and the little story about what

01:57:33.600 going means, those are just, it's just, it's got to be frustrating. You know what I say? I say this to

01:57:41.140 my staff and I don't know. We're almost out of time. I say this to my staff about conspiracy theories.

01:57:45.420 The world is crazy enough. You don't need to make stuff up. You don't need to make stuff up.

01:57:49.500 That's why we don't. We always just tell the truth. And then people think we're crazy

01:57:52.880 cause the world is so crazy. Ezra, Ezra LaVon. Thank you so much for joining us. This has been

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Rebel News Podcast - October 01, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Ezra talks Gaza, antisemitism with Infowars

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